8-45. The GOAT Pokemon Card

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My name is Riley Holbert, joined as always by my good, good friends Mr. Andrew Mahone and Mr. J.W. crewal. And folks, we have a banger cooked up for you today. We're going to be diving in to some of the biggest, best Pokemon cards of all time. A real hall of Fame episode ahead here, so we're going to be divvying it up. We're going to start with the Pokemon. Then we'll talk more about trainers and energies to round out the cast. Knowing us, we could ramble forever about just the Pokemon. That may well just happen. Be mentally prepared for that, but I'm excited to dive into it. That said, before we do, how you guys doing? Chilling, bro. It was a little bit of a rough day at the office not gonna lie because my studio flooded again. How does the upstairs flood? You're upstairs? Yes. Well, listen and you will learn how. Full grip. And my studio occupies a 100 year old building on Market street in Downtown Akron. And there is some mortar work on the back of the building that has some need for repair. So during extremely heavy rains, the kind that would send water cascading down the side of a building or something, there has been some leakage that will get into my studio and also the shop downstairs, like the player space in the shop. So it's not just hitting me, it's also hitting like, you know, the store. So it's a problem for sure because it's happened now like a couple of times real bad to where there was like massive pileups of like water, you know, lots of water damage to things. Like I lost all my merch last time. It happened a couple weeks ago. Yu-Gi-Oh like hundreds of dollars worth of T shirts and stuff. Like just completely ruined. Play mats ruined. I had like a whole stack of play mats on a shelf over there. Just like the whole thing ruined from like just the grossest grody water, you know, coming through the walls. 100 year old walls already. Rainwater and then seeping through the walls. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Not great. And Yu-Gi-Oh so it's kind of, you know, the aesthetics of my studio are fantastic because there is like an exposed brick wall on one long side of it that is like very cool and rustic looking and like definitely is like kind of a grungy vibe that like, is dope. But then like on the downside of it, like, Yu-Gi-Oh that wall needs some work. So I mean, we, we had a roof guy come out like a couple weeks ago during the first bad flood. And like, so like the roof is being worked on like actively and a mortar person is coming out. Like we were literally on the schedule with a mortar person and it just happened again is the thing. So like. Yu-Gi-Oh so, so now we're like, we're on the schedule, you know, to get mortar side of the wall patched up. It's just like a, a waiting game right now. There have been like a couple of really bad torrential pours like in the last couple weeks that never seen in Akron the entire time I've been living here. And it just, I guess tested the wall in a way that it had not been tested all year so far. Well, with mortar and stuff too. I'm sure as water seeps through, it just makes it even worse too. So it's more permeable for the next Time. Yu-Gi-Oh Not good. No. Unfortunate. So I got a little wet, vacked, and mopped. But, like, my stuff is like that. Like, thankfully, I know not to keep anything, like, very valuable against the wall. Just stuff that, like, is being stored there. And it's annoying that it's getting ruined, but, like, you know, it's not life or death stuff. And my equipment is not against the wall, thankfully. So, like, there's no technological stuff over there that could get rained on. So does it, like. Does it, like, pile up and there's, like, a pool of water or is it just, like, the side is, like, all wet, you know, so, Yu-Gi-Oh it definitely pools up. It looks like there's just giant puddles, like, in the studio. Like, I'd say, like, there were, like, four giant, like, pools of water in my studio that I had to, like, get up with a wet vacation. And. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, just throughout the entire length of the thing, it just, like these. Matt. Yu-Gi-Oh So wet vac. Dumping it, you know, out the fire escape multiple times. You know, I took me hours, I mean, hours to, like, clean this up right after having just done it. Well, like, thankfully, like, Natalie and Heather shouts to them. I was actually away. It was the weekend. Yu-Gi-Oh I was. I was away. It was like, a few weeks. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Like a few weeks ago. And I was out of town for the weekend, and Natalie and Heather kind of were talking to me and were like, Yu-Gi-Oh your studio is absolutely jacked. And they were cleaning it up. So I knew that it had happened, but I hadn't experienced it. This is my first time on the ground experiencing it. I had to put everything back together before, but now I'm like, I actually had to do the cleanup, and we'll have to put it all back together. Yu-Gi-Oh it's so it's tough. And then, you know, you probably have a smell that hangs around, like. I have been in part of a couple of notable floods in my day. Yu-Gi-Oh About every seven years, so I think I'm due for another. Every seven years. That's crazy. Precise metric. Yu-Gi-Oh The worst weekend of my life involved a flooding of my room. That's a longer story for another podcast. And then obviously, the. The moist shuffle video came out of a flood. Oh, you're right. Yu-Gi-Oh I forgot that. I forgot about the origins of that. Dang, you're. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh You have experienced some floods. Yu-Gi-Oh So there's. There's another one. It's. It's almost. Yu-Gi-Oh I'd say 20, 27. It's probably going to involve a flood you're new, dude. If y' all haven't watched Moist Shuffle, you need to. You need to, after this podcast, go watch Moist Shuffle. I'll put a pinned comment with the moisture level. Yu-Gi-Oh we'll definitely remember to do this. And we will. Very good. Very good. Riley, how are you doing, man? Oh, I'm good. You staying dry? No floods for me. We did have that one scare a couple weeks ago with the washing machine, but I think it's actually just not a problem. And maybe we just overloaded it one time or something, so that's all fine. But it's a very busy chapter of my life. Right. There's a lot going on for work. We're getting married in just over a month. Got some stuff to take care of in the house before the wedding because we're having guests. We're staying, like, two days before the wedding. Jill's family is staying with us, so there's some things we want to get done before her family comes. There's a lot of stuff kind of up in the air and happening all at once in our lives right now, but it's going to make for an extremely relaxing honeymoon after, I think, just being able to put all that behind us. Love that. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh so that's me. Yu-Gi-Oh it's been good. That said, we got plenty to talk about for sure, so I would love to start to dive in. Before we do, though, I think the best time to hit the mailbag is honestly going to be right now. So what do we think? Want to hit the bag? Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's get into it. Yu-Gi-Oh there's going to be a lot to talk about over the course of the cast. Nostalgic Joe says almost every time the podcast starts, it looks like Andrew just lost to pulse again, bro. Andrew's not losing to Pult. He's cooking people with Paul. That's Cracked Ice The lifelessness in my eyes is because I am so tired of cooking. People with pulse. Have a lot of sock accounts. Commenting, proud connection to JW on LinkedIn. Thank you so much. I do just want to give our listeners an Update on my LinkedIn influencer journey. I'm @471 connections. I do have over 500 followers, but it is important, of course, to have over 500 connections. After 500, I don't think that's a metric that's really tracked all that much. So just for the Yu-Gi-Oh sake and LinkedIn, 500+ is the number that I need to hit. So roughly about 30 more followers. So feel free to keep sending those, those LinkedIn connections my way. Happy to add you and have a little discussion in the little professional discourse. That's right. I usually just say, hey, thank you so much for the follow. Welcome to the hashtag network. Glad to connect the hashtag network. That's crazy. So Yu-Gi-Oh all the SOC accounts that have sent DMs can confirm. All right, well, while you are shamelessly plugging, I am going to shamelessly plug. Dude. Okay. The race on cubecoga.net between Chaos Cube and Noah's Ark is literally neck and neck. I actually was the number one Cube on Cube Koga, the Noah's Ark Cube, for like a couple of days. And then Chaos Cube overtook me again by like 2 likes like earlier today, who did it and I who was, who was raising the army for the. I just pulled it back up and Chaos Cube and Noah's Ark are both tied at 110 likes a piece. Oh my goodness. Yes. Dude, it's intense. It's an intense race. Yes. So that's crazy. Yu-Gi-Oh that's crazy. You could break the tie. You could be the one. Dear listener, it's neck and neck. Your vote counts. It does if you're in line. Stay in line. Yu-Gi-Oh Pokemon go to the polls. That's so crazy. I was literally just pulling that up as you were talking about it because I'm like, I wonder where our other like Shameless plugs are going right now. They're going pretty well, I guess. All glory says jw, Put the grim down. Just go full Toucan and trust. I do have a broken Toucanon list. Andrew and I are going to be testing that this week. So I appreciate that Toucanon might be legit for Worlds. I'm just saying I'm going to call my shot right now. Once I top four with it, I'm going to look like a genius. But I just got to see if it can. If it can be Dragapult. This is one little thing. Yu-Gi-Oh Cast a tying vote for Noah's Ark. Coffeemancer says. There you go. Another plug for Andrew's Cube. Did you see this? Did you see this comment right here? Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh go ahead and read it. People say that Andrew Hedrick reinvented Polk Hammers, but my research shows that Andrew Mahone did on 818 the Azuki arc Aftermath and then time stamped it 26, 27 episodes ago now. Yes. Yu-Gi-Oh huh. And the clip is me saying that all of the Dragapult lists have been hammered out. That's awesome. That was a crazy. Crazy. That was a good pull. That was a good pull by. That was a good pull. Good pull. Shout out to that one. That one was pretty funny. That was really funny. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh So I did invent Hammerpole. That's crazy. That is pretty wild. Basically invented it. Yu-Gi-Oh I basically invented Hammerpole. Yu-Gi-Oh And there's proof. And there's. And there's proof. So. Yu-Gi-Oh All right, well, let's get into it. Let's kind of outlay what we're going to be talking about for the majority of the episode. Like this is a best of episode. We're trying to discern amongst the talking heads on this podcast what the best Pokemon card of all time is. Now, that might mean different things to different people, right? It might mean a sustained period of dominance. It might mean the card got, you know, reprinted multiple times. It might mean that it was, you know, would be good in, in current format and prior formats. It might mean different things. But basically what we're trying to do here and what we're going to be debating is just that, the best Pokemon card of all time. Now it Lowes Faster Quotes start at the Lowe's Pro Desk. Got a material list handwritten on a sticky note or saved as a photo? Perfect. 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And you're going to have to ask me which one. All right. Gardevoir. Okay. That's a good one, right? That's a good one. Or ex. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh There's two real Contenders or GEOs. You don't think the GX. I don't think Gardevoir GX no ranks amongst the world winning card doesn't just winning World cup does not mean you're the goat. Otherwise. Otherwise. Are we putting like Hisuian to Sidra in this conversation? No. Be so for real Flying Pikachu. They played in the same deck. Okay, Gardevoir, I'm ready. I'm ready to listen to arguments. Gardevoir from Secret Wonders was a card that like immediately pinged to me as the best card of all time. And it is a world championship dominating card. It one-of-one in 2008 with also many other top eight finishes at that event, and then also went on to get second place at the 2010 World Championships as well, and so dominated on the world stage. And to me, what makes this card the greatest card of all time is its ability and attack combination. The Telepass Poke of Power says once during your turn, you may search your opponent's discard pile for a supporter card and use the effect of that card as the effect of this power. So you are just constantly able to double support her because you can play your own supporter and then you can play a supporter out of your opponent's discard pile. So you got such an insane like card advantage from being able to double supporter every turn that this thing is in play. You can also punish your opponent because if they played a judge, then you are permanently setting their hand to four cards every turn, which is very detrimental. So you could use this in a way to benefit your own board by copying a setup supporter or a draw supporter. Or you could use it to disrupt your Opponent. A lot of decks played judge and if your opponent played a judge, that just meant that you could just, you know, set them to four. Very good. And you're doing this while using an extremely powerful attack. Psychic lock for a psychic and two colorless energy does 60 damage and makes it so your opponent can't use any poke powers next turn. So it's ability lock and it does enough damage for the format to be two hit KO ing most things, which is like where you want to be. And its poke power is a consistency ability, it's a disruptive ability, is one of the most powerful abilities that I've ever seen on a card. So this to me is kind of like perfectly encompasses like a goat card. Yu-Gi-Oh Gardevoir. Talk about beloved Pokemon by the game designers. Basically every era of the game's history, it feels like, has had some playable Gardevoir card, which is quite impressive. Telepass jumped to mind for me as well as certainly one of those cards. I really think it is Telepass itself that escalates this into like candidacy. Like Psychic lock is good for sure and it was really good in the context of the format. But Telepaths, you could slap that on any stage two ever. And that's like always a busted ability. Like I think we could all agree on that. Just being able to take advantage of those supporters. Like imagine having something like that in a Guzma era, right. Where you're just playing. I'm trying to think about the most recent comparable effect because we really have not even like one to one. No, I would say Smeargle. Right. That would be the, you know, modern. The thing is, any effect that interacts with the discard Blue Ice always better than Dipper hand. Right. By a significant margin. So like Telepath, it's not a one to one, obviously, but Yu-Gi-Oh that's like the closest. The closest also Smeargle. That's right. Gardevoir works from the bench. True. Yu-Gi-Oh true. And. And Smeargle, you had to use a supporter out of your opponent's hand. So if they show you Juniper. That's true, you know, and if you didn't want a juniper, like you needed a pawn and you got a Juniper, you're like, well, looks like I'm discarding and going 7. Whereas telepass is always a choice. So like. That's true. And you're choosing. Exactly. It's always a fully informed choice. Yes. Yu-Gi-Oh So like they're. To me, those are not close. I would say it's like comparable insofar as like you could take one of your opponent's supporters effects. But Yu-Gi-Oh Telepass is just leagues leagues better. And that's it is on stage two as well. So that makes sense as opposed to basic. Yep, yep. Is so broken. Definitely. Definitely. Huge, huge Aurora card for sure. And it did. Gardevoir did have a really impressive run over its lifespan. From 2008 all the way through 2010. This card was showing up winning tournaments Left and right. U.S. nationals World Championships. I. You mentioned which one? I would assume referring to it slash. You mentioned Gardevoir Ex, which I feel like is another card that's worth talking about. To be fair, my Gardevoir Ex made my list for cards to talk about today. Primarily because of what I was saying a minute ago of the modern guard of Rex. I was gonna say not this one, dude. Like what are you on jw? Holy crap. Dude. Oh Yu-Gi-Oh I got it. No lowercase, lowercase X. I actually wrote it that way in my notes. Even to disambiguate here. Yes. Garland Gardevoir. Yes. From Scarlet and Violet is just yes, yes, yes, yes. Insane to me. And so like all the good things that you just said about Gardevoir telepaths, Gardevoir, a lot of them fundamentally are still true. You got a broken ability, you got a solid attack. And just like everything on this card reads good, right? Like Psychic Embrace takes advantage of the discard pile, which has always been one of the most reliable forms of energy acceleration has been those discard pile suckers, you know, your eels, your Malamars, all those sorts of guys, your blazikens, even from back in the day, your Typhlosians. This is unlimited numbers of attachments. In that way, every single turn, every single psychic card that got printed since Gardevoir came out immediately entered like a viability conversation just because of how good Gardevoir was. Cards that we have never seen again since Gardevoir rotated were extremely, extremely good. In tandem with Gardevoir, people are talking about Monkey Dory as being one of the best cards of all time. But what card enabled Monkey Dory harder than Gardevoir? Right? Like Gardevoir put the damage right on the board for you and then you can move it right back. Every single psychic attacker is now viable. Anything that takes advantage of damage counters on your own Pokemon is now viable. And it's also just 310 hit point Pokemon that can hit for 190 good stat. Like it's just a solid attacker. It's got a good stat line when you Talk about dominance. Garvar Ex also had an insane level of dominance over its entire lifespan from the moment it was printed up until it rotated. It was winning tournaments, it was winning national championships. It's just unbelievable to me that this card, like, exists. As soon as we saw it too, we knew it was going to be broken. The unlimited psychic embrace attachments, every single turn is just so insane. You can't trap anything in the active if it's a psychic type, because they can always retreat. It just absolutely bonkers to me in terms of just Prizm money. Like, this card obviously has blown everything out of the water. That's not a fair comparison because many decks didn't exist in either the scale or existence of Prizm money. But over one and a half million dollars one-of-one by this card. Mind you, like, a huge chunk of all the money Pokemon has ever awarded is. Yu-Gi-Oh shored up by this card alone. Just completely bonkers. Yu-Gi-Oh absolutely. Broken card. This was one that I was considering. But I think one thing that it does well, that I kind of used to frame my greatest Pokemon card of all time, is whether or not it would span generations. I think this card does, right? I think this is. Would always be even if, you know, Pokemon HP scales to like, 500 or 600 HP, like, I think Gardevoir would still exist. However, I think a knock against it is that it does exist somewhat in a vacuum. Right. You need the other counterparts, like Wood. Gardevoir ex have earned 1.5 million. If it didn't have Scream Tail, you know, would it have done as well if it didn't have Monkey Dory, if it didn't have Drifloon, if it didn't have all these other secondary attackers to play alongside of it? Because, as we've always said on the cast, Gardevoir Ex was, you know, as a deck, the best one Prizm deck in the format, right? Because you got all these little guys that can do pretty incredible stuff. So does it exist as the best card in a vacuum? I. I don't necessarily see it. So my counterpoint to that, though, is that, Yu-Gi-Oh Scream Tail is obviously, like, freaking busted, right? Like, Scream Tail was uniquely good, but there's always like a churn of new cards coming out, right. In a 500 HP format, you think there wouldn't be like, 500, like, things that could deal with that on basic and stage one stat lines. So, like, Yu-Gi-Oh it doesn't exist. Gardevoir, like, can't fully exist in a vacuum, but a vacuum doesn't exist either, you know, like Gardevoir will always be contextualized by cards around it. And psychic is the most beloved type in the Pokemon trading card game. So there'll always be good broken cards that it's going to be able to accelerate onto. Yu-Gi-Oh I kind of disagree fundamentally with JW's concept that a card needs to be good like forever, eternally, in order to be in contention for the greatest card of all time. I think that that's just not. No, I don't think so. To me, it's like how much, well, how much impact the card has had on the game. I would say, like if a card completely changes the direction of a game or completely dominates in a way that had not ever been dominated, the game had not been dominated before. Take a card like Mewtwo Ex. For me, that's on my list right now. Mewtwo Ex from Next Destinies completely changed the trajectory of the Pokemon trading card game. It was the highest skip up in power creep that the game had ever seen at the time and kind of set the precedent for what the new normal would become in the Pokemon TCG for the next, you know, decades to come. And that card is not a card that is even remotely decent anymore. But it kind of changed it seismically. Like changed the Pokemon TCG in a way that it will never be what it was before Mewtwo Ex came out. So to me, the greatest card of all time absolutely does not have to be forever good. Cards that are forever good. You know, maybe utility cards, support cards, things like that. Right. Trainer cards can be like forever good. But for me, Pokemon are a little bit different. And I think like, if you look at the stat line of Gardevoir from Secret Wonders in context with what it was doing then, and you designed a similarly like a similar card for the context of what existed in Standard right now, you would have an equally dominant card just conceptually an ability locking Pokemon with a respectful amount of hit points. That's two hit koing things and doubling up your supporters return, like that card is also completely insane, is it not? Yu-Gi-Oh So. So to me, you know, or if you released a card like Mewtwo Ex that had like X ball, but its multiplier was 60, right. And it was a 400 hit point basic. Nothing will sounds a little too close to nothing. Nothing will ever be the same after this new Pokemon comes out. Right? And we're laughing about it. We're laughing about it right now because that's how silly Mewtwo Ex was, dude. Well, I actually, I think I don't think that's the premier card of that era. I think it's actually Darkrai Ex. Right. And so I'm actually agree on Darkrai. Mewtwo is what brought the game in that direction. Right? Sure, sure. But I think the goat certainly of that era, like without it out, hands down, like we're talking go cards. Yes. Mewtwo changed the trajectory 100 agree with you, Andrew, on that. But I don't think that's, you know, the defining card of that era. Not by a long shot. I think that goes to Darkrai very easily, actually. Three world champions. Mewtwo. But Mewtwo is the Goat. That card? No, I think Dark Goat, unfortunately. I just feel like there's different factors that we're weighing differently too though. Like beyond even just the debate of it all, there's what Andrew's saying about sort of like influence on direction of the game. There's power level within the format, there's power level in a vacuum. And any of those metrics are in my opinion valid for the purposes of argumentation, but everyone's going to Yu-Gi-Oh them a little differently. So for me, Gardevoir has the most extreme power level of the cards that we've talked about so far. I think in the context of its format. Yu-Gi-Oh And I think this card would always be successful in any format if there was a. Even as the same print, it would be successful in any format ever. Like going forward too. So to me, that's why Gardevoir Ex sticks out is just like you could take this exact card, print it in five years. There's some good psychic type Pokemon that now is now viable deck. Okay. So no, I. I want. I want. I want this one now. What do you want to say, Andrew? But I do want the next card. That's fine. I was gonna say Shaman Ex. Okay. I. I think that's him. I think that's a mistake as well. But what about. What about Shame and. Yu-Gi-Oh well, because the thing. Well, because I think that you gotta. You gotta look back. Is also a card that would like, almost be forever. Good. But why are we talking about Shame and Ex when a precursor is better in multiple ways. Right. Uxie is the. But that's where the context matters a lot to me. It does. See? No, but that's just a Goat card. What are we talking about? That would be good now. That would be good back then. I don't think we need to talk more. The context of the format matters more to you than just like. But that's not the best card of all time, dude. Yes, dude. That's not what makes it the best card of all time, I don't think. Really? Okay, like, so. Okay, so here, let me. Well, no, I was gonna say I. I will start Oxy. Well, no, no, that wasn't the one that I was gonna bring up next. But it is, you know, it is on the list. I was gonna say Oksy. So I had kind of this debate, but I think when you're also looking at greatest cards of all time, I want to see how they have changed and potentially nerfed that, you know, ability attack archetype, you know, idea as they've, you know, reprinted the card. So in the case of Uxie, that's a single Prizm Pokemon that drew your hand up to seven. And that was very highly played in its format. Maybe not as comparable to something like Shaman Ex, because you had like, you know, decks like Mega Ray and Seismitoad that maybe played inflated counts, but you're playing at least one Oxy in most of the decks, maybe two, possibly even, you know, three or four if you're playing something like Palkia. And so you look at what they did with that ability moving forward or that poker power moving forward, and it got nerfed significantly. You look at Shaman Ex, okay, that only draws up to six, and it's on a two prizer that only had roughly half of the HP of comparable two Prizm Pokemon of its time. And then you look at even further down the line, they nerfed it even more with Crobat V where it only drew up to six on a two prizer and you could only use it once per turn. So I do agree with you that this ability is good. You know, that this concept of a card is good. But I think Shaman is the midpoint of that. The goat is Uxie. You see, I. I Yu-Gi-Oh Shaman over Uxie personally, because Shaman's got those bands. Shaman's racked up bands like Crazy and Booksie's not legal. Well, also, I mean, Yu-Gi-Oh but like, Shaymin was the card that was there and like racked up those dubs and made that stuff happen. And so I guess for me, it's like the. The combo of both, like, the effect of the card as well as the impact specifically that that card had that makes it stand out. So, like, for. I think there's a very similar argument to be made for Shaymin overall. Right. It's broken to be able to refill your hand. Shaymin had existed in a time with heavy discarding that made that effect even More powerful and there was just more abundance of like Pokemon grabbing and like the speeds of the turns were accelerated. Like the fact you were able to pull off those heavy Shaman turns with lots of decks. Like even though Shaman was drawing less cards, it was more powerful in the context of its format, in my opinion. Which elevates Shaman above uxie in the context of this conversation. Yes. And the reason why Riley is correct there is because the game was operating with more powerful turns. There were less turns happening in a game when Shaman was released as compared to uxie. So every single turn was a higher impact turn than during single turns in uxie's time. So UXIE was having a smaller impact on the game in total because UXIE would fill your hand to seven, one out of what, a dozen to 15 turns that took place in a game. Whereas Shaman is filling your hand power sprayed rip. Yu-Gi-Oh Shaman is filling your hand to six, sometimes three times in a single turn. Why stop at three? A single turn? Yu-Gi-Oh Way more Zebra Scoop up. Yu-Gi-Oh I get three, I get four. Yu-Gi-Oh You know, play a Force Shame and whatever. Skyfield. Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Why not give me a scoop, give me six or seven and then. Well that's one of the things that like, you know, Shaman and Scoop Up Net. Like those cards were not compatible. Right. So there was a bunch of bands that had to happen. Yu-Gi-Oh So Shaman just can have a higher impact on the game in general than Oxy because you are able to use it in higher impact ways during the format that it existed. And I think a similar argument comes up when like in a different kind of way when we start thinking about trainers because I'm sure we will eventually start talking about like versus Seeker. Right. And you're probably. Jw, I'm going to catch you right here because you probably think Versase Seeker is one of the strongest trainers of all time. You probably do. I don't have it on my list, but you don't have. But if we were talking about Versus Seeker with only the concept of it before its Phantom Forces printing, then it wouldn't even be in the conversation. As one of the strongest items of all time. Right. Because previously it was just an okay card that maybe some decks played a one as a one of. But as the power level of the game changed, Versus Seeker became a dominant card that almost every deck was playing four of. And it's because of the context. So to me context is everything. That's why it matters for the Pokemon. Now it Lowe's faster quotes start at the Lowes Pro desk. Got A material list handwritten on a sticky note or saved as a photo. Perfect. Bring it to us and get a quote in minutes. And if you don't see what you need on the shelf, we'll help you get it. 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Side effects may include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue and headache. Allergic reactions can include rash, welts, asthma symptoms and dizziness. Don't receive Botox if there's a skin infection. Tell your doctor your mother, medical history, Mosaic or nerve conditions including als, Lou Gehrig's disease, Myasthenia gravis or Lambert Eaton syndrome and medications including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. Why wait? Ask your doctor, visit botoxchronicmigraine.com or call 1-844botox to learn more. That said, I mean UXI's undeniably an amazing car. Uxi kind of low key separate from the goat conversation. Uxie my goat because of UXIE level X also I mean the oxy level X. Yu-Gi-Oh that's so good too. Yes, yes. If you want to talk about uxie. Yu-Gi-Oh I think like imagine if shaman got like a recurring draw like after you played it, you could evolve it and you could get consistent draw. Because I think that's a drawback of Shaymin is like okay, you put it down, you just have this, you know, dumb low HP liability on the bench that of course you could sky return it, you could, you know, az it right? Use a supporter to pick it up. But OC level X like you're increasing the HP and then you get this trade off and then I mean you get a decent attack again for the time 60 damage for, for a double colorless, like that's not, you know, anything to sneeze at. You get trade off. Once during your turn, you look at the top two cards of your deck. Choose one, put it in your hand, put the other one at the bottom. So essentially a Dracloak. We all know how good Draclok is in the current format. Now imagine that on a, you know, on a Pokemon where otherwise it would just be, you know, a one time use. You're getting to recur that and you know, really unlike anything of the time. So we've talked about contextually being able to get that draw was, was huge. I mean, I still think Shaymin was much stronger contextually, but UC level X is my goat for sure because there was just so much more like cycling of the deck that was happening and there was no Power Zebra as well. So for putting context into the equation, your Uxie is getting sprayed like half the time it's coming out of the field. And that sucks for sure. One of the most feel bad cards ever printed in the Pokemon dcg. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Well, it's a fun one. Some would say that was the pinnacle. I mean, it's our only trap, you know. You know. Yu-Gi-Oh it's our only trap. You know, obviously very polarizing formats. Right. Some people will play formats with Power Zebra which was an item that you could play on your opponent's turn if you had what, three. Three sps. SPS in play. Yep. And then you could just shut down a Pokemon Power. So you could shut down trade off. You could shut down the Uxie setup ability on your opponent's turn. So very interesting card. Some people think that, you know, those formats are, are great because of that. Some people think those formats are horrible because like you're outlining Riley. One bad Power Zebra on like a setup. Oh, I'm gonna set up for six Power Zebra Like certainly that's how. I mean, I think that era. The game ended immediately. I agree. I agree. I don't, I don't know if Power Zebra like directly contributed to it being more or less awesome. Like, I think Power Zebra was kind of net neutral in my feelings on the format, but it was cool that they tried something like that to me. Okay, so we hit the Uxie versus Shame. I actually think it's worth. It's good that we hit the Uxie versus Shaman. It is good. It is good. And then, and we do need our listeners to say, you know, Team Shaman or Team Oxy, because I am very curious where the community at large stands on this after we've laid out our arguments for the two. So, Shaman, for Uxie, another card on my list then, kind of keeping down the vein of. Of draw effects is Cleffa. Original Cleffa. I had that one on my list. Me too. I think we. We can all agree on Cleffa, right? Yes, we can. Yes. Cleffa is just so freaking good. The original baby mechanic was just unbelievably strong for no reason forcing. So for those of you who are unaware, the original baby Pokemon mechanic was if your active Pokemon is a baby and your opponent tries to attack, they flip a coin. And if Tails, their turn ends. Not the attack doesn't do damage, not that it prevents the effects, their turn just ends. So they don't get any benefits whatsoever of their attack. If it spreads on the bench, it's shut down. If it has some effect, it's shut down. And then for one energy with zero retreat cost, Cleffa had eight eek. Shuffle your hand in the deck, draw seven cards, and this is the quintessential draw attack on a Pokemon. This is the definitive like draw attack Pokemon ever printed. It was so, so powerful and so versatile in the context of when it came out and would still honestly, like, that baby effect is so broken. Like, you could easily use that today. Imagine eeking in front of a badew, right? And you're refilling your hand and they have to flip for their itchy pollen. Now, Yu-Gi-Oh this would be such a. And be broken. Like contextualize that against the babies of today, right? The baby mechanic was just so unbelievable with the same stat line, right? The 30 hp, the free retreat. And, and I dare, dare I say that, like it. I had a debate here on whether or not to put this Cleffa as my goat versus the OG Clef. I do still think it goes to the OG Cleffa, but let's not, you know, diminish the fact that this Cleffa, this, this, you know, reprint, spiritual reprint from Heartgold Soul Silver, can attack for free. Meaning that you can attach your energy to the active retreat into this Cleffer and still get an eek and still, you know, potentially reset the hand, you know, and stay asleep and prevent any damage, you know, to, to the Clef from your opponent's Pokemon. So I do just want to call that out. I agree. I think the, the OG is, is. Is the best. Yu-Gi-Oh the attacking for free is notable. I think overall you get a little more control over the flow with the original Clefa, which is why I weighed that a little bit more also like thinking of the time when Cleffa was printed, right. Like the the game was in kind of a weird spot coming out of like the rockets and gym era and desperately like things needed to pump the brakes. And the baby mechanic not only facilitated that. Cleffa not only like was a major consistency boost drew those cards. It was also like an anti deckout mechanic in a way because you could refill your hand into your deck if you had a large hand size. There's just so much power and versatility crammed into this card while also having this insane rule box on it that has never ever been replicated since. So the OG babies are all pretty strong, but Cleffa is just heads and shoulders above the rest in my opinion when it comes to all time cards. Yep. You're getting no pushback from me. This was on my list for sure. Love it. And for me, the reason why Clef is there, I mean yes, it's a good card obviously, but the way and this is kind of how I rank my goats, right? Like if someone's gonna be the goat card of all time, it's how it changed the narrative of the game. People say this card saved the game, right? Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh It allowed more stage twos to be played, it allowed evolutions to be played, it allowed different strategies to see play that weren't seeing play before. And it was being played as like a three or four of in every single standard deck at the time. Just completely changed the way that the Pokemon TCG played. When you introduce Cleffa from Neo Genesis, the impact, the singular impact of this card on the narrative of the Pokemon trading card game. There might not be another card that changed the game quite like this. It's like Cleffa and Mewtwo Ex are my two that like seismic shifts in the way the Pokemon TCG got played. Those are like two of my biggest points, you know, singular Pokemon that changed the narrative. Cleffa and Mewtwo there. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm inclined to agree. I think both of those cards are like radical format, like game altering cards in terms of trajectory. Yu-Gi-Oh And if you've never seen this format played, just as an aside, find some videos on YouTube. Find something on Andrew's channel. They're really funny, right. Like you're setting up Cleffa to block your opponent's Cleffa and like trying to flip through that. Or maybe you even have a tyrogue and you're going for a 25 chance to knock out your opponent's clefa, like, it just gets really silly. It's crazy in. In this format. So. Yu-Gi-Oh I agree. Clefa is an amazing, amazing card. Real ones have seen like Zebra Zebra old videos on Andrew's channel of me and him playing in his old apartment. The neo format. My God. Yes, dude. Some of the first tabletop gameplay I ever did. Oh, so sick. Well, maybe we need a that in the pinned comment as well. Oh, Yu-Gi-Oh for sure. A little baby Riley. All right, so time to get my goat card in. This card was so, so broken that only an act of God could disrupt its dominance. Let's take a look at the accomplishments OCIC 2020. And I. I think it is. It is important to kind of like distill finishes for this card. OCIC 20, 25th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 12th, 13th, 16th, 17th, 22nd, 23rd, 27th, 30th, 31st, 32nd Regional in Malmo. It took top three slots. And then this was the most interesting one. The last event before the pandemic, the Perth Regional Championships. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th place at that regional. That card, of course, is Arceus Dialga and Palkia gx. You're tripping, dude. This card. And again, it's my philosophy of goat. It's my philosophy of goat. This card would be good at any point, right? No, it's not true. It would. It would be playable and good, but go ahead. It would be playable and good at any point. We're even still seeing it played now in the expanded format. This would obviously be good in a, you know, in a. In a. In a base set format, right? It would be good spanning any format. And its level of dominance that it reached during a tay day, if we want to use that argument exclusively, was, you know, unmatched up to that point. I think that this card is one of the goats of all time. It is just a brutal card to play against and something that warped the format entirely. Dude, ADP was so cheeks until Zachian came out. Well, sure. So Zacian, to me, is the better card than adp. ADP is like not even good and expanded right now, dude. No, it is. It's really not. Wait, it is good. You have the. You have the. No, you just play Reggie Drago. Yu-Gi-Oh you just play Reggie Drago. It's this thing. You think you got a turn to alter creation. GX and expanded, like. Yu-Gi-Oh sure, people play it. Absolutely. Absolutely. This card is broken. This card is absolutely broken. What are you talking about? This card is. Is. It was very good and dominating for a time. It did completely weed out all single Prizm decks from the metagame and was a card that many people consider to be very toxic. I would say that like Seismitoad Ex was like a big. A bigger card than this during its time. To me, this is not a forever. It's not the forever card you think it is. I. I think it wasn't good upon release, proving that it's not the forever card that you think it is because it wasn't even good when it was originally you. You were powering up Keldeo Ex. It was such a joke, dude. And then God forbid your ADP got touched before you actually used Ultimate Ray. Okay, so it was one set, right? Cosmic Eclipse, End of the sun and Moon. Surely that was not the name of the attack. Like, so you're saying was the name of the attack. You're saying it was. It was, you know, it was bad for one set. Right, Because Cosmic Eclipse, that was the last. Yes, but you're dismantled your whole argument because you said this for this card is broken in whatever format you. So I literally dismantled your entire argument by proving. But it wasn't good until last week. Like, so the same argument that you're using for Gardevoir Ex is that there will always be, you know, a format where there's some additional, you know, psychic Pokemon to power up. Like, can't that be the same for adp? Like there will always be some card. Well, Gardevoir Ex is not my guy. That was Riley's guy. That's true. My guy actually did have ADP on my list though for similar reasons as erjw. Although it's interesting because you. I feel like you did factor in the context of when ADP was played more than you did. I did. I did. Right. Because I think it is, you know, you look at again just trying to use kind of the arguments that have been used against why I am picking certain other cards. I think this one fits into a most dominant during its time period. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, for me, like, I don't think ADP is like the go. You know, we talk a one of one. I don't think ADP hits that status. Personally, adp, I feel like its legacy is significantly diminished because of COVID And if that Covid, if COVID 19 did not happen and we played straight through that, we would be having a different conversation about adp. I feel like a much more like leaning into it, you know, because back at that time, all of it was online, like Mickey's. And you know, the online tournaments are Cool for like five minutes. And then we all grew to hate them. Like Andrew, the whole like invention of GLC was predicated on ADP's dominance and the exhaustion that that like incurred upon the player base. So like ADP got moves, ADP got movement for sure. You can't deny. That is a good point. That is a good point. I mean I will just never forget the three turn clock that ADP presented. And I don't know that we'll ever see a deck that can accelerate a game like this. You talk about high impact turns. Imagine playing against someone that you know, you know that they're gonna one-of-one in three attacks. Like it can't be more impactful of a turn in a game than that. To me, if they got ultimate item Hawkers are more impact. Say that again to me. Turn one item lockers are higher impact than this because they give you, they give you say and you get a three turn clock against a sure one item lock. You had a one turn clock. Right. And that's the kind of impact that Seismitoe DX and Badew have on the format. Budew is a little bit of a softer lock because it's only a 30 hit point Pokemon. But Seismic Toad EX was the biggest Pokemon, the biggest basics of the time and it was turn one item locking and it was putting your opponent on a one turn clock and then they didn't have access to all items of their deck. So to me that, I mean like kind of just, you know, comparing similar stories. Right? ADP versus Seismic Toad. Because I feel like to me ADP and Seismitoad occupy a pretty similar head like ranking space for me where they're like, they're a top card of all time, but they're not the one of one card of all time. So I do agree that ADP certainly, I would not say that it is not a broken card. That was like format warping and all that. Of course it is. I'm just arguing why it's not my one of one though. Yu-Gi-Oh I would agree that ADP is not one of one. I would, I would personally, I would rank it above Seismitoad. Personally. Like the thing with Seismitoad is like you can always draw out of item lock. You can't draw out of your opponent taking three prizes under two. You could crushing hammer them. That didn't like try and hope that that's enough. Yu-Gi-Oh like that was your out and that was how decks were built at the time too, is they would just try and hope that they could land a crushing hammer, turn one and prevent the altercation. I used to play Lucario Melmetal. This deck meant nothing to me, dude. I dominated stupid ADP players in the ladder constantly. It was just Lucario Melmetal. So Luke Metal was broken for sure. Completely solved that format. Except. Except for like the Absolute mouth breather sentiscorch players that you roll up against. Nah, man. If anyone saw the format, it was me. I was like, I was the fourth ranked player at the Players Cup. Yu-Gi-Oh you're a beast, dude. With the qualification with Pika Rob broken Pika Rob. But like ADP was just better. It was just a better deck than Luke Metal and Pikachu. You know, we were sisters. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh whatever. I mean, can we just say best tag team, right? Like, let's even kind of distill down, you know, from best card. No, Mewtwo and MEW is the tag team. Yu-Gi-Oh You're tripping, Riley. What are your thoughts on that? I think ADP is probably the better tag team. It's. I mean, it's high team. Like the best tag teams are broken, right? Like you're talking Picram, you're talking Mewtwo, you're talking adp. All three of those cards are insane. The tag teams were just a Zebra bad time. What were they? Bad time, dude. The tag teams are sick. But I think like ADP was just like so unfathomable. Especially because if we're talking about context, they stopped printing fairy Topps immediately after printing ADP as well, which is crazy. Now at Lowe's, faster quotes start at the Lowe's Pro desk. Got a material list handwritten on a sticky note or saved as a photo. Perfect. 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Patients with these conditions before injection are at highest risk. Side effects may include include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue and headache. Allergic reactions can include rash, welts, asthma symptoms and dizziness. Don't receive Botox if there's a skin infection. Tell your doctor your medical history, Mosaic or nerve conditions including als, Lou Gehrig's disease, myasthenia gravis or Lambert Eaton syndrome, and medications including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. Why wait? Ask your doctor. Visit botoxchronicmigraine.com or call 1-844botox to learn more. Yu-Gi-Oh let's give this guy no weakness. Send it. Yu-Gi-Oh good. They're using Claude to make this card before Claude even existed. Exactly. Exactly. Who. Who Green Let that. All right, well, I think, I think that's, that's fair. I, I would also agree like it is a go card. I think it, it's worth bringing up in this discussion. One of one. Yu-Gi-Oh I, I'd agree. Maybe not quite there, but it's like hard to make this tier list for me. And, and you know, this ranking and, and say that it's not like a top five card or certainly a top ten. Like it can't be lower than tenth. Yu-Gi-Oh I'd probably say top ten. I don't know if that top five, but I, I'd have it in my top 25. 25. Damn it. I'd be curious what that 25 looks like. That has ADP in like the 20s, you know? Yu-Gi-Oh ADP is in the 20s for sure. Well, I already told you size because it's above it. So like, you know, I mean, you start. Well, okay, Andrew, why don't you, why don't you take the discussion then you got another card? I'm sure. I mean, Claydol's on my list. Okay. Yu-Gi-Oh Let's talk about support Pokemon. I know, I know. Probably the single best draw ability support Pokemon that we've ever seen. Yu-Gi-Oh So if you're not aware, Cosmic power is the, the poke power. You know what abilities used to be called. Once during your turn before your attack, you may choose up to two cards from your hand and put them at the bottom of your deck in any order. If you do draw cards until you have six in your hand, this power can't be used if Claydol is affected by a special condition. So the churn is what makes this card good. You're able to keep resources, but put them back into the deck, churn through the deck and see a lot of cards again without discarding cards like, you have, you know, your zoroarks, you have your, you know, curlyas of the world. Right. To. To kind of give modern comparisons, but those are always going to lose you a resource. Now that might be a benefit, but you know, this is what makes Claydol unique and why we're talking about it here, especially during this time. Saving those cards was really relevant and you get to, you know, you get to see a lot of your deck from, you know, from that ability. I think arguably the more interesting comparison is to cards like Octillery and B Barrel. Right? Sure. So those cards draw you up to five, which is obviously less than six. But I think the actually more noteworthy part about Claydol is the fact that you can put those cards in the bottom. You can always unstuck the resources from your hand and pretty much always be able to cosmic power. I mean, if you have like nine cards in your hand, you can't play any of them. Sure. But like, you know, in most cases you're going to be able to cosmic power and like always be able to benefit from that churn in addition to drawing an extra card from those more modern, like, refill your hand type cards. So Yu-Gi-Oh sorry to steal your thunder, Andrew, but no, no, it was definitely insane. Yu-Gi-Oh no, and it's, you know, they needed two cards to mimic. I'm glad you talking about it. They needed two cards. I had a good idea. The power of Claydol for sure. It's like, Yu-Gi-Oh you're bringing a Biberol and Yu-Gi-Oh great card. During the time, you know, we think about GLC and the broken combo that squovet and bibrol is like, imagine if that was all kind of packaged into one. And that's to me, like, clay doll is the type of card where if you're playing a cube, like Claydol is always one that you're like, Yu-Gi-Oh I'm gonna grab that. You know, if you could. If it's like available to you, if you're drafting and there's like a clay doll. And that's one of those things. It's like, it's funny because, you know, I, I usually argue for, like, I've been arguing for, you know, context being kind of everything, but like, this is one of those cards that's like, it kind of is like a forever good card in the context of the Pokemon TCG. You know, having a 1:1 line in your deck, what a 1:1 line of clay doll can offer your deck is something that not a lot of other 11 lines can do. Right. Like, it's just kind of gives your deck that ability to turn through itself the entire game without wasting resources. That's crazy. So, like, just very high impact card. Claydol to me is just like, it's like such a good representation of what I love about the Pokemon TCG as well. Because I've always said that one of the things I like about the TCG is you can spotlight more niche Pokemon that maybe don't get love in the video game. You know, Claydol to me is one of those guys, you know, it hasn't. Nobody has paid attention to Claydol since Gen 3. But this card's broken. It feels really good to use. You're cycling, you're drawing cards. It's kind of evergreen. And it was really good in the format bat too. Like, you're talking about it, how good it is generally, but, like, it was Zebra highly played in the years it was legal and like, just as good then as it would be now. Arguably better now. That is actually a really good argument. Riley, you bring that up. I. I think this is maybe of the cards that we've talked about, probably the highest dopamine accumulator of any card that we've discussed. It feels so good, so good. And to use it multiple times over the course of the turns, like, and you can have multiple clay doll, right? Like, you could have two or three. You know, you're probably not setting up three, but certainly, you know, Dex played two. Two, two, two claydol lines. Like, you could have two. You can use both. And like, that's so insane. So, so good. Yu-Gi-Oh I think the dopamine effect is, you know, certainly, certainly I have a. I have a great transition because I think that what makes Claydol so good is your ability to draw cards while preserving resources. So I think the greatest supporter of all time. I don't know if this is it, but it certainly is in the conversation for me now. I already got it queued up and it might be. Let me just put it. Let me just put it on the screen right now. I'll just put it on screen. Lily's determination. I was. I have this. Dude, this is so good, bro. It's. It is. We're living in the good old days. This might be the best supporter card ever printed. It is. I think it is absolutely insane. I think it is what even holds a candle to this type of effect in terms of draw? Nothing in terms of like self draw ever being 100. So Yu-Gi-Oh absolutely. It's like one-of-one or Lily's determination or like the two. Right. Because. So I wrote down two other supporters. Yu-Gi-Oh Beyond lilies, I don't. I feel like we almost don't have to belabor the point with lilies because we see the impact of lilies actively every day. Every single day. Well, and. And I just. Just before we. Just before that point, you know, I. I like to think about how they reprint effects. This is one of the few fact effects that I can think of in recent memory where they actually buffed it. Right. Like we've had pot, you know, we've had Professor Oak's new theory in the past. We've had, you know, Shuffle Draw five, Shuffle Draw six that have all seen play now. Shuffle Draw eight, you know, even though it's early game, but like we have never seen that it's a buff. But early game is when you need it, which is crazy. I know, I know. So good. It's crazy. So one-of-one carry on, Riley. Sorry. I will also say I don't think it's one of one, but Zark GX was on my list of goods as well. It was on my list. Yu-Gi-Oh In terms of supporters, I had two others that I think are worth entering the conversation. First is Guzma. So Boss's Orders is one of the most influential cards of all time. Right. And it's various Prince Lysander. Guzma is just Boss, but better like Guzma. Not only do you get the gust effect with Guzma, but you also get to switch. You have to switch your own Active with one of your bench Pokemon. But throughout the history of the game, even now, like, that is not a like limitation. That's a benefit. You know, it. It cancels out things that are trapping your Pokemon in the active. It invalidates status conditions. And so you're doing that on top of gusting. Like the intention of Guzma was supposed to use it with Licepa GX to like cycle your glass of pods and like get the effect. And it turns out they just printed the most broken gust effect of all time. Just so ridiculous. And that's why they went back to Boss after they. After Guzma. Rotating is like, Yu-Gi-Oh our bad. Like we did real hated ASPEC dude. Literally. They were like, Yu-Gi-Oh this is actually an aspect effect and a dang good one actually. Yu-Gi-Oh like Prime Catcher was Zebra good for a while. Like, obviously it's kind of like not vogue anymore in the context of this format. But if Guzma was available instead of Boss, you would not see Boss played. Yes, not at all. So, like, it's just an upgrade from Boss's orders. It was amazing in context. It's amazing in history. It would be amazing in basically any format. There's very few formats where like the switch effect would be a meaningful limitation on the supporter. You know, you think about it today, you got Latias, you got baby Pokemon. You also can just promote something in Guzma. You know, it's just. It's too easy to like benefit from the secondary effect when I think they were intending it to kind of be like something a little more tricky. But that did not work that way at all. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh I, I agree. I agree that this is, you know, supporter wise. This is probably among, if not one of the best supporters. I do take umbrage with the fact that you said it's the best, you know, gust effect. I think that's a Porter based gust effect. Okay, well, that's maybe that's a little bit more specific. Sure. So, Yu-Gi-Oh great supporter. Obviously it's not gust of wind. It's not like double gust. It's not Pokemon Catcher or pre Errata. But like, that's like a different conversation in the context of like Boss's orders. Lysander, like, yes, like Goose blows him out of the water. Yu-Gi-Oh absolutely. Absolutely. Do we have any other ideas on. On trainers? Because I. I have one more supporter that I want. I mean, the other supporter has to be N and one-of-one Right? Like, I mean, those are good. Yu-Gi-Oh certainly. Would you. They're not on your list. I mean. No, they are. It's like. Okay, okay. I was gonna say one-of-one Guzma and like Lily's determination kind of seem like the three. I'm thinking of one other one that did get a ban. Thinking a Maxis. Lysander's trump card. No, not Lysander. I mean, Lysander trump card is good. I'm thinking about Hex Maniac. Hex Maniac? Yu-Gi-Oh I'm thinking about Hex Maniac. Like, if we think about, you know, contextual. So then this is your. This is your moment, jw, where you're like, you should actually say that. Like, wait, no, Hex isn't that good because goop gas attack is just better. So like, you know, so is it Goop gas attack just the better card? That's something you would say based on the arguments that you've been making throughout this episode. Well, it did get. It did get banned. It did get banned. Goop Gas Attack never got banned. So literally. So this is where, you know, you're kind of proving our point that context matters. I know. Let you continue so long as you admit that context matters. Of course context matters. That's why I brought up, you know, the, the. The tournament placements for adp. Of course context matters. I'm not saying it doesn't. I think I just wanted you to say it. I think I tend to think about these cards in a holistic sense. If we're talking about one of one, I would want a card to be good, you know, across time spans. Now where this gets into, you know, we had kind of framed our discussion around best of each type, right? So if we're talking about supporters, Right. Of course, Scoop Gas Attack was a trainer, so you can play it, you know, alongside of a supporter. Right. But in terms of supporters, I think Hex Maniac is. Is insane. You brought up, you know, you brought up item lock, right? Seismitoad. Now Seismitoad. And pair that with a hex. Right? Pair that with Ability Lock. And now what is your opponent doing? Right? Pair a turn 1 Rayquaza Mega Rayquaza Attack with a Hex Maniac. Like your Go. You know, knock out your active Hex Maniac, your Go, like that combo. And we're seeing it over and over kind of in standard or in, in modern day, in GLC formats. But imagine if that was standard, right? That this was such a big card that, you know, people complained about. Obviously they banned the card and it would just lead to a lot of these kind of oppressive game states that were really irrecoverable from. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, the Zoroark deck that I one-of-one Dallas. Yu-Gi-Oh exactly, exactly. Predicated font Hex Maniac, right? Like red card, Hex Maniac knock out your Go. Like crazy stuff. What made Hex Maniac especially broken was like how much powerful like non supporter draw there was in the format as well. So you could like in addition to VS Seeker, right? So you'd be able to keep churning these stupid hexes out. Your opponent would just never be. And meanwhile, the Pokemon draw is the best draw. So like, Yu-Gi-Oh the Pokemon draw is the best draw. You can use your Pokemon draw to use Hex so your opponent can't use their Pokemon jaw. So just insane work. Insane work. So evil. Yu-Gi-Oh Hex is. Hex is broken. But again, that's my. That is why my My one of one card of one of one cards is Gardevoir Secret Wonder, and a lot of it has to do with its ability lock. I mean, I really highly value ability lock. I do think the Hex Maniac deserves to be in a top five supporter conversation 100%. I think the power level of this card is absolutely insane, but I think it's insane in a good way. Like in Gym Leader Challenge, I think it's okay. I also thought Hex Maniac was fine during its standard legality. It was, you know, rally. The regional U1 was an expanded one. And I think that Hex started to get out of hand in expanded format, certainly, which is why it got banned from expanded. This card never got banned from standard, and it's not looking like it'll get banned from Gym Leader Challenge ever either, because its impact on the format is one turn right, which is less in a format like Gym Leader Challenge and was a less percentage of the game during standard during its time. But again, you know, when you get into like a card pool with more draw power, higher power level turns, things like that, Hex Maniac does is a card that certainly can be problematic, but I like it. I got a soft spot in my heart for Hex for sure. I mean, to me Hex is top five, but it's like fourth or fifth. I just think lilies and Guzma and one-of-one are like, put it kind of grouping N and one-of-one together. But I think one-of-one is better if you're curious. Exactly. Yu-Gi-Oh me too. Like those three are like the actual goat Contenders. And then Hex is like in that top five zone, you know. Now it Lowe's Faster quotes start at the Lowe's Pro Desk. Got a material list handwritten on a sticky note or saved as a photo. Perfect. Bring it to us and get a quote in minutes. And if you don't see what you need on the shelf, we'll help you get it. You can access thousands of products beyond what's available in store or on Lowes.com right from the Lowe's Pro Desk. Build quotes faster and source the materials you need to keep your jobs moving. Just like that at Lowe's Chronic Migraine. Fifteen or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more, can make me feel like a spectator in my own life. Botox Anabotulinum toxin a prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. It's not for those with 14 or fewer headache days a month. 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Visit botoxchronicmigraine.com or call 1-844botox to learn more. All right, well, good. I think we've covered supporters, I think generally have have a bit less to draw from, I would say. Overall, let's move into trainers at large. Do we have any tools, trainer, you know, items that we want to highlight? I have a few. I think the first one that comes to mind in terms of items is, you know, does have a reprint and saw a lot of play across two very different eras of the game. And that of course is Item Finder slash Junk Arm. I think that's like when I think of items in the Pokemon trading card game that is like almost immediately where my mind goes, maybe pre errata rare candy, but certainly Junk Arm slash Item Finder had, you know, a very large impact and for a trainer was just completely absurd. Right. If, if we look at the text on Item Finder it was particularly interesting because you can just get any trainer card. So that is a little bit less limited than some other effects that we've seen, you know, in spiritual reprints. But you could put a trainer card into your hand if you discard two other cards from your hand. So just a, a great card for reusing, you know, tech trainers that you might include being able to reuse, you know, draw trainers especially early in, in these formats. I think that this is just one of the, the best cards and very emblematic of what the Pokemon trading card game is. Yu-Gi-Oh itemfinder was on my list as well. I feel like Item Finder also exemplifies the point I made earlier about Gardevoir Ex and that's the discard Blue Ice if you can interact with the discard pile that is the most ideal option in many cases. So being able to recur those powerful Items and trainers from your discard pile and reuse them, of course, is Zebra good. To me, like, I feel like a card we have to talk about for items is Ultra Ball. Ultra Blue Ice a little less flashy, right? It's not like, as insanely broken in the same obvious way as Item Finder and Junk Arm. But to me, Ultra Ball, to Andrew's point, has shaped the game since it was printed. Ultra Blue Ice Universal Pokemon Search, which in the formats that Ultra Ball has not been legal. You feel it. You feel it when it's missing in the modern era. And it's serious. Right. And prior to Ultra Ball being printed, there weren't as many obvious ways to get Pokemon at will from your deck. You know, you're playing things like Pokemon communication or supporters to get your Pokemon which either took your supporter for a turn or had some sort of condition on them. Ultra Ball has a condition. You're discarding two cards, but for many decks, that's a benefit. Like, it's charging up your Gardevoir Ex. It's charging up like your Malamar is. It's like fueling your discard pile for Night March. You know, it's doing all sorts of things. And, like, discarding isn't even a major downside in many cases. You know, you're thinning your deck out for your ends and your Ionos in the late game. Yu-Gi-Oh Ultra Blue Ice just so insane. It's so versatile. And I feel like we're kind of numb to its influence on the game because of how long it's existed and how universally it's existed over the last 15 years. Yu-Gi-Oh I really. I like your arguments for Ultra Ball. Ultra Blue Ice not a card that I had thought of, but I. But I do really like the points that you're making. And it's funny because I, you know, I found myself making those kinds of arguments for the Pokemon, but for trainers, I guess my mind does tend to go a little bit more for trainers. And I think it's because. Because of the way that power level with trainers works as opposed to power level with Pokemon. Right. Like, they don't just increase the numbers on trainers usually. Right. Like, but in some cases they do. And to me, that is the case with Buddy Buddy Poffin. I think that's one of the strongest item cards ever printed. And I think that it also is emblematic of a shift in the game design and how creatures is thinking about making their Pokemon cards now, because you used to play supporter cards that could get you three Pokemon on the first of the game. It's very common thing throughout the game's history is a supporter card that gets you three. Three basic Pokemon to help you set up the game. And then with the sword and shield era, they made it so that you can't play supporters turn one going first anymore. So that changed the whole concept of, like, going turn one Bridgid or turn one Pokemon collector or something like that. Right. Lynette's net search, and the list goes on. These kinds of supporters that used to see a lot of play all of a sudden evaporated, and you didn't have that way to consistently set up your board. They were trying things with nest ball and level ball and things like that, but nothing really filled that void that the turn one supporter to set up your board really kind of left until Buddy Buddy Poffin. And so, like, my argument is that I think Buddy Buddy Poffin is like, them kind of realizing that and realizing what has lacked in the format without the turn one setup supporter going first. And they are trying to make item cards that set up your board able to be played turn one going first. So Buddy Buddy Poffins kind of that concession from them. And I mean, the results are insane. This card is one of the best setup items ever and would get played, you know, in any past format you Tribute it into. This card is one of the best item cards ever. Like, you would play this in, like, retroactively. You'd play this in, like, almost every single format. Right. It's so interesting. It's. It's so interesting. Like, what do you think would see more play Buddy Buddy Poffin or Pokepad? Well, Pokepad's another card on my list. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh I. I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'm just thinking, like, going backwards, would more decks want 4 buddy buddy or 4 pokepad? I would argue maybe Poker Pad. Yu-Gi-Oh But Yu-Gi-Oh because the Evolutions are often the harder Pokemon to get access to. So maybe. I mean, is that the. Is that the better card then? I think that's part of my argument for Ultra Ball, too, though, is like, Ultra Blue Ice that universal search. It does everything you want to on one card. That's what I like about Pokepad. I mean, Ultra Blue Ice definitely a goat card, 100%. You know, I have to respect it. But Pokepad is also. The power level of this thing is absolutely nuts. I mean, we are getting. I mean, Luxury Blue Ice good, dude. We are getting. We are getting cards that the power level. Like, we have not even thought that the power Level of item search could be this high before when it comes to Pokemon search. Really. I mean, the cards that we have now in standard, the decks are more consistent than they have ever been. It's insane. Buddy, Buddy, Pokebad and Ultra Ball, we're talking. There are times when Ultra Ball wasn't in the format. You know, it's insane what we have right now, the way that they're printing these. So. Yu-Gi-Oh I don't know. Tough to say. Yu-Gi-Oh I feel like contextually they're like getting away with printing cards like this because Badoo exists, you know? Like, would they have printed these if they didn't also print Badoo? I don't know. That's funny. Are there any other items or trainers that you think? I think for me, I just want to throw this one out. And I'm curious your guys's thoughts here. That's going to be the energy removal items. Yu-Gi-Oh I tried to veer away from like, strictly, like strictly base set items because they're just operating on a whole other plane of existence. I know, I know. It's. It's maybe not fun, but. But if we're talking one of one, like, Yu-Gi-Oh I don't think you can talk about one of one Pokemon cards. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, arguably Zebra Energy Removal is even stronger too. Like over the whole history of the game ever. Like, probably want more supers. Sure. But Yu-Gi-Oh like, both of those cards are insanely goaded. I just intentionally avoided much of the base set. I allowed Item Finder because Junk Arm existed. No, I'm down with this. Call out. Jw. I'm down with it. I mean, the power level is just so insane. Right? The kind of power level it instantly it's printed in Pokemon base set, and then you never ever see it again. They learned. They immediately realized the error. Literally, immediately are like, Yu-Gi-Oh that was our bad. I mean, they. Energy Removal two. Yu-Gi-Oh right. They made Energy Removal two. And now the successor in Crushing Hammer. And Crushing Hammer is still relevant in multiple different formats. Right. Like, imagine if that was just automatic. Like, it's crazy what they thought for the base. I'm already feel like Paul goes Hammer, Hammer stamp every game. Dude. What if they actually just could. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, we could also. You could also even mention like some of the Team Rockets cards. This kind of conversation as well. If you're talking about just like shutting your opponent out of the game completely. And we could give Goop Gas Attack lip service too. Like, would goop even be better than. Than removal? Maybe Rocket sneak attack. Yu-Gi-Oh that Kind of stuff. I like Zebra I think in that category of card, to me, Zebra Energy Removal is pretty emblematic. Zebra Energy Removal is like, arguably one of the reasons that Item Finder is so stinking good was your ability to recur a card like this. Right? So, Yu-Gi-Oh so for me, I like that versus the other card on my list as far as items. But, you know, I think the Item Finder, I kind of like Item Finder better. You know, if we're talking about Item Fighter junk arm, like, that's fine. I think that's cool. I. They're all good for the same kind of reasons. So, like, it doesn't really matter to me, like, which one is like the best one, like, because they're all kind of doing the same kind of thing. Well, let's transition slightly because I think this is a good transition point. We can talk about trainers and, you know, if you have other ones to continue to add on Riley or Andrew, please feel free. But Zebra Energy Removal was good in its time because, yes, of course you're discarding two Energy cards, but that doesn't always mean that you're discarding two energy and one of. I think, you know, you talk about one of one cards. This might be, you know, pack one, pick one. Pretty much for me, in any cube, again, knowing the context of that has to be Double Colorless Energy, I think that that is one of, you know, the most important cards in the game's history, from base set up to Zebra and beyond. Talk about two, you know, unconditional. Two energy, two colorless energy for one energy attachment. It's just like, so, so broken. Are you going to put it on the screen so we can see it? I am, I am. I'm trying to. Show me, show me dce, dude two. What's your favorite art? There's only two. Which one you playing real Contenders for energy, and Double Colorless is one of them and leads the pack, in my opinion. Double Color is so good. And it was like a design staple of the game for much of the game's history, conceptually, right. If you think about the game balance of the Pokemon tcg, you have one Energy Attacks. You have that, you know, and you could be colorless or colored, but then you have two energy attacks. And they could either be colorless energies and flexible, or they could have some color requirement and be, like, more difficult to achieve. And so from a game design perspective, double Colorless Energy makes so much sense, right? It's like, okay to power up these kind of like, in between attacks. You know, you'll have the more heavily colored ones are going to be stronger, but this is like a little more accessible. And it just went completely off the rails. Like, some of the best attacks ever printed are all Double Energy. And they just kept printing it alongside these cards. Some of the cards we even talked about today are like Double Colossus Energy synergistic cards. You know, we didn't really talk about it in detail, but Zoroark Ex, Shaymin Ex, Mewtwo Ex, for example, Mewtwo X, Seismito. Those are all cards that are built on the back of Double Colorless Energy. And I feel like Pokemon maybe. My guess is from they maybe overestimated how difficult it would be to like get and chain the Double Colorless Energies together. And that's why it works that way. But just insane. Like, to me, Double Colorless Energy is the one of one, but there's another card I would like to be in the conversation. To me, there is no. Yu-Gi-Oh there's no other card to be in the conversation. In my notes, I was like, oh, DCE next. Like, next. Yu-Gi-Oh But I am interested to hear if. Is Riley about to say Double Dragon Energy? Because it's like another one. I guess Double Dragon is also good. I feel like it's just so niche in its application. But Yu-Gi-Oh Double Double Dragon's broken for sure. The other one I wrote down was actually Rainbow. Like Rainbow Energy doesn't see. Didn't see as like high, like high frequency of play. But like, that's just such a good effect on that card, you know, being able to get any energy color. It's also kind of like historic staple energy, you know, imagine if Rainbow energy existed like it kind of did with Lugia with Aurora Energy. To me, Aurora is kind of like in the same space as Rainbow. The flexibility that the energy offers in the decks that were able to utilize it is Zebra cool. And it was a big part of like the early Darkness Energy formats, for example, when you only had rainbows and Darkness energies to achieve those attacks costs. You know, if you're talking about like Double Dragon, I feel like you also have to talk about like the like double triple rainbow energies in that conversation too. And I would even argue that, like, those energies were more influential on their formats than Double Dragon was though. Double Dragon's insanely broken and expanded right now. If you, if you pay attention to that now it lows faster quotes started the lows Pro Decade desk got a material list handwritten on a sticky note or saved as a photo. Perfect. Bring it to us and get a quote in minutes. And if you don't see what you need on the shelf, we'll help you get it. You can access thousands of products beyond what's available in store or on lowe's.com right from the Lowe's Pro desk. Build quotes faster and source the materials you need to keep your jobs moving. 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Well, just you wait till I use my Raikou to attach a voltaic light. All right. Stadiums. Just lightning energy, but better stadiums. We all know now for stadiums, let's just say it all at the same time. Say all at the same time. All right. Three, two, one. Broken time space. Path to the time space. I have path of the peak as well. My two. I wrote down were Path to the Peak and Broken Time Space. It's got to be Broken Time Space. No, it's gotta be broken down. Path to the Peak I have passed to the Peak was definitely way more influential on the shape of its format than BTS was on it. You have to admit that. I mean, I'll concede that. But I think BTS is a game defining card. Yep. I think BTS game defining like Hex was. I mean in a way it's. It's like. I feel like it's like in that realm. It's so crazy. Dude. The argument for BTS is that it. Its power level is like incomparable. Right? Like having forced Giant Plants effect for all of your Evolutions. Well, they so crazy. Yu-Gi-Oh they made it. They made it worse. Limited to one type and it got, you know, and that card got banned like well. And now it's. It's basically back in standard now kind of. Not again. Not to the same. Not to the same power level. The Turn one Evolution is, is like a core part of what makes Broken Time Space so good. So you know, they did correct it with the, with the Turn one limitation. My take, my take is actually I think Path of the Peak is a stronger card. But when you said let's say it all together, I'm like, okay, we're going down the Broken Time Space path. So I'll say that that was my second card. I wrot. But I think Path of the Peak completely warped the game around it for so long. It's the best ability blocking stadium we've ever had as well. And over the years on tag team we've dogged on these defensive stadium concepts. But Path to the Peak is the offensive stadium. You're going in and disrupting your opponent actively. With cards like Path, we've seen this over the years. We've had Silent Lab, we've had like Battle Frontier, we've had Power Plant, like all of these different variations. And Path to the Peak is easily the best of them. Especially in the era in which it was printed because basically any ability worth having was on a rule box at this time. So like you're effectively just saying your opponent has no access to abilities with cards like Path. Just completely insane. It was so insane that decks like MEW were playing multiple copies of it. You know, decks that were completely shut down in theory by Path were playing Path in high counts. Arceus was playing Path and high. You know, it's like these decks that are trying to utilize their. Their Rule Ox abilities are playing Path Themselves. Because it was just so good that your goal is to use your own abilities first and then path your opponent. It's like the stadium equivalent to Hex, dude. I mean, think. Think about dropping path and current standard. The only deck it goes in like is Pult and it just makes Pult so insane, bro. I'm gonna go unfair stamp Path and Pult's the only deck that can draw out of that. Because Pulse the only deck that draws out of that consistently. Because it's got your cloak but everybody else's body. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh I think this is victim to me again of my mindset because I do agree, you know, path of the peak broken card. Obviously I want a regional with it. Like, it has a special place in my heart. I know how oppressive it could be. You know, playing it in Mew, playing it in Miraidon. Such a strong. The Rhino deck's another great example too. Like that's a deck with the heavily heavy ability usage that you just threw path there because it's that broken. Oh Yu-Gi-Oh It just. To me, I mean, it obviously with the limitations on it, you know, rule boxing, it. It doesn't. It doesn't exist outside of its format. Right. And it was a dominant card. I. I don't disagree here. But that to me is what separates a card. Like bts. No Rule box. This actually is a forever card, dude. It says rule box. Okay. You talk about rule boxes go all the way back by the first card. It's blocking Cleffa, though. Discussion. Okay, it is blocking Clefa. Fair enough. This is a forever card, dude. It literally says rule box on it. That is actually not blocking Clefa. It's not an ability. But you get. No, Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh But it's a card that transcends. This is a card that transcends and always will so long as there's rule boxes. I also feel like basically ever since that like Mewtwo inflection point, like the strongest abilities are very consistently on rule box Pokemon. We don't see like abilities at the same scale. At least on non rule box. I mean, we have our Inteleon lines, we have our Draculoks, we have our Noctowls for sure. But you're not seeing like the pheasantipities of the world. Like that's movement, that's influence. You know, the Meowth, that's influence. Like those cards are all rule box Pokemon and they probably just will forever at this point. All those. So like. Yu-Gi-Oh Path is just so insane to me. Radiant Greninja dude, stopping Radiant Greninja was crazy. That was so good. I mean, you were hitting a single Prizm guy. Dude, like that. That's nuts. Stop it. Goats as well. Yu-Gi-Oh that card's crazy too. I also as. As shouts like the other stadiums that I had, I had parallel, I had chaotic swell, I had silent lab swells. But. But Path is just better than all those. It is. I mean Path topped my stadiums list, but those were the other ones that I was kind of thinking of. And really when it comes to disruption, just like nobody quite did it. Like path, right. Parallel, I think is very strong. It was also like pretty format defining for a time. But the path to me gets the nod for sure. Yu-Gi-Oh Swell is interesting. I didn't think about Swell. I was writing down my list. Another card lost there too. Well, another card lost to the COVID times. The COVID era. Yu-Gi-Oh To me, Swell in parallel Path BTS is probably like in the top five. I don't know what the fifth one is, but Swell is like the ultimate niche of the blank stadium car. Like, you know, like over the years there's so many times where I'm like, oh man, I wish I could just play like a blank stadium to like counter my opponent's nonsense, you know, I'm literally the goat at that. And it's two blank stadiums for every copy. Insane. Well, like talk about defending against something like Pat to the peak or Parallel or any other problematic stadium, right? Like, Swell is like the. The ultimate counter to those is swell. Right? And to me that's why Swell is up there is because it's path that Swell is kind of the, the. The one-of-one to the yang, you know, it's tough. I don't know. I don't know if Swell is good. Like again, you look at the history of the game for what, probably 10 years. You know, we had formats that included Field Blower or Windstorm, right? Which are item based stadium removal. So I, I don't know if I really love Swell as. I don't know. Swell is still. Swell is still good, man. It's like a top 10. You're forcing those items. Not every deck plays those sorts of items. And like if you're a stadium Reliant deck, now you have to do that. Like so now you have to alter your deck to address this card for no reason. Swallow's pretty broken. I don't know. Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Also just like there's no other effects like that, you know. Well, it's so insane because it just. You're playing half as many but you're eating up, like, so many of your opponent's deck spots, it's crazy. You only have to play like one or two. The job is done. Does this. Does this card see play in glc? Yes. Like, not. Not. Stop. Parallel. Okay. No, it's. It's like the best anti parallel card because there are decks in GLC that hate parallel. They hate it. It's like the worst thing that can happen to a setup deck is to get parallels. So, like, similarly, Silent Lab, like, Okie dokie hates silent lab. Right. So Gaddock. Swell is a card that sees play in GLC as a defense against the most broken stadiums in glc, of which you've got, like, Silent lab and parallel are two of the best ones. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Swell's a good shout. I didn't think about swell. Interesting. Are there any other cards that jump to mind for you guys, like, in any of the categories? I feel like we hit a lot of the. The ones I was hoping to talk about. Float Stone. I didn't. Well, I didn't put any tools as their own category, so. Yu-Gi-Oh I guess. Let's go Mosaic Band. Interesting. Interesting. Mosaic I feel like Mosaic Band. They just don't make them like this anymore, baby. They don't make. Mosaic Band is really good. But I feel like that's heavily informed by your GLC partake. I don't think it would still be crazy today. I don't think I would. Yu-Gi-Oh I don't think I would. It would be fine, adjusted for inflation. It would have to be plus 30. Yu-Gi-Oh Probably more like there's. You have to be like 35 every other attack you do. 40. All right. Flowstone. I. I do agree on Flowstone. Flowstone. Undisputed. Unbelievable. Probably the best tool. It's not close. It's undisputed. Yu-Gi-Oh Well, life do. Yes. No Life do. I feel like Floatstone, especially when you factor in that life due is an aspect and Floatstone's not like. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm just trying to. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate. There's. There's got to be another. I don't play it in any format ever. Multiple. I agree. So many world winning decks. Like. Yu-Gi-Oh The one at one. Every regional winning deck for years. And contextually it existed alongside Garbodor. Like. Yu-Gi-Oh And just every deck played it, you know, there's always a one or two of in every deck. Yu-Gi-Oh Okay. Evergreen card for sure. And Evergreen Pokemon that we didn't talk about. And it's maybe a little bit of cheating, which is why I didn't bring it up during the Pokemon section. Is English sloking. I was wondering if anyone was going to talk about that English looking from Neo. A little bit cheating. It's a little bit cheating. Japanese one. Not the Japanese mention him. I mean, you talk about Go cards. Goat Evergreen cards. I. I think this one checks all the boxes. Right. I'm not saying it's a one of one card, but it certainly was format defining, era defining. Just one of the cards in the game that you have to mention whenever you bring up just best cards. Yu-Gi-Oh One of. One of the cards of all time for sure. Yu-Gi-Oh So it will. What. What we mean if. If you don't know when. When we're talking about this. This card was not as strong in. In Japanese, but it got mistranslated to read as such. Whenever your opponent plays a trainer card, you may flip a coin. If heads, that card does nothing. Put it on top of your opponent's deck. This power can't be used as Slow King is asleep, confused or paralyzed. Now this was only supposed to work when Slow King was in the active, which made it a pretty mid to actually bad card in, you know, in. In Japan because the attack is not particularly strong and you could only have one power working on the opponent at any one time. So not a playable card in the Japanese translation. Now when it was in English, it got translated English. It was like I said, so you could have four slowking on your bench, all with that mind games in play. And your opponent will have that flip four cards to play a single trainer. And if they flip tails once, they would. Or sorry, if you flip heads once, that just goes right back on top of their deck. Pretty broken stuff. Yu-Gi-Oh The really broken part about the Slow King was also that it just went back on top of the deck too. So you can. So you're just like controlling. Never got to draw again. You're not getting any new cards. Yu-Gi-Oh Not only are you not able to play your draw supporters, but you're just drawing back into them. So ridiculous. Yu-Gi-Oh This card was certainly a card of all time. Yep. Completely decimated the formats that exist. We criticized the game designers, but this wasn't their fault. This wasn't their fault. No. So I think we've all reached a consensus. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, maybe let's go through the categories and see if we can reach to the best tag team answer we can get. So for the Pokemon, we present a lot of good arguments. Are we feeling like we're circling the drain on any of them. Jw, what's your one of one? I'm gonna say Uxie. I think there's a really strong argument for Cleffa. I would be fine with either. I'm gardevoir secret wonders. 100%. Yu-Gi-Oh We're just all over the place on the Pokemon. Maybe that's fine. That's fine. Maybe the Pokemon is just. There's too much maybe. No, maybe Claydol. Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe it is Claydol. If you measure fun as a factor, Claydol wins. I could see Claydol. I could see Claydol for sure as being, like, the one. And the reason why I'm able to kind of move on it is because to me, it's almost like there's like, you kind of have to have different categories. You've got, like, Claydol is, like, the best support Pokemon ever printed, but Gardevoir is kind of like your best protagonist of a deck, like, guy. Right. You know, so. So to me, like, I'm fine giving Claydol best card, best Pokemon of all time, because it's like, okay, well, you know, sure, we'll give, you know, we'll give the support position the title. That's fine. Whatever, you know, or we could give the quarterback the title. Like, it doesn't matter, you know, so I'm fine with that. So why. Why I think Goldin might be a good choice is it's evergreen. It's like a great representation of the Pokemon card game. And, like, it's heavy. It's high draw, which is like, so the identity of the Pokemon card game. It's really fun. It's like a niche Pokemon that, like, real. Like, people who aren't real knowers might not know of Claydol. It's just Claydol is just so good, man. So let's say that Claydol is the tag team sponsor. That's fine. Yu-Gi-Oh Tag team. Tag team answer can be Claydol. I'm fine with that. Okay, how about items? What better than the item finder? Finder Junk arm, like, it takes the spot, basically. Many of the arguments I made for Ultra Ball also apply to Open Finder as well. Yep. Supporters, are you feeling lilies or feeling Guzma? N? Like, I mean, lilies would be played in any format, like, as a form. Guzma, dude, think Guzma my votes Guzma personally. But, like, let's give it to Guzma. Guzma would see play in the. In the formats with, like, hard Item gust, obviously. Well, basically every other format you would play it. Yu-Gi-Oh But hard item gust is, I don't know, a third or more of the game. I would argue that. That Guzma in like Guzma is a card that is like higher impact than Lily's, I think. And that's part of my argument. Yu-Gi-Oh those are like the game winning turns. I see what you're saying. It is. It's hard. Like, if lilies didn't exist, you could play pont and get a comparable overall effect. And here's the other thing too, is that like in higher power level formats where you have like, like Crobat V and stuff, cards like lilies are lower value because you have other ways to draw cards, but you're not usually playing other ways to gust. Guzma is the premier gust in all of the decks. Whereas draw power can be used. You can have Pokemon do your draw power for you. You don't have to rely on that supporter to do it. Especially when you get into higher power level formats. Right. Where you have those Crobats, those Dedennes and things like that. So for me, I think Guzma does actually get the shout against the nine. Even though I had me. I actually personally rank one-of-one over lilies as well. But like, it's. I'm fine if you disagree with that though. Okay. Guzman. All right, so Guzma Stadium, we had two people on Path. Jw, could you see that path or. I mean, Yu-Gi-Oh I think of. I think of all the people here, I. I probably should be the most indebted to Path. Okay, Yu-Gi-Oh I'll give it to Path. I'll give it to Path. And what do we say? Double. Call this energy, folks. That might just be the like, like iconic. The best card ever. Like the most iconic card, at least for me. I don't know, you guys maybe think differently, but. But when I think of Pokemon, it's. It's. It's double colorless. Yu-Gi-Oh it's up there at least. What's crazy is that it'll never get printed again. Yu-Gi-Oh they've. Double color's got that like, nerf treatment that you're talking about. JW for sure. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh does. Does Beach. Does beach get a stadium nod? Dude, beach is like a top 10. Yu-Gi-Oh top 20. I don't even think. I don't even think it's 25. I don't think there's not that many good stadiums. Don't count. Stadiums in general are pretty bad. But then there's. Every so often there's like a huge banger of a stadium. For sure. For sure. Every so often. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh But you have to wade through the muck to get to that. Yes. Just watching five years, we'll be talking about the legendary stadiums as the goats. Oh, man. Remember the legendary ocean. That was so sick. Remember when he ice creamed for 160 and will be five years older? Talking about it's gonna be really bad. Oh, no, no, no, no. Our kids will be on the podcast talking about how they healed 160 with their legendary ocean. All right, grandpa, let's get you to bed. Well, I think this is a. I think this was a productive conversation. I think we landed on answers that I feel happy with. Oh, Yu-Gi-Oh Satisfied on my end as well. And we had lots of great discussion. So hopefully you learned something today about our viewpoints about the history of the game, about just cool cards they haven't thought about recently. Maybe itching to play an old format. I had fun. I enjoyed, like diving back in to the history of the game. Always a good time. But I think that's about going to wrap us, folks. So if you haven't already, be sure to check us out on our various platforms. If you haven't seen us on YouTube. We are on YouTube now, trying to get 2000 likes on the next video. Think we can do it with your support. So head on over and subscribe to the YouTube channel. You also get the visual experience, the podcast on YouTube. If you're into that. Be sure to comment on Spotify, YouTube. All that stuff may get shouted out on the mailbag. At the very least, it helps support the podcast. And if you're interested to check us out on social media. Andrew has deleted it from his phone, but he'll still browse occasionally on his computer. 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