Card Show Are On Fire!! Surface Issues With @JunkWaxHero & @MidLifeCards ​

In our massive country, there are card collectors throughout the land participating in the hobby. There's Mike of Junk Wax Hero and Greg of Midlife Cards. And while distance may separate them, here is where they come together to talk cards. Hey, buddy. How are you today? I am great, Greg, and I am thrilled to be here with, with you all the way across the country from each other. I mean, we couldn't be further from each other unless I was Dylan and you were you. That's right. What did you do this weekend? Let's start there, man. I did a lot of yard work yesterday. And so I had kind of seeded the yard work to somebody else last year who is like a master gardener and he wanted to do my yard work for free. Today he's 22 years old and 20. I guess he's 21 at the time and wanted. He was like, I want to do all this yard work. And I was like, I was really excited about it, you know, like, I don't have to do any yard work for the year. This is great. And he did a lot of really cool things, but he's not here anymore. And so I'm back doing it and I love. I missed it. Right. Like, I was excited about it last year. I thought, this is going to be awesome. I don't need to do any yard work. But I spent the day yesterday mowing and cleaning leaves out of the nooks and crannies and pulling up oak trees that were growing where they shouldn't be growing and. Right. Yeah, it was great. It was great to be outside. I think if somebody is not sure if they're an introvert or an extrovert, a quick check is, if you like yard work, I think you're probably an introvert. And if you don't like yard work, you're probably an extrovert. What do you think about that? That's interesting. I know for a fact I'm an introvert. I've always been introverted. I love talking to people. But somebody defined this for me perfectly one time, like 15 plus years ago, where if you get your energy from being around other people, you're an extrovert. And if you get your energy from being by yourself, you're an introvert. Very much an introvert. And. Yeah, same. Very well said. I've. I've used that line myself and I. It's one of the reasons why my job takes a lot out of me. Right. I'm. I have to overcome my natural instincts. But enough about that. Tell me now because I was trying to lead you into. Didn't you go to a card show? Because I went to a card show the weekend before last and this previous weekend I went to a card show, but I was set up as a dealer at a table and my dad had a table next to us. And Jeremy from California, who was at Strongsville 2025, he set up on the other side of us and the three of us were in a row and we had a great time. But I wanted to get your perspective on what was the local card show scene like. What were your takeaways? Yeah, so I had not been to this card show in probably a year. And it was a show that I used to go to once a month. And then slowly, it's the same dealers every time and they have the same cars. There's very little vintage. There's no. There's no vintage that I really want. And so driving the 40 minutes each way was kind of like, how do I justify doing this every single month? Or do I don't even really enjoy it? And so I hadn't been, but my friend Oliver said, hey, there's an 11 year old who is a huge fan of your channel. He wants to meet you, so come to breakfast with us and then go to the card show. And I was like, of course. How do I say no? So this young man named Cody, we got breakfast with his. Him and his mom, Oliver and his wife and me. And he is a big, huge basketball fan, sports fan overall, knows a lot of sports and we had a great time. And his, like, he met me and he said he's a fan of my channel. And his first question, what is Teapot like? Really? Yes, I could. That's such an interesting question. And I could see that because if you look at the YouTube landscape, the, you know, if not the biggest channel, one of the top, probably three would be Jeff Wilson. And Jeff. Jeff Wilson fan too. But he asked me about Teapot. Yeah, well, and Jeff Wilson is a regular on Jeff's channel and a big part of Jeff's business. And I could totally see that. That. And he knows that you know him because he's seen you on him on your show. Yeah. And what did you say? I said, Teapot's amazing. He's an awesome guy. I'm a huge fan. He's insanely nice. Yeah. And smart and, and you know, all this stuff. And he was just thrilled to hear that. And I should have texted Teapot right then and said, hey, I'm sitting here with this kid who's a big fan of yours, But I didn't until after. Later on in the day. And you know, I said, has. I told him basically the same story. And Teapot replied, I like that kid. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, Teapot's a good dude. There are a lot of good dudes in this hobby, Even if they're people that maybe you don't see eye to eye with about what they collect or how they collect or how they do their channel or whatever. Most people are good people. You know, there's. There's not a few that. There's not more than, I don't know, not many that I would go, he's not really a good person. Most people are good guys. It's a good group. Yeah. So. Okay. So the, the show itself, though, it was absolutely packed, shockingly packed. I'm not sure I remember ever seeing it as busy as it was today. We walked in about 9:30 and it used to be that if you got there at 9:30, you. There was a ton of space. There was, you know, not very many people that were there until, I don't know, 10:30, 11, 12 o'. Clock. But it. I walked in, I was shocked. I took video. I was so shocked. And I. I didn't do anything else for. For my channel, for which I'll just put in my mail day video this week. But it. It was alarmingly busy and there was way more Pokemon than there ever used to be. Okay, so. So we're getting into some good stuff here now. Is there an entry fee to get into this show? There's not. Okay, so that said, that tells, you know, that that is at least an ingredient into getting a grasp. Were there more tables or was it the same room? Or had they. It's the same room, but they've maybe added three to five more tables. Okay, maybe, maybe, maybe 10. It's small. It's a fairly small. It's a hotel. Small hotel in South Portland, Maine, with a fairly small conference room. And did you see many transactions? You see what people were buying or did you get any sort of takeaways on, like, what's hot and what people are doing? I didn't. I walked around once with Cody, saw what he was doing, saw what he was buying, but I wasn't really paying attention to other people. I didn't buy anything myself. Oliver didn't buy anything. What was Cody buying? What was he targeting? Basketball cards. Any particular players? Well, he's a big Joel Embiid fan, so he was looking for that but couldn't find anything. In his price range. So he got a Donovan Clingan. You probably never heard of him. No rpa. Okay, that's cool. He's a, I think second year maybe he's a rookie for the Trailblazers Center. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. My show was the first time they'd ever put on this show. And so you don't know is there gonna be three people there or what is there gonna be. And it was insane. I mean people couldn't walk down. There were no aisles. It was a mob in every. There was no personal space available for anyone. So are you. If we were to compare this, would it be like the upstairs of the national last year somebody said this is like upstairs of the national last year someone actually said that. I would say it was similar to that but the, the walkways were probably actually ADA compliant instead. So they were wider, not much wider, but they were wider. And it was just, it was, it was very, very full. And I would say it was about 60 to 65% Pokemon and about 35 to 40% sports cards. But everyone was, I mean every dealer I talked to, whether they were Pokemon or sports cards were just like, this was, I mean I had a great show. I mean I was selling just stuff that I couldn't even believe I was selling. I'm just like really like, I mean, just random, like it was, it was like a feeding frenzy. It was, it was like there were some rabid dogs and I threw out a couple of Big Macs. It was crazy. We've got to go back to that. But first I want to ask you, are you accusing the national of not being ADA compliant? Alert, alert. I, I'm not accusing anyone of anything because I don't even know what that means. I just saw, I've seen signs on walls, so I'm sure they're doing what they're supposed to. So let's talk about pricing of your cards because I'm really interested in this. Let's say you had a hundred dollar card. It's consistently selling for between 90 and $110. How did you price it? Well, let me just first start by saying this. If I were going to not set up as a dealer and I were to sell my collection or part of my collection, the place I would probably go is to our buddy Chris Sewell. Now as you know, Mike, if you go to sportscardclubhouse.com and you go to partners, you would find on that page a link to Chris Se's website and you know, collector, investor, dealer.com you can contact him se sportscards gmail.com and I'm actually going to tell you a story about somebody that has a collection that might be available and they were asking me for advice and you know, we're going to meet and we're going to look at the collection. I'll tell you about this in just a second. And one of the options that I think is a good option is to go to Chris because in this hobby if there's anything that is important to me it is trust. And I trust Chris. So yeah, as, as a sponsor of the channel, a friend of ours as well again Chris Sewell collector, investor, dealer.com and sewellsportscardsmail.com as far as how did I price things? Things I didn't really want to sell. I priced about 10% above market and stuff that I did want to sell. I, I priced pretty much right at comp and 1% above market for something you don't really want to sell. Feels too low. Yeah. So you've got a thousand dollar card you've got to price at 1100 so you sell it for 10.50. I'll give you an example. My, my Jim Brown rookie card. Okay. I've, I have David Chase has rubbed off on me and what David Chase has been preaching at me for about a month now is that if a card is not your forever copy, why are you holding it? If it's not your forever copy, move on from it and free up that equity to put into something that is a forever card. And I don't have a good comeback for that. I mean it's one of those times where like people in this hobby affect me. They influence what I do, what I think. I think that's strong advice personally. So I decided you're right. This, I'm not going to keep this one forever. I'm eventually going to get one and it's going to be better. I think I'm going to get one and it's going to be different than this one. My standards have changed a little bit. That's a really tough card centering wise. And so I put it up on eBay for 1350 and the highest one had ever sold for was 1280 and I put it up for 1350, best offer on ebay. So then I started doing some math and I'm like, I would walk with about, about 1200 bucks. Just clicked buy it now. Right, right. And I'm not, I'm not, I don't need to sell it. So if it wasn't a price that I was okay selling it for. So I listed it for 1250 and on my, in my case, and I was hoping I would get 1200 for it, and I got 1200 for it. So that would be an example. There was a Jeter card. Because I'm kind of, as, I'm getting more into the refractors and the 90s inserts in the early 2000s inserts. Yes. I'm starting, I'm starting to see separation from. These are some cards I want to target. Those are some cards I want to target. And these ones I'm not as interested in. So I've decided some of those. And, and I could go into that if you want. But those cards I wanted to free up. So there was a card I wanted to get 200 for, because that's about what I paid for it. And I put 230 on it, and I sold it. I, I sold it in it. I, I, I got rid of it in a deal. So I had a trade, but I, I essentially got 200 in value for it, I would say. So that's how I kind of price it is a little. That was a card. If I didn't sell it, I would have been fine with. But then there's stuff I don't care about at all, and I just, like, put whatever price on it just because I didn't even bother to look it up, because I was like, I hope somebody gets a good deal. I don't care. Yeah. So do you want to hear about my trade? Nope. Here's the deal. This guy walks up. This guy walks up to me. This is my, My kids will say to me, hey, do you want to hear something funny? No. No, I don't. Of course I do. That's great. So this guy walks up and I bought, I had an atomic refractor, Jeter PSA 9 90s. I had it. Okay. Yeah, it was in a PSA 9. But it had too much hulking. There was too much greening that every time I looked at it, I'm just like, I wouldn't mind having this card, but this one's got too much greening. I just, I can't do it. And so I put it up for sale. I'm putting you to sleep. I got a big yawn for Mike out of that. It's late here in Maine. Gotcha. It's. It's 553 if you're keeping score at home. Denny's is about to shut down. He. So the guy says, I'm interested in this card. Would you want. This is. I would be curious on your feedback on this trade, actually. Okay. So he says, I. I want. I'm interested in this Jeter. I think I had 230 on it. It's a 200 to $210 card, maybe 220 at the most, but I didn't want it anymore because of the greening. He says, would you be interested in a trade? And I go, probably not, but I'll take a look. So he hands me, he opens up his case and he goes, he hands me a stack of cards and all but one of them were raw and they were all Shohei's. Okay. Shohei Optic rated rookie refractor. Unlicensed. What's that? Unlicensed. Unlicensed, exactly. SH tops Holiday Rookie Cup. The one where 2019. Yeah, the one where Trout and SH are in like a golf cart together. Yeah, it's p. Just a paper version of it. A lot of. Just kind of like mid to low tier, but a few year, like in angels uniform stuff. And I'm like, I don't really want to deal. So. So then I'm sitting there going, well, like if I were to get the optic, the best move would be to grade it. But I'm not going to grade it right now because it'd be eight months, so. And I'm not going to put it in an SGC slab. I don't even want to deal with that because of the grading disaster. Their delay is up to probably six months before they even reopen any value tiers. And then you're probably waiting six to eight months after that. Yeah. So you might get it back around the national next year. So basically I'm like, I can't grade it. So I. It looked nice. It was a little off center. Highest it would have gotten with that. Centering is a nine at the highest, so they'd probably give it a six. And I'm just like, I don't want to deal with this because of the grading thing. So right there I'm, I'm literally being affected by the grading thing. Even though I don't grade, but I'm. It's, it's affecting my decision. Right. Yep. So, so I, I, then I look and the last card in the stack was this Wemby Mosaic hoops something. But it was a Mosaic refractor and it was a 10. And I was like, that's a pretty card. And it was a licensed card. What's that? PSA 10. PSA 10. Okay. And I'm like, well, they're down oh 2. And if they were to win, this thing would probably go up by 50% at least. If they were to lose, it'd probably go down 100 bucks. But this guy doesn't really want to pay cash. But this seems liquid to me. All of this stuff seems liquid. So I comped the Wemby, and the last two. The last three sales were 420, 390, 400. So I'm like, this is a $400 card. So I go back to the guy and I said, well, what do you think? You know, here is there. I go, is there anything else you want? So then he grabs another Jeter refractor that I had $200 on. So he's at $430 sticker, but the actual value is probably about 380, 390. And I know the actual value is probably 400. And the WEMBY's 400. The last two sales. But the last two sales were before they went down.02. So I'm like. So we kind of agreed that the Wemby was probably a $350 card. So I ended up saying, I'll. I'll trade you the Wemby and cash for the two Jeters. And then he had a couple of things out of, like, a binder that I had that were like 20 cards that I don't even know what they were. Like, I don't know. I didn't know what they were. They were like, not a big deal. He goes, I'll give you 80 bucks and these. And I was like thinking, okay, so I'm basically getting like 430 in value or 400 in value plus those cards. And then he goes, and I'll throw in one of the Show Haze, okay? And. And there's a. I know this is a long story, but there's a reason behind it. So he goes, you could throw in one of the paper. The base show Haze. I go, okay, I'll take the Rookie cup holiday card. So I end up with the Rookie cup holiday card. No idea what it's worth? None. I. I think I saw a sticker on a card similar to that like a week ago at a show for like 15 or 20 bucks. Okay? And the WEMBY, which. The last two comps are 400, but that was before they went down O2 and. And $80 cash for basically 425 worth of cards. Something. And I did. Okay, here. I. I don't want the cards, but I want to help the guy get the cards. He Wants and get rid of the cards he doesn't want. And I'm like, shohei seems liquid and Wemby seems liquid. So he's not giving me cash, but he's giving me close to cash and being those cards. So what he does is I. I literally just go, the Shohei. 15 bucks. I don't care. Put a sticker on it. 15 bucks. Put it in the case. As soon as it hit the case, somebody picks it up. He goes, I'll buy this. I was like, okay, it's 15 bucks. 15 bucks. I mean, immediately the show hazel, the Wemby. The next three people that came to the table, they said, can I look at that Wemby? I said, yeah. This guy comes up and he goes, what do you. What do you want for it? What's your lowest you'd take? And I'm like, I don't know how to answer that. I want. I have a price on it. You know, I didn't want to get into it. The guy was nice. He was gonna buy it for his grandson that he wasn't used to negotiating. I go, 370. He goes, Sold. So I sold the WEMBY for 370 in 30 minutes. I sold the Shohei in less than 30 seconds. And I'm like, good grief, this stuff is hotter than I thought. And that was my big takeaway. Is the guy next to me Jeremy? He had two Shohei cards, both sold in the first 20 minutes of the show. I had this box, like this two row box of just total dog crap cards. But there were like a couple of like base shohes in there for like two bucks. Those sold in the first 30 minutes. Every Shohei that was at my table or Jeremy's table sold in the first 30 minutes it was available. It was insane. Yeah, the Shohei market is bonkers. And the Wemy market is perhaps even more bonkers. And part of me wonders, are, are either of these reaching a peak or are they just going to keep growing? Because more and more people are entering the hobby, and more and more people want the most iconic cards of the greatest athletes. Excuse me. And Wemby is really just starting. He's like Michael Jordan in 1989, in my opinion. Some people may disagree. That's okay. He's. He's on the verge of a string of championships or, you know, like LeBron went to like nine straight championships or something crazy. Or Eastern conference finals or 12 straight. I don't know what the number is. Wemby has that potential. Even though he's in the Western Conference. They have a very, very strong team around him. He could. His cards could continue climbing. Yeah. Now, I talked this morning, Sunday morning, on Clearing the Bases, about the guys around him are probably a better value because they aren't seeing that same massive bump, although some of them are for sure, but like Dylan Harper, Stefan Castle, they're going to benefit from his superstardom, and they're probably a better value if you're into investing in cards. And I'm not recommending, because I don't do this. No, please don't say Mike recommended those. If I were to invest, which I'm not again, and I'm not recommending anybody does this, those would be the, like, they feel like Draymond green potential from 2013, where he ended up winning four titles, and he's going to be a Hall of Famer because of who surrounded him and his contributions to four championships. Draymond is a really good example. It's. Scotty Pippen is a good example. Klay Thompson. Klay Thompson is a good example. It. Yeah. I mean, I. I think that if we fast forward three years, that card that I traded away is probably going to be worth thousands. But the part of it to me I didn't want the card. I was just acquiring the card because it was as close to cash as I could to help the guy complete the deal. And I was like, I'll probably sell this. So I just rolled the dice. But to that whole point, SH and Wy cards, like, there are so many of them. I understand the demand is overwhelming. It is absolutely overwhelming. But, like, you know, like, one of the cards I sold for, like, two or three bucks of sh was like, one of those, like, Future Stars packs or something that comes in, like, every pack of, like, a Blaster, and it's just, like, a bazillion of them. And someone gave me, like, three bucks for it, and I'm like, okay. But, like, why? Like, I mean, if they want it because they just want to have a couple of those cards. I don't care. I'm not. I'm not passing judgment on what they're buying. I just don't understand. Do people think, like, can this stuff keep going up? And if we go back a year, people talk about sh and they're like, there's no way Shohei stuff's gonna go up. It's gotta be peaking. But it was. It's. It's worth a third of what it's worth now. And I don't understand. I don't I get that he might be the great. He might end up being the greatest player of all time. I get that he's doing things that nobody's ever done before. I understand that. But how is his 2024 base tops paper card any different than Don Mattingly's 88 tops cart? How's it any different than that? Demand? Well, right now, but. Because, because you can get into a 2024 Shohei card really cheap. So if you're on a tight, tight budget and you're trying to find something for your child who's a big Shohei fan, maybe that's the way to do it. Whereas you can't go buy a rookie really, really cheap. But there are Shohei cards that are selling for millions of dollars, and, and there are Ruth, you know, Ruth cards that are selling for less than Shohei cards. And, and there's only like 20 of them. But, but Babe Ruth can't get any better. He can't win any more championships. He can't, he can't prove himself anymore. And, and SH still has that Runway. What more could SH do? Say he, say that SH wins MVP the next five years and the Dodgers win the World Series the next five years. Okay. Amazing. You think his cards are going to go up 5x? Yeah. Really? Yeah. I don't know about 5x, but yeah, they'll keep going up. I've been saying for probably four years he has the potential to be the greatest baseball player of all time. And people are banking on that, that he is going to become the greatest baseball player of all time. And people hang their hat on Barry Bonds being a steroids guy. So he's out of that argument. And you've got Babe Ruth and Willie Mays. Who else is in that argument? Certainly not Ted Williams, who was only a hitter. Right. The greatest hitter of all time. Ted Williams. Nobody calls him the greatest of all time. Nobody calls Mickey Mantle the greatest of all time. Joe DiMaggio. It's between Willie Mays and Babe Ruth. And Shohei has that potential. Yeah. To pierce that pair and become number one. Yeah, he does. He does. And the cards are beautiful and they're well made. And, and I'm not. I'm buying modern cards, too. I mean, I can't believe where I've gone in the, I mean, when we started this show, I was like, I'm thinking about buying some modern car. Where should I go? And it was like. But now here I am. I'm like, I'm, I'm interested. But I, I, I, it just, it Just seems, it seems wild. Like it seems wild. What has happened? I, I, I don't know. I don't know. I mean I'm, I'm probably an old, old guy. I am an old guy. But I understand why people would want his cards. He's incredible. A lot of the cards are pretty and, and see this is the thing I was expecting you to just beat me with is how much do I regret not getting all those other show haze because I would have sold every single one of them and I would have made a lot of money off of all of them if I had just put them out raw in the case. And I, it was early in the show. I guess I didn't realize. I knew Shohei cards were hot, but I didn't know how hot they were until Saturday when I was on the other side of the, of the table. I would, I'm was blown away at how hot they were. I mean and, and Jeremy somebody, the person who bought the cards off of him was a dealer. You know, it was like dealers are buying show haze from other dealers at full retail. There was a dealer at the show today, so there's one of the handful of interactions I saw and he had a Shohei rookie priced at like it was raw. Priced at like 180. I think it was the heritage. And somebody said to him and remember there's, there's people everywhere. And somebody said to him the, the highest raw sale that I can find was like $120. And he said that's fine, I'm leaving it at 180. It'll sell. And another guy who was two people over said I'll take it. Yeah, yeah, it's, I've never seen anything like it. And I lived through Jose Canseco and Ken Griffey Jr. And Mark McGuire Olympic cards. I mean I just, it's just, it's just where we are right now is wild and vintage stuff. Vintage stuff is hot too, but not all vintage stuff. Not all vintage stuff is hot right now. And that's another thing that's been interesting. We're too late in the episode to go down that road, but there are a few vintage players that you can't give their cards away. And it's interesting to me. I mean all time greats, you can't give, give away Harmon Killebrew or Alkaline cards. You just can't. Like nobody wants them. And I'm like what are we doing? No, they don't have any stories. There's no history to those guys. There's nobody who talks about those guys anymore except us boring vintage YouTubers with bad lighting. With bad. Yeah, I've got terrible lighting work. I'm working on it. Nobody cares about those guys anymore except hardcore vintage collectors. And I still remember Mike Moynihan asking me on Bench clear media probably four years ago about guys who will sell 20 years in the future. And I said, well, certainly not Richie Ashburn. And I listed off all these guys that are like all time greats but just don't have the stories. And he was shocked. He's like, why won't they sell? And I said, because the reason that guys sell is, isn't because of their performance. It's because of the stories that come with those athletes. And if those guys don't have stories that have carried over decade after decade. This is why I've, I've gone with iconic cards and why I recommend iconic cards. They're. Everybody knows them. I want a collection where people will look at and go, yes, I love that card. I know that card. That is a great card. And those are iconic players who have iconic cards. Yeah, I mean, and, and your story part makes a lot of sense. I mean, Mo Berg cards have, have really gotten hot over the last few years. And that's not a new story. I mean, Mo, if you're not familiar, Moberg was a spy for the US government, but also a pro player who, on a Japanese tour overseas with the baseball team, he like scaled the building and took four photos of like Tokyo or something and shared them with the government. And they, they made like a movie about it. But there are stories like that that people aren't familiar with. I wasn't familiar with that story, you know, four or five years ago, to be honest with you. But then a movie comes out and it's like, whoa, that's cool. I want that guy's card. But you're right, people are more interested in Mo Berg cards than Herman Killebrew. And Harmon Killebrew had like 560 or 70 home runs or whatever. He had silly stories that have nothing to do with the player can cause a card to skyrocket. Remember The Mark Jackson 1990 NBA hoops card skyrocketed in like 2021 when a random YouTuber or Instagram guy discovered that the Menendez brothers were in the background of that card. And it went viral and that card skyrocketed. And it stayed valuable ever since then because people still talk about it to this day. Has nothing to do with Mark Jackson. It's the story of the card isn't. Isn't. Is it Sam Vincent who has a hoops card where Jordan is in the picture and it's one of the only cards or the only card with Jordan wearing that number or something, I believe. Yeah, yeah. Same year, 1990. Hoops. Michael Jordan. It's Sam Vincent, but Jordan's in the foreground. Yeah, he's like trying to get a rebound under the hoop. And yeah, his jersey had been stolen that day and he had to wear. I think it was number 12. Yeah, yeah. Very popular card. Yeah, it is interesting. And, and you're right, I mean, but you know, alkaline was like 19 when he won a batting title. He's other than Ty Cobb, the best Tiger who's ever probably played who. And it's a franchise. It's been around forever and still, still and great guy signed autographs forever, but his cards don't sell. And we did a video, I did a video on one of my live streams one time and the whole topic was hobby relevance. And we went through different players. Will this guy be hobby relevant? Will this guy be hobby relevant? And a lot of people gave me grief for that episode saying, oh, I'm not gonna buy any of that guy's cards. He's not hobby relevant. And I'm like, it probably. I shouldn't have said hobby relevant. Probably should have said investable instead of hobby relevant. Because they're sure, of course there are players, people that will collect those guys, of course. But as far as their long term value, the strength of the value and demand of those players is going to just continue to slowly erode. And you know, I used to go to card shows as a kid and they were. This is back in the circuit where there were they. All those guys from the golden era were signing all. I mean, I saw Sandy Koufax, Harmon Killebrew, Gaylord Perry, you know, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, just like show after. I saw those guys in person many, many times and their autograph was like 10 bucks. But I didn't for whatever reason get their autographs, but I saw those guys all the time. I'd sit there with my camera and I'd take pictures of them. I have pictures like, of me as a kid taking of these guys at shows and. And it was like, that's Al Kaline. But now it's like Al Kaline. You know, it's just slowly, in those 30 years, y. It's slowly just eroded, which is, you know, I guess they say after like three generations, nobody will Remember your existence. Unless you were. No, I'm serious. Like. Yeah, no. Do you know your great great grandparents? No, I only met my great grandmother one time when I was little. Never met my great grandfather. Never met my great grandparents on my mom's side. But what did your great great grandparents do for a living? Oh, man. Do you know my name? On my dad's side, My great great grandparents. Hang on. My. My great grandparents came over from Italy, and I. I think my. I don't know anything about my great great grandparents. Yeah, that's my point. Yeah. Is that wasn't that long ago, you know, it wasn't that long ago. Five generations ago. Well, not from you. Yeah, well, four generations. Parents, grandparents, great grandparents. Great, great. Right. Four generation. Four generations from you and don't even know anything about them. Don't even know their names. Don't even know their names. I was. I was saying to someone the other day, I was. I was like, I'm thinking about selling some of my hall of fame T206s. I love the portraits. Love the portraits. I think they're beautiful. And I. I like. I like things that are beautiful, but some of that's what I collect. Very unique. You like beautiful things? Well, when I talk about my cards and my card collecting. Yeah. The. The beauty of a card is a big piece of what I like. Anyways. I. I'm not even gonna go. I'm not even gonna take that bait. And there was all these cards I have on the wall I'm looking at in my case here of portraits. And then I have a few action shots. Now the action shot of Walter Johnson. I still want Ty Cobb. I still want Cy Young. I still want. But some of, like, the lesser hall of Famers. And so someone was like, well, you're thinking about selling, like, which players? And I'm like, well, like, you know, like the. The George Davis T206 card or the Vic Willis action shot. Who's Vic Willis? Who's George Davis? I'm like, I think you're helping me make my decision. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And this, you know, this is. People are going to say, well, you're only into investing, not collecting. But I'm into collecting cards of players I. I like or I've heard of. I don't want to collect the entire T206 set. I want to collect cards of players I've heard of, that I grew up hearing the stories of today. Was offered a Walter Johnson portrait. I'd love to have that card. That's a card I really want, but there are only a handful of T206s I want. Yeah, that's one of them. That's a beautiful card I got, I got mine about, I don't know, seven or eight months ago. I bought it off of Mr. Librich when he was clearing out some space for some other items. Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, we're 40 minutes in. As, as always, you were delightful to speak with and I, I do want to throw out a couple of things if anybody is still out there and I'm going to put it back on the screen if you're watching. I just want to remind everybody that we have been slowly, when we started this whole thing, we really only had a couple of shows. It was, it was me and you this surface issues. And then it had originally started with you doing another show that had a guest every week and then that kind of pivoted. But we've really expanded what we have on the channel and if you look on the website you can see the most recent one, which was a fabulous episode with Jake and Matt from Providence. Only 22 minutes long if I remember correctly. Yeah, I don't even know if it's that long. These extra innings episodes from some of the other guys in the community are usually about 20 minute episodes and they're super entertaining. If you're not watching them, you are missing out. If and as soon as you get a taste of those two guys, you're gonna want to listen to their full episodes on Jake's channel. Wax Pack Wisdom Again. Jeremy Lee has his show on Wednesdays. So as you're hearing this, that would be tomorrow. Wednesday they have the Hangover which is a blast. They've had three of those now. On Thursdays are a lot of our extra innings we've got on on Saturdays either Midlife Card Chase or this week in in Sports Cards, which you had with Teapot this past Saturday. That was a great episode. And then not to be forgotten by any means, our buddy Dylan, Double D and Adam are doing twice a month their turn Back the clock episodes. So what we're planning on doing soon is having a calendar feature up here that has some links to each thing. But we're really about five days a week if you are interested. There will be content from the sports card clubhouse about five days a week and you know, who knows where we go from here. But I just wanted to point out to people if you are only listening to surface issues, you're missing out on some good stuff. So check out those other ones. Check out the website and consider listening to some of the other shows as well. Yeah, a lot of cool stuff. I wish I had time to listen to everything. It's hard. But when I was doing lawn work yesterday, I was able to do a lot, which was great. I do want to say I heard Double D, Dylan won't be at the national, which is very sad. One of the. The people I'd love to see in person again. Yeah, he. He didn't go last year either. It's a long ways for Dylan where he lives, and I get it. I coincidentally was on the same flight as him from San Francisco to Cleveland for the 2024 National. I. I was sitting there waiting to board, and I look over and I got Rick's vintage Oddball cards is walking up. I got Dylan, Double D is walking up. We all ended up on the same flight. So, yes, disappointed for that. But. But one of my favorite listens each couple of weeks is Dylan and Adam. I love Turn Back the Clock. It's one of my things. Yeah. And that one seems to be picking up steam. Like, people have discovered Turn Back the Clock, and it's getting the last one. Got thousands of listens. Well over a thousand. Yeah. Which is awesome. So, yeah. Really thrilled about that. People should be listening to Turn Back the Clock. Yeah. Those two are great. All right, buddy. Another week down, and we continue to put our head down and pull the plow and looking forward to next week. And this Saturday will be a midlife car chase with myself and the one and only David Chase. Can't wait.