The Cards Money Can’t Buy + What Does “Rare” Really Mean? + A Jordan /40 Sells for Nearly $1 Million

Michael Jordan Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now Jeremy Lee in the building and every guest that you ever needed Sports cards after hours Keep the hobby heated Updates, homie talk like you never seen it Sports cards live one-of-one none could ever beat it Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now welcome to another episode of Sports Cards Live with your host, Jeremy Lee. David, you look like you have something you might want to say. I knew it. What, what, what's your, what's your. Buy it with my not wanting to sell price on your new Mickey card, probably 5x what I paid. No, not even. I don't think I'd sell them for five times what I paid. I think. I'll tell you what I paid. I don't think it really matters at this point. So I, number one, number one, my number one card which the price went up. We had, we, I talked to the vendor before the national and he quoted me, Yu-Gi-Oh I could probably not. This is not. He, he didn't. We had no deal. We had no deal. But I thought I was gonna maybe get this card for fifteen hundred dollars. And when I saw it at his booth at the national, he wanted 1800 for it. I was like that's, I think that's a bargain. I will happily pay that price. So. And then I remember talking to David afterwards, I'm like, you know what, like if I think, if I think that this card has the value potential that I think it does and this could maybe one day be a five figure card. Maybe one day it could be high five figures. I don't know, whatever, I'm happy to own the card. But if it's gonna ever like I, I think this card is, is a grail to me. It's a grail. So I don't know your question, David. How much would I sell it for? I paid 1800 for that card. Since then we've seen sales like since then in a week we've seen that card almost quadruple sort of thing in value. So does that take it from two grand to eight grand? So I wouldn't sell for eight grand. So no, I mean there's only, there's less than 20 slabbed by SGC and PSA. That's what I consider global pop on a card like this. I know it's not exactly, but so Yu-Gi-Oh I don't know David. 25 000. Maybe I might consider it even then I wouldn't want to let it go. Interesting. And I, I mean I knew that that would be a high number. But I know you have a Joe Jackson price, so I know that you, you know, you. There is a price for everything. Right? Right. These cars are not for sale. I'm not listing them. I'm not advertising. I'm not off. I'm not making them offer. I'm not putting them on Instagram saying, you know, come hard with offers or open to offers. I'm doing none of that. These cards are not being presented for sale anywhere. If someone comes to me and they come to me for my card that I've never put up for sale, you're going to get a price that you're not going to want to buy it. I did it. I talked about the Hank, my Hank Aaron the other day. It's a $10,000 card. I told someone, you know, I can probably replace that one 25 grand if you want. My, my card that you can probably go buy for half that. I didn't. No deal. I'm just as happy to still have my card. It wasn't for sale. And another aspect of this question that I like that I kind of have been thinking about what Chris was saying for people that never sell cards. Right. I know that I think most people in the hobby, and that's speculating, have a little bit of buying and selling to them most. Okay. I know that there's some people that only buy, but if you, if you always, if you never sell a card, then don't you want the market to crash? We all kind of think we want it to be steadily up, but at the same time, if you never sell a card, you are probably hoping that there's going to be a crazy recession and that cards decrease dramatically in price. Right. Because you're not selling one-of-one so why would that matter? Now you can buy more cards. So is that a healthy market for the hobby? Not really. But I think that the, the people that are so against selling or upset about the high prices, if that's what you want, that's probably not going to be the healthiest hobby in the world. Well said, Josh. Not a healthy hobby. Now, when you've got a PSA 10 Jordan going for $48,000 and the last one sold for like 4, 800 or whatever it is. It's. I think you meant 9. I think you meant. No, you said 10, Josh. I think you meant 9, right? No, it was a PSA 10 base planet metal. So it's like. Right, Chris? Oh, I thought you meant. Yu-Gi-Oh sorry. I thought you meant. I thought you meant Fleer. Sorry. The 97 metal universe base Michael Jordan PSA 10 just sold for 45 grand with alt. That's insane. That's insane. That's a base card. Yu-Gi-Oh a very pretty base card, but Yu-Gi-Oh a very, Yu-Gi-Oh probably the prettiest space card of all time. Like that's not a vintage, you know, like. Yu-Gi-Oh that's, that's, that is bonkers. Jeff Hart, any thoughts so far on this? That's a crazy price for a Jordan card for sure. I, I had a, actually had a PSA nine of that I had bought during the pandemic and I thought for a pretty high number and, and it, it dipped and I'm like, oh, you know, I don't know if it'll ever get back up to where it was. And, and you know, I looked back probably a couple weeks ago and was surprised at where, where some of these cards have gone. You know, the Jordan stuff, the base, you know, just some, you know, there's some inserts I like. I had one for example. And if you know the 1994 emotion, intense, really great looking card. Beautiful card. I talk about that card every Sunday night on the Fanatics Show. That card is a very high pop in a PSD 10. I think it's over 700 in a PSA 10. And because it's a, it's a thicker card, you know, very, you know, easier to, to grade or whatever. And that card was probably like you know, 500 for a long time. Last time I checked. I looked literally yesterday. It's at $5,000 now. Yu-Gi-Oh crazy. Absolutely. Absolutely. Chris Hoge, what's your second topic? What's your actual. Not your non. Pre. Topic. The main topic. The main topic is this. It was, I'll introduce it by way of a brief introduction or prologue because it was inspired by something that I saw when I was looking around Instagram the last few days. So not, not today, but I think yesterday, maybe a little later in the day Acquire announced the sale and published the price of a Michael Jordan card that is from the 199899 season or associated with that season that has 40 copies, 40 and the card sold according to them for just under a million dollars. And I think it caught a lot of people's attention partially because it's a major outlier price relative to what the card had sold for previously and partly just because, you know, I think people love that card and they're fascinated by that card. The card by the way is called the Molten Metal Fusion titanium out of 40. And, and, but, but the Thing. The, the. The conversation became interesting not because they posted the price, but because of how people reacted to it. It. And one of the most interesting pieces of commentary that then spawned much commentary afterwards came from an account called I think the Jordan Exchange. But it's stylized in a specific way. But he was pointing out a very, in a contrarian style that he felt 40 copies is not rare. It's not rare. That's what he said. Now he's coming from the vantage point of ultra modern collecting. He, notwithstanding his username, he made a pivot from Michael Jordan collecting to LeBron collecting. And when he pivoted to LeBron collecting, he initially says he started collecting cards that had 50 copies or 100 copies. But in the ultra modern product landscape, that just simply isn't rare by any one standard. And so he said he really focuses on 10 copies or less. That that's his focal point as a, as an ultra modern collector, that he felt like 40 is just way too high. Doesn't make sense to call that rare. Rare, from where he sits is 10 copies or less. And so that was sort of the ultra modern point of view on that card. But lots of other point of views chipped in too. So there was sort of this 90s collector point of view. The 90s guys stood up and said, well, actually, 40 is rare. If you contextualize it, the 90s was a time when for the first half of that decade, you didn't even have serial numbered cards. And for the last half of that decade, you had a few. And among those, B numbered to 40 was among the rarest in terms of how rare serial numbered cards were then. So in the context of the 90s is rare. And then they added another point too. They added a wrinkle to it. They said, and even if you feel like 40 is a lot, 40 aren't available, that these cards are tightly held and that 40 feels rare because it doesn't come up for sale very often. And like the. The empirical fact of that matter is that this card shows up for sale once or twice a year, roughly. So you can decide if you think that a card that appears that often feels rare or not. And then finally there was another point of view, more of a vintage point of view, which I thought was excellent as well. And straight away, it starts off sort of with the take that this is manufactured scarcity. So let's just start there. Like, let's acknowledge that this card having 40 copies was an artifact of its specific intentional design and not of collecting tradition evolving over many years. And cards, you know, not being cherished by children and being discarded and stuff. And then the, the actual population that survived, creating a more organic rarity. But instead they start off by noting that this is manufactured rarity. And then they go on to make a really subtle point that I think is an excellent point. And that point is when you look at like a Michael Jordan card from the 199899 season that has 40 copies, sure there's 40 copies of that card, but there's 250 more copies of that card in a different color, in a different parallel. It does have an undercard. It does have a more common version of itself with 250. But why stop there? Expand. Look at how many Michael Jordan cards exist in the 1998-99 season. That there's. There's actually millions of copies of Michael Jordan cards. If you look at just that season, if you include all the different issues and they say if you look back at something like the, the 1952 baseball issues, that sure, there's a few thousand Topps mantles and a few other mantles that came out, but it's nowhere near the million card offering that, that Michael Jordan had during 1998. 99. So if you take the perspective of what's the size of the full sandbox, even if we go season by season, that there's a totally different level of overall rarity. If we shift the frame and say what's the total supply? That there's a very different level of rarity that attaches to cards from the vintage and the pre war eras. Especially when you get into cards like the one that you were showing earlier, Jeremy, where there's a total graded population of under 20. When you start getting into that realm and then you think how many others even possibly existed within a certain temporal scheme that gets predetermined, then it becomes even more rare by comparison to the total pool. So I gathered these three different points of view. I thought they were fantastic and I wanted to kick it to the panel and get everybody's take there. This isn't a debate. There are different perspectives. I hope I made that point. There are lots of different ways to look at this and different era collectors look at it differently. What is rare to you? How do you define what's rare and then give a verdict? Is this Michael Jordan card out of 40, is it rare or not? Okay, way to lay down the context there, Chris. Couple of things I'm going to start with now. I'll be quick though. Go to the panel first. 1 is 40 is too many for this Jordan collector you mentioned. 10 is too many for that Jordan collector down over there opposite me, Chris Hoage. He likes cards that are numbered out of one. So rarity is subjective in terms, not subjective, but people can have their different tolerance for what amount, what level of rarity is appropriate for their collection. For the molten metal fusion titanium, which is serial number to 40, the real question is how many are actually in circulation? How Many survived is 4. 40 is likely not the real number. Similar to Star Quest Gold, maybe the most famous of a print run of 100 where there may only be 20 known surviving copies. So there is nuance there that I think you want. You, you know, is comes into play on in a deeper sort of analysis. But then GC asks, where is Stiff? I can tell you guys with certainty that Stiff is so rare that he doesn't, basically doesn't exist anymore. If, if anyone knows what I'm talking about. Stiff is actually hoj's brother. And I saw Stiff at the national there, Chris, last weekend. I know, and I thought I was, I was looking at someone I'd never seen before. I'll just tell you that the man is half the man he used to be, and that's in a good way. But Stiff, the old stiff is so rare, the old stiff has gone extinct. There's a new stiff in town. Having a little bit of fun on the rarity discussion, timing it with the comment that came in from GC here. But Chris. Yu-Gi-Oh it's great topic. And let's go around the horn. Would any of you, David, Jeff or Josh like to go first before I go in clockwise order and call on you for your thoughts on. And you know, let's start with you, David. You know why? Because you are vintage only and Chris is for the most part, you know, modernish only. So you heard what Chris's observations were, David, you heard what he. The takes. He heard the nuances of the discussions, if you can, you know, and David, like I kind of want to hear you. You can address the, the, the, the 90s because you don't follow it so closely. But how do you apply that to what you're into being vintage exclusively? So you know that, that number 40, right, which I understand in, in the modern and, and ultra modern terms is just so different, right, because how many Wagners are there? There's like less than 60, right? I think that 99% of people on the planet would say that's a rare card. Right? And part of Rarity, I think, has to do with how many people want that card and how many are available. And David, just to jump in that mood that you just moved the discussion from simple rarity to scarcity. Scarcity adds demand to supply for the most part. I think that's how I. That's how I understand it. Certified, please go, please. Yu-Gi-Oh you're completely right. And so does it always need to be in high demand for it to be rare? No, because there's these, you know, I always joke around these cereal, you know, these fruity pebble cards of alkaline that has like 22 of them on the planet and they probably never come up. And the reason why they don't come up is because they're probably not worth very much money. So somebody that's trying to collect that set, those are extremely rare rangers, right? Even though there might be a hundred of them on the planet, but they just. You don't see them for once every five years. Right. So I think that sometimes the higher the cost of the card, you see it come up more often because it could be life changing money for a collector when it is a rare card. Right. But to me, and I understand that one of ones and out of tens and stuff are more rare, but I'm guessing that this set doesn't have the parallel. Right? It's not like there's another card that's similar to that. This is on its own as its own card. Is that right? There's one undercard which is numbered to 250, and then there's the out of 40. And it's just it. There's just those 290 total. There's not a rarer version of it. The 40 is the rarest issue. Got it. And I think that's a big problem of the ultra modern, is that there's so many different versions of the parallels, unlike this one. So to me, I would consider that a rare card because I'm guessing that there's a lot of people on the planet that want one of those 40 cards. Jeremy, you're muted, buddy. It's really. Thank you. It's really interesting. I got, I got like hail going on here. So that's why I muted myself. But you know, you're coming at it, David, from a vintage angle where Rarity is driven by survivorship. It's by. By these cards lasting and going through all these owners and not being thrown out by mothers, all these different things. And it's so. The story is so neat. The, the journey these cards have taken is unlike anything that any modern card could ever dream of going through. And nowadays it comes back, that whole thing. Back then we weren't savoring our cards and keeping them. I did. But most people didn't keep them in great condition. Right? They didn't, they did. They didn't like cherish these things the way we do now. They cherish them, but not condition wise. They just cherished owning them because they had their favorite players on them. But nowadays these cards right out of the packs are straight into sleeves and top loaders and one touches and slabs and so they're all kept. And also in the world of breaking and televised breaking and all these things, these I, I think about the, the, the Zebra factor one of ones and the, the, the, the, the gold refractors out of 50 and the kabooms out of 10 and the what and the Prizm golds out of 10 and all these different things. It's like within a few months the hobby basically knows where they alt art of the product coming out. Or maybe within a year or two you basically can maybe find all the copies or at least a way higher ratio than you could in the older card. So rarity, I think, and scarcity, well, rarity actually is different when it comes to vintage and when it comes to modern. And when you're comparing, you know, 60 Wagners to 10 Prizm Golds, you think, well, the Wagner's not rare. There's six times as many Prizm golds as there are. It's just, it's not the same thing. But in the Absolute sense it, it certainly is. It really is. There's only 60 Wagners, there's, but there's only 10 of this. So then it comes to substitutes. It comes to what options do you have outside of those specific cards? Right. Do you need every single Prizm gold? Do you need that, do you need that 2017 Prizm gold LeBron or are you okay with the 2018 or maybe a 2019? Like do you need that one? So now you can look at you, you can kind of find other ways to grow that, that definite Absolute number of 10 to now. It's not just 10, it's not Absolute anymore. And now you get to numbers that are maybe bigger than the Wagner. Even the molten metal fusion titanium out of 40 where the molten metal fusion is at a 250. I think Chris said, if I remember correctly, you know that that is a substitute. It's clearly a substitute. A lot of people say just like 40. For me, Princess Leia was a substitute for Luke Skywalker. I might be the only person who looks at it that way, but I look at it that way. I'm okay. And I this is me as well. This is similar to my non rookie card thing where it's like I don't need a Johnny Unitis rookie. I can get a second year card. I don't need the Luke Skywalker because it's number one. I'm happy with the Princess Leia. We can all find substitutes to these things such that rarity doesn't have to cause us to spend way more than we want to on a card. So man, Yu-Gi-Oh lots there. Lot lots there. I think I just dumped and I saw Chris taking a few notes. I'm sure you'll come back with it. But we, we had David speak maybe before we go we'll go to Jeff next. But before we do, Chris, why don't you respond to that? Because I think there's a lot. I think there's some good stuff there, if I might say so. It was me that said it. I know that sounds a little full heady but. But there's some. I think I made some, some. I like the points I made exactly right. Jeremy. It comes to substitutes and that is sort of the thrust of the vintage point of view is that, you know, if you want to have Mickey Mantle's card from 1952, you know, sure, maybe the. There's a few thousand of. Of a handful of options. If you want a Michael Jordan card from 1998, 99, there's a plenty of more options. There's 65 different one of ones of his from that season. I know that number by heart. There are 65 different one of ones alone. And then you scale up from there. You've got parallels to insert sets that are out of 25 from Upper Deck and then you have the multifusion titanium out of 40. Then you have the PMG out of 50 in that year and then you have, you know, just the, the slam bams out of 100 and then you have bams out of 250 and then you have dozens more inserts that are unnumbered rare but you know, relatively. But, but we don't, you know, maybe a few hundred, maybe a few thousand circulation just from that season. So when you said substitutes that nails it. There are, there are plenty of alternatives. There are plenty of different ways to approach it. It actually ties into Jeff Hart's earlier topic, which is where that topic evolved to which is sort of finding opportunity in a strong market. Ties into the comment that Ruben made in the chat where he said he's finding cards at comps, at shows. So maybe there's too many people. He said, maybe there's too many people trying to swim in the same pool. So the alternatives or the substitutes, that's definitely a through line of this whole show. That's a great point. Ruben's comment. Maybe there's too many people trying to swim in the same end of the pool or whatever that, that, that, that language was, is so interesting because I get, I get really excited by finding things that other people either haven't found yet or don't care about. Like, that's exciting to me to collect a little bit differently. And a lot of people, a lot of people are, you know, not doing that yet. Some are. I mean, we all like what we like. I think everybody does collect differently, but a lot of us kind of aggregate towards the same cards over and over again. And there are other cards out there, so. But it really depends what you're trying to do, you know, because then you can just look at what's iconic. We have iconic vintage, we have iconic 90s, we have iconic modern. And people want to gravitate towards what other people like because they think it's safe as an investment when you're, you know, spending that significant money in investing. That's fair. I, I think it's a fair way to approach the hobby. So. Okay, let's go to Jeff Hart now for his comments. And I'm glad, Chris, that you tied that back to Jeff's original topic as well. But Jeff, your thoughts? Yu-Gi-Oh so I mean, just taking the 90s, I, I, Jeremy, I think you made a really good point about survivors. Now the question, you know, is the serial number doesn't necessarily, like you said, tell the story of how many are actually in PSA holders, bgs, graded, whatever it might be. And it's almost, to me, it's almost a head scratcher of why that is. It's like, did they not survive or have they not been discovered, you know, or have they not even been opened out of their original, you know, form in the pack, you know, like, I don't know how much of that stuff is still not opened, but so you, so you have to wonder, you know, will things just keep popping up and maybe they one-of-one become as rare? But as far as I'm concerned, I think the 90s stuff has proven to be difficult to find, you know, for whatever reason, the really, really tough serial numbers. And then from a vintage, you know, perspective, yes, of course, you know, survival is definitely the, probably the, the most common you know, reason for the rarity. But I think, you know, you take that to another level is condition, obviously. Right. So, you know, high end vintage is obviously the, you know, can be extremely rare, but it also can be extremely expensive and not affordable, you know, for the average collector. So like we have to look at those other options. And I think, you know, this is not a topic that's new to anybody here, but we haven't mentioned it yet. Is another level of rarity, I think is twofold. One is Yu-Gi-Oh appeal. Right. So you have a card that could be very, you know, either lower grade or even higher grade, but it just presents way better. And like actually beautifully presented examples of a specific card in general which may have, you know, certain flaws can just make it rare and more desirable. And I think also, you know, for some people, adding an autograph, you know, to specific cards, especially if the, if that player is no longer, you know, with us, I think is another level of rarity as well. Yu-Gi-Oh thank you. Well, well, Yu-Gi-Oh well said, Jeff. And know you talked about 90s there and you talk about the rarity of 90s different than vintage. And then I think about the card that Josh got that I just showed on this, I flashed on the screen there, which is numbered to 63, I believe. Josh, you're after 63. Fleer baseball. Yu-Gi-Oh he Beckett up that Frank Thomas. He, he said they never come up. Like Josh is a Frank Thomas guy in Chicago. Needed that card for a long time. I think you mentioned to me you were looking AT card for 10 years and you finally found it. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh At the national. So print run. Doesn't always equate to rarity. Certainly doesn't equate to scarcity. Almost has nothing to do with it. Well, less than it does rarity. But rarity is very, very case dependent, I think. And then while we're talking about Josh and Frank Thomas, Chris has a question here for Josh. He says, I just brought a few Frank Thomas cards that are nice inserts for cheap. Bonds and Griffey Jr have skyrocketed. Frank Thomas seems undervalued or am I mistaken? Jesse did respond though and say Thomas is rising, but not as much as Griffy and Bonds. What is your take on that, Josh? I hope Thomas stays undervalued and cheaper because I can buy more of them. So even keep the price down is fine with me. Keep the price down. We got Jay from Mojo in the chat. Jay, what is up? Thank you for dropping in as you regularly do. Jay, welcome. Good to see you at the national as well. And as always, Upstate says guys like and subscribe to help the channel. Thank you. Our friend at Upstate Sports Cards welcome Joe back to the. To the stage, everybody, please. And Joe, you didn't say it gets out of Josh and Chris earlier. Hey guys, good to see you. Great conversation. I feel like I'm coming in. It's like the, when you, you jump in into A, a 6 to 8 foot squell and like things are happening. You just got to get your bearing. So keep on cooking. Have you been listening, Joe, to the last bit you while you were away? Yep. Yep. Anything comments you want to make on this rarity scarcity topic that we're having? I mean a lot of levers that you guys are bringing up that aren't immediately in my mind. So I, I'm deferential to that. I, I tend to think like you said, Jay Lee, kind of like the float or what's actually available so often. I mean, Chris knows this with like the Upper Deck reflections. Jordan, you know, it might be numbered to. What is that card number? Two, A hundred or something. And it's actually like, I think there's you know, maybe 18 or 22 in the pop, at least in the, in the PSA. So it's like a lot of times you just don't know what happened to the cards. That said, I've been trending a little bit more towards just the straight up one of one. And once you get that framework, it's hard to come back to 40 or 50 or even 30. So I don't know. Not, not, not that I'm exclusive, but, you know, my curry gold vinyl has shifted my perspective in terms of rarity. Rodeo Joe, everybody. Rodeo Joe. It's funny how you can. This is like, this is like George Jefferson down here. You know, it's like straight up to the penthouse here from, from Beater Joe to Rodeo Joe. I love it. I love it. You know, here's actually Mojo J. Put a question in the chat. We'll go, we'll go around the horn quickly because we were talking about something similar earlier. He asks what's each of your. No matter what, you one-of-one sell the card. It is PC for life. And we'll start with. Well, we'll go around. We'll start with Dave. We'll go clockwise. We'll start with you, David. What is your. No matter what, you one-of-one sell the card. It is PC for life. This is going to make me look like such a jerk, but I don't think I Have one. I. I think that there could be a scenario where I could find that same version in a better way. Either lower grade. That looks nicer, and I can give up my specific copy. I will not give up my copy until I found another one. But, like, my. Probably my favorite Card is my Topps. Jackie. That's a PSA two and a half. That is spectacular. If I found a one that even looked better than that, I could give up that specific card. You know what? I. I don't know. I'm. I'll speak a little bit for Mojo, because to me, that. That's not. That's not the. That's not an answer. Because you still want to copy the card. So. So I think. Right. Like, you might. What card do I need to keep? No matter what? I think that's a fair way that I think that's kind of what Jay means. It's not like, you know, Yu-Gi-Oh I have a lot. Then I have a lot of them. 48 Leaf. Jackie. Topps. Jackie, Bill Russell, rookie. Those are like three at the top of my list that I love my cards and I love my copies that I want to keep forever. You always want to own a copy. How about you, Jeff Hart? I would. I would probably say my Bill Russell rookie card, but with an autograph from his playing career, early days, which he didn't sign very many at all, probably maybe even in the single digits. So I feel like it's something that I'll never be able to replace if I ever sold it. I love that. Yu-Gi-Oh Autograph, Bill Russell. That's hard to argue with Chris Hoag. Yu-Gi-Oh I've got an answer. It's a little bit tailored to the question asker. I think he'll appreciate this specific answer. It's a little bit of a cheat too, but whatever my answer is, the card that I think would. I would probably never sell is a base card, a 2018 Prizm base card of Luka Doncic, of which there are hundreds of thousands, maybe millions. But this one's special because Christina and I brought it to the first time we ever watched Luca play. We lived in Los Angeles at this time. We went to see him play against the Clippers. It was actually Dirk Nowitzki's last game, either at Staples or against the Clippers. And there was a viral moment when Doc Rivers grabbed the mic and gave him a nice send off. So, you know, that game is sort of like part of Mavericks lore. But one-of-one that was the first time we ever watched Luca play. I remember watching him for the first five minutes of the game and just being like, yep, this I'm sold. This guy is spectacular. And so before the game, we actually got a tip from. From a friend of ours that we had met at Burbank Sports Cards who said, if you want to get Luca's autograph, here's what you got to do. And he gave us all the directions. And so. So we showed up early, we followed the directions, and you know what? We got the card signed. So I have the card with the in person autograph from Luca. That's what I think Jay would appreciate. And then I have the ticket stub from the game. This was for. This was in early 2019, when there were still ticket stubs going around. So I had the tickets. I have the ticket stub. I have the card. I have it authenticated by psa, not that it needed to be, but I just like to put it into the holder. And so, you know, I've got the whole thing. I've got, like, the card, the stub, the experience, the moment. I just can't imagine a scenario when I would sell that car. Jeremy. So I think that's it. Great story. I think Mojo was hoping you were going to talk about the card that you are actually on, which is an. Which is awesome. I would never sell that one because it's worthless. So no need to sell that one. I want a copy. I want. That's the Chris Hoage officially licensed rookie card. I want a copy of it. Joshua Adams, how about you? Yu-Gi-Oh I don't know. I think I sell anything, so I don't really. That Nothing really comes to mind. Like, you know, I'm not really selling stuff off, so I'd probably just keep everything, so. Can't really think of an answer to that question. Everything. He's keeping them all. Joe Perot, what about you? Well, actually, I'm going to interpret the question and sort of more of the kind of never sell part, not so much grail, although it is a grail. And I had the opportunity to talk to Dr. Beckett a little bit about it. The 1955 Tops Clemente, which is also one of his favorite cards. Awesome to get to meet a hobby luminary over there in Chicago at the YouTube party. But one-of-one Yu-Gi-Oh that 1955 tops I bought when I was about 15 years old. And for those some of you on this screen, that was before you were even alive. So I think I got it for about 95 bucks at a trade show in Concord, California. It sits in a BVG 2.5 slab. It presents pretty well for a 2.5. And it's a card that has so much personal connection, having traveled with me the greater part of, you know, four decades, that I don't see myself parting with that love. The love. The answer makes a lot of sense to me. I think that you guys are going to be surprised by my answer because my original thought was, no, I'm just going to show you the. I have four cards that I. I never going to be moving these four cards. They seem to have something in common. What is it? What is it? David Chase. What do they have in common? I just love beautiful holders. I love how it pops. These four cards will never leave my collection. We've got the Superman number one. We've got. We've got the Pierre Picard Pirates of the Spanish Main right here. Beautiful gift that I got from my good buddy Greg Miller. Midlife cards. We've got my Babe Ruth number 53 and Joe DiMaggio 41 play ball. Four of my favorite cards. I don't see myself ever selling any of them. And if I did, I would have to replace them. Like, I will. I will never not own these four cards. Pretty much like. And if someone pays my not for sale price, I will take that. Those proceeds and just go buy another one. Like, that's what an offer sale price is. It allows you to replace the card and get several more cards. So these four cards, I love them all so very much. I love them. I got. Oh, I love you guys. You're kissing the holders. I'm surprised that you would kiss those holders, Jeremy. That's what they're in. What can I do? That's what they are. I bought. I love them. Would you ever cross them over? Would like. Would that Ruth ever find its way into a different slab? We've talked about this. You know, I'm not crossing them over. I mean, who knows? Maybe one. I can't. Never say never. Never say never. So. Because you one-of-one do that, and I know you don't want to pay money to have those graded with the companies to make them more uniform to your collection, which you've made clear on the hangover. What if you ended up finding like a nice 41 play ball DiMaggio that was as appealing as that card. Would you be more willing to buy that card and then sell. Sell your version because it's in the right slab? Yu-Gi-Oh Yes, I would. To get uniformity. I would. Of course I would. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh If I like the. I have to like the card at Least as much as I like this copy. And then, you know, I'd one-of-one I'd hopefully be putting money in my Beckett too so I can go buy more cards. Right? Like that's hopefully what. And I was just recently, actually Leighton messaged me the other day. He's like, did you ever find a 4 to 1 play ball DiMaggio? I'm like, yes, I did, but show me what you got, you know. And he sent me a copy of a card and it was nice. I'm like, I don't like it as much as I like mine, so I'm not willing to that move. So are those four cards, when you're like shopping at the national and looking at all of the cases, are they more on your radar because they're on SGC slabs when you're looking at each copy? Not really. No. No, they're not. They're not. I'm not looking. I'm not, I'm not looking to, to change anything about these four cards that are in my collection. I love them. I love these cards and Yu-Gi-Oh I just do. I love them. Now, Jeremy, I know you said that, you know, you wouldn't want to necessarily cross from the PSA because obviously, you know, it's, there's an expense to that. But also you're not necessarily guaranteed maybe the grade. Right. That it's in the holder or the authentic or the authenticity. Right. But I saw, I think I saw a baker sticker in at least one of those slabs and with, with a sticker on that that basically says that it could be crossed over to equivalent to the baker grade in the baker new baker holder. Would you ever do that? Not right now, but maybe. I don't know. I mean, that would just add more variation to my overall collection. And now I'm going to move from having psa, bgs and SGC slabs and I'm just talking vintage here right now. Now I'm adding NBA to the mix too. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Not right now. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not letting anyone touch my cards with their bare hands, you know, take them out of my, my holders at this point. So. No, right now. Nope. I can't believe we haven't talked about the whole SGC thing. And by the way, I'm just trying to drive down the prices of SGC cards because like someone said I'm a, I'm a, I'm a. Yu-Gi-Oh like, like Jim said, I'm a closet SGC Zebra Collector. I'm trying to buy more. I'm. I'm. 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