Is Whatnot Gambling? The Hobby’s Biggest Debate Right

There's been some drama in the hobby this past week. Unregulated online casino rather than a normal marketplace. Ebay lie. Like they're all doing the same thing. So I don't know if you can necessarily single out whatnot. Well, I mean, they're the biggest player, so you start with the biggest player and then it trickles down. Yeah, I don't know if you watched the World Baseball Classic last night and the epic game that it was, it felt like. Like it was going to be like this storybook ending for the US I felt bad for them. But on the other hand, like, I do love a good underdog story. Marsh Mattis, though. Finally, Clemson women's basketball has a pulse. We got a newer coach, last few years rocking and rolling. Proud of these guys. Both of them are eight seeds. Welcome to the Collector Nation podcast here on the Collector Nation Network. Whether you're chasing grails or calling bluffs, we take you inside the hobby. Here are your hosts, Ryan Alford and Brian Lutt. All right, guys, what's happening? March Madness is here. A lot of exciting things happening. College sports all around. And what's really cool is we're not just talking about the teams, we're talking about athletes you can actually collect right now. That's why we have on it here. Leonard Berry, digital marketing producer at on it. What's up, brother? Hey, Ryan. Good to see you again. I had so much fun last week. I said I gotta come back. Yeah, brother, I'm ready to talk some college. It's always college town around here. We're like 20 minutes from Clemson, so. And we got USC and all the other schools around us got some big athletes, big time programs across gymnastics, tennis, baseball, football, wrestling. I know we got some wrestling news today. Talk about it. Yeah, we do have some wrestling news this weekend for maybe people who are so focused on basketball. It's actually NCAA wrestling championships as well. We have some of the best teams on it. Wrestling cards. So if you've never collected wrestling cards before and you're interested in that, you could definitely check those out. But amazingly, in our Penn State set, we have six signers. All six of those guys are number one seeds in their respective weight class. So that's Levi Haynes, Luke Lidol, Mitchell Messabrink, Shane Van Ness, Rocco Welch, and PJ Duke. Every single one of those guys is the number one seed in their weight class. And in fact, out of the six of them, only one of them lost all year. So if you're a wrestling fan or if you're trying to get into wrestling. This is definitely the weekend, Ryan, for people to start watching wrestling. Leonard, let's talk March Madness, man. It's crazy. I don't know if you guys got a rabbit's foot or what, but all 12 men's teams and nine women's teams are in the tournament. Yeah, we got super, super lucky this year with the lace. Selection Sunday shook out 21 of our teams. In total, they're making the tournament. The 12 men's teams, we. We had one number one seed in Michigan, and then on the women's side, we actually have all four number one seeds, which is just kind of crazy that all of those teams work with us and we produce cards for the four best women's collegiate teams that are going to start the tournament here. You know, it's insane. And it just shows that you guys are picking the relevant programs, the programs that have the followings, but also ones that have programs that make them super collectible because they're playing in these end of year tournaments, men's and the women's. The. I'll tell you this, the women's product alone, wnba now with on it with college cards, the women's game has really stepped it up. I think the athletes are becoming more marketable. You've got on it, you know, promoting these players ahead of their pro career careers, whether they go pro or not. We're creating a soundboard in a, in a platform for them. And hey, they're all in the tournament. So before we finish, Leonard, who do you see winning these things in the men's and women's? Do you have any predictions? I filled out a lot of brackets, but in my number one heart of heart brackets, I'm going Michigan. I like their style. On the men's side, 31 and three. They got a pretty easy path there in the Midwest, so I like Michigan to go all the way. They've had the bumps, I think needed to kind of know what to do in these close games. And then on the women's side, I think I'm going to take UCLA. I know UConn is undefeated. It seems like blasphemy to pick against them, but the way UCLA ran through the Big Ten conference schedule this year, the way that they just beat down teams inside the top 10, I think that they are the only team that has a chance to challenge UConn. And if they meet up in the final, I'm looking forward because I think it's going to be fireworks. Yay. I like it. A bold going. Bold Leonard. I Like it. You could be easy to say. I'll take Yukon and Michigan. Michigan's pretty heavy favorite. I liked Duke personally at first, but then they got a guard that's hurt. So I think they're going to struggle a little bit missing that guard. I don't know how. If he's out the entire tournament or the first half, we'll see. I like Florida or Michigan in the men's, and then I. I'm rooting for the. You know, I'm going to get some. Some pushback, beat a Clemson grab. But I am. I don't root against my own state. I am pulling for the Carol, South Carolina and Don Staley, who I love. Again, Clemson people, don't be hating me. Don Staley's a badass, and you know it. So, anyway, always not really rooting for them, But I think UConn is going to be cutting down the nets again. If you ask me, they just look like they got another one of those teams. What's funny is UConn's women's program was down when they were, you know, finishing second and third, you know, in the tournament. Like, yeah, I think that machine's rolling again. Yeah. Sarah Strong and Azzy Fudd, probably two of the best players in the country right now. And the supporting cast that they have around Sarah's gonna be cool to follow because she will be one of those turning pro. So collect now. That's why you need to get on it, literally, because when she wins the title, which is very likely, I have that on good authority. Just watching them play this year. You get the cards. Now, folks, let's. Let's do it. Leonard, where can everybody find on it cards other than Collector Station? Yeah, you can find them on it athlete.com that's our main website. So if you want to just peruse through everything that we offer on the website on itathlete.com if you're into, like live ripping ships, we're also on TikTok and whatnot pretty much daily, Monday through Friday. That can be found at onit, Athlete, all one word. So if you don't want to open the cards yourself or you don't want to wait for them to get delivered, and you want that instant opening, you can find us there as well. Otherwise, you can find us online or you can find us at Collector Station if you're local to South Carolina. I love it, man. The sea of sameness is going on in a lot of things on. It's doing things different, supporting these athletes, supporting the school, giving you Something collectible. Whether they go pro or not, you got the best of both worlds. And, Leonard, really appreciate this partnership and appreciate you for coming on today. Of course. Ryan, glad to see you, as always, and thanks so much for your time. See you guys. What's up, guys? Welcome to Collector Nation here on March 20, 2026. You may notice something a little different on your screen. If you're watching. It's not me and Brian. It's not Ryan and Brian. It's Ryan and Bell. It is R B still. Yeah, yeah. Ryan and Bella. Bella Schaefer is our executive producer who, you know, we bring in. We. You know, she's willing to. But, like, I'll call her out sometimes, but she finally has a camera over there. What's up? No longer in my Heidi hole. I know. So Bella is the official diva of the hobby. I'm giving you a title already, too. Diva of the Hobby. Gotta add some sparkle. You know, I will admit there needs to be more flair in the hobby, so. I like it, whatever it is. I mean, you had your green on yesterday. It was. We should have recorded this yesterday. I think that would have. That would have been actually on brand for the hobby. You know, it would have been your green. The green parallel version of. Of Bella. Okay. One of one. If. If you get me to the National, I'll go, like, I'll pink out. I'll wear a pink wig. It might be affordable. I could fly you there while me and the boys take the rv. Yeah, you guys can slum it in the rv. Oh, it's not slumming, baby. Zach's got that thing looking about halfway there. I'm excited it'll be done by this maybe by the day before we leave. Yeah. Yeah, probably. Well, I keep putting him on other things, so. Yeah, we gotta. Gotta tease what he's doing right now. Oh, let's just say, look, we're here at Collector Station. That's where we do this show in the wonderful Easley, S.C. and our hobby store that's open to the masses. Everybody gets to watch us here as we record. And, you know, I have a back office that you have to admit, if some people would have done their office first, it's been the last project. Yep, Very last. Very last. Bottom of the check. Yeah, we got the studio, we got the store rocking. Looking good. And then now my office, which has. It's sort of just a door that goes into it. And let's just say you don't. Doors are boring. Yeah. Especially when they're just white. Yeah. White doors. You got everything else graffitied. Yeah. So let's just say we'll tease it with this. Secret passages are cool. Yep. You know, maybe it's a product of me growing up with the Goonies movie and, like, other things where they were like, it was the coolest thing ever to have secret passages. Hey, my house has one back. Back in Connecticut. We have, like, a little wine cellar to our laundry. You were the cool kid then. I remember going over to kids houses that would have, like, a couple of kids. I was like, I can't believe. I'm so jealous you have a secret passage in your house. I mean, it led to our laundry room, so it wasn't. It wasn't like, your safe room or anything. Honey, you. Your friend comes over and y' all push it, and it's like, look at our secret passage. Your mom's folding clothes. Literally. Literally. Yeah. Wasn't super exciting. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, it is exciting. There's been some drama in the hobby this past week. I. You know, I think we got to start off swinging with whatnot. And what's happening there. It took me a while to get my head around exactly. Okay, following. Is this a criminal charge? Is this a civil charge? No. We've got arbitration complaints. Complaints. You know, our legal system. I'm a college graduate. Barely, but college graduate. Own multiple businesses. I think by both measures, like, I feel like I'm affluent. Yeah. And it. I don't understand our legal system completely. You know, I mean, you can sue anybody over anything at this point, but multiple arbitration complaints, it's like, okay. And someone's gonna inevitably DM me and call me an idiot. Not. And that I'll accept that. But it's like. And maybe I haven't had to go through enough of this, which is hopefully a good sign. But filed 15 complaints against whatnot. Unregulated online casino rather than a normal marketplace. Which I think if you make that argument like, you know, any other streaming place, ebay, live, they're all doing the same thing. So I don't know if you can necessarily single out whatnot. 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Getting them to be labeled and I guess getting all the legalese and everything that goes with it and the sort of guardrails that we have to put on our society because we're all children. Yeah. And we, you know, we don't like to, we get ourselves in holes that we want the government and laws to keep us out of and don't give me the children. Well, yeah, I know. I'm just saying let's call spade a spade. You want an opinion, you're going to get it. And so we need to protect ourselves from ourselves with more laws and regulations. And yes, I know that Vegas and gambling and all that has that too. And in a way it is gambling. But I will say you do typically end up with some sort of asset on the other side, which is cards. Yeah. Versus the all or nothing. You know, if you spend a hundred dollars, you only get a 20 card. Yes. You were hoping you got a $5,000 card, but you at least got a 20 card. So you really just overpaid for something. What if you go to a mall that has Everything marked up double what really anyone else is because they've got a fancy brand name and they put money sort. Are we gonna start suing them too? Because they mark their stuff up. But they're gonna. But here's the argument. The argument is. Well, they don't have the repeat. You know, the ways they draw people in and the marketing and all that. And I don't know. I'd also argue that doesn't necessarily make whatnot the casino. It makes the individual breakers a casino or. Well, they're giving them. Yeah, yeah. This is back to the. Who shot someone, the gun or the person. So the platform or the. Or the people that are using it. So it's an endless debate. And I. I get it. I'm just. I understand in theory what this is about. And it's. And then it's like, well, if the casinos are going to be regulated, then why isn't this. But I mean, I will say in blackjack, you either win or you lose. You don't pay $20 gambling on blackjack and get to keep 5. You lose all 20. So in whatnot, this casino where you're trying to get the best card, you always get some cards that might not be worth as much. So there is a distinction here that you're trying to pay. And I think the bigger things, what they're trying to say is less about maybe that and more about the fact that people get addicted to this and there's no limits and that there's not this regulation and the government and our business, on every action that you take, the way it is on gambling, which I. I probably think it could use, you know, some regulation. But I mean, if you take that logic, opening a pack of cards is literally the same thing, even if it's like, you know, done in different forms of randomized breaks or spinning wheels. Like, at the end of the day, they're still just opening packs of cards. And so if it's gambling just because it's on live breaks, I feel like it could. Then regular packs of cards should also be labeled as gambling. Yeah, but you're buying a pack of cards to get what's in the pack, and you might get something great, you might win a prize, but you're paying for what's in the pack. You're paying for whatever's in it. You're getting what's in that pack. There's a transaction from money to cards in that pack, and you have to assume that it's not the grand prize. This. That Bozo the Clown isn't going to roll the grand prize bike out to you. Every time you open the pack, you don't get that $50 bill from Cookie, the weirdo who helps Bozo. And you know, if you're listening, you know what that is. You're an OG like me. The grand prize game, you ain't guaranteed to win every time, but you play the game and so. But you didn't win nothing. Vegas and most gambling, it's all or nothing. Yeah. No, this is a transaction for. You get what's in the pack, you get what's in the break, you get what's in the spin. It's something. And you're taking risk. You're taking the risk, but you don't get nothing. Yeah, there's a difference. And that's my opinion. Do I think they could do better than what they do now to maybe curb what this guy? I get, you know, 15 arbitration complaints. I have to get chat GPT out to understand every, you know, word in this thing. But, you know, it just. We could have a few more. Few more guardrails, but without like going overboard. Yeah, that's fine. And I don't think whatnot should. They're going to spend a lot of money defending this. It's going to be bad publicity. And I don't necessarily agree with it. I do. I want my kids spending all their money and getting lured into this dark seated place that is breaking. Come on. But I mean, that's also like, that's the risk you run. And if, you know, I'm sure they have the proper disclaimers and all of that when you sign up and join whatnot as a. You spend the money and you get some cards. And those cards might be great and they might not be, but you're paying for the cards that you get. I just don't think whatnot should necessarily pay the price for other people's addictions. You know, like, they're not telling you you need to spend this money right now. No, but we're built on a society that with great success comes great responsibility. And it's not wrong. I'm not saying that's completely wrong, but it's also flawed in its own way. Again, I believe in some guardrails. Yeah, but I believe in guardrails and not absolutes. And every case is different. This is not the same. I'm interested to see how this kind of pans out. I think it'll be interesting and it could also be an opportunity for other platforms like ebay live to kind of get Ahead of the curve before they get put in a similar. Similar situation. I can't wait to watch 10 seconds of Disclaimer at the beginning of every whatnot stream. Yeah, yeah. You know, or ebay live stream for sure. This is. Could be addicting. You may or may not win. You may or may not get what you want, but you don't need to keep doing it over and over again. It will lead to bad consequences. Okay, here we go. Now we're in for the break. Yeah, they should just have that. You might mortgage your house over these breaks because it's so addicting. This spinning wheel and these shiny objects, they're so attractive. I get that it's serious. I do don't. Oh, I need no hate mail. Oh, this is serious topic. I mean people are, you know, mortgage in their house or whatever. Okay, well then they need to grow up and you know, there maybe needs to be a few more guardrails and maybe they need to get cut off, you know, when they start using the seventh credit card. Let's just nix it right there. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I totally agree. In lighter news though. Well, I guess not for the United States, but actually I don't think this is lighter news at all for us. But I don't know if you watched the World Baseball Classic last night and the epic game that it was. You know, I really don't watch too much baseball, but this I did tune in for. It was a pretty, pretty interesting. I thought Bryce Harper was awesome and I thought that I was like, yes, like, there it is. Here comes the USA And I give it to Venezuela. You know, they scored in the 9th and I, it felt like, I don't know, like it was going to be like this storybook ending for the US I felt so bad watching the last guy like stand up at bat. Like I, I felt because you could just see the defeat in his face. You could see the defeat in the rest of the US Team's face. And I just like, I felt bad for them. But on the other hand, like, I do love a good underdog story. Yeah. So you're. You. Are you really that anti American? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But I just like, you know, like you could see how much Venezuela wanted it and so no, I thought, you know, who won? It's baseball and like it's, it reminds you of how much sport can kind of, I don't know, part this red seas of division and different things and obviously Venezuela won. But like it really is the great pastime and the great I don't know. Teacher of lots of lessons and different things that don't always have to be about war and politics and everything else. Yeah, for sure. And so I think it was a win for baseball. I think baseball had a really good pop last year with the teams in the World Series and LA and like now I think this is just another thing that's going to resurrect. Not that they need. I mean, baseball's popular, makes a ton of money, still the most popular trading card. But as someone that's gravitated more towards other sports, having collected baseball growing up, it is rekindling a little bit of interest for me. I think they need to keep pushing the rules to speed up the games and do things that they can. No, I agree for ADD people like me, but. But I do think it was cool. No, I think baseball is fun to watch. I watch when you're there with a beer and a hot dog. Yeah, I see. Another beer. I kind of am in a tight spot because I both pull for the Mets and the Yankees. Oh, my God. I know I'm probably going to get blamed for that one, but how's that possible? Well, I know you're in Judge. Yeah. So maybe it's I just pull for Aaron Judge. But then I just think the Mets are fun to watch and I judge too. I mean, who wouldn't pull that guy? But I'm interested to see how Bryce Harper's cards prices increase or decrease based on that home run. Because since they did, if it had been a game winning, they go up. Oh, for sure. But it's kind of like it'll kind of in. Unfortunately it'll be remembered but forgotten because it was such a huge moment. Yeah, but sort of. It lasted all five minutes. Like every other huge moment, a blip in time. Yeah. Kind of like hockey. Like, okay, the hockey goal. Like, you know, and then now it's kind of yesterday's news. Yep. March Mattis is here, though. I know. I can't believe we went this long. You know, it only taken a whatnot controversy and me talking about it forever to keep us from March Madness. The Clemson Tigers, it's all that matters. They're the number eight seed playing in Tampa against Iowa. Both women and men's Clemson teams are eight seed. This finally Clemson women's basketball has a pulse. We got a great new newer coach. Last few years rocking and rolling, proud of these guys. Both number eight seeds. And you know, I love Furman. I know this. The Bellows a Furman grad. It's a great, really great school. Really, like top notch, everyone. I mean, I don't know how Bella ended up the way she did. I mean, usually people coming out of there. I'm kidding. She's here for a reason. It has a little to do with Furman and a lot to do with her ability, but I will say they're usually kind of the little engine that could. Then they get to play UConn in the first round. Yeah, I know. It's like anybody but UConn. So I was a Furman student when we went to March Madness last time playing Virginia. And it was probably the most school spirit I have ever had in my entire life. Like, I felt purple running through my veins. It was. And I was giving a tour of campus and as the game winning basketball hit, you know. Yeah. That moment we walked into the admissions office and everyone just starts screaming. The whole campus erupted. So I'm a little sad that one, we're playing UConn because it's like, okay, well, you know, that's tough. And then two, it's at like 10pm on Friday. Like, you just stay up that late to watch a. Probably a smashing. Yeah. It would be the biggest upset in tournament history if it happened. I mean, there have been other 15, two wins. South Carolina unfortunately was on the other end of one of those, losing to a number two, if you like, 10 years, 15 years ago. But I don't think that's going to happen. Let me ask you this question. I got a question about Furman. Okay. It's a. At one time it had religious ties a little bit. Is that still the case? No, they haven't had religious ties since the eighties. Okay. Okay. I'm probably still relatively conservative, I think, like in the sense that we're in South Carolina and we're a small South Carolina school that's well known for education and all that. The fu shirts, I love them. It, it always. It threw me a loop the first time I saw it. I'm like, furman, I love it. But Furman did this. Yep. Yeah. Yes. You know, I don't know. Did someone just do that? And then they didn't really know what they did. And then you step back and like you make. You've printed 10,000 of them and suddenly everybody's like, you guys know, that's. So our chant is also F you one time, F you two times, F you three times, F you all the time. And that's like what we say like now. That was intentional. It had to. Okay. But I mean, it's Hilarious. We made it last March Madness. I think it was Jimmy Fallon, like, during. Was it Jimmy Fallon? I think during one of the talk shows at night, Saturday Night Live, maybe. I don't know. They were, like, making fun of the fact that we're fu and all that stuff. And I just think. I think it's funny. I think it's hilarious. And I saw it, I guess, for your. Like, a few couple years ago. Whenever Furman's been Little Engine that Could for a while, they made the tournament here and there, and I forget what it was. I thought, that is awesome. I can't believe Furman did that. But it's awesome. I mean, if it's right there, like, you. You gotta just. I think we should have had. And still have time, even though this airs on Friday. We were. We recorded a couple days before. We should have FU shirts to all wear purple Fu shirts on Friday. Oh, perfect. Yeah, I can make it happen. All right. I don't know if that's good for customers. It's like, customer walks in, this is pretty firm. And, like, not you. I mean, hopefully they know I know. Hopefully they know. Anyway. I had to ask that. I'd never asked you that. It was a great thing. It always flew in the face to me of what I thought of Furman, but it was like, okay, maybe I do like Furman. Yeah. And we also have Duke and Unc playing in Greenville, which. Not against each other, but I just think it's like, we have our grand opening weekend at. At Collector Station, which is wonderful. We've got some friends coming in. We'll talk more about that next week. But I'm glad that I also. I would have gone inside and watched every one of these games in Greenville probably, if we didn't have this grand opening. Yeah, I was. I was honestly thinking about that because I was trying to figure out. It was like, okay, how could we get tickets to the games so that we can still make it to dinner and still. But. Yeah, exactly. We guess we could have. We could have taken Baker and Brian to the game. We could. We could take off work tomorrow. Go to the games, maybe. Yeah, it's probably not hard to get tickets, right? Last time I checked, they were like, 90 bucks. For the whole weekend? No, no, but for the whole weekend. But don't you. Can't you stay? Or do you have to leave after each game? I'm not talking about, like, what's legal, but if it's like a day pass. I haven't. I've never been honest. I Don't know. I haven't been in long. The day or the whole tournament. Because we have games Thursday and Saturday. It's like 400 to go to every game. At least. I'm sure it's nosebleed tickets. Yeah, exactly. You know, not really nosebleeding. At least they finally. We called it Bonds. Course not. The Balance Center. It took a long time to get that off. That. That sponsorship stayed, but you didn't know it. But it was the balance. In a report, it was. There's no bottles anymore. But I was like, this is the greatest sponsorship ever. You get to keep the name even when the new sponsor comes in. Anyway, digress. Well, in other news. New releases. Yep, we got some New releases. The 2025 Panini football prism Black drops today as we're recording this, I just sold a kidney and bought two cases. Two cases. I only have one kidney, so I didn't jo that, but. So I can't get rid of one. Mine. I sold one of yours. You don't. We're gonna have surgery in a couple weeks. Yeah. Yeah, perfect. Black market, not cases. I bought a few hobby boxes of that. That wasn't on our normal release, but I got suckered in like most. And I think we could sell them, but it's a cool product and it might be the last year with license because tops probably never give it back. If I was them, I wouldn't. No, I don't think they're going to unless they get sued for it. Yeah. But anyway, it looks like a cool product that's coming out. Yeah. Yeah. I think they have a lot of. A lot of parallels that are coming out. Yeah. I want that manga and that color blast. And I'll take the Prismania for, you know, a nightcap. We also have some other ones. Upper Deck, Series two Hockey, Bowman's Best Baseball, and Topps Heritage Baseball coming out, too. So, I mean, there's releases left, right, and center. There's always something. There's always. And we've always got to hear at collector station. Got a few. That heritage coming in the upper decks. Series 2 hockey. We do not have that because we bought some hockey. Hockey doesn't move great in South Carolina. Shocking. Yeah, we'll see. Inevitably, this weekend, seven people ask me, why don't you have more hockey? I'll be like, oh, we got in the. The Monopoly prisms, the soccer. See? Did you see those? Yep. The World Cup. Yeah. Yeah. See, I think those are. Those are really cool. I like this. I might have to rip one of those because they want to see what's okay. Don't do it without me filming it. I know I've been hot lately. I pulled a downtown last night and you keep not filming it. I know. So I run the social media downtown. Out of one Mega box. I got like a number. I got like thousand dollars with cards. Out of one Donner Mega box. Don't tell me that. I'm going to. I'm going to make you be miked up 24 7. Yeah. Brian Thomas Jr. Numbered card. It's like one. And then his downtown. Ridiculous. And then a really cool Pat Mahomes. Scatter Boo. Scatter boy. That's what I call him. I got a pet name for everybody. You gotta. I'm gonna make your boys start just recording you anytime. Well, I know. Well, Nash and I've been ripping that B. Friends. We've got some good number ones. Yeah, and he's got to have a camera out. Hey, I took. I sent you pictures. Not the same. Telling you, hey, those super stickers, if you're listening, we got them. We're going to have them on the website. That's where it's at. That's a nice collectible. I mean there's a hit in every single one of them. Like every single one. And it's like excite. Like I like that. You know, I, I'm getting into the cards but the, the be friends, they tell you exactly what the hits are, how likely you are to get them. And it makes it so easy. Especially if you're new to the game or like just kind of like the excitement of opening it but don't want to learn all the players makes it so easy. I think if you're into like the character stuff or Pokemon or anything like. And I don't think you have to necessarily be a kid, but I think there's something for everybody. And they look cool, they feel very collectible. That's the, the biggest compliment I can give them. Cute. Like I. It is fun. The names and generally positive behind them, the meaning behind them that Gary put in there. So it's different, but it has enough of what makes it collectible. Like the other cars, the parallels, the numbers. But then enough that makes it different and feel fresh. So I'm excited to see what they kind of do with. I mean obviously it's a new. A new brand so I'm excited to see where they go with that. But last thing we have today, back to Aaron Judge. He just had a Bowman's Chrome draft pick auto super fracture, one of one sold for $5.2 million. And these records just break every week. I mean, it sold in 2022 for $324,000. Do we have that being flown in for me to wear as a necklace for the grand opening? Yeah, I'm getting a diamond encrusted right now for you, so don't even worry about it. Oh, good. Okay. I appreciate that, but, like, how that growth. I mean, you can't. Even if you invested in the best damn stock in the market, you're not going to see a jump from $324,000 to $5.2 million in four years. No, no. It's placed among the top seven to 10 most expensive sports court cards of all time. And he's up there with the Honus Wagners. Like, I mean, it's crazy. I don't know. I'm just glad I got a card store. I, I'm. I also think it's interesting because when I first was reading about this, I kind of just assumed, like, oh, golden probably was the one to sell it. No, no, fanatics collect. Yeah, they're trying to get in on the action. 5.2 mil, big ones. I mean, it. I can't wrap my head around some of these values. Like, I think it's cool card. I mean, I would have given at least a couple grand for it. I mean. Yeah. Not. No. 324,000. That sounds about right to me. Yeah. 4 or 500, that'd been a nice jump. No. 10X. Well, the part that's scary to me is like, you know, Aaron Judge is still playing. So what if. I mean, he seems like he's relatively healthy and a good guy and all that great stuff. Like I said, I met him and he was so down to earth, so sweet. But, you know, you don't know what's going to happen in the next five, 10, 20 years. Like, no, so. So you're going to make a 5.2 million. Like, where does the card go from there? Does it keep going up? Like, I, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. What's it make it more begs the question of what's it make other things worth? And there's a lot of people holding cards, like, in this territory going, well, what does that make this unworthy? I think one day you're just going to walk out from your PC and be like, well, guys, this card's now worth $2.2 million. Yeah, maybe. You never know. Might have a couple of them. But it would take more than 2.2. For me to, like, close down the shop, it has to be a few other zeros behind it. 2.2 doesn't go as far as it used to. You know, some people, that's pocket change now. Yeah. So we'll see. My tastes are bigger than that. I need. I need, like, that 18.5 mil and then I wouldn't really change anything. Buy a bigger boat. It's 75ft now. I need, like, yeah, I need, you know, like 200. I gotta cash in an invite to that houseboat. Oh, it's coming. The summer tours is happening. We'll be on the boat working, you know, one of the days of the week. We'll figure it out. Perfect. 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