Booked to Last: Why Wrestling Cards Have Never Felt Bigger

Foreign. Welcome back to Book to Last, the official wrestling card podcast here on the Stacking Slabs Network, sponsored by my good friends at RBI Crew 7. The biggest, the baddest, the best place to buy your wrestling card singles and wax in the universe. This episode is me and Adam. No, Ryan. Ryan is busy selling wrestling cards. The RBI Crew 7 booth is chock full of them at the National. If you're listening to this and you're at the national, make sure you stop by RBI crew 7. They've got quite the spread. We recorded this episode before Adam and I left for the National. On the other side of this, wrestling card takeover will be complete. Hopefully we will have good reports. I'm sure we will, but we weren't going to stop just because we haven't a big event in the way. Huh? We're going to keep this train rolling for all of you. Those at the national, those from afar were here to deliver high quality wrestling card content year round. That's what we do here. If you want to show your support for the broader Stacking Slabs network, hit the follow button. Tell a damn friend. It's a big busy weekend. We've got the national, we've got SummerSlam and we got a whole lot of wrestling card content to talk about. Let's get into it. Welcome to Book to Last, a wrestling card podcast for the card collecting community that goes from the top rope to top loaders. We are your hosts, Ryan Banister of RBI Crew 7 and Adam Gelman of Main Event Wrestling Cards here on the Stacking Slab Podcast network. Don't forget to like and subscribe here on Stacking Slabs, especially if this is your first time here joining up. You can find the patreon@patreon.com stacking slabs and you can follow Adam and I on social media at RBI Crew 7 and at WWE. Respectfully, let's ring that bell and get this slobber knocker on the way. What's going on everyone? We are back with book to last episode 30. It's the national week, so obviously Ryan Bannister, my usual co host, is off doing national things with his team. Best of luck to him. We have Brett doing a run in as well. I'm really happy to have you here because we're going to get to talk about some stuff that we haven't got as much to talk. We haven't been able to talk about coming out of New York last week and everything that's been going on for this week. By the time you guys listen to this, the national will Be partly over, I think in for the most part, but we wanted to get some content out there. Brett, are you excited as I am for this week to finally be here after six months of planning? I'm definitely excited. There's a lot going on. I am sitting here trying to close out some work. I'm also trying to prepare for the trip ahead. My, I had it all planned out. This is when I was going to leave. This is when I was going to get there. And then, of course, you know, you hear things from people and people want to meet at different times. So I am trying to leave earlier than expected, which is good. I think. More time at the national, why not? But Yu-Gi-Oh man, it's been a busy week. I was looking back, I think we've been planning Wrestling Card Takeover, which is kind of weird because it'll be over by the time this goes live to the masses. But it's been a hundred days plus that we have been talking about, so it's kind of wild. You've been primarily the point guy. So how are you feeling about the event in the National? I have to say that this is a feeling going into one of these shows that I don't think I've ever had before. We've done the main event before. We've done a party of some sort before. But I think the, the level of. Of execution and the effort needed to get a party like this off the ground is unlike anything I've ever experienced, both in my professional life, my personal life. Like, I don't even think our wedding was this big. So, like, I think that this is crazy. Like, it feels genuinely crazy. But I want to believe that by the time I'm listening back to this podcast, I'll feel like much more relieved and the weight lifted off of my shoulders. It's been an amazing ride and I can't tell everybody how excited I am. We'll talk about it here as we get a little bit further into the agenda for the, for the episode here. But I want to take some time at least to do some quick stuff around SummerSlam because I would be remiss to like, just say, like, hey, you know, when we're, when we're doing this and SummerSlam is in my hometown, the worst planning in the history of wwe. I don't get to go to Saturday night, which is the match I want to see the Hell in a Cell, but I just want to do a quick run through of some previews here. Then we'll get into some discussion around Fanatics Fest and National and everything we're going on this week. And hopefully it'll at least give some people who have been at the show some fun content to listen to on the ride home or whatever. But like, given what has happened this week in the different wrestling shows, like, do you feel like this SummerSlam is all it's been cracked up to be, or are you still feeling like there's more that needs to be told in terms of the story here? You know, I think I wasn't the biggest fan of the Go Home Raw show for a lot of different reasons, but I just thought it was a little bit clunky. There are parts that were very, very clunky. But I don't think I can complain too much because for me, when I'm consuming WWE product, especially at a premium live perspective, I usually just need like one or two really big matches to get me excited. And you know, there are, there are definitely, certainly a few matches that we can get into and talk about. But for my money, when I think about this era, I think about Seth Rollins and I think about Roman Reigns and the fact that they are getting back together, locking horns, Roman trying to avenge the losses or inability to really beat Seth in those big moments is enough to draw me in. You know, I think with some of the changes in booking this match maybe should have been a WrestleMania match, but we're getting it at SummerSlam. But I don't know, man, anytime you can get Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins in a ring for a massive championship moment, I'm there for it. So that is what I'm fired up to see. I think, you know, Roman from a work rate perspective has had. I know there hasn't been many, but he's had some of my favorite matches this year. I still, everyone kind of goes back and talking about WWE and Yu-Gi-Oh and best matches. Everyone wants to say Mask versus Match, which Mask versus Mask, which I think was definitely a awesome match and should be talked about. But I still go back to the, the Roman and Punk main event at Mania. So I'm hoping for another big moment for Roman and what a great dance partner. I mean, it feels like Seth Rollins can't really have a really bad big match in these moments, so that's what I'm looking forward to. Yu-Gi-Oh and I think like everybody wants to compare big feuds to Rock and Austin. That's always been the benchmark for everything. And I don't, I don't think that this has shown me that that is really the benchmark for feuds anymore because it's it's hard to only wrestle that person three times. Like I think like Roman and and Seth have wrestled each other I think like eight times or something like that. And as a result I think this match probably isn't as big or doesn't feel as big because we've seen this on the stage before. But I can't think of a better like angle plus wrestling match combo that exists. Right. So like I think we have these wrestling matches out there where you're going to have a really good angle leading up to it, but maybe the match isn't very good or you don't have a very good angle, but it has the banger of a. I think this has been a great angle feud that they've built through this. I think the promos and everything cutting coming up to this has been really good and I've been interested. Like I really want to see Seth and Roman go at it and I want them to put on a match that is worthy of SummerSlam. I think Roman is a betting favorite right now by a significant margin. I don't think anybody expects him to lose, but I want to at least feel like he's in trouble and I think Seth is probably the best person to set him up for that. I mean Roman's probably the most widely collected WWE Superstar of this current era. Maybe challenged by by Cody Rhodes or CM Punk or something like that. But it's hard to argue that Cena and Roman and those guys are on an S tier level. And I think like these and Seth really isn't that far behind but he signed for so much more than Roman has that I don't think his cards have really lived up to it. But I think like for from a hobby perspective these are two of the biggest names going at it. And then you know, you also have on on the previous night you have the biggest up and coming name with Obafemi and Brock Lesnar going at it. So I think like from a marquee sort of match perspective, Cody vs Punk, OBA and Brock, Seth and Roman, like those are like you said, WrestleMania type moments that are likely to be created. I think from a collecting perspective as well. Like it could not have aligned better for for collectors to see this sort of play out as it has. I want to get your perspective on this. This is something I was wrestling with in my head a couple nights ago and I was thinking about Roman Reigns and his cards and you know you've got different eras and I'm wondering if the different eras have different significance when it comes to Roman Reigns and you, you think about like obviously the, the first era, which is the Big Dog era, which is everyone's least favorite era of roaming Marines. You got his cards there, his first Tops cards. And then you've got the Bloodline era, which the hottest storyline of all time. Bloodline version one, and this is primarily in the Panini Era. And then you've got bloodline version 2, which is, Yu-Gi-Oh OTC era. Good branding in the kind of Tops era. Like I was thinking about this from the perspective of like you know, a player like perhaps LeBron James who's been on these, had these different cycles on different teams and he's collectible across the board. But it feels like different pockets of collectors like to gravitate to specific LeBron James cards based on a specific era. So I don't know, like, do you think that we as wrestling collectors can. Are that sophisticated where we can begin to pick and choose based on all these dynamics of the, the run that Roman Reigns has had? Yu-Gi-Oh I, I think so. I think I've seen the Roman collectors separate those out pretty exclusively. I think you're right. The Big Dog era is likely probably one of the, the least collectible eras. And then you have the bloodline V1, you know, that's absolutely, probably the most collectible. But I, I think like when all is said and done, I think these last two errors are likely going to probably blur together a little bit just because they're generally the same type of Roman approach. Just one's a heel and one's a face. But Yu-Gi-Oh I think, I think as collectors, like I've seen the rookie cards of the rookie cards, the Roman Leakey sort of FCW card, like those still have intrinsic value just because they're first. But I think beyond that, like the, the 2019, 2018 sort of tops run stuff just doesn't carry the same amount of value. And if you even look at like the 2021 transcendent cards, which is like his first sort of like high end tribal chief type card like that doesn't even have the level of collectibility that I think something like the Immaculate Jumbo patch autographs and the Prizm Golds and the stuff that came out during the Panini era, I think those are probably going to remain the most collectible Roman Reigns cards that exist, no matter if this second era ends up being better or some. For some reason. The only thing is the chase cards in the, in the OTC era I think are probably, if they can get a WrestleMania patch, if they can get like some of those really crazy chase cards, then that. Obviously my answer will change. But, you know, the inscriptions are cool from tops and everything like that. I love that stuff. But it's hard to beat those early Panini cards, especially the Prizm stuff, right? Yu-Gi-Oh I tend to lean that way. Just as we have the slide up, I feel like we need to take a minute to talk about Obafemi. Like, from a collector perspective, where do you think we're at? Like, we. We like to say in the hobby. Like, we're in this inning. Like, I knew you were gonna say this. What inning are we at with Obafemi? Because I. It feels like sometimes we get really excited about someone from a collectibles perspective, and then it kind of fades. It doesn't go all the way down, but, like, it maintains. But other times, and I feel like this is the rare occasion where the train keeps moving and it's our opportunity as a collector to jump on and stay on. Or wait, I'm curious. Like, obviously the company is completely behind Obafemi. There he is, the guy. You know, his cards are selling well, but I don't know, like, what's your forecast on Obafemi and his collectibility, like, in the next kind of two to three years? Yu-Gi-Oh I. I think that's so, like, we're in the phase of his, like, the rookie hype cycle, right? So, like, we. If you think about how careers usually progress in football and basketball, like those first two to three years, and we're sort of in that with Wemby right now. We're in that with Jackson Dart especially, who I think is. Is probably not going to have the type of performance that is necessitating the prices that people are paying for his cards. But, like, when you look at what Obafemi represents, he is that blue chip rookie prospect. I mean, and I think there are some wrestlers like Kendall Gray and others who are still before that cycle. Right. Starting OBA is like kind of the. The past, the starting line, but not quite to the middle of the race where people tend to sort of like, adjust their. Their collecting strategies. So I think, like, I believe personally he's the front runner by a million miles to one-of-one the Royal Rumble. And like, I. I think I've told multiple people within the last week who are determining what they're bringing to the national convention to. To trade and do whatever I say. Leave your Oba cards at home. Like, don't even bring them. Thankfully, I've gotten a lot of redemptions out of chrome that I've been forced to redeem, so it prevents me from selling them before I ready. I don't have the. I don't have them in hand, so I'm really thankful for that. But I. If I'm holding Oba right now, I'm not moving a single one. I think he has an inside track to the main event of WrestleMania 43. The problem is it's in Saudi Arabia, and I think. I don't know what the collectibility of that WrestleMania moment is going to be compared to others. So that if this moment coming up at 43 would have happened, you know, in any other city, I think we would be. I would be even more so on the bandwagon. But the fact that he's going to one-of-one his first world championship, likely in Saudi Arabia, I think hurts it a little bit. But overall, I can't see a reason to sell Obar. I like, I know you've. We've both been kind of buying, you know, just to get a little bit of a taste, but. Are you holding, too? Yu-Gi-Oh I. I'm tr. I'm trying to. I. I fall into the same. Maybe not as aggressive as you, where, you know, you buy these cards of the guys you like, and ultimately all roads lead back to. Right. You know, if a. If a Becky lynch Superfractor pops up that you need, you'll. You'll move the oboe to make sure you secure that for your collection. And I tend to kind of keep my Roman and my cena card. So you. He might get sacrificed at some point if the right card pops up and I need the cash. But this is fun. Like, I feel like there's no downside right now, and you can get into his market at a variety of levels and getting some autos here and there out of Chrome and not necessarily pay thousands of dollars. So I think that's really good. And that's part of the reason I like wrestling cards so much. Because if you want to buy a Jackson Dart Auto out of Chrome, like, you're spending $1,000 plus on that, and that's not the same for someone like Obafemi, who might have more or who does have more global recognition than a Jackson Dart. Yu-Gi-Oh And I think that's always tough, right, because we. We try and equate apples to apples, and it may just not exist. But I think, like, when you look at, like, the top rookies in football and basketball, they're signing probably triple to quadruple the number of cards, if not more than a lot of the WWE guys. And yet WWE doesn't have the market to support a out of 50 auto and out of a 99 auto and out of 150 auto. Like those Topps of cards are never going to reach the levels that that would in football and basketball stuff because the market just doesn't have the manpower yet to to sort of support those prices. But when you get down into the Black out of 10, the Red out of 5 and the Zebra fractures and and the black prisms and the gold prisms, like those Topps of cards are absolutely. I think I've seen people reaching out to me like, hey, I have this. I've been offered $15,000 for it. Do I want to sell this? And I'm just like, even at that price, I'm still probably thinking twice because it's just he's got so much potential. But a year from now, two years from now, I don't know if that same potential is going to exist. I think the time to sell per the rookie hype cycle that we know is that after that second or third year, the new guy comes in and takes out like usurps the hype from the pre existing guy. And I think it really takes a generational performance to like what Sho Otani has done or to a degree what Wemby has done in a lot of ways. But I think it's going to take a lot for OBA to maintain the level of value beyond just that rookie stuff that will hold. I that's where I. I would say Royal Rumble WrestleMania time frame is playoff season. Time to move. All roads are leading to Roman Reigns versus Obafemi. Right? I don't think there's any question about it. And my only concern is injury. Just like with any player, it's like if he gets injured like Bron Breaker did, can really, really kill momentum. But I also want to talk about this match, the latter match that they're having for this interim title. I've never seen that type of match being done at any ple, let alone a SummerSlam. And Tiffany Stratton being from Minnesota, like, I don't know if she's even the favorite to one-of-one I want Chelsea Green, you and me both now, badly. I can't even put it into words, like I really hope she wins. But they still have one more person to add. I'm curious who that's going to be, but if you like it's. It's big names. There's some big names in that match. Charlotte Fleer Jade Cargill, I mean, you name it. Like I'm. That's probably on night two. I plan on being there. That's the match that I'm really excited to see because the women usually go all out when they're given these Topps of opportunities. I think it has to be tiffy or Chelsea, based on the tea leaves and the story that is being built. And I just want to believe that it's going to be Chelsea green. And they're friendly now, and Chelsea green is going to have the bigger title, and there's going to be. The chemistry is already there. You can see it backstage. It is fun. The dynamic is good. So I'm a fan of both of them, so I'll be happy either way. But it, to me, it feels like it's going to be either Chelsea or tiffy. And what I'm excited for from a wrestling card perspective or what I would like to see because we've seen tiffy with the title and we saw what her cards kind of were doing during that moment. It's like Chelsea green already has a really strong collector base. Everybody likes Chelsea Green. What would Chelsea green's cards look like with the championship title? I think that's what I want to see. I want to see that. And, you know, like, there hasn't been anybody, male or female, in the company who has gone so all in on their character than Chelsea Green. She has been one of the most entertaining parts of the programming for, it seems like, years now. So I'm pulling for Chelsea Green. I think she should. Yu-Gi-Oh me too. And I want to see what she does with it. Like, I feel like she can make, you know, chicken salad out of chicken better than anybody out there. And I. I want it, like, even with the. The abysmal booking that it's m. SM smackdown has been plagued with, like, I really want to see what she does with her screen time of this belt. Plus, when Ria comes back, she can squash her. And there really one-of-one be any harm to her, you know, booking, because she's always been a loser in the company anyways. So I think, like, you know, seeing her run with this belt is going to be awesome. It'll prop up her market, I think, like, more so than it already is because I think people know she's collectible because of her husband and his collecting. And she's also been this very popular wrestler who's had a long career of success. But, you know, I think in WWE, she's played this, like, different role, and she's. I really hope she gets the spotlight. That's something I'm really hoping for and with Liv now a hundred days without a title defense, she's literally held the belt since WrestleMania, not defending the title. So like, you know, they, they've moved the Intercontinental Championship a number of times, they've moved the US Title a number of times. Like, I feel like we need some stability. I think Liv walks out of SummerSlam the champion. I think they have Chelsea on the other side hopefully taking the reins or Tiffany Stratton. There's a lot of moving pieces coming out of here. I think if I'm at the National, I'm probably looking for some Chelsea Green cards just on the off chance that she wins or I'm trying to find some of these other people that you know are likely going to walk out of SummerSlam with a belt around their waist for the first time. Maybe even like Raquel Rodriguez who just one-of-one on Raw. Like she is a really cheap autograph and it seems like they might be willing to get behind her. I'm not a huge fan. I think the charisma as the modern day Diesel is maybe starting to show through, but it's taking her a very long time to get there. So, you know, those are the people that I'm probably looking at SummerSlam and being like, Yu-Gi-Oh that's the people I want to target. Really. What do you make of that title change? I think definitely cool to see someone one-of-one their first singles championship with a smashed up face with blood all over his nose. But, you know, I don't know, it just felt like the Soul Ruka thing, they just never really hit the ground running with that. Like, do you think there's lost confidence there? Do you think there's something bigger for this storyline? What'd you make of it? I think there's probably a lack of face. Competitors that can go up against Liv, they need somebody that can lose to live. And I think probably taking the belt off of her probably sets her in line for a title match with Liv down the road. I think that would be a fun match to watch. I think Raquel and Liv's dynamic is the two women's champions mirrors what they had with Sasha Banks and Bayley back in the day. And they saw the success they had there, so maybe they're planning something with that. Honestly, I don't think there's a lack of confidence in Sol Ruka. I was just worried that this was going to happen overall. And I was talking with Brian THC who collects her and I was like, are you thinking that, you know, this could be something that might hurt her rather than Help her. So I don't know, man. Like, it's. There's a lot of possibilities. I think we got to let that one cook a little bit. Yu-Gi-Oh I think so, too. Yu-Gi-Oh Oftentimes we want to jump to conclusions. You got to just be patient, which is hard to do sometimes. Very hard. Yu-Gi-Oh I want to take some time now, if we can, to sort of. And it's weird talking about the national as if it hasn't happened yet. And people listening to this are like, well, we're there. Like, you know, we've seen this all, and so we'll take some. Some time here. But you and I both got the chance to experience everything in New York last week. First of all, like, I don't know if we've each had our chance to sort of, like, really say from a wrestling perspective, like, what this meant. Do you want to sort of give your take first and then maybe we can sort of do this tale of two shows of, like, hey, how. How are these really sort of shaping up for wrestling collectors and. And what it's all about? Yu-Gi-Oh I think for a Fanatics Fest perspective, definitely it was stimulation overload. There was so much going on. I've never been to a show quite like that. There was something happening everywhere all the time. But I think it was very encouraging that cards were really a central focus of the event, from the displays to the activations to the dealer setups being integrated. And I think I remarked maybe when we were all on, just the fact that it seemed to me that most dealers had some sort of wrestling allocated in their showcase, which was encouraging. And I don't know, man, like, my primary takeaway when it comes to wrestling cards and Fanatics Fest was I left very, very. If you are someone who is invested in wrestling cards in this category, if it's your primary lane, you collect. If you really, really enjoy it, which I imagine you do because you're listening to this show, like, I would have a lot of confidence in where you're putting your money. The fact that they're putting WWE right next to NBA, NFL, mlb, like, is very, very encouraging. And it just doesn't seem like too long ago. And, Adam, I know you've been creating content in this space for a long time, but it just doesn't feel like it was that long ago where it felt like there was, like, 10 people that were engaging with wrestling cards online and now becomes so much more mainstream. And so when I was, like, out on the plane finally to get home and I was reflecting on the. I was Just like, you know, like, I feel very encouraged about where I am putting my money sometimes with wrestling cards. I wasn't sure about that. It was like, I'm gonna spend this money on these cards because I really love them and they're meaningful to me. And I. I'm a wrestling dj, and these are. This is just fun. But, like, from an investment perspective, like, the money I put in this card is going to hold and might go up. Like, I have never been more confident in collecting wrestling cards from a monetary perspective based on what I saw at Fanatics Fest, than I. Than I am right now. Yu-Gi-Oh for sure. And I think, like, stimulation overload is. Is really the. The right sort of descriptor there. I remember walking in and just being in Yu-Gi-Oh and, and just like, you get in those. Those lanes that they block it off because they have somebody walking through or whatever, and you're just Tribute with like 300 people behind you. You're just like, oh, my God, this doesn't feel great. But, like, the overall experience from the show was insanity. And like, I think no one puts this stuff together better than Fanatics does. I think they did. If they've done a great job with WWE World, they've done a great job with Fanatics Fest now for two years. Like, there's. There's just a lot going on here that I think really showed exactly what you just said is, like, they. There's a huge investment in all the licenses and brands that they own. I think overall, like, there's a ton of kids there. There are a ton of families there. Like, and I think that will continue. Like, people could say, well, it's just because of the World Cup Final. I don't know if I necessarily agree with that. There are a lot of wrestling shirts there. There are a lot of people there in cosplay for wrestling, seeing there for the wrestling autographs. I don't know if that's necessarily the way I would look at it. And I've seen a lot of other people saying, oh, it's just Influencer Heaven, or it's just this or that. I was like, you know, guys, I think you really have to look at this from the perspective of something that's different than anything we've had in this space before. And I don't think it's a bad thing that these, these conventions, like the national or Fanatics Fest are hugely attended because it just shows that. That everything that we put our blood, sweat and tears in with our collections and our time in this hobby is really sort of finally reaching a point where it's not, we're not uncool to say we're collectors anymore. Like, and that, that's really interesting to me. But you know, I think you're also walking around these things and you're just like, I could use a few hundred thousand less people in this so I can enjoy it a little bit more. Right? Yu-Gi-Oh I think one thing I wish they we saw there which it felt because there was such a presence. And one of the comments I made was that you know, if you look at across Fanatics fest and look at like if you charted like apparel and what stack ranked them without a shadow of a doubt like Jalen Brunson was number one. Number one. Right. Coming off the championship. Number two was like either debate between Jackson Dart or Rhea Ripley. Like I saw just so much Rhea Ripley stuff and I was like that's pretty cool. Like kids grown ups. Cody Rose too. It's good call. Lots of Cody Rhodes stuff. But one of the misses and hopefully we can, we've got podcasts we can share. You know I would have liked to because there was, there was a cost for us to go out and there was a cost for everyone to be there. It was not cheap. But I just think that they should have done something from an exclusive perspective. I think that would have been really fun and really cool to get our hands on that since we, anyone who was there made the time and the monetary investment to be there. That's. That's one of the things I would like to see in future years. Yu-Gi-Oh I don't think you're wrong. And I love exclusive like I, I love when they do like the rare sets and the rare like they did the GPK stuff which I thought was cool. The Phoenix I bought a few of those for the RIA collectors that, that reached out to me. But like I think the, the understanding that if you go to one of these things there should be something there that you get as a benefit of being in attendance. We'll talk about what they're doing at the national here in a minute. But like I think you're completely correct. I want to see this as much of a participation thing that they did for baseball do it for, for wrestling. Just because of all the fans there. Like you saw like there were just so many kids there with reassurance Cody shirts J who so like, you name it, like all the most popular kid people. A lot of those people come to these places wearing those gear. I mean it was really cool to see that like be In a place of like minded individuals. But you mentioned like the dealers themselves as well having, you know, being forced to have this wrestling at their tables. I think in exposing them to our hobby, I think you mentioned like really, really cool to, to see where that leads because hopefully it brings about more buying and selling and they get into it the way that we have. And that's exactly kind of the conversation we had. But I would also say, like, I don't know if I need to go back. Like, I, I think like, that's the other thing is like as much fun as I had and as awesome as it was, like, I. I don't think it's on my calendar for next year. I think it's hard to plan two sort of of these a year. And I don't think that that's a possibility. I would prioritize doing like another wrestling card takeover at next year's national versus sacrificing that and going to Fanatics Fest is just because the Persona I represent just. That doesn't make sense. Right? Yu-Gi-Oh I think that makes sense. It is tough. I can't believe we're doing both in such a short time, especially planning, planning the event. But so it goes. I wanted to ask you about the celebrity nature and I think from afar, when you're watching it online, so much of it feels maybe a little manufactured. Like, get over to this table, they got cards of yours, that sort of thing. But I think when you peel back the wrestling side of it and you look at someone like Dominic Mysterio who was there and had like legitimately had his own collection of his cards, like there was a lot of that. He was as about as authentic as any celebrity I've ever seen at Fanatics Fest in terms of like being a collector of his own cards and being able to communicate the sets and why certain cards matter. Like, I was watching. Hold on a second. Is it, is it weird that he collects his own cards? Like, like I've not been able to place that feeling yet. Like, if I were on cards, would I go buy my own cards? If my son was on cards, I would definitely do that. If my child or my brother or whatever, that's different. But clicking yourself is. Is that a little weird, do you think? This is what I'll say it might be, but I think the fact that you have someone as popular as him who is in the space who's like, Yu-Gi-Oh for sure is probably a good thing. I saw some TikTok of like him going through his collection with a group of. I Saw that too at the hotel or whatever. Yu-Gi-Oh And he was talking about his autograph and how he changed it after he, like, betrayed his dad because he didn't want Mysterio in his. In his autograph. And, like, those, Those nuggets, I thought were, like, Zebra cool. It's like, that's what we look for, for as collectors. But I liked the celebrity participation on the WWE side just because I thought Mysterio was a good person to kind of wave that flag. Yu-Gi-Oh I think, like, for people who are saying, oh, it's all stage, it's all like, what do you guys, what do you expect? Charlotte Fleer does not collect wrestling cards at the moment. But having her go up with that little girl and sort of do the things that she was doing was awesome to see. I liked what they've done in past years where they're bringing kids into it, so it's not like, hey, I need to buy for myself. But seeing Dominic, like, be an authentic collector is awesome. Like, that. That feels validation. Right? We get validation from that, and I really like that. But at the same time, like, I think that. That we're. We're getting further and further into this, like, athletes being collectors. I mean, there was a video from the Twins that was posted that they all rip cases in the clubhouse and the Minnesota Twins. And then there's all the stuff we've seen with Mike Trout and all these other, you know, athletes, but even, like, Jason Sudeikis, who I, We. We saw walking around. And I, I was really close to talking to him because I, I'm very nervous. I'm a huge Ted Lasso fan, as most people are. But, like, he seemed very authentic, and he had a very big collection with his son Otis and all this other stuff. And I think, like, all of that is cool. Like, it doesn't impact you personally that these people are running around like cat, going around buying things up at high prices. That may have some impact. But Charlotte Fleer going to a table and buying her mini me a card, like, that doesn't really impact people. And it's just fun. Like, I, I look at it as marketing and advertising, and I think collectors as a whole have told people, like, I don't want to be marketed to yet. All of these things are insanely successful because of the marketing success that Fanatics has done. So I think, like, you can't have it both ways. And I think it's also, like, what difference does it make? Like, I, I think it's cool that Dominic collects cards. It's like, I Said, is it weird that he collects his own cards? A little. I think he buys other stuff too. I've seen him buy other stuff too. So I mean like, that's all really interesting sort of nuggets, as you've said. And you know, we can, we can always want to be this deep dark corner of the pop culture universe and we're not anymore. And I think that that breeds a lot of new experiences for collectors that we haven't had in the past. We haven't had to go through a discussion of whether Kevin o' Leary coming in and wearing a card on a chain at the Oscars is a good thing or a bad thing. That's never a discussion that's needed to be had before. So a lot of these feelings are brand spanking new. Some people will process them differently. And for me, I just don't see a huge impact for my own collecting experience. But I also see it as like, hey, it's, it's an, it's fun to patch auto cool. It's like a minute, two minute clip. Like, what difference does it make? Like, have fun with it. Why be upset? Yu-Gi-Oh I think that is all very, very good points by you. I'm just, I'm encouraged about the investment that Fanatics is putting. Obviously they're making money off of wrestling cards, but it's, I think it's, it goes far beyond what I was expecting, which is, is. And you need, you need that and hell, we're, you know, it will be done. But we are throwing an event for people which I think we need in spaces like these niche spaces like wrestling cards. But then you have manufacturer putting wrestling front and center on big stage. That helps too. So I just, I feel very confident about where we're at right now. And you don't have to like every release. No, of course I don't. I don't. But I think for every miss here and there, there you're going to get hits. And I just feel like we're in a really good spot right now. So let me ask you this last question on Fanatics Fest. We're now, we're, we're doing content at this most stale point of like the, the whole hype cycle here. Has your viewpoint changed over the last couple of weeks since we've departed? Like, is it something that, that you feel like your understanding and processing of the event has changed now that it's, it's been a little bit of time since you gotten Beckett, I feel like I'm still trying to process. And it's really challenging for me to process everything with everything else that's going on. It's been rapid fire. Yu-Gi-Oh But I think I, you know, my talking point has been mostly if you aren't happy with events like Fanatics Fest and you want to stand behind your phone and talk about it and you're not there, like, your opinion really doesn't mean anything to me. So, like, go out and experience it because likely there are going to be things in this monstrosity of event that are going to be for you. And that's, that's kind of how I, I felt after that. It's like, do I need to go back next year? I don't know if I need to. If there's like a good reason to get stacking slabs involved with something wrestling related, sure. I'll be there in a second. But I think for me, it's like, I feel very, very happy that I encouraged it. And like, most importantly, I've said this several times, but just, I feel very good about the way things are right now with the State of Wrestling cards. And I'm not sure I would have that same exuberance or confidence. I'd be happy about way. The way it's going. But I, I have more confidence than ever before because I was at the event and I saw how the big dog was handling that ip. Yu-Gi-Oh And I think we'll come back next week and have probably a similar discussion around the National. But I mean, comparing the two shows, like, I saw Darren Rovelle. I mentioned this on our, our last podcast. I saw Darren Rovelle put out that awful tweet about like, this is the national killer and blah, blah, blah. I'm just like, like, how can you have such a disassociated take, having been to both events? Like, I, I've. He was there for both. And like, still having that take is so disconnected and weird. And I think it's just like, I've heard it on multiple podcasts, so I don't need to spend a ton of time on. This is like, it just serves different purposes, serves different target audiences, different outcomes. And I've said that on Main Event a number of times. I know you've said it on different shows that you've had covering it since then because you have the luxury of, of more shows to cover this on. But I think like, when we get out of the national, coming the day after that, this airs, like, I think we're going to be like, in this space of like, okay, now Like, I'm sort of longing for that news to come every single day because it really has for the last couple of weeks. It's always something new. WrestleMania patch, new set, new this, new that. We've got a pre order for Topps Universe coming. Like, all of this stuff just keeps going and going and going because this is the major sort of hub of Sports Card everything for a year. And then once we get into the fall and the winter, like, things tend to slow down a little bit before we hit Royal Rumble season. So I think that people have sort of gotten used to this sort of like a buzz that's been around the industry. And now comparing these two shows is a natural sort of like, oh, we have to rank everything, like sports cards, sports, wrestling, everything has to be ranked. We have to do Mount Rushmore's, we have to do this. I don't necessarily believe that that's really sort of the right approach here. And I think both of these conventions have different reasons to exist. And I think we're going to prove that this weekend with Wrestling Card Takeover being just an enormous event for wrestling collectors. But we're not the only community doing stuff like that. Star Wars, F1, you name it, soccer. There's a ton of communities doing very similar things to what we're doing. And I just don't think there's as much of a vehicle at Fanatics Fest to offer that, because you don't have the breadth of collector base that comes to those events versus a national. Right? Yu-Gi-Oh I had a conversation with my friend James at Mad City Collector, who's a. He's a creator, he's got a soccer card podcast, He's a massive soccer card collector. And I was talking with him at the national and we were catching up and he was like, Yu-Gi-Oh I'm going over to this event. I was like, what's that? He's like, oh, it's this big soccer card event. And he was like, going through, like, everything in the dedication and the focus. And I, I remember when he left, I was like, I wish something like that existed for a area that I collect in, I. E. Wrestling cards. So it's a reality. Like, we're. We're making it happen, so we'll see how it goes. But I don't know, man. Like, I'm a startup guy, you know, you've worked on teams that are kind of nimble building in the software space. It feels like this is our V1 and we're going to learn a lot from this experience, but you'll never really know, unless you've done and you've had experience doing these Topps of events in the past, maybe not at this scale, but I'm very encouraged that we, as a group of guys with some awesome sponsors who love wrestling cards, get to offer this to the community at the biggest show of the year. So it's going to be awesome. I want to take just a brief because Topps announced today that they are putting out and I'm sorry, if you had FOMO coming into this week, it likely just got exponentially worse today because of what they're previewing on social media. So they're going to be doing. So Tops has and by the time we're talking about this, you will probably have already seen the cards. You've got cards in hand and stuff like that. It's rare that one of these events starts on like a Wednesday and a Thursday where we can't, where we're not like on a weekend as it's happening. So it feels, this feels a little weird talking about it in the future tense, even though people listening to it will be listening to it in past. But these cards are interesting because for a long time, 2018, 2019, Topps was offering rapper redemption packs at the National. They never had anything besides baseball in them as far as I can remember. There may have been a couple of years with, with Star wars, but Panini had the licenses for basketball and football and everything. So there really wasn't a need to do anything. But baseball, wrestling didn't have the level of dedicated collector that was going to come and buy these packs. Now we do. So they're doing packs for every one of the licenses that they own, including 50 wrestlers with 45ish autographs. All the big names, Obafemi included, Rhea, Ripley, like, you name it. There's a Becky lynch autograph I'm chasing, so if you get one, hit me up, I'll be there to pick it up from you. But like the, the cards look cool. Like they're Topps Chrome branded cards with the national logo. Like, I love seeing that. There's like you said investment here and people can talk about, oh, I don't like what Fanatics is doing. I don't like what Fanatics is doing. Panini has done this in the past. Like, why is this new? Because I think it's like Panini maybe had like three or four wrestlers on a checklist. They maybe had like 10 to 15 autographs across the board. And some of the VIP packs, they never had a 50 card set. They never had 45 different autograph subjects that they've brought to this party. I think this is huge. Penny is doing packs as well and there are wrestlers on that checklist. I think I saw Hulk Hogan and a few others. So it's not like Panini is being left out, even though they don't have wrestling anymore. But this is the biggest manufacturer offering we've ever seen at the national and it's not even close. Yu-Gi-Oh I think just putting wrestling cards alongside all of the other licenses in a pack at an event is massive. Like accessibility, accessibility, accessibility. Like imagine a kid opening up a pack in first cards. Bobby Witt Jr. The next card is Penta. And he's like, who is Penta? Look at this guy. He looks insane. And they read the back of the card. Then that might get someone to do a search look on ebay, tune into the product. And I think to me that obviously collectors of you want the Becky one of one. I can only imagine like collectors are going to want these cards, but I think accessibility to non wrestling collectors just putting those cards front and center is massive. So we mentioned Wrestling Card Takeover before and I just want to take some time to talk about some true feelings about the event because as we said, when you're listening to this, it's probably been happened already, but we've, we've talked about our sponsors, we've talked about the planning, but we really haven't really gone into sort of what the goals have been or anything like that. And I said on the last podcast that we wanted to plan to flag with. With Wrestling Card Takeover. And I think that that remains the main goal here is show that our community is capable of this. But like you're kind of like the whole book to last involvement in this is. Is relatively new. It wasn't a thing last time we've even approached trying to do something like this. Like what, what are you hoping to accomplish at least with Wrestling Card Takeover this Friday? Like, what do you think is your takeaway from seeing this l in motion? And what do you hope to come out the other end with? Yu-Gi-Oh so one of the things I talk a lot about just in my content is the shrinking of the sea of this hobby. It is massive. There are many different pieces to it. There's eras, there's different sports, there's different Topps of collectors, there's different motivations around participation in this space. And I just think anything that we can do to create focus around specific Beckett I. E. Wrestling cards and bring together those individuals under one roof to meet, to build relationships to connect, to collaborate. Like, this is. To me, this is not just a we're gonna have fun and we're gonna forget about it. Like, my hope is that some really strong relationships are created peer to peer, peers to brands, brands to peer. And, like, there's really no hook. Like, there's. We're not charging anyone anything. Like, we just want people to be there to be excited, to share in their passion. So I think just the ability to create a space for wrestling card collectors is awesome. Like, I remember my first national when I went in there. I was like, where are the wrestling cards? I was searching everywhere, and I found, like, three showcases right there was like, some 82 all stars. And then I found, like, someone had a box of, like, fully loaded. I think the first fully loaded had just come out. And I was just like, this is it. Like, and it was literally, that was it. All I did was run around. There just wasn't a presence. And so now there's a presence and there's a big presence where there's an event involved. So, you know, my hope is that, you know, we spend all this time on screens, communicating on phones, and there's narratives, there's kind of back and forth. Everyone's very opinionated. It's like, my hope is that everyone can meet those people that they interact with online and just break bread. Like, hang out, talk cards, talk wrestling, do all the things. Wrestling brings people together in person. Like, there might be disputes online. Everyone has their own opinion. Everyone gets very fired up. But when you're, like, sitting in real life with someone who likes wrestling and who likes wrestling cards, there's really nothing to complain about. There's a connection there. So my hope is that we can build some really good, strong connections for collectors in the community. Yu-Gi-Oh I think, like, the national and I remember going back as far as, like, my old website with sports cards and censor and everything. Like, when I used to do my national writeup, I never talked about the. The stuff I bought as much as I talked about the people I met. And I think, like, that for me, it's always been an event to support the collecting experience through people, not through the cards. And I think in recent years, that's probably changed because of the amount of money that's flowing through that room. And it's always been a big dollar event. Like, there's always been million dollar cards on the Fleer to going back to 2015 and before even, like, that Honus Wagner that they're showing at the cards at the show this week that's been there before. Like a lot of these things have been there before. And I think what changes is the people and I think the people make these shows interesting. I think Fanatics Fest as a whole was probably more interesting to me because there's this whole new crop of people. There were a lot of wrestling people in that room. I don't know how many were wrestling collectors, but there were more wrestling cards at that in those showcases at Fanatics Fest that will be at the showcases in the national. The difference is the people, the audience, the target markets are different. Do you have a much more concentrated collector base coming to this? Which is why doing an event like Wrestling Card Takeover works at the national where it may not work as much at Fanatics Fest. And I think like when you look at what we're trying to bring here, I've gotten people coming in from like Germany that are going to come into the national and go to this event. There's people from all over the United States. I've gotten DMS from people I never expected to get DMS from and saying like, hey, can I come to the event? How do we come to the like, be it signed up this type of stuff. And that's not a measure of like, oh, we're doing this and we're awesome because we've accomplished this. It's like, Yu-Gi-Oh this is getting out there. There's a lot more of these wrestling collectors that exist than I think anybody ever thought. And the hobby has grown to a point now where we can support a larger event like this, which is so awesome to see. And again, I've mentioned the word validation before, but that's really what it is. You mentioned bringing these like minded people together. That is so cool, like being able to. And like you and I had lunch in New York and we talked forever just about random shit. Like I love doing that. I can't do that at home with my wife because she doesn't care about this stuff. Like doing that with somebody who cares about it. Every week with Ryan Bannister and you and everybody else, that's great for an hour, but this is going to be like a full night of just talking with people, having a great time, celebrating the podcast, celebrating the community, everything. It's completely free. We're gonna be there from six to midnight, like stop by even if it's just for 15 minutes and say hi, we'd love to say hi to you, get to know people. I was listening to Paige this morning on his national podcast and he's like, listen, there's no conversation I'm having that's more important. That's going to be important enough for you not to interrupt me and do this. And I was like, I even sent him a message, like, saying, hey, we should hook up. Because he's been a sort of a wrestling card hater for years, and I want to mend that bridge. But. And he was open to it. I mean, like, these Topps of events, men, fences. It brings people together in ways that we can't explain. And we're giving everybody a reason to come beyond just, hey, there's going to be giveaways. There's food, there's drinks, all that other stuff. We want you to come and be a part of the community and celebrate with us. So I'm really excited. I hope by the time you listen to it, it was successful. Yu-Gi-Oh I just want to shout out anybody who's listening to this Saturday, first thing after Wrestling Card Takeover. And you went to Wrestling Card Taker Takeover. You are the real one. That's what I want to say. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh for sure. There were a couple of huge sales, which I did not expect coming into national week. I'm going to go through these very fast because I, I think we, we. We've sort of run the gamut of like, okay, this is national week. Like, we're going to talk about the national. We'll talk about this. But I. Seeing a Gunther WrestleMania patch autograph sell on ebay to a big Gunther collector for $18,211 via auction was just not in my bingo card or whatever people say. It was great to see. I think these WrestleMania patch autographs continue to be hot collectibles. They continue to show that they are the one card that Topps is going to make. That it will. That will stand the test of time. And this one was inscribed Ring General. So it's one of the only inscribed ones that I've seen. AJ Styles was pulled over this week as well. So, like, we've. We've gotten a lot of WrestleMania patch autograph news coming in. Still no Cena. We've seen Ria. Still no punk. Like, all those things are still sort of floating around. But 18 grand for Gunther, I think good price, first of all, but secondly, like, happy that we're still seeing this as news, sort of even a couple of months after Royalty's been on the market. I had this one on my watch list, as I'm sure everyone listening did, and terrible listing name, by the way. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh terrible. There were a couple moments when it was hovering lower For a minute where I was like, I know they're Gunther fans out there or collectors, but like, I was like, considering. I was like, I might throw a bit out on this one because this card is so cool. Like, I just love the inscription. But Yu-Gi-Oh Gunther's, he's one of my favorites to watch weekend and week out. So big sell. You gotta love it. Yu-Gi-Oh I was like the. So the. Just for people that weren't abreast of the situation here, it was listed buy it now. 30 grand with a $10,000 starting bid, I believe. Yu-Gi-Oh And it had a reserve on it. So like you literally could not have. And the, the. The title of the auction was top WWE royalty Gunther WrestleMania. No. 1 of them didn't say autograph, didn't say 1 of 1 didn't say any year that it was a part of. Like it was completely just buried. And yet people still found it. It got reported on. I'm glad it sold for where it did and who, who bought it. I'll let them reveal it on Instagram when they get it. But like, hopefully they do get it. But I think like this is one of those situations where even in the worst of circumstances in auction with a reserve, you don't do that on ebay. It still sold for a really high price. I thought that was good. That was cool. This is why we send our cards to consignment. That's exactly right. Because consignors would have told you you're an idiot for doing it this way. We also had on the Fanatics Premiere, we had the John Cena liquid gold from royalty sell for $14,100. Humongous price on this card. I think the photo on it is awful. I think, which is really unfortunate because it's an amazing looking card. If it weren't for that photo, he has the title belt on backwards because it was during his heel run. And I like this whole thing just did not sit well with me. But the auction itself sold for almost the price of a WrestleMania patch, which is really cool. But you know, another five figure sale I think we've had now 10 or 11 in the last couple of months, which is nuts. But Yu-Gi-Oh I just wanted to call this one out because Fanatics Premiere, this isn't a Fanatics weekly. A wrestling card made it into the premier auction this time. Have you seen these in hand yet? Like, anyone? What, what are your thoughts? They're amazing. They look. Yu-Gi-Oh they look cool. They look cool. I was sniffing at this one, but like the photo killed me, man. I love the title. I. I love a good John Cena heel backwards title. Like I'm not sure how many more we're gonna get, but I mean it's not worse than the last year Finest. His photo. Oh, that one was bad too. Alltime stinker. But this one. Yu-Gi-Oh the photo just didn't do much for me. Yu-Gi-Oh I think like these cards, I want the Roman Reigns even though that photo still is not the one I would have chose. But I want the Roman Reigns and the Rear Rip. I think both of those liquid silver cards are so incredible. I saw a bunch of them at Fanatics Fest. They're great looking cards. They're some of the best case hits that tops makes and they're the most inaccessible as well, unfortunately. So I know you were sniffing around this card as well. I thought it was. Yu-Gi-Oh Okay. You want to. Do you want to. Yu-Gi-Oh So it pops up. You first know what it is because people. So okay. This is the 2025 WWE Topps royalty superior relic signatures Roman Reigns platinum one of one. So I think you sent it in my maybe busiest time which is usually when I'm with my children right when I pick them up. It was like during that and I think when I landed back at home I like was like and when you sent a screenshot and so I went and looked it up and it was gone. And I was like, no, is it gone? Is it gone if you were like it's gone. And I was like. And then when I saw that it sold for I was like, that's kind of. It was like one of those moments where I was like that's exactly kind of where I put valued it at and maybe where I would have made the offer at. So unfortunately was unable to get this one but I did pick up out of 10 that just landed. I put a little story pick on my. On my Instagram last night. But Yu-Gi-Oh I just, dude, I am a big, big believer of the event use relics, the on card autographs. Like the premium product of a guy like Roman Reigns. Just because it's like man, there's not that many right now and it's like this will always be the first royalty set. So that stuff to me matters as I'm analyzing spending big money. And Yu-Gi-Oh this card absolutely kicks ass, man. I love it. Yu-Gi-Oh so it has like this tribal pattern on the relic. It's very similar to the the shirt that was used for the. I think it's the same shirt that was used for his universe relics. They know Jameson got the original one of one foil fracture from Universe for his Roman Reigns collection. Exquisite sports collectibles on Instagram. I think this card is better than any Roman Reigns that from that perspective it's hard for me to say this is better than the Immaculate because the Immaculate one has the best photo of it of any. I mean it's just. It's so good and that. And that design is awesome. I think that as a whole that card looks better than this one's. Probably four to five times as valuable. But seeing this one sell for $10,000 humongous price and I thought it would probably even go a little bit higher. But know whoever got this got it at an offer that made sense for them and I think the seller just wanted to move it so. But it's. It's such a great looking card. I don't think people appreciate royalty yet. They will. Exactly. They will. It's all about the p. It's all about the WrestleMania patches right now. But it's. This is what I am sniffing around it is this stuff right now. I got my out of ten for under a thousand bucks. Under a th000 bucks. So I was like to me that felt like a one-of-one But Yu-Gi-Oh I don't think the non wrestlemania patch stuff is being appreciated quite where it will be in the future is my thought process. So I think Flawless being numbered only out of 25 and below creates this artificial scarcity that ramped up the chase more quickly than any other set. These have ones that are out of 99 out of 50 out of 25 out of out of 10 and. And then the 101s because they don't have out of fives. So I think it will take more time for people to appreciate this. But it's already drying up. It's already starting to dry up. And once people recognize that Topps isn't going to do event warren for every set forever in perpetuity, I think these cards will become more appreciated. I think someone got it will eventually have gotten a steal on this and I. I can't say enough good things about this card. It looks absolutely amazing. I think you're out of 10 looks amazing too. I think both of those are. Dude, when I got. When I got it in the mail and I was like what do these look like in person, dude? I was just. I was like just staring. Staring. You know when you get a card and you're like good lord. The detail. The autograph is nice. The patch is nice. But that I. After getting that I was just. I was a believer in this set more than than I was before. Yu-Gi-Oh I think Dynasty is going to ramp it up even further. But if you've seen the acetate cards, like that's the other thing I was trying to find the Roman Reigns acetate autograph that matches the Becky lynch one that I have. And these cards are already spiking. They're already, a lot of them are already over six $700 a piece out of 25. There's no parallels so it's just like it's 25 and I think there might be one of ones if they ever got around to making that. But like those cards are underappreciated too. Like come two years from now those initial acetate cards only having 25 of them. Humongous lift I think is going to be happening. Last one we'll cover because this took me like I I, I sent this to you guys in the group chat and I was just like what the hell just happened? A a 2024 Flawless Obafemi on card autograph relic PSA 10. The Ruby version of it sold not for 1500 dollars. It sold via best offer fixed price $7500. I know who bought this and I, I'm re I really want to out them because they're not part of our community. And like I think Josh Luber is going around and buying a lot of these Obafemi cards. He's been at sniffing around some people that I have messaged me and I would be very shocked if it wasn't him that bought this card. But $7,500 for a Flawless patch autograph. It's a PSA 10 so the pop report is going to be one if any beyond that is shocking to me. I was floored by this price. Yu-Gi-Oh I think probably Bannister is feeling pretty good that no one the last last national. But Yu-Gi-Oh I think you know you've got the material, you've got the on card autograph. But again like we've talked it's been a theme of this comment. Like the photo is amazing. Like Yu-Gi-Oh it's great. I love the photo's amazing with the title in his mouth. So I just think photography, you gotta have good photography to fetch these Topps of sales. Yu-Gi-Oh for sure. As we close this out and we've we've now reached the the end of of our planning cycle for, for the national you've got a ton of stuff in the works. I know you've been mentioning on your podcast you're going to be camped out at the card Ladder booth, recording some content. I can't wait to meet the card ladder folks. I have. I was going to do it in New York at Fanatics Fest, but just wasn't able to connect with Chris and Christina and everybody. So I'm excited to stop by there when I get in. I've got a bunch of deals there. I'll talk about next week, what's happening and beyond that, because I think it'll be live on YouTube by then. But I, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on this week for me. I'm, I've walked into the Nationals before and be. Been like, just overwhelmed. I think this year is going to be a whole different beast. I'm just. What are your final thoughts? Sort of to close this out because we're both sort of like, like electric at the moment. Like, I feel like this is a rock entrance that's waiting like that moment right before if the smell hits, like, that's what, that's what this feels like for me. I'm going all in. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm pushing it. I'm going all in. I'm ready to go. I am preparing for my gas tank to be on E when I'm driving home to Indy on Sunday. But I mean, what more could you ask for? You got collectors, you got friends, you got events, content, everything. So last year I felt so motivated. It really closed my kind of Q3 and Q4 out really strong after the national. And I'm expecting the same, if not more so these Topps of events in person, connecting with like minded individuals is what it's all about. Like we spend 99 of our times on screens and so, I mean, Adam, when we were in New York, man, it was, we, we've spent time together, but we've never spent that much time together. And it was awesome. Kind of connecting and going to Saturday night's main event. And for everyone who talks about that event, who wasn't there, like in person, that was like one of my favorite WWE events. I've. It was so cool. I was, I was not planning on going. I don't think either of us were. No, no. That's what canceled fights do. So. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm just motivated. I'm excited. I'm, I'm hopeful I get to meet so many of the listeners of this podcast. Like, you and Ryan have built an awesome community around this show. So saddle up, partner. Man, it's gonna be fun. Yu-Gi-Oh I think, I think that we'll, we'll have to do like Ryan's going to Hate me because we're going to have to do, like, an hour and a half, you know, podcast again. We've. We've kept this to an hour for the last few weeks. I think we'll. We'll end right around there this week as well. I think we're right at the end here. But, you know, I feel like there's. And I said this, I think on the last podcast is like, there's going to be like, this gap that exists now where we had this, like, build and build and build and build, and we're finally here and now afterwards, like, how do you deal with that now being over? And that, that hangover sort of experience is like walking out of WrestleMania and you're stuck in the tunnel for an hour trying to get to your car. That's what next week is going to feel like, because I think we're going to be like, we're going to be so buzzed and everything like that. And I get to go home and go to SummerSlam, which is even cooler. I never really expected to be able to do that. And, like, I'm taking my son. We're going to go and have a good time. I want to go to the SummerSlam store, but I don't know if I'm going to be able to make it there. Like, there's this whole sort of, like, circular event in Minneapolis around SummerSlam that I have to miss now. And so that's unfortunate, but I get to miss it for, like, the best possible reason in the world, so. And hopefully they'll offer a bunch of the stuff on the website like they usually do anyways. But it'll be good to go to the event. It'll be good to see everybody. Can't wait to meet up with everybody who's been listening. Like, please, as. As we've said, come say hi, text us, message us on Instagram, say, hey, I'm at the show. Where you at? Probably be hanging around RBI Crew and THZ in that area, Sports Car Junction, all with a ton of wrestling cars, that's probably the majority of the time I'm going to be spending there. I'm not going to get in until, like, Thursday afternoon. So because I have to drive from Minneapolis and I had to work for most of the week, so I one-of-one be able to be there, like, for Wednesday kickoff. But it'll be pretty shortly after I'll be on site and then I'll have to leave probably pretty early on Saturday morning to get home for. For some stuff. But I think I'M hoping to make the most of this man as quickly as possible. It's going to be rapid fire as usual. Saddle up. It's going to be a blast. See Yu-Gi-Oh in Rosemont, Adam. Thanks everyone for tuning in and checking out Book to last. Been a great week. See you next week, guys. Hopefully it'll be as successful as we've planned here. Fun episode. Excited. We got that one in the can before we left for the National. As you're listening to this, we're probably still in bed exhausted from the night before. We appreciate all of our sponsors, everyone who came out showed out at wrestling card Takeover. We will be back. Ryan will be back next week. Happy collecting, take care and talk to you soon.