Is Eye Appeal Taking Over? + Who Grades the Graders? + Mack Cheli’s Incredible Collection

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Thanks to everybody, our loyal viewers and listeners. If you haven't already, please subscribe. And as always, your comments and your questions are in play. Let's get to it. And before I bring on our first guest tonight, it's a. It's not a regular. We got. We got a special guest tonight, kicking things off for the first hour or so. But, but before we bring him on, I'm gonna go through and say hello to a bunch of you guys. Carl from Oz, you're sitting up in your hospital bed. You fractured your other Hyper. Carl, take care of yourself, buddy. Hope you rest up and heal soon. Outlaws. What's going on? Outlaws? Stoops. Good to see you. Stoops. As always. Laura, Good evening to you. Yu-Gi-Oh wishing. Wishing Carl a speedy recovery. Eric J. You found the party, buddy. You found it. Fan for life. What's going on? Brian, good to see you. Jeffrey Clapper. What's happening? BW is here. Will deal. Holyfield, Good to see you. Confluence Sundine is here. Jim, Define. Heard a rumor this is where the cool kids hang out. You got a buddy. Larry Gitlin. What's happening, Larry? Cat Tracker. Fireside. Listen, love a great channel. Appreciate that. Cat Tracker. Welcome to the show. Jayhawker Ken Wood. Mickey Minto in the house. Tony Conti. Coach Neil is back. What's up, Coach Neil? Confluence says it'll be much easier to get to Toronto once they build a bridge over the Lake of America. Hockey cardboard. What's going on? Jeff McMahon, the 219 LGJ Yankees fan. Fan for life. Who am I kidding? You're paying a thousand in tariffs and sports cards from Japan. Yu-Gi-Oh What's up, Professor? Five Cent Wax Rugs Capital. What's going on, Mookie? Chelsea. Hello, Mookie. Hello, Splenda. How's the Zen going? Michael Ham is here. What's up, Pam? Good to see you, buddy. All right, guys. Welcome everyone, to the show. Let me hit Instagram, get that up and running so we can lure some people in from over there. And okay, we're gonna start off with my buddy Mac. Max's gonna come on the show. We're gonna have Leighton Sheldon join us in about an hour or so. And then we're gonna. We're gonna see Joe Perot. We're gonna see Chris McGill, Joshua Adams, David Chase. David's got a party tonight, so he's coming on later, but let's kick it off. Matt, give me a thumbs up if you're ready to join me on the screen. Everybody, please welcome Mac Shelley, Big Mac's Cardbox to the show for the first time. Mac, welcome to Sports Cards Live. Thank you for having me. You are welcome. Yu-Gi-Oh Excited to be here. It's good to have you, Max. So I met you at the national this year. We had talked earlier, we've talked in the past, but I met you at the national, and you came to one of the group Donruss I think it was the Friday, I think it was the Bob Barth dinner that you came to that Greg at Midlife Cards kind of organized over at Shoeless Joe's. You came to that. To that dinner. You had your partner with yu-gi-oh, but you also had some cards with you. And the cards blew my mind. Before we get into your collecting in the cards, you and guys, trust me, I've got some of them teed up. We're going to show. And. But. And some of you might recognize Mac from his. His handle Big Mac's Cardbox on Instagram and on ebay as well. But I want to learn a bit more about your. Your collecting history, Mac, and kind of when did you get into the hobby? And a bit of your origin story. If you don't mind. Why don't you fill us in on. On the history of Mac in the hobby. Yu-Gi-Oh So I gotta give all the Credit to my dad. He got me started when I was 5, but he kind of did a non normal approach. He was like, I'm buying you vintage cards. I never opened packs as a kid. My very first card was a Ricky Henderson rookie from the Cal palace show here in San Francisco. And I was hooked. And from that birthday Christmas on, all I wanted was vintage sports cards. Fast forward to 2018. I kept collecting. Whenever I got some free money earned from like a side job, I'd go buy cards. But in 2018, I decided to try to make this a part time business. I'm a former college baseball player. I played at Chapman in Southern California. We one-of-one a national championship in 2018, which was incredible. But I've always loved cards and one of my teammates and I would go to all the local shops in Southern California back when cards were still relatively cheap, I would say and would just flip them. And it kind of just grew. And as the hobbies grown and I was in tech for multiple years after school, earning a little bit bigger of a bankroll, started buying bigger and bigger cards. And I still do that. I have a huge collection. My whole PC is signed hall of Fame rookies with Yu-Gi-Oh appeal. And if I can't get them signed, I just want the best looking card. I don't care if it's a one, a four or a seven. And that's kind of up to current day. I love that you don't care about the technical grade and that, that speaks right to my, my wheelhouse as well. So you said, you know, you want a card that looks the best. So I mean, and even on the thumbnail of this episode today, and the title is I Appeal taking over the Hobby, I mean, everyone's talking about ipo. When I say everyone, I mean, you know, it's gonna be different. Everybody who, who is tuned into podcasts, YouTube shows or social media in general, even hearing conversations at the card shops, the card shows, we're all hearing people talking about Yu-Gi-Oh appeal. Now, whether you're selling, buying what, whatever it is, at what point for you did you really learn? Like how did you, your father gave you some cards, how did you. What was your, what was that, that aha moment where you're like, wait a second, these are not all created equal. They don't all vintage, all didn't come out of the pack in the same. With the same level of eyeball, the same presentation. What was the Yu-Gi-Oh opening moment? Do you remember when it, when you kind of realized that. It's a good question. As a kid I was just grateful like again, whatever I could get my hands on. I want to say it was probably in 2021, 2022 kind of, I'd say probably more 21 as prices started like really going up and we all remember that kind of spike. And I just felt that you could find really good looking cards that were not in a technically higher grade. That brought me even more joy than paying for a really off center card to add to my collection. And I felt there was less at the time of people doing that. It was more of like how high of a grade can I do? And again collect whatever you love and enjoy. But I was like I could get two really good looking cards for the price of one higher grade one. And then it just kind of continued. And I do buy and sell to fund my own collection and myself as well. So it also, I feel like as NBA came on to the scene and other people started paying more of a premium. That's kind of when I feel like it's become now this massive topic in the hobby which is great because I luckily had stuff from the, I would say earlier days of um, but also kind of miss it because I wish I could have bought 10 times what I did then for sure. You're, you're, what you're saying. It's like I could be saying this and talking about myself. Guys, I promise he is not an Yu-Gi-Oh generated avatar of me. He is, he is Matt Shelley. He is his own person, a human being. We got to, like I said, we met at the national. So but like, you know, one of the only key differences is that I learned about I appeal and about not that, you know, it's one thing I say learned about it. It was always something. Even collecting in the late 80s, early 90s where you would look at a card for condition. But it was never about ip, it was all about corners. Back in those days it was really just about corners and creases. I don't really remember thinking too much about centering edges, even you know, surface. It was what it was. But for me it was in around 2013 I think at a national running into a couple of vendors. So I'm still friendly with you probably know Jeff Foy from, from Card country and Brady Hill are two guys that I was at their booths and their cards were all priced a little bit higher than averages for those grades. And I thought to myself that's interesting. So I was talking to them and the term they were using at the time before I appeal was the term. The term back then was Strong for the grade, which is a term that I find really easy to understand because the grading scale is very tight and restrictive to only, you know, 10 or 19 or whatever it is. Though one, one and a half, two grade points. That's not enough to cover all the different conditions a card can be in. So strong for the grade made a lot of sense to me and still does to this day. But I think instead of that, we call it Yu-Gi-Oh appeal instead of, instead of strong for the great. So you mentioned, you know, when 2021 rolled around and you know, NBA. I remember MBA I first heard about NBA, I think during the. When they were set up at a Dallas show, I think. And I remember seeing some videos and people were talking about like, what is this NBA? Mike Baker. I didn't know who he was at the time. I've since come to understand who he, who he is and where he was in the past, I. E. Psa but that was, you know, first I thought, that's really interesting. I didn't, I didn't love it or really think it was useful at the time. And as time, as the time went by and I started to think about it more, I'm like, okay, I understand why people do like it. There's. I mean, of course a lot of people don't, but I understand why people would like that service. And since then, I think you're right, Mac. I appeal. It's everywhere. Is it taking over the hobby? I mean, it's taken over the narrative right now. So how does that fit into kind of what you're doing now that it's everywhere? Does this help you? I mean, for me, Mac, I know it's harder to find those low grade, high IPL cards anymore. It seems like everyone's seeking them out. How has the last four or five years changed since the Yu-Gi-Oh appeal movement has really started to. To take form? Yu-Gi-Oh I definitely think that. I think there's a mix of. I think people like riding waves. I think you have people in the hobby that see that people are willing to pay more and they are now focusing on buying that because they can profit more from that. And I think that's totally fair. But I do think it's, again, speaking to maybe yourself and myself, it makes it more difficult because a beautiful 1953 peewee Reese in a one people want the price of a four. And before I could pay maybe the price of a two and. But again, I'm very fortunate. Luckily I bought stuff ahead of the time where I can liquidate some of those if I want to move into other things, but I think it, I think there's always opportunity. It's just how hard you're willing to work and kind of where you see the future going. And I think I appeal is here to stay. I don't, I don't know how big of a premium certain things will continue with, but I think people, like, people bought good looking cards from the beginning of this hobby way before I even got into it and they would pay slightly more for it. I just think now that we are seeing more interest in it. Just like any other card, you're gonna have to pay more as you're competing against more people. And it's a way to keep I. I hate using the term like pop, but like you're almost keeping like okay, there's a thousand Mickey Mantle cards in this year. Only a hundred look like this. You don't know for certain, but there are only so many that are centered and have great color and registration. Yu-Gi-Oh you mentioned the hundred out of a thousand when you said that. I know you're just pulling numbers out, but when you said that, my mind went straight to the I Appeal structure which is often communicated by the I Appeal companies or the I Appeal assessors. Whether it's the Fanatics collect I Appeal or, or the NBA. I know that Four Sharp Corners does it a little bit differently, I believe. And then I Appeal Inc. With Maddie C does it totally differently. But one of the things that, that, that started us all back in the PWCC I appeal days was top 5%, top 15% and top 30%. Those were kind of the standard carve outs from I Appeal. And one of the things that I know has been a challenge for people to understand when it comes to those percentages is how do they know that this is the top 5% of, of the card? They must have seen them all. I remember I once owned, for a few years I owned the. I owned the. It was, it was a top 5%. Ray Bork 1980 tops rookie card. It was top 5%. Was it top 5 or was it top 15? It was top 15%. Sorry, there were none. And there were no. I, I'm assuming there were no top 5%. The reason I say that is because the whole population was seven cards. Seven. So seven times 15 is about 100. It's 105. Right? It's about 100%. So that made me believe that, well, this is the best one possible and they can never assess or assign another one with the top five 15% because I have that card already if there's only seven in the grade point. I came to understand it a little bit differently after having some conversations with. With. I forget who it was. Maybe it was the person of Fanatics. I forget. What is your understanding of that? Are they saying that this is the. The. That the card they're looking at is a top 30% of the whole population? How do you think they are able to say that if they haven't seen all of the copies? Yu-Gi-Oh I think just because you mentioned Maddie, I think the I Appeal Inc. Does a very cool thing with. Again, you have multiple opinions and so it's not. They don't like. It's a wider scale and you're not looking. It kind of pulls the grade out of it. So I think they're the one company that kind of stands alone from that aspect. They obviously have a ton of different tiers. But again, it's less of like this is the best. It just happens that a group of people believe this is in that level. I. I have always been under the interpretation and if you know, I'd love to hear is that it's not like they're almost like guessing. And I think the thing that Mike has the big advantage on is he has graded and seen some of the best cards in the hobby for decades at NBA. And I think that's a huge advantage to him in the sense of he has graded more cards than I would guess 99 of people on this planet. And at that point then you can have maybe a more accurate to say I think this is a 10 top 15 copy, I think. And correct me if I'm wrong, I believe their gold now is if it's undergraded. So it's. I think that one is clearer and I kind of like that where it's saying hey, like I think it does count for in some ways they are looking at Yu-Gi-Oh appeal. But is this also undergraded from the original company's grading? But no, I would love to know your answer on the top 15% because I. I don't know. I just assumed it was their wealth of knowledge and being like I've seen a lot of these. This is where I would put it in. Yu-Gi-Oh So I originally thought that it was, you know, I. I knew they could never have seen them all. So I thought it was like the top X percent of all the copies that have come across their desk. Again, whether it's NBA, whether it's the Fanatics I Appeal team or whoever else does it. That's what I thought it was. And then I was talking to somebody. It might have been the guy from Fanatics. His name's Ryan. And I was. And this is not going to be perfect, so please, you know, bear with me as I try to, you know, articulate what they told me. And one-of-one I'm paraphrasing, extreme paraphrasing here. Basically, it's not just based on. From. In my Ray Bork 1980 tops example. It's not just the Ray Bork card. It's like all. They would say that, okay, we've seen a whole bunch of 1980 tops hockey cards. And of all the ones we've seen, we feel that this card would fit into the top five, 10, or 30% of all of them, not just the Ray Bork card, which I can understand that. That's really. That that does make sense to me that that's how they are doing it. The one problem with that, I suppose, is that not all cards, they're in different places on the sheets, and some are going to be more prone to different sorts of damage or ink splatter in the process and all those sorts of things. So it may not be perfect, but it's probably as good as they could have done. So I just wondered what the general public thought that meant because I've heard people say, how could they say the top 5%? They haven't seen them all. Well, and I'm like, no, they haven't seen them all, but they've seen enough cards from that product maybe to be able to say that even then. I think. I think we're taking a bit of a leap to. To that final sort of assessment. Now, you talked about NBA gold sticker, so there's something that. There's a. There's a card that's up. I don't know if it's still for sale now, but I. I want to. I want to share this card right here, guys, and bring it on the screen. Here's a T206 Ty Cobb green portrait. I think this is up on like Goldin or Heritage or somewhere. It might even be up right now. Not sure if it's. If it ended yet, but this card is in. As for people only listening, it's again a T206T cob green portrait. And the back is a sweet capell back. So there's the back, which is chewed up. The front, it's missing. It's like. It's like. It's like the termites got to it. It's been crumpled up and spread back out the Card's an Absolute mess, but it has this gold, what people think is an Yu-Gi-Oh appeal sticker on it. And so I actually texted Mike Baker and I said, hey, can you explain this to me before I talk about it on the show on Saturday? Because I want to make sure that I'm at least representing what it is. I don't want to make stuff up or pretend like I know you might have. You might want to advise me on what it is. And he. And what he told me was what you said, the meaning of the goal. And by the way, David Chase from Sports Cards Live and the Midlife Card Chase and Greg Miller from Midlife Cards did a great job talking about this on the last episode of Midlife Card Chase over on the sports card clubhouse YouTube channel. So you can go check that out as well. But for here right now, as I was explained to by Mike Baker, the gold sticker means exactly what you said, Mac. It does. No, it no longer means top 5% or 15%. It simply means the card is under graded in the slab. It's in. And. And then I said, Yu-Gi-Oh but this thing's a disaster. And he said, Yu-Gi-Oh but I would grade it a one. I wouldn't have graded it authentic. So that's why this card has no Yu-Gi-Oh appeal. It's basically, if this was on Maddie C's I appeal link, I don't know that I'd give it an. Yu-Gi-Oh I'd probably give it an F. I'd probably give it the Absolute worst Yu-Gi-Oh appeal rating possible, yet NBA gives it a gold sticker, which I think tricks, not tricks, but misleads a lot of people to thinking that NBA gave this an Yu-Gi-Oh appeal award. But they didn't. I think as soon as they launched their. Their Hard slab grading service, the meaning of the gold sticker changed from I appeal to undergraded. Which, here's a question for you, Matt, because obviously the gold sticker is a little bit a higher status symbol than a silver sticker on a slab. But I think I like the silver stickers better now. I think they're more important because they mean Yu-Gi-Oh appeal still. So I'd rather own a. I would rather own a card that has strong Yu-Gi-Oh appeal versus an undergraded card. I don't need the stickers to tell me what's what. But as far as the sticker world goes, I think the silver sticker now is a better. For me, it's a better sticker. It's telling me that I would like that card more than the gold sticker does, because this card, I. I don't want to own it. You put a silver sticker on there. I think they were drunk when they applied it. So what do you think of all that and that change and this, how tricky it might be to understand it for the public right now? Yu-Gi-Oh I. I think you bring up a really good point. I agree, as a collector myself, that I might be shifting also to wanting silver's God tier on Yu-Gi-Oh appeal. But I do think that it's. As someone who's been in the hobby a long time, and I'm sure a lot of people on the show have been in the hobby much longer than I have even been. And I feel like for someone my age who's been in the hobby a long time is we're just seeing such a big boom now in the space. We all know it. There's more money coming in is I have tons of friends. I have friends of parents that are like, Mac, I want to put 5% of my net worth into alternative assets where they're thinking about tickets, cards, and for, I think, eyes that are not used to seeing tons of sports cards. The gold sticker or even any of the stickers or Maddie C's Yu-Gi-Oh appeal stickers give those people a level of confidence of being like, I don't have the knowledge of the majority of this hobby. I want to own this. How do I know that this is one of the better copies? And maybe that started off with people going for gold stickers, and maybe that changes to silver just like how you and I spoke about that something we might do because it represents Yu-Gi-Oh appeal. But it does seem that some people, especially people new to the hobby, just want what is best. And maybe what is best is that card in a certain grade with a sticker telling it it's even a higher grade. So maybe a gold means more now at a nine, which obviously does being a nine, five or eight being an eight and a half and those higher grades, the gold matters more. So that's kind of my take. I. I think that innovation is good for the hobby. I think that there's a lot of things that people can enjoy and take different takes on it. I have cards with NBA stickers. I have cards with the Yu-Gi-Oh appeal stickers. But again, I'm not going to change from my ethos of wanting signed rookie cards that have great Yu-Gi-Oh appeal. And. And again, if not signed, just that. So what position did you play when you were almost pro baseball player? Definitely. Were you pro? Were you pro? No, I just played in College. I may have been able to sign for a Snickers bar and a bus ticket, but my body was done. And minor league baseball is a long journey. I have plenty of friends still playing, um, some up in the pros right now. And regardless, the way you get there, it's, it's a long road. Um, but I loved college experience. It was great. Um, I was a catcher in high school. I was a big catcher because I'm about 6, 4. And then I wanted to be able to walk when I was 40, so I played first base in college. Got it. Very good. And did you, did you play with anyone who became professional? Do you have any pro baseball player friends? Like, I'm just wondering if you, if you could hook me up with a, with a pro baseball player as a guest of the show in the future. I'll see what I can do. But I, I don't like to. But you know, I like a lot of keeping things separate. But Yu-Gi-Oh I played with two. I played summer ball with Ben Rice, who happens to be one of the best players in baseball right now. Just an incredible human being. And then back in high school with summer ball, I played two summers with Spencer Torkelson and then some other guys that are now trying to climb their way up to the pros. But I would say those are the two big names that I'm sure a lot of people recognize. Nice. Cool, man. Well, let's take a look at a couple of your cards. We, we just looked at that. The Ty Cobb and. Well, I'll get to. I got a bunch of comments guys marked down that we're going to get to in the chat. Welcome everybody to the show as well. If you've just joined us, I see we've doubled the viewers in the last few minutes here. So glad to have everybody here with us. If you're watching on Instagram, I see there's a few of you. Come on over to YouTube Sports Card live on YouTube. That's where you can get involved in the conversation. Now we'll just go through it. You've sent me pictures of seven cards. I'm just gonna bring up the first one and you can just sort of tell us a bit of. I'll tell what it is. For the people listening on podcast, we're looking at a 1934 Gowdy Jimmy Foxx. It lives in an SGC5 holder. It does have a gold NBA sticker. This is like a God tier type card as I look at it right now. Mac, this thing looks like a. It could be a 10. What is wrong with it? But tell us about this card. I really wanted to send. I think out of all the cards send you this one, this was one that, whether it was doing chores for my parents or mowing lawns. I actually bought this card in seventh grade, which was eons ago. And it just happened to be the nicest looking copy card that I had bought throughout my childhood. So about when I. When SGC was kind of hitting its peak, kind of right before they got bought, I decided to. Again, I don't have many of the signed Gowdy hall of Famers, I chose to just do that set unsigned, given some of the price points. So I sent it to SGC and it got a five. I can't say I fully agree with the grade on this one, but this is a card that I plan to have for the rest of my life and hopefully pass down to my future kids. And this was before obviously the goal. This was before the gold sticker represented higher, but I think in this case does. Yu-Gi-Oh Oh, I mean, I think, I think gold stickers can. Can like in the new, the new standard that they have. I think gold stickers can mean. It's almost a coincidence though, where if it's going to grade higher than the current grade, it could also mean it has better Yu-Gi-Oh appeal. It doesn't mean it doesn't, but it doesn't automatically mean that it does, as the Thai Cobb proves. And for that reason, I'm just. I think gold stickers are, are. Have been degraded to me in terms of how much I would want one. Down to the level of silver maybe, but, but okay. I think this card's incredible. Let's go through the next couple. Now if Tony from Southern Collector is watching, I mean, I know you know Tony, I'm guessing, you know, he loves the same stuff. We have a 1948 Leaf Ted Williams card, a beautiful copy. It's in a PSA authentic holder with a 9 grade on the auto. Tell us a bit about this one. Yu-Gi-Oh I think even with the hobby going up, there's actually two cards that I sent you that I was able to acquire this year and this is one of them. When I love a card more than the rookie, this is the rare case where I go, can I get that one signed? So. And the color on this one, even though there's a crease, I'm like, there's no other Ted Williams car that I would want in my personal collection. I love the centering on it. I wish he signed maybe a little Higher. But I can't. Beggars can't be choosers. But Yu-Gi-Oh I actually Beckett this up this year. I was able to do partial trade and buy it and it's one of my new favorite cards. I love the 48 leaf set. David and I have gone back and forth about that. I know he's also for probably usually competing bidding on those stuff, but let me have the signed ones. I hear you. Okay. It's incredible. What I love the color and the registration is just bang on, man. Incredible. Like, look how in focus his face is. No blur at all. Incredible. All right, let's run through the rest of these. We have now a 1979 TCMA Ogden A's Ricky Henderson in. In a PSA 10 holder with a 10 auto double dimes as we call them here on sports cards Live. Beautiful autograph on this one. Tell us the story. Yu-Gi-Oh so as an auto collector, I do send in to the players through their signings at the National. I'm too busy buying cards. So luckily there's some great sites and people that are willing to do it. I just happened to get this at the National a few years ago and I was very lucky. I got two graded 10 10s and these are the only copies that have ever reached a 1010. I sold one on Heritage a few years ago, but with his 1980 tops being honestly out of reach for 99 of this hobby in a 10, I was very happy to go for the minor league card and it was, it was pretty cool being the only person to hit the 2 tens. And this is the one that I retained within my collection. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh it's really nice. I don't know that I've seen this card much over the years, but it's a stunning, stunning copy. It, you know, it is. So this is a nine digit serial, so it's a newer grade by psa. Not. Apologies for picking on your card a little bit, but it is off center. You see that to the. Well on the screen to that way a little bit. Does it bother you when a card is in a gem mint 10 holder, yet the centering is obviously not perfect? I mean, Yu-Gi-Oh I think this is where it depends on the set. Like generally speaking, this card is like normally at best 60, 40. And I think we're probably going in the 55, 45. Maybe I'm just being biased because it's my own card range, but with older stuff and knowing the set, I tend to be more lenient. I'm not with modern stuff. I. And again, this is Coming as a vintage collector, yes. I want it perfectly centered across the board, but in this case it doesn't matter. This is one on IAPeal Inc. I want to say it received an A and I think for your exact reasoning, the reason it wasn't an A plus, because he signed it perfectly and the registration is perfect. That slight tilt is what kept it down. So I think you bring up a very fair point. So my answer is depending on the set. Well, when you say depending on the set, the first card that comes to mind for me is this one. An 84 star Michael Jordan 101, which is often also off centered to the left. This one looks to be really well centered, like really well centered. Tell us about this. So we're looking at an 84 star Michael Jordan number 101 in a PSA 6 holder. A nine digit serial number. Looks like it was graded in very early 2025, I would say by, by the serial number. And a beautiful, a beautiful example of it. It has the gold NBA sticker, probably from back. I actually shouldn't say, I don't know when you have that adhered to the card or if you did yourself, but tell us your story about this piece. Yu-Gi-Oh this became very quickly one of my more expensive cards. Just kind of with what the Star Jordan has done. I actually bought this in a BGS authentic holder from Burbank Sports Cards in 2019 and they had someone come in, I was able to trade for it. And once it was that, he didn't know why, that it was just authentic. Like it wasn't authentic altered. It was just the, you know, normal authentic holder. I sent it to PSA and they deemed it a six and I was obviously thrilled. I did it as soon as they started grading this card. And that's why you see the older cert. But from everything that I've seen the past few years, again, this is where the centering is just it for this card. And again, I'm with you. Like if I could choose to have a better centered one. Now, this one is out of reach. But for other things, yes, I would love 50 50. But when I speak to people and people who know this set, it is one of the better centered ones I've looked at a lot. Mac, this is the best one I've ever seen centering. It's the best one I've ever top 5%. This is getting the top 1% Jay Lee sticker right now. I'm just gonna put that right on, right on the card there. There we go. You got, you got the top 1% Jaylee sticker on there. Now, if it could be like your, your head, I'd love that. Just like that is the sticker on the back? Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh that's what you want. This bald, this bald helmet on the back of your card. All right, Great card, buddy. Great card. Let's go through the last three. This next one's going to cover up the whole screen, everybody. There it is. It's a 1955 top. Sandy Koufax. The card grades a 2. The auto grades a 10. NBA gave it a gold sticker. And it's beautiful. Tell us about it. Oh, it's got an inscription, too. Go ahead. Yu-Gi-Oh I traded for this card, I want to say a year or so ago. I was just blown away by the centering of this one. And I just loved the inscription at the top just because there is so few of them. I thought this was, this was just one that screamed me like I've, I've luckily owned higher grade ones. But there's no, there's no comparison on this one for my collection between the inscription, the centering. Just a huge fan of the card. And Sandy just takes such care with his autograph. It's I, I, as someone, again, who collects autographs, like, I really respect, as someone who's in his 90s, gives that much attention to detail for fans and collectors. Did a great job with that one. All right, next card. We have a 1957 Tops, Frank Robinson. But this is a salesman sample card. It's in an SGC holder. It's labeled as authentic with evidence of trimming. I guess the bottom of the card seems to be missing a little bit. Topps. Of course, this, you know, this did not become his card. The image. I've never seen this before. What's the story? Here it is. This is one of my favorite. I've probably said this now for every card, but this is one of my favorite cards in my collection. I have never seen another. I don't believe it's trimmed. Besides the fact that they normally the salesman sample came with three cards, so at some point it was cut. So maybe that's why. But this is. I bought this in a Facebook group and like an oddball channel, I saw it posted. It's his rookie. And after I did research, I've never seen. I want to say there's two or three salesman samples graded by sgc. I don't think any have been by psa. I actually saw one of them and it was his normal image. So there's one more out there where again, that's graded that may look like this, but again, as I love hall of fame rookies and this is the image I wish Frank Robinson's rookie would have been because I think it's one of the most aesthetically pleasing cards. Yu-Gi-Oh I love fresh princess. What does that bat knob say? Looking for another Cal Ripken or Billy Ripken sort of a situation. I. I'm thinking, oh, there's a vintage oddball. Rick, did I hear oddball? You sure did. All right, final card. This is. We're going to move into the modern era now. We have a 1996 Fleer showcase, Kobe Bryant, class of 96 insert in a PSA slab graded as authentic and a no, no grade on the auto, but it is Certified by PSA DNA. This isn't a vintage card. Mac, what up? Yu-Gi-Oh this is, I think, where cards have gone in just pricing and values that my collection is so heavy vintage and just honestly appreciating greatness. I've looked to expand into other signed rookies, and when I saw this become available, there's no public sales ever of this card selling being signed. I want to say it's a pop two. I did not grade this one myself. I just felt that this was one of his coolest rookies and to have it signed. I have no plans of selling this in the near future, but this is one I actually bought at the beginning of this year. I saw it and I was like, I had to have it. But I. I can appreciate greatness. And it's no. 1. There's not many who did it better than Kobe. Fair enough. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Well, that's. That's the seven cards or so that you sent for us to look at. Fun to hear you tell the stories and to see what, you know, what kind of cards you are into. I'm going to run through some comments now and. And let's. So. Let's just go through that. So just bear with me here, Mac. Jacob Dahl. Welcome to the show. David Coohy in Muskegon, Michigan. How you doing, David? Piccolina the cat is here. I know, guys. Pickling the cat has. Has her own YouTube channel. Go check it out. Obviously, Piccolina's master is a fan of the show and of the hobby. Mike Petty says, both my friend's daughters just graduated from Ben Chapman's college. That's kind of cool. Very neat. Mike Petty. What's up, curmudgeon man of San Diego, welcome to the show. Mike Petty says Big Bry Carrot Top calls Mike Baker the OJ Simpson of card grading. That was. I saw that tweet that he put out there. It actually you know made made some sense in the context of, of of the discussion. Mike Petty also says I always like set like centered cards was just never as I was never an anal Eddie about it. There is a slot that goes into nice Yu-Gi-Oh appeal card. I appeal Collector says hi Jeremy. I only collect PSA ones. I'm very happy to own the card. My collection is better than ever. I love that. I love. I love that your collection is better than ever. Like all the power to you keep collecting. Skeppy says, what's happening? I'm wearing the Joy of Collecting shirt. This is, this is a just collect shirt from Layton. I got the national hello Orlando. From a collector's dream. Skeppy says they are saying 15.5percent etc of the cards they've seen and are likely to see going forward. That's not the understanding I got Skeppy. I I received a bit of a different. A bit of a different explanation but this one makes sense to me too. So maybe it's just semantics. Rugs says guessing was the word foul ball. Good evening to you. Orlando says on the cob. That's a run over by the truck car needs a minus sticker. Hello to Pastor Craig. Key killer 74 says my old. Yu-Gi-Oh your old PWCC stickers. I think people still who, who like stickers are still giving them some. Some credibility and some value out there. I think Kunk City. What's going on? The 219 says I can't fathom how that cob gets beyond an authentic grade. And Orlando says as well, definitely authentic. With a missing piece of the card. We would need to go read NBA's grading standards to know why. Because they may have a different set of standards than PSA has and that could explain why they. That might be the reason. We don't have to agree with it but that might be their reason. Tom Newman there will not be singing this episode. I'm sorry, that was only on Thursday. That was on Thursday night. You don't want to go back and watch me sing guys. But. But it was funny. Thorson, what's going on? Fresh Prince is with us as well. The professor says, has Mac heard of Bill Dickey? Do you have any Bill Dickey cards? This is a yes or no, Mac. Yes. I have a 1933 at grading right now that's signed. Awesome. Do you collect Ben Rice? I have a few Ben Rice cards but just basic rookies right now. Thank you. Hello, Bill Betts. David says Jaylee, I appeal service when coming soon David coming soon. Grunge says off centered PSA10s make me want to never buy a PSA10. Even worse off center PSA10 when a gold NBA sticker. Yu-Gi-Oh that I, I wouldn't understand either. Montreal Expo says, does Mike Baker have 2020 vision? I feel we should know that given the premium that comes with his cute. His cute sticker. I don't think that's an unreasonable request for the people who give Yu-Gi-Oh appeal awards, even grading awards. Although they might use magnification, which could counter a weaker, a weaker, you know, vision standard or whatever. But. So I don't know if that's if it's necessary, but I'd be interesting to know. I like Orlando says, I'll take a J. Lee sticker over an NBA sticker. And Tommy Jones says when I buy a Gretzky rookie opici, the first thing I look at is registration. Me too, Tommy. I'm a registration snob. Absolutely I am. Okay, a few more, a few more quick comments here. Orlando's thanking you for sharing them. Absolutely. What a great grouping. Mac from Yankees fam. That's Tony. 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