Card Foundation Ep. 275 - Bad PSA Updates

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And welcome to the newest edition of the Card foundation podcast. This is episode 275. I am your host, Danny Tankredi along with our other host, shy Tankredi. This is it. And I already said 275. Rookie mistake. No, this is 275. Yeah. Almost almost doubled up on it. Well, no, because the notes, everything, everything's all screwed up in my. In. In the. The, you know, housekeeping. Of what? It's because of the lost file episode. The lost file, yeah. So then this is episode 275, but in my notes it's 276, so. All right, well make sure you're following us along on Instagram, on x, on Tick Tock at Car foundation podcast. Newest episode drop every week, so make sure you're subscribed. That way you get the notifications when the new episodes drop. And make sure to leave us a five star review. We have any Apple five stars? Yeah, back. Yes, we do actually. What do we got? Who blessed us this week? So this five star review comes from Chuck Nasty. A five star review titled cursed by technical difficulties. Oh, the last review of my first review will never be heard. I'm definitely cursed, but this podcast is not cursed. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on royalty. Been so many releases to keep up on. I'm glad to have these two guys in my corner. Basically makes me feel like I was in the Free birds or Triple. Triple Threat. Triple threat from ECW. When I listen. Well, make sure to listen to what was the last Week's episode or 273 where I was in my bag. Yeah. About royalty. So go back to the archives, take a look. But appreciate Chuck Nasty, the five star review. It's always appreciate. And I'm happy to say we did get a five star on Spotify. Oh, yep. So another five star came in. So Spotify guys, it's easy. All you got to do is go to our page. You gotta do is click the amount of stars you want to give us. That's it. You don't need to leave a review. If you don't need to do anything else, click five stars. 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You know, personalities and people within the hobby have been commenting on your posts and you've been following us now. And you know, it only took, I think, you know, four years to really start to get the ball rolling. But yeah, I think I like what you're doing. So shout out to chat gbt. It makes my life easy. I describe what I want. It lays it all out perfect. Yeah, so it's. If you're not following us on Instagram, make sure you do so. And Tick Tock. I know we're trying to grow the Tick Tock game, so Tick Tock is like impossible to get followers. I'm gonna have to run some kind of sham of a giveaway or something just to. Just to boost those numbers. Go back to the old Twitter days. What we were trying to grow Twitter. That's Marketing 101. Yeah. Just give away free stuff and they will follow. Yeah, it's as simple as that. So we'll see. Be on the lookout for that. Yeah. Let's get right into this week's episode. So what do we got? All right, so let's kick it off with some what's going on in wrestling. We got a big weekend coming up in wrestling. So that's what we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about the WWE show on Saturday night and then the AW Charlottes on Sunday. So we'll start with WWWE this Sunday, May 23rd, 8:00pm Eastern on NBC. Live from Indiana is the latest installment of Saturday night's main event. So the match card is as follows. Becky lynch versus Soul Ruka for the IC title. Penta versus Ethan Page for the IC title. Paige and Brie Bella versus Nia Jackson. Lash Legend for the women's tag belts. Austin Theory and Logan Paul versus Street Profits for the tag belts. And Rhea Ripley, Alexa Bliss and Charlotte Flair versus Jade Cargill, Meechan and B. Fab. All right, I'd say. Oh, go ahead. Let's say probably something I am not going to to watch unless I'm bored. Well, Saturday nights also gotta give a shout out. It's orange and blue skies here in New York because the New York Knickerbockers are three games away from the NBA Finals. Yeah. So very excited about that. Last night was. Was one for the books. Full disclosure, we're recording this On Tuesday the 20th. Game one was last night. Or I'm sorry, Wednesday the 20th. Last night's game. Game one down, 22. Never say die. This team. Jalen Brunson is. I don't know how he doesn't get more respect in this league for doing what he does on a nightly basis. I mean, I don't remember how many MVP votes he got. I only think he only got like one. And he probably wasn't the MVP this year, you know, given what Wemby did and what Shea continues to do. But my God, he deserves some more respect for what he does every single night. He put the Knicks on his back last night and took James Harden to school and knicks are up 1 0. So. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah, I mean, I don't. This is actually probably the least star power fueled Saturday night's main event. They've probably done so far. Seems like a decent amount of matches and they're all. And they're almost all for the title. But the biggest name on the card is arguably Peggy Lynch. I mean, Rhea Ripley in a tag match. But yeah, I mean, there's not much. Not much really doing it for me here. So I'll probably sit this one out, especially with the Knicks on. Yeah. And then Sunday, which I'm gonna try my best to. To tune into this Sunday, May 24, 8pm Eastern, live from Queens, New York on Pay Per View is AEW's double or nothing. So the match card is as follows. Willow Nightingale vs Alex Windsor Swerve vs Bandido Will Ospreay vs Samoa Joe. Team Jericho Elite and Hurt Syndicate vs Team Demand Cows Family Dogs in a Stadium Stampede FTR vs Cajun Cope in a I quit street fight match for the belt. And if Edge and Cope lose, they have to retire. Okada versus Takeshita for the International Championship. Tekla versus Shida versus Jamie Hayter versus Chris Stat in a championship four way. And Darby Allen versus MJF in a title versus Hair match. I want to watch. Is it gonna be 80 for the pay per view or what's it gonna be? I mean, if you wanna. If you want to watch it, I'll gladly. I'll gladly get it. And it's only with your HBO, it's only, I think, 29.99. Oh, that's it. Yeah. Or you could, you know, figure out another way to get it, but which, you know, if I don't end up going to Florida Saturday, I will let you know. Okay. What do you call it? Yeah, no, I think it's a pretty good show. It's sold out. It's, I think, the biggest pay per view gate ever for. Aw. And it's live from Queens, New York in the. In the Arthur Ash Tennis Center. The. It's where they had. Same venue where they had Kenny Omega vs Daniel mob Ryan Danielson a couple years ago. So, yeah, I'm excited to see if MJF goes bald. I'm excited to see Takeshita versus Okada. I think it's gonna be a pretty good one. I just think it's funny that you have like all these stipulations. They still make me laugh. Like FTR versus Cajun Coban and I quit street fight loser retires. Like. Like, how come you can't just have one stipulation? You gotta throw like four different. It's like old EC, old WCW style where it's like 15 different stipulations in one match. But yeah, should be a pretty good one, though. Yeah. Yeah. She just called it a street fight or an I quit match. Right. Everyone knows you can get out of the ring for an I quit match. Technically, an I quit match is a street fight because you do whatever you want, right? It's just you. It's mayhem until someone gives up. Right. So I don't know. But no, I think overall, I mean, every AEW pay per view is always a incredible show. So ideally it's one I, I don't want to miss. All right, let's get into some tops news. Looks like Chrome Cosmic has been pushed back to June 4. Unless that was always the date and you just had it confused. No, it was supposed to be out. I thought you said this weekend. I thought it was the. It might have been. I thought it might have been next weekend. This weekend? Yeah. I mean, we're gonna have to just wait and see. We'll probably get a checklist and all that stuff next week. So next week's show will probably be like the, the full product breakdown for Cosmic Chrome. We'll talk more about the, the inserts and all that stuff because it's going to be a set that I think people need to get a little educated on. It's not a typical Chrome set where you're just used to like your numbered cards and your autos or whatever. It's. I don't think you're guaranteed an auto and there are different like planetary type cases and stuff that are really important. So we'll go through the whole thing for that next week. And this just reminded me, make sure if you guys have your, your buybacks to start putting all that stuff together and getting that going. Danny reminded me Recently, I think WWE's is what, July 4th or July 1st. I'll fact check myself. But the last I saw, I believe was July 4th as the last day cash in. So you should start getting that together. You have a little over a month. Make sure you don't lose out on an opportunity to cash in at your LCs and trade that stuff in. And I know I've been saving mine. I have like almost 200 worth. Danny has like almost 900 worth. Yep. So you know, him and I are gonna hit the LCS and, and you know, pick up some, some wax or something. So it actually, it ends July 3rd. Okay. The final day. So after that, no more credit. Can't turn it in. It's dead over with. Actually I was laughing to myself today because it's so funny going on ebay listings to try to look for refractors in base. I think people are just dumb asses because they're literally charging. There's people out there charging 35 for like a refractor and then five dollar shipping, you don't get anything from. There's no benefit to buy the card at all. So it's just gonna sit there. Like people have to price the stuff to move. If you don't want to use that buyback, you can't expect people to pay even close to full value for that. You got to be at around anywhere from 50 to 70 max. You should not be any more than that because then what's the benefit to get two, three dollars from a sale? Like, that's stupid, right? People are just. I, I think they just do it to gatekeeping B, to be honest. Yeah. I mean, realistically, why would I spend, you know, $42 with shipping for a 40 credit that I'm just gonna trade in? It's like I'm taking $2 and burning it. Right. Because I'm not keeping the card. I'm trading it in for credit. And it's less credit than what I paid for. Right. So it's ridiculous. Makes no sense. Yep. Tops also released the latest Tops now card for this week, featuring the return of Brock Lesnar. I'm surprised by this. Are you? They ended the story in a perfect way. Well, once I saw SummerSlam was in Minnesota, I was like, well, there goes that. Yeah, he's gonna retire there. I mean, I get it. If. I mean, here's the only thing. Brock now has to kill Obafemi over and over again every single week until SummerSlam and then he finally gets his redemption again. That's. I think the story you have to play is that Oba got one over on Brock. Brock reminds him, hey, that was a fluke. You ain't doing it again. Just beats the piss out of him every week. And then let Oba slowly get closer and closer and closer to acting like he's gonna destroy him again. And then it pays off at SummerSlam in Minneapolis. It's just stupid because he did the whole. Left his boots in the ring, left his pads in the ring. He had a perfect goodbye. The fans, like, they actually gave him a respectful, you know, goodbye and everything. And on the biggest stage in wrestling. And like, so stupid. Like, I don't know. I. I don't see how this pays off with. Well, I think it's easy to fix that story. All you have to do is have Brock come out to say, you stupid son of a. I played you. I love you. I know. Yeah, I get it. Right. It's an easy one to fix. But I, I mean, I thought it ended great the first time, right? Exactly. Just don't, you know, just let it go. I'm surprised it's not Gunther. Gonna face him at SummerSlam. Yeah, maybe it's a three way or something. Oh, I would shoot myself. Well, I think they're doing. Are they doing Gunther and Cody? They're doing Gunther Cody. Yeah. For the title St. I mean, Gunther has run through every legend. You might as well just give him the title at this point. Let him hold it for another two, three years like he does every other belt or Triple H could put in a chat GBT to see what, you know, what his best options are. You should be the champion this month. Yeah. When it's time to scale your business, it's time for Shopify. Get everything you need to grow the way you want. Like all the way. 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So like we mentioned earlier, June 4, Topps Chrome Cosmic, followed by Upper Deck AEW Flagship for 2026. That'll be out on June 17. And then on July 3, Panini MLW Ring Royalty. So it looks like Panini's putting out another set of MLW cards. So we'll see what that looks like when we get a little bit closer. Get a little bit more of a preview. But yeah, it looks like we're gonna get a new top set followed by the latest AW flagship set right after that. So yep, before we get into the car ladder stuff I did want to bring up, I forgot to put it in the notes, but I wanted to talk about it. So the latest big event autograph show. Yeah, Started to release the talent for their next show. So the big event, which is the one of the bigger buy biannual autographed shows for wrestling in New York, it's going to be November 14, 2026, at the Suffolk Credit Union arena in Brentwood, New York, where it's been the last couple years. So they started to release some of the talent that's going to be at the show. And it seems like it's going to be one of the biggest ones they've done. So we're going to lead it off with Darby Allen, Kane, Kurt Angle, Hacksaw, Jim Duggan, the New Age Outlaws, Road Dog and Billy Gunn, Lex Luger, Kurgan, Mick Foley, Bret Hart, Kevin Von Erich, Brooke Hogan, Dustin Rhodes, Barry Wind. Did I mention Dave Batista? He wasn't technically announced yet. Well, I see. I see a graphic on what? On Instagram. On their page. Not by them, but. Yeah, I don't see it on their page, but I mean, the show was called I Walk Alone, so. Yeah. And there was somebody else that I saw was announced today. Although maybe not, because if you look at all the graphics on their page from Darby Allen up to Kirk and it says I Walk Alone, after that they removed it. I mean, maybe something happened because I saw that, I thought they announced him. No, what happened was when they changed. So the. Apparently the guy who runs Big Event posted it on his personal. In his story with the graphic of Batista and the event, but they never put it on their main page. But now I guess the event's not called I Walk Alone. Maybe he's out. Yeah, maybe he's out now. You know, obviously with Batista, guys probably got commitments galore in terms of acting and. Right. You know, Hollywood appearances and stuff. Oh, I did see. So they. They did post Rosemary and Ally from cna. Yep. They're gonna be there as well. They'll be there as well. So even in taking Dave Batista out, you have a lot of big names. I mean, Darby doesn't do a lot of stuff, especially locally. I mean, Kane, Luger Foley, Bret Hart, Dustin Rhodes, the New Age Outlaws. I mean, it's shaping up to be pretty. A good show so far. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. A lot of BCA opportunities, so it's been much needed. Like Big event has lacked 90s talent over the last bunch of shows and it's good to see. Hopefully that's changing with this one. Yeah, I like how they do bring in a lot of the AW guys and it seems that they're getting bigger names Each and every. Every show and they. And it seems that they always have, like, one bigger name that hasn't been around in a while. Right. You know, so like, two years ago there or. Yeah, two years ago they had Paul Heyman come, which, you know, he doesn't do much. I thought this year was going to be Batista, but I guess we'll see what happens with that if he ends up coming or not. But, you know, it's cool that they can get guys that, you know, don't come around all too often, so. Right. We'll definitely be keeping you guys updated with the names as they're released. But that's the official release so far. Yep. Yeah. Not a whole lot of wrestling car news this week. So let's get into mc, tracking some card ladder data. Yeah, so I did mention a couple weeks ago that I want to start talking more about other sets and some older sets and some stuff that we haven't, you know, doesn't get, like the hobby love each week. I feel like, you know, a lot. There's a lot of chrome talk, a lot of aw talk, a lot of whatever. But there are some other cool sets that, you know, we're collecting. Other people are collecting. I did notice in our Facebook group this week that someone had brought up the FLIR WWF cards, and then it kind of turned into a thread of people posting what they collect. And, you know, I know there's a lot of guys in our group that. That collect the FLIR stuff, so I wanted to kind of just highlight some random sales that I saw. It's not like it's in, you know, typical money order or anything. Like, usually we do like five to one with the highest sales. This is. This is kind of just random. All these sales have taken place this year. So from January 2026 to now, that's just stuff that I found interesting. So I figured we'll just go, you know, one by one with some of these sales and then I'll kind of talk even more about why I. I think it's interesting for. For collecting now. So we'll leave it. I'll lead it off with the first one, which is the 2002 All Access matchmakers Rock Kurt Angle dual relic card featuring the milk carton. And that sold for 300. Nice. It's a lot of money for a dual relic. I mean. Yeah, but when are you ever gonna see. This will be the only time ever we get a milk carton on a card. So, I mean, right. It's a fun, unique, cool relic. And I believe, I believe it was a part of the event. It wasn't what you call it, like just a random milk cart. So it's event used. Yeah, I have the picture there. There you go. And it's the Rock shirt is like a three color shirt and the milk carton is authentic event used. So. Yeah, yeah, it's sick. Yeah. Next up, 2002 Royal Rumble. Brock Lesnar, the. The rookie BGS95 recently sold for 700. Yeah, that's, that's a big sale right there. And I'm surprised for a BGS 95 that it got that. I'd be curious, see how the pop reports stack up. I mean those cards are extremely hard to dime. So you know there's. I know there's a couple vintage collectors that do like going after those, you know, that rookie class, Batista, Brock, Randy and Cena. Whenever like, you know, great high graded copies pop up. Yeah, that's a hard card to like buy Raw on ebay. You know, it's so condition, they're all. And you have to get that car knowing it's probably messed up. You can't assume because there were black borders on a lot of them and everyone just treated those cards like, like no one at those times were probably thinking like, oh, I'm gonna penny sleeve and top load, you know, the Rock or I'm sorry, Cena, Brock and all these guys. Right away they're probably just thinking, oh, I'll either throw it in a binder, throw it in a shoe box, I'll get rid of it. Like tucked away in a draw somewhere. They were looking for other guys. Yeah, they're looking for the stars and they're looking for hits like. Yeah, just the way it goes. Do you own any of those? I have Orton's rookie, but it would be like a PSA 4 or 5. Oh, it's banged up. Yeah. Yeah. Next up we got 2001 Clash, Austin and the Rock. WrestleMania X7 Matte Relic sold for 160. I'm surprised I got that high of a sale. But when you think about the significance of the match, I mean. Yeah, makes sense. I could see that. Yeah. I mean it's. That was a very popular WrestleMania. It was the first time that they. No, it was the second time that they fought. Yeah, it was 15. 15 and then 17. Yeah, so it was the first time. It was the second time that they fought. The last time they fought WrestleMania, that was a big match. So to get an authentic piece of the mat from that match or from that at least. From that Wrestlemania. But yeah, I mean, think about Matt Relic cards now and like think about ever getting close to 200 bucks for one, you know? Yep. So next up, this is a car that you own or do you still own it? Indeed I do. The 2002 All Access Rob Van Dam off the mat auto sold for 175. I wish I capitalized and got more of those. I wish I was able to pry this out of your hands when you picked it up. Not happening. Well, the. The RVD was an eBay purchase. The Jim Ross I have was a Babylon card show purchase. Remember what you paid for the gym, ross? I do. 60 bucks. Would you see the What. What it's just sold for recently? Indeed I did. Yeah, we'll get. We'll get there. Another Danny W. Yeah, it was. Those are. That's a great set. Because I just knew I. You know what? It was. A lot of the. The flir access autos have old comps and people were kind of sticking to the comps. But when you have to. When you see a card set so rare that they don't really pop up too often, like if you look up that Rob Van Dam, there's not many sales over the last five years of that card. Right. Or six years of that card tracked on car ladder, you got to snatch those up because eventually it's going to go up. People are gonna start paying attention to those more. They're gonna get more sought after. And now I think the bubbles burst beat. Well, they could still always go up. But even the ones I see of like, you know, Triple H, Tori Wilson Hurricane even, they're going for in the hundreds. Now. I was gonna say, I don't think you're getting any of those cards sub 100 anymore. No, no. That I think that ship is. Has certainly sailed. Yeah. People are gonna go back. It was a cool set. You know, it's on card. Some people signed on the card, some people signed on the mat. It's just. It's a. It was a cool release and I think people are gonna go back to appreciate those. Very innovative too. Like it reminds me a lot of like. Like a. What's. What was that set? I just let my mind. But you got like 10 hits in it. Yeah. What was it? Undisputed Tops. Undisputed. Like how they had like. Yeah. Some of those matte relic autos and stuff like that. Like it was kind of innovative for its time. And I think that year was only the. It was only the second or third time that WWE dabbled Or top stuff dabbled in rest. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Fleer. Second or third time that Fleer dabbled in wrestling card autos. Yeah. And there's only a brief history of Fleer wrestling card autos. So if you want to go back to get those, it's. It's whatever's out there. I mean, we've had multi. Multi years of tops. We have multi years of Panini comic images. Was his own entity, so only so many of those. But I think the FLIR stuff is undervalued and underappreciated at times. That's why I wanted to bring it up this week because I think it's an interesting set to talk about or at least an interesting era to talk about. Because now you're starting to get like, some of these bigger cards pop up and like, when you think of like, Austin, you know, like, that's his. His flir auto, the horizontal one. That's a card. I think that's like between that and the comic images, those are the two autos that you really want, you know, vintage wise. Well, no, he didn't have a comic images. Sorry. That was the Rock. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I just had flir and then it became tops. Right. And that was it. Yeah. A couple more. The 2001 Flir Divas private signings. Stephanie McMahon Auto. And she signed this Stephanie McMahon Helmsley, which I don't. She doesn't do that anymore. That's such like a era card. Like the Stephanie McDonald McMahon Helmsley era. Like from that era of WWE, obviously. One of the biggest names in, you know, WWE history. That. That got 725. Wow. I mean, I. And I think rightfully so. That's probably the Stephanie McMahon card. Yeah. Yeah. It's from the right era. It's from the right everything. Yep. On card. Stephanie McMahon Helmsley. Full name. Like the. The image they use is like perfect image for like heal Stephanie when she first started out. Like, yep, card's perfect. Yep. We also got 2001 FLIR WrestleMania Lita Lip Service Kiss Card numbered out of 50, sold for 383. Wow. Was that. Or just. It was just the kiss? That was it. Just. Just the kiss mark. No Auto. Wow. That's a great sale. I mean, we know the. The perf collectors out there, they. They love them. Right. Love a good kiss card. And it's funny, actually, that one, the one that sold still holds like the test of time. That thing is not faded or anything. No. Looking at it now, I don't know if that still looks the same in whoever purchased that card. But I don't want to go out there. You know, we won't go there. And last but not least, again, a card you own. 2002 All Access Jim Ross off the mat Auto card just sold for 250. So again, you, I think you had a little bit more of a morbid reason for buying the card. Right. But I, it kind of jumped before you could even get to that point. Yeah. And look, that's some of the best advice I ever got within the hobby. I certainly still think about time to time, who do you think, who do you think is passing away soon? Like that's who you buy. And I'll never forget that story at the National. I was literally, I learned, I just was talking to a random guy online and he's like showing me pictures of his collection. And he had crazy. And I said, how did you build up your collection? He said exactly that. He goes, all I do is pick up the best or, you know, nice autograph, you know, low numbered cards before people that are gonna die. So he, I said, who are you buying right now? And he goes, I'm buying Bill Russell. Two days later, Bill Russell was, he died. I remember that two days after he told me and Michael on that line, if we just looked at each other like, oh my God. And he bought, he showed me the proof. He bought a Bill Russell rookie psa seven or seven and a half, something like that. And he showed me what he paid. It was a couple grand and it did spike right away. Yeah. All the stuff jumped. Yeah, I mean it's. Look, we could get into the ethics of that on a different, you know, different episode. But whether it's, you know, you're the seller or the buyer in that situation. But honestly, at the end of the day, there's just, there's people that really don't care in the hobby. And I think part of that is because there's so many Ls that are taken financially. You got to take wins when you can. So people are gonna, are gonna capitalize on that. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't looking at that card for the same reason. I, I know who you bought that card from at the Babylon. That was only 50 of the reason was because of that. Because I'm like, no, I know you also like the set, right? I also like the set. And I was pick up if I could get those cards continuously at great prices, I'm gonna buy them all day long. Because I do think value wise they were Undervalued and they're gonna go up. Same reason why I bought the RVD one, because I actually. I like the gear in this picture. And one of my favorite figures growing up was RBD in that gear. That was the only reason why I really wanted it. It was like the camo green with the light neon writing. So I have the figure sign. I have that card. Really? Yep. So I. Was that a draft figure? No, it wasn't. They. I think they did two releasings of that figure, but it was a random ruthless. It was ruthless aggression figure. I could see that figure, like in the store. I remember. I remember that figure. I have that autographed. That's cool. I didn't know that. And the car to go with it. So I have like the perfect match of like my childhood. One of my favorite figures, so. And one of my favorite wrestlers growing up. I loved R. It's funny that this is like these. You know, some of these cards are just like. Again, I think this is a set where you almost like, you almost missed the boat. I mean, you can still pick up some of the stuff on ebay, but like, you're not gonna get steals. I think this is like you could in person at a show. That. That's where I was going with it. Like, that's where you gotta get nitty gritty. But how many people are really selling 2000s wrestling at a show? Like, I only ever see modern and then like your 80s, you know, same wrestling all stars and. And tops. Right? So, yeah, you gotta almost hope that someone like threw a bunch of old stuff in a box or. I've seen the relics from this set at shows more often. Yeah, I've seen those from time to time. I picked up a. A relic. Who was it? I think I ended up sending it over across the pond to Jamie. I don't know. There's one seller at the Babylon show again, he's got like a couple of them. I know he has the. He has the. What is it? The war booty. Yeah, he has the edge of that. He has a relic from like his hockey jersey. Yeah, I bought it from. From Harris Queen City Break Shout out. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. So you've been kind of a little silent killer of flir over here that nobody knows that about you. Everyone thinks you're just, you know, no tiffy and chrome and. No, I just. Look, there's stuff that I obviously have made probably a lot of bad decisions in terms of cards and selling prematurely or, you know, buying into the wrong thing. But I Think I'm out of that prospecting era. There's too many, too many Ls that come with prospecting to really dive into it. So go with goats in popular errors. That's the same display. It took what, eight years in the hobby to, to get to this point? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. No, it's true. I mean especially I just believe, I believe in cool cards. That's it too. If something looks nice aesthetically and it's a good star and it's something unique like you know, Chris Jericho hockey jersey or a milk carton or anything like that, like people are always going to get intrigued by that and want to purchase those somewhere down the line. Right? Yeah. I mean, and, and that kind of leads back to, you know, why I was looking at the set. Because really recently we've been getting a lot of event worn stuff from tops in Royalty. And, and I think, you know, I think universe had some stuff. But again, like, is this something where 10, 15 years from now these cards are gonna end up doing what the FLIR cards are doing now in the sense of like match worn stuff, event worn stuff of big names. You know, these, some of these relics that are selling for 150, 200 bucks probably sold for, you know, 10 to 20, 10 years ago because at the end of the day there was all. These are just relic cards, you know, whatever, who cares, right? But now I think people are going back and looking at the historical significance of some of this stuff and like, oh wow, Matt Relic from WrestleMania X7, one of the biggest WrestleManias ever. You know, that's important. Or like the milk carton card with the rock and an angle like that's an important relic now. And I think, you know, people are going to look back on like the cena stuff from his last year, all event used. Or I think people are going to look at some of these like premium relics like Tiffy's sparkle jacket or like a Ria or whatever. Like I think people are going to look back and say, you know what, it's important to have event used stuff with these big names. Because in the Panini era we didn't get match used. Really? Yeah. So there's a kind of a lost period of time where we didn't get that kind of stuff. So I think, you know, this stuff is going to be even more appreciated down the road. Well, so something to think about. Yeah, no, certainly is. So, all right. Anything else? Tenants and purchases. All right. I didn't really pick up much this week. I picked up a actually Had a baseball purchase little tops. Pristine gold out of 50. Juan Soto on card auto. I needed a Mets. Juan solo auto. It was time. His stuff last year was just. Everything was over like 3, 4, $500. So right. I played the waiting game. And actually it's funny, I was looking at the blue out of 75 of that card and those were selling north of 300. And I got the gold for under I think 300. I think I paid like maybe 275 for it or something like that. Which I'll. I'll take that. I think that might be a nice little steel ski. I just think the card's beautiful too. So that certainly helped in wanting to get that. But I don't know if I mentioned last week, but just in case I didn't for purchases. Oh actually I did. But I did get in the mail. Gold logo fracture re Ripley from this year's Chrome Gold WrestleMania Roman Reigns from Cactus Shack. And a Roman Reigns Cactus Shack WrestleMania to 20. Because again, my investment right now, I think again when you look at some of the mid 2000s chrome sales, even the manufactured stuff golds and you know, out of 75s, they do extremely well. So you know what, in I'm hoping In the next 10 years, you know, people are going to go back and it's going to be worth double and there's still really affordable stuff in good names. Like everyone should be picking up gold, you know, number to 50 or less of just top names. I think they're going to be sought after. Yeah, I'm. I certainly am. Although we're going to get into it in our next segment. But I think some of the things. Some of the ways that I've been collecting or some of the things that I want to do in my collection are going to take a little bit of a. A pivot with some of the latest news that we're going to touch on in hardcore this week. But yeah, I agree. Is that all you picked up? Yes. Other than getting like breaking shipments in. Right. I think the only thing notable was a Randy Orton errors of Excellence Gold to 50 from local Fractor. And I think that was it. Yeah, for me I picked up. So I found a WWE Mega Box Chrome Mega Box in the wild. So I picked that up and ripped it trying to think if there was anything worthy of. Oh, I hit a live base and a Roman base and which like normally would be nothing. But that's 40 bucks. Yep. And a. What's his name? Ilya Dragon of Auto. So it's not the worst Mega Box. But I am. I'm so determined to hit something that I. Every time I see one, I'm still buying it because, like, I haven't hit anything. Yeah. And I'm just like, there's got to be something in one of these. So. But I mean, from what I've seen, Mega Boxes were really tough this year. Yeah. I mean, people were pulling like GPKs and stuff. I did see that, but I really didn't see. Yeah. Crazy autos getting pulled out of it or anything. Right. So I also picked up a. On eBay, a three card lot from the 1998 Bandai WCW New Japan set that I put together. I picked up a Diamond Dallas page. It was a three car lot. Diamond Dolls page. Bam Bam Bigelow and the Giant. I already had the Giant, but I needed Bam Bam and ddp. So pick that up. What else? I picked up two packs of the newest Loricana set. Why. Why are you back on Lorcana? It's Toy Story. Oh, so they put Toy Story in them now? Yeah. So like an. I'm gonna try to hit a Enchanted that I'm never gonna hit, but I hit a Buzz Hollow, which was nice. Not. It's not a lot, but I'll put that away or whatever. What else? I think that might be it for this week. Yeah, I just. The PSA news kind of screwed me up with. Well, just like. I don't. We'll get into it. But like, just the way I'm collecting is going to change now. We'll see. No, it is debate about it. I may be able to steer you. No, you're not. Give me some hope. Okay, well, let's. You want to do the Patreon purchases first? Yeah, I got it ready to go. So let's see what our good friends are buying. And we're gonna start it up with Chris McCarthy. Chris got two free hobby boxes of metal from Upper Deck for being a degenerate on E Pack. We'll post the hits below. Wow. A nice little handwritten note from Upper deck. That's. That's. That's really nice. And it looks like some hits. A. Looks like two energized numbered cards of Max Caster. And Jamie Hayter got a red PMG of. Who is that? I can't even tell who that is. An Autographics Platinum Max. Oh, John Silver in the pmg. I couldn't think of his name for a second. And a Jumbalaya Tony Storm. So those are two really good boxes there. I mean, two case hits an autographics auto which are really hard to pull so that's pretty good. Tim Jacob bought into an exalted break that I actually stayed awake for and watched and lo and behold I hit the relic jewels mem out of five. Easily the best relic card I have as it's a piece of ring worn material from his wayward samurai chess gear and on the autograph side got my hands on a superior signatures auto Also out of five. Shinsuke Nakamura. I will say when royalty hit on the relics with the with the ring used stuff they did come out really good. But other than that it was just black and white napkins. William C. Hackenberg got the Becky spot on a whim to help good brother Medina fill a break and hit a gpk. We've been in severe dry spell over here so this was much needed and I couldn't be happier it was in a Medina break. Wow, that's always nice when I feel like that happens a lot. Either the the wrestlers that go last in breaks that like no one really wants or like just to help fill the spot. Something good always comes out of it. So it's like good karma for being a good brother and just like helping to fill Sometimes you need the card gods to to help you out and they'll throw you a bone. So James Kirk decided to start a major pod related PC and grab some Chelsea cards on ebay and found a bundle for €70 that included an orange logo, fracture number to 25. Nice. And two more to go. Mike Frius with only needing the Black Geo number to two and super fracture from the 2025 set, figured it would be a good time to start on the 2026. Chrome Priest Rainbow Purple Geo to 10, Orange Ray Wave to 25 and a Gold Geo to 50. Well with Chrome this year and more parallels, good luck there Mike because oh God yeah. Rainbow chasing and Chrome is not fun. No. And Johnny Espinoza back in the fold with some Carl Anderson 2025 tops Chrome cards. Looks like two number cards and a negative refractor. So thanks. That rounds out our Patreon purchases of the week. All right, well that'll wrap up car news and wrestling news and all that and we're gonna head into the final segment of the week. Another controversial one about PSA's latest pricing changes coming up right after this. 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So we'll lay out some of the facts and then we'll kind of debate on how we feel about it. So yep, for those who don't know, PSA made some changes this week. Basically the biggest ones being that they changed value bulk minimum from 20 cards to 50 cards. So you used to have to submit a minimum of 20 cards per sub in value bulk. Now it's 50. The wait times all increased also. So for for bulk submissions the wait time is now up up to between 140 and 160 days and that's business days. And then basically every tier was was changed so just to go through some of the pricing and this is effective May 18, so two days ago. Value bulk 24.99 per card, minimum of 50 cards. Value single card 30 to $40 per card depending on the value. Regular is now 75 to 100 per card. For cards under 490, 499 in Value Express is now 200 to 300 per card. Super Express 500 plus and then walk through is a thousand dollars per card. The published times are and this is these are business days. So walkthrough is 5 to 7 business days, super express 15 to 20 business days, express 30 to 45 business days, regular 60, 60 to 80 business days, value 90 to 110 business days and value bulk 140 to 160 business days which is more than 6 months. Yep. The one thing that they did do as a thank you or, or an apology for their customers and for throwing everybody off is they extended everyone's collectors club memberships three months for free. So now you will have your collectors club membership into March of 2027 probably because that's when your cards are coming back. So they need to make sure that the cards that you submit now will actually you'll still be a member by the time they come back. So. Yeah. What are your thoughts on psa? I mean, I do think it absolutely sucks and I think the people to blame in this are the TCG years. Yep. Because they are sending cards at literally record clips. Like one piece in Pokemon right now are dominating everything. I mean there's like upwards of like it's getting into like the millions of cards in TCG being sent. Like, it's just, it's stupid at this point. And again, I don't understand Pokemon, don't understand the market, really don't care too, that much. It's not, you know, I don't think anybody does at this point because I think the problem is like, it's not like they're sending in Pokemon Hollows that are, you know, ten dollar card. They're getting a PSA 10 and it's like a hundred dollar card. It's like, you know, a 40 card raw and 700 in a PSA 10. Right. That's the big issue. Everybody's sending all their in because of the, the PSA, you know, value that a PSA, a PSA 10 brings these cards is just tremendous. So like, yeah, why wouldn't you do that? Right? Yeah, there, there's not many instances now with even with any sport that you're sending in a 40 card getting a 10 and it's magically a 3 to 400 card on the spot. But with Pokemon, it, that is the case now. I'm just looking through, you know, eBay, PSA 10 sales of like just, you know, random. There are cards that do sell in PSA 10, you know, for like 70, 80, 90 bucks. But for the most part, I mean other than that, like you're getting stuff that's like 200, 365, 400, 217. And these are cards from like better recent, like 2024, you know, promo cards that are getting that. So. And I'm gonna check with the cells for raw. I just pulled up a random example. 2024, Pokemon SVP Black Stars promo Charizard PSA 10 to 217.50. I'm gonna pop that in and not do PSA 10 and just see what it could sell for. And it looks like PSA nines go for 35, 50, PSA 8 goes for 15 to 20. But I'm not seeing like anything raw of this card. It's like they're all graded. You gotta figure it's probably between a 20 and 30 card. Raw. Holy. I'm scrolling. I don't see a raw sale. How is that possible? I think I have that card so I could tell you. I think it's $20. It is. Oh, no, wait. This is a tag nine that sold for 20. But the. The point is Eve. Okay, let's say it's. I mean the eight to nines are selling for 20, so let's call it 20 raw. It's 10x. You're not getting. Yeah. You're not even getting in other sports. 20 to 200 on anything. It. The 20 cards that you're diming are gonna sell for 60 to 70. You're gonna get probably the cost of the card, the grading fee. And like, here's your 15 to 20 bucks profit that, you know, it depends. But it obviously depends on the card or whatever. Like there are recent sub that wasn't the case in a lot of them. I was surprised what I got for some stuff. Yeah. But I mean even like you can hit in baseball. Like I had a Roman Anthony Bass chrome first sell for 200, but it got hot at the right time and the right everything. That card's not selling for 200 anymore because he's playing like dog. But look, I did with the Bam bam. No, I know. I bought a gold Bam bam from penny select out of 10 for 30 bucks or 35 bucks. And I sold it for over 300. But you got blessed because there was no sale to get an offer up. They just made their own offer. Yeah, that was crazy. I. You got. You got lucky that this card ladder theory played to your favor. Everybody's using car letter value now, which they shouldn't. Because I, I talked about this weeks ago, how it's skewed. I've been seeing a lot of people in a lot of like, like show vlogs, people saying, oh well, the car lot value is this. So I'm asking this. Like people are using it now as a tool. That it's ridiculous. But. And again I, I showed the example of the upper deck. AEW MJF employee exclusive car that went out. They all sold for around a hundred. And card ladder has the value at like 2 something. No, the value is what are the last 10 sales of this card? Right. That's what it's currently going for. I don't want to hear about your. Your futures and what you think it's going to get to. You're supposed to show what the value is now. Right. So I don't know what metrics they use. And it's clearly faulty because I'm looking at Bam Bam sales numbered out of 10. You got how much for that card? Like three something. 318 or 320 or something. I'm gonna filter now by the highest sale and the highest PSA 10 of a gold Modern Bam Bam Bigelow card sold for 186. PSA gave you three something. But when you click on the card, they have their card ladder value at 379. I know. And they offered you. We'll call it 330, 340. Right. So they're the ones that are going to take the fat L on it, not you. I mean, you lucked out. But I'm gonna, I immediately accepted because I knew it was like, I'm gonna start buying cheap cards that have high card ladder value and then in case of dimes gonna give me an offer. I'm gonna make bank. Right? Yeah, yeah. Getting back to some of the, you know, the thoughts on this. Sorry, I got, we got a little excited there. No, I get it. I think increasing the, the minimum from 20 to 50 cars is absolutely. Yeah, it's, that's, that's the biggest thing to me. But the price didn't go up. It stayed the same. It's just they want more cards now. Now you could still grade, but you're gonna have to start utilizing bulk submissions with local retailers, your local card shop, and a company like Gamestop. But if you and I did a 50 card sub, which for us is probably not out of the question, 25 cards each, we've done, I've done my own individual subs of 20 of 20 cards before. Yeah, sure. So it's not out of the question. But before tax and shipping, that sub now costs $1,250. So you have to take that into, into consideration now. Like it's gonna be, first of all, you know, one, they're not even handing out dimes like they used to. So like. Right, you're gonna send in cards and you're gonna take a bunch of L's. I'm gonna, I'm gonna spend 50 on a car to get graded to get an 8. Right. And like the other thing I'm having a hard time with is grading for PC because like, that's not cheap. So if I take 25 or I take, yeah, say 25 cards because say you and I would split it 25 cards that I want to grade. You know, I'm doing a lot of the golds I've been doing A lot of like stuff I pick up at shows. I take 25 cards and now half of 1250 is 625. Right. I'm spending $625 just to have stuff put into a slab to put into my PC. Right. There's no point. Yeah, and that's what I'm having a hard time with. I, I at 20, at 20 car minimums, you know, you're spending like 450 or whatever it ended up being. Yeah, but you know, whatever. It was a tougher pill to swallow. But at least I knew I could like put a sub together. I can't even put my own sub together now. Well, let me, let me ask you a question because this is where I think you know what it is what it is. But at the same time there are options. Let's say you get a PC card, you know, and the value of that card is hundred dollars, right. 100 raw. Let's say the submission was 25 bucks and when you factor in the shipping cost back to you, the card really costed, you know, 30 for you to ship the item out through USPS call it, you know, whatever, another 10 bucks. So now you're at 40 for grading one card. Why not just do the value or the, the next submission up which costed only extra $7. If it's one car that you really love, are you going to let $7 get in the way of you grading what you want? And you could only send one card, there's no minimum required for the regular submission. You're just paying an extra 78 bucks for a card that's valued at 100, 200, 300, 400. That's worth it to me. I'll let it sit there for the one card if I really love it that much. But right, so it's 30 to 40 a card now. So if you do the next submission, it's 40 to 50. Well no, I'm saying it's 25 for value, bulk, 30 to 40 for value. No, it's value single car. I'm also factoring in the shipping costs, all that stuff. But so you're saying like the value, the value present is $33 for the card. Your bulk submission is 25. So you're saying if I hit a big card in a break or if I get a big card, you're gonna let eight bucks get in your way of. Yeah, sending the card anyway because I typically like to send bulk. I get that. But I'm holding in my hand right now a Roman Reigns auto to 5. I'm gonna let this stop me from sending in a card. Like, no, I'm just gonna pay the extra eight bucks. Like, and I get you. That wouldn't qualify, but I understand what you're saying. No, it does. Well, yes, because it's over 500. It's over 500 in value. So you're gonna have to send that express. I have to send it higher anyway, which, that's a whole nother topic that pisses psa. You know, where people get pissed off at PSA about is just because the value is higher on a car doesn't mean that it's, you know, you don't, you don't charge me less when you decide you want to grade it a seven and you want to tank the value of my card. But, you know, that's, that's a whole different also topic at the same time. But yeah, I mean, for me, I'm still, I'm still gonna send a PSA if there's a card I really love and I want to get slammed. And when you think about it, by the time you send that card in, right? And it takes the two months to grade, if you put away $3 or $5 a week at eight weeks, you just paid for it right there. I mean, yeah, you can say if you're in this hobby, you could afford $5 a week to put away to, to grade a car that you really love. There's, there's no excuse there. So it's not going to deter me from continuing to grade cards. It's just going to deter me from sending in a mass quantity of cards to grade. Well, I, I also think that, you know, they're, they're trying to, they're trying to kill the whole, you know, buy rod of to grade, to flip. No, I don't, I don't think they're even doing that either. They just need to catch up. I think it's so bad at this point and they are so backed up on submissions. The only way they are going to catch up is by preventing people not to send in. But they're still saying like, hey, if you want to pay extra, then if you're going to guarantee us X amount of money, we'll take this submission, spend more money, buy, buy more facilities, and hire more people. Well, the fact that there's only two facilities that are involved in this is, they're trying to, they're trying to do all the same value volume, but with the same amount of people. Like, just go hire more people. You're Making God only knows how much money you're making. Well, we, I mean, we don't know behind the scenes what that even entails. We don't know their work stamp. We don't know how many people. Yes, it's very evident that they need to hire more people. But is that a job even people want? Like, what do they, what do they pay their employees? What are the, any of the benefits? Like they just made an announcement that they're, they made a 200 million dollar investment which is, you know, I guess they're, you know, they're obviously, they see the value, complain about that. That's a substantial. No, you know, but we are hearing from people within the industry that like some of the, you know, people on social media and the hobby names and everything like you were talking about the other day, was it Boston Card guy or whatever Boston Card hunter came out and heard from, he had sources within PSA that they're not working overnights anymore, that they're not, you know, value submissions are just sitting for, you know, weeks and months at a clip now. Yeah, they're sitting there because they don't have the staff to get people to actually get these cards out from the post office to start the process to get them graded. They're just sitting there because they don't have manpower. Yeah, I mean, I, I think I'd rather them almost go back to what they did during COVID where they say, okay, no more submissions, we need to catch up, we need to take our time, make sure everybody gets the, the service that they paid for and not rush through these subs and giving everybody eights and nines when they don't deserve it. Right. And once we've gotten it back to a point where we can handle it again, we're gonna open it up again. Yeah, but I think raising the prices, raising the, the, the time, you know, they're trying to flood out, ultimately they're trying to fly out the guy that's like, you know, he's grading a 25, you know, base rookie of someone. And that should be the case because guess what? If it's not, it's not. It's my choice. If I want my entire collection graded, I should be able to, I, I get that. But it, it just pisses the other people off that like, really want to get their, like think about it. You're infuriated right now that it's going to take you five months to get a submission back. Right. Are you mad that people are going to send in their base cards that are preventing you from getting that submission back. Oh, I get it. If someone's sending in a base card, it might mean everything in the world to them, but ultimately them sending that in, it affects you. It's not. But it's not those guys that are pissing me off. It's the people that are pissing me off are the companies that are making these deals with PSA to like, backyard breaks. Who. You know, backyard breaks are taking. They're. They're saying on a product release day, say, take Bowman, Bowman basketball. They're going down the PSA headquarters. They're ripping 10 cases of it. And they're. They're grading the cards. The hits that come out live on whatnot. They're getting graded immediately and then sent out to their customers. Yes. Why do they get a priority over the service that I paid for? I'm a collectors club member. I'm paying a subscription for this. That's what's, that's what's not fair. My submission gets put in the back burner and, you know, I might. The last sub I did, I think was like 10 days late from the date that they told me. But yeah, you know, backyard brace gets to sit there and get their cards back within 24 hours. That's not fair. I agree with that. Yeah, it's a slap in the face of the, the people that are actually like us that have collectors club memberships that are sending in, and it's, it's messing us up. But you know what? I'm tired of it. I'm tired of the, the, the common collector getting by the big companies with pricing on boxes. I'm getting tired of the common collector getting by grading companies that have to wait six months to get their cards graded for their collection because other, you know, breakers need to get their stuff back in 24 hours. It's getting to the point where the common collector is getting every other way. Well, yeah, but you also have to add. They're. They're also getting that from Tops, from Panini, from every manufacture. It's. It's coming from everywhere in the hobby. It's not just coming from grading. I know it's. I know it is, but it's just piling on one after another. I was even thinking about this today. I have 840 of buyback from TOPS, Chrome, WWE. If Chrome Cosmic was coming out this weekend, LCS's are probably charging, probably gonna be around 400 a box. I could only afford two boxes of $840 of buyback for two hobby boxes. That I have a good chance of skunking in. Imagine I had 840A buyback back in. In 20, 21, 10 boxes. I'm almost getting a case at that point. Yeah, I could have got a case out of pocket because I think at that point, Tops Chrome wwb was like 120 a box. I could have paid out of pocket like 200 bucks for a full case. So. So I was actually a quick aside. I was talking to Jamie Stalker of the Squared Squared Circle Relics podcast about this because he heard our last episode and he was like, I love what you guys have been talking about lately. And I feel the same way. It's so, you know, whatever. By the way, I will say real quick, we're gonna, we're gonna pat ourselves on the back on this one because I've probably received at least five or six different messages from people agreeing in that sentiment and saying, it's nice that people are actually speaking up about this. Yep. Look, we don't have a big platform by any means, but we hope that someone maybe from the right company is at least listening to this and they take what we're saying and hopefully we'll make a change about it. That's. You can only hope that that's the case. But there's not enough people like us that are doing this that are actually speaking up about all the issues that are going on right now. Because, I mean, everyone's got their own agendas at the end of the day, but there's no skin in the game for us. We're true collectors at heart at the end of the day that just want to see better in terms of values, pricing, what companies are putting out, we got to call it like it is. So the one thing he did bring up, though, is in the UK with Upper Deck, Upper Deck does not allow distributors, wholesalers, or stores to resell their authorized product for 360 days. Oh. So if I have a hobby shop or if I'm say I'm a. I'm. I'm. I buy Upper Deck. Aw. In the UK, I can't buy 10 cases of it, bring it to my store and sell it for, you know, whatever the markup I want for 360 days. Yeah. Because it gives the collector the, the chance to get product at a reasonable price at fair market price without getting, you know, gouged. And I said like, that's, that's amazing that they're doing that over there because over here you're, you know, tops is selling a box for 200. The LCS is buying however many cases and they're flipping it for 500 in the store and I'm getting priced out and I can't even get a box online because they're, you know, they're selling out via EQL immediately. Yep. But, you know, just back to psa, just to kind of tie this up well. And real quick, I got some stats for you too from psa. Just see how much we're getting by the TCG people. I've got, I'm coming guns blazing at them this week because PSA yesterday, May 19 graded 88, 951 cards. Of that quantity, 61, 062 were TCG cards, which means that 68.6 of cards graded yesterday were TCG. Now you may say, well, okay, other sports, you know, still makes up 32%, 32% of that between baseball, basketball, football, non sport soccer, hockey, boxing, wrestling, mma, multi sport, miscellaneous tickets and packs. So baseball of that scheme makes up like 5%, basketball makes up like 4%, you know, and then so on and so forth. So really the TCGs are the one that are causing this backup, not the sports people. Because again, everyone that pulls a charizard is sending it to get graded. No one's keeping stuff raw in their collection anymore in the TCG space. Now obviously there's people that do and I'm being, you know, a little extra there, but I mean, that just goes to show right there. That's a, that's a major problem. And I wish it would be, I wish it would not get taken out on the sports people. If you know that TCG is having that problem, go back to the covered rule where we're going to hold TCG submissions until we get caught up. I mean, Dan, this, this company is big enough where they should have a TCG division where right at this, sports cards are graded separately from tcg. And if you have a TCG card, you send it here and it gets the, the wait times and everything are completely separate. Right. They have PSA in Japan, PSA in Jersey, PSA in California, PSA in Europe. Like, come on. Yeah, it's such a big part of their, of their business and it just needs to be separate at this point. Right. Because it, it's ridiculous that it's May 20th and if I send in 50 cards value bulk right now, I'm not getting anything back. I mean, yeah, I just said I sent in a submission I think a week or two ago and it's right now telling me October, so about five months yeah. No way of a wait. That's what. It's just the anticipated date is right. And by the way, just to back up that TCG, May 14, it was the same issue PSA graded 102000 cards. 70000 of them. So almost 70 were TCG. Wow. So all you owe you Pokemoners and, and magic the gatherings and Yu Gi Ohs 1 piecers. That's my ass. Yeah. I just want a great a Roman Reigns or Rhea Ripley. That's it. That's it. All I want to do, I just want to. I just want to create a card and get it back in this calendar year. I know. Well, I mean we got a shot. It's telling me October. So we'll see. But I will say again, my recommendation, if you love a car that much, you want to get it graded, send it in regular. It's only an extra eight to ten bucks. So that again I'm gonna do that. It's not gonna stop me. I'm just gonna be smart about what I send. Am I gonna send in a $50 car to get that done? I better absolutely love that freaking card. But it's going to be stuff that's valued north of 1 2, 300 bucks. Yeah, I mean see that, that's my, that's my. I think my problem is like a lot of the stuff is PC so I'm just gonna have to sit with the fact that if I want the card back just to have it in my collection, just to admire it. I mean, here's the thing though. You being the fact that you love the card so much, you should love it raw or graded. So you shouldn't have a problem waiting. I get you don't want to wait. It's not your fault that you should have to wait. But at the same time, if you love it, it's not going anywhere. You're gonna get a chance to grade it one day. I. I know that. I know it's gonna come back to me, but. Or give it a GameStop. Because I bet you could give one card to GameStop at that value, bulk price. I don't, I don't mean to offend anybody. I ain't dropping my shirt off at GameStop. I've seen the people that work there. They all these guys do not know what cards. And I'm not, I'm just, I'm sorry. Like especially high end stuff. Well, yeah, I'm not giving them my cards. No, I don't like, I don't like doing it. You Know, there's just no way. I'm not gonna trust that they're gonna be handled the correct way. Yeah, I can't, I can't. If now in lcs or at a card show or. That's a different story. But I will not be submitting through GameStop. I don't, I don't care. I'd rather not grade. That's just me. To me. That's not, that's not an acceptable answer. No, no, it's not. There should be a, a service for the mid end collector that just wants to get his stuff slabbed. Yeah. Within a reasonable time frame at a reasonable price. But. Right. Yeah. It's just, it's, you know, one hit after another for the common collector. But, you know, it is what it is now. This just. The industry is growing so much. The, the market's growing and like, you know, I know you, you've been on the TCG collectors, but can you blame them for sending in a 20 Charizard that's getting them 250 back in value? You know, if this was the case in sports, I would be sending in cards weekly. Of course you would. I have so many cards in that 10, 15, 20, 25 range, but your sweet ass. I'm sending them all in. You know, like. And listen, it can happen. You know, I just, I just, I bought a, A year ago I bought a Lewis Hamilton card from Chrome. I know, I just saw that. Yeah, I subbed it. Subbed it and I got 200 for it. Yeah. In a PSA9. I was shocked. So like, I get it. I understand, you know, this is stuff we're doing. But you know, there are little things that, you know, that, that did upset me and I think the, the 20, the 20 minimum to 50 minimum is the thing that, that killed me the most. So. Yeah, but. All right, well, let us know how you feel about it. If you're a grader, if you grade to flip, if you grade to PC, if you just like the way your cards look on a slab. If you're upset by this, if feel like Danny, let us know. Hit us up privately. Hit us up in the great. In the Facebook group comment on social media. Let us know how you feel about it. We're here to continue these conversations. So that'll wrap up this PSA conversation. That'll wrap up episode 275. So make sure to follow us on social media. We are on Instagram @car foundation pod where Danny is posting high quality chat GPT style graphics every day. Thank you. Follow us on X. We're not really doing too much there, but we're still there. Card found Pod. 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