MidLife Card Talk- With Ash of Legacy Cards

Foreign. What's going on everybody? I am here with my buddy Ash of Legacy cards. I'm sure if you are a card collector, especially a vintage cards, you already know Ash. And we've done a few of these episodes before, trying to do one every couple of months or so. Ash, how are you doing, buddy? I'm great, man. I am great. We me, well, Dalen, JB and Frankie just got back from the Midwest Monster Card show and we were in Detroit the week before that and that simultaneous weekend there was a show in New York that we were at. So we've been just, you know, busy and just trying to try to make things happen, that's all. Things are great. Yeah, I'm. Every time I turn around, you guys are absolutely everywhere. I don't know, there are times, you guys, you know, divide and conquer and you're on Facebook, you're on online again. If you are not familiar with their website, it's legacycards.net cards with a Z at the end. And you guys are really good about posting your inventory there as soon as you get stuff in. So if you want sort of a live look at the inventory, check out legacycards.net now we haven't talked in a couple months and so I have a lot of things that I jotted down. I don't know how much we'll get through, but I do have a few things right off the top. First, the last time I saw you was at Strongsville and in the vintage community, Strongsville is like a pilgrimage that we all hold very sacred and we enjoy that very much. And they moved it this year and the last time we talked on here we had a little bit of concern about how is that going to play out and what was the new facility going to be like and the whole thing and would it change. And I just wanted to get your take from a dealer perspective and from, you know, your experience. How, how would you compare the change at Strongsville and like what, what were your takeaways? You know, I, I thought it was still a great show. Lots of people, it seemed like everybody. It didn't seem like anything really skipped a beat to be honest with you. Greg. Yeah, everything just seemed kind of quote unquote normal, if that makes sense. And it was just a, just a great show. Right? I think the weather, it rained a little bit. The, the night you guys had had an event for Gosh. Anyway, the guys, the night you had an event, it rained a little bit. But I mean like other than that, man, it was tons of people. Everybody had A great time. It just. It made me think of what the national was going to be like, and. And it's just a lot of fun, right? It's great. Great show. Yeah. I think a lot of us were concerned that the charm was going to go away, but I didn't feel that way. I felt like the facility for the vintage part was a little bit bigger. The accommodations weren't as convenient, but they were certainly nicer. So, yeah, I was afraid we would. It would lose what it's all about, but I don't think that happens. So if you're out there listening and you've not gone to a Strongsville show, definitely, I would still highly recommend it. I heard a rumor that it's going to be the first weekend in April, which is very early April, and that's not confirmed, but if you're out there listening and you want to pencil something in, that's the word on the street. Okay. Next thing I want to ask you about, because one of the things that you are able to do for us is give a perspective that a lot of us don't know about. You're at all the big shows. Like, all the big shows. You are, as you know, everything is revolving around what's happening in the market, so you are as aware of what's happening as anybody. So my. One of my questions I have for you is, you know, we're 45, 50 days away from the national. What. What is happening differently? Or is anything happening differently from your perspective as a dealer who has a massive bo. One of the magnet booths in the building leading up to the National? Are you trying to buy more? Are you changing where you're looking to buy? Like, are you hoarding anything? You holding anything back? Like, do you do anything differently leading up to the National? Because I know you go to all the big shows, but the national is the national. Yep. So I'll be honest with you. The national is the National. Yes. And there will be some dealers that'll be like, I'm holding this for the national, and I'm doing this for the National. I don't know. We. We. You know, we don't hold anything for the National. I. I don't. Honestly, I don't treat the national any different than I do another show. I. Yeah, you know, whatever inventory we have, we're going to bring to the National. And, you know, the. I think my mentality is when I go to a show, all right, I got two days here, three days here, whatever the amount of days is here. Let's see what we can make happen. And that's just what we try to do. And so the same mentality goes for the national is, is we bring the inventory that we have available and we just do our best to make things happen. And that's it. It's, you know, and as far as the, the card. Did you ask me how the card market is right now? Is. Sure, yeah, I didn't, but I'd love to hear. Honestly, I think it's stronger than it's really ever been. And you know, maybe, maybe during the peak of COVID right, when stuff was just ridiculously crazy. But other than that, I mean, you know, I think, I mean you could just tell by the prices of things going into, in the auctions, right? Where yeah, if you guys look at whether it be Heritage, rea, Golden Mile High, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, all these other auction houses, stuff is just, you know, is, is, is going very aggressively. I mean you saw a PSA9 Jordan a month ago or so at Heritage go for like $76,000, which I think is, you know, that's, that's almost the highest price that that card has ever sold for publicly, at least from, from what I remember. I remember one in during COVID time went for right around that price and then they dipped back down. But if you look at the way things are now, it doesn't seem like things are dipping back down. It doesn't seem like it's a fad. It seems like it's more of a, a norm with the way things are going. Whether it be 52 mantles selling for a certain amount of price, whether it be Jackie Robinson rookies or, you know, it seems like collectors are buying things and they're not afraid to pay for something that they really like. And so why do you. I mean, okay, so that's maybe part of it is that collectors are willing to pay up for something that they really like because they're going to keep it for a long time. But, but from your perspective, are you seeing new people entering the market? Are you seeing like investors reach out to you? Because you know, you guys have everything, you know, you, you have everything from fifty dollar cards. I. And we could talk more about this in a minute because you, you guys have been doing a lot of selling on ebay lives, which we'll touch on here in a second. But you know, all the way up to like literally six seven figure cards that you're doing. Are, are you, are the people that are reaching out to you for some of the Mid to high end stuff. Are they, are there a lot of new people to the hobby or is it just existing people who are willing to dig deeper into their bank account to buy stuff? I think there are new people. Well, it's both, right. I like, so I've talked to people where they're like yeah man, I'm looking for an alternative investment. And you know, and plus I love sports card, right. So they, they love the car. Just like I think all of us, right, at the end of the day we love what we do. And so some people just have more money to spend than others. And you know, there's, so they're like, okay, I can, you know, I want to buy this 52 mana when I want to buy this Michael Jordan and I want to buy this and, and, and, and they're able to do it. And then you have other people that, that have money and they want to make sure they div. So they don't just put their money into the market or into real estate. They put their money into cards as well. But I think at the end of the day the bottom line is they, they enjoy the cards, right? They're not just buying it because, because, and maybe some people buy them just specifically as an investment, but I think a lot of people buy them because they like, they like the cards and they like, they like what they see and, and they want to, they just want, they, they enjoy it. I think it's a lot of it has to do with enjoying enjoying the cards and enjoying being able to have a Michael Jordan card or a Mickey Mantle card or a Willie Mays or a Hank Aaron etc, and, and, and just the, the joy that that brings. It feels like, you know, there was a time maybe like my grandparents era or maybe even my parents era where somebody that had some wealth would collect like art and they would collect sculptures or art to hang on the wall or you know, different types of, you know, wines, like expensive bottles of wine and stuff. And it feels to me like what is part of what's happening, like you're saying is that it's people that would have gone into buying a Picasso or something to put on the wall are going into a 52 mantle instead. Yeah, it, it feels like it has become a legitimate or legitimized like form of alternative investment. Like those things were. And I don't remember the last time I heard of anybody. Maybe I'm just hanging out with those people say oh, I bought this nice piece of art. It's. I, but you know, cards are sort of replacing that. I mean that's sort of just like an old person thing to do. It feels like. Is it getting harder with, with this all happening and with there being new collectors and new investors and stuff, Is it harder to source cards now than it was or are the forms of communication that we have now like you know, the, the Facebooks and the Instagrams and the online, you know, sort of stuff. Is, is it harder to find stuff now and is the co. Or, and, or is the competition harder to get the good stuff now than it was for you, you know, four or five years ago? I, I would definitely say there's a lot more competition but you know, hey, I think in, I've learned in life, in anything good, there's always going to be competition, right? When if there's any kind of success then there's, there's going to be competition because you know, you know, I mean people aren't stupid, right? So they see, they see cards that are going for that they see. I don't know. I mean I, I can't tell you how some of these people got into the hobby, right? Like I, I can, I mean like so I, I have a young man that works with me who's 16 years old that's been doing this for, for two years and him and his dad got into it. But then you know, he, he also enjoys baseball cards. Good at, enjoy. He's good at what he does and sure can that translate to other industries and stuff like that? 100 but you know, he, he likes the cards and I think that's part of it, right, is that people enjoy what, what, what, what they do. And I think that's one of the most important things is, is the, is that people have fun with buying and selling baseball cards and then they can make money. So you have fun buying and selling baseball cards but then you can also make money buying and selling baseball cards. And I think just like anything man, you sometimes you make mistakes, sometimes you, you know, and, and so forth. But also, you know, you like good things happen as well. And so I don't know, I don't know if that helps and answers your question, but I mean, no, it does. I just think a lot of people, you know, there's people that I've seen a lot of these youngsters, I can name five or ten of them off top my head that you know, have started off and you know, some of them may be part time school teachers, some of, or maybe school teachers. Like, I mean you're a teacher but you know I mean, one guy I know is a teacher. Another, another guy I know graduated. A couple of them graduated college and, and now they're doing this full time. But they've, you know, they've already graduated college and you know, what school or four years to buy and sell baseball cards. But yeah, you know, I mean, sometimes in life you gotta experience different things in order to, to know what it is that you want to do. And, and you know, so they're having fun, traveling all across the country, buying and selling cards. I mean, you know, if you follow Roth cards, he's one of the biggest modern dealers in the, in the world. And the kid's 20 nothing years old, right? But guess what? He's flying to, you know, Europe. He's flying to wherever there's a big show. China. It doesn't matter. If there's a big show somewhere, guess who's going to be in the building? It's going to be Rothkar. Yeah. And so, you know, I mean, I think it just, the, the, the industry, the business just gives people another avenue to be able to, to be able to enjoy the hobby, make a couple bucks and, and that's that. And you know, as far as the competition aspect of it, I mean, hey, you know, it's a good, it's not a bad thing. You know, there's a lot of, lot of great youngsters out here and I think, you know, I'm 51, so I think it's also our role and responsibility as older people to, to help and to mentor these, these kids and you know, just, just be there for them because, you know, and, and some it's easy to just walk by him and not say anything, right? And like, oh, there's another young kid doing whatever. But you know, I think to take the time to, to sit there and talk to them and learn about them and understand them and to, I don't know, you know, you know, as, as older people, we've made a lot of mistakes in our life, right? And if we can sew into a youngster and help them not make a mistake, then I think that's what the Lord wants us to do in the first place. And so yeah, I, I agree. And, and I know there's a couple of guys in particular that, that you have kind of taken under your wing and you can start this, you can see your fingerprint on their business now. And yeah, I, I, I think a lot of good stuff there now as a little bit of a follow up on sourcing cards. Right now there's been A little bit of pushback in the kind of content community about dealers buying from other dealers. And I don't know and I'm going to give you a couple of explanations or a couple of situations and then I want to kind of get your feedback on it. Like ryan Card Collector 2, for example, he does a lot of going to shows and doing lots of buying. And, and when you look in, the camera's on him as he's doing it. The, the show's not open yet. There's nobody in the show. Now there are some times that there, the show is starting to open, but a lot of the deals that he's doing are before the show even opens. And there's a lot of pushback from the collecting community of man, these guys are in there, they're buying all the good deals before we have a chance to get in the door. You see Jeff Wilson, same thing. A lot of the big deals he's doing, there's nobody in the aisles yet because the, the show hasn't opened. And, and you know, I mean, I've seen you before shows, but I've seen you during shows. I mean, I've been shoulder to shoulder with you at tables during shows, going and looking for stuff. Is, is that something that has, has been increasing more recently because it's harder to source cards, or is that something that maybe people are just becoming more aware of because there are cameras in the room when some of that's happening? And it's always been a big part of how dealers get their inventory. I can't speak to how. Well, I mean, Jeff Wilson, I could speak to that. He buys a table, right? So, and so he's willing to put up whatever it costs for the table fees, whether it be 300, whether it be $3,000, right. He'll, he'll put up the money so he can be in the show at a specific early. And so I would say to anybody that doesn't, I mean, look, I, I, I, I would say figure out a way to get it early if that's what you want to do. Like, like that's like, I can't, I can't relate with that question because guess what, when, when I was first starting and I first started to travel in 2021 and go, I remember my first Philly show, right? Where and Mark Mandel can attest to this, right? Because he, he walked around with me for two, three hours or however long it was. But guess what, when, when that show was open, guess who was in there? I was. And I made It a point to get in there early. And then I started to learn. Oh, I, I need to, I want to get into these shows. Why do I want to get into the shows early? Because I want to look and see what everybody has. Right? And so just imagine you can see what everybody has before the show then, then yeah, a lot of deals would get bought. I mean, but there's, you know, you got to get there early and you got to make it happen. I mean that's so just like you asked me at the beginning, right, how, how have shows been and what do you do differently for the. Or you know, do you do anything differently at the national than you do at another show and, and so forth. And my answer is no. Like I sure, but maybe a little bit differently at the national. I'll get there on Monday instead of Tuesday. Right. So I've been doing that for a long time. But I mean like, you know, just, just getting, getting to shows early so you can see what's there is, is super important and not to give away any kind of secret sauce or anything like that, but I mean like, or maybe I am giving it away. I don't know. For me, relationship building is, is super important. Right. And to, to be able to buy, and to be able to buy, whether it's the day of the show, a week before the show, whether it's being able to buy, if somebody messages me and says, hey, I have a collection for sale, I'm trying to sell it. I have, you know, this happened in my life and this is what I'm trying to do and this is what I'm trying to accomplish. I mean I just flew to Missouri on. Was it Friday morning? I think it was Friday morning. I flew to Missouri to buy a collection and you know, stayed there for a whole. Basically I got there, got to the guy's house at 10:00am we didn't finish till like 1 1:30 in the morning and I left out at 6:00 clock in the morning. Well, no, I left out his house at 4 in the morning. And so, so I mean I just think to. You just gotta be willing to put the skin in the game and find the deal. Yeah, that's, that's, that's really it. Does it seem like the amount of, of dealer to deal, dealer buying is more than it was five years ago or is it always been about the same as it is now? I just think it's different. It's, it's different because, because, because now because of the Internet. The Internet makes things different because there's more people selling online than there was in the beginning of 2021. In the middle of 2021. Right. I was one of the, A lot of people would post for sale on Facebook. But you know, I, I would go to, I started to go to shows and I started to post my pickups. Well, that started to gain traction. So what did I do? I started to do it more. I started to post my showcases, I started to post what I'm selling like in totality. And you know, I was, I think one of the first ones to do it back during that time. Sure, people posted their stuff and stuff, but I, I think I posted it a frequently and you know, and, and then I, I also posted my pickups and to, to, to the point where it became a rhythm to what we did at the show. Now you see how many people posting who knows what every single day. And you know, it's, it's because they're, they're doing, they're, they're buying and selling, right? They're finding deals, whether deals. I mean there's deals to be had everywhere, right Greg? I mean you look on ebay, deals to be had there, you look at an auction house, there's deals to be had there. There's private collections, there's like, there's just so many ways to skin the cat. And you know, I think being able to figure that out is, is, is always, is, is not easy and, and you know, you just gotta be willing to learn and just like I think in any business, right, you gotta be willing to learn and to do that and you know, to, to maybe people that would complain about that and say, hey, you know, these people are getting the cards before we are and, and so forth. Well, I mean, do what they do then. I don't know, like, I, I guess I can't really, I, I can't relate with that because like I, I'm not from the school of hey, you're doing something that's hurting me. And you know, I'm, and I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I'm going to complain about it. I don't like, I don't complain, I don't complain. If I have a bad show, guess what, I just try to maximize my show and whatever's going to happen is going to happen. And if I know I put in my best effort, then that's that. If I'm looking for, let's say a 48 bob feller and you know, Jason buys it at the Strongsville show before Me, but he's a dealer and then he wants to sell it, then I guess that's something that I'm going to have to deal with. Either I'm going to have to pay his price or I'm not going to buy it. Or I could have got there when he got there, did what he did and bought it the same way he bought it. I don't know. That's, that's, I, I buy from dealers all the time and you know, I, I could have one guy buy a card for. Hypothetically, I mean, you'd probably, you'd be sick to like, I, I make a lot of dealers a lot of money, right? Because they may get a deal before me. So if you get a card that's 20 grand before me and I'm willing to pay you 22,000, then you just made an easy 2 grand. But if I'm paying you 22,000, it's because I, I believe I may be able to sell it for more. And is the eye appeal, is the eye appeal piece something where there's value to be found buying at retail? Like if, you know, there was one dealer in particular that at the west coast card show, I was, I walked up and you were doing some deals at his table and you were picking some stuff out of the case. Do you see? Oh, well, yeah. I mean, that might be the comp on that card, but because of that eye appeal, you see an additional value above what the, what the, the going rate is for that card. When you're looking in cases buying directly from dealers, are you looking for the eye appeal cards? Are you looking for rare cards? Are you looking for underpriced cards? Are you looking for all that? I, I would say D, everything. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I think I'm a little different than a lot of people when it comes to buying because I, I buy a variety of cards. I'll buy eye appeal, so I'll pay at comp, above comp, whatever. For a card that has amazing centering or, or great eye appeal. I mean, case in point, there's a, I mean, this kind of makes me sick. But I mean, again, it is what it is, right? In November, I was in Canada at a show and you can see this card on my website now. I could have bought this card, the SA5, 1952 mantle. It's gorgeous. Like, you know, I, I encourage you. Well, I guess you can't shoot, you're not going to show the video, but everybody be able to look and see, right? It's a 52 mantle and a five. And at the time, fives were going for 150, 160, maybe 140, whatever they're going for, sixes were going for about 200. I bought two sixes before that recently for, I want to say under 200, maybe a hair over 200. 200,000. Okay, so the guy has the five and like, hey, man, how much you want for the five? He's like, oh, I want 180. He doesn't want 175, he wants 180. Like, that's his number. Like, hey, you know what? I'm not gonna buy too much money, okay? This is in October, November, whenever the Toronto show was. Fast forward to what's been happening the last six, seven months in the industry and to the demand of that card. Well, guess What? There's a PSA5 at memory lane. At memory lane. That goes for 231k. Guess who bought that. I bought that, right? And I sold it. Right? But so go back to Canada. What was it, a month, month and a half ago? And the guy's got the card. How much is the card? It's like 2, 40, 50,000. My goodness gracious. You know, I could have got this card for $60,000 cheaper. And, and now if I want the card, I gotta pay this enormous amount of money. I fought with myself, fought with myself. I left the show, couldn't get this card out of my head. So, like, I encourage you, right? I mean, I don't know if you got the computer now, whatever you do, I'll look. So just look it up on my website. Just type in 52 mantle, PSA 5. And gosh, the card is not centered, Greg. But man, other than it not being centered, it is such a rock star. Oh, the color, the corners, the registration, like, this card is amazing. So, so I said, and you know, hey, man, I'm very fortunate, right, that, that I have the capital to be able to buy the card. But I bought the card and, and I had to pay that much more money, way more money to buy that card. But you know what? There's somebody like, I couldn't get the stupid card out of my head. That's how much I liked it, right? Like, that card with the color and just the way it looks is, is just amazing. And so, so I just bought it, man. So, like, you know, I could have cried and like, oh, I should, like, good. Is that going to do? Like, it doesn't even matter, right? He gave me a price, I didn't buy it. It's on me, not on anybody else. The card could have went down and it could have been 130. And you know, he, he may have had it for 130 and like, man, I should have took the 180. You know, life goes on. And so I don't know. That's just my, yeah, I'm looking at the card right now on Legacy cards dot net. It's a gorgeous card. I mean, it looks, it looks like an 8. That's maybe, I don't know, 70, 30 centering, but otherwise it looks, it would be at least an 8. I mean, it's a really, it doesn't even look real. It's so nice. Yeah, it's a beautiful card. I have a couple more questions for you before we wrap this up. One, Pokemon, Pokemon is obviously exploding. It's a affecting, you know, psa. It's affecting all the grading. You go to card shows. I was at a card show this weekend and the, the show was probably 65% Pokemon and there were just tons of Pokemon people there. I've got two questions for you. One, is Pokemon good for sports cards, bad for sports cards, or indifferent to sports cards? So I want, I want to hear your thoughts on that. And then two, I've noticed in some of your postings that you're starting to dabble in some Pokemon as well. Explain the decision to do that in addition to your thoughts and whether how it affects the sports card hobby part. So the Pokemon part is all Dylan. It's not, it's, that's his baby. He likes it. I could, I could not tell you. I know about Charizard. I know about, you know, I know a couple key things, right? The Charizard PSA 10 Hollow 1999 is the 52 tops mantle of, of Pokemon. Okay? But I can't tell you that much any much more. Dylan likes it. It's his thing. He knows about it and kind of his baby, right? He's the, he's our pokey expert. And so if we ever do open up a shop, at least I gotta, I got the Pokemon part covered. And, and I think you're right, though. I mean, Pokemon is very, very popular. And I, I, I think it's a good thing. Greg. I don't think it's a bad thing because it's just bringing more collectors into, maybe not the baseball card hobby, but more collectors into the hobby in general that enjoy what they do. And whether it be Pokemon, whether it be soccer cards, whether it be golf cards, whether it be whatever it is, I Mean, it's your prerogative to collect whatever the heck it is you want to collect. Have a ball. And does it get mixed in with baseball cards? It does. What are we going to do about it? Right? Are you going to have a baseball card show and say no pokey dealers allowed? Maybe you can do that. But like, I don't know, man. Like, who cares? Well, I guess some people do care. Yeah. You know, I think as a show promoter, A show promoter is trying to get as many dealers into the show as possible. And you know, some promoters, I, I don't know, I can't. Again, it's not. That's what I could speak to is if it brings more collectors to the hobby then, you know, if it brings little Johnny, who's in fifth grade to the hobby and his pops takes him to a, to a, to a card show and he sees some pokies and he buys some pokies. But then pops looks at, you know, some 84 tops. 83 tops is like, oh man, I remember ripping those. Right? And he started. That could cause him to start to get back to the hobby. And so I don't, I don't think it's a bad thing. And look, it's br. If it helps bring families together, man, Like, I, I don't know. That's just my, my thought. I mean. Yeah, you know, is, is, is that, I mean, I don't, I don't see, see it being a negative. I see it being a great, great thing. And you know, I mean, sure, now if we go set up at a card show and it's 80 Pokemon, is it frustrating? Sure. Then we just don't go back to the show. That's all. You know what I mean? Like, if it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense. And if it's not for us, it's not for us and we won't go back. Yeah. And you know, but that's, that's on us to do our due diligence and make sure that we are, make sure we're, we're doing the right thing and doing what we should be doing. Yeah. Okay. Like, this is probably going to be my last question for you because I'm keeping an eye on the time and stuff. But you've, you historically had been doing a lot of breaks like super Megas and, and big cards, 52 mantles and you know, Jackie Robinson's and all that kind of stuff. And a lot of that you can learn about on your website, but also on a lot of your Facebook stuff. You talk about that stuff. It, it feels like, and correct me if I'm wrong, it feels like you've been doing a little bit less of those recently. It, what is that the case that you've kind of moved a little bit away from that and if so, why. And then I want you to also maybe tell me a little bit about the ebay lives that you guys have been doing and what sorts of things you put up for sale there and when those are happening. Sure. So as far as the breaks, I mean, we haven't done a super mega this year. I'll be honest with you, Greg, maybe we haven't done a super mega because last year In January of 2025, I could buy a PSA 5 mantle for a hundred thousand, 120,000, and now it's 220,000 and, or I, you know, so now a super mega, I'd have to put a three up and, and who knows what a good three like, a good center three is like 200 and some odd thousand. So. It's hard, man. It's, it's hard to, it's hard to. It's just not the easiest thing to, to do a super mega break with the top prize being $200,000. And then we have to sell spots for, I don't know, four or five, six grand and you know, I don't know. So I just haven't gotten to the, the, the price point of a super mega where it kind of makes sense. And I don't know, I thought about it. I thought about it. But honestly man, we've been so busy too, that I'm just like, eh, you know, maybe we just won't do it. And so we've been doing the mega breaks with the 52s. We've probably done, I don't know, three, four, five, six of them this year. I don't know how many. We're also, we've also implemented, we've created a website, legacy breaks.net where we have, you know, like earlier this year we did a smaller break, was like 160 bucks a spot or something like that. And so we're trying out some new things and especially trying out some ways to automate it so that way the back end isn't so rough on us because it's not always, not the easiest thing to say, hey Greg, you know, do you want a credit for your card? And if you want to credit, then here's your credit number, then you got to get back to us and stuff like that. It's it's time consuming. And so. So. So, yeah, that's. That's kind of. Kind of what that is. We. We really like to do the breaks, and we appreciate doing the breaks, and we appreciate the support that we get from the breaks. It's just. It's just. I don't know, just making sure everything makes sense. I mean, gosh, man. Within the last six months, so after the national, usually things slow down a little bit. And that was the direct opposite this year. After the national, things picked up and. And then they've just been picking up and picking up and picking. Like, nothing is cheaper now than it was in September. Like, look at the Ken Griffey Jr. Cards, right? They're what, six grand now? They were two grand last year, 2100 last year. Like. Like, that's crazy, Gwen. Rookies. But, like, you look at anything good, and it's gone up almost 100%. Yeah. Like, it's nuts. And, you know, people are like, when will it end? And, you know, it's gotta stop. And this, that, the third. Guess what. People keep clicking buttons and people keep paying. Like, I don't know. I don't know what. I don't know when it's gonna stop, if it's gonna stop, whatever. I. My brain doesn't allow me to think like that. And maybe that may be to my detriment. Who knows? But, you know, I just. I just go and, you know, we work hard and we make things happen, and that's. That's really kind of what. What we try to do. And. And, you know, the same thing with the ebay lives, right? So you just mentioned the ebay lives. And so ebay came to us and said, hey, man, they wanted us to. To do ebay lives. And they thought we brought value to the vintage community. And I'm very grateful for that. And so, you know, they're like, you know, we want you to start doing more lives. And, you know, sure, we could have went to whatnot and stuff like that, but I don't know. I mean, there's something, you know, you know, I think all of us, when we're looking for something, where's the first place we go? EBay. Yeah, let's see what's on ebay. Let's see what somebody's. I have a. Have. I have this card and I can't find any comps on it. Well, let's see what people are selling it for on ebay, right? And. Oh, there's no one eBay. Okay. So, you know, and. And so ebay is a very powerful figure in our industry and they've always been a very powerful figure in our industry. And so to be, to be partnered with them and help them when they're live product is, I think, has been really cool. And so, so that's just kind of what we've been trying to do on our end we go live. We've been starting to go live more often and more. Well, more often. And so we're like, right now we're about to go live from one to three, and then tomorrow we're going to end the rest of the week. Tuesday through Thursday, we'll be live from 1:30 to 3:30. And. And that's central time. That's central time. Yeah. And. And then we also do Thursday nights and we're gonna do a Wednesday night tonight on Wednesday. Sorry, it's, it's like a vintage night that they have. And, and so we post raw cards there. We post different kinds of slabs. It could be a Gwen Rookie and a nine. It could be, you know, different, different kind of cards. Um, could be, I don't know, a 1960 Bill Mazeroski. Yeah, you know, it's just a lot of a wider variety of cards that are, that are more affordable. But you know, we also, you know, sometimes we'll throw some mantles in there and we'll throw some Willie Mays cards and some Hank Aaron cards in there and, and, and so forth. You could check the listings that we have and you know, you could see on, on some nights we'll have pictures of the slabs and, and so forth that we put on there. So it's, yeah, that's, it's just another way to hopefully engage different collectors to, to get them to, to buy cool cards and to put cool cards out there for people to see. All right, if you're out there listening again, I encourage you to check one of the ebay lives out again legacy cards and then Also the website legacycards.net and again, it's Z in cards. Now I'm looking because they put up the interactive map for the national already and it looks like you are in booth 2004. So anybody out there that wants to hit up ash at the national in case I don't have another one of these before then again, Booth 2004, which if you were at the national last year, is pretty close. It's not the exact same spot you were last year, but the same room in the same general area a little bit more towards the middle of the facility this time. So check him out. There. Are there any other big shows that you will be at between now and the national that you want to shout out? We'll be at the Burbanks, I think it's called the West Coast Card show in July, the middle of July. There's a big show in Bastion at the, the end of June that we're going to be at. I heard that was a lot of TCG there the last time. I think Gordy was there and he said something about that. But, but anyhow, we're gonna be there and we're giving it a shot. Right? Those guys have asked me to come out for a long time and, and so we're going to come out and, and see. See how that show goes. And then in two weeks we're going to be at the Nashville show in June as well. So we'll be there. So we'll be Nashville. We'll be at the Boston show, we'll be at the West Coast Card show. We'll also be at the Dallas show. Navigating or, or. Yeah, we'll also be at the Dallas show and see. And so. Yeah, that's. I think that's it, man. That's, that's where we're, we're gonna be. And then before you know it, the national is going to be here. Greg, we're going to have another get together as well. I already booked a venue. It's going to be. Is it going to be at the same place? Do you know what day it is? Because a lot of, a lot of schedules have changed because the YouTube get together changed what day that is, and that threw a wrench and a whole. There was a domino effect of stuff. So we're gonna have a Friday night. Okay. Is that the YouTube night? There's, there's a, something that night, but we could talk off camera about that. Okay. Yeah, we're gonna have a Friday night. And nonetheless, there are a lot. There are lots of things going on and, and I know on Facebook you guys kind of mentioned that for people that are interested in, in hanging out at that thing, but anyways. Well, I appreciate you, buddy. I look forward to seeing you here soon and your time and your expertise and your inside scoop on stuff I think is really valuable for people. Historically, in our podcasts, these always get a lot of views which tell me that people are super interested in hearing what you have to say. So I appreciate you being willing to share that with us. So thank you. And if there's any last words you have before we sign off. No, I mean, thanks, everybody, for their support. We really appreciate it. We. We love what we do. So, yeah, you know, I'm very, very grateful for just being able to do something that I love. And, you know, it's. The card community is a really cool community. If there's something. Even if there's something going on with YouTube on Friday night, Greg, I think it just shows to the strength of what. What our. What our hobby is and how many people love what. What's going on and, you know, whether they go to, you know, the YouTube event, the Facebook event. And Ash just cut off. I don't know what just happened, but he went. He went. Lost signal with Ash there. So at least, thankfully, this happened at the very end and not halfway through the conversation. So he obviously just logged off. He. He got kicked off. So some sort of lost connection. Oh, it looks like he's back. And he's back. Hey, buddy. Hey. Sorry about that. That's all good. Okay. You were saying. No, you were saying that you just appreciated everyone's support and the strength of the hobby with all the things happening right now. Yeah, so. So, yeah, and. And I think. I think it just shows, man, that. That, hey, if there's a YouTube event, a Facebook event, what, you know, people want to come and. And kind of meet with each other and. And hang out, man, and just enjoy the hobby together, which at the end. And I'm losing Ash's signal again, so I'm gonna go ahead and wrap this up again, thanks to Ash. Legacy cards. Check them out. LegacyCards.net Great guy. Booth 2004 at the National. Check them out.