Booked to Last: The GOAT Market Is Here. Are Wrestling Card Collectors Ready?

Foreign. Welcome back to the official Wrestling Card podcast here on the Stacking Slabs Network. Welcome back to Book to Last with my good friends Adam and ryan presented by RBI crew 7. The biggest, the baddest place to buy your wrestling card singles and wax in all of the land. Make sure you do that@rbi crew7.com Big episode. A lot of big sales. Ryan and Adam are talking goats, goat wrestlers, goat sets, goat cards, and a whole lot more. When this goes live, Adam and I will be at Fanatics Fest getting in the mix talking about what's happening in all of the wrestling card space and land. I'm excited about that. I'm sure there will be some reporting on the other side of that, but we're excited to deliver this episode to you today. Make sure if you are going to be at the national and you're listening to this podcast you RSVP for wrestling card taker over July 31st NBC suites. You can do that@booktolastpodcastmail.com we would love to see you there. But for now, Book to Last episode 28 coming at you. Welcome to Book to Last, a wrestling card podcast for the card collecting community that goes from the top rope to top loaders. We are your host Ryan Banister of RBI Crew 7 and Adam Gelman of Main Event Wrestling Cards here on the Stacking Slab Podcast network. Don't forget to like and subscribe here on Stacking Slabs, especially if this is your first time you're joining up. You can find the patreon@patreon.com stacking slabs and you can follow Adam and I on social media at RBI Crew 7 and at WWE respectively. Let's ring that bell and get this slobber knocker on the way. It's episode 28. Yes it is. AKA Adrian Peterson for Minnesota Vikings fans like us. But Adam, how we doing? Good man. It is hot as hell in Minneapolis. I will tell you. 99 degrees or something crazy stuff like that. How did I just don't get Minnesota, man. I don't get the state. You guys deal with cold, you deal with hot. I mean 99, that's insane. The Summers here get really hot and humid and it's. It's always bad. And the winters there are also brutal. Very, very cold. Yes, the, the see like we used to live in San Antonio, so it was like you don't go outside in the summer and like now here in the winter you don't go for both the summer and the winter. So why do you love. Because. Because I enjoy Torturing myself. Exactly. Both from a sports perspective and from sports and from a living, so. And from a living perspective. All right, we have a shorter time frame here with everything going on with the Nationals, so we want to get everything fired up and running quickly so Ryan can get back to providing everything he's going to provide. I will tell you this. I'm going to have Adam post a picture for those of you following on Patreon next week that I'm going to be posting of wrestling boxes. I've sent it to Adam. It's 21 heroes labeled just wait. It's. It's an undertaking Undertaker. But we're going to get there. It's going to be amazing. I can't wait. So just to quickly recap what's been going on in tv, because there's. There's really just basic filler until we get to the. The. The meat of SummerSlam. The biggest news I think that came out over the last week is Rhea Ripley is actually hurt. She did mention that she has a torn meniscus, which, for those of you who are not medical professionals, it's kneecap or the. The. The tendon that holds your kneecap in place, I believe. And that's not good. So we have basically been told her her performance at Summer slams in jeopardy. She can't move side to side. You can't crouch. She can't do anything that you need to do to wrestle. So I, you know, it was weird because I think somebody mentioned, like, there was a wrestler, it was either Naomi or somebody else that tore their meniscus. It is one of those injuries that can heal naturally, so you don't necessarily have to have surgery. But there are other. Yeah, there are other times where it does need surgery. Naomi relinquished her title a month into the reign because this now Rhea Ripley is kind of like sitting on it. I think that's probably the right call, given that Rhea Ripley needs to be champion. But it's really unfortunate this injury has happened when it did. Yeah, it's one of those things where, no offense, you go, Naomi, okay. Get it, Ria. I mean, there's nobody else bigger and better to take on that. It's. There's not anybody in the packing order. I guess you just have to ride with it and hope that it heals faster, sooner than later, you know? Yeah. And I think from a card perspective, like, she's one of those bulletproof people. I don't think it's going to have too much. No. Of an impact. But, you know, her. Her cards have dipped A little bit, not much. And I think it's just because she hasn't been on tv. Out of sight, out of mind. But you know, if. If I'm buying cards of anybody, she's at or near the top of the list anyways. So not much impact there. We did see CM Punk come back to smackdown, and I think for the first time in a long time, I actually went out of my way to watch a Smackdown segment and it was like the promo made sense. Like they did explain him coming to smackdown in the absence on TV in the best kayfabe way that you can. And I anytime the CM Punk is on the mic, I think it's engaging, whether you love him or hate him. And I think that's what smackdown has been missing. And they're going back to two hours, which is even better because the three hour wrestling show just doesn't work. So it was good. And I think having CM Punk be the face on smackdown is a good move. Just hope that they don't sort of run into the same old feuds that they've been running into in this Cody match is one and done, who knows? But Cody needs to be off tv likely for a while. Give him a break, give us some time to miss him and then he can come back with something fresh or pull the trigger on the heel turn. Yeah, I think that was the right play. Smackdown's been tremendously hurting. Obviously the news of Ria is not helping it, so that's another notch. But adding somebody like CM Punk who is entertaining, who's going to draw people to watch it. Yes. Needs to be one and done with this feud. Needs to be done. It needs to end this story with these two and hopefully we get Punk as the champion, that we have somebody set to potentially take over at some point. I don't know. I don't know how long they're going to have Punk hold this, but I think they're at the point now with all these injuries, they just need somebody to carry it and somebody that's got the crowd behind them or potentially a heel. I don't think Gunther's it right now. I think. Well, I think that. Are they just. It's not. That's not what smackdown needs. And as much as I'm not a huge Punk fan, I think he is tremendous on the mic. He is entertaining. He put on a banger of a match at WrestleMania with Roman Reigns. So. Right move, right time. Let's see how this plays out. Yeah. And then just one other thing I want to call from smackdown. So Trick Williams and Carmelo Hayes had a match and in the course of that match we had the expected but unexpected return of Baron Corbin. I think that was executed really well. I'm interested to see what they're going to do with Corbin. He has kind of like this biker look naturally, just with all the tattoos and the shaped head and everything. But before that even happened, Trick Williams and Lil Yachty debuted this new US title and I must say it is so perfect for his character. I've never seen a custom title fit somebody as big good as this one is. It has fur around the edges. They're selling it on WWE Shop, naturally. But this was so good. I love his reaction to it. I love the way that it looks on tv. I think it looks awesome. Yeah, it's definitely something like we haven't seen before and I think it's going to grab a lot of people. So great marketing from this one right here where I'm sure these are going to be a hot seller at SummerSlam for belts. Absolutely. White fur, everything. And Trick's character continues to be the most. One of the more entertaining people. But yeah, if they're going to put him in a feud with Baron Corbin and stuff like that, great. But I think, you know, Corbin's one of those guys you can bring back. He doesn't have to like win every match as well, but which is, which is important for somebody. If you introduce him into a title feud right away, he doesn't have to take out the champion. I think Corbin, I'd like to see it. I was kind of shocked they didn't have him bring him back and go against Breaker. I think Breaker could use somebody like Corbin to go up against as a heel. But the given their tag team history. But either way, I think putting him on smackdown will at least add another hand. And he's a good worker. He's. He's good, he's good. He's like, he's good mid carder. His cards are exceedingly cheap. So if you want, if you were hoarding Baron Corbin cards, now is the time unload them. But yeah, he's his style. He signed for like a ton of sets in a row, especially his constable Corbin back in the day and he was happy. Corbin, he was a lone wolf. I mean he's had a lot of gimmicks, but I've always been a fan of Corbin. He, he really can hold himself in the ring. He can hold himself on the mic. I think that was a right bringing him back. They need some kind of not fresh, but fresh now talent to come back and, you know, make these younger guys better, essentially, is what they're going to do with this. Moving on to. To RAW from this week. They had a gauntlet match on. On TV that I thought was. I mean, every once in a while you need to have one of those matches where it's like, it's just straight wrestling for an hour. And when. When the whole Noche de Los Grandes thing happened, I was like, the only thing that needs to come of this is Chad Gable versus Penta for the IC title at SummerSlam. And spoiler, he won. He won the Gauntlet. So we are getting Chad Gable versus Penta. I'm not happy that they're doing his clappy theme song with it. It would be really cool if they could just go back to the sort of his original stuff and just do it the right way. But I. I think it's likely Chad Gable beats Penta. I think Chad Gable is going to come out of SummerSlam in his hometown with which is the right call. It's just too bad that they've packaged him this way. Yeah, I mean, but obviously you can't. You know, this is the step down from, you know, one of the main belts. So, I mean, I like it. I think it's great for Chad, especially being from Minnesota. I think it'd be awesome. I think the crowd. I think it'll be a great match all around. Respect for gut May May, you know, could potentially be one of the matches of the day, depending on what they're going up against. As far as watching just good a wrestling, just good traditional wrestling. You're going to see these two put on a show. Yeah, the Gauntlet was amazing. Really well done. Javon Evans showed out like everybody in that match had a role and played it very well. I really liked watching it start to finish, and that's rare for a gauntlet match. For me, it really takes a lot to hold my interest, but they did a really good job with it. I thought the finish was good. So, yeah, I mean, there's some other question marks with sort of Chad Gable's character, but I think this is the right call. Also, we got a very quick promo that is highlighting the return of Big Cass or Big Bill or whatever they're going to call him. No Enzo in that promo, though, which was very interesting because I think Enzo and Cass as a whole are not somebody I want to see on TV Pass without Enzo's even less so. So I'm not sure what they're doing here? Yeah. I don't know. There's been all these rumors. I mean, I mean they'll probably get, if they both come back, you know, the crowd will go with it. It'll be fun again. But it'll be just. Yeah. I mean big Cass is so big, but he's just, I, he's just tag team type. He's just there. He's there. It's like when the Dudley boys came back for like two weeks and like they. That was awesome though. That was so cool to see. But that's the Deli Boys. Those are all time great famers. Arguably, you know, top five tag team, maybe top three of all time, depending on who you're asking. So that's a little different. It's a, it's a, it's very different. But it was like two, like they were, they were on the older side too. And then Steon went to be a producer and Bubba Ray's doing Bubba Ray things. But like that, that's this. I expect maybe this run could end up like that. It'll be good for like a week and a half and then they'll be off tv. I also want to talk about the, the Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns segment at the end because. And we'll. And we'll finish this segment with the, the open Brock at the start because we're going to go backwards here because that segment with Roman and Seth show exactly why this is the Sunday night main event and what an absolute amazing segment it was. Well done, well promoed, like if that's even a word. But like, God, I watched that with like eyes wide open. Like oh wow. Like this is why they are who they are. They are main event stars for a reason. Yeah. The chemistry between these two has been going on for a long time and, and this is going to be the perfect build up to SummerSlam. Let these two just get on the mic, go at it same it's going to be with Cody and, and Punk. But this is what you need. You need to build this up, build this momentum, this hype and this match has a lot of implications behind it. Their record I think is 4, 4 and 1. I think, you know, this is the deciding factor. Obviously. I'm pretty sure Roman's going to walk out as the champ. Yeah. But I do think we're going to see an unbelievable, legendary, talked about match. Just let these two go at it. No distractions, just good wrestling. I mean the last time I got to see these two at Russ not wrestling. Sorry. And Royal Rumble in 22 in St. Louis put on a phenomenal match and it was DQ'd. So Rollins won that. But it was awesome because I was excited to see Rollins come out at, you know, his new entrance at the time. And next thing you know, you hear the Shield music coming on. And here he is coming through the crowd. So awesome to see. What a mind game. But these two put on iconic legendary matches. This is going to be one for it all. Don't know if it's the last of the last. You know, they still got years left, but I think it's going to be something that SummerSlam needs. I think it's all shaping out to be great at this point. And then obviously you have the Oban Brock segment to talk about as well, which is building a lot of great momentum. Yeah, I watched that Open Brock segment and I was like, you know, they're really doing a lot to make me care about this, despite how angry I am that they didn't end it at WrestleMania because I think Oba is one of the most captivating people in the ring. Captivating when he's on the mic. He has everything you want as a superstar. He is going to be the face of this era. That's coming up. It hasn't started yet because I think Cody is still in place right now. But Oba is primed to be the face of the next era. And I think. I think him and Brock are going to be the main event on Saturday night. And I cannot wait to see this. We're going to be kind of hanging out with you and your party and everything. Maybe we'll watch it. But I cannot wait for this match. It's. I'm more excited for this match than any match on the card. I think CM Punk and Cody start off one of the days on espn, and then I think this is. This Hell in a Cell match is going to be crazy. I think they will add a stipulation that Brock's career is on the line. I think that's coming in the. In the future, but maybe he just retires out of his own will. Yeah. The question I have for you is, okay, this. This definitely ends here. If not, then wwe. It has to be slapped across the head. My question to you is, when does Oba potentially use his title shot? When do you think that happens at this point? Because I think he said he relinquished it last night. So what ended up happening is. Are you kidding? Yeah. So in the promo, he said, I relinquished this to fight you because I knew if I took it, you'd interfere anyways and I would lose. Which I think was a really good call out. Like it's like. Do you remember like when Austin Theory had money in the bank and he used it on like the US title or something. He said what you think I'm just going to go and do this on the bloodline and everybody's going to stop me? I'm going to fail there too. So like the kayfabe explanation I think was really good. But again, this should have ended at Wrestlemania. We just got to say it every time. But they've made this a must see match. Okay. So at that point then I, I gotta think if that's the case. If this is 100% relinquished. I think Oba has to win Royal Rumble. Yeah. Or. And there's gonna be Oba against Roman Reigns Maniac. Yeah, it's just, it's. It's setting up right now money in the bank. Not something Oba needs to do is use. There's no point in him cashing it in like that unless you're gonna have cash on him to do that. No, I don't either. And the only way you do that is if you just have him stay straigh cashing in like well before match scheduled. We're having this match, you know, that's understandable, but I think that's a waste. I think you need to use Oba, have him win Royal Rumble. Go out there, just dominate everybody like he was doing last year. If he's in the Royal Rumble, he has to win. I would think at this point if you were to linkage this, you're gonna get a title shot. Oba is main event. He has got WrestleMania written all over his face. I mean this is gonna be fun to watch for this guy kid, whatever you call him, it does over the next year. So. Yep. Okay, let's move on to some card market highlights here because there are some awesome things to talk about here. We had a massive auction end and golden. Their elite auction ended on Sunday or on Saturday. Sorry. And as part of that they. One of the cards that was up for auction was the Rock in Stone Cold Steve Austin Dual autograph super fracture. 1 of 1. This was a late addition to 2025 Chrome. It was a redemption that has been fulfilled. It is live in their auction. The card is glorious and it sold for $82,825. I think I said I. We were talking in the group chat with Brett and everything and I think everybody was kind of hovering around the 50 to 65 candidates. I think I can get. I'd like it to get to 75. All of us were wrong. It got to 83 almost. It was three bids away from six figures, which is just insane. But this card is so cool. And to believe that there is an inscription version of this out there, it's one of 10. I don't think that one gets to this price, but this is. This is looking like a grail. I'm curious, what's your. It's the second highest modern WWE sale of all time. What were your expectations coming into and what's your feedback coming out of it? I really think we were kind of on the same page because I had Mike MC hit me up today. He bid on it earlier in the day and he called me, he's like, what are your thoughts on this? I said, I think it's going to go 50 to 60, but I think that this card could grab people that aren't your traditional wrestling collectors to come into this space. And I think that's potentially what might have happened. I have my theories on potentially who could have won it. Or is it somebody outside the element of wrestling cards? Because at the end of the day, wrestling cards are not. These are two of the most iconic wrestlers arguably of all time on one card. If you think Attitude era, instantly, these two come to mind. It is their first ever dual autograph ever. Dual and you know, super fractor, auto everything. So I think you're. You're dealing with potential outside elements. Even if a somebody who wasn't a traditionalist did bid on this and didn't win, it still drove the market up. I. I think this had potential gamor. I was out on it because I, I didn't. I had people ask me if I was going to make an attempt, said no because Shanic, who works for me, pulled the black to 10 out of my shop. I acquired that from him. It was a redemption, obviously, and it's just awesome to own that one because it came from us. The only one I'm interested is the inscription, which is yet the surface. From my understanding, I don't think it has. Obviously it's house promoted. I would much rather have that over this at the end of the day. Yes, this is a super fracture. I'm an on card inscription guy. Give me inscriptions all day of the year for less price. Yes. So I was. I shocked a little. But honestly, in this day and age with what we deal and also being on golden, that's got so many other people elements coming to it. I think the eyes on That I think this went to ebay. It would not have got what I got. I think that would have done. Turned in, you know, significantly less. Maybe it didn't would do what it did on Fanatics Live, but I think golden gave it the attention it needed, brought the awareness to it. So I love it. I think it's awesome to see. It's amazing for the hobby of wrestling cards and just puts more eyes on the market and what wrestling cards are doing. Yeah, we'll talk about the goat market here in a second because I have a slide prepared just to talk through some of the. The tendencies we're seeing in the sports card market overall and how this card sort of fits into that. Because there is no bigger dual autograph in wrestling. This is it. And if there is, those people are no longer alive. So, like, this is. Of the two living wrestlers, it's this. Some could argue Vince McMahon and Stone Cold Steve Austin on a dual autograph might be that that's not going to happen with all the controversy around Vince McMahon. So I think this is the two biggest stars of the attitude era on one card. It's a Super Fracture. I was like, this is when I saw the dual autograph previewed, which was late because I don't think they were expecting to get this done. And then they did and put it in the products as redemptions. I was shocked. To see the Super Fracture not have the inscriptions is a little bit disappointing. His other ones have had like the. The. The other inscriptions. Other super fractures did have inscriptions that I've seen one sold for more than this. And traditionally dual autographs sell for less because you have, you know, single collectors don't like other people on the card. Sort of brings down value. Usually Stone Cold's autograph is not as valuable as the rocks, you know, all that other stuff. But this is the one card that I think the dual autographs make it better. And I think that's probably one of the reasons why it was so hard for people to stay away and not bid just giant amounts for this. But I'm curious what the inscriptions would go for. I'm guessing it's a 20 to $40,000 card at this point, but it all depends on platform seller, you name it. Fun stuff that. It always comes with it. Do you think these guys ever signed together again? Yeah, I do. I think eventually it'll happen. I don't know if Topps will run this back. I think leave this one be would be my opinion. But I could see in the future maybe like a royalty or Dynasty would be insane. But I don't know if we'll get that. We. We might, you know, but at the end of the day, yeah, I think I don't see why you couldn't. From my understanding, Rock is really awesome when he's able to sign it. From my source tells me he's really awesome about it. He's just kind about it. So I think that you will see something. I don't know if it'll be in Topps Chrome again. I don't think you want to rinse and repeat this. In my opinion. I think you let it be. Keep it one of a kind. That's why I'm never moving mine unless I get the inscription, which is the one that's been on my radar. So, yeah, I, I can't see you not getting them, considering how easy. How Stone Cold's really good about signing for tops. We've seen it this past year more than ever. He's always been a really good signer. So, yeah, why not? I think it'll happen. Moving on to another gigantic sale. The Bianca Belair WrestleMania patch autograph sold for $29,500 via Best Offer on ebay. This is the second largest public sale of a WrestleMania patch autograph. I was talking with the guy who ended up with this and man, I mean, collectors going to collect, man, like, they want their cards. He saw this as the top Bianca Belair card of all time. He's not wrong. I think everybody was shocked because she's not on tv. She won't be on TV for a long time. We talked about it last week, sort of in the missing you segment. I, I think, like, I, I think if this sale happened the week after Randy Orton sold, no one would care. It would be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Randy's 42, Bianca 29. Yeah, sure, whatever. But because we had some other sales in between. You had Jay Uso at 18 6. You know, Tiffany Stratton go for low amounts below this. Like, I, I think Tiffany Stratton is worth more than this card. But like, because of that, everybody's like, why are you paying 30 grand for this card? It's just we not make sense with the comps guys. Like, these are grail cards and sometimes the rules of comps and everything don't apply the same way. I think each of these cards has its own market and this one was competitive. There were three or four people that were interested in it. Seeing it go for close to 30k is or 32 with tax is. Is pretty awesome to see. Yeah, I, I'm with you on this. Yeah, it's. It's grill type cards and they're first of their kind. Yeah, they're going to make him again next year. But Bianca won't have one. Well, I guess if they wanted one on her thing, but she didn't wrestle. You know, she now choose pregnant. So I mean, to this one, I, I get it from a collector standpoint, from somebody who obviously went out and got the one that he wanted and I was willing to pay more than what it, what it went for. Luckily, I, I was happy you tried to get the Becky. Unfortunately, it just. Where it ended up is not ideal. So hopefully you can get back to the States. But we all, when this was announced that they were making these, we all, every true collector was like, I've got to have this, everybody. It's like, I gotta have this. And you have to go way above expectations of what you're willing to spend to get it. Especially when you said the three people and there are two or three or four serious Bianca collectors, you're competing against all of them. So they. This definitely probably went. But I think it's worth 25 to 30. I really do. Based on knowing her market, knowing what some of these people are willing to pay. I think it's one of those things where the person who got it this probably was the top and I bet the next guy wasn't too far behind it. So, yeah, I'm happy go to the collector that, that wanted this and I agree it Tiffany, in my opinion, is worth more than this. I don't know how much more. Mid 30s, I'm guessing more than likely. I don't know. That's where I'm guessing. So we know Tiffy undersold because of circumstances. This sold work pretty close to where I think it's worth. And, and again, people, people can have opinions on these no matter what till the end of the day. You're going to be beating a dead horse here to just talk about these cards, but they are first of their kind. They are the closest thing to a logo man in our industry that we can get and from understanding the other sports. They mean so much to collectors and I'm happy that the collector got it. Yeah, they, they mean more. They mean a lot. And I think we've beaten this to, like you said, we've beaten this to death in this podcast. But, you know, it doesn't stop people from trying to get out in front of this and say, oh, these cards are overhyped. These things don't work. Why are they doing this? Who's buying these cards? Like, I see all those questions. I'm just like, guys, like imagine all of the logo men that are produced across baseball and shields for football and the logo men for basketball. I mean there are thousands of these cards produced. And for wrestling, these are the first. There is no other 2025 logo man, that exists. Like, they are the first WrestleMania patches. They are the only WrestleMania patches of this year. So it's not like they went and produced three different WrestleMania patches across three different sets. This is it. There's one of them. And John Cena is only going to have one. And can you imagine, and I think I said this last week, you imagine if Tom Brady only had one shield during his entire run in the football, like that card would be a hundred million dollar card, right? Like game use stuff is going to matter long term and it may not matter right now. It might not be that the event use thing is caught on, but it will. We have the primer. Like everybody knows what is going to happen because it's already happened in baseball and football and basketball. And none of that is going to, is going to stay in those sports. It's all going to come to wrestling. So if you think that like these iconic events, wrestling functions around WrestleMania. This is the Super Bowl. If you can imagine all of those logo men being tied to a championship game, that's what this is equal to. That's why we've hyped this so much and why when these cards sell for 30, 40, 50 or eventually $150,000, which is what I expect is the minimum price for Cena. Like, we're not surprised because we've seen this in other sports. Wrestling collectors may be new to this experience and that's why it's so hard for people to grasp the same reason why there was hard for them to grasp. By a rock gold prism sold for $40,000. Like, those things are foreign concepts to some of the members of our community, which is understandable, but it's also something that we've already seen this happen. Like, we've, we've already like run this, this story. Like it's, it's already, the film has already, this has already happened. So like we, we know the ending here. This is Titanic for us. We know the ship sinks at the end. Like it's, it's, it's very easy to see what's going to happen. I want to take some time quickly to talk about a trend that we hinted at last Week. And I want to talk about today briefly in sports cards. If you look at all of the card ladder player indexes, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Mickey Mantle, Jackie Robinson, like, you know, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, like, you name it, they're all up a significant amount. You run a shop. Am I wrong there? No, not at all. They, all the ghosts, I mean Kobe, Jordan right now are insane. Insane. Keep them in stock. Can't keep them in stock. And I'm just using Kobe and Jordan. We could talk about other sports bs. It's definitely the go trend right now. Yeah. Like, if you are what is referred to as a goat, the goat market is what people are gravitating towards. Instead of taking 40 grand, 100 grand, and dumping it into quarterbacks that may or may not, you know, make it out of their first contract in the NFL. I think we. Somebody said like 98% of the players don't, like, they want to say, I'm going to invest in people who've already been to the dance and shown that they can, they can hustle. And Patrick Mahomes, you know, has already won however many three, four Super Bowls at this point, and Brady's won seven. Like, why am I paying for somebody that hasn't even thrown a pass yet when I can go buy the good stuff? So I put out an article on Main Event talking about, like, guys, this is, this is what it means to be ahead of the curve because I think it's starting to happen in wrestling. If you're going to buy the goats, whether that's goat wrestlers, goat sets, or goat cards, like, you're, you're not going to have any problems as long as the card market stays where it is. So we're talking guys like Roman Reigns, the Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, which we just talked about earlier in the podcast, and their dual autograph Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Hulk Hogan, even current guys like, you know, like Charlotte Flair and Becky lynch on the women's side, or Randy Orton and more recently John Cena are all part of this category. They've already accomplished everything there is to accomplish in wwe. So buying them versus buying somebody like Sol Ruka, who is more of a risk due to injury style of wrestling, she hasn't really accomplished anything besides the Intercontinental title. Like, that's what this is built about. So I wanted to take some time. Like, from your experience in the sports card side of this, do you see this being as much of a trend in wrestling as things continue to develop? Yeah, I just don't know the trend these cards continue to go up. But I think a lot of them are based on 90s inserts is huge right now. Obviously there's really. You got Prism stuff like that. I think the prism 22, 22 prism golds, anything like that are worth holding. I, I think this will transition. I don't think it'll be the percentage of jumps like we're seeing. Yeah, usually like you're seeing like a cop this week and then two weeks later it's two grand up on these type of cards. I mean you're arguably talking, you know, the greatest basketball players of all time. But in wrestling, Wrestling's so cheap. Compare everything. It's dirt. I know it's so dirty. So it's like, how can it not go up? Like it's, you know, we're, we're seeing the trends there. More people want to collect the goats. It's got to transition over to here. I just don't know how it's. It's. The jump's going to go because I think the thing you got to remember is Jordan and Kobe. Kobe did sign a lot for Panini and Jordan over the years signed quite a bit for Upper Deck. But they weren't signing as much as we're seeing John Cena sign. Still Bold Undertaker, Roman Reigns, they're more readily available. And you also have, you don't have the 90s factor insert. But I think I like the next segment you got to talk about here because I think that goes hand in hand is the type of sets and inserts from that era also can generate over into wrestling which will have long term sustainability and growth as well. Yeah. And I think like you mentioned, like the, the frequency of these cards and sets being what they are like. To be fair, I think wrestling cards are fewer in number overall. And though John Cena has signed a ton of cards comparatively, I think some of the other guys who are coming up through the rookie ranks and migrating through their careers into goats, they've signed quite a bit too. And they sign after they've retired as well. Peyton Manning is a great example of that. And they're still insanely valuable. Hulk Hogan signed a ton of stuff every week. It is beach shop. I think like all those guys are. It's more about the prestige of the, of the card as much as it is the prestige of the person on the front of the card. So you see those top Kobe Bryant cards mirror sort of Kobe as a goat, but also, hey, a flawless Kobe autograph is going to be insane because it's compounded. Right. So if you have sort of that initial card of a goat wrestler, let's use John Cena as an example. He had Star Swatch autographs in Flawless, which are a legacy sort of set in Flawless that everybody collects. So it's no shock that those cards are jumping in price because there's that crossover appeal. So kind of like as you get into this like goat wrestler, goat set go card, like all of a sudden that stuff becomes compounded and compounded and compounded. Which is why we see some of these panini cards like the, the gold prisms with the rock and everything sell for these insane amounts of money. And I was just talking with with Jameson. He has a couple of them that he was going through preparing for Fanatics Fest and like he forgot he had some of these cards that are now or like five times. Yeah, they're like five times what he paid for it. Right. He messaged me. He's like, what do you think is worth? I don't care. You better not be selling that to just put it back. He goes, I'm not. I go, I don't know what it's worth now, but you need to put it back. Luckily, I don't think you put it on the slide. I was able to obtain finally and I haven't Posted yet, the 22 Randy Orton prism Gold. Exactly. Yeah, that's a thinner and however I had the black and the gold shimmer to three but I lo and behold didn't have the gold. So I really think. And I have the rock gold from that too. And I think the 22 prisms and even the select for some of the bigger names, not inserts will have long term, long term sustainability to grow because it is an era that will always be talked about, will never probably be done again. And to go with the Flawless hearts watches, heck, I've already pre done a deal for National. My good buddy Trevor selling me a group for I don't want to say how much, but it's north of 10,000 of just the stuff he was building because he was trying to build the set and he was messing with me. He's like, I don't want to sell it, but I also want to finish it. But these have gone up so much. I want to have some fun at the National. So I paid them basically market ask if you can find them to get because I know for a fact that myself, Jameson and Brian had been stashing as much of the Stark swatches as we can because it goes hand in hand with basketball and flawless and everything like that. Yes. They're not, you know, not worn event or anything, but they're legendary, iconic. They're, they're big money in basketball and even football. They're big sets. Why not in wrestling? The cards are beautiful. They look great. And it was one and done. Yeah. I think we'll have Brian on next week to talk about his strategy for the national and some of the other stuff. So that'll be an interesting conversation. But I know he's been really a proponent of sort of like going back and finding some, some of these diamonds in the rough. But even going back as far as like 2019 transcendent, like that was the first like crazy high end wrestling product that was ever produced and it has some amazing cards in that set. I've seen those jump a ton. I've. And we've, we'll cover some of the sales I purposely pulled as a sort of relationship to this discussion. But the transcendent stuff's going up. Those transcendent super fractures from 2021. Talk about go Kart. Beautiful. Like just insane cards from that era. And I think that like if you can combine all three of these segments, Goat Wrestlers, Goat Set, Go Card. Like you're literally printing money at this point in any segment of the hobby, let alone one that for wrestling there's still so much room to grow. Like going back to 22 prism. Like there are still black one of ones that are, that are surfacing and a regular clip here because people are ripping cases now that it's come down in price and so on and so forth. Graded high grade versions of these. Even more so, you know, just even stuff from the original tops eras. The 2001 Royal Rumble set, the, the WCW autographs, like all of these goat sets, these iconic sets are just going up hand and fist because it's everybody recognizing that this is the trend. And in tech, I work in technology and everybody says you never get fired for buying, you know, for buying certain things. Like it's just, they're constants in the industry. Whether it's additional storage for your computers or whatever it is. But. And I'm not going to get too far into it because it won't make sense for 95% of the audience here. But I think the, yeah but for the, for the card industry, buying the best of the best will never get you fired. Like you'll never get in trouble buying Michael Jordan, buying these guys because for the most part a lot of them are done wrestling. They're, they're done with that part of their career and now the entire hobby is circling around this area knowing that they can really have a constant. Like Those Mickey Mantle 1952 tops that everybody's been talking about for 50 years are still going up in value because people are recognizing, hey, I don't have one for my collection. I want it. And it's not even about making money. It's just about like I want these for my collection before they're too expensive to buy. Right. Jordan Flir 86 is right now are just record numbers right now. And those are ones almost $500,000. The PFA 400,000 I know can spot one in March less than that. And it took a while but it was a new label too. So I know those have taken a little bit of to catch up to all the other grade selling. Now you're seeing all like PSA was it fives are doing 10k now. I was buying those in March for 5k. Ridiculous. Not even joking. So you know, that's something I think a lot of people go to the national and go, I want to leave with the Jordan Fleer rookie. That that's always been the case. Those are a lot more. Everybody rarely have them versus a mantle 52. But everybody wants one of those cards. Griffey upper deck 89, those have shot up. Everybody wants one of those. You know, I think you're going to see more of that continue. And for us, strategy wise, this year we're bringing a lot of wrestling. I have decided I'm probably not going to take. I'll take Flawless with me, but definitely not any start swatches and I don't think I'm going to sell any Hogan stone cold taker on us. I think I'm going to hold those back. A couple of the big names like Cena as well just because I just don't see them going down. They're dried up. I mean the cases are over 10,000. That was, that was the last thing. Yeah, I think, I think that. So I have saved searches. You have saved searches on ebay. That's like as we get into the three, four months from release on any of these sets, those searches don't light up anymore. And so I think like, like if you're holding cards that you know are rare, desirable and of desirable wrestlers, like there is zero reason to put those out right now. And I think at the national people are going to be are walking around hunting for those cards. At Wrestling Card takeover, I know there's going to be conversations between people sitting at those tables. Hey, do you have this, do you have this? Do you have this? And those are the types of situations that we're going to see just flourish through the rest of the year. And a set like Topps Dynasty is going to come out in wrestling. We already know that. We've seen what has happened in baseball with the release this year. We've seen what's happened with the soccer version of it. We've seen what's happened with the F1 version of it. Like there are goat sets that just like a Show Ohtani a 2026. What is this his eighth year like in 2026, like we're talking close to six figures just for a out of 10 autographs. No, it's is what we're seeing. It. It doesn't make sense to me. I get it. But it just to see what they're doing now, it's like oh my gosh, it's just record numbers. Yeah. So I think like if you, if you are sitting on a treasure trove of. Of all those panini hits, the golds from Prism are like everybody's hunting for them. The ringside stuff from select. The, the, the immaculate, you know, patch autographs and jumbo patch autographs, the impeccable numbers. The like all of those cards that are just driving the like not even. We're not even talking about kabooms and downtowns at this point. We're talking about guys that have massive appeal with their desirable cards. Rarer the better. And just like it's just wrestling is, is in a different spot because it's so cheap as you said. So people can make their money go further, especially when they're coming from football and basketball. So to go spend $10,000 in basketball, you're walking away with like mid floor level stuff. $10,000 in wrestling gets you the best of the best. I'm going to say something to Hitch home with you because I know you're an F1 guy. I just moved. I had not only a 2021 dynasty, F1k sealed. I had a 2020 first year. Oh, I just moved those in a big deal. But it moved into a goat card. I made a lot of wax to acquire something which I'll share after the national because I'm acquiring it there. But again, you know, I wanted to continue to hold a case like that long term because I really think that F1 Dynasty is going to eventually be a 10,000 hour case, which is insane for a five box case. But we're seeing what Ohtanis are doing and we know that Louise Hamilton And Max Verstappen, you know, overseas market is insane worldwide, so. But again, going back to the goat subject, it's one of those things where I pivoted goat wax, I guess you could say flawless, you know, big name products into a go card that I think that will continue to go up as well. So sometimes it's about pivoting one goat aspect to another, especially any industry but wrestling. I love your point. You spend $10,000 in wrestling, you're. You're probably going to get a lot for your money. $10,000 in basketball goats, you ain't gonna get too far. Yeah. Let's do some quick sales here. This was another card that sold as part of the golden auction where the dual autograph sold. This is the Rhea Ripley one of one Tops now with a mommy's always on top inscription. Has a piece of the map from the Netflix premiere. It's an awesome photo. I know you're not a huge fan of tops now because of your experience, but this is the sun. I like the cards. I just don't want to know. I don't want to order. I know I'm just giving you shit. But like the. This is the second tops now one of one to sell for more than five figures. And this one sold for $10,126 in that recent Saturday auction that just ended. I love this card. I think it's a piece of history with the Netflix premiere. But the inscription just adds a lot. Great photo. She won the title from Liv Morgan at that event. So like it was just, it was perfect storm for Rhea Ripley. As I said, her cards are bulletproof at this point and man, this is just an absolute banger. I think this undersold. I really do considering knowing what some of her other one on ones have gone for. Do you know, do we know who won it? Do we know off top of our head? Okay, I, I think this under for the inscription on there for everything. It is. I, I think this went under. I think this is closer to knowing her market, knowing her trends 12 to $15,000 card. So whoever got this I think got a really good price that they're going to flip it. They're going to make some money. They're going to keep it. They should be happy with the price they paid. Yeah. And mommy always on top. The mommy's always on top cards have been in finest and a few others. They haven't surfaced though. So like her and Steve got one of the inscriptions that surface. I was really happy to see that. I did see The Ria Bloody Ripley inscription from Chrome Surface. I think one of the collectors ended up with that and the Ria collectors and it's changed hands a few times so I can't remember who holds it now. But it's an amazing card from from 2025 Chrome. The rest of them are still in packs as far as we know. Cactus Jack with a little drawing. The stuff from this year's Chrome. The Super Fractures hasn't surfaced so that that card from from the red brand 2026 auto still out there. Like these reinscriptions are getting harder and harder to find. Steve got the one from Exalted which was great. But like I think Rhea, like I said, her market is primed to continue to go up as long as she is on the trajectory that she's on. So to your point, I think this might be a little bit low. But it's a second five figure sale for a top snout card in as many months. It's kind of crazy. Bianca Belair was also not the only WrestleMania patch autograph to sell. Damian Priest sold on fanatics collects for $7,800 with buy it with buyer's premium. I think that people will point to this sale and and sort of present the counterpoint that we were making. But here's something that you mentioned in the previous segment which is I just don't think that wrestlers without a competitive market are going to fare as well in a lot of these circumstances. And yes, Damian Priest is a former champion, but he's kind of been relegated back to the mid card and like he's not doing the stuff on TV that I think people want to see. He's got the look, he's got the moves, but that's about it. I'm not as impressed with his character work as he probably needs to be in WrestleMania. I'm sorry, in WWE, a WrestleMania patch autograph where he did wrestle. But I don't think it was like an important enough match for people to remember. There's just not enough competition for Damian Priest card. Same with Jey uso. Same with some of these other guys. Very, you know, prominent wrestlers on TV and popular wrestlers on tv. But from a collector perspective, maybe their markets aren't as big. I said each of these cards will have its own market. This is one that sort of fell well below the radar. I gotta assume this is the highest selling Damian Priest by a long by a million. I think this ended a route where it's honestly worth considering what the other ones we know of. At the lower tier he's above lower tier but he's still a mid card I think. What's he doing stuff at AAA now which is good. You know I've always look at three times there. Yeah, the, the issue with Priests is that it's a little too late. I mean he's in his 40s from my understanding. Yeah, it's going to be hard to get more championships if they even put it back on him. Still an iconic WrestleMania. Cash in on the money in the bank on Drew McIntyre. Obviously great story there. I, I like what Damian Priest has done, but there's not a crazy. There probably is a couple of Priest collectors but they're not like spending crazy amount of money. They're not used to it. Yeah, they're spending like 50 bucks on one of his autographs. $10,000. I think I bought his flawless auto defy the finishers PSA 10 on compsy for less than 200 bucks. I was like okay for a PSA, you know like you can get him fairly affordable. So I think this about where I need to go. I think this is a best case 6000 like lowest sorry low case, high case 10,000 hour card. So I think it's right in the middle which is about what, what do you expect with somebody of his color? Yeah. And like I like I think Drew McIntyre is the poster child for this segment of wrestling cards. Like he is probably he's a male wrestler, accomplished male wrestler who you know, has collectors but like you said, aren't used to spending $10,000 on a Drew McIntyre card. Even a super fracture autograph with inscription. But like and I know a few of them. There's a guy in Germany who has a ton of them heavy cards is his name. He did help me out on a bunch of stuff. Great guy. Like I think for, for these types of guys for these types of segments. Damen Priest is like probably right in the middle. Drew McIntyre is right at the top and he barely cleared $10,000. I think this is, this is pretty, pretty much where it should be. Speaking of 2019 transcendent, we were just covering that in the Goat Sex God in the Goat sets segments Edit Goat Sex I Yes, I realize what I said. This is the oversized dual cut autograph of Macho Man Randy Savage and Sherry Martell. I think this is the second or third time this card is sold and card sold so many times. I can't so many times. But it keeps selling and it keeps selling and it sells for 50, $100 via auction on ebay earlier this month and I. I like. Listen, the, the. The oversized cut autograph space is good. I love that they have great photos on this card. But because it's an oversized card I think it probably isn't as. It's not a single macho man. You know, it's. It's not as getting the type of money that it probably deserves. And these oversized cut autographs are awesome. Cards in hand. I have the four Horsewomen one and it's amazing but you know collectors are just particular about these types of things. Right? Yeah. I'm not a huge. So my thing's always been if you had autograph cards on car or sticker, I don't need a cut of you. I know that Bray Wyatt Flawless is up right now for an insane number. Why do I need to spend 3 to $5,000 on a Bray Wyatt cut that I don't even think looks that good? The card itself looks good, but the cut, meh. You could have probably found a better one. Like why would I go? Why didn't Steve buy this? It's labeled to Steve. Yeah to Steve. Yeah. By if your name's Steve, then yeah, I get get it. But I'm. I'm glad I acquired the Macho man tops WCW NWO PS8 autograph last year at the national for my collection for significantly less. I get it. It's a one to one it's a cut. It's Sherry Martel. But to me I'm not a big oversized collector. I'm not a big memorabilia collector. Do I have some stuff? Sure. You know, but it's not something that is me. But do. Does this look awesome for what it is? Absolutely. It's beautifully done. Couple of big sales from Topps Royalty as well. We had two of the pillar pillars of greatness autograph. One of ones probably two of the biggest names in the set. Liv Morgan one of one sold for $3,653 via auction on ebay. And then Stephanie Vacair sold for $3,050. The one of one. Both of these cards were pulled within like an hour of each other I believe on fanatics Live or on whatnot. I can't remember. Didn't Randall pull the vic here if I'm correct? I think so, yeah it was. Or one of them. He pulled one of them but like so Card Shop Live pulled one and I think maybe MMA Shark pulled the other. I can't even remember. Breaks and takes, I can't remember. But either way like these on. So there's two sets from royalty or Two types of cards from royalty that are just popping off right now. One of them is the royal decree set, which is the acetate on card autograph. Rhea Ripley goes for like 700. The coronation autographs are the acetate cards for the veteran side of it. The Rock is in the redemption, but his sells for a ton. The triple H just shipped that. Look, I just got one and it's beautiful. By the way, those asset cards from royalty, I have the Becky lynch from the. The. The champions one. Like, those asset cards are going absolutely nuts, as they should. The other set that's going nuts are these pillars of greatness, which I think is one of the better looking sets that royalty did. So I think like both of these cards selling for $3,000 might be a little low actually. But that's. And that's why you don't sell things at auction. You just got to be patient and take the offer when it comes to. But yeah, to see both of them sell pretty right there with 3,001 and 3,600. Seems somebody had the same idea on both of those cards, so. But Liv has a great picture. Vicara has a great picture. They're beautiful cars with the foil. I like it. So I think somebody got a deal on both of these. Considering what Vikir is one of ones we're bringing. I get she's signing more and she's off tv. You know, this is significantly less than a lot of the one on ones that we know that sold in market, so. And again, beautiful set. The way these pop, it just stands out for the 101s. I'm gonna tell you, the one on ones in. In this product are hard to hit. We. We have had several customers. Think we're down to our last few box royalty. We had two or three guys probably in the past month rip combined, probably 20 boxes in shop. I know they hit a couple, but. And they're hard. They're not easy. I mean, it makes you those WrestleMania patches more harder and valuable to get, in my opinion. Yeah, for sure. Speaking going back to 2019 transcendent and the. The market performance of Brock Lesnar being what it is his. So it seems like somebody is going in like selling through their stash of 2019 transcendent, which I think is a mistake because I think it's one of the best sets Tops has ever made. It's absolutely gorgeous cards. They're framed. They're gold framed, and they look great. This is the one of one Brock Lesnar red autograph. It sold for $2,000 via Best Offer. And you know, Brock's having a day right now because he's back on tv. People know he's about to retire, give or take, given what happened at WrestleMania. And like selling this for $2,000, considering that his super fracture from Cosmic sold for like 2,400 or whatever, I, I think this was a mistake, but I'm not going to get involved in the minutia of that. But like the, these cards, the red autographs, especially from 2019 Transcendent, are so awesome in hand with the, with the red foil on the. The name and stuff like that. The gold frame. I love these cards. Yeah, I. It's crazy. Lesnar for. For the longest time, his cards is one of ones were never easy to sell. They really weren't obviously news and all that stuff that went out the window, but he was always a tough sale. Now we're seeing the. He getting the recognition he deserves for the best combat athlete in history, arguably, and what he was in wwe. And we're watching potentially the end of his career. But man, what a career. What a career this man's had. And the respect. I mean, this guy almost went and made the Vikings team without playing football since like what, high school or whatever. He was in a motorcycle accident. I think he probably would have been like the third or fourth. Exactly. It's crazy. He's just a freaking nature. So again, first year Transcendent, beautiful cards. I agree. I think this went undersold. I think they're going to bring. They're. They're going to be bringing it back at some point. They have to. So I think these original debut cards from Transcendent are only going to go up. Vince McMahon was in the set. Those cards have been going up all like, even the Rollins, the, the Becky stuff has been going up. Charlotte Flair has been going up like Rhea Ripley has a base card in. In one of these sets, the 2020 set. Like those have been, we're selling for like $100 a pop for years now they're going for like 2, 300 bucks. Like I think like anything Transcendent because of what has been building on the baseball side. And eventually they'll probably do it in basketball and football as well. Like, once the Transcendent name comes to be a force of nature in cards, these debut ones are going to be the, the set that people go back to all on card. Great, great set overall. And this was Austin, the Austin card specifically. Probably one of the best looking stone cold Steve Austin cards ever made. It really is. All right, let's do a quick takeover update. Acknowledge our sponsors. Wrong hand. There we go. And we are. Less than a couple of weeks. Ryan and I have been flaving over a hot computer here, trying to figure out how we're going to make this even better for the collectors that are coming. It's all free. It's all going to be happening July 31st. The Embassy Suites. Come join us. Be a part of it. Get added to the list. You just made the list. Email. Yeah. Booktolastpodcastmail.com Come and party with us and the rest of the wrestling card community. The Embassy Suites. Friday night, we're going to watch Smackdown. We're going to have a great time. It's going to be amazing. We. We expect about three to 400 people to show up. I can't even begin. We. We started a chat on Instagram just connecting collectors at the national convention. We're going to be there collecting wrestling. Like if you want to get added to that chat, send me a DM on Instagram. WWE Gelman. Let me know that you want to be added. You're going to be at the national. We want you to come to this event for every reason we've talked about for like eight weeks now. But it just keeps getting better and better. Yeah, it's. It's crazy to see this come together and where we're at. We're almost at the finish line. We're at the point of recording a little over two weeks out, you know. Again, thank you to MC Sports Card, Sports Card Junction Card Shop, Live Bloods Online Card Letter Mama Breaks, THC Brian, BCW Wax Culture and Card Vault by Tom Brady. For jumping a part of this. What a lineup of people in this industry that all want to be a part of this. Everything's coming together. We've got the shirts. I'm actually getting them, I think dropped off tomorrow for my guy as the time of recording. Stickers are in the stand talls just came in. You'll get that today. It's all coming together. This is going to be an amazing event. So please come on out if you're going to be there. This is an opportunity like no other. This crazy. See where this started from years ago. Adam, just in a small room at the Hyatt of just a wrestling gathering to where we're going with this now. And I hope this is the beginning of something even bigger down the road. So thank you again everybody for being a part of it. Definitely get a hold of us. Book the last podcast gmail.com you plan to come. If not show up, you know, we'll be set up in our booths. We'll be talking about it there. You need any information, we're happy to help you. Again, this is going to be an all out amazing event. I'm so excited to see it come together. All the hard work that's been going in by everybody is really going to pay off. And I think the best part about it, it's freeness for the community. It's something that the wrestling card community has never really had to this level. And it's well deserved in my opinion. For the fan, the collectors and the fans, and the loyalty of the wrestling card community, there's just nobody better than the wrestling card collectors. Yep. Absolutely. All right, we are going to finish off this week and we're going to try our best to keep this under an hour here. Oh, we're close. We're close. We're. We're so close. So one of the things we've talked about during the course of this podcast, When a big sale happens, how should different hobby Personas, the collectors, the dealers, and the investors react? Are there aspects that they should consider that are different than most of the common reactions? Like, I think the most common reaction whenever a big sale happens is, okay, that sold for that. How much is mine worth? What are some of the other things that you think big sales should invoke in these different Personas? I really think, you know, obviously you're going to have. Everybody's got an opinion, oh, that went too high. That went too low. That's insane. Like, I think it's just great to see that the awareness coming into this aspect of the industry, this part of the hobby, I mean, everybody's gonna think differently. There's just. There's no convincing anybody differently. But I think the Persona should be. It's what's best for the. The collector to where if that sold to a true collector, no matter what it went for, at the end of the day, if you're the collector and you want it, no matter if you had to pay more than ever, you should just be happy for that person, you know, should be thrilled they got that for their collection. I think that's the most important thing. It's like, you know, I run a business. I'm here to buy and sell. Yes. The other day, I'm a collector and I want to see as many collectors get cards into their collection and out of the hands of the market. It's like the opportunities are there that we don't know if that Stone Cold Rock's going to ever be sold again? We don't know. If it's getting locked up. Will it go for more? We don't know. I mean, these are things that only time will tell. But at the end of the day, my biggest thing is at the end of the day, if the collector gets it, it's all that you matter. Yeah. I think from a reaction standpoint, like, being, Being excited and happy, I think is. Is one reaction that I would like to see more of. Like, so many people are like, oh, I'm priced out or all this or that or whatever. Like, if a big sale happens, like, just be excited that you were a part of the early adopters, that you are one of those people that probably passively benefits if you own wrestling cards. If you're listening to this podcast, I'm guessing you do. So I think, like, that's, that's a good point from Ryan's take of being like, yeah, it's, it's. It may not be your win, but it's a win for the overall community. And I think that brings more spotlight, it brings more eyes, it brings more attention. All that is good. I would also say that, like, taking stock of your own collection on a regular basis is really important. And if you are seeing specific things happen, like these kabooms selling for five grand when they used to sell for one, like, if you are like, we, all of us who were around when Revolution was released probably were in a ton of those case breaks, we probably have some of them at some point. If you were part of those wrestlers that were on the checklist, like, maybe that's the time to start taking inventory of what you have and what needs to be moved. But it's also, like, from an investor standpoint, if you're coming into this market and you're seeing big sale after big sale after big sale, like, maybe recognizing that there is something stirring here and that this is a place where that money belongs, I think collectors are quick to sort of jump on the bandwagon. That's like, oh, that'll never sell for that much money again. Like, when the rock sold at 227k, that was the initial reaction is like, oh, if they resell it, it's never going to be worth more. I think that might be changing now. So I think, like, there's a lot of different situations here that could result from these big sales. But if you're a dealer, if you're a collector, just especially if you have a big collection, you're ready to Move stuff. That's, that's, that's a win for you. But more importantly, it's probably a lesson to hold more than anything. And like we all don't know when the peak is happening. The peak will happen. It always happens. But we don't know if that peak will lead to a downfall followed by a larger peak. Like we did see after 2023, everything went down. Now everything is kind of back up again. Like it's probably a lesson to look at this more long term than we ever have in the history of our hobby is like we don't need to make short term, quick snap decisions anymore. We can take stock, we can react more effectively if we take a longer term approach on a lot of this stuff and say, hey, I'm a collector first. I'm going to hold my stuff and if it continues to go in this direction, here's my exit plan, here's my outnumber or whatever it might be, right? Yeah, it's funny. You collector, dealer, investor. Like you want to know, I touch all three of these because I love to collect. However, I am a shop. I'm going to be set up at the Nashville as a dealer, but I'm also looking to buy things to invest in. I think that there are certain things, like I said, I'm going to continue to buy Flawless. I think the kabooms, as crazy as they're getting, still have room to go up. They were one per master case of 16. You can find the product anywhere. They did it one time. How I wish they would have done. Gold and greens would have been awesome. But that was it. It was a once and done. So I make those decisions every day, do I? When we buy, it's like whenever something comes to me card wise, I got to go. Look here, we got to siphon it out three ways. Is this going to me, Is it going to shop? Is it going to Nashville, Is it going to go back long term? You know, I think those Personas are all three that fit me. And not trying to make this about me, but I have to make those decisions. Each one of those. A lot of people do. A lot more people now than ever because it's so much easier now to sell. And you got to decide as a seller, dealer, an investor, when is the time to sell. I think there's certain products that are way down here, but I think there's certain thing. It's like get rid of that asap. So I have to make those decisions daily. Do I always make the right decision? Heck no. You know, I don't know what the future is going to tell. I don't know what this roller coaster is going to bring. But there's times that I've sold stuff. Last year I sold a ton of Flawless. This year I've been buying it back for more than I sold last year. I'm like, I think it's going to go up. So again you have to, you have to think that mindset on a lot of things. If you're straight collector then you don't have to worry about. Those are aspects. Yeah, not as much and I think like as, as you see the data, recognize the three things, who sold it, where did it sell and what was the timing of the sale, the platform of the sale, stuff like that. Because all of those things contribute to the eventual final value of these cards that are shown at the compact card ladder. There's a lot of things in that that you don't see. Like are they trading in other cards to consign to help pay for that card? Like bingo. We are in a bigger spot now. There's manipulation that's going to happen at a lot of different levels because we're just in that space now. Like we're no longer the deep dark corner of the universe. We are front and center in some cases, especially with this rock and stone cold sale. Like that was one of the bigger sales for that auction but still well below the grail floor for what was sold on that elite auction. But still up there for the first time since, you know, a long time from, from its. The rock sold for 126k in 23 if I'm correct. You know, been a while. Been a while to see the card of this magnitude go for nearly six figures. Yep. All right, so next week we are going to have our national convention extravaganza episode. We're going to have Brett joining us. We're going to have Brian THZ Sports Cards joining us. Ryan's going to have his last show before he heads off to Chicago. I am so excited, I am so excited for not only for this show but for the, for the weeks that will follow. It will air the Saturday before everybody heads out to Chicago. We'll do probably do some other quick follow ups and other things like that. But I think that we've been planning now since January, like basically since January for this day. And you've been planning even longer than that. About a year. It's been about a year in the making. So yes. And we're ending today so you can get back to work, because I know how much work you put into this, just not just for RBI crew, but for your team and for your family and for everything. And I think it'll pay off, hopefully for for us as much as it will be for you. But until then, we will see you next week. Big Gulps. See you later. So much excitement, so much momentum around Wrestling Cards. Excited to be able to deliver these episodes to you all each and every week. Make sure you go tell Ryan and Adam they're doing a good job. They put a lot of passion and energy into each of these episodes. We appreciate you, the loyal listener of the book to Last podcast. Shout out RBI crew 7. Make sure you go check them out at the National. Their selection of Wrestling Cards is going to be insane. Until next week. Take care. Talk to you soon.