Discovery, The Chase or Ownership? + What Makes Collecting Fulfilling + Why We Fall Out of Love With Cards

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Listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling Smart move, another smart move getting help from one of State Farm's 19,000 local agents when you choose to bundle home and auto bundling. Just another way to save with the personal price plan. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. Michael Jordan Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now Jeremy Lee in the building and every guess that you ever needed Sports cards after hours keep the hobby heated Updates, homie talk like you never seen it Sports cards live and I could ever beat it Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now welcome to another episode of Sports Cards Live with your host, Jeremy Lee. Yu-Gi-Oh Okay. Yu-Gi-Oh Christina says Jeremy, you might be an extrovert asking me about sports cards. Seriously? Oh, I like that, Christy. That's a good shirt. Was that the other one? Was there. Were there two of them? Yep, there's a pair of them. And you could get the introvert one or you could get the extrovert one. I could not wear the introvert one. Like, honestly, I would need the extrovert one, but. Right, Christina, if you send me those. Those hoodies, throw in a. Throw in an extra large extrovert for me shirt for me, please. Great shirts. Great shirts and great job with everything you did. Nice hats too. We got the updated hats with the 40. 47. 47. 47. I have to go mail something on Monday, so I'm gonna make sure that box gets mailed. We Have a living room full of boxes of Christina promised merch mailings. Nice. I feel like you're kind of an introvert though, Jaylee at heart, aren't you? Like, not really, dude. Not really. Nope. I don't think I. Listen, I, I do enjoy some quiet time here and there, but no, I like talking to people. I really do. I, I was ribbing you. I, I know seeing you in action out there on the showroom Fleer you're engaging everybody and Yu-Gi-Oh you've got a lot of energy for the social dynamic. Not bad for a past middle aged man. Hey, by the way, Chris, it looks like you've just now taken on a new role at Card Ladder as shipping department. Christina is very happy. She doesn't want to do it anymore. So that is now Chris is now adding, I've been promoted. I'm out from the janitor's closet and up to the mailroom. So. All right, so Chris or Josh, do either of you, or Joe for that matter. I mean, although we had Joe for the first hour of the show. Do either of you guys have any topic you wanted to bring to the table tonight? And I just did receive a message. We may have one more person joining us in a little bit, but in the meantime, Chris or Josh, any topic? Josh? No. Chris, how about you? Is there a topic on your list that you want to present? Because I'd love to hear it. I always have a backlog. I always prepare one just in case. All right, so this is the one that I had prepared for today's show. It's going to be a little bit of a change of pace, but I think this is a question that every collector will enjoy thinking about to themselves. As I read it out loud, and this actually isn't my topic. It came from Romo, collector on Instagram, who is messaging with me. This is actually from a few months ago, but I jotted it down and what he said to me was, he said, I think we can learn a lot about ourselves by our emotional states at various points of the card collecting hobby. At what point of the hobby do you find yourself most fulfilled? And I've broken this down into four areas, but I think could be broken down differently. And then I actually added a fifth area. But here's the, here's those areas because one, do you feel most full fulfilled at the research level when you're just learning about cards or you're going and trying to find something new to discover? Is it the discovery process? Number two, is it the Chase and not the David Chase? Is it the chase, the chase of finding the card? Is it actually doing the work of like, I saw Grant Slate and Waldorf Stories put out a story to his Instagram today that said, hey, I'm going to be in Houston for this card show. If you know anybody who wants to get, you know, cashed out of their collection, I'd love to take a look. I'd pay a generous finders fee. He loves the chase. He loves to unearth cards and there might not be anybody better at it than him. He loves the chase. He loves to find the cards. Or is it number three, Is it ownership? Is it actually having the card in your hand? Is it looking at the details? Is it enjoying it, thinking about it, processing it? Is is that your favorite part? Or four, is it the curation, display and expression of your esthetic desire? That's the best part. Once you have the card, it's not having the card that's your favorite part. You might like that a lot, but it's actually figuring out how you want to present it, how you're going to post it to social media, how you're going to show it to your friends, how you're going to present it if you walk around at a show, how you would patch auto if it was coming to auction, how you would display it, so on, so forth. And then finally the part I added or is your favorite part of the experience, is it actually when you sell the card and you move on from it, is that your favorite part? When you had the card, you owned it, you got the joy out of it. But your favorite, favorite part, Just like they say, the best days in a boat owner's life are buying the boat and selling the boat is the best day of you, your life as a card owner selling the card. Maybe it's because you enjoy getting the profit. Maybe it's just because you like the action, you like moving in and out of cards, and you like that satisfying punctuation mark at the end of that card's life in your collection. So there are five areas there to think about for all collectors. What is your favorite phase? And thank you again to Romo Collector for serving up this topic. Yu-Gi-Oh I want to thank Romo Collector for that one also because it's, it's a nice topic, it's a fun topic. It's, it's the philosophical topics that we get into in the final in the overtime hour of Sports Cards Live. Listen, I, I, let's start with yu-gi-oh. You just got back to the, to the, to the panel Here you look like you got something to say and I want to, I want to marinate on it a little bit. But, Josh, we're going to go to you next. But let's start with yu-gi-oh. Yu-Gi-Oh I got a big hit on the ownership phase. And, and that's probably partly because my curation phase is a little fraught because I have things in the vault and the safety deposit box and in my own little 400 square foot studio. So my curation is limited in, in terms of the intake, but the, the moment of knowing that the card is in my possession, that it is sort of like in. I, I own it and I can wield it in whatever way makes sense to me. Maybe I will have it in, in my, you know, personal little world fishbowl here, maybe it'll stick up in Tigard, Oregon for a while. But just knowing that I own it, knowing that I have sort of rights to it and that I'm kind of in control of the asset, that's. That's the part that is like the. Yes. I love it. I love it. Before we go to Josh, we'll do a couple from the chat. Jesse, Double O's card guy says curation and display 100. And he typed that faster than before you were done talking, Chris. Which is funny because if you follow like I do Double O's card guy on Instagram, you'll see he's just. Today he posted his new curation, his new display in his house, of. Of his cards on display. And I mean, I hang out with him at card shows. He, he sets up with me and helps me at the booth and he loves every card like he's a Double O's. Go follow him if you're not following him yet. He's a great guy. He's a good buddy of mine and he loves cards. If we love people who love cards or if you're like Joe and you love to stack hats on hats, go follow Double O's card. I'm just messing with you. Go follow Double O's card guy. He says that BW says the chase for me, even though I don't do it much. That's fair. Moloko loves it all also, you know. Great. Glad to hear it. Okay, Josh, over to you. I like the chase and then the ownership, but for me, the chase and then finally getting in hand is my favorite, biggest rush for me, so. Because sometimes the chase takes years to find a card you want, so. So do you love the like? Because I was thinking about that too. Josh. I one-of-one I one-of-one I one-of-one dig in a bit. I, I have watched like I have saved searches that I've been searching for 15 years and, and I'm looking for certain cards and it feels like a chore, it's almost a burden to clear those little blue dots on the ebay safe searches as an example. When they come up, if you, If I got 50 safe searches and I go, I go look at them like regularly and you know, I go to my, my saved and like, there we go, look at all those blues. You know, I, I, I will clear those off before I go to bed tonight, but it's like it's an errand. I don't enjoy that a ton. So. That's one response to to people who like to chase. I'm not saying it's not fun. What I love though is the non Steve searches part of the chase. So I hear you, Josh, but, but do you, what do you love about the chase? What do you love about searching for the card for so long? And I'm just asking. It's not a, this is not a, any, any, not loaded at all. You want to hear something wild that you're not going to believe? I don't think I've ever used an ebay safe search in my life. Like, I just, I believe it. Yu-Gi-Oh ever. So I, I, I love just the journey, like just searching, going to card shows, you know, finding people, knocking on doors. Just, you know, the hunt makes it all worthwhile. Then you appreciate that card once you get it in your hands. Yes, Joe, just clarifying question to how we're understanding the chase. So like, for me, I'm chasing, but I'm not always aware of what I'm chasing. And I think discovery implies that you've already kind of zeroed in on the card that you want. I love the chase too, but I'm frequently out in the wild just looking for something that I think is cool and interesting. And then later I'll sort of like engage in the discovery usually actually after I purchase it or, or acquire it. So like I, my, my whole, like this whole hierarchy and the sort of like that it's laid out is a little catty wampus for my, for my actual, you know, collecting style. Caddy wampus, everybody. That might make the thumbnail for the hangover, because we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to dig into that on the hangover, everybody. Catty wampus. You heard it here first on Sports cards live, August 15, 2026. No, I, I agree with what you're saying, Joe. I mean, I, I'm curious about what we mean by all these terms too, and I think that's up to us. We can, we can define them. However. I think we, we kind of want to. But I appreciate your answer, Josh, to my question because, you know, and, And I'll go next or. And then we'll go to Chris too. But as I, as I wrote down Chris's five elements here, and I go through them. Research and discovery. I circled discovery to me, finding something new that I'm like, oh, my God, I can't believe I just found this. And I love it so much. It is invigorating. It is so invigorating me not to discover the card I've been chasing, but to discover a new lane or a new interest. That is probably number one for me. The other thing is the curation. I talk a lot about building a flight of cards and pairing cards together, and does it fit into my collection. Curating my collection is also an expression. And Chris said curation, display, expression. Your words, Chris. To me, the curation. We are curating our hobby, identity, but not necessarily outwardly. Not for other people to know our identity. It's our own. It's what we know. Now, if you're sharing them, if you're sharing your collection with the public, well, then you're, You're. You're forming an identity that other people can clue into as well. I was listening today to Mike Junk Junk Wax Hero, along with Mike Moynihan. The two Mics did a show on the, on the Sports Card Clubhouse channel. And, And Mike Moynihan, he. He basically said, like, he loves to curate his collection. No, what he said was, I don't buy cards to show them off on social media, but I do show them off sometimes. And that really resonated with me, too. I love showing off the cards. I love posting cards to my new Instagram account, but I don't buy them to share them. I buy. I've been buying them well before social media. I know a lot of us have been. So. But, but, but that kind of made me this thought, this, the, the discussion around curation. Display, expression. Expression is, you know, you can express it to nobody, right? You still are forming your identity. And so, but the curation. I love that. I love curating the collection. I love discovering a new lane. So the research, I don't mind the research, Chris, I can't wait to hear your answer. And I think you're going to put a lot of it into research or I think that's on your list at least. I don't mind the research, but I don't get off on it like some people do. This guy over here. I love the discovery, the chase and the hunt. I don't mind it. I'm always chasing and hunting, but it's not my number one. It's not up there at top for me. Ownership, I mean, we are collectors. I love owning the cards, but I don't get off on it as much as I do. Just the discovery and the curation. Although curation is a part of ownership, I would say. And then moving on from a card is the opposite for me that I get no joy from moving on from a card. I get, I have pain oftentimes moving on from a card. So it's not even on the list for me to go to Romo collector. So that's how I. That's, that's my answer to, to the, to the, the topic. Chris, let's hear well your responses to everybody and your own. Oh, great answers. I love the diversity of answers, which I think is why this is such a great question. There's so many different ways to answer it. And even the three of us, four so far, who have taken a stab at it, have come at it from a totally different angle. That made me actually want to rethink my whole answer just hearing each of you give yours. And then I think here's where I landed on my answer, granted, with more Runway and more time to think about it. What I thought about was this. I actually went through each of the five and I said I actually love every single part of this. I love discovering cards. I think that I've like, there nobody could doubt that. I love the chase. I love deal making. I love when that moment when you settle on that price and you lock in the card, that. That's almost the peak of the entire experience. In some ways. There used to be this funny graph. This, this is from like eight, ten years ago. If Facebook groups used to share this graph. That would sort of show like when the most fun you're having as a collector is. And it's like right after you make the deal. You know, it's like you, it's still great getting the card in hand and it's. Everything's great all the time. But the biggest rush is like, oh, I just landed the card. The chase is awesome too. Ownership, obviously I'm going to come back to ownership, curation and display. I, I make 90 minute podcasts presenting a card. I I absolutely love the, the art of presenting and curating a collection and explaining, reasoning and, and so forth. And I actually really like the sale too, because it's invigorating to me when I sell a card. And it confirms and it reminds me because I don't sell cards very often. So when I do, it's like, oh, the market is real. There are other people out there just like me paying this money for these cards. It's real and it's, and that's, that's like a lightning bolt that shocks me and gives me energy. But circling back to ownership. Ownership has to be my answer. I think Joe gave this answer and it has to be my answer too. And here's why I can still love this hobby without any of the other things. As long as I have ownership that I can. Okay, I don't get to have discovery, fine, but I still get to own cards. That's what I'm here for. I, I could do without the chase, obviously, like if cards just, if I'm just sort of winning things at auction and there's really no hunter pursuit, but still I get to own the card. I could do without presentation. If you took away all my social media, I'd still get such a great joy out of looking at my collection, curating it and enjoying it for myself, not to present to others. And then finally, if I could never sell a card, that would not remove at all my enjoyment from cards. But if you took away the ability to own cards, if I Goldin own cards, I could still research them. I could still help people, other people make deals. I could still make podcasts and present cards. And I could still, you know, present, participate somehow in helping people sell cards. But I Goldin own them. I wouldn't be in the hobby. I wouldn't. So I think it has to come back to ownership. For me, ownership is my answer. Yu-Gi-Oh it's hard to disagree with that, Chris. We are like, I, like even when I was, I said, well, we are collectors. I am collecting. So that's the, that's the primary purpose. But I guess the way I'm, I think of it is on a, on a day to day basis, like, I've got several cards and I don't look at them all every day. And I know a lot of us don't look at all of our cards every day and that's okay. We don't have to. No one's telling you to do that. Knowing you own cards is a very comforting feeling. I mean, it's knowing I have them is very comforting. And now I'm actually rethinking my comments on discovery of a new lane. And the reason I'm doing that is because I think about being at a card show I think the most. Like, I almost want to hear the question again. Not yet, but because I think one of my favorite things as a collector in the hobby to do is it is tied into discovery, it's tied into the hunt, and it leads to ownership. It's looking through showcases of card shows. It's even looking through showcases on story sales, you know, and seeing all the cards. But there's nothing, nothing like walking a card show and looking at cards. I go to a card show, I want to look at cards. First and foremost, I want to look in the showcases I'm hoping to spot, to discover. And that's. I'm hunting, right? I'm chasing, I'm hunting, but I'm not chasing a specific card in many case. Sometimes I'm looking for, oh, you know, I want to pick up a 49 Bowman Dobie, which I did at the national, and it's like, great, I found one. Well, David Chase found it for me and sent me to it, which was great. But the disguise. I come back to Discovery, which leads to. But like you, Chris, I'm not in this hobby if I can't own cards. I'm actually not a content creator if I can't own cards. So. But does that make it. What was the. What was the words of the question? Actually? What, what was the preamble to those five. To those five options? The precise wording was at one. 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I don't fulfilled is aware I would say I have the most fun discovering and hunting not not the ten year hunt, but the the the the Marketplace hunt Search Reviewing the new weekly and premier auction on Fanatics. Reviewing the new cards available on Slab Sharks Thursday Auctions. Walking into the card shows that every card show I go to and seeing the new inventory new to me, new to the dealer in the showcases. That's the most fun. But I'm not you could take that away and I'm still gonna own cards and I'm still going to enjoy myself in the hobby. So it's it's a weird. It's a weird one. Like I think who like I think you said it, Chris. I love all of it except for the number five. I don't. Unless I bought cards specifically as inventory, which I do sometimes. That's fun. I do love the art of the deal, but when it comes to my personal collection, giving up a card is far from my favorite thing to do. So just to come back on it, Moloko Effing loves cards. Bob Duzil loves reenacting his best card negotiations with his Labubus because they are actually alive for him. He sees them as alive. What's a Bob Boozle besting in the hobby or mail day says stuff. Steve Splenda Upstate says hunting to gather. It's like hunting to gather to own. They're so connected for me that it's hard to to to Separate the two from each other. It's because. Why. Why is hunting and discovery so much fun? Because you're gonna own it at the end. At the end of the journey. At the end of that card's journey for you, you're gonna own it. So the goal is ownership, but is what is more. Fulfilling was an interesting word. What's more fun? What's more fun on a day to day basis going to a card show and discovering new cards or going home and looking at the cards you've owned for 15 years? What's more, I would say I have more fun shopping for cards, looking and discovering new cards. But I. But it doesn't mean that I don't love looking at the cards I already own and enjoying them on a. I one-of-one say day to day basis, but enjoying them throughout life. Like it's so much fun to see what you have and put them on your table in front of you and put different cards together. You know the. Put all your Jackies together, all your Jordans together. Then maybe put all your, you know, all your PMGs together, all your essential credentials or putting all your 49 Bowmans together and arranging them differently. That's kind of like. Is that curation? It's curation within the. Within the already curated collection and having fun and seeing the different combinations that you can do. Vintage Oddball Rick says I love collecting history. Rare cards with the story is what I like to collect. Like that you cannot argue with that. That is Rick knows what he likes. I love that comment and there's a lot here. So law. Oh here. Oh, here's a comment to. Yankees fan says I was at a show today. I bought four cards. I would have never guessed when I left this morning, you guys, some of you have heard me say that before. There's nothing better than. Well, there might be something but there's nothing better than going to a. Going to the national or the Expo, whatever show it is and not knowing what you're going to leave with. I say it all the time. I love not knowing what I'm going to find and what I'm going to buy. And it happens at every show. You just don't know. And many unless you have a very set and restricted want list and that is what you live by, which is fine. That's. That's another great way to. To be a hobbyist. So Alex says ownership all day Ownership and Beckett magazine is what got me into the hobby. Everything else is a bonus. I can see that the chase, the. The discovery is, is A bonus. And it's a, it's a great bonus. Jeff Hart says, one thing that's kept me from being full time in the hobby is not being able to have the same level of ownership of my collection if I had to rely on just that as income. Fair comment. Philippelli says hello to all of us. Hello, Jeremy Filipelli, Good to see you. Splenda says, I like putting my cards in stands and playing with them like action figures till my mom calls me for dinner. Flint hall says the hobby would be dead without Chris Hoage. He is the standard bearer, a goat by all definitions. You have a big fan there, Chris. In, in Flint hall and in others. Tell us how you really feel, Flint. Appreciate that. Can I, can I chime in real quick? Just on one point. I think that was articulated somewhere along the way, and it's, it connects to ownership. And Jay Lee, you've. You've made some really good points about discovery and the chase. And I, I'm, I am conflicted in my ultimate answer of ownership. But ownership, there's, there's something that calms my anxiety and it's like the knowledge of the fish has been reeled in and I've, you know, I've caught the fish, right? Like, and, and when you get to the word fulfillment, that's what sort of lines up for me. And again, like, I'm someone that doesn't even always have direct physical access to my cards, but it's a mental thing in my head knowing I have that card. Like, I might think about it in a faculty meeting. I might think about it at the dentist office. I might think about it in all sorts of areas. And it, it sort of like grounds me and calms me and makes me feel good about my life. I totally hear that, Joe. You know, I, I run my life. I stay organized with, to do lists. I have, you know, just keep a piece of paper with scribbles on it and every, you know, just to kind of the, the current one on the go is that right there, you know, and I just add them where there's room. And then eventually I bring out a new clean piece of paper and I start a new one. I transpose over the ones that haven't been crossed off yet and I start again. But every time I scribble something out, it's a feeling of accomplishment and it keeps me motivated to scratch more things off the list to do. Lists for me are an incredible just get things done tool, and they keep me productive. And I feel that, that. I feel that in what you were saying, Joe, you, you know, I want, I want certain cards. Like last year at the National, I wanted the, the 41 play ball. Joe DiMaggio. I obsessed over it for months and months and months. When I got it, it was like, all right, scratch that one off the list. I don't need to worry about it anymore. So the hunt was a lot of fun. Scratching off the list was a lot of fun. And now I get a ton of fulfillment from owning that card. So it is a hard one to pick which of these again, I can easily omit the fifth one, but the first four, man, it's tough. I mean, even we're talk. We're focusing so much right now on ownership, the Chase or the Hunt, and not even the research. And what Chris said, Discovery. I love discovery, which to me is closer related to Chase and the Hunt, Chris versus the research. You know what I'm saying? Like, discovery can be two different things, I guess. But curation, display and, and expression are all also so much fun in all of this. So anything to say, Chris, Josh or Joe, before I go to a few comments and we add one more person to the panel, just one quick thing about discovery. I mean, discovery is very interesting because in some instances it might be to a specific exemplary card, and in other moments it might be a sort of conceptual notion of the card exists, if that makes sense. Right. Like the discovery of this particular, you know, 48 leaf. Jackie, maybe I'm like foreshadowing who might show up here. I don't know. And then in other instances it might be, you know, a Steph Curry, one of one that I didn't know existed. Right. So like there's, there's different Topps of discovery. And I think, I think that's actually kind of important because it will probably be a little bit connected to your style of collecting. Like, I know HOJ probably has a pretty strong sense of all the really big cards that he might be interested in. Like, that they're out there, like the concept of them. So I don't know how much discovery, but I also know that sometimes he discovers things that are maybe not like totally in his main lane, but that are just a little bit off the side. And that might be Zebra fun for him, but I don't think they're quite as meaningful as the ones that are like in his main lane, where it's like, oh, it's a Jordan masterpiece. One of one. Like, we all know that card exists. There wasn't a moment of discovery of that card in the Same way that there might be of like a. A rando. One of one that we didn't know existed. Yes. There are different forms of discovery. I. I completely agree. Ho. Do you have a response? No. Okay, couple comments. Quick. Splenda here said, I watch card content to avoid discussing my emotional state. Love that one. Sammy Hill said Joe carried the first hour Jay Lee on the backs of Ruth and Cobb. I know he didn't. Thank yu-gi-oh, for covering for me when I was stormed out of here. Rick here says the chase and research is half the fun. Splenda says much easier to move on from a chick than a card. Moloko says went to the national to pick up one card, came back with five monsters. Congrats. Frank Meal says, it's like I like going to a bar and not knowing what I will leave with. Okay. Sammy Hill says, Joe's comment reminds me of the meme with the couple in bed and the wife assumes he's thinking about another girl. Meanwhile, he's wondering how his cards are doing while he's away. Very nice. Flynn hall says, I often find the chase is the real thrill. Oftentimes I'll get the grail and find it's not as satisfying as it was pursuing it. I think a lot of people do have that experience. Flint hall as well. And Jeff Hart says discovery and curation are up there for me. All right, all good stuff, everybody. Thank you for all of the comments. Chris C. We will start the show over at least the last hour, if you're just kidding. Welcome back. And guys, please welcome to the stage, the panel, none other than Mr. David Chase. Welcome back, David. What's going on? Good to see you all. Guys, who's gonna say hi to you? David. Let's. Let's get some hellos out of the crowd here, guys. Come on. Chris, Josh, Joe, say hello. Yu-Gi-Oh How dare you, Chris. Good to see you all. What's up, D. Chase. Good to have you. Thanks, buddy. I appreciate it. Are you coming in fresh or did you happen to listen to any of this? Where are you at? I. I listened to a few minutes of it, of what you guys were talking about. I can say like a really quick thing to kind of go ahead the discussion. Yu-Gi-Oh like, of course, ownership is always great, but I kind of just like what you were literally just saying was the thing that was on my mind is there's many, many times that when I have been pursuing a card and I've been wanting it for a long time or a set or a player, that when I ended up getting it. I didn't feel very fulfilled, and for some reason, it just, like, didn't resonate with me. And then I go back into curation. And for me, curating my collection is one of my favorite parts, which I know sounds very weird, and that goes into selling also. Sometimes selling is, like, a relief for me in some ways, because I've been, like, pursuing a certain lane, and then I'm like, I don't even love this lane anymore. What am I doing? And I'm, like, pursuing the lane just to pursue it, because I said I was going to do it. And, like, I. I'm like, I can give up. It's okay for me to give up. You know? Like, this is what happened with me with the Retirado set. All right. I was, like, trying to get, like, all of them or most of the hall of Famers, and then I just kind of got bored, and I'm like, do I really care about a Bobby Dore returado card? Not really. And then I ended up, like, curating a bunch of them. I ended up keeping, like, eight, and I still have two that I'm missing, but, like, they are not hot on my list, even though I still like them. So that's just part of me. I love curating. I love to, like, get the cards I think I like and then kind of condensing them down to what I really love. And then just the one thing that you said that kind of makes me laugh about, like, displaying or showing off cards, even though I know I've been doing that, like, very, very recently on Instagram, that is not me in any way. I do not care about showing off my cards. I have friends of mine who get mad at me for, like, picking up a card. Be like, you Beckett that up and you didn't tell me. No, I don't. I don't always do that. I feel like it's a little bit bragging, and it's just, like, kind of not my personality to do that in some ways. And it's a little bit showing off, and sometimes it just makes me feel uncomfortable to do that kind of thing. So I'm collecting for myself sometimes to, like, show my dad or, like, you know, maybe like, the friends that I was doing this with to, like, figuring out and like to show that person. But I'm not just, like, showing my, like, my new pickups of the day kind of thing in normal life, except now on Instagram, which I'm embarrassed about. Well, but. But, David, the only thing I'll say to that is that that's kind of what hobby Instagram is for. You know, it's, it is a, it is a, a collection for the most part a collection of card accounts. Right? A lot of accounts on Instagram have their card account. A lot of people have their card account and then they have their, their regular life friends and family and kids and job account where they share other things with because they, in a way, you know, they're embarrassed of the hobby, some people so they keep it to the card account and to that community where everyone gets it. So I hear what you're saying and you are new to Instagram so I understand that. But I think, I think you can, you might over time realize that it's okay to share your cards on there. That's what it's part of what it's for, you know, because the more and also there are benefits to it, which you're probably already experiencing. The more you show your cards and share them on there, the more you're going to build your community and have opportunities to find more cards. Whether it's upgrades or new cards or you know, transactions that are going to make for helping your collection out. It's kind of for that. But I hear, I hear what you're saying still. So you know, the other thing when it comes to discovery is and Joe and I used to do this more than we do now. Joe's been working a lot so we don't, you know, I've been doing this more with David lately is discovering with a friend and you know, being on the phone till late at night with your computers open, you know, you're searching, you're using auction wire to search all the platforms, you're using card ladder to see what's, you know, what prices make sense at, at different levels and you're hunting for new or just whatever things to buy. That is a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun to just to discover either by yourself or together with like minded. That's why we, we get along because a lot of us, we have this in common. What we don't all have to collect the same sets, players, eras or sports. But obviously having the hobby in common is a wonderful thing. We're so fortunate to have our hobby, all of us, not just the five, everybody 224 people with us right now, all 224 plus five here, all 229 of us have this in common together. That is, we are so fortunate. But when you have the specific in common and you see these happening on Instagram group chats. There's Griffey group chats and Jordan group chats and Luca group chats and all these different things. Vintage group chats. Like that makes it. That's just community. We are, we are social animals, us human beings. That's what we are. And some of us more so than others. But Yu-Gi-Oh I, I, I, I just love everything about this hobby. Even David convinced me a little bit on the moving on from a card thing. A little bit. But not the fact, because I say it all the time. We are allowed to change our mind. We are allowed to fall out of love with cards. So when I fall out of love with the card and I move on from it, Yu-Gi-Oh there's a cleansing feel to that. But when I move a card because I have to, because I need the money for real life reasons or I need to get into a Joe Jackson cracker Jack card, it's very painful. That can be very painful. Joshua Adams, please. David, you know, I heard that you fell out of love with that George Kell card. So you can contact me offline afterwards and we can work something out. So thank you. I'll go back to being on I still love that George Cal card. Sorry, Josh. We, I, I still, I still love my leaf short print hall of Famers. I'm, I'm starting to fall in love with the, with my leaf hall of Famers that are not short prints, that are not the most iconic rookies. But the short print ones are still in my heart, Josh. Sorry about that. They're the best. Yep. Yu-Gi-Oh so Joe, since you were on earlier in the show, we did see that Celebrini card cell and I don't think you were here for the discussion about his relationship with the warriors and, and Steph and Draymond and all that. But you know, you are in the Bay Area and Celebrini is on your San Jose Sharks. That is now the highest selling. It's the third highest selling card of all time hockey card. And it only missed number two by $9000. It just shy of it's over 1,000,281, 000. Where the second highest card before that was 1,000,290. Basically the same price. What? Except that the time value money does shift. So it's a bit cheaper now actually. But with all that said, Joe, what are your thoughts on that? You're in the area. Do you hear the scuttlebutt by the water cooler about Macklin Celebrini? Do you think it's how tuned into him. And do you think it matters that he is buddies with these guys on the warriors because you weren't here for that before. Absolutely think it matters that his dad's been, you know, associated with the warriors as a, a trainer for, you know, the last decade and, and, you know, through the dynasty, or quote, unquote dynasty, the four championships that the warriors one-of-one I don't hear him that much in my day to day, to be honest. Like, water cooler chatter. I don't know if that's a byproduct of, like, hockey's relevance. I hear him a lot more just in the hobby at large and, and kind of like listening to content. What I will say though, like, from a personal standpoint is that an association with like, Steph Curry is, is not a bad thing and that I think he's probably been able to like, pick up on certain things that NBA stars have had to deal with and that, that probably will serve him well moving into hopefully a long and prosperous career. And the kid just has like, along with, like, I've watched a little, and I'm not a hockey expert, but he's. He's really good with the puck. Right? Like, he's really good skater. He's really dexterous in his movements and he's got just a lot of charisma. Like, he's, he's a sweetheart of a young man and really compelling, I would say. So good, good things ahead, I think, for Macklin. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh that all. That all matters for sure. So I, I just asked because I'm. I still have it up on my other monitor here at the $1.281 million, and it's amazing. That's amazing. Thanks for tuning in and being a part of the sports cards live community. Don't forget to, like, subscribe and most of all, keep collecting. Collecting more great content to come. Sports cars is a lifestyle. Are you looking for a new favorite podcast? Are you looking for a podcast about movies? Are you looking for a podcast that strictly covers 80s 90s, 2000s movies? Are you looking for a podcast that's going to be doing movies like so I Married an Axe Murderer, Hot Tub Time Machine, Grandma's Boy and Ghost? Well, then you just found it. 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