The Next Sports Card Boom Starts TODAY

Today, in the next few days, we'll take Hobby Hype to a level never seen before. You've got Fanatics Fest with a wild assortment of celebrities and stunts that are sure to drive tons of media attention to the sports card hobby. And oh yeah, you've got the West Coast Card show and the Dallas Card show taking place this weekend as well. What will it all mean for the growth of the hobby? We'll debate now. Hello, sports card investors, and welcome to another episode of Cards on the Table from the Arena Club Studio inside Cards hq. And by the time you are watching this, we are in New York City. We're part of the chaos, we're part of the mayhem that that is going to be Fanatics Fest these next few days. In fact, as soon as we finish this episode, we got to get to the airport, get on up there and start the show. Guys, this is going to be an absolutely insane few days ahead of us for the hobby. We're going to talk about Fanatics Fest and some of what's going on there because it's wild what they're doing this year. You've also got the West Coast Card Show. You've also got the Dallas Card show, which by the way, we've got people at. For Cards. Cards HQ is officially going to. To all three card shows. Is this right? Yep, they are. We're there. We're there. We're at a. Unfortunately, we're only at Fanatics Fest. I would love to see Dallas and West coast as well, but we got team members at all three. And then, yeah, we got the national coming up here in about less than two weeks as well. So a crazy couple of weeks for the hobby. I think this means that this next two weeks will be the. The most exposure the hobby has ever gotten ever in the history of the hobby on a national media type of level. We're trying to feed into that here at Sports Card Investor. In fact, we are doing, for the first time ever, we're doing two videos a day releasing from Fanatics Fest. So in fact, you guys are watching this tomorrow morning. So Friday morning we're going to have our first video out from Fanatics Fest. Then we're going to have one launch later in the day, Friday. Then Saturday morning, Saturday evening, Sunday morning, Sunday evening, we're going to have videos from Fanatics Fest. You're doing a video for the Market Movers channel. Saturday we'll have a bonus Market Movers video. Monday we'll have the regular Market Movers video. There's a lot of content We've got a lot of content crew video coming out Saturday from Fanatics Fest. So we'll have at least. We're going to have in total at least 10 full length YouTube videos releasing from Fanatics Fest here over like the next five or six days across all of our channels. So make sure to tune in, make sure you're subscribed everywhere and for good reason, because Fanatics Fest this year, they're trying to up the game further and just to set the context for what's going on. Two years ago, the debut year of Fanatics Fest 2024, they had about 70,000 people attend. Last year they had about 125,000 people attend. Of course, we don't know yet how many people are attending this year, but what we do know is that ticket sales are stronger than they were the last two years and they added an extra day. So Fanatics Fest has started today, Thursday, whereas the previous two years it was only Friday through Sunday. So more days, more ticket sales and just more happening at the event. Obviously you've got the World cup finals, which are this Sunday in New York. So that is very much tied into Fanatics Fest. They've got a big FIFA exhibit. They've also got the both of the World cup finals teams. The press conference is tomorrow, Friday, where all those players are coming to Fanatics Fest for the press conference. They got a lot of soccer stars that are going to be around the show floor as well, historical soccer stars. You've got the Walk of Fame this year where they're promoting more sports star and celebrity interaction than previous years because they're going to be actually more exposed on the show floor for them to interact with fans who are at Fanatics Fest. And of course they got a big lineup, as they always do, of celebrities. You got Tom Brady back again. You got Wemby there this year. Aaron Judge is going to be there this year. I mentioned a ton of different soccer stars. Of course, you got all the big wrestling stars again. We got Cade Cunningham this year. I know Teapot is excited. We're excited. With the Detroit Store coming, we got our boy. I had to represent today. It's a Lions, but that's right. That's right. Even Ryan Reynolds, who is the person my wife is by far most excited about, which I have mixed feelings about. But Ryan Reynolds will be there at Fanatics Fest as well, along with a lot of other celebrities. They're doing no museum this year. Last year they did like a museum of sports cards and they're doing Gnome Museum this year because they took that space over for all of the New York teams. So they're doing a much bigger tie in this year with all the New York teams. They're all going to have a big presence including by the way, the entire Knicks team. And of course that's the big one at the moment. The entire Knicks team is going to be at Fanatics Fest and they're going to do big activations. There's. They've made some other enhancements like adding food trucks this year, adding a tailgate zone. They're doing the tops trade night again. I think it's going to be bigger and better than ever this year. A lot being put into this event. A lot of hype building a lot of hype around it. What do you guys expect? The combination of Fanatics Fest plus West coast plus Dallas. Are we expecting this to end up being the most high hyped weekend maybe ahead of us here in sports card history? What do you think? T Pac when we heard the news last year that Fanatics Fest was going to be in July this weekend right before the national when Dallas, we discussed this originally. Just the timing of it, it's crazy. This is a really crazy time. I'm curious to see how many people are going to show up to these different events. I've been messaging with different people on Instagram asking are you going to be at Fanatics Fest? Are you going to be at the National? A lot of people are, one or the other. It's just a ca. There's a cost element if you're going for like your own personal hobby experience. People are actively choosing between the two and people did that last year with Fanatics Fest being in June. But I think even more now, they're like, look, between trying to get time off of work, travel costs, everything, it's expensive to get into New York City right now. I saw the hotel room bills and it was not cheap for us to book and travel all these people to come into town. So I'm excited, I'm grateful to be going. I'm really looking for this year just to continue to be bigger and better. Last year was my first year, but I heard from you, I heard from others on our team that last year was that much bigger and better organized than the first year that they did it. I was just really impressed overall with the operation in general. Things flowed really smoothly last year. I thought it was laid out very clearly. It was intuitive. The food court was. Was good last year. So I'll be curious about the food trucks and what that brings to the table. I. What I'm really hoping to see is two things. One, some of the athletes last year were super into it. They were like, really. They were like, actively participating. Others seemed a little more passive and along for the, like, ah, I'm kind of here contractually or something, you know, at least, you know, put on that face and that charm. People are really excited to meet these athletes. Young, young kids in particular, obviously. I guess Kim's excited to meet Ryan Reynolds. She's excited to meet Ryan Reynolds. I'm excited for Tim Tebow. He's apparently gonna be. Do you even know any Ryan Reynolds movies? Oh, man, I got him. Got him. You know, he's Deadpool at least. Oh, I did see Deadpool. He's Deadpool. That's one of the. One of the few movies. He's Deadpool. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not a movie. I'm not a movie guy. I spent all my time focused on sports cards. Teapot. No, he wasn't he in that one with Sydney Sweeney, maybe. I don't know. I'm a big fan of the movie Free Guy. Huh? Free Guy is a really good movie. Go check that out. But so I want to see more of that. Just more of that energy kind of flowing throughout the weekend. And then the other big thing is I'm going to try to make it a personal mission that if I see people who are in the card area who seem overwhelmed, bewildered, anything like that, I should have a good amount of time to walk around, mingle interact with people, to try to help educate them, Just let them know, let them know about the really good educational content that we have. Because we know that's a big part of the mission of why fanatics is doing these events every year. But they're trying to create a fan experience that then draws people into that broader ecosystem of the collectible space. And there were people last year who were walking through as we were set up, you know, at the booth last year, who were like. You could tell. They were kind of like, what's going on here? So, just, just looking forward to engaging with hopefully new parts of the fan base, connect with them, let them know about. About our content, about market movers and. And just, you know, give them good opportunities to. To learn more about cards and why. Why there's so many expensive pieces of cardboard and boxes, you know, all over the show floor. Ryan Gosling, by the way, not Ryan Reynolds. Oh, the Sydney Sweeney movie. Oh, not the same. Okay, Ryan Gosling. I just Want to clarify for the audience in case they were curious. Ryan Reynolds, though, soccer team owner. So that's going to be excited. I'd like to talk to him about that if he's there. That should be fun to watch. Good, Good documentary there, Carter. What are, what are you. What are you. Are you. Are you excited about Ryan Reynolds or what are we excited about here? Not excited about Ryan Reynolds. I'm excited for the card show part of this. Like, come on, like, everything else is going to be great. Y and I think a year ago when we were like, oh my gosh, Fanatics Fest, Dallas Card Show, West Coast Card Show, I was a little concerned. But we felt the growth of the hobby over the last couple months. We felt it here at Cards hc We've seen it at other card shows around the country. I think all three shows are going to be absolutely packed this weekend. Get ready for all the social posts. I think people are going to be surprised. I'm hearing west coast card shows going to be crazy. I just think there's so many people out there that cannot make the trip to New York. Yeah, it's a tough travel. That is the. That is the show to go to on the West Coast. So there are so many people that are making the trip there and it's already hard enough for some of those people to even make it to the National. So even. I think, you know your point on people making decisions between Fanatics Fest and the National. I think there's a lot of people in this country that are making a decision between the West Coast Card show and the national just because of the. The trip distance and how close they are as well. So I think the Dallas Card show just has such a local base where the foot traffic comes. There's commitment from dealers that are going to continue to show up every two months. I'm really excited though for Fanatics Card Show. It's the best dealers, it's the best card shops around the country. And I think there's going to be so many new people. There's going to be a lot of people to educate and make sure that they have really big welcome to the hobby. I felt that two years ago when I went Fanatics Fest. I missed that last year, but I know there's me a lot more new people coming this year. Yeah, yeah. Have you seen on the map they. The card show element of it? They've kind of moved that around a lot this year. They made a lot of changes to the layout this year. I've seen that yet. Yeah, it's going to be really interesting. If you look at the maps of the show, the card shows really kind of of completely differently oriented. They actually, they broke it up into three like the. The kind of three groupings within the experiences. So it's going to be. It's not all one continuous kind of at the side of the show. Now it's three groupings with the experiences around. Trying to weave it more organically. I think it's gonna be. I think that's a good thing. That was one of the pieces of feedback that I gave the organizers in the previous years was immerse the card show more within the experiences. Because really one of the whole purposes of doing the card show at Fanatics Fest is so that the general everyday sports fan who shows up for the experiences but maybe isn't a collector currently. You want them to have the interaction with collecting to introduce them to the hobby. And so if you have the. If you have the cards intermixed within the experiences, you're more likely to have some of those collisions for that everyday sports fan to kind of see the cards and maybe get part of it. So I'm happy they made those show floors. Hopefully improvements. We'll see. We'll see how that plays out this year. But yeah, it's going to be wild and I will be very curious to see is Dallas at all maybe affected? Because I've heard a lot of buzz about West Coast. There's a lot of buzz about Fanatics Fest. Does Dallas still have the strength of show that it normally has or does it see some of its core dealers and attendees veer to one of the others? I don't know. Or is the hobby strong enough right now to support all three and you get great buzz out of all three. The hobby's pretty strong right now. There's a lot of great dealers all over the country and then in Canada and coming from other places too. I think it'll be really strong in all three places. It's going to be a big weekend. It's going to be. It will undoubtedly be the biggest weekend in card show history this weekend. I guarantee that just the number of transactions taking place across all three of these shows combined into one. It's going to be the biggest weekend the hobby has ever seen in card show history. And then you got the national in a week and a half after. After these ones end. Yeah, no sleep. No sleep at all. No sleep. For our team especially. It's going to be. It's going to be really exciting. If you are coming to Fanatics Fest Cards HQ has a booth. We will be buying and selling at our booth. Come see us at Fanatics Fest. And of course if you can't make it, don't forget to catch all of our video coverage of Fanatics Fest starting here tomorrow morning, Friday morning on the sports Card Investor channel with our first release and two video releases per day plus releases on market movers and card crew during the Fanatics Fest event. All kinds of great stuff for you to watch and see. Okay, before we get more into the craziness of some of these other topics like Topps new flagship football set which they just announced. Big news to talk about there. Let's rip a couple of slap packs, a couple of Arena Club slapbacks. You want to do that? Let's do it. Teapot. How about a little football? Ruby? Football is what I was looking at this week. And you got a Kaiju or not a kaiju, an ultraviolet it. Tom Brady PSA10 has a grail and Tom Brady auto out of five star. And then I was looking within the the chase cards. I've got the oversized stained glass of this mahomes that my son Roman pulled and so that one would be really cool in the PSA 10. And then as I was scrolling down there was this Kelvin Johnson. You know that caught my eye. Even though it's an eight. I don't care. It's a gold refractor out of 2009 Bowman Chrome. So a lot of good choices. Football is going to be here before we know it. For all intents and purposes, I already feel like it's late August just with everything we've got going on. So football's almost here. I had to go with football. Let's rip your football pack. This is a ruby nice little affordable $250 slab pack here for Marina Club. Who do we got? Will Johnson. Okay. On cold ice, number to 10. It's a 10 rated rookie. Okay, not the biggest name, but let's see. Can we see the value? I'm curious what the value of that card was. Oh, I did all right. You made money. Wow. Nice. You're positive this might make me three to two to two in our little contest. Okay, that's good. So that was basically a $300 card value out of a 20 $250 ruby pack. Nice to see. Carter, what did you rip? I ripped baseball. Okay, let's see what Carter gets. Oh, there we go. Vintage. Yes, I love vintage. Two tops. Willie Mays. Tell you what, that will be a popular card at fanatics Fest definitely see if they can overnight that to you. Take it. Take it with you. What? What is that one worth? What is that one worth? $160. Okay, so you didn't do as good as Teapot on that one. I also did baseball. Oh, look at that. The Bill Ripken. I love that. Actually, guys, you get points for Iconic. I actually want that for my PC. And thankfully, since it's the black box version, we don't have to buy it. It's safe to show on the show. It's safe to show on the show to the audience. What's that one worth? All right, $133. Okay, so I came in last place. Teapot was the one who was profitable on this Slab pack. Let's go. Here's a key trick, though. If you haven't bought one of these Arena Club slab packs before, if you use Promo code SCI at checkout, you get 20% off your slab pack. So that $250 Ruby slab pack, that becomes only $200 for you. Promo code SCI. So once again, download the Arena Club app or go to arenaclub.com promo code SCI at checkout. 20% off your first purchase on Arena Club. All right, guys, let's jump into our next story. Today I want to talk about Topps 2026 flagship football. I got to tell you, Topps broke the news this week that they will be releasing Flagship football, their paper product, their first licensed Topps flagship football set, in more than 10 years. Right. Because they came out with Topps Chrome for this past season, but not Topps flagship. So this will be the first topps paper product. 2026 Topps flagship football. Here's what's most exciting about this. It's going to release on August 21st. That's a couple before the season. Yeah, it's great news. I love that. We're not used to this. No, I haven't seen this in seven years. I don't know what's going on. We're used to, you know, Panini products coming out after the season's over. Yeah, Even Topps for the last few years, it's been a struggle. Everybody's been a little bit behind, but yes. So they're actually going to open up pre orders for this later this month. That shows how close we are to football season, by the way. Later this month, July 24, pre orders open. The set will drop August 21. The design pattern is like baseball products from this year, which I personally really like the design with kind of the little jersey, you know, tie into the design. They've got on card autos, in some cases relics. They've got the golden mirror image variations. Yeah, I'm excited. They've got rookie cards in the entire 2026 NFL Draft class. And Fernando Mendoza is the COVID athlete, as you might expect. So with all of that said Carter, I'm going to start with you on this. What are you most looking forward to with this release? I'm just looking forward to having a football set before the season point blank. I mean you guys already mentioned it, but what I really hope the most is that this is produced the quality enough and the amount enough that the pricing is right. Like this product needs to be right for collectors. Even the recent football products continue to skyrocket. They're very expensive and historically even with Panini, football products have been generally expensive for a flagship product. I really hope the market understands this is a flagship paper product. There's going to be chrome coming out later this year. That's going to be more exciting. This is a great paper product to get in. You know, I think Topps is going to juice it in different ways. I think they're going to make it exciting, you know, but I want that price to stay reasonable for collectors. Yeah, I agree, I agree. And hopefully this is a good entry point for collectors. That that is how it should be. Should be an affordable rip, hopefully. Teapot, how about you? There's a lot that stands out. First of all, I'm just looking at that this Fernando Mendoza here with the photo variation. I love the image they chose for that. So I'm excited about that. I, I love the true photos out of Topps flagship. And what I caught my eye is this Jameer Gibbs they're showing on the website is serial numbered 1 of 10. So I don't know if that's a mistake on the marketing promo because these are not serial numbered in baseball. I don't know if they're moving to baseball like that. This is, I don't know, this is really interesting. And they've got the player's name on there. So there's. There's some differences. I don't know if they're experimenting between the two, but that stood out to me. I also noticed in the pictures there's a Cam Ward relic, there's a Drake May relic. Both of them say player worn memorabilia, not game worn. I have had questions about. It's much more Difficult in a 17 game season for football teams to get access to game worn memorabilia than it is 162 game season in baseball or an 82 game season in basketball. So I don't know. It is, it's flagship, it's entry level flagship. This isn't Dynasty, this isn't other products that are a little more high end. So I'm not surprised to see that, but curious, you know, if that really was kind of supply constraints or why they did that. But overall, like you said, I'm really excited that this is coming out before the season. I know some people get cranky about speculation, but to me that's part of the hobby ecosystem. Getting excited about rookies and calling your shot, going after some of this stuff. Now a lot of them are going to be Super Juice. Mendoza's Cards are going to be really expensive, almost to the point where I'll probably be making a market movers video saying don't, don't get too sucked in early on the secondary market to these cards. Wait a little bit. But just even having the opportunity to go out on maybe a sleeper candidate that you've got going into the season, if they're on the checklist, I think that's really cool. I'm glad to see the release cycles hopefully starting to more normalize and follow a consistent schedule every year. Flagship Top Series 1 comes out before the baseball season. So nice to see that carrying into football. I agree, I agree. If they can get that pattern going with all the sports with basketball before this next season as well, if flagship can come out before the season starts, that'd be awesome and continue that pattern for all the sports. So yeah, it's exciting. I'm excited to have some of this product here in Cards HQ and rip it when it comes out in August. Yes. I want to talk NBA for a minute. I actually, I have a prediction, a thought. We'll see. We'll see if this transpires. I think you're going to get LeBron's future team announcement at Fanatics Fest. Oh boy. I think that's going to happen here at Fanatics Fest over the next couple of days. That's going to be massive, massive news teapot. Whatever team acquires him, of course, will put themselves in position to be the front runner to win the NBA championship next season. Because he's that good. But you know, I'm predicting Cleveland. I think Cleveland for. I think he goes back to Cleveland. A lot of people now are saying Philly, that's. I guess they're the best team, you know, maybe out of the bunch that he could go to with the acquisition of Jaylen Brown. Maybe. Yeah, we'll See, I don't know. We'll see the scene. LeBron in Philly seems weird, but we'll see what happens. But we've got that news taking place. Of course. We had, you know, Jaylen Brown to Philly from the Celtics. We've had Giannis go from Milwaukee to Miami. Now it looks like Kawhi Leonard probably to Toronto, although there's been some issues there with that trade. You got all the new draft picks coming in to the league. So with all of that said, all this movement of players that has happened or is about to happen in the case of LeBron, what do you think affects Cards the most as we head into the next NBA season? Teapot, of all those things you just said all those things. Oh, I mean. Or you could go, you know, you could go look something off the wall. The first thing that stand, like, if you're talking about just kind of like losers overall so far, I feel like the Pistons have kind of been losers in the off season. Like, here's a team that was first in the east that clearly. And I said this going in, I loved what they did last year, but I had, I was very confident they would not make it to the Finals. They just, they need a little more offense. And so the big splash, this is huge news that they made was going out and re signing Kevin Herder to a three year deal. Kevin Herder. It was labeled on my push notification from ESPN. Pistons re sign sharpshooter Kevin Herder to three year, $27 million deal. Sharpshooter Kevin Herder shot 30.8% from three. That's good for 160th out of 161 qualified players. Last year he didn't even play in the playoffs. That's how valuable he was. So it's very frustrating. They got to go out. Now there's rumors suddenly saying that the Rockets might be open to trading KD to the Pistons. I don't know how I even feel about that. Look, there were players. Tyler Herro was rumored up until the 11th hour to be part of that package that sent Giannis to Miami. That hero was going to go to Detroit. And I thought, okay, at least I'll get some more, you know, offensive options around him. They got to do something overall. But people don't want to hear about the Pistons. The big News would be LeBron. And I really, you know how I feel about LeBron. I don't want to see him go to another team he's never played for. Like that to me would be the worst Case scenario, I just another team, another. And his agent came out and said like, oh, he's not chasing a ring. And I'm like, shouldn't he be chasing a ring? What do you mean? Why would he not? Isn't the goal of every player to go get a ring? Was a very strange comment. But it's going to be big news. It'll be interesting to see if we find out. As a fan of Giannis, I will have a major conflict if he goes back to Miami about my rooting situation there because I currently plan to root for Giannis. Still with the Heat. Yeah, there's a lot of players moving around and some of these rookies, by the way, or you know, who will be rookies, look every bit the part or every bit of like, fantastic in summer league so far, it's summer league. I don't get too excited about it, but there's some guys. DeBonsa looked amazing in the duel that he had against Peterson. So there's a lot. I don't know. There's a lot going on. There's a lot of moves. NBA is wild. You see teams go from, like, you know, second or third to last back into the playoff contention very often. So I don't know who to expect next year. I think the Wizards, you know, they have some talent in the next few years. Maybe they contend, but, ooh, Trey Youngbot's making a Trey Young. If they build around him. I think Trey's kind of a liability defensive. They got to build the right pieces around him. I don't know. What are your thoughts, Carter? I think. I think there's a winner of the offseason that you guys aren't talking about, and that's the Minnesota T Wolves, baby. I think LaMelo ball to the T Wolves, I don't think people are talking about with all these other big moves. I think that's a good one. And the T Wolves are a stacked team that can play well in the playoffs. They're built for that when they're healthy and they've had some good years in recent years. So I really like the Tee Wolves. I think there's opportunity in Anthony Edwards and LaMelo Ball cards in relation to Cards right now. So. And I think that going into the season, I don't think people are going to be paying attention that much. I think their cards are a little low. Anthony Edwards is one of the best in the NBA. I don't know. He's one of my favorite. I think Nas Reed was way more valuable than I was. I Think Nas Reed is valuable. I don't like Carter's body. I think that's something we're forgetting, though. I think you just went through a lot of different, you know, a lot of different wins and losses of the off season. This is a move that people are not talking about that much at all. And if we're talking about cards with our show, no one's paying attention to their cards, especially Lamello. Right. And if. And there's more things about winning. If Giannis goes to Miami and they don't win, what's that going to do? No, it's bad, right? I'm concerned. I just think. I think this team has an opportunity to win and go deep in the playoffs. And what's that going to do to both those guys? Cards? They're both hype guys from the 2020 draft class. I like this. Here's my analysis. Teapot does not respect or understand greatness. Carter of the ball, bros. First of all, you don't like the ball brothers don't respect or understand greatness. You don't like LeBron. You don't respect, respect, or understand greatness. Carter does. Carter gets it. Carter gets it. Now. Now. I really hope LeBron goes the Warriors. That's what I want. That would be fun, too. I want. I want. I want. I want the old guys to get together. Old guys versus young guys in the playoffs. I think that's what we need. Exciting, Draymond, that would be super exciting. I would. And then let's get Clay back on a minimum deal. Let's just get the whole squad and let's go. I did say I don't want to see him on a new team, but. But I would prefer him on the warriors than the he. That would be amazing. I think that'd be fun. Him and Steph and all the. Oh, that'd be amazing. Get KD back. Why not get the band back. Get them all. Get the band back together. Okay, last topic today, guys. We have another record sale. Ohtani Ohtani Superfractor 1 of 1. This is his 2018 Bowman Chrome batting 1 of 1 Superfractor. Just sold privately via fanatics collect. They brokered the deal for $3.365 million. This now becomes the most expensive Ohtani card of all time. Their previous record was set was a $3 million sale of his 2025 Topps Chrome Gold Logoman Auto 1 of 1 card. And then beyond that, it was his 2018 Topps Chrome rookie, which recently sold for around 2.6 million. But this Bowman Chrome at 3.36 million for the Super Fracture, most expensive of all time. It is a BGS9.5 teapot. Thoughts on the sale price? Surprise you? Record surprise you or is this just par for the course? No, it's just par for the course at this point. It doesn't really surprise me at all, especially in light this is the more desirable set. We know that for Ohtani. The Bowman over the tops chrome and it's hitting, not pitching. And so there's a lot of different aspects. Nothing about anything with Ohtani surprises me anymore. We're, we're now, I think pretty squarely in that conversation where if you start looking at analogs to other sports, I mean he's the guy for baseball now for, for anything modern, you know, or you know, really since going back to Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle. It's Ohtani even more so than Griffey at this point. And there's obviously much overall a greater volume of super nice cards of Ohtani for people to go after than there were of Griffey. So there's going to keep being big sales. The space that I'm a little concerned about overall is just you got cards like his, you know, third year Dodgers crystallized and these other ones that have like, they're just everything's expensive for Ohtani. Some of those are going for thousands of dollars for stuff like that. Yeah, so, so the conversation I was having with the spitballing guys with Scotty and others was like, how do you compare that? Scott brought the question up, he's like, how do you compare a card like this, Bowman crystallized for like 10k or something to like Manny Machado's Bowman Red Auto first like that. That's where the conversation starts getting interesting. And that's where I think you can create an analog with like Michael Jordan and you could find a eighteen thousand dollar Michael Jordan card which happens to be the same as like Reggie Miller's like, you know, third most expensive card ever. And you're like, I'd rather have the best card of a Hall of Famer than a card that most people don't even recognize in a high grade or something like that. So that's, that's more the space. This market's gonna, I think, continue to just be pretty crazy for the rest of time. Yeah. What do you think, Arter? This really poses the question when is the next or the first Ohtani car that's gonna sell for eight figures? Like how far away are we from that? Seriously? Like, I mean, so like what's the super autos doing what's the chrome, the, the tops chrome super auto doing like these cars are gonna come out of the woodworks at some point. I mean people are gonna see the opportunity. I mean the market is so hot and there's so many people buying these high end cards right now. There's so much demand. So when does somebody cash in, right? Is it this year, is it next year? Is it within five years? But I mean it's going to be unreal to see kind of an ultra modern player selling eight figures. It's going to happen here in the near future. I'll be honest, I actually thought this was slightly low. I agree. Like, I actually thought this was slightly low. You have Wemby's second year green Kaboom which just sold for close to 2 million, right? It did 1.6 or 7 million or something like that. Like this is the Ohtani Bowman chrome rookie super fractor. And Ohtani is a lot more established than Wemby. I'm actually surprised that it, it only did 3.36. Like, you know, especially when you compare it to some of, some of those other guys like Wemby. I felt like Ohtani should be, you know, it should be a 5 million plus card. Of course that said, I didn't, I didn't buy it. So I guess I could have, you know, maybe I should have put my money where my mouth was. Maybe I should have bought this. Maybe. Yeah. We got open Detroit. We got in Detroit. That's going to be, that's going to be expensive. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, there you go. Ladies and gentlemen. We are getting out of here because we are on our way to Fanatics Fest right now. We hope to see you guys there. If you are there that this weekend, please say hi to us at the CARDS HQ booth. And if not, watch our coverage here on Sports Card Investor. And in the meantime, don't forget to grab an Arena Club slab pack with promo code SCI for 20% off your first purchase on Arena Club. Thanks for watching. We'll see you soon with our next one. Take care.