How a $500K Tom Brady Deal Went Wrong + A Record Gretzky Sale + Steve's Story Begins

Sports Cards Live. Yeah. Hobby Talk. Sports Cards Live here we come. This show bout to go. Jeremy Lee get it done. This hobby is a lifestyle bro. Y' all know this hobby is a lifestyle bro. Let's go. Best guests in the industry. You gonna see it tonight. We gon keep up with this energy at Sports Cards Live. Y' all know it's a lifestyle y' all know that we live now. Welcome to another episode of Sportscars Live with your host Jeremy Lee. What is up everybody? Welcome to episode number 316 of Sports Cards Live. It is Saturday night, June 13, 2026. My name is Jeremy Lee. A few quick announcements before we dive in. Fanatics Weekly Auction ending watch party is back tomorrow night here on the channel and this Thursday is the premiere show which myself and Adam Gray will be co hosting for the 61st month in a row. Join us back here tomorrow and Thursday for those shows. Guys, Leighton Sheldon not joining us tonight but he is acquiring vintage collections all the time. 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Are they going to force game six back in or is San Antonio going to Force Game 6 back in New York? What's going to happen Here. Are you following the game? Do you know what's going on? Yeah, I have. I mean, I know that it's 70 to 58 right now, and I know that Wemby prices are right now staying steady for another game, possibly. We'll see how that, how that turns out as the, as the series unfolds. What's going to happen there? It's interesting, this hobby. I mean, the hobby is always interesting, but it's really interesting to think that a player's cards and we never like, we've seen, we've seen these, these fluctuation, these real time fluctuations before, but to the, the magnitude that we're seeing it with like Wemby card and even Brunson cards right now, it's like 10x what they were. Well, Brunson, anyway. Wemby's been sky high for a while, but even higher now. It's really crazy. Not so much that they're selling for what they're selling for. I mean, that's of course crazy. But what happens if Wemby loses? This champ, this, this series doesn't win his first championship, is not the mvp. What happens to the cards after that? I don't know. I don't. I'm not gonna pretend, I'm not gonna say they're gonna, they're gonna tank. Are they going to go down a bit? Probably. The off season's upon us here in the week or so, so it's interesting to see. But this hobby is very, very touchy when it comes to the things they want the most, which are, you know, to collect cards and invest in cards of players who are doing all sorts of great. The guy's really an alien. He is. You watch him on the court. Like everyone. I'm. Whether it's my wife or my kids were watching, like that guy. It's crazy how big he is. So we'll see how it goes anytime he stays healthy. Yeah, that's the thing too. I hope he stays healthy as well. We got a fun show tonight, guys. We have, and I apologize. We started half an hour later than usual here on Saturday night. I had some family things to do today. We have the basketball game still going. I was hoping it would be over by time we went live, but nope, there's still a quarter to go. So hopefully some of you guys are with us watching us watching the game at the same time or you're taking this in a little bit later. David, before I talk about and share and we talk about a big card sale that I wanted to highlight Because I found it to be interesting. I want to hear about the card show that you went to today. Just, yeah, kind of quickly like you went to a card show. Tell us about it. What were the vibes like in the room? Yeah, I went to a show called LA Card show and it is the hipster of hipster shows. This is not your grandfather's baseball card show. It had 700 tables. It's big. This promoter like is going around, he's had him at, in la like a very famous theaters called the Mayan Theater. I went to a show there once at Dodger Stadium. He's had it at the Intuit Dome where like the Clippers play. And now he's. This is the biggest one that they've end up doing at, at the LA Convention Center. They have. It's like a small fanatics fest. Like the LA Kings are there where you can like shoot, you can try to hit a puck, you can shoot baskets and try to win shirts from the Clippers. There's like four DJ booths around. That's pounding music as you're walking around. I mean you expect there to be like a dude giving tattoos in the corner, but there isn't. But that's the kind of vibe that you end up getting. I brought my 8 year old. It wouldn't be a show that I'd go to on my own, but he loved it. They treat kids so nicely. I mean, I'm telling you, the average age of like the dealers there and the people walking around are probably in their early 20s. It's great for young people to get into the hobby. And I mean it's also great for young people that are buying and selling $5,000 Pokemon cards because I saw a lot of them there. How much of it was Pokemon versus sport? I'd say like seven. I mean it was 99% very modern sport in Pokemon. And I would say that Pokemon was probably 70%. Okay, okay. So 70% Pokemon is kind of low for a show like that. So I'm glad that I'm encouraged that you had 30% sports. You know, they had a funny tagline for it. It was from Mamba to me. From Mamba to Mewtwo or something like that. Right. Like Kobe to like Pokemon was their tagline. It was very. I mean it was a cool show. You expect the promoters to have like sleeve tattoos and things like that. It was, it was fun. And I mean, man, these DJs are pumping music and you know, it's just, it's a new kind of show that's great for people that are coming into the hobby. That can make it look kind of cool, you know, it was very la. That's awesome. Well, good. And you had. You had to take your son. Yeah, I took my son. There's nothing that I would ever buy there. But I mean, you know, they were so nice to kids. There's lots of dollar boxes. I always give him like 20 bucks and he just like, all right, buy whatever you want. He, like, goes into dollar boxes and buys like, you know, a LeBron James card at one place and then a Pokemon card at another. And it's just super cute to watch him interact with dealers and try to negotiate and they end up giving him free stuff. Like every time. I mean, he literally on. I think he spent $11, ends up getting like six packs, two T shirts, you know, a stack of cards this big for 11. Because everyone's just giving little kids things. It is. It makes you feel good about the hobby. Oh, well, what I'm telling you, that really makes me think of something. The nationals coming up. I can't wait for you to give me $20 to walk around and buy things at this show. Let's say hello to Carl from Oz is at a pub in Melbourne, Australia, watching the game. What is up, Carl? Welcome to the show. We got Double O cards guy. My guy, Jesse. What's up, buddy? Confluence is here with us. Hello, Hello. Bill Betts. Good evening to you. Yankees fan. We got Yankees fan. We got Jeff McMahon. Hello, Jeff McMahon. Sorry if I didn't put all these comments on the screen. Lonely basement. What's going on? Chad Shipper. What's happening, buddy? Found treasures. David Cooey is with us. We got Orlando from a collector's room. There's Michael Stone. Hey, I remembered. What's up, Michael? Good to see you, buddy. Clay Phillips. Good evening. Desert Shield Sniper is joining us from Hong Kong. What's up, Desert bw? Good evening to you. Rob Star is here. Mike Double V says live from Calgary, it's Saturday night. Laura. Good evening, Laura. Well, good to see you. I had. Oh, gosh. Hold on a second, guys. Hold on a second. I have to go to a comment. I. Here it is. Ken Wood says, Jeremy, thank you for doing these shows. My mom passed away on Friday morning. Guys, that's yesterday. And tonight's show is going to help me get past this rough time. Well, Ken Wood, sincere condolences from myself from. From the Sports Cards Live family, the crew here. I'm. I see the chat. Wishing you condolences. And it. It It. It's. It's. I don't know. It's weird to. To say that. I'm happy to go live tonight to help you deal with this time, man. Sincere condolences. Not easy, but, uh, hopefully we can put some smiles and laughs on your. On your face here tonight. And all the best to your whole family as you guys go through what you're going through. Lonely basement. Good evening to you. Chad Shipper found. Okay, we did these. We did all those. Let me go to the ones we. We hadn't done yet. Ken Fickle. Foul ball. Good evening. Foul ball. Ken Fickle. Good evening to you, Ben. Good evening to Ben. Mala e Young is with us. Larry Gitlin. Good evening. Or should I say good late night? Absolutely. Jayhawker. What's going on? For the game, we got Jacob Dahl. We got on Card Sports as Sports Cars Live is GEM Mint 10. Hey, we'll take it. I just hope you can. I. I hope we are good enough for you to be able to grade consistently and give us a 10 every time. E105. What's going on? The cardboard corner. Good evening to you as well. What else? Oh, okay. Yeah. Lots of condolences, guys. Thank you for that. Let's everyone please, please send Ken some kind words here. That's not easy. And what an honor it is to have him here with us tonight for the show. Thanks, everybody, for doing that. That's very, very kind. All right, well, David, there was a card that sold on ebay. It was on a Slab Sharks auction. I am a consignment director for Slab Sharks in Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan, three of the prairie provinces here in Canada, north of, like, Montana and North Dakota and whatever is in between those two states. If there is something at the northern border, you know, I'm not sure. Is there anything between Montana and North Dakota on the north. At the north. We don't pay attention to those states. Here in the United States. You don't even know what's. You don't even know what's up there, do you? No offense, our friends living in those states. Please, no offense to any of them. They don't have Internet there. Jeremy, we're fine. Don't worry. We're good. We're good. Yeah. You're good. Okay, so there was a card that sold. And I'll show. Actually, I'll just show the card. I'll show the card in the price. Here's the card that sold. This is a 2004 upper deck ultimate collection. Gordie Howe and Wayne Gretzky. Dual Patch Auto numbered out of three copies. It's number two of three. You see a beautiful, two beautiful patches. The, the Red Wings Gordie Howe patches, two color. The Wayne Gretzky Oilers patch is two color with orange and blue. I can make the card a bit bigger. There you go. You can. A better look at the patches there. It's a two color. They're both two colors. The autographs look great. It's a beautiful card. It sells for $170,400 Canadian, which is about 120 USD. Big amount. So what I want to say was when I saw this cart slop, Sharks announced this card was going live like a month before they listed it. They had a whole, they had a crazy collection of Gretzky Autos patches, multi autos with other players, and they saved this one for, I think, the last week of this particular consigner's collection. When I saw it, I was like, my gosh, I want that card. That card is something I need in my collection. I started thinking about, how could I, how could I, how could I whip up, I don't know, 30, 40, maybe 50, 000 Canadian dollars? I was thinking to myself, you know, on the outside chance of it being 60, I was like, do I have cards that I could, that I could sell to, to buy this card, that I'd be okay with that transaction? And then I, I talked to the, the president of Slab Sharks. I said, what do you think that's gonna go for? And he's like, I don't know, maybe 150. I'm like, what? No way. 150? Are you crazy? And he's like, well, I've talked to a couple people and that's kind of the consensus is that there's a few people that think it's going to go for that. I'm like, okay, I don't know about that. So I'm thinking to myself, can I, can I take a stab at this for like a max of 60,000? And of course it would have to be with card capital. I don't have 60 grand to put into a card like that. So anyway, the auction goes and within, like I bid early, I think I bid 20, 25k early on to get in there. And within like two days of it being live, it's a six. It's over 60 grand. I'm like, okay, okay. Maybe Karn from Slab Sharks was right. I'm out. I think it was at like, I don't know, 80 or $90,000 at the day of, maybe hit 100 grand the morning of and and then I like a dummy, I, I forgot about it at the ending time. I got distracted and I was like oh, someone texted. I forget who was. Someone text me. They go did you see what the card sold for? I'm like no, I totally forgot what it go for. They're like like 170 or something. Like come on. Anyway, listen, it's a great card. I and if you look at the bid history here and I'll show it to you guys, there's like one, two, like how many people bid over 150 Canadian? We have one, we have this guy at 547, 256, 109. So three guys each bid over a hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That's strong. You have this, you have another couple guys over a hundred. We'll see several over a hundred. So the card had huge demand. It's an amazing card. And Slap Sharks has actually since come out and said that the buyer is a repeat customer and they're working with them on payment plan or whatever that is. So it's going to be paid for, which is just really cool. That, that. So I guess my point in all this is this is the biggest auto patch sale, I think like dual auto patch sale in the history of hockey cards. It's a, it's the biggest sale in several different ways. You can look at it. So I don't know, I mean, what does this say? Like this is. It seems to me like some hockey cards are starting to knock on the doorstep of what some non hockey cards sell for, whether it be basketball, baseball or football. I mean we're not getting into the million dollar NFL shields like we see Josh Allen and Wemby sell for, but it's a pretty healthy sale here that I was, you know, kind of nice to see. On the other hand, I can't go buy another copy of this. There's three out there. They've all been, they've all images of all three have been shared recently. They've all been located and put in a slide together somewhere on Instagram and it's pretty cool, but it's maybe the best hockey auto patch of all time. David, what are your initial thoughts on this, buddy? I mean I think it's a nice patch. I mean for how these patches go, I, I'm not really able to tell the difference between a $30,000 and a $170,000 one of these. So if Gretzky was a king, this would go for way less, right? I Think so. If that was LA Kings or a New York Rangers piece, it would definitely go for less. There is something very alluring to collectors to have him in the Oilers piece with an Oilers memorabilia, but especially logo or a, or a name patch or a number piece like we're seeing there. That is from one of those three patches on, on the jersey. I'm not sure which one, but it's the fact that it's two color. Now, if there was some white on that as well, I don't know, that would have sold for more, but the card would be that much more interesting. And if you took, if you take that Gordie Howe patch and you move it like a centimeter to the right, which is about a fourth of an inch, whatever that is, you move that to the right a little bit, it's, it would be even more interesting. But it is what it is. You can't go back and change it. So it's, it's, it's incredible, though. And sometimes I notice that the patches that just have one player on it go for more than both, than two players. Now these two are, are tied together. If this was a larger Gretzky patch, that was a better patch. You think this would go for more money without Gordie Howe? Yeah. Interesting question, because I own a card such as that, and I was thinking to myself after I saw this, I'm like, well, then, you know, which is, I think, natural for some of us to do is, well, if this sold for that, what would my card be worth? And they're different cards. My card's completely different. It's. The card I'm talking about is five years younger than this card. It's the exquisite RPA out of 25. So this, there's only three copies that there's 25, but it's a three color patch. It's a Gretzky only card. It's a bigger patch. It's a beautiful card as well. I, I don't know what that card would sell for right now. Would it sell for more than this? I'll tell you what, I wouldn't sell it for that. I would not let my Gretzky card go for that number there. I think my, I think that it's a. I think it's eventually going to be worth more. Plus, it's one of two Gretzky cards I own that, like, I feel are so core to my collection that, like, listen, I'm not one of these guys that, that's, that will say, you know, they're not that that no money buys my cards. Guys, I have a family. Like, someone wants to offer me an obscene amount of money for any car to my collection. It's probably going to be able to be bought, but you'd have to. You'd have to pay me a lot. For example, I. On my new PC account on Instagram, J. Lee underscore cards. I've had a couple people reach out trying to buy those cards for me. It says very clearly in the Ohio, these are personal collection cards, not for sale. I think it says, like, most will stay with me and for the next 25 years kind of thing. Somebody reached out and they said, hey, can I buy your Hank Aaron card from you? I said, oh. He goes. He said something like. He said, what? What amount of money? Like, any price. What. What. How much would it cost to buy your Hank Aaron card? Like, just give me any price. Because he could tell, like, he's like, I. I assume you don't want to sell it. I said, well, yeah, you're not gonna be able to buy it, but if you want any price, now it's a PSA6. The comps are recently, like, 10 to 12 grand. I said, okay. Since I said, you know, no, it's not for sale. I said, you. You won't buy it for what I. What I want for it or what I would let it go for. But since you asked any price, $25,000 buys it. I'm basically saying, go away. It's not for sale. So he write. He responds, and he says, can I get a more reasonable price? I wrote back and said, no, you cannot. No, no, you cannot have a more reasonable price. I am not going to put a reasonable price on this card. So, you know, just one of. One of those things. Right? But wait, Jeremy, can I hear your price on your Gretzky Auto? What's the unreasonable price on that that you would sell it for? Well, yeah, it's a fun question, right? What would I. I'll show you the card just so you can see what we're talking about. And to anybody listening and not watching, it is a 2009 upper deck, exquisite Gretzky Rookie Patch Auto Tribute, and, you know, a bunch of people. I've posted it before, but it's this card right here. It's one of 25 copies. It's. It has among the nicest autos and patches I've seen of the 25. Wow. It's the closest thing he'll ever have to a. An RPA, even though it came out, like, 30 years later. It's so. It clearly isn't an RPA, but I have. I'm on low battery mode right here. But yeah, it's. To me, it's. You know, he has a cup tribute that's in the. In the design of the 0506 cup, the inaugural year. But it's LA Kings. It's an amazing card, but it's LA Kings. This is Oilers three patch game use all that. So I think this card would reasonably sell at auction right now for. Well based. Even with this sale, somewhere around 100 grand, maybe something like that. My price, I don't even know if I'd let it go for a quarter million dollars. Oh, I love it. I don't. I don't know if I would. I mean, I'd need a. I'd need a. Like a. Like a money order in hand sort of thing. And even then, I don't know that I would like, you know, did your increase based on this sale? I think maybe a little bit. I think I would have said maybe it would sell for 75. Now I'm gonna say, you know, maybe it's 100, but I think it's probably even more than that. At auction, 500 grand buys the card. I'm not 500 grand. You can have the card. But I mean, listen, that's me saying, go away. It's not for sale. That's not me asking 500 grand for me for it. That's me saying, guys, not for sale. You know, like, you want it, I'll put a price on it. But you're gonna laugh at me because. But I'm laughing at you because you can't have it. So go find another. Right? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Go find another one. Jeremy from California has joined us. What's going on, Jeremy? Thanks for sending Ken the nice message. Fargo. Collector's World. Fargo says there's nothing between North Dakota, Montana. I didn't think so. I didn't think so. Thank you for that. We knew that. We knew that. Josh says from 90s auctions, one of the. One of the car. One of the three cards of this actually does have the Gordie Howe and the Wayne Gretzky patch swapped out upside down. Only one. The other two do not. Especially this one. BW says raw. Glad you'd be surprised how many cards are raw, guys. Like, I have all my auto patches except for the ones I bought that are in slabbed. Are. Are raw. Actually, I showed you my Gretzky. I have the Mario Lemieux from that set, too. It Came slabbed. I bought it slabbed. I cracked it. It's now raw because all my auto patches, except a couple still. So like 95 of them are raw. And that's just how I like them. I want them all like that. So the real Mike Petty. What's going on, buddy? Got a bill from the U.S. postal Service today for a cardia delivered from Canada two weeks ago. They consume me. Yeah, let them come after you. What's up, Kinger? Welcome to the show. Good to see you, buddy. Jacob Dahl says. So now, how much jersey pieces do upper deck have left to make Gretzky game use? Well, apparently, I think. I think that it did. Maybe. Maybe they've acquired a new Gretzky jersey. But it won't be Oilers. It won't be Oilers. It would be like all Star Game or something like that. So we'll have to see what. What happens with that Yankees fan. Appreciate that. Jeff Will says you could have told that idiot 10k and he would have wanted it lower for my Hank Aaron. Yeah, it's a very nice card for the grade and just a nice card overall in general, but okay. The other thing I want to show you on this Gretzky how card, guys, this one's okay. These sold just two days ago. Okay, this one sold for 170, 000. Here's. I'm going to show you another Gretzky Gordie Howe Dual Patch Auto that sold the same night. Look at this. Gretzky Howe Dual Patch auto sells for 13,000 Canadian dollars. This one did about 15 times that amount. Now, this is a very pretty card. You got reds, you got blues, you got the background colors. You got the orange, you got white, you got gold. Only three copies. There's five copies of this. The autograph, and I'm showing a 2006. The cup scripted swatches duel of Gretzky and Howe numbered out of five. The patches are very plain. Gordie Howe signs blue on white. Wayne Gretzky signs black on gray. There's no. This is a monochrome card. Even Gordie Howe is in black and white. There's no color on this card. Still a very cool card. But how do you explain or reconcile the difference between 13,000 for this one and 170,000 for this one? Is it just aesthetics? There's only two fewer copies of this than this. This card is two years younger. The. The dual cup is two years younger than the Dual ultimate here. So a few different things going on. And then just for some more context, guys, here's A triple auto. Those two guys plus Bobby Orr sold for 8, 200. Beautiful card. Opici Premiere. Nice colorful card. Here's another one. Eight thousand dollars plus you get an autograph of Bobby Orr. Eight grand for three autos of this. There's 35 copies though this card out of three dual patch auto, one hundred and seventy thousand dollars. Here's a dual auto of the two of them, five thousand three hundred. Here's another of the two of them, 4, 600. And here's another duel of the two of them. $4,300. 170, 000 for this card. But you only, you were thinking of this card and you were putting bids on there and the other ones were not on your radar, right? I. There were. Well, I wouldn't say they were. The two that were on my radar were this one and this one. I love these Opici Premier triples from the the mid to late oos. I think they're beautiful. And the autos, whoever owned this card, whoever this consigner was, did it right. He kept his cards out of the sun, out of the light. Those autographs are as bright and full as they. As they were when they came out of the packs. So I, But I'm just. Yeah, I don't. I'm not a big autograph only collector, so I'm okay. I. Yeah, but there was. I recently picked up a dual autograph of. Of ore and how for under a thousand. Maybe it was a thousand at the. Now at the Expo. I picked it up for like a thousand bucks. I have a few Gretzky autos. I don't need the three together. It's. I'm okay. But it would have been good to add one of these for the right price. But I couldn't get it for a price I wanted. They went more expensive. Totally. And this might be a stupid question, but is there any chance that the jersey on your card is the same as that double patch card? Could it be the same jersey? Yeah, I would. I would think it's actually highly likely that they're from the same jersey. I think upper deck had maybe one ever Oilers gamer and I think that they made it last. And if you just look at the, the stitching, the material, it does look a lot like mine. The same sort of patch. I don't know for a fact, but it's. I'm sure there's experts out there who would say that that is the case. So what's going on the basketball game? Just gonna look at the score here. There are closer it's closer. It looks like it's a four point lead for the spurs with just over six minutes left. Michael Stone. Those triples are on card. They are on card. Mickey Mental wants a dual auto of Jalen Brunson and Jalen Brunson. I don't know if that's a. If that's kind of a. I don't know if there's any irony in that. Mickey Minto, because Upper Deck did and has made cards of certain players or those players have signed the cards twice. Sidney Crosby is, I think, most famous for it. He's done a couple that way, but that was because Crosby would. Would not sign for the first, like 20 years of his career. He would not sign a card with any other player. I think in about 20, 10 or 11, upper deck got him to sign some cards, but he would only do them with Mario Lemieux. Since then, he's done a couple, I think three or four different cards with Connor McDavid, and I think he's even done maybe one or two with yogurt. I'm not 100 certain on that. I. But. But I'm sure people could, could let us know. So. Yeah. Jeremy, are there ever like, like a Gretzky where it has like two different team patches on the same card for, for the same player? Yes. Yes. Okay. Well, great question. David Chase here there in. I think it was 2000, and I forget what year it was. One or two upper deck did the Wayne Gretzky master collection. And in there, not only with two, with more than one team, they have auto patches. And one just sold on Slap Sharks last week. I believe they're out of nine. There's two versions, the Canadian and the US Version. You get patches from the Oilers, the, the LA Kings, the New York Rangers, and All Star. And there's a, there's a. Actually, I. I'll show you. Okay. They're out of nine, and there's autos on some of them. And I forget what one just sold for, but it was, you know, I forget Exactly. Call it 60, $70,000. Maybe in there they also did a jersey autograph version. One just sold the other for 30 grand, I think the other night. And then I picked up not too long ago. I always want one, the simple jersey card. This is numbered out of 99. It happens to be 66 and 99, which is Mario Lemieux number for fun. But you see, he's in a Rangers uniform. But you've got Oilers, Kings, Rangers, and an All Star piece. So it's A quad jersey of Gretzky from that master collection. I mean, you just pulled that out like it was nothing. You just are like, oh, here it is right here. I have so. Well, I bought it, like, two weeks ago. I have some of my most recent just pickups that are sitting on my desk that I'm not ready to yet put into their boxes. I still like flipping through them. And that's one of my most recent, you know, delivered car. Now we have a guest, Steve coming on. Steve, I don't know if you can hear me right now, but I'm seeing that I can't bring you on the stage. You. You're Dev. I see you there. But your dev says you will need to connect your mic or cam before I can add you to the show. So, Steve, if you could please hook yourself up so we can get you in on the show. Otherwise, we're gonna have a quick show tonight, guys. We're gonna have to call in the backup soon. If Steve. If Steve doesn't get. Get his connection figured out. I'm not sure if he can see or hear me right now. Oh, there's my buddy. Mo says that so the32,000 Canadian that mo is shouting out, that is for the Jersey auto. So you take the card I have that I just showed you. You add. I think I paid 900 bucks for it. You add an autograph to that $30,000. Now I can go buy a Wayne Gretzky auto for under a grand. I can buy a Gretzky jersey card for well under a grand. Sometimes under 100. You can buy some for 100 bucks. Put those together, you have a. Well, you can't. But, you know, it's like, I could have a Jersey card here, an auto card here. Total outlay. You could get them for, like, under 500 bucks. You could probably do that, but as soon as you want to put them together. And it comes from Master Collection, which is a very reputable brand. You're 32 grand like Mo says. Yeah, man. Cards says here, Eric, those back pages. Where are the blues patches? Eric? I don't know if upper deck ever had a Gretzky blues patch. Let's keep in mind, too, he only played, like, 30 games for them, so just hard to tell how many. I see it now. Steve, we'll bring up in just a minute. Hard to tell how many. You know, if they ever. How many jerseys even use. Never mind if upper deck could get one. So. Yeah, but here E. Young says, nothing is nicer than chunky patch with Stitching. I could not agree more. Love it. Brian says the spurs could be in the middle of another choke. Let's just get a quick Update here. Oh, three point lead with five minutes left. this point, I'm, I'm picking the Knicks to win tonight. That's just the way the spurs seem to go. They seem to peter out towards the end of the game here. So that might be what is happening. Kinger says. Jeremy, may I very, very kindly ask, but do you really want a dual auto patch shared with Gretzky? I think I would almost rather have a Gretzky Crosby duel if I had to choose similar to Jordan Kinger. Honestly, no. I would be, I think Gretzky how makes the most sense. Gretzky Lemieux maybe makes the second most sense for me. I think both of those make more sense than Gretzky Crosby. I would love a Gretzky Crosby. I own a Gretzky Messier makes sense. They both played for the Rangers. So, so I appreciate the question, Kinger, but I love dual patch autos. I have a collection of them. I have a collection like this thick of dual patch autos and I love them a lot. But they have to make sense to me. If they don't make sense, like if upper deck is just putting on two guys who both wore number 20, but one guy was a goalie in the Eastern Conference from Scandinavian, other guy was a defensive from the Western Conference, from Canada, the States. Like it doesn't make sense. They're just putting them together because they wore the same jersey number. Not good enough for me. Not good enough for me. I have to have a reason. Go ahead, David. And you weren't, you know, you almost just spent a lot of money on that card that ends up going for much higher. You weren't in on that Gretzky multi team card because that sounds really cool. Not the one, not the one of 32 grand. I, I, I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a Jersey auto. A patch auto I would not a Jersey auto. All right, I'm gonna go through the comments and we're gonna bring Steve on. Jeremy from California says Steve has stage fright. I would too. Jay Lee and Mr. Chase. Josh says nobody wants blues. Sorry, Eric. Oh, my cam calls out Jordan Gretzky, Tiger Woods. Absolutely. Ham and how. Always good to see you, buddy. Okay, David, we're gonna bring out Steve Pocklington, diamond card collector. He goes by Pock. We're gonna bring him out. I'm glad you think so, Kinger. Thank you very much. Steve, give me a thumbs up if you're ready to join us. All right? He is, guys. Please welcome Steve to the show. Steve, welcome. How are you, buddy? Great. How are you doing? Doing good, David, please welcome him. Welcome, Steve. Welcome to the show. Good to see you, sir. How you doing, David? Jeremy, thanks for the invite. Oh, you bet. It's good to have you on. So let's talk about that invite. Let's talk about the invite. Steve, I am familiar with your story. You have a. You have a story that is. It's got drama, it's got crime, it's got intrigue, it's got mystery, and it's not over yet. You were, I mean, for all intents and purposes, scammed out of close to half a million dollars on the purchase of a major Tom Brady card. You are a major Tom Brady collector. You went through it. You then were. You were bothered. You. You. You were. You were questioning your place in the hobby, and you went off of Instagram for a while, and that's when you made a post a couple days ago, earlier this past week. It was that post that made me think, man, I got to get in touch with this guy. You basically said, I'm back after a couple months off, and I have a new mindset, a new approach, a new lease on the hobby. And the word that really resonated with me there, Steve, was mindset, because mindset's a big part of the way I like to talk about the hobby, create content around it. Even built the hobby spectrum platform around the concept of mindsets in the hobby. So it was that word that really stuck with me, and I'm like, let's talk about what goes on. How does somebody come back from an experience like that and re. Embrace the hobby? So let's just launch off from there and tell us about what happened. Like, were you really scammed out of a half a million dollars? What is the story there? Tell it. Definitely. So back, I guess this has been over a year now. And a gentleman that I actually. Not a gentleman. A guy who I purchased quite a few Brady cards from the pat in the past from. I mean, we did close to seven figures in business prior to this incident. So I had built trust. And before that, I had people from auction houses giving the thumbs up. This guy's good. I had, you know, people in the hobby doing the same thing. He's in. He was in my. You know, the groups I was in. So I didn't, you know, I never thought anything of it. He. He knew my. My want list I guess you could say and started asking questions and one day he, he basically said I can get you the. I know where the 2012 Tom Brady Black finite is and if it obviously I, you know, couldn't contain myself. And that was, that was honestly where I, where I went wrong first because I, I shut down the, My rational thinking and uh, the process that I would normally go through for a card for especially of that magnitude. It. I mean I sold some really big cards to get this because at the time some other enormous Tom Brady cards became available. The 2014 Flawless Patch Auto and then this at the same time. So for me, I, I chose at the time to sell the 2018 Tom Brady Green Kaboom actually, which is now. Yeah. And so I sold that in order to, you know, make this transaction along with a bunch of other Brady rookies at the time that I'd really like to have back right now. Let me just. Yeah. Say that I wired. So I actually had one of the funding gentlemen helping me out. He was doing. Sending a partial. I was sending a partial. It was obviously a big. It was. The price was 650000 that we agreed on and somewhere along the way the wharf accidentally we. We sent a hundred thousand dollars. The. This guy just kept like changing up the payment process a million times. So we sent it. We had to cancel it. Long story short, this hundred thousand dollars at the is. Is part of the 477. I know I'm bouncing around here. That's okay, take your time. But I went to the bank, I made my wires Wharf sends his. He was supposed to go and ship this package, mind you, I got a picture of the card which later looking at it, I feel like an imbecile. You know, when you looked closer it was just like the obvious. It was obviously AI you know, especially when. When Spino immediately pointed out a few things and I was just like, I'm usually somebody who, who can capture like a. That small detail, but I again, I, I had shut down the, the thought process on it and or the rational thinking spent all this money, you know, hey, the last part, you can get it when you arrive. That's. We had what we had agreed on and again I had accidentally sent an extra 100 because it was only supposed to be around half at first. So. Hold on, stop right there for a sec, Steve. Let's just, let's just, let's just take a break for a moment here. Go ahead. There's people listening saying how do you accidentally send a hundred thousand dollars which Is. Which is fine. But listen, it ties into what you were saying before you shut down. Not that you shut it down, but the rational part of your brain shut down. Let's, let's dive into that a little bit. What was it that shut it down? Was it the opportunity to acquire a car that you thought was maybe never going to be found? Maybe it's buried away for life. Is this a card that you had at the top of the Tom Brady mountain? This was the number one card you wanted out of anything. And the chance to get it just overwhelmed your rational brain. And, and it's not like you, because you're not. You're no dummy. Right. Like you. It's almost like you were hypnotized, I feel like, and you had no way to be rational and to cross your T's and dot your eyes. And so like, what's that phenomenon? Like, especially at the magnitude of agreeing to purchase a card for $650,000. Like, did you remember to feed your kids that day? Did you remember, you know, like how. Like tell us a bit about the, the psychological activity in your brain going on when you're going through this, you know, planning this transaction and thinking it through. Definitely. I mean it. I will say it happened obviously pretty quick. And yes, exactly what you said. And I had that. I've had cards taken out from under me many and many a times I've had. And so it was that paranoia. And to be honest with you, I was like, I'm not letting this card slide no matter what. I don't want to ask anybody, you know, because of. Again, I've. I have been. This, this is just the biggest time I've been ripped off. This isn't the only time I've been ripped off, sadly, which is why again, I, I work with specific people now and to kind of middleman or meet myself. But yeah, going back to that, how I accidentally sent a hundred thousand dollars was the guy directed us in a way to send it and then said that this specific account wasn't active and asked us to. To reverse it. So we reversed it and then a week later it re. Reversed. I don't understand it. We're, you know. But ultimately the funds were taken out immediately, supposedly is what we were being told. Okay, but. And then the other 300 was part of the deal. Bruce had shipped the card. Who's. Bruce is. Bruce from the wharf is brew. And I know he, Bruce Feldman is the, the one who, who scammed me. There were a couple of comments here. 90s auctions what is the scammer's name? Just so others don't get taken by this scumbag. And Chris C. Says, yeah, we need name if possible. So you're willing to share that here? I don't know. Coach Neil says name him. Guys, I'll say one thing like, like, you know, even, like, name him. I appreciate it, Coach Neil, but that's totally up to Steve. He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to there. And you guys don't know if there's. You don't. We don't know how dangerous this guy might be. We don't know if there's any legal issues going on. So I. I don't really think we should say name him, but I think Steve's going to anywhere. He already has. So let's make sure you're as clear as you want to be. Is there anything like. Like, go ahead and just. I appreciate it. Yeah, I apologize. I get. It's still an emotional topic, even though I've kind of, you know, again, like I've said, I've moved forward, and right now it's just a slow battle. And that's just. It's. It's. I can't tell you how anger, you know, angry or. So, yeah, Bruce. Bruce Feldman was his name. He's. He's on Instagram. He's still active. That's part of. Was part of my frustration for a long time too. I still have people contact me defending this guy, and it's. It's like I. I obviously got scammed. He sent me an AI card. He. He lied to me for multiple days about shipping this package. Then when he finally shipped it, he, like, set up this whole thing to make it look like FedEx. Somebody at FedEx cut the box open and took the card. You know, and then there's just. There's so much evidence other than that leading again against them. I'm not gonna totally get into all this stuff, but it's absolutely 100. This guy used AI, took this money, convinced, sent me nothing through the mail, said that he had insurance on it, lied about all that crap, you know, gave me some fake FedEx insurance number, you know, just. Okay, so. 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