Am I A Chopped Unc? 🫪 | The Crossover 5.22.26

Hello, everybody. Welcome to the crossover. Today is Friday, May 22, and Brohio says, hey, look, it's another business segment of collector's universe making us wait because we are starting late tonight, waiting for game three, the Western Conference finals, to finish up. Zing Zoo. Except we make them wait 30 minutes and not a hundred business days. All right, Zing. Let's get the show on the road since we are starting late and quickly rifle through any mail days we may have. Christina, you're up, if you have any. Josh, I have so many mail days from this year, I'm just kind of like randomly choosing ones to show. What I'll show today is, is the 2025 Prison Black Finite Christian McCaffrey, which completes the nine card base set Prison Black Finite run for McCaffrey. So amazing fun card. We'll get that slabbed up at the National. Then I face the question of. So I think I have three that are in BGS holders, and that will make six in psa. And then it just becomes a question of, do I put them all into BGS or beaches? Do I. Do I need to make them uniform? Do you keep the run going with tops, chrome super fractures? I'm initially against it, so we'll see. Probably not. I would consider that a separate run, I think, anyway, but. All right, let's get to a bunch of questions, and we're gonna keep this thing to 60 minutes because. Because we are late. So we're gonna try to expeditiously fly through a bunch of questions. What's up, Rodman Martinez? All right. Up first from Cajun cardboard, there were 300 plus basketball cards. Basketball cards, not total cards. In the May fanatics premiere. Is more cards better or is there a risk? Josh, what do you say? Risk for what? Risk for what? Because if the risk is the price going down, I would say that's a positive. Yeah, it did seem it was a lot, right? How many are normally in a. In a premiere, it's much less. Right. It's been ticking up. So in 2024, there was usually about 100 total cards in the entire Premiere. In 2025, that started getting up to 200, 300 by the end of the year. And now this year, this most recent one had 600, but we've been pushing up towards 600 consistently. There's just like a lot of new cards, like Panini stuff still selling. The old top stuff is still selling. And now we have all this new top stuff. There's just a lot of cards. And to your point on, we were talking about earlier. There's just a lot of new types of cards. Tops is creating, you know, top, there's super factor autos, there's super factor Bass, there's variation, there's now the gold shields. Totally. Christina, this ties into something I think you, myself, Joel, Kyle see every night, which is that there's just a lot more sales across the board. Do you agree with that? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah. I think we, we just see there's. There's increased volume in the premiere. There's increased volume at every tier of sports cards right now. There's just more for sale, there's more people buying and it's. I think to Brian's bigger question, I think a wider supply is going to tend to flatten out prices and hopefully smooth out the growth rate a little bit and not make it get too extreme because there's more stuff to choose from even if there's more people coming in and there's more money to spend. Yeah. And it's just, it's not just sports cards. You said more sports cards sales coming in every night, but we're seeing it across the board. Totally. Absolutely. Do you think there's more basketball last night because people are trying to sell during the playoffs or something? Gotta be. Yeah. I mean there were some big Anthony Edwards cards, Luga cards, SGA cards. There's some jokers in there of some. A huge, you know, million plus LeBron card. Million dollar plus LeBron card. So I think probably the playoff momentum was a factor and people decide. Remember, you have to decide like unless you have cards in the vault and you can like sort of flash them into the premiere, you have to like make that. You have to plan for that a few months ahead, don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I would say the. If you see like Ant and these types of players selling, they're hoping to sell when those players and teams were peaking and it didn't work out timing wise. Yeah. Okay. Or they were like, oh, big Wembies too. Or they were thinking that they'd still. Right. In the playoffs at this point. Right, right, exactly. It's a lot of planning ahead because like yeah, end of April there wasn't much going on and just like early first round stuff. Yeah, yeah. All right. From cards, Chris, will these 2025 tops Chrome Football Super Fracture prices hold up or is it just hype? So this is narrowly focusing to the 2025 Topps Chrome Football Super Fracture prices. Now I don't have any specific sales of that in mind or really have a General sense of what that means. Josh, do you. Yes, I have bought a few non rookie Cooper cup black finites and I think I buy them in like the 1500-2000 dollar range. And I was watching his base super Fracture sell the other night and I was in the running for it and then it sold for like five grand. So it's like. Yeah, it's like 2.2.5x like like black finite stuff. And it's like his Ram stuff is definitely more popular because he's more of like obviously like a Rams guy. So the Seahawks would bring the price down I would think. But yeah, it sold for a lot. Damn. Where did that. That was on ebay. Oh yeah. I was like in it and then I just you know, did the last minute thing. It might have been, it might have been in the 4Ks. Let me look though. I know it was over 4 grand. That is unbelievable. Wow. And I was watching that AJ Green too. All right, well there's a good example of a price. It's just like way, way more expensive than the end of panini stuff right now. For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So okay, well that. So, so the, so there's an. There's a good example and then the question becomes. Okay, so like here's another example. Patrick Mahomes 2025 tops Chrome Variation Image Variation sold for 168 000. The Super Fracture PSA9 with Fanatics Premiere. So that's, that's a huge price. And I don't know, do you feel like these are. These are selling for more than. Than say like a random black finite wood for these guys? Yes. Yeah. So then isn't that maybe like the, the longer term horizon here is that that's probably where it will norm or. Well, where it will end up flattening out to is like black finites 5600. Dude. Dude. Wow. Man. That's all. That is really strong. Yeah, that's like really high because Cooper cup stuff's not that expensive. That's a lot, right? Yeah, it's like. It's probably just a lot of fanatics getting a license first year hype and we, I mean we usually see a pretty high price when products first come out. Like even when Prism came out, the finites and stuff were going expensive. So there's. It's just a whirlwind of factors there. Timing. Yeah. Yeah. And it's new. Like when the net, when the prism Nebulas first came out, those were really like aggressively pursued and we're selling really strong. 5600. Yeah. That's unbelievable. For old Cooper Cup. All right. It's more expensive than my car. That's not saying much. Okay, let's. There. Oh, there it is right there. Cooper cup number 271. 5600. Amazing. Okay, up next we have from Jam Collectibles. Please discuss the incredible quote unquote sales of fanatics cards. This is like it's people are laundering money. Is that what this is? I think this is in specific reaction to the $2 million sales last night. Probably even more specifically the Josh Allen $1.3 million sale for his unredeemed gold NFL logo man autograph. But I think you had to take that. If not for those two sales, then it's a pretty standard premiere, right? Yeah, I think, I think so. I think there was still like some upward price movement on things. But you know, if you do, if you, if you get rid of those, then yeah, you've got a more or less a stand, a premiere with more cards. But. But prices that aren't as eye popping. People are still paying 200 grand for Shea Gilgamest napkin patches out of 99. Yeah, yeah. The NTPSA 10 and the Anthony Edwards same thing. Good grief. Those patches are awful. Right? Hey, Ryan Donner 3918 says my Friday night party routine is eating an entire deep dish pizza. 35 minute nap and then the crossover. Am I chopped? No. Am I a chopped unk? Oh, am I a chopped dunk? Well, that might be the. That might be the best comment I've ever seen on the crossover. Just. Just so good. I also, I also took a nap right before the crossover because I was not watching that game. Like I'll issue a ruling right now. If you can house an entire deep dish pizza. You ain't. You are not checking chopped. You, you. You are thriving. Dude, I love house in a pizza, but a deep dish, that's tough. That's tough, man. Even in your prime of food munching, that's tough. Yeah, that's like a wheel of cheese. 35 minutes is so specific. I love that. Yeah, he cooked. All right. From itl Cards. Are you three considering looking into collecting any new players? So we didn't get this question for the first two shows. Oh, and by the way, announcements, we not gonna have shows next week or the week after. This is the only show for the next three weeks, so enjoy. All right, so ideal coach. Anyway, are you three considering new collecting new players? I've been seeing Christina growing and sharing her otter collection. I've been. So just to touch on this, I've been slightly collecting Otter and Dallas Stars cards since we moved to Dallas. I just never really shared them because the people who I knew who collected hockey made fun of me for collecting a goalie because they were like, no one collects a goalie. Christina, stop being weird. And I was just like, I. Like, they all tried to push me to collect other players on the team, so I dabbled in those players, but I never really felt a calling to it. So, yeah, that's. And then after the west coast card show in February, where Jeremy Lee, like, gave me the green light to collect goalie. Like, to collect my goalie, I've just been like, yeah, like, I don't care. Like, here's my goalie, PC guys. But, yeah, cool. That's kind of how that goes. Well, given that I'm collecting, like, any type of football, it's usually new players are coming in and out anyways. So. Yeah, there's not, like, one specific person I'm targeting, you know? Totally. All right. I'm. I'm in the same boat too, actually. Like, recently, I've been more so looking at card types, like, the last few months and. And then sort of like, permitting a wider range of players, which is a slightly different approach. I'm still looking at Top Scrum super fracture sales. So Derrick Henry's 2025 top scrum super had a best offer accepted two days ago. What do you think that went for? Like, 8,000? Yeah, I was gonna say 77. 7,500. Yeah, I'd be pretty good at guessing players like that right now. Yeah, but that's like. That's about. What does Black Finites do? So I don't know why clubs jumped up so much. Yeah, that's a good point. I would just like to address the chat comment that David wrote. Yes, Everyone, collect what you like. Right? Right. Yeah. Okay. I see Jonathan Taylor's tops. Chrome Base super fractor. Sold on. On exactly seven days ago. May 15th. What about that one? Best. Best offer. Six grand? Four. Four grand. Cooper cups the goat. What about 2025 Topps Chrome? Bobby Wagner in a Washington commander's uniform. A thousand bucks? That was an auction. Three grand. Whoa. Okay. Yeah, I mean, so it's like any. Any player just gets, like, a bunch of money. Yeah, I guess so. And it seems like the auction platform is going higher. Okay, so what about this JJ McCarthy 2025 Top Scrum Super? Dude, that card should be, like, 500 bucks, but I don't know, like, 6 grand. 3 400. Sheesh. Yeah. Did you see the Tetera Macmillan? I know it's the variation, but that one, it's a rookie and that went less than the cup. Wow. Oh, here's a fun one. Taysom Hill. That. That card should be like 500 bucks too. It ain't. It's a best offer. Two grand. I don't know. 2600. People just like want the super fractures. It seems they. It might be just like. People think this is like the big set to chase right now because it's the first year back. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't. I don't find these sales to be super outlandish. Like. No, the Henry's makes sense. Yeah. Two 2500 for Taysom Hill. Come on. Yeah, yeah, that's. Yes. He's. He's also quarterback, right? Indeed. Oh, how about Ricky Piersoll? Best offer. Don't forget he got shot in San Francisco. I mean, again, this should be like a 500 card. He's. There's your cultural premium. The. The gunshot wound. He needs to wear a dress next time. Two grand. A thousand. All right, I'll do one more and I'll stop. Jared Verse of the ram. Jared verse. Three grand. 1750. All right, fun game. There's a Jefferson insert. Super fracture. Justin Jefferson, UV13 Gold. Yeah. 4, 500. Okay. Dude. AJ Green's rookie super fracture. There's only one. There's not a variation. Sold for 8, 000. All right. Just crazy. I'd rather have that one. Me too. Okay, let's move on here. So up next we have a sports card aesthetic for NBA superstars. Is winning two rings the new one ring? Given how many greats actually have multiple titles, it seems like all time greatness really starts at two rings. Or is two rings the new three? Meaning the league is so stacked with talent today and it's difficult to maintain your team. That two is actually quite a bit. Does anyone have two lately? I don't think there's been a repeat winner for a long time. It's like basically Duran Curry. Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. But let's talk about the asterisks that will be on this current administration who is pushing forth agenda of. Can't look at him versus they get to play football on the court. This is not going to end well for the NBA. So I, I just like, I, I see this as them trying to be like, oh, you know she's gonna win a second one. It's like, go fuck yourself. Like, no One likes to watch this. Like, I don't even believe Oklahoma City fans like to watch this. Like, they're just so deluded in their loser mentality of losing Westbrook, Durant and Hardin, like at what could have been their peak prime, that they're just like, we deserve this, therefore, like, we're gonna turn a blind eye on all this egregious behavior that's up and down the court. The NBA, more than any league I think right now has continuously has, allows the perception to exist that the winning team are the bad guys. And it's been that way in the NBA for a while. And I, you know, this isn't the venue to investigate why that is, but it's an interesting problem that the NBA has and I would say, like to more specifically answer this question that I, I think the, I think any attempt to reduce a player to a team accolade is failed, is a failed mission from the start. So if we're trying to, you know, kind of compare, like what does it mean for a superstar in today's era to win a title versus what did it mean somebody to do it in the 70s? There's so much context that has nothing to do with any individual player that needs to get applied. You need to think about how many other teams were in the league. You need to think about how important was role playing and how important was having a good bench. How much of a role did the coach play? There's so many factors that go into team success that I just kind of, you know, I don't. It would be, it would be flailing on my behalf to try and like give star players credit for titles when, you know, there it's, it's a team sport. And I would, I would adjust the perspective here. If we're trying to evaluate accolades for individual players, I would stick to individual accomplishments, not team accomplishments. That's my take. What do you say, Josh? Yeah, I saw this question and I just thought I'd rather count MVPs, just way easier. Especially that we don't have any back to back champions. Dude, I just went to espn.com and on their main site shows like the Box Score. But the main video and like imagery is about the shoving match in the third quarter. And the entire broadcast tonight was focused on like talking about flailing and flopping and fouls and whether Shay deserves it or not or why he flops. And it's like even the NBA, just, even the NBA can't even like skid on the same page. Like if you guys want these Guys to win and you're gonna call these fouls, then, like, you guys should all be on the same page. Instead, they're, like, pushing it that they're. They know it sucks. It's just so weird, dude. Last year, Doris Burke in the playoffs, I think it was the finals. I'm not sure, though. Literally said online they call Shay the foul merchant because she didn't understand that was a bad thing. She did mean it as a compliment. Yeah. Yeah. To the line. Yeah. Like, he knows how to get to the line. Yeah. Reggie was like, well. Or was it Crawford? He's like, yeah. Crawford was like, well, if he's falling over, isn't that an advantage for the other team? That's actually good. He's doing them a favor. It's like, what. It has a lot of gymnastics. It's been tough to listen to NBA commentary for a long time. Yeah. And when was the last time that a serious journalist was employed by one of the major media partners to actively cover a game? You know, it's basically a jobs program now for retired players. I know you don't watch the halftime show, but I watch it just because of how much I hate it. Carmelo Anthony is the worst commentator I've ever seen. He is. He makes Barkley look like a genius. It's so bad. Yeah. He's just like, you need to do more of ISO. You get the ball. It's like, dude, you. All you do is ISO. Your whole career is a joke. You never even made it to the. You may only. You never made it to the finals. And you're giving. You're giving advice, like, how to get to the finals. It's crazy. Yeah. So I think that the NBA would be a better product for the audience if they stopped hiring ex players and WNBA players that don't actually, one, watch all the games. Like, if that's your job, like, do your job. Like, actually watch the games. And then two, they don't know ball. Like, bring on the paper thinking basketball guy. Or like. Like someone who's a little bit more cerebral, please. Yeah. It's always bothered me when ex players who made hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of their careers now are taking jobs from people who aspire to and are probably much better than them at covering the sport. That's true. Plus, like, never mind. It's a different job. It's a different job. It's not playing basketball. It's commentating on basketball. It's a different job. It should be filled by professionals who do that job. It Just, you're right. It makes no sense. And especially there's so many videos on X this year of Shaq just, like, not knowing teams and players. It's just really bad. Like, he doesn't know their records. He doesn't know who's on the teams. He forgets, like, that they got traded. He doesn't know anything. He doesn't know. All he knows is that, like, big men should dominate. Isn't that, like, also a skit that's been running for, like, five years on their own show is like, shaq, name five people on this team. Like, they can't. Well, that was like, can't do it. That was like, end of the bench, guys. Now it's like they can't name the six men and stuff. It's getting worse. Yeah. And they're getting older and stuff. And they just like, and they obviously don't like ESPN as much, you know, so they're just, like, actively giving up. Yeah, yeah. And just to give this question one last, like, attempt before moving on, if, if this question is like, framed in a hobby context, like, do the current stars need more titles or less? I think it's all about, you know, deep playoff runs. You know, that's when a lot of people first start paying attention during the season. And so, like, to the extent that, that kind of informs popularity and collectibility and so forth, like, yeah, like, I, I, I think a championship today is, is, you know, worth less than one 10 years ago when there were many more people watching the, I think, I think the ratings were about twice that what, what they are what they. Ten years ago, the ratings and the finals are about twice what they are today. And they, in the 90s, ratings are about three times as large as the ratings are today. So I actually think, like, in order to create cultural memories and create an imprint from, from deep playoff runs, I think you, you need, you would probably need more titles today to equate to what players did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago. Just a thought. Do you know why we were 30 minutes late? Why there were 66 free throws in this game? The third quarter had, like, 30 free throws. Well, you know what's funny is that some fan bases, when they see Mark Davis, they say, all right, forget it. It's just going to be a hack fest. No fouls are going to be called. Mark Davis's crews do not call fouls. And then they probably called the most fouls of any game in the playoffs so far this year. I mean, 66 free throws, it felt like that the whole second half was just a free throw parade. I mean, at this point it should be like, just line up the fucking teams on opposite ends of the the court, put a split screen, and let's just see who could make the most free throws in the allotted time of the game. That'd be more entertaining. There was like three. I remember three jumpers that Shay took where I was like, come on, seriously, that's a foul. And like the. Even like Stefan Castle is just like, dude, what are we. Are we even playing basketball right now? What is happening? He. It's just the players are like actively giving up in their faces. What? This is the joke. And this whole like, up fake and then throw your body and like trim the side of them is just total crap. Nobody like, just don't call that ever. Nobody wants that to be a foul. It's supposed a, that's not supposed to be a foul because it's not a natural shooting motion. And then B, flopping is supposed to be a technical. Oh, they haven't called that in three years, dude. They could have called 30 tonight. So that's. The league wants this. That's. That's the only conclusion. The problem though, dude, is that like, now everybody has to do it, right? The league wants it this way. Like, but. So the league is like, keep doing this, refs. We want more. It just doesn't make any sense. They could put an end to this in two seconds. Just stop calling them. Yeah. If you care about your team winning next year, like, if you want your team to win next year, then you're hoping that your coaching staff is watching these playoffs and then your training camp next year, it's going to be a bunch of 2 a days. In the first half of the day, you're going to practice your flopping for three hours. In the second half of the day, you're going to practice fouling while hiding your hands and not getting called. Well, Wendy had to do it. He was like going to the left and Hardenstein put his hand in and he had to flail to the side and chuck a horrible jumper and it's a foul. It's like, dude, this is gross. Right? Right. So, like, if, like, if you're rooting for a team and you want to see them win, you're hoping that they're paying attention to how the game is being played and officiated because that you need to hack and you need to flop. That's though. That is what's being rewarded. All right, up next we have from Drake's PC. When the market is hot, it can be difficult to acquire cards for your collection. What's up, Drake? It's great to have you back, Drake. In a market like we are in now, how do you decide which rare cards of the player or players you collect? You should pay up for now versus waiting. Are there certain characteristics of rare cards that make them more likely to end up with the flippers versus the collectors? So this is a market timing question for the type of cards that you like. It speaks to your Cooper cup abstention. Yeah, but your answer to this question is all of them. He's like, which ones should you buy? And you're just like, every single one. Every time a one on one comes up, I'm buying it. Yeah, yeah, but it has to. But you know, the point, the other point to this is that like the price has to make sense. Right? Like so, for example, you know, as I was scrolling through these top Scrum super practice sales, one of the more ridiculous sales that I saw was because I, you know, it's all the sports that are showing up. One of the more ridiculous sales I saw was that Jokic's first tops Chrome super factor sold for $97,000. That's a card that I love, but I don't like it even at 20 of that price. Right. So you know, I, that's a great example of like. But it's, it's even more extreme than what Drake's asking. That's an example where like I'm not buying it at this price probably. And I'm probably never buying it. Well, the Wemby out of 50 sold for double that, so. But it had an autograph. Oh, okay, got it. Yeah, it's a good point. But like, I guess one of the things we do is just like pivot into something that's not as hot or like. Exactly. Hasn't ratioed as much stuff that people are ignoring and then picking up those types of one on ones. But even, even some of that is, you know, jumping up just as much or people are like, oh, this is going up. So I'm just gonna hold this, you know. Yeah, man, I, it's like I try to calibrate my expectations properly. I have to operate within my own budget and then you know, I can assist the process by trying to discover things and research and find things and that, that's actually been quite fruitful in this, in this heating up market environment that we're in. But I, I just don't know if I. The timing thing has Always struck me as very difficult to figure out. So I think, kind of Josh, to your original comment, it's like, rather than trying to time it, if I have a lot of conviction around a card, if I really want a card, then when it comes up, that's kind of when I gotta move. So, yeah, I think, I think Drake is saying difficult to acquire. Like, he's having a hard time getting people to be reasonable with prices because they're seeing all these, you know, extravagant sales and they want a piece of that. Yeah, Yep. I agree. All right, from cards Clown, who are the bigger villains? The high end set collectors who lock away a player collector's holy grail or the player super collectors who will break up a master set. Have you ever done the ladder? Have you broken up rainbows before? Oh, of course. Actually, I've been. I've had a couple where they make me buy the whole rainbow and I just want the finite. I bought like 50 Todd Gurley cards once and I just plucked out the finite and I literally like trashed half of them. Right, right. Who's the bigger villain? I mean, a set master set collector. Get out of here. Yeah, I mean, we're gonna collect the whole set of every parallel of every plague. I mean, you don't get dibs on every single one. Yeah, like, you want the black one of one or the super fracture of every player from the set. Like, Right. Come on. Either of those are villains, by the way. Are we just gonna take that for granted? Is that. It's relative. It's relative. Right, right. But like, if I'm collecting the Maxi Cleaver, like, right, Like Rainbow and some assholes like, no, I want. I need the black one of one for my master set. It's like, guy, let me own it. Like, come make me an offer when it's the last card you need for the set. Like, leave me, like, go get LeBron and Luca and Jokic and Wemby and then come at me, but don't, like, lock up my player because you think that you're somehow going to put together the entire 300 card set in a one of one. Meanwhile, I'm looking for an out of five and can't find it for the last six years. So definitely they're the worst villain. But I'm also biased because I'm not other side of that. Right? Yeah. There's not going to be a ton of sympathy for like master set collectors here among these, among the three of us, I don't think. Wow. All right, so there's A really interesting comment in the chat that foreshadows a question that comes later but I think like it's a good time to talk about it now. Jeff Wills says brady non playing year 1 of 1 for 324000 that was a tops chrome super fractor of his autograph with an autograph that was in a Bucks uniform I believe that sold last night. Why Bucks uniform? I don't know. 324000 they could. And then he, he goes they could do another super fracture for the next 40 years. It is so stupid buying non playing years. And then that echoes this question here from Rookie Moonshots, which goes into even more depth on the same topic. It's a really interesting topic, Rookie Moonshot says. I'd love to hear you guys talk about non plain days cards and whether they are a long term thing threat to the bull market. I don't see it as an imminent threat, but if the best card of a retired player can be printed today, then it can just as easily be replaced by a new best card tomorrow. At what point does this cut away at the incentive to really try and collect the player's best cards? Also, wouldn't this disincentivize investing in cards? Imagine thinking you had a player's best card only to realize, oh nope, Topps made five cards better than this this year alone. Also, from a more hobby or collector centric focus, non playing days cards, especially for players who had the majority of their career after 1993, which was the beginning of the refractor era, they seem to just feed the industry side of this. If new best cards come out all the time, the collector is constantly in a rat race that never ends. And this is exactly what the manufacturers want. Preach. Christina, what do you say? I mean, yeah, like, like Josh said, like you're preaching to the choir here. But also, you asked why was it a Bucks uniform? Obviously so they could release the Patriots one next year for a bigger price tag. Because if they released the Patriots one first, that one would have gone for whatever and then the Bucks one would have been a fraction of that. If they do it this way, where they're building up to the better one, all the Brady collectors will be like, well if the Bucks one is 325 or 324, whatever it was, then the Patriots one should be like at least 7x that or 6x that because that's how many rings you won with them. Like yeah, totally. Okay. I think, I think there's two different points of view on this and I want to isolate them. There's one point of view that says like this is problematic for the market as a whole. This is going to depress prices. As rookie Moonshot says, this could be a threat to the bull market. And then there's different point of view that sort of, that's, that doesn't take the point of view of the whole market but instead just takes view the individual collector and it just sort of says, you know, suppose that you know, many of the cars are. All the cars that, that you would love even more are not available. So this is the best alternative available. And the fact that there's, you know, it's post playing days and that there could potentially be more of them to come out later, that all these things exist, that, that actually maybe makes it a little more affordable for you as a collector. There is this other side of the coin that says, you know, people want to collect stuff and they want to be able to get cards and, and I don't know, 99 of the, of, of the, the cards that I want at any given time are not available. So if a new card gets added to the mix, that is awesome. Then that's a shot to get a cool card where. Whereas there's not really many opportunities. What do you think about that, Josh? It's interesting, you know, like there's just more options. The thing I'm thinking about though is like in a world where we're not printing trillions of dollars every year, which we are, but in the world that we're not, it is like a zero sum game of like collectors are moving the money amongst each other and then the, the tops would just be like pulling more and more money out. The more of these cards they print, the more hype they put into the boxes and the breaks and they just like consume more of that money and take it away from collectors. So that's the part that worries me and that's like kind of what I'm thinking about with his bull comment, bull market comment. Like he's worried about just like top sort of like overdoing it and they're kind of showing us their cards that they're willing to make like that, that Brady is called Topps Chrome Legend. So they could just slap the word legend on it, print Brady cards infinitely. He's probably got a non auto, he's probably got a variation etc and to your point, next year there'll be Patriots versions and we'll just keep doing this forever. I just, I'm, you know, I'm a little bit worried that, like, we're just gonna extract more money from collectors this way. And it, on the surface, they're gonna pitch it as like, hey, this is great. You guys have more options now. Totally. Yeah, I agree. I, I think it's definitely, you know, it's, it's, it, it's definitely a device used to sell products and it's, and it's not a tool that they're going to put back in their toolkit anytime soon. They're going to continue to use it. And, and theoretically it's, it's, it's completely sound. And I agree. It's, it's just a, it's a, it's, it's nothing more or less than sort of a supply and demand observation that if we continue to add great cards to the sandbox, the sandbox gets larger and it dilutes the offering. And if the offering gets diluted not only every season, but every product, that, that, that can certainly deflate prices. But, but, you know, there, there are, like, there are other sides to this. Okay. And so here's one of the ones that I always think about. I personally think that Michael Jordan, as an, as an example of a player who hasn't had an NBA licensed card since 2009. 10. So however, you know, 16. Roughly 16 to 17 years. So in other words, an entire generation of new collectors have watched box breaks, gone to the local hobby shop, picked up NBA products, and have never seen one of his cards come out of a pack. They've never held one in their hand. They have no experience with it. I think that's. Actually, there's a real chance that that hurts his market because he is now irrelevant to an entire generation of collectors. And he probably will be can, you know, that will only compound as things go forward. And the alternative would be, okay, what if he was in all these products and he did get a flood of cards and he continued to, you know, have more and more cards come out from this era, the trade off would be. But he would still be highly visible and there would still be, he would, he would be kept front and center in the mind of the collector today. So I think, like, if you put, like, if you were to pull Tom Brady out of all products going forward, I think, I think there, there's a, there's a penalty that the market pays for that too, because you pull the player out of the collecting zeitgeist. Christina, what do you think about that idea? I. I just want to preface it with what you're talking about. Are collectors opening new releases because there's still wax from Jordan's playing years where they could pull like his card or win it in a break. Like there's definitely like he's still relevant. If you're opening like, I guess it's vintage now production, I think that you're, you're definitely onto something and it's a tightrope that has to be walked by manufacturers and collectors. One thing you have to think about as a collector is setting parameters on what you collect. Like that we do this for Jordan. We only collect Playing Days cards as the like main of our PC. Like sometimes we'll dabble if like, you know, if, if there's something really cool that comes out or like has been released after playing years. But, but yeah, I, I just, I think the manufacturer's job is to make money. Okay guys, like they're gonna do whatever they can for the best interest of themselves. They're not thinking like, is this sustainable for the market as a whole? We saw in the 80s how that played out with Ken Griffey Jr. Cards. Like they're not, it's not their responsibility. Like should it be? Probably, but they don't care. We live in a capitalistic society. So you're the one who has to take the responsibility of am I going to bid on a non playing years card? Am I going to buy this product where like this is the chase, like, or do I let my dollars speak for themselves and don't participate in this product because I'm not a fan of what they're doing? Yeah. So to that point, and this is the point I think Rookie Moonshots was making and I think this is the point that Jeff was making. It's incumbent upon the collector to build a sandbox that makes sense for themselves and to put the, put the boundaries around what their collecting interests are that sort of have been thought through theoretically. And if enough collectors sort of apply that strategic line of thought, there's probably, you know, like Playing Days is a, is a fine boundary and probably, you know, it's a good starting place. It's one that can work. But there's also people who only look at rookie cards and it's the same theory. It's just shrinking the sandbox to be something even smaller. Or somebody could say, I'll do, you know, of X amount of post career releases and then I'll stop. You know, it's, it's, it's incumbent upon each collector to build their sandbox as they see fit. Josh, do you have a final Thought on this topic. It's a great topic. I'm looking at the tops, chrome basketball product breakdown, and Cooper flag has 25 super fractures. There's like 10 inserts. There's the base set. There's the autograph ones, the rookie ones. How many? 25. I'm just counting them. There's like foil fractor super fractures. There's like a bunch of one on ones. Okay. And then the boxes are twelve hundred dollars a piece. And if you pull a Victor wemanyama out of 50, you get $200,000 potentially if you get a PSA 10. So there's like, it's just a frenzy of math going on of like me trying to pull this card and doing the break math, breaker math. And it's just like I'm not seeing a lot of incentives for long term collecting with these number breakdowns. That's. It's just sort of the reality of it. Frozen fractures. I forgot that one's a 26. All right, let's go on to the next question here from Neil's sports cards who says, I have heard a lot of talk about Otani being the best and the safest player to collect long term. Not from the show. No. His market is up 506% in the last two years on Card Ladders Player Index. 506%. That or a 6X. Also WEMBY is the now is now getting a lot of hype and there is talk about his all time greatness potential. Two questions. One, how should collectors who do not collect these players feel when they see so much of the hobby, energy and resources moving towards these players that they do not collect? Two, is this an overall positive or a negative for a collector who does not collect these players? Should we all rejoice? The generational. The generational athletes and talk of all time greatness brings more interest and collectors into our space. Okay, should you rejoice? Like, okay, first question. How should you feel? You should feel blessed like that you're not in this rat race that other people are jumping into because they think that or someone told them that this is a safe, amazing player to collect. Like you had an original thought. Congratulations. You should be proud of yourself. You didn't just go with the crowd. And then two, is this overall positive? Yeah, because you don't collect him. So who cares what other people are spending their money on? Let them go spend money on like let them go fight over a player you don't collect and you just go pick up the cards that you want. Like I, I just, I Don't see it. What, what's the other question? The other side here? Well, the other side I think is like, oh man. Like I was. There was so much hobby momentum for this other guy. I bought a bunch of his cards. I was very bullish on it. And now all of a sudden the energy is somewhere else. And I feel like, you know, there's. There's all the excitement that I sort of got from being a part of, of something that had. That felt like it had real momentum is now gone. It's. It's left this area and it's gone over to this other one. And I kind of feel like I'm stuck over here on an island all of a sudden. Yeah, this feels more of like a psychology question, you know, like you should be my. I guess I don't know if this is advice or whatever, but this is how I treat it. The more someone gets excited about something, the more I want to do the opposite of that thing. So it's almost like I know that probably the three of us would agree, like we get more enjoyment out of doing the opposite of whatever this stuff is. The more Ohtani, the more Pokemon, the more we just love going and finding a completely different lane and just enjoying that. It's just like finding your own, like individual space instead of just following the crowd. I mean, following the crowd is boring. The second one, is this an overall positive, a positive or a negative? For someone who does not collect these. Should we rejoice that they're bringing in? I just, I've been convinced that the more people come in does not necessarily mean it's better. And in the case right now, I feel like it's just way too much like I would much prefer a down market right now. It's been a really long bull run. I'd love to see some prices take huge hits. I could buy some more cards. I'd have more fun people leaving saying the space is overrated. I'd go back to that. Please treat us like NFTs at this rate. Yeah, totally, totally great perspectives there. I want to nitpick one little tiny non core part of this comment, which is I. I see a lot of collapsing discussions about Wemby and Ohtani as if it's the same discussion and it is. It is not. It is. There we go. And I'm rooting for Wemby right now. And I like Wemby and I think he is a spectacle to watch. I think he's a special player and I think he's got a real chance to be something incredibly special, something, something historic, something all time. I think that he has a real potential to do that. Ohtani already is that. Ohtani is already four MVPs deep. Do you know how many players in MLB history have four or more regular season MVPs? Yeah, it's just two. It's Ohtani and it's Barry Bonds and I don't know anything about baseball and I know that. And there was a big cluster of. Of three. Right. Like Ohtani was in that group last year. Judge jumped up and joined that group after last year. Three has a lot of great players. Albert Pujols, Mike Trout, Aaron Judge is in that group. But you can go back. There's lots of, that's. There's lots of all time great players in that group of three. Ohtani left up the four and he is a huge favorite to get five. And he is leading the MLB in war at this time. So Ohtani is like staring down a real shot at getting five MVPs. What odds would I need to give you to bet in the affirmative that Victor Wembanyama would get five MVPs? Now granted it's different in baseball. Baseball gives out two MVPs every year. It's a watered down. That award is worth half of what it's worth in the other sports. But what I would say 5. What odds would I need to give you to bet in the affirmative that Wembanyama would get three, which is like I say three in the NFL is probably the equivalent of five in baseball given that they give out twice as many in baseball. How like if, if I. Would you take that bet if I gave you even money so you would put a thousand dollars and then if one. Wait, no, no way. Curry doesn't have three MVPs. So what if I gave you plus 250. So no, I gave you plus 250th plus 500. No, I think the over under is like 1.8. Yeah. Okay, go ahead. First, did you. Did you want. I was just gonna say like the NBA MVP award is. Has been for three of the last like six years. So like it. There was a pity award and then two flopping awards that like if you look at the stats just don't make sense. All three of those. So I would just like to point out that like getting it in the NBA means that you're probably getting it from the NBA. Right? Fair. Definitely. Some issues with NBA awards voting, which they seem to come around every generation. There's always a blip and I Think we're in that moment right now. But notwithstanding that, the point isn't the MVP as a specific. The point is the MVP is being used as a proxy for the idea that somebody is. Somebody defined, stands out and defines himself as the best player for an. For a season, then really for an extended season. And so look, I. It's a tightrope to walk because I'm very excited about Wembanyama and I see the potential that other people see. And it's just such a fun spectacle to watch. It's quite unlike anything I've seen before. It's really fun and I hope it goes on for a long time. It's very successful. But to, you know, think that when Benyama is ready to hitch a ride on the Ohtani rocket ship, that Ohtani rocket ship is already soaring past Pluto. That thing left orbit a long time ago. Wemby is still in our atmosphere. He left Earth, but he's still in our atmosphere. So big, big difference between those two. And I know, like, Neil, I'm sorry, I know you didn't like, you're just like, observing. You're not making that comment. But I, I used your question as a, as a vehicle to get off my take, and I hope you don't mind that I did that. So. Great question, Neil. I think this is something that a lot of people are struggling with, this sort of idea that, like, man, all the energy is somewhere else all of a sudden. And do you. Do you really want to keep chasing the action like Josh? That's where I go is like, do you want to just chase the next trend or do you want to stay in your lane and wait for things to come back around? Boomerang. The crazy thing about the Wemmy and I, I can empathize now with MJ people where it's like, you know, a couple good games from LeBron earlier in his career, Kobe. And it's like, dude, it's been two games. I've been watching MJ for 15 years do this to everybody every year non stop. And now you guys do it twice and all of a sudden he's the next goat. It's similar now where it's like, Dude, I've watched LeBron play like hundreds of playoff games. Dozens. Where he's like having these insane games. The Pistons game, like all these games. And then this guy has one good playoff game and now all of a sudden he's the next. Whatever Duncan, he's the next Hakeem. It's like, dude, chill. Right? Right. Yeah. And then like that one of like the interesting residuals of that is all of a sudden people are talking about Hakeem. All of a sudden like, people are like, oh wait, yeah, like we're so impressed. Like, dude, how many career blocks does Hakeem have? How many championships did he win? What did he, oh, he played like this too. Like he, he was like really agile at the position and taking people off the dribble at over seven feet tall. Yeah. And people are talking about Kareem. Like Kareem is suddenly being discussed again for the first time in a long time. Yeah, that's one of the fun parts of that. That's like a second order effect of the of interest concentrated on a guy like Ohtani is that all of a sudden people are talking about Babe Ruth all the time or interest concentrating on Wemby. And all of a sudden people are talking about Hakeem and Kareem. Yeah. And people are like already, you know, a lot of people are worried about Wemby's health and like, because of his size. But Kareem was a similar build, very tall. He played 20 years. So like, let's see what happens in 10 years when we can you keep this up? You know, because there's guys that have already done it. Definitely. All right, from the razor hater. This is a hypothetical. Totally shifting gears here. The National. So suppose that this happens. The National Trading Card Museum project gets greenlit. The founders are sensible, professional and funded. If you were offered a paid position on a board that will curate cards, write museum plaques and create exhibition themes, would you take that job? One of the trade offs would be sacrificing a large chunk of your personal card collecting and research time in favor of learning and studying other types of cards, including sport and non sport that are or might be important to the overall history of cards and to the museum itself. And bonus points, what city should this museum be built in? Christina, would you do this? I would. Yeah, you would. I knew you would. What city should this be in, by the way? I studied anthropology and like I worked in a museum identifying like a, a collection. So like in undergrad. So this, this like sounds like a dream. Like I would be able to like help start and kick off the muse. Curate it. Like. Yes, sign me up. 100. What city? This is interesting because I, I, I think that it's so like usually like the cities that these places are chosen to go into have some kind of relevance to the industry, like the NBA hall of Fame, like etc. I would probably say that it should be on the National Mall, though. I think maybe in D.C. i would hate to live in D.C. though. D.C. interesting choice. All right. Josh, would you take this job? No, this is a Christina job. I want to zag on this so hard, but it does sound pretty cool. Zach, what would be the zag if you were the zag? The zag is that, like, we're not art and we don't want museums. We want to keep our cards and stuffy boxes in our houses, and we don't want to. We don't want to, like, donate cards to some museum. You know, remember, like, the. The take of, like, I want people to come over and, like, have all my cards on a wall and stuff. This is like the zag against that. I love that zag. The thing about that, though, is if it's actually done right, and it sounds like this hypothetical racer haters is creating it. Right, Right. You wouldn't be donating your cards. You would more like put them on lend probably for showcases or for certain, like, timed exhibits. Well, the point here is that, like, you can't. You don't have the time anymore. Yeah, personally, I understand that, but I meant, like, Josh was like, oh, who's going to donate their cards to go into the trading card museum? I would then put it, like, back to him and be like, you would probably just do timed exhibits where you curate the 1890, like, tobacco cards exhibit. And then, like, you go to them and you say, okay, this is going to be an exhibit that's going to run for two years. Like, here's the insurance policy. Like, your cards will be here, like, etc. Yeah, there's. There's like a fund topic here too, which is like, this is kind of the fund problem where it's like, yeah, it'd be cool to have a bunch of money and buy a bunch of cool cards and then what happens? Or it'd be cool to curate an awesome museum and identify historically important cards, but then you're done. And you just kind of helped this entity build a sweet collection. And it's like, no, I would rather deploy my time and effort to build my own museum. Why can't I build a museum? Why can't I have my cake and eat it too? Here again, you guys are looking at it the wrong way. Like, you're thinking about it like an art museum, like the Louvre. Like, there's no new art museum that's happening today because all of the good art has already been purchased privately or is owned publicly through a museum like entity. Like France owns the Mona Lisa kind of a thing. The way that this would have to be set up would be as exhibits that you're showcasing. So like they have to be timed and then collector owned pieces like to, to go ahead and purchase that. Like you're. No, there's no way. Even if it's funded, like, it's not possible. What if this museum was like done the wrong way and someone had like a bunch of Paul George green mosaic cards at the entrance and you're just like, what the heck is this? This is just like a bunch of random cards. And that's why I risk of that for sure. And that's why I would take the job because I'd be like, they're gonna it up. Like, I've seen the people that some people in this industry trust to do stuff and they think, no things I'd be like, no, give me the job. Because you know how like some people that get all sentimental with like, oh, when I was a kid, I always wanted the 84, you know, Nolan Ryan base card. And it's like, that's going to be this museum. It's just a bunch of sentimental stuff that whoever put it together decided was going here. Yeah, again, which is why I would take the job because I'd be like, that's not going in there. This question is isolating some specific things. It's kind of asking do you care more about just sort of the process of finding out things and researching things and calling them forth or how, or you know, how big or in other words, how big of a role does ownership play? Like, how important is actually owning the cards? How important is actually having ownership rights to that thing, to its market upside potential, to the flex rights that come with it, etc. That's kind of what I think this question is zooming in on and it's making me realize that I really care about the ownership aspect quite a bit. Yeah. And you almost said deploy capital. You were like this close to saying it. I definitely said deploy. You said deploy and then you were like, I can't say capital because you're going to make fun of me. So I can't say that one. Okay, very good. All right, cramming one or two more here. 90s B Ball card says Beckett and PSA have made noteworthy announcements last week. In prior years. We may see these types of updates announced at or just prior to the national. Especially for example, Beckett, do you think there will be more news to come as we get closer to the national, to the hobbies super Bowl. What's left to announce? What's left to do? I don't know. It's left to announce, but I don't think, I think in prior years, and like this may sound silly because we've had it for a while now, in prior years you needed somewhere where everyone's attention was focused on the hobby in order to make an impact and get people to hear about your announcement. Now with social media and like everything, we don't need that. Like, it doesn't have to be around the time where everyone's thinking sports cards or everyone's thinking cards. It could just be a Tuesday. Great point. And then there's actually a lot of risk built in, which I think Jake was kind of getting at with this question. There's risk built into like dropping a big announcement at the national, which is that if it goes poorly or it isn't properly conveyed, it can virally spread on the show floor very quickly. We saw that at Mint. Yes, yes. The 95 debacle. Yeah. And I have like a little bit of a business advice for all you companies looking to drop your big news at the national. I think that's a, an easy way to get, to get like a cringe worthy moment of like you're trying to take the spotlight away from what the national is, which is like all of us getting together, buying cards, trading cards, selling cards, having fun and then you're trying to make it about some new vault or something. I just, that's like a little tidbit of advice. Just take a back seat to the hobby for a week. Just let it happen. Because we're all here in person. We don't need your like articles that come out like on Instagram. Read the room. That's what I would say. Like, you just cook junk. Yeah, dude, we are literally like here. We're gonna help you charge your phones, you come take a break, do your thing. We're not gonna announce anything, get in your way. We're gonna optimize the app so that it works well for you and it's, let's just get out of your way. That's, that's my mindset. You should not know we exist. You should just use the app. Seriously. That's why we are charging station candy dispensary and swag giveaway location. Like, because why do you need to come see us? There are really fucking cool cars on this floor. Go look at cards. That's why we're all here. That's what we want to do. Dude, I'm trying to Staff the booth so the three of us could go look at cards, like the entire show. Like, shout out to Mo in the chat. Yeah. And Reuben. Shout out Reuben. All right, let's just. Do we have time to do. To squeeze a few more in here? Yeah. Or should we call it quits? Josh, I think that. More, buddy. Few more. Okay. All right. I think the one that's addressed to you should be. Well, this is from the great David Spinrad, also known as Rated Rabbi, who's been putting out some excellent YouTube content lately. He says. Hi, Chris. I have a collector question. I've been collecting 2020 obsidian football supernovas in one of ones or out of fives since May 2021. After five years of building this 20 card insert set, I've got 11 one of ones and seven out of fives. So he's over halfway to the one of one set. I still need Brady and Herbert. I sense I've hit a wall in my chase, and I'm in search of more atypical ways to pursue these cards. And I'm hoping for your insight and expertise as well as that of Josh, Christina, and the audience regarding how to creatively unearth low pop, low demand, relatively obscure cards. Anybody have any advice for the rated rabbi? Well, five years, 11 101s, this guy is. Is the question earlier where he's buying the whole. He's locking up a set. He's a villain. I don't know if Christina should give advice on this. She's been trying to get a card for almost six years now with no success. Maybe you tell what you would do and then just do the opposite and maybe that'll get them close. I've made a nuisance of myself to manufacturers, auction houses, marketplaces, and collectors to the point where everyone tells me that, yes, the card was made, yes, it made it into packs, and no, they do not have it, or they, like, mock me about it when I'm look like, mention any other card I'm looking for. They're like, don't forget the neon green. So I. I mean, make a nuisance of yourself. Good. Okay. So certainly can't hurt to put it. Put it out there, Josh. Five years. Five years, man. Like, I was thinking the other day about, like, how long it took me to get some key cards that I had been looking for and like, it. It max out at around like one to two years. I think if you get to like five years, like, you're pushing the. You're pushing the limit of when. When you should maybe adjust Expectations. Well, given that the two players that he mentioned were Brady and Herbert, is this a financial limit or a finding of the card limit? Because Brady is going to be expensive. But I don't know this. Yeah, I don't know this guy's situation. So I'm assuming he's not able to find these is the biggest problem. But the fact that he has 11 101s and only seven of the out of fives, I take this as a W. This guy's finding. The harder he's finding, the more rare ones he's got. 11 take the W. Yeah. 11 out of 20. That ain't bad for 101 sets. That's tough. So like he says he has 11 101s and seven fives. So like he's looking for one of ones or five. So he has. You know what? I finally figured out this question. What he's saying is he has 18 of the 20. He just needs Brady or Herbert. Yeah, and Herbert. Those are just. Those are actually the last two. And he would. My microphone on. Can you hear me right now? Like, I just. So glad I figured that out. Smart. There he is. He says can't find them. Still trying to turn those out of fives into one of ones. Okay, so the out of five is the placeholder for the one of one. Yeah, it might be bounty time. Bounty time. Or, you know, it's tough, man. It's tough. Especially like 2020 is an interesting era of cards because there are definitely people who came in who were collecting stuff from 2020, 2019, 2021, and then they might have left the hobby. They might be sitting in somebody's shoebox who like is on a pause from collecting. It's a. It's a weird era. It's a very, very strange era. Yeah. Because May 2021, like the world was still closed down. Like it was starting to open at that point. These are cool looking cards, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen a few posts he's made over the years with them and I always liked them. The one on one. Is the Electric Etch finite. Yeah, yeah, they're cool. There's die cuts too. Yeah, it's a. It's a great looking set. So I don't know, man, like, there's no reason not to stay the course because what's the worst that happens? You find him eventually just cut those searches up, you know, don't just. Yeah. Keep the searches coming. And the other thing too is like, then this will always haunt you. Are they still in boxes Maybe. Here's another question sort of related to like, are they still in boxes? Have you. Do you have any historical record of any of the nine one of ones that you haven't found yet? Do you have any historical record of them ever servicing. Not necessarily that you know where they are now, not necessarily that you've seen them on an Instagram page, but like, is there even a sales history of it or is it in any of the popular population reports? Right. Also, I would suggest it's gonna sound weird, a Bing search image search because like Bing, I don't know what is, like how they saved and classified their images. But like I found when doing card research that the Bing search engine has really good images from like random places of cards that I can't find pictures of on Google or whatever search engine. So I would look there because someone might have posted it on Instagram and tagged it correctly and Bing classified that so you could find it. Great pro tip there for the late listeners. Yeah, hit up that new profiles feature on Card Ladder. It's a new tab on the left and that's a great tool for you to start finding whether or not stuff is in pop reports. Do you agree with that, Josh? I was just about to do that. 2020 obsidian. I've been using this a lot lately. Supernova. How do I do this? Electric Etch Black. So he says that the Bray. A bunch of the one on ones have sold, including the Brady. Well, then you know they're out there. That's. Yeah, that's a glimmer of hopes. The Brady's been graded. It's with PSA. Okay. McCaffrey's been graded burrow CD, Lamb, Judy. There's. He's saying. Yeah, Burrow to Brady and Rogers he knows have sold. 18 have been graded. Well, Burrow's in here twice. Brady's in here. Okay. Twice Crossovers or whatever, probably. Well, I can see the Brady in a BGS 85. Like, that's the other thing. When you click on those profiles on that new tab, a bunch of them will like have images pull up from sales. Like it connects the sales. You can actually see them. And I have a picture of the Burrow in a BGS slab. So it's possible that PSA just like logged them and they don't have sales of them. And because I'm finding a bunch of sales of these in bgs, I would also recommend that you get the photo from us and then go do a reverse Google image or Bing image search because again, like from the image they Might pop up like on Instagram, like that someone posted in 2022 or something. Brendan Ryan says. Or it could be in a storage locker that was paid in full for 20 years in advance. That's. Think about 101s, dude. It could be anywhere. Yeah, but. But this is great. This is a breakthrough, I think, to know that so David knows that the Rogers, Brady two and Burrow are out there somewhere and stay the course. That's such a. That's so. That's so. That's so much better than like not knowing if they've ever even surfaced. I think that's such an improvement. Brady to a Burrow. Yeah. And just like, you know, it's a. It's of trying to find a needle in a haystack. But just ask everybody. You know, Brady's on fanatics, like in a collector account like Vault, I guess maybe check. I'll check right freaking now. See, this is why you gotta. You gotta make a nuisance of yourself about it because sometimes people are like, oh, I've seen that card. That's what he did. And he's made it a topic here that thousands of people will hear. So you're welcome. That's cool. You know, for many of us, I think in the hobby, especially those of us who are a little more introverted or, you know, just kind of have a lone wolf tendency. Like, we don't always love to ask. You know, we want to just put our heads down and figure it out for ourselves. But sometimes asking is just. It's so much more efficient. Just put it out there. So. All right. That's the most I've ever looked at. That's it. Nice. All right, Great question to end on. There's a lot of good questions left that we didn't get to. We'll do it next week. Don't hold your breath for that. But yes. All right, so time for us to pick a title. Okay, Christina, you are up. I am ready. First year hype. More expensive than my car. Am I a chopped unk? Yeah. Yeah. Practice your flopping for three hours. A frenzy of math following the crowd is boring. When Benyama is ready to hitch a ride on the Otani rocket ship. Are they still in boxes? Un. Right. Yeah. I just love the A. It's just so good. And Christina had to jump in and be like, it says a chopped. It's just so. It really does. Yeah. Makes it a different sentence. Yeah. It's like, I'm not the unc. He. You know, he's not asking me the Unk, he's saying, am I the chop? Yeah. Am I a chopped unknot? Like, am I chopped comma, unk? Like fair. Yeah, that's it. Am I a chopped duck? I can't wait to see what the thumbnail for that is. We spent fish, pizza and a nap. Somehow we spent like hours going over the term chopped at that Ontario show. We know way too much about that term. Yes, we do. It could be like good and bad though. Can it? It's just bad. Oh, oh. This was when you were talking with what's his face. I was not privy to these conversations probably so much about the term chopped and all these other phrase. And I was like, am I unk? And he was like, you're kind of. He's like, geez, dude, they. They're in the NBA. Like if you're like not a rookie or unk, I think it's like 23. Yeah. Wendy's like virgin on ankh for sure. But like unk also can. Maybe that's what I mean. Like, unk can be like, like a position of like authority. Like, you did it, unk. Like, you're like. That can be good. Yeah. Chopped can only be bad. Okay. That's okay. Unc is un can almost be a term of respect if it's used. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Respect. Yeah. The chopped. There's no saving that. No, you're just chopped. And I. I don't even think it's like just your looks. I think it's like you can use chop for many things. I think that's what he was saying. Right? Like I ate a deep dish pizza, took 35 minute nap. That opened up card, opened up crossover. Like, am I chopped Unknown. Well, the funny thing about that is, like, you're a chopped dunk when you can no longer do that. There you go. Dude, I was thinking a pizza and then watching the crossover is. That's elite status. Don't forget the nap in between. Like, I also, like I said, took a nap instead of watching the game and it was glorious. Dude. He should have taken a nap while watching this show. That's easier. He's probably sleeping right now. He hasn't said anything so since he said that, food coma, dude. He ate a wheel of cheese. This dude is sleeping. Seriously. And if he's calling himself Unk, he's probably like, you know, not super young. He's not staying up late. Right. Well, we'll see you in three weeks. The most respected sports card analytics app on the market. We have virtually every card in our system. If the card you are looking for ever sold on one of these platforms, you can find it using Card Ladder's sales history. 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