Interview With Jared Seto On Setting Up At A Card Show For The First Time (Plus ROI On Ripping Wax Vs. Entering Breaks); Are You On The New Mantle Platform?

You're listening to Cards to the Moon, a podcast about trading cards from both a collector and investor perspective. We hope you'll stick around for the ride as we take a deep dive into the state of the hobby, share some hot takes, hopefully some useful advice and fun stories along the way. Welcome back to another edition of Cards to the Moon. My name is Clark from 5cardguys.com and 5cardguys on Instagram and on YouTube. I'm doing the intro solo today, but we do have a special guest on the pod later in this episode. His name is Jared Seto. He's a friend of the podcast and a local hobby friend here in Toronto. It was great catching up with him at the Sport Card Expo in November where you'll hear him in the interview later that he was set up as a dealer this time instead of walking around the card show like the rest of us. So we thought it would actually be cool to have him on the pod to talk about his experience setting up for the first time and what that was like, any tips he could give for those looking to set up at their local card show in the future, pros and cons, that kind of thing. And you'll hear that Jared also likes to rip wax like the rest of us as well as enter into breaks. So we also talked about what he likes better and what has given him the best ROI to date. I think you guys will enjoy that part of the conversation as well. But before we play the interview, I just discovered this new platform called Mantle. Some of you may have already heard about it or even been on it already. They also just released an app but they do have a website which is onmantle.com and I think it just runs much more smoothly in my opinion. I've literally just been exploring the platform over the last two days so I won't talk much about it here right now. But if you're on it, please add me. It's the same handle, 5cardguys, the number spelled out, all one word. And so far I'm honestly just posting some of the stuff that I've put in my newsletter and I've already gotten some engagement from the users that are already on the platform, including from Evan Parker. He's the CEO of Mantle. So that's kind of cool that he's doing his part in trying to get this platform going. And there's also Alexis Ohanian. He's the founder of Reddit. You might have recognized his name. He's also a backer of this site and platform and he's liked one of my posts already as well. It seems he's engaged on the platform which is cool to see. Anyway, I'll circle back on this when I'm on it for a little longer and then I'll do a proper review. Maybe we'll get Evan himself on the podcast for a future episode. But so far so good. I like the interactivity and I like that it seems to be a dedicated site for hobbyists to connect. But the big question is whether collectors will leave other more popular platforms like X or Instagram for Mantle. So we'll see how that plays out. Okay, one more thing. This year is wrapping up quickly with a few more episodes left in 2024. Three more to be exact. Don't worry, we have everything scheduled for the remainder of our regular published dates. So be sure to check out the podcast even during your busy holiday season. And as always, we love hearing back from you. And we're already looking ahead to 2025. We got some really cool stuff planned and I'm excited to share more information with you guys in the new year. And one more plug for the free newsletter at 5cardguys.substack.com if you haven't subscribed already. We're now publishing weekly if you didn't hear. So you can connect with us there as well. And if you didn't catch all that, don't worry, all the links are below in the show notes. All right, without further ado, here's the interview we had with Jared Seto. All right, we got another special guest on the pod today. His name is Jared Seto. You can find him on Instagram at Jared's Cards. He's no stranger to us here at Cards to the Moon because he's from our hometown of Toronto and he's ripped with us before in Hyung Studio. That was a while ago, but we've definitely met in person. Chrome, right? Yeah, always tops Chrome. And it's always good to catch up with Jared and see what he's ripping these days. Most recently, we actually saw him just a few weeks ago at the Sport Card Expo where usually we're both on the move looking for deals at different booths. But this time, Jared was on the other side of the booth selling his cards. So we'll definitely ask him about that experience. But without further ado, Jared, welcome to the show. Thanks, Clark. Yeah, I'm happy to be on and thanks for the opportunity. Yeah, no, it's awesome to have you. I know we tried to get you on before, but timing hasn't worked out. But I'm glad we could do it now. And before we get into details of you setting up at the expo and what that was like, let's start from the beginning. Can you tell us more about yourself as a collector? What got you into collecting? And yeah, what did you like to collect then? And what do you like to collect now? I mean, probably the stereotypical story. I used to collect as a kid. Earliest recollection of sets was 1988 tops, 89 tops in that era. So I remember fond family memories, road trips to Buffalo. I had Price Club back then before Costco existed. And then we would always make a trip to Walden Gallery or one of the flea markets. And my parents would spring for baseball cards. My brother and I would collect those. And that kind of got me into the hobby. I collected pretty consistently up until probably the late 90s. And then once the university and girls come, they kind of forget about it all. Then I kind of fell back into it during COVID. Okay, so yeah, similar story. Definitely similar story. And well, when you got back into it during COVID, like a lot of people did, what brought you back in? Was there something that you saw online? Or did you just feel nostalgic about it? What got you back in? I think, well, I was always into sports. And in one of our fantasy sports leagues, we have a chat. Someone had sent a link about sports cards. And I think it was Gary Vee. And I saw that. I was like, oh my god, I have a lot of these things that he's talking about. And it got me looking back into the old collection. Fortunately, my mom never threw it away. Back at the family house. And when I was combing through it, I found there's actually some really nice stuff in there from the junk wax era. But even things into the 90s, I collected and had. And even then, I kept in fairly decent condition. So it brought me back in. And through the COVID boom, and then where we are now at the hobby, I've stayed. I've stuck around. And I'm still interested in the hobby. Nice, nice. I feel like you're one of those guys that went really deep into the hobby once you got back, which is awesome. Because we're pretty deep in as well. Just doing this podcast week in and week out. But I'm curious, when you went back to your collection back from the junk wax era, you actually had decent cards. Because I had some cards too. And they're all worthless, all of them. But you seem to have some nice ones hanging around. Yeah, I did. I mean, I had some. You know, I had like Top Stephanie. And I don't know how I come around to actually getting nicer quality things. But I think I had the foresight to maybe, you know, go backwards in the collection and pick up things maybe from before. 89, 90, I'd say. So I had a Barry Bonds. I had, you know, things that people still appreciate today. Nice, nice. No, that's awesome. Yeah. And then, yeah, I even dabbled in basketball in the mid 90s. And, you know, I missed Tops Chrome, unfortunately. The 96 Tops Chrome. But I had 96 Finest. So I had the Goobies. And I actually even pulled the Refractor. Ended up being Derek Fisher. Wow. I realized, you know, he had a little bit of appeal. And it was a Refractor. And it was, you know, fairly centered. And a card like that actually had appeal. Definitely has some value, for sure. Did you end up grading any of those older cards? I did. I did. So I've sent a few of them. A lot of them PSA 9, which was pretty good. They were basically Penny Sleeves and yellow Top Loaders. Oh, man. If anyone that collected the Junkwax era and that had cards still have cards, you'll know exactly what we're talking about with those yellow Top Loaders. But no, that's funny. Well, if you know Jared like we do now, we know he likes to rip. But we also know he likes to participate in breaks as well. So actually, this was a question from Hyung. I met up with him earlier today at his studio. And he couldn't join us tonight. But he did have a good question for you. And this is what he says, or this is what he wants to know. Which one do you enjoy more, ripping or participating in breaks? And the follow up to that is, what have you had more success in, in terms of ROI on the hits you've pulled? I mean, obviously, I have more fun ripping for myself. But yeah, you know, it's either it's price prohibitive. Like it's, you know, the cost of wax has gotten kind of out of hand, to be honest. Or the product is just unavailable. Even things that are fairly, you know, affordable. It's just kind of hard to find. That could be a reflection of where we are geographically in Canada. I mean, there's a beautiful set that recently came out, Tops Gilded. It's like, no one really has it. And if they do, it's like, I think, I think someone quoted me 1300 Canadian bucks. And I was like, okay, that's too much to buy. Because it's a really hit or miss product. It's like, it's probably six or seven guards. Yeah. So participating in breaks has been a nice way to, you know, participate. And, you know, maybe get the chance to pull, you know, a chase rookie or whatever it is I'm after. Yeah. And then the second part of your question, what it has on a return on investment, I would say the breaks, especially now considering that I had a pretty nice hit recently. Yeah. If once it comes back from grading, my plan is to sell that. And barring a collapse in the price of what it's recently going for, should be a pretty good return on investment. Okay. No, I like how you tease that. Because we're definitely going to talk about that card in just a second. But I like your point about like the reality of the hobby right now, that there are certain sets and certain boxes that are price prohibitive. And that's why for many of us, especially internationally, and I include Canadians as part of that international group, breaks is the only way to go if you want to even participate in obtaining any of these cards at a decent price. Right. And I think a lot of people don't realize that. I think a lot of our listeners, actually 90 to 95% of our podcast listeners are American. So maybe they take it for granted a little bit, because they generally have more access to better cards and at more affordable prices. I was just at Buffalo a couple of weeks ago, and I took advantage of that. I'm like, oh, I got to stop by Dave and Adam's and see what I can pick up. Because local hobby shops here, it's either, like you said, not available or it's just priced out of my budget. Right. Yeah. I mean, the one exception may probably be hockey, but I feel like we have an abundance of hockey, but I'm primarily a baseball card collector. Right. So definitely there's more abundance of product in the States. Yeah, true. And that's why Jared and all the guys from Cards to the Moon and Five Card Guys, we're good friends with them, because although we're Canadian, we're primarily baseball card collectors still. And yeah, we always like to rip tops chrome, like you were kind of mentioning earlier. Well, if you did follow Jared on his Instagram page, you would know he recently went in on a break, trying to hit the Paul Skeen's MLB debut patch from the 2024 Tops Chrome update set. We've talked about it a lot on this pod, because I even went as far as saying, I think it's the best baseball card set of the year, just because of the chase and just what you can possibly get out of it. You didn't end up hitting the Paul Skeen's MLB debut patch. So sorry to say, you can't cash in on the 30 years of season tickets behind home plate at PNC Park, which the Pittsburgh Pirates organization was offering as a bounty. But you hit a nice consolation prize. You hit another monster card. You want to tell us what that is now? I know you teased it, but yeah, let's let our listeners know what you hit. And what was running in your mind when you actually hit that card? Were you in disbelief? Or yeah, I want to get into your mind when you hit that card. I had to do a double take. But what I hit was the Paul Skeen's True Gold Refractor Auto out of 50. Amazing. I think it was serial number 25 out of 50. Looked in pretty good condition. So I had joined a break with Pristine Worldwide, based out of BC, actually in Canada. And he actually gets a lot of good product. And I saw him post the time. I kind of set an alarm and I thought, okay, I'll take the chance and just take that. This will be my one little lottery ticket just to see whether I can hit the patch. But even if I pull any other Paul Skeen's cards, that I'd be pretty happy just to get anything that he pulled. I actually wasn't live for the stream because I was busy doing something with my family. And then when I did catch it, it kind of caught it midway. What he does is when he pulls something good, he kind of puts it on these little stands behind. And when I flipped into it, I looked at his back and said, oh my God, is that Paul Skeen's? And I had to double check whether it was actually my break. Because there's lots of videos on Facebook. And I could have been watching something that wasn't even my break. But when I did see my name under the Pittsburgh spot, I realized, oh my God, that's my card. And then I jumped for joy. Jumped for joy. That's amazing. And like you said, it's a true gold. And just add Jared's cards. You'll see the card for yourself on his Instagram page. And yeah, no. Like I know I've done a comp so and I know you've already probably done a comp too, I think it's last sold raw for 6k So and I think you just sent it for grading. So hopefully it comes back a PSA 10 And that'll be amazing, right? I mean now now it's in the hands of the grading gods, I guess but uh, that's not for grading Yeah, I checked today. There was there was uh, there was no, um, a graded, uh, comp So there's nothing in the in the top report yet. Um, so we'll see a couple weeks time and not big enough for me to do the the quickest service, but um You know, yeah, I mean in a few weeks time i'll get it back. Yeah, amazing card. Congratulations jared And uh, if you didn't pull that if you didn't pull that card And we're talking about this like in terms of roi Just say just say you didn't pull that card. Would it be a lot closer in terms of uh, you know, um roi You know, like uh how much you've gotten back from pulls to to breaks or is this still more you've been more lucky with breaks I mean, it's hard to say because honestly the things that i've i've hit in breaks i've not necessarily sold I'm, I still identify as a true collector, right? So the concept of selling things Uh is fairly new to me. Uh, i'll use things in trade like i've i've i've used uh, I I call it prospect a collateral So like I say you pull you have a you have a nice prospect that you pull from bowman I've used those in the past to trade for more established star players. So it's hard to kind of You know calculate return on investment. Sure. That makes sense to me and and it's funny because you said, you know You know, I didn't really even think about asking you this but uh, you kind of answered it already whether you Consider yourself more of a collector or investor and obviously you'd like to collect and you know You have a lot of blue jays cards, uh when you go in on the breaks Do you do you take the jays a lot? Um Not really, I guess what i'll do is i'll look at the checklist to see what the potential outcomes could be um, if it is a if it is a product that maybe has highly touted blue jays prospect maybe I will but if it's um, you know, no offense, but if it's someone like Cam Eden or spencer horowitz, they're not necessarily, you know jays that I would collect but um, yeah If it was bowman and there was a chance for maybe arjun namala. Yeah I'd put my name in the hat for that because the jays are typically not uh an expensive team Yeah, typically, um other than the vladdy years and the vladdy and bachette years, right? But um, yeah Well when you say you're a collector, is there anything in particular you like to collect like is there a player or a team or? Um, I collect gosh what I collect I collect vlad senior Weirdly interesting vlad senior. So I was a vlad senior fan Uh, even in the early days of his career. It's just something about his free swinging style, you know not wearing batting gloves and That's really amazing The career that he had and then of course, uh, you know vlad jr pong in his footsteps. So that that's um he's one of my pc players and then Generally speaking it looks you know by the looks of my collection. I'm collecting modern baseball because I you know with the players in the 80s 90s 2000s i've kind of gone back and picked up Typically their bowman first already So I kind of I want to have a collection that has coverage of the players that i've watched in the careers that i've followed Yeah, so once i've kind of picked those off then it's kind of like okay within you Up-and-coming players. Is there an opportunity to get in on the ground floor? Maybe find lowest serial numbered? Autographed cards that you know could appreciate to something if their careers, you know, have that kind of star trajectory superstar trajectory Yeah, no, it's always fun prospecting and um, yeah the dangerous game rooting It's very dangerous But it's fun while you're in it, you know, just rooting for the players too, you know, it's kind of like Uh, it's kind of like fantasy sports in that way You're rooting for guys on your team and and in the cards you root for the guys that you have Uh cards of right, uh possession. So yeah, exactly kind of fun that way Um, just going back to ripping for just a second. What was the best card you've pulled just ripping your own cards? Ripping my own cards, um, gosh I mean recently recently I bought a box of tops update And I pulled a a bobby whit Auto, it was a red auto 1989 tops, uh card auto out of 25. So it was a pretty solid card In that same box actually pulled a george kirby Uh super fratner as well So that was pretty uh from up from the from the silver pack. So that was that was a pretty big big box actually That's amazing, man. You know, I only dream of one day Like pulling a super fractor, you know, like, uh, you you know our friend will who's been uh, uh, You know a guest host on our podcast. He's I was you know, he's he's pulled a couple super fractors I feel like everyone else has at least had the experience of pulling a super And uh, yeah, I I guess you gotta just rip a lot, you know to have that opportunity Yeah, and I think that's the thing they always say. Oh the breakers always get all the big hits I mean, it's it's statistically bound to happen the volume right? So it's a volume game, right? So Yes, yeah, but you know that being said I think recently there was a there's a guy who had a youtube channel It was just opening from sophie. He hit the paul skeens Platinum one of one from tops update paper like so that was a big that was a big hit and he wasn't a breaker Yeah, no, I saw that too. Yeah, that was amazing Cool, uh, so With with the amount of cards you rip and break. It's no surprise that you have a nice collection of cards. So in a way um It should have surprised me that you would try to sell Some of them as a vendor or dealer at the sport card expo because you know if you have that many cards Um, it's almost easier to set and set up in one spot Uh, so I know I know it was your first time though setting up behind a booth So tell us how was that experience and and what did you learn from it? It was actually so fun, uh, I know that it it's a lot of uh work of setting up and you know, I had I Reconfigured my my kids, uh, baby wagon, uh, take it taking away some of the seats and basically use that as my trolley to bring in my my Nice boxes of cards. Uh every day was all setting up. Um, but it was great. It was a great opportunity for me to Uh put out some of the cards that i've accumulated that maybe I don't i'm not like in love with they're not like Something that I necessarily need to keep and if those cards can find an owner You know someone to collect those particular players and I can get back some money that I can be Invested in the hobby reinvest in things that i'm going after then perfect. It was like I didn't go in there trying to make money um, but uh and I didn't necessarily want to move certain cards, but there was a couple of times where The price was right and I ran it in my mind that you know, I could let this go and I could probably get it back later. Okay well Once that happened once that happened it made it easier for me to even relinquish things that initially I would have thought I'll just display it, but I don't think i'm gonna let it go I see um, how much uh, well you talked about in terms of prep work, how much time did you take just like Pricing things out or did you just kind of set it up and if someone asked about it Then you kind of figure it out on the fly. What was your approach? No, no, I I I maybe um, three three nights, uh before I started kind of just looking at comps and um, because it's Nothing is worse than than going to a table and then people don't have an idea about price and you know The wi-fi can be you know Pretty spotty during those shows and you don't want to be stuck there like spinning wheel 130 point trying to figure out what a comparable Is um, so probably three days before my wife was very encouraging about the event She actually went out there and got me one of those pricing guns because she's nice It's her way of telling you how to get rid of this stuff I was gonna say Yeah, she was so she was very encouraging With that so, you know, probably, you know starting three nights before I started pricing stuff out I started you know using the the pricing gun putting things on the cards Just just so that people could have an idea what you know, I what price I had in mind Nice. No, I appreciate that about dealers, you know Less questions right off the bat and then you know, there's there's always room for negotiation, right? So, um, Okay, nice and you already mentioned that you didn't go in there to make money But in terms of the booth price, I know I already know the answer to this but for our listeners You're you really shared a space with a friend of yours. Is that how it worked? Yeah, I shared a space with um, they're actually they're friends and but actually professional colleagues too And it was so weird like getting into this hobby and we realized that they were collectors and then we when we Realized we were collectors, you know, we you know, even in our professional setting. We were like, hey, what are you looking at these days? So they had room, uh, uh They had room in their booth and they asked me to hey you want to you know, have a showcase Um, you know just pay a little bit just to contribute to the cost of it Um, yeah, I don't know if you know the booth but this is the booth Is the one that is, you know set up with the microwave and all the food set up Yeah, so I was fat all weekend And you know in return of working the booth and also being a second set of eyes On their booth if they ever had to step away um, so it was fun and it was you know, they They had mainly hockey and pokemon and me bringing uh baseball and basketball brought brought a mix to the uh, Sure the booth that they had because it was actually about three teams that we had Nice. Yeah, and you know like I was gonna ask you too like that you brought mostly baseball and basketball But uh sport card expo we've talked about on the pod. It's still a lot of it's still hockey So, how did you find it at this year's expo? Like I mentioned in a I think a podcast episode two weeks ago that I found it a little bit even more diverse More so than usual. I just want to get you I thought it was very diverse and I actually thought Just by by chance I think that that side that we were on there was a lot of other baseball Collectors because I knew a lot of I knew a group of the of the other uh dealers You know in our road that did mainly baseball So, okay And then when I had the chance to walk around I saw that there was there was diversity It wasn't a lot of it wasn't just hockey In fact, you know the amount of soccer, you know was actually very surprising. There was a very strong soccer collection base Yeah, no for sure no that's I agree completely and uh I guess you know that being said you got a lot of people come by and Were you able to make a lot of deals during those two three days that you're there? Yeah, I was I was actually very surprised that I was able to Sell things that I wanted to sell but also things that I had just kind of put in my showcase just to show Okay, there's some decent things here And people kind of met me at the price that I that I kind of put which I thought was a little bit on the high side So I ended I ended up selling uh, 2018 Series two shohei otani true gem gold And that was the ones that was like I didn't really want to sell that but he like he's kind of Um, he's kind of at a really high right now. Everybody was looking for otani Yes, and I got a good price the guy played paid, uh in u.s dollars, which is also a bonus and I was willing to let it go because I feel I can probably get that back later, but It's a good time to sell and then the other one that again. I didn't really want to let go Was a freddie freeman diamond anniversary 2011 top psa 10 nice again, uh, the guy wanted it was a fairly decent price and Yeah, I let it go Great. I think like a week or two later the uh, I saw an auction it went for sale for less than I sold before so Okay, you know you can't you do well. You never know what happens with prices, right? But at the time I thought okay That's good. Yeah, no for sure. Um, you know the young actually he had a booth was it two or three expos ago and And uh, you know we set up there, uh, you know, I only sat there for maybe a couple of days It wasn't even the full day But I remember just being really tired just like essentially standing and just being at the show for the for the complete time Were you exhausted at all? Like did did that or were you just like running on adrenaline? I was actually Really energized and I thought okay. I said to my booth mate. I said, oh my god I can't believe the time's flying. It's like, you know, there's only a couple of hours left because it was it was It was because I think we were just constantly busy people were were coming up to us and I think I think To be honest like the pokemon just just gets a lot of attention. It's like, um, the the pokemon product that was available at our booth was Just getting a lot of eyeballs Yeah, you know, I don't I don't collect pokemon but the amount of money that is not a pokemon was shocking to me It was like, um, I remember one of one of his early sales. He sold a pack Of pokemon I had no idea from what era I think it was like the early 2000s And the people that bought it they paid eleven hundred dollars for a pack It's amazing They bought two of them Oh, you know, i'm i'm just dabbling into pokemon now, uh, it started with uh, you know Just my son really really enjoying it and now i've kind of taken over i'm like, okay. Yeah, let me handle these cards You know And it's kind of funny shiny or golden. Yeah, probably put it in a sleeve and top load it right away yeah, it's really interesting to me pokemon because You know if they actually advertise. Oh these packs weigh a little bit more Meaning, you know, there's the potentially a chance for some special kind of card. Yeah And it's perfectly acceptable, uh in in that that realm. I don't think uh, the same could be said about sports cards No, it's much it's it's looked down upon and the sports car world, but yeah, that's interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah um last question about setting up and just your experience, uh, Um setting up at the expo Do you prefer having done that now? Do you prefer setting up at the booth now or do you like to walk around and and try to make deals that way? I mean in the sense that In the sense that as a collector in me wants to walk around and and you know, right see what And even though I may have seen this booth on the first walk around there are some people their inventory is changing on the fly You know from from one day to the next so I I did miss that part of it And even though I was able to kind of walk around um Away from my booth and have my booth kind of cover I feel like I didn't have as much time because I was quite busy at the booth kind of tended to people making inquiries about the stuff that I had. I think if maybe I used my opportunity at the booth to maybe ask people, hey, what do you have? Let me see your stuff. I kind of used it like an opportunity to maybe buy things rather than sell things, then I may answer differently. Interesting. Yeah, I know. For sure. I could see that point too. No. Thanks for sharing that. Actually, I don't know if you heard, did we talk about this on the pod? I know HBO is offline, but I think next year's expo in April, we're thinking of just getting a booth as well, just setting up. Primarily for me, I liquidate a lot of cards when everything starts to plummet, and now I'm just trying to accumulate all the cards I really want to collect, but yeah, we're even thinking about setting up a booth, maybe even just doing a live podcast episode, so you got to drop by if we do that, and just letting others know about what we're doing here at Cards to the Moon. It looked like a fun time. Honestly, it felt a lot different than last year for some reason. This year just felt really fun. Maybe we were able to connect with a lot of other collectors too, and just kind of see how they're doing, and yeah, I just got that vibe. I'm not sure if it was different for you or ... Yeah, honestly, I thought it was a great vibe, I thought it was fun. I think there's a lot of negativity in the hobby, and then people think, oh, the hobby is dead. It's not. The hobby is alive. You see the number of people out there at trade night, and just the foot traffic. I think the hobby is very much alive. Maybe the way people hobby has to kind of adjust with the times and the sticker price of things, but you can still have great enjoyment collecting things that are not necessarily tied to today's sticker prices. Yeah, totally agree. Well said. All right, we like to usually end off our guest interviews with rapid fire questions, so if you don't mind, if you're ready, I got about four or five for you. We always start with this one. What's your favorite PC card at the moment? My favorite PC card at the moment probably hasn't changed. It's a 2006 Clayton Kershaw Coleman First Refractor Auto. Wow. He's like the greatest pitcher of our generation, and just a card that you don't really see much here in Canada. Yep. No. Great answer. He's always on my watch list, the blue refractor. People know I love the color match, so yeah, that's always on my watch list. Great card. Is there a grail card you're currently chasing? I mean, a card that I always wanted was the Juan Soto SSP Gatorade Bat, and I think that's at today's prices, I think if I do proceed to sell that Paul Skeins, that's a card that I could probably turn the Paul Skeins into the Juan Soto, and I actually still have money left over. Yeah. Good choice. Good answer. We always say that that is the OG Gatorade card. There's too many of them now, but the Juan Soto one is the OG one that I wouldn't mind having myself in my collection one day. Yeah. Since coming back to the hobby, what would you say you've enjoyed the most about the hobby? Honestly, it's the relationships, it's meeting like-minded collectors, typically there's sports fans too, so we can just talk about sports as well, and really it's about that. What I remember best about the show was actually meeting people, which to that point, we just knew each other by our Instagram handles. And then it's like, oh, are you Jared's card? It's like, yeah, yeah. And it's just interesting to put bases between, I know what they collect, they know what I collect, I was able to kind of show, you know, I have these cards, would you be interested? So it was really interesting just making the human connection. Nice. Yeah. You know, I was just on Cajun Cardboard, Brian's YouTube channel, and I think that's airing next week, but he has a similar question I answered the exact same way. It's about the people that you meet, coming back into the hobby and developing these relationships. And a lot of times we've never even met in person, it's still online or still through social media. But then when you do meet in person, like when you go to these card shows, it's like you've known them for a while now, although it's your first time meeting them actually in person. So it's kind of this weird relationship dynamic. Yeah. Yeah, that was the best part. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. We've done this one on one V1, our pick one segment on a podcast episode before, and I want to get your thoughts, okay? The Super Fractured Bowman Chrome autograph card of a rookie, right? Or the MLB debut patch one of One Auto? I think without a doubt, it would be the MLB debut patch. Wow. Okay. It actually has provenance, right? That patch was on the jersey of their first game. It's hard signed. The photo is most likely a photo of the player actually playing. Most of the time Bowman first photos are photoshopped. Yeah. You know what, that answer surprised me for some reason. Because we've asked this before, before the MLB debut patch, it's really starting to pick up steam in terms of the appeal of it. And especially with the rookie class this year. And when we did this one V1 like a year, when MLB debut patch, the idea of it came out, we're like, oh, the Super Fractured will always kind of be number one because of its history. And then we did the one V1 on this again a year later. And then it's funny, a couple of us, I don't think that episode's aired yet, but a couple of us have changed our minds. We're like, oh, it's the MLB debut patch. It's going to be the rookie card that everyone will want to chase after as long as they continue issuing these MLB debut patch cards. Yeah, I think we just maybe give it a little bit of time. Obviously, it's still very new, but you know, you give it a few more years and the amount of promotion and advertising that Topps is putting into it. And yeah, because of the other things that I mentioned, I could see that being the top chase card for a player. But the reason why I was surprised was I thought Super Fractures would still hold more significance to like hardcore baseball card collectors, which I put you in the category of Super Fractures. I find because there's so much Chrome product out there now, they kind of lose a little bit of their luster because there's just so many Super Fractures, there's so many one of one. But the MLB debut patch, do they even put one of one on the card? I don't even know. Because they just know there is only one. Right. That's true. After this part, I'm going to look it up to see if there's a one of one on it. But no, that's true. That's true. Okay. Yeah, I like that. I don't know if I should assume this, but if you're a Toronto Blue Jays fan, so like our last question is more Canadian centric and we're both Canadians. So I had to think of something more creative. So this is what I thought of, okay? Juan Soto. As of this recording, we don't know which team Juan Soto is signing with. We're always hoping that's the Jays, of course, but Juan Soto's agent, Scott Boras, calls you and says, we can get the deal done for Soto to sign with the Jays, but you got to give up your best card to Juan Soto, okay? Would you do it? And if yes, which card are you giving him? Yeah, I would absolutely give up my best card for Juan Soto. Yeah, it's for the greater good, Clark. I can always buy back the card. I love it. Okay. It's not a problem. It's for the greater good. What card would it be? I mean, I would let him have his choice. I don't know. It doesn't matter. He's an agent. Who knows how he values the cards? I mean, not that Soto would need it after signing potentially a $700 million contract, but then again, Shohei's apparently suing to get this $350,000 worth of cards. $300,000 worth of cards. Right? I read that. From Ipe. That's interesting. All right, Jared. I had a blast. I'm a huge Jays fan. Yeah. No, I'm sorry. Okay, good. Because you asked me about I'm a Blue Jays fan. Yeah, I'm a huge Blue Jays fan. Okay. I collected the Jays cards from the 80s, like George Bell, Rookie Card, Lloyd Mosby, Jesse Barfield, Tony Fernandez, and Dave Steve. Those were actually cards that stopped a lot of people when I was at the signing up at Dexpo. People stopped to look at that. Really? Yeah. I don't know if it was for any Toronto and Canadian-centric reason, but yeah, those cards actually were what got people's attention. I love hearing that. I love it. Yeah. No, that's great. Well, you know what? We'll definitely have to catch a game together now that we know each other and we're into collecting. And like you said, a lot of the sports and sports cards crosses over easily. So yeah. No, we got to do that in the upcoming year. Hopefully it's a better year than this past season. This past season was dreadful. We'll see what the off-season brings. We're hoping for a lot of great signings, but I know you're going to be paying close attention to that as well. But yeah, Jared, appreciate your time. Fun chatting with you. And yeah, well, I'm sure we'll connect soon. Sounds good. Thanks, Clark. Hey, thanks for listening to Cards to the Moon. We'd really appreciate you subscribing to our podcast wherever you listen to your podcasts. And you can also connect with each of us on Instagram at 5cardguys, or you can follow Hyung at Integrity Sports Cards, or John at TradeU at Recess. You can also check us out at 5cardguys.com. Thanks again, and hope to connect soon.