Can we trust SGC at their word?! And are comps DEAD?!

In a giant hobby in a giant country. There's a collector Mike of Junk Wax Hero and a collector Greg of midlife cards on opposite coasts. And here they combine to talk about those cards. Hey, buddy. How's it going? The magic Mike touch worked. We were having some technical difficulties, and then you took over and everything went so much better. It's like when you take your car to the shop and you say, it's been making this noise. It's been terrible. And they say, well, let's see if we can recreate it. And you can't, and it never happens again. Yu-Gi-Oh the shop did nothing. I did nothing. But I don't know. I think you did something, buddy. I think you did. You got your Celtic shirt on, your red socks are on fire. I mean, just, everything is just going so well for you and your life right now. It's incredible. Well, our lawn is getting a little brown. Craig, I haven't you and I talked about my lawn a couple months ago. I had just mowed it for the first time. It was at the very beginning of June, and I mowed it again at the beginning of July, and I haven't mowed it since. And here we are on August, the night of August 10th. This is rare in Maine. We, It's a, it's a moist state and there's, we usually have to mow our lawn a fair amount of. And this year it's been very dry. Our lawns are a little brown and I'm not loving it. My. I do have a tip for you. You should water the lawn more and it one-of-one be as brown. I don't know anybody that ever waters their lawn in Maine. Are you serious? I water my line three my lawn three days a week. If I don't, it's dead. It doesn't, it's just not a thing here. It's never needed. And water is expensive, too. I don't know if anybody ever told you this, but water is very expensive. Oh, I, I, I've seen the bills. They aren't cheap. It's not cheap. So, no, never needed to water a lawn. Don't know anybody who has. Well, we have so many things to talk about today. I have, like, four topics written down. You had some things you want to talk about. I mean, I'm ready to get after it. You said you had some tough questions for me, Mike. Well, first of all, I want to say two things. Your video today. I've watched the first 31 out of like, 47 minutes. I think it's Amazing. Oh, I know I throw a lot of compliments at you, Greg, because I have a ton of respect for what you do and how you do it. It's, it's fantastic video. And I love by the way, in the thumbnail, you're all dressed up with a suit on, but you also have a hoodie underneath. Because I know I was thinking I should probably change that, but I was like, no, I actually like that because it's so. It's sort of like on brand. It is. I just took a photo of me in a hoodie and I said, make a picture of me giving the State of the Union address. And that's what he came up with. And I laughed and I said, I'm keeping it. I love it. Yu-Gi-Oh So on Saturday, you and David Chase posted another Absolute banger of a podcast. And I actually was receiving text messages from people I don't hear from all that often saying, Yu-Gi-Oh this podcast is so good. And I said, I'll make sure to tell David Chase how great he's done. And I had already listened to it because I listened, it came out at, I don't know, 9am here in Eastern east on the east coast. And I went out and I ran errands at 10:30 or 11 and I listened to it, you know, going from Aaron to Aaron, and it's, it is extremely good. There's a lot of great stuff in there. First of all, I love that instead of just pausing the recording. I know I texted you this, but for people who don't know on, on streamyard, you can pause a recording. Like I could pause this right now and nobody would know what happens while it's paused. But Greg has something happen in his background and he goes and he does something and David Chase has left to fend for himself. And David's just like, play by playing what Greg's doing and commenting on Greg's house in the background. I love things like that. Just the kind of off topic things. Well, something that you often make fun of me for and I have no problem with you doing so is my lack of, of tech awareness. I had no idea that you could pause a show. Like, I'm not sure if you're, you're messing with me or not, if you're serious, but you can pause a video. I didn't know that. We've had this conversation probably four times on this very podcast. That's amazing on, on clearing the bases. I do it every week, at least once. There's always something where I'm like, oh, hang On. Let me pause. I'll be right back. Oh, my gosh. I'm gonna have to look into that. It's just a pause button up near the end recording, so you want to be careful. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh That's incredible. I mean. Okay. Yu-Gi-Oh No, I very much liked showing part of My House and David Chase with the play by play. It was fantastic. So what were the. What are the tough questions for you? You didn't see it? Really should patch auto But it's basically. Long story short, it's an episode about multiple conversations I had with some of the leadership at sgc, Some of the things that they said to me and me just simply sharing it and David Chase asking me questions about the things that were discussed in those conversations. And there's a lot of concern about sgc. You know, our good friend Jeremy Lee on his, you know, Hangover episode last week was talking about how he didn't like SGC slabs and you could just pop them open with a butter knife. I mean, so it was funny that. It was really funny that, like, on Wednesday, Tuesday or Wednesday or whatever, the. The Jeremy Lee's Hangover episode comes out where he's kind of digging at SGC a little bit. And then on Saturday, I'm kind of saying, I think I. I have a lot of good feelings about SGC right now, so let me have it. Give me questions. Yu-Gi-Oh I called Jeremy Thursday afternoon to tell him how great his episode of the Hangover was. Both these are right here on this network, which is amazing. And Jeremy was a little concerned because he had just watched my national recap video where I said, I love. I don't love sgc, but I'm happy to buy SGC slabs for iconic cards. And you said. I was taking notes in my phone. You said you were afraid to buy big SGC slabs prior to your conversation at the National. Walk me through your thinking about why you would be afraid to buy big SGC slabs before this conversation. Yu-Gi-Oh that's a great question. I'm an analogy person, so. Because I feel like people can relate to analogies. If there was a neighborhood that you thought was a good neighborhood, but you kind of felt like the general perception of the people in the greater area didn't think it was a good neighborhood, you might be less excited to potentially buy a house in that neighborhood, even though you're okay with it because of the perception of others and what that could potentially mean for the long term property values of that house. And so for me, I think SGC does a good job. I Like the way my, my vintage cards, especially pre war cards, look in vintage slabs. But if there are enough people out there who have concerns about cards in SGC slabs, then it could potentially hurt the long term value. And while value doesn't drive everything I do, it is something that is a piece of the equation, is a piece of the pie on what decisions I make and when I'm spending a lot of money. Like my Ty Cobb card that I bought at the national was $5,300. For me, that's an outrageous amount of money. It's outrageous. But if I buy that card in SGC slab and a lot of people are not, not in with sgc, that makes it a little bit riskier. So I look at it as I'd rather buy the house in the neighborhood that everyone, not everyone, the majority of people think is a good neighborhood. Even if I'm okay with the less expensive neighborhood. I don't love that analogy and here's why. If you buy a house in a neighborhood and that neighborhood goes down, you can't move your house out of that neighborhood into a better neighborhood for $30. And you can do that from SGC to PSA normal times. Of course, right now we're not in normal times. It's going to cost you $80, but you still can't move your house for the low, low cost to move from SGC to PSA or from SGC to cgc. And so if you, at some point down the road you do need to sell or decide to sell, sure there'll be a little delay while you get it graded, but you can move it into a, the more reliable grader. Who knows who that's going to be in 20 or 30 years when we're elderly and wearing diapers again, I don't know. Well, here's my counter to that. I have seen enough videos from friends of mine who have had cards in different slabs cross them or try to cross them to other slabs, sometimes in the slab, sometimes cracking them out and then sending them in and then the card comes back as minimum size, not met and or you know, suspected of altering to the point where I think that we all have cards in our collection that likely have had something happen. But I wouldn't crack cards in, I wouldn't crack high value cards in my collection out and send them into the same company. Company because some of the technologies that they're using to determine some of those things have changed. And therefore I think it's possible that even cards that before they didn't say Were minimum size, they might say are minimum size now. So to me that's a risk. And as a risk averse person, I don't see it as easy as a thirty dollar switch. I see it as a $30 thing putting it in the mail twice. And there's a, there's a chance that the card comes back, then they one-of-one slab it. So I think that there's more risk than that. Love that answer. That is a winning answer right there. Very, very well stated. You also said, I believe you were quoting Jesse Steinberg. Jesse Steinberg, for anybody who isn't aware, is Pete Steinberg's brother and he's now the head, the, the general manager for sgc. Weird wild turn of events. But you quoted, I believe it was him as saying, I guarantee SGC will be around in the future 100%. And Greg's wheeling over to get his quote, his notebook. So, so I felt like this quote was so important that I literally grabbed a pen out of Jet in front of Jesse on the desk. And the only thing I had on me that I felt like I could write on was the box I had been carrying the cards in. And this is what I fetched in the other room when David Chase was doing the play by play. So I literally, after he said that, I literally took out the ballpoint pen and I literally wrote exactly the quote that he said because I didn't want to mess it up. And it was, and it might be verbatim what you just said, but the quote that I wrote down at the desk as I was talking to him was I absolutely guarantee we will be around in the future 100%. And I, even after I wrote it, because he's looking at me like, what's he doing writing on a box? I said, is it okay if I share that exact quote? And this is the quote that I just wrote down that I heard you say. And he said, absolutely. All he said was that they, he guarantees they'll be around in the future. And the future means a year from now they could be closed. And you say, hey, you told me to be around in the future. And he could say I was, we were open for another year. That was the future. Right in the. Yes. And, and that's, that's a really good, that's a really good catch. That's a really good catch of what you're saying. But in the context of the conversation and what we were talking about at that time, I was talking about, I, I just before that I had said something along the lines of there are people in the community that have concerns. Will I be able to send a card into SGC if I have it in an SGC slabbed and it gets cracked or scratched in five years, in 10 years, will they still be around where I want to just get my card re slabbed 10 years from now? Will you guys be around in the future? And that's when the quote came in. So you're right. The direct quote, isolated doesn't tell the whole story. But in the context of what we were talking about and the discussion, the. The context was whether SGC would be around in five to 10 years. And that was the quote based on that discussion. Perfect. Great. Great catch. Great catch. Great clarification. I do believe, by the way, I'm with you. I believe Jesse. I. That doesn't mean that they're the, the senior executives aren't leading him on. Although I don't think they would put him in a gen general manager position unless they had. Like when they announced this, I thought, okay. And I even did a video where I said I was wrong. I thought SGC was circling the drain. This feels like one of those moves that makes me go, okay, maybe they are. They have grander plans than I thought, which is great. I love the resurrection. It's not even a resurrection, really. I love that they're really putting a lot of money behind sgc. Again, you also got out from him that they have six to nine graders, which was very interesting. I thought that was maybe the most interesting reveal of all because that's more than any of us thought. That's more than you thought. That's more than David Chase thought. I've said in the past that I think they have two to three graders. Yu-Gi-Oh And finding out that they have six to nine, I'm going to be careful. It doesn't sound like I'm saying 69 six to nine graders was very surprising to me. I have heard that right now SGC graders are helping PSA with their backlog. I don't know if that's true or not. To be very, very clear. This just a. Somebody said that on Twitter that they had heard that. So I'm talking about it third hand from somebody who. I don't know what their background is. So again, great. Get on that piece of information. Yu-Gi-Oh And the exact quote was. That was one of the few times that in the conversation. And at this point I'm talking to the head of customer relations and I'm talking to the head of quality control and what they were very careful not to give an exact number. They. They prefaced it with we're hiring for all positions. And they said, we have more than a handful of graders, but we have less than 2 handfuls of graders, which is where the delineation is. Okay, so it's six to nine. Yu-Gi-Oh they. For whatever reason, they didn't want to say an exact number. And they were very. It was very clear that they were, like, hesitating in how they were responding to make sure that they didn't give an exact number for some reason. I get that. I totally get that. Because then people can say, well, then they're grading X number of cards per day per grader, and they don't want you to know beyond speed. Yu-Gi-Oh we don't. They don't want us to know really anything about any of their metrics outside of how many cards they're grading overall. You also said that the head of graders has been there for 30 years. My question is, what has he been doing for those 30 years? Because they made it sound like, oh, he's been our head of grading for 30 years. But all they said was, our head of graders has been there for 30 years. He could have been unclogging toilets for 29 and a half of those years. Right? Yu-Gi-Oh they. They referred to it as the big chair. They said, Yu-Gi-Oh our head of grading is the same head of grading that we've had forever. The guy in the big chair is the same guy. When a lot of people left SGC and went over to psa, there were a core group of people who. There's a lot of tribalism and a belief in SGC that didn't want to leave, refused to leave, wanted to stay because we believe in this brand. And among them is our longtime head of grading who's been. Who's been grading with us for 30 years. So I don't know if that clarifies a little bit. Again, you know, I don't want to try to guess exactly where they're coming from. I'm more sharing the broader. The broader strokes of what they had to say and some exact quotes when. When possible. Yu-Gi-Oh that's great. I also do. I remember hearing what on this podcast with David that all 19th century cards go to the head grader. I don't recall that. Maybe I heard that somewhere over the weekend. So that was another thing that I'm. I was like, oh, that's really interesting that the only person who can grade 19th century cards is the. That might have been PSA, though somebody will have to comment and tell me where I heard that, because I don't think that was from me. I don't recall that. Okay, so those were the. Those were the questions. I think you. Obviously not that I'm surprised. I think you clarified very, very well. Anybody who's not listening to this podcast. It's on Saturdays right here on Sports Card Clubhouse. It's extremely good. You and David are great together. Not as good as you and me, of course, but. But, you know, you've got an inferior partner over there with David Chase. I'm kidding. For anybody who I know, I know commenters, I have so many things now that, you know, we've. We've hit a fork in the road and we have a few directions. I have three really interesting topics that I would love to get your thoughts on. You had brought up one. I'm happy to go that route. And then I have a couple of things that have come up in other conversations that I would be curious to pick your brain on. So what do you want? What do we want to do here? Well, I think I can go through the comps one pretty quickly. I just had some thoughts. Do you mind? Yu-Gi-Oh But first, I do want to point out that if you were not wanting to comp anymore because you were looking to sell your cards or you wanted to compare and make sure you're getting a fair value on your collection, our good friend Chris sewell@collector investordealer.com well, it's collector investor, dealer card, CID cards.com Sewell sports cards. Chris is a great guy. He's a person who I can genuinely tell you I trust. Recommending that you're going to be treated well. Again, it's CID cards.com for collector investor, dealercards.com Brand new website, Sewell Sports Cards. Chris is the best. And I would. I would literally recommend him to. And I have recommend. I have recommended him multiple times. Me too. Friends. And I would even recommend him to family because he's such a good dude. Me too. So the Ball Card show, which is a podcast, it's now on sports cards nonsense. But they were independent for a long time. I really, really enjoy. I've just started listening to them in the last few months and I met Jason at the National. They seem like really cool dudes and they're friends with each other, like legit friends. They had a podcast where they talked about our comps dead. And I'm not going to get into what they said. All I want to say is I don't think comps are dead. I think we are adapting and adjusting based on the current market. When I see, because cards are going up so fast, if I see a comp of a hundred dollars in the past, I would have put in a snipe bid of 110 or $120. Now I'm thinking, well, how long ago was that hundred dollars? It was four months ago. I've got to put in a snipe bid of 180, $200. So the comp gets me a starting point. Yu-Gi-Oh I feel like I have a good sense of what a lot of cards are worth, but. But comps get me a starting point. You have to use your knowledge of the market, not only the broader market, but the market for those specific cards to know. Plus, of course, card ladder gives you an index and it tells you use card ladder SCC code for a full month. Free card ladder gives you that, hey, this last comp was three months ago and it was $100. And based on the index, we consider it worth $137, something like that. And, and you can, you can go in and see why they believe that. It shows you what the index is. But it's. I feel like we're at a different point in the market today in 2026, mid-2026, than we were even six 12 months ago, where you have to take comps into consideration but also largely discard them. Yu-Gi-Oh I think that's really well said at comps, I believe still matter, but the comps matter differently. And with vintage cards, the Yu-Gi-Oh appeal movement makes it where you, you have to not just look at that particular copy and what the grade is, but you have to look at the Yu-Gi-Oh appeal of that copy. And so if it's a card with exceptional Yu-Gi-Oh appeal in that grade, you can't look at the average what it sells for at that grade. You almost have to look at the, the highest one is ever sold for in that grade and maybe even be willing to go above that. So I think that, I think that comps matter less because of a, the I appeal movement and the willingness of people to pay up for the ones that look good with vintage. And like you just said really well the, the fact that some players are surging in values. If a card hasn't sold in three months and that player's market is on fire, then you can't use the comp from three months ago because all that other guys, that guys, all of his other cards have gone up 50% in the last three months. But that card hasn't sold in the last three months. Therefore, you have to be able to say, well, then this card must have probably gone up 50 too. Which is why the card ladder index is such a valuable tool. And I know that some people kind of bash on it. You know, I've heard other people in the community say, well, no, because their values are off. Well, what their values are based on is comps. Plus what is happening with that player's market across all Topps of cards, which I think is as valuable as ever in our current market. Again, card ladder is they are a paid sponsor of my individual channel and your individual channel, they're not of the Sports Car Clubhouse, but we are partners with the promo code scc, where you could get it for free for a month, which I don't know why anybody wouldn't try it for free for a month. But, Yu-Gi-Oh so I don't think they're dead, but I, I think that they don't mean as much as they did 10 years ago. Yu-Gi-Oh that's a great point about Yu-Gi-Oh appeal too, because if you have a. Let's just go with my, my SGC 1.5 Wilt Chamberlain that has the most insane Yu-Gi-Oh appeal of a 1.5 in history. I'm convinced. I'm now I'm going with, like, definitive statements. This is the greatest podcast in the world, sports cards specifically. And my wilt is the greatest 1.5 Yu-Gi-Oh appeal in history. And not just of wilts of any 1.5, just going extreme here, but when I was looking at comps, I was actually looking at comps the day before to see, you know, what, what drives that market for that card. And in, I was looking at another SGC 1.5, not this one that had, okay, Yu-Gi-Oh appeal. And so I was looking at every single recent sale in 1.5 to see what those do and trying to compare them to the other one that I was looking at. And so when I saw the one that I ended up buying, I knew immediately the price tag, which was 2500. I've been open about that. The most I've ever paid for a card. The $2,500 was a bargain. It was an Absolute bargain because Those cards in 1.5s that weren't high I appeal were selling for between 1800 and $2200. And so when you can get the greatest I appeal card of all time for 2,500, then you take it. But that's where those comps came in. I looked at all of the last, I don't know, 10 1.5s and knew when a good IPL one comes up, I'm going to go above. Yu-Gi-Oh Be and. And we are in a market now where, in my opinion, a savvy collector is willing to go above and knows that it's going to pay off. I mean, David Chase talked about it at the National. He. He bought a few cards that were really high I appeal cards. And he went on my, you know, sports live sports card show thing that I did on my channel, and he put some prices on there, and people were like, come on, dude, these are museum prices. These prices are crazy. Well, guess what? He went to the national with those cards. He sold all of them. And not only did he sell all of them, several of them he sold to dealers at those prices because the dealers know what people will pay up for. So he. He bought these cards that he. People first could have gotten on my online live stream card show. They passed and dealers bought them and put them in their showcases and marked them up above that. So there. There are definitely people out there that see that there is an added value. And I want to tie this in to one of the things I wanted to talk about. And one of the things I wanted to talk about is there are blind spots in the market. There are things that are overlooked, and there are times that I don't know why they're overlooked. And David and I talked about this a couple of weeks ago on our podcast about how he and we kind of search for things that are overlooked, and then sometimes you just, like, stumble on them. And I stumbled on a card, and I'm going to show you a card that I that came in the mail today. And I think it's a blind spot in the market. And it's one of these things where if you look at comps, if you look at recent sales, you go, well, that's what that card's worth. But there are times that I think that people are just overlooking things. So this card right here is a beautiful. Show me Barry Bonds Epics purple insert card and 1998 pinnacle, right? Correct. Now, 1998 pinnacle epics. Okay. I mean, this is. It's a gorgeous card. It's Barry Bonds. Now, these cards are confusing, and they're confusing because they came out through multiple products. They came out through score. They came out through Pinnacle. They came out through Pinnacle Certified. There were three or four different products and seen it too, right? I maybe. Maybe the. The. The. And see even that I know a little bit about them, but I don't know everything about them. And because then so they're a little bit confusing. So people don't know about this card. Now there are, there's emerald, there's purple, and there's orange. And the differences are like this one is the play, one of them is a game and one of them is season. Do I have that right? Correct. So yes, it goes. So, so there's, there's emerald, which is the rarest. There's purple, which is the middle. And then there's orange, which is the most common. Now within those, the most exclusive one is moments, and the least exclusive one is play and then game and then season. So most exclusive is moments, then season, then games, then play. So there are three colors and in each color there are four varieties of the card. So it's, it's complicated. Right. The other thing is they're not serial numbered. But what they did do is they said the moments. Emerald, there are 30 of the purple, moments, there are 60 of. And through some extrapolation of other information, you can understand that the orange, there's a little above a hundred of. Now they don't have a printed print run of the other purples, but it's going to be around the same number. So there are, give or take, 60 to 70 of this Barry Bonds cartoon. Okay. And it's beautiful. So I've got a Barry bonds card from 1998 that came in the mail today. There are probably 60 to 70 of them that were produced. There's certainly not 60 to 70 of them that are in circulation because a lot of these cards are in landfills because people didn't know what they were. What do you think I paid for that card again? 6, 30, 70 of them. 1998 insert. I hate to under guess, but I, I've done research on this with the nomar because nomar is in the set. Pedro's not. Nomar's in the set. And I know that nomar. So this, you said this is the, the least. I'm gonna say 25. It was 21 bucks. It's Barry Bonds. It's a Barry Bonds insert card that there were probably 60 to 70 produced of. At the most. 60 to 70 produced of. It's. Now if, if I, if this was numbered, if this. He hit the gong on the Gong Show. If, if the, if this card was numbered to 60, this would be a $5,000 card. But because it's not numbered. Such a great point. It's 21 bucks. So what I'm getting at is the blind spot in the market sometime is people are lazy and I'M not trying to be disrespectful to anybody, but people are lazy and they. If it's numbered, they go, oh, there's only, there's only 60 of this card. I'm going to pay thousands of dollars for it. But because you had to actually do a little bit of research to figure out that there are 60 to 70 of this card, it's worth 21 bucks. So then you go on Card Ladder and you go, is that really all that's worth? Yu-Gi-Oh it's all it's worth. Barry Bond stuff is surging right now. I don't understand. Yu-Gi-Oh so I think at some point in the future that's going to change. I think some point. At some point there will be an app that takes over. Whether it's an existing app, like Card Ladder will start putting in print runs. And you and I have talked about this before. Pack odds and print runs. It is so. Sounds almost like Jeremy Lee's book Pops and comps. Pack Odds and Print Runs is going to take over. It's going to be the next big revolution in this hobby. And I'm. I am just like you, although I think I was a little ahead of you. Started to buy up all the nomars and Pedros of the late 90s and early 2000s. And it's. Honestly, Greg, it's maybe the most excited I get right now in the hobby is when I discover a new insert like that that has such low print run that nobody ever talks about. And I think it's partially because it's a Pinnacle card, but it's also amazing. And a lot of people say, hey, the print run on this is low. It's so undervalued. And I look at the cards and I'm like, well, it's because the card sucks. It doesn't look good, but those Pinnacle epics are amazing. They look so good. And I need. There's nomar and Move On. I'll take the nomar. I'd love to have the move one-of-one too, but the nomars are cheap. They're like. I think for the second lowest, it was like 10 bucks. In fact, I went in, it was listed at $10. A best offer for one of them, I don't remember how long ago. And I offered $8. Just. I was greedy. I was greedy, Greg. And like two hours later, I get the alert that it sold for full price. And I was like, why didn't I do that? Why didn't I just pay the $10? Greedy. And. And the Pinnacle Thing I hear. But when you think of Skybox, Skybox cards, right? I mean, I was buying sky, but that first year basketball skybox with the orange border and the Sean Kemp rookie card that they printed to the moon. 1990 skybox. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean those things are everywhere. I don't think of Skybox as a premium product, but Skybox made metal Universe cards. And so even every brand has premium products within the brand. And because of that I find it there are things, things out there that have been overlooked that I think are, are people, people are overlooking. People are overlooking stuff. And so when we say, oh, there are no deals out there left, I don't know, I think there are, I think there are still deals out there. I think that if you just look at the comps, it's not out there. And, and Jeremy Lee did that whole, oh, what are you showing something? Oh, yes. Kurt Rambis. This is the greatest 1990 hoop, 1990 skybox card that's out there. Kurt Rambis with the strangest pose. The short shorts I love. It's one of my favorite cards. Kurt Ram is 1990 skybox. Of course it's worth nothing, but what a crazy pose. Well, Gary Payton's got a rookie card in that set and it's worth nothing too because there's just so many of them. Yu-Gi-Oh I, I guess, I guess what I'm getting at is that there are still things out there. And you know, we have some friends that have been going down this whole Mickey Mouse card, vintage Mickey Mouse card, rabbit hole. And they've been just sleeping for a long, long time. They've just been kind of, you know, not crazy priced. And then Gary V. Makes a comment on, on a podcast that there are like four or five cards in not vintage non sport that he thinks, he thinks they're going to go crazy. And one of them is these 1935 Mickey Mouse cards. And the cards literally like quadrupled in value overnight. Literally. And I'm not happy about it because I've wanted that one for a couple of years and I just keep pushing it off, pushing it off because I have so many baseball cards and so there are so many non sports cards that I want and I'm like, Yu-Gi-Oh I can wait. I've got all these baseball cards I need to buy first and now I'm regretting it a little bit. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean I thought about that when Jeremy was doing that in Enter the Inferno thing on the main stage at the National. I, I was like, I felt like saying, I felt like putting in for it and, and being a contestant on it and saying we need a website with a database that's really easy to navigate where you can filter things to find pop counts. Print runs, pack odds, pack costs. Was it a premium product or where you can go what are all of the cards out there that have a print run under 40? And some people if they did that would go Yu-Gi-Oh I didn't realize that there were only 30 of these emerald Moments cards. If, if. I mean there are fewer Emerald Moments cards out there than there are PMGs. Yu-Gi-Oh PMGs and PMGs are astronomical costs. So that said, there's my new card that came in the mail today. Yep, it's a great looking card. Thank you. And we're at 38 minutes and I. That my la. My last little thing I think would be maybe too much. Maybe I could tease it and we could carry it over into another one because otherwise it would go. We would go too long. But since I mentioned it, I feel like I should. And by the way, if you're interested in print runs, if you're interested in pack odds of Anything from the 90s on, Brian the hypop professor is the guy you want to be listening to. He's like totally geeks out on this stuff. He's a numbers guy, he's a math teacher. So it came up in conversation the other day with David Chase and Tony Lieberck. My, the three of us were talking and, and Willie Mays came up and Willie Mays came up as a guy that the question was whether he's long term collective. What is his long term collectibility? And a lot of us the knee jerk reaction is well the thing about long term collectibility is if you're an all time great player, you're a long term collectible. Of course. So Willie Mays, of course, of course he's a top echelon guy. But then you go well what about like a Stan Musial who was a great guy, was an incredible hitter, put up insane stats, but he's far less collectible. And you go well maybe it's because he had gaps in his card run, so maybe that's why his cards aren't worth more. So the question I want to pose, and it doesn't have to be a long discussion, but what is it that makes somebody long term highly collectible? Long term demand isn't going to die off as people age out that watch them play. What is the thing that makes Mickey Mantle. Mickey Mantle and Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth, but Stan Musial and Frank Robinson don't have. Yu-Gi-Oh I have some really strong thoughts on this, Greg, and we're definitely going to want to tease it into next week because, oh, boy, it's. It's a pretty big discussion. I actually first had this discussion with Mike Moynihan on Bench Clear Media four years ago, maybe. We did a podcast about this exact topic, and I got torn apart in the comments, and I'm. I'm doubling down. I have been proven to be correct on this one thing, proven to be fault, to be wrong on a lot of other things. On this one thing, I've been right. And I'm going to give you the same exact opinion that I gave four years ago that I guarantee nobody remembers. So we can definitely do that. Okay, well, we'll have to wait because I have some. I have opinions as well, so we'll see if we see Yu-Gi-Oh to Yu-Gi-Oh I don't recall seeing that, but apparently I don't recall us talking about the pause button repeatedly. So just the fact that I remember what I had for breakfast this morning is a good thing for me. So baby steps. All right, any final thoughts then? And people are saying, wait, so you're not going to talk about it? Well, we'll talk about it next week. That will be next week's episode. Does that sound good? That sounds great. Okay. But it was on my paper, and if I didn't bring it up, then I would forget about it. And at least now I can go back and watch the tape to say, what were we going to talk about? Oh, Yu-Gi-Oh that's right, the tape. How alt art we? I don't know. I was at. I was at an estate sale the other day because I love estate sailing, and there was a Betamax copy. Did you ever see the movie Top Secret? Yes. Trying to remember who was in it. It was like, it's like a British comedy. Yes. Like a very abstract, almost Monty Python ish type thing. Oh, man. And. And I was like, I almost need to buy this because this is. Yu-Gi-Oh it's. It's Val Kilmer in it. I think he is a young Val Kilmer. Yes. I watched a YouTube video recently where I learned about this movie. I don't think I'd ever actually seen the movie. Maybe as a kid, I watched a lot of Comedy Central, so probably watched it and don't remember. It might be too inappropriate for Comedy Central back in the day. Nowadays, they'd put it on, they would edit it. They added, like, there are a lot of movies that I watched so many times as a kid as a. Even as a teenager on tv. And then as an adult I go to re patch auto I'm like, oh, Yu-Gi-Oh that was not in the TV version of this movie. Okay. I remember I was about 11 years old and there's a very well known scene from the movie where the guy is dressed up like a cow and some things that took place while he was in the cow costume that my 11 year old me was like covering his eyes and peeking through his fingers at. So anyways, we'll leave that there, but. All right, buddy. Another week in the books back at school. Students return in a couple of days. I can't wait to see their smiling faces. Yu-Gi-Oh I meant to ask you how school was and forgot. We'll talk about it next week though, because you'll actually have students. Yu-Gi-Oh I could tell you about the, the transition to middle school from high school and whether it was a good decision or one will be to be determined. Yu-Gi-Oh Hard to understand how you can make that determination after just a couple days, but maybe I don't think it'll take long to know. All right. All right, thanks everybody.