The Football Card Podcast #48: The Future of Football Card Culture Starts Here

Foreign. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the fastest growing podcast in the world centered around football cards and football cards. It is the Football Card Podcast hosted by my good friend John at Pac Nicholson here on the Stacking Slabs Network. We are fired up. Schedules are here. The NFL PA Rookie premiere has gone underway. We've got passionate collectors who are interested in talking football cards with us. And so that is what we do. We spend this time each week talking about different topics, highlighting cards and sharing some passion around a category that, that we love. We are here, episode 48. Make sure you're following us at the Football Card pod on the Instagram machine and shout out card ladder, the official sponsor of the Football Card podcast and the official data provider of the broader Stacking Slabs network. If you want to show your support for Stacking Slabs, hit the follow button. Tell a damn friend. Run on over the Patreon group. The Football Card Podcast is here. We're ready. Hello and welcome to the Football Card Podcast. This is it. You made it. It is Friday and you're listening to the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly, football cards. I'm Your host, John aka Pack Nicholson, and with me, as always, is Brett, Mr. Stacking Slabs himself. Brett, how you doing? I'm well, we've got, you know, right before we started recording, I had a tree cutting truck just roll up right in front of my house. So there's just some wood being destroyed through this mechanism. There's a guy with a freaking chainsaw outside my house. And so it's, it's chaotic. But I think we're going to get the audio organized in a way that sounds like you can't hear it and just more distracting to me. But yeah, man, it's like, I'm like, it's Memorial Day week here in Indianapolis. It's the 500. I know we're starting our engines, but I don't need to be, I don't need those engines to be starting outside my house when I'm trying to record the Football Card podcast. That's where I'm at right now. The audio sounds great, but from a distraction standpoint, this is like when, you know, people are sitting courtside dressed crazy or something like that. And, you know, how do you, how do you keep your mind focused on the game amidst all these distractions? Like, this is going to, this is going to be a tough, tough performance for you. It will be, we'll be, we'll manage through. I gotta, like, do you have any. It's hard to describe if you're not from here or around here, but just the month of May in Indianapolis and it taking over and the race, the chaos that is the race, everything in between. Do you have any race day plans, John? I'm actually going to be going to the race this year. Let's go. For the first time since 2013. 2012. 2012. Yeah. 2011. And 2012, I think, is the last time I went. I've been twice in my life in college. This year, though, I'm going. One of my good friends, his good friend, like, does it. They get a whole bus. They have like the. They have it dialed in. They do the same thing every year with this big group on a bus. But my friend's wife is very, very pregnant, so she's not going. So I'm swooping in to be his plus one on this trip. So coming out of Indy 500 retirement, I will be there this weekend. Kind of nervous. It's been a. It's been a long time. And the last time I went, I was. Yeah, in college. So it. This will be a different experience. This will be a more elevated experience. I'm not going to be in the infield, debaucherous infield, doing bad things. I'm gonna. I'm. I'm a grown man now. You're a grown man until you get there and you see the snake pit rolling, you see the pops getting going. The change. The most plan. Yeah. The chase. You see the most absurd stuff. And I've been to a lot of sporting events across the country, and nothing comes even close to topping the 500. That the sea of humanity walking on Georgetown into that monstrosity is a sight to behold. So it is a special time in Indianapolis. And if you are going to the race, everyone be safe. Hopefully put on your sunscreen, you get the extra day to sleep in a little bit. Memorial Day. But, yeah, I will not be going. I had quite the stretch. It was like once we started having babies and it just became more complicated and they started televising it here locally, not blacking it out. So I'll be in the friendly confines in the. In the AC watching the coverage. But there's nothing like getting out there. You got to get a turkey leg. That's all I'm saying. I didn't know that that's a thing. Turkey legs. I'm g. I think you got to get it. If you. If you walk by and you see some smoked turkey, go. Go buy a. Be a caveman. For a little bit and chomp on a turkey leg, you won't regret it. That's like a thing that the track does or just people, vendors, byots. Yeah, you'll see the vendors out there. You know, it's like the race has everything. It's got. You've got the. It's like a car. It's like the biggest carnival of all time. You just got carny happening. You got people sleeping in the coke law. You've got, you know, absolute debauchery everywhere. I celebrated my 21st birthday in the Coke lot. I spent the night at midnight on race day morning, I turned 21, and it was. I felt like a king, you know, because they had the pizza guys coming around and all my friends were buying me whole pizzas of Domino's. Like, I had a drink in my hand every moment of the day. I just. I felt like the mayor of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway when I was 21. It was awesome. Wow. That's. That's. You wouldn't last a day in the asylum in which they raised me. It's kind of bad. I was born in the darkness. I turned 21 at the. In the Coke Law of the Indy 500. Yeah, you can do anything. You can conquer anything. You can't. You can. So, yeah, shout out to everyone. Happy Memorial Day weekend. Yeah. Pools are opening. Pools are opening. It is summertime, Although we've had some weather here. It was hot and cold and rainy, but I guess that's Indianapolis for you. Hopefully we get through race day without any rain. Yeah, that's all. That's all I need. I don't need any delays. I can tolerate heat. I can. I can deal with all that. Just. I don't need extra three hours at the track is how I'm feeling. It's already going to be. But, yeah, best of luck to you. I. I'll be thinking about you when I'm watching the race. It'll be. It's. It's an effort, but it's a lot of fun. So you enjoy that. I wonder how much it is to get a football card podcast logo on one of these cars. What's the cheapest? Cheapest Offering the smallest, you know, pixel by pixel unit that we could get on one of these cars. I bet we could pull it off. I bet it's not crazy or something. I'm talking small. Yeah, I know. It's so. At a previous company that I worked for, we sponsored Andretti. And it wasn't cheap, I can tell you that much. But it wasn't like a pick small. It was like. But it wasn't the biggest. It was a pretty substantial. But you get access. Like the drivers would come to HQ and sign autos and do all that. And you get invited to their headquarters for their big party. So there's a lot of benefits. But I remember, I mean, these guys, this is how they make their money. I mean they. And they make a ton of it. So maybe if we can triple our audience. So this is. We're asking you, the listener of the Football Card podcast, if you could tell your damn friends that you're enjoying the pod and we can triple this audience by May of 2027. Then we can maybe start talking to some of these racing teams because that would be, that would be off the hook. All right. The AI overview is telling me 50 to 100k is the starting point for like a small little sticker on a wing. Wow. Can you imagine football car thought on the. On an Indy 500 car. Just doesn't make sense. Not our audience at all. But hey, it'd be fun. It'd be fun. All right. Episode 48. This is season four. Episode 12, season four finale. We keep doing it. They keep thinking the football card pod is going to stop and won't prevail. But here we are, 48 weeks straight and none of it is possible without our wonderful sponsors at Card Ladder. Shout out. Carl Ladder, the official data provider of the Football Card podcast and the broader Stacking Slabs network. Shout out to Card Ladder. I'm going to be recording an episode of Card Ladder Confidential later this week. It'll go out next week. I know all of you enjoy those chats. So do I. So be on the lookout for that. Yeah. And crossover back to back weeks, coming back, flooding the market with content. Love it. They've tightened it up a little bit. I mean, no longer are the days where they're sitting there for three and a half hours answering silly hobby questions. So we have evolved into a very tight timeline, which I can appreciate it. So enjoying the crossovers being back in my feed? Yeah, the three hour crossover days, that was my travel soundtrack. Always. It was like, oh, this flight, that's just one episode of the Card ladder or of the crossover. It's easy. All right. They get an opening topic that we should discuss before we jump into numbers. Yes. So opening topic before we jump into numbers was we have, we've gotten questions and we've talked about the, the rookie photo shoot and we have seen the next turn of the rookie photo shoot and it's not being branded as the rookie photo shoot. It is the NFL PA rookie premiere event hosted by fanatics and it happened this past week. You got to see guys in their, you know, get up and uniforms and you got to imagine there's photos for cards that are going to be there and gives fanatics the opportunity to you know, probably get some autos and do all those things. But I think the thing that really stood out for to me is when I'm just flipping through the feed and I see my good friend Ryan at Card Collector 2 sitting there, you know, having talking to Caleb Downs and Fernando Mendoza about football cards and I'm like this is, this is the next turn here we've got a guy, a big time presence in the hobby and Ryan talking to these rookies that are, you know, top 10 rookies, number one draft pick overall. And not only talking to them, they're in their full attire which is hilarious in and of itself. But then we're talking about football cards. And so this just got me thinking. I'm like what, like what does the future of the hobby content with rookies mean for football cards? If this is, this is the foray we're just getting going on this but what do you think a motion like this means for the future of football cards? I think it's just going to lead to more and more not only like pre release, pre like pro content but we'll get more cards out of this. I guarantee that manufacturers will will find ways to keep making like kind of cards that are based off of memorabilia from this event and from other events. Even like we saw when they got drafted that they signed a card right when they got drafted in like the tops now of it all where instead of like the first access you get to an athlete being their first release and a card, it's going to be like there are going to be so many things that come out of these players before there's ever a pack pulled rookie card of them available. Like already I bet there's Fernando Mendoza Raiders stuff I could buy. But is that his like true rookie? What's a true rookie? Is that whole concept kind of, you know, going away where it's not all about what the first. I mean it already kind of has where it's like the first product release of a player in a pro uniform doesn't necessarily become their most chased or desired rookie. Because I feel like you have sets like Donrus and stuff that were coming out before a prism comes out or before national treasures comes out. So just the concept itself of what is a player's like true rookie card is going to continue to just be an interesting thing to watch with. How much of like this type of like is Fernando Mendoza's true rookie card, the one that he signed on the stage? Is it the one that was pack pulled in the biggest set? Is it the one from the rookie premier shoot? Yeah, I think we're going to just keep getting more. It's going to be more everything. Adam Driver in Star wars more everything for all this stuff. So. I like that. I agree. I think my mind goes to what maybe we've seen on the baseball side and it seems that through the coverage we have seen these baseball prospects being more of the collector archetype where they are chasing their first Bowman super fractures. I mean there's been countless videos of like D, which I will, I will never understand the. I've got a hot prospects card in that hot prospect wants the card and I just get to go on the field and like get a ball and like, like a signed bat and maybe some cleats and you just like fork over the, the, the super fracture. Like I'm. You'll. You'll never find me. There's no experience enough that would caused me to just cough up the card. But I've seen that on baseball a lot. And so it's always led me to believe like these baseball players, like have been a part of the culture maybe longer than football players. But when you're bringing in, you know, Mendoza and having, you know, these kinds of conversations, it's the number one draft pick. It's like, what sort of influence does the manufacturer and the content creator have on that football player? And maybe not to go to ebay and go buy a bunch of cards, but just like naturally, like opportunities with cards are going to enter these players throughout the history of their career. So like, does this moment that like a Fernando Mendoza had with Ryan Johnson like get him to. He means sign the card. He's at the premiere, he's having a conversation with Ryan. Like does. Does it cause players to like, think differently about football cards and either want to be a collector or want to maybe be more involved in the future releases? Like that is kind of where my head goes right now. And so I'm, I'm interested to see kind of what happens on the other side of this if this way we go to market continues. Yeah, I think it could lead to. I think it's good for. It's good for the hobby if the athletes are informed on how the hobby works. And what collectors look for and things like that, where maybe now that Fernando Mendoza ripped some packs and saw like what Ryan is calling out as a case hit or what's exciting and seeing autographs and doing more autographs where that encourages a Fernando Mendoza or other athletes to have more fun with inscriptions or take a little more time on the autograph instead of just the, like scribbles on a sticker, like just having a little more care into the product because they understand what a collector would want to be chasing. And that encourages them to have some fun with it instead of it just feeling like something that they have to do. And they're just kind of knocking out as many autographs as possible. So maybe there's interesting things that could happen on assigning inscription front and. Yeah, I don't know. I. I don't. I think it's a. It's crazy to see how much athletes though, are getting into the hobby. I feel like baseball especially, you're seeing more. At least I'm seeing more and more videos of guys in the clubhouse, like ripping boxes. It's a lot of Pokemon, not necessarily always sports stuff. But cards are entering, you know, the mainstream more and more every single day. I mean, I think about, you know, just here locally, Andy and the Indy Card Exchange team. I mean, they have really started to bring in Braden Smith to, to, to do autographs, do cards. TJ and Megan McConnell. They've done Ben Shepard, like George Hill, who. Just George Hill. But so like, you're seeing that locally, you're seeing it nationally. And I just, I'm telling you, like, you can say whatever you want to about like your feelings about Topps fanatics and what they're doing. But I can tell you that this movement and this approach, like getting to know these players, getting them to talk about cards is a lot better or a lot more effective or will be a lot more effective long term than, you know, the, the like one reel that Panini would put up that they were at this event and these players were signing autographs, like you heard nothing from it. They were just like, they put up a reel and it was like it was done. So I am a fan of this approach. I think it is better for the long term health of this industry. Does will it mean all of our cards go up overnight? No, but I just think like this natural intersection between athlete and collector and storytelling is, is a really good thing. And I'm. I'm fired up to see that because I was uncertain if we were going to get anything on the Rookie premiere front. Yeah, the, the documentation of it all. Panini or fanatics and tops are. They're crushing that. I think to your point, the Panini era, I remember all you would ever maybe see is when a player would post on their story like a box of cards from Panini that they were supposed to sign. You're like, whoa, this is like a crazy behind the scenes peek at all these unsigned products. And now we're just, I believe, just seeing more footage of players engaged in this signing. That was so cool to see the RBI crew Randy Orton story where like, oh, there is footage of Randy signing this one of one card and then he gets like Ryan buying it is awesome. But just the fact that the footage existed of Orton signing this monumental one of one card is sick. Like, that's so cool that that's there 100%. You mentioned the inscriptions and I've, I've talked about just how I'm not a big auto guy, but man, I can appreciate inscriptions based on the rarity and scarcity. And you know, it shows. You're, you're seeing this a lot on the wrestling side and I've, you just start to see personality. There's catchphrases, there's sound bites and there's Joe inside jokes. And you're seeing these wrestlers put them on cards and it's like, man, it makes them way more attractive because it's a, it's rare, it's scarce. So I'm real, I am excited about that element where you have at the manufacturer has access to these athletes and they can not tell them what to put. Maybe, but maybe direct traffic and say, you know, the first parallel of every orange refractor. Typically someone puts an inscription like, you know, go cook if you want to on that card. And so I just think that's good for collectibles in general. So I'm, I'm excited about the future of inscriptions. Oh yeah. All right. Numbers 48. Should we get into it? Let's do it. All right, so this is an interesting development that is currently underway with 48. Because what I use to start, like the starting point for the number segment of the show is the Pro Football hall of Fame has an official website and on their official website they have a tab hall of Famers by jersey number. So that's always my starting point. I'm not, not googling and trusting AI. I go straight to the source. I go to the hall of Fame to get the facts. And for 48, there's one name under 48 in the hall of fame on the official website. And it's Mel Richter. I'm like, all right, who's Mel Richter? So I google Mel Richter and there's nothing. Like, I can't find this guy. This guy doesn't exist. There's a, there's. The top result is Mel Richter fine art photography. I'm like, I don't think this is a football hall of Famer taking breathtaking American scenic landscapes. But I, you know, I, I didn't know. So I'm digging more, I'm digging more and I find this guy. Les Richter or his full name. Leslie Richter, who wore number 48 for the Rams, is in the hall of Fame, like so surely. Why was his nickname Mel. Why is he listed as Mel Richter on the official Pro Football hall of Fame website? I haven't figured out that answer, but I have figured out that number 47 right above Mel Richter and we talked about him last episode is Mel Blount. So I don't know if there's a little copy paste error. Something happened. But the pro football. Pretty sure the Pro Football hall of Fame website has Les Richter's name wrong under the 48 section. So I filed a little ticket with the Pro Football Hall. I just did a, like a Contact Us. I filled out the form, I said, hey, just wanted you to know while researching for the fastest growing football card podcast in the world, I discovered this little possible error. I just wanted you to be aware. So it's still. I haven't heard back. It hasn't been corrected, but I would be pumped if that gets changed. And it we are able to claim that we helped with a little stat correction on the Pro Football hall of Fame website. Maybe we get a little annotation on there. Maybe they link out to us. I feel like the Richters are the type of family. And I'll just put this card up that 58 tops. Les Richter wearing the 48. I feel like the Richters just looking at this photo are the type of family. If they caught wind of it, we might get some Omaha steaks shipped to us for like Christmas as a thank you. Yeah, we gotta figure this out for old Les Richter. So that's on the list. Les Richter who. And we'll just talk about him play for the Rams and inducted into the Pro Football hall of fame in 2011. But he played in the 50s. It took him 50 years to make. He retired in 61. I'm sorry, 62. Made it into the hall in 2011, but he died in 2010. Which that's just a. That's a bummer that he waited. You waited till he died to put him in 50 years later. Feel like that's like a Pete Rose situation where Rose is going to get in eventually. It's like, damn it, he did it when he couldn't see it. So shout out Les. He was a linebacker four time first team All Pro four consecutive years, from 55 to 58. Three time second team All Pro, eight time Pro Bowler, Basically his whole career was a Pro Bowler All American in college. He, yeah, this was kind of a beast for the Rams there for a few years and finally made it into the hall. So shout out to Les Richter. Shout out Les Richter. That was a great history lesson there. Hopefully that gets changed. My selection is just very nostalgic being a kid watching football. And I'm selecting Daryl Moose Johnson, Cowboys legend 1989-1999. He rocked the horseshoe in the best era to be a Cowboys fan. I would say he's a three time super bowl champion. And I did not recall this or I did not know this ever. So I wanted to figure out how did, how did Daryl get the Moose nickname? So as a rookie, he received his nickname Moose from backup quarterback Babe Laufenberg because of his large stature compared to the rest of the running backs. The name caught on among Dallas fans who would chant Moose whenever he made the play. He had he, as in Daryl, 22 career touchdowns. He had more receptions than carries. How about that stat? That's crazy. But yeah, I mean, you think he's one of those guys. When you think about those cowboy super bowl teams, you know, there's obviously AAN and Smith and Irvin and there's just. Daryl Johnson's not the first to come to your mind, but if you kind of take a couple steps back, he was definitely a big part in that run. And I thought about it, I was like, man, I've never seen any Daryl Johnston cards. And so I just looked it up and I didn't even realize this, but the man has a 97 metal universe PMG green, which I've never seen a red. I've never seen this card. And it is like a net that he. Or like a chain link fence that he is busting through. Yeah. So this card is just absolutely incredible. It's sold. Let's see here. It's sold for $4,920. It is. This is a pop two in November of 2025. But there, there really hasn't been a ton of these sales. So the last sale before that, let Me see here. Dates sold. All right, I've got my filtering all messed up, but yeah, there it's. It's jumped up quite a bit in 22, it sold for like 20 $100. But yeah, it's just a card that doesn't pop up too often. And he's just a killer. So fun to be able to highlight Daryl Moose Johnson on this podcast today. That's a great one. A couple others to shout out because 48 was thin, so I was doing some digging. Wes Hopkins, who was a defensive back for the Philadelphia Eagles from 83 to 93, just for two reasons, because we love nicknames here on the football card pod. His nickname was Wild west, which is just perfect and awesome. And then he was part of the Philly defense that had the nickname Gangrene. So just being Wild west as part of the Gangrene defense, like just doubling up on the nicknames, that's pretty badass. So shout out Wes Hopkins and then Stephen Davis. Stephen Davis was a beast at running back. Started with the Washington Redskins, went to the Carolina Panthers. He, it listened to this run that Stephen Davis put on. So in 99, he ran for 1405 yards and 17 touchdowns in 14 games. So he averaged over 100 yards a game. Second team all pro. Then he had 1300 yards, 11 touchdowns. Then he had 1400 yards, five touchdowns. Was injured a little in 2002, but then in 2003 he goes to Carolina and has 1400 1,444 yards, eight touchdowns, helping the Panthers make it to that super bowl that they lost to the Patriots. But in those playoffs he had another 300 yards. So he had four seasons over 1300 rushing yards, which is pretty impressive. And ended his career 8052 rushing yards overall. So shout out Stephen Davis. Legendary 48. This football card podcast is slowly becoming weak. I think we could have a spin off podcast of just Washington running backs. I mean, my God, we've, we've talked Clinton Portis, Alfred Morris, Lidell Bats. Now step Davis. All in like the last month, those have been central forces, so. Man. And yeah, good. Shout out Washington running backs just in the high 40s. Yeah, that's great. Call out something else. I was thinking about when I was looking at Stephen Davis stats and kind of helping with my take of. If you take away saquon barker, he's 2000 yard season. He only has one season over 1300 yards. Whereas Steven Davis has put together four, which is kind of crazy. You know, I know that 2000 yard season by Saquon Was amazing in the super bowl, but just kind of puts it into perspective. Stephen Davis was out here putting together steady rushing seasons in his career. Do you think anyone out there has a sick Steven Davis PC? So I used to have Stephen Davis's 2005 finest gold X factor that I sold to. I want to say it's Compton cards. Yeah. Because he collects Auburn, Aaron. Yes, that would make sense. And Steven Davis was in Auburn. Is an Auburn alum. And. And Rudy Johnson. Yeah, I sold him. I had a Steven Davis and a Rudy Johnson. I sold him both of those. So I don't know if anyone's pcing Stephen Davis necessarily, But there are Davis collectors. Yeah. I'm looking through Compton's feed. He has. Oh, this is awesome. He's got his 97 rubies. He's got his 98PMG. He's got his 2000 Fleer Showcase masterpiece. One of one Stephen Davis. This card's sick. Do you think at Auburn, like, in that era, it's like if you're a running back, I'm thinking of like, you know, all the guys. Cadillac and Ronnie brown and Steven. Are they just showing them Bo Jackson footage day one and being like, this is what we're striving for. Is that, like, how the program works? It's gotta be Auburn. Yeah, Auburn. They got some backs, man. Yeah. Cadillac. Cadillac was so good. Speaking. By the way, speaking of Compton's cards, He just posted a net. I'm just remembering this. He just posted a nasty. I'm looking it up in real time. Where did I see this? I. I swear he posted a Cadillac somewhere. Do I have that right? I'm not seeing it on his feed. I like, it was like a Cadillac super fracture I saw somewhere. Maybe it wasn't him. Oh, here it is. I actually. So this is. Look at this. Yeah, that's unreal. Oh, I think I was like, post with that and the Ronnie Brown. Yeah. I mean, come on now. Like 2006 tops Chrome, which I put number two on my list when we were doing that. Look at the super fractures from this year. They've got this in the team in the teen name at the top. It's super fractured out. This is. This is one of the best super fractures of all time. For in this circumstance. Yes. Looks awesome with the red. I to me, the red bothers me when you don't like the red. It's got a color match with the bucks too. Well, no, I'm saying here it looks great because of the color match. But when the red is a In contrast to the jersey team or like the team jersey color. So you're not an oh set. You're not an 06 finest super fracture guy. I mean, I would take one. I would. I bet Priest Holmes still has 1 in 06. I would love that card. I'm sure there's a Bears player I'd love to have, but I don't know. It's not. There's. I don't like when like a set leans too hard on a specific color because of reasons like this. When the. I feel like Topps Chrome was doing that in basketball in like 2000 and 2001, where they're like refractors have like a big blue border. Like, all. All the reflectors have blue borders. It's just weird. Like, why. Why are you committing so hard to one color when there's a whole palette out there that it's going to conflict with? I. I can understand that. I just want to. Because this card is. Okay, so we're going to show both of them Shout out Compton's cards here. So here's the Cadillac. And dude, I just. The comp. The composition of this card is you've got NFC down here. You've got the position. You've got Carnell Cadillac in quotes. Buccaneers super fractured out. Amazing photo. Like, so I just want to. Like. I understand what you're saying. And so there's the Cadillac. But then look at the Ronnie Brown here. I mean, look, this is 2009. See? But imagine that with a red border. That would look crazy. It looks great with the full gold bleed. It does look very. Man, shout out Auburn running backs. We got here because of Stephen Davis. Let's go. What happens here on the football card pod? Just down a. Down a chain. All right, episode 48. Let's get into some questions from Drake's PC game. Worn NFL shields are considered by many to be the best patch cards in football. But in some cases, there are other patches where you can narrow down the specific game or games they were worn in. For example, a full captain patch with one colored star could be narrowed down to the player's first year as captain on the team and may be able to be narrowed down even further to a home or away jersey. And when it comes to patch cards like this, in your opinion and values aside, would you rather have a shield where it's unknown which game it was worn in or another type of patch where you can narrow it down to the exact game? I mean, I think this. Like this. This is a very obvious answer. Like the More information the better. Like if we can associate it to a specific or narrow it down. Like I would much rather have that. I will say taking it one step further, the calling of calling out on the back of the card for exactly the moment or the game which I think about leaf like certified materials. Them doing that, like that is the ultimate in the new WWE royalty product. They don't have them for all but like they have like a John Cena card with a towel patch, an autograph and on the back of the card it says like this is from the Netflix debut, the debut of Raw on Netflix. And it like gives a date and it's just like normally like I'm not sure I would be terribly interested in that card if it was just. But like to know that I can go back and look at it and know exactly when it's from. Of course, like that's more attractive. So I think our chances of getting the specificity when it comes to these patches and dates goes up under the fanatics tops umbrella as opposed to what we had with Panini based on just the way they have their arms wrapped around everything. So I, I'm. I'm very optim. Like I'm very optimistic on the the future facing look of this becoming more of a reality. It hasn't been much of a thing in the past outside of sleuth work, but I think the obvious answer is like yes, of course we'd love more information and know exactly where it, where it comes from. Yeah, totally agree. Totally think we're going to see more and more of it. I saw that they did a Tops now for that WEMBY Game 1 Western Conference Finals where they had like a patch in the basketball net. Like one of the diamonds in the net is like filled in with some sort of information and that's getting put into a card in a one of one as part of a Tops now release. So they're fanatics being so involved on the jersey front and then manufacturing. We're going to see hopefully more and more of this where yeah, we can get specific info because I was then trying to think about it like a tangible example of the situation Drake put out here where like would I rather have a Caleb Williams shield but I don't know what it's from or like a sick patch that's from the packers playoff game. Like I'd rather have the sick patch from this all time iconic game versus the random unknown shield, even though it's a shield. Because then I was even thinking about a shield. I've Never like, loved the look of shield cards from NFL. And I was trying to think why. And I just think the. We. I love an equipment shield. We've talked about equipment shields before and even so far to getting it tatted on your chest. But I think like NBA logo, man just looks so much better than the NFL shield. Like the NBA logo man's like a significant piece of the card. It's like a big window. It's much more colorful. It's all stitched. And then I feel like I was looking through just highest selling NFL shields and there a lot of them are like, not from any associated thing. And they're like, I don't like the rubber look on some of them. And then when you get back into the game, worn shields in the early 2000s feel like the, the patch box is so small. Like, because the shield is so small. So it's like, it just doesn't feel as, like, I don't know, big as the, like a logo man. Like these, these early 2000 shields, it's just like, oh, it's the same size as a normal jersey swatch window. It doesn't really feel any different. This is one of those threads that my observations of the football card community in the hobby. Just saying that the shields are the top dog and these are the cards you should go after. And this is why. And every time I look at them and I just say, no thanks. Like, it just the, the, the. The price for these and the aesthetic and the way it comes off is just there's a too large of a disconnect. I will never collect these, ever. And it's not because I think they're bad or whatever, but they're too expensive. And I just think there are a lot of other cooler cards. So that's like my personal, like, feeling on the shields. I just, Especially the rubber ones. They look terrible. Like it's the, the. The equipment shields with the threading. Yeah, it's cooler, but it's just not my cup of tea. Yeah, I, And I'm not a patch guy, but I'd rather have like a sick teen logo. Yes. Like the color. Like, I, I'm a simple, A simple man, simple brain. Like more colors better. Like more stitches better. And like the shield is just kind of plain and just says NFL. Like the logo, man, like, looks like something. Even the MLB logo, like, it has that same thread. The NFL shield is just kind of like, whatever. I don't know. It just. Yeah, it's like, dude, it's one of these days. And I'M offending everyone who stock filing shields here, so apologies in advance, but it felt like I woke up one day and all of a sudden we were on shields and this, these were the cards. And I was like, what? Like, okay, is like this is what we want to be doing. And so I don't know, just not my cup of tea. I, I, I probably should stop there so I don't get hate now. Yeah. And hey, we just, we're just a couple guys. We don't know anything. We're just spewing our opinions. But I was just looking through highest selling shields of all time. And if we're ever going to crack a million dollars again for a football sale, it's gonna have to be a shield because the top three shields are the Mahomes. 4.3 million in 2021. Herbert. 1.8 million in 2022. Burrow. 1.7 million in 2022. And then you've got the same Herbert again for 550, 000 in. Oh, so that was 2021. And then it sold. Wow. Someone bought that Herbert for 550, 000 in August of 2021, sold it a year later for 1.8 million. It's a nice little. That's pretty. That's not bad. All right. Oh, yeah. Would you rather have an Andrew Luck shield from the preseason game he retired. Or a patch from the Chiefs playoff comeback? The give, Give me a napkin patch from the, the Chiefs game. Yeah, you take that shield and flush it down the toilet. All right, next up, how are your cards organized in your boxes by brand, by player, chronologically? This question is from me. I just am always thinking about the organization of cards and especially, I guess my main question here. I'm curious how they're organized. But then how do you navigate when categories collide? Like when the end of one section goes into another section, is there ever consideration on like, what the last card is in section one flowing into the start of new section two? Is that a thought that ever crosses your mind or is it just like, they're very independent things that don't blend together? This is such a good topic. I love this because first of all, I'll, I'll, we'll get there. I want to first describe when I read this, I immediately thought of Rob Gordon from High High Fidelity, one of my favorite movies ever, John Cusack. And there, there's the scene where he's, he's organizing his record collection. He's got all of his vinyl on the floor and his two, two Guys from his shop, Jack Black and the other guy, their character names are escaping me right now. Come in and they're just like, what are you doing? He's like, reorganizing my records. And they're, like, just scanning it, and they're like, trying to figure out, like, what his theme is. And they're like, by name, by. And they're like, genre. And then he's like, nope, nope. And then he's like, they're like, well, what then? And he's like, autobiographical. And he's like, if I want to remember. And he, like, goes into this thing. He's like, I need to know that I picked it up in the summer of 1977. And so I love that scene because it just shows, like, as a collector of anything, like, we have our own rules on how we want to organize our stuff. And so I take this part of my job as a collector very seriously. And I've never talked about it. So you're bringing this topic to life, and I think it's a good one. So I'm a maniac when it comes to this. I, that my rules of engagement when it comes to collection organization are I have brand, I have gear, and those are the. And I have parallel. So I've got, like, for my prism collection, I've got all my gold prism organized by the year, and they're all golds all the way through. And same with gold vinyl, same with Black finance. So that's how those are organized. Now, I ran out of. I used to be able to have it all in one case, and I ran out of room. So now I have my one of ones out of prison in a separate case, but it's all the way off to the side. And it's. I try to, like, keep as much distance as possible from the other stuff because I, I, I, I don't want them intermixing. I, I, I'm trying to segregate. I do not want my prism one of ones anywhere close to my Tyrese Halliburton stuff because it just, just not how I do business. But then, you know, I got my wrestling collection, and that's more of a just the category alignment. And I, there's, there's really no outside of, like, you know, I've got, like, my John Cena cards together. It just varies by the thing. And it's, it's fluid, though, because I just, I, I tend to just make these decisions every time I spend time with my collection. And so that's how I feel organized. And some people would be like, wait a minute, you don't have like all of your Andrew Luck cards together all in like an Andrew Luck PC? And my, my answer is absolutely not. And the thought of that and the disconnect with the broader collection makes me want to puke. And it would actually makes me feel like I don't have my hands around what I'm actually building. So the integration of the players in the years, like, that is where I keep peace. So that's, that's how I'm doing it, man. So in the. What else is in the wrestling box? Just wrestling? No, I've got, In the wrestling box, I've got my Halliburton collection. I've got some Caitlin Clark cards. I've got ancillary Colts cards. Okay, so when like a Halliburton collection goes up next to a Caitlin Clark collection, do you try and make those flow together? Yeah, that. Those are actually right next to each other. Yeah, they're sitting courtside. Yeah, they're. They're buddies and they're my favorite players on my two favorite basketball teams in my city. So there's some, it's just, it's. There's some relatability with those cards. But yeah, that's, yeah, that's, that's how I'm doing it, man. How are you doing it? I've got like a, A Zion with three rows and it's pretty clear, like one row is just 2013 select basketball. And that's just all in a. In an order. But even that order is funny of like, do you order it by number or is it ordered into like the. My favorite cards? Like, how do I order them? And then another row is kind of. And this is where I run into that. My dilemma, because I'll have like my fantasy running backs. I've got like Priest holmes, Sean Alexander, Le'Veon, Bijan. And when I'm like trying to make those flow together, there's just a lot of consideration on, like, okay, how does the Leon run trans, like transfer into Bijan? Like, what is the best Lavon card to end on to then get me into Bijan? Because it's. I don't always put stuff those in chronological order because then I get into situations where. And this is just the ocd. Like graded and non graded stuff. I like when stuff in a one touch starts a section and then you get to the graded cards. I don't like going from like one touch graded card, one touch, graded card, one. So like cards that are in one touches will come first. They will always lead a section, but then that, that leads to stuff getting out of order chronologically. And then there's situations where I like there to be like a payoff at the end and not necessarily. And sometimes that first card is the payoff. Like 2012 Prism, for example. It's like leading off with the cream of the crop and then it. And then you're just going downhill from there. I kind of. I like the idea of building up towards the 2012 reveal. So I've gone. There's no, there's no right answer. And it's always changing. But sometimes I feel like trying to have like the last card be the most impactful is like a goal. But then it. That changes everything. It changes the whole layout. Yeah, I like that. I've never thought about that. I will say on the. You brought up a good subtopic of this, which would be the graded and non graded. I, My, my. In my mind, my eventual end state of each of my cards is it being put in a slab. Like, that's my mindset. So my raw cards, whether they're in one touches or they're in top loaders, they are off on its own. And, And I, I actually have. I, I buy raw cards probably at a 4 to 1 ratio, maybe 5 to 1 ratio of graded cards. It's just typically how I'm looking at my buying. So right now I've got maybe 60 raw cards, maybe 70 that need to be graded. But I'll tell you, like, that's a sub genre of my collection. Even though it's part of everything else, I don't intermingle those. But I do have a lot of fun just like pulling out the top loaders and just like, man, I bought this card like three months ago and I just. Because it's not in its eventual end stated, I have not spent maybe enough time with it. And I'm just like, man, this is a good purchase. So it's like I have like these motivational conversations with myself on recent pickups that are in this, like, in between state. But yeah, yeah, it's like I got the, the prospects, they're drafted by the organization, they're not yet on the team, but they're. You're. You're pumped about them. They're. They're hitting.392 in the minors right now. You're like, all right, you're. You got a future ahead of you. That's. That's exactly right. But yeah, dude, by the way, I'll tell you this. And this is like off topic, but similar. I had two consignment boxes go out this week. One was to cover a consolidation effort with or with my friend Nick at the work sports cards. And then the other one was. I just wanted. I just. It's time to sell some stuff. And I sent the one box to DC Sports, and I sent it last week. I express everything. I pay the 60 bucks. I want it there quick. Dude. I had, like. I didn't, like, talk about this with anyone. I was having a panic attack because, like, my box was sitting in, like, the Indianapolis facility, distribution facility on an express for, like, four days. And I was like, you got to be kidding me. And, like, you would have thought, like, somebody gifted me a Andrew Luck black finite. I didn't have. When I saw that that son of a. Moved on to the next stage, I was like. And I just feel like this is why I don't look at the. Look at the tracker. Like, if you look at the tracker, you're. You're bound to get hurt. The best is just to, like, assume it got there and then, like, maybe a week or so later, check it. And that peace of mind, because I was living in, like, worst case scenario for, like, two and a half days, and it was not fun. There's stuff going on with Indy too. Stuff gets stuck in a loop. It's been happening, I feel like, for a year since they. Because they opened some, like, a new facility and they're still working out the kinks where stuff will, like, get into Indianapolis. I'm waiting on a card right now, and I, like, check the tracker on Saturday and said it was gonna get here Monday. And I looked on Monday and it's like, yeah, arrived at Indianapolis sorting. And then today is at, like, a new Indianapolis sorting. I'm like, what do you. What are you sorting? The card is for me. Get it to me. Simple. I asked the. When I dropped off the second package at usps, I brought my ticket, and I was like, can you look into this for me? And she. She looked at it and she's like, I probably can't see much. I'll go talk to my manager, who obviously couldn't see much either. But this is what she said to me. She's like, distribution center on an express that shouldn't be there. It's like, oh, this is. This is. This is how you're making me calm down right now. It's like, good Lord. So, yeah, buddy. Yeah. Ignorance is bliss. Just trust that it eventually gets there. It's like my new MO. Yes, Trust the process. Yeah. But all that stemmed because I have a. Then I have a section that's like non prism bear stuff. And I have that in chronological order. But when I have it in chronological order, it puts my. I have a J. Cutler 09 Super Fractor. That's just like in the middle. I'm like, this card shouldn't be in the middle. This card needs to be the payoff at the end. But then it's all out of. It's not chronological. Then there's no order in there. It just feels sloppy. So I don't know. I'm still, still trying to figure out how to best handle that. That little section of the PC. But if it were easy, it wouldn't be fun. Yes, correct. Maybe that'll be a card call out one of these days. Show us your boxes and I want to see like how they're like section them off. Like draw on there like all right. This section is this. This section is this. It's trying to see how other people handle these dilemmas. Next question from Bolt Card crew. Where do you place Upper Deck on the chart for. For best football card brands? My response is not very high. When I think of Upper Deck, my in my brain just thinking of Upper Deck immediately goes to basketball with Jordan and LeBron. I think about baseball with Griffey, think about hockey because of its current license. I think of golf because of Tiger woods. And then maybe after that I think about football and I not to hear to disparage like Upper Deck and what they produced. I think you know a lot. There's a lot of collectors that are fans of Ultimate Collection and which is a nice product. But I just, it's. They're Upper Deck and football cards. Just I, I know there are people out there that are pushing though. Like these aren't discovered yet. People aren't even thinking about them. But I don't know to me there's always kind of a reason for that. And I just, I think Upper Deck just represents other sports way more than it will represent football to me. Always. Yeah, agreed there. I just. There are some cool sets, but not for me. I feel like Upper Deck has more of the like patch and auto cards that I don't really collect. I do have a decent amount of ultimate collection like Priest Holmes patches. Like anytime see a three color Priest Holmes Ultimate Collection Patch I for like 20 bucks I'll buy it. So I think those are fun. But yeah, it is not at all a big part of my collection. So that's really all I can as Much as I can speak on it. All right, final question from Chargers, PC, sports cards, Topps, Chrome is old news. What did they do right? What did they do wrong? Changes, Question mark. I think it's too early to call it. And then it got me thinking even more how this is like set releases are like an album, right? And it's too early for the album review. I mean, some places have to do it. I understand you need the, the clicks, the reads, the views, whatever it is, but time needs to pass to properly grade it. But overall, I like it so far. I think there's some good tracks on there, but I, I can't sit here and be like, it's better than this set or that set. Like, it just. It's too early. I think they'll. As time passes, it'll become more clear how great the set might be. What. When are we going to talk about your Chrome curiosity and what you're up to? I'm still dabbling. I'm still trying to figure. And now Finest is out. And I kind of like the look of these Finest cards with the, like, retro. What is it? Like Discovery Zone neon 90s colors with like the. I don't know, I think. And then Top Scrum Curiosities. It's. It's still. I'm just dabbling, you know, different cards here and there, but I'm having fun. Are you still Chrome? Chrome Adverse Chrome. Curious. Where are you on the Chrome? I've been dipping my toes. Dipping my toes a little bit. You know, you might have had some. Your, Your consistent. Look at these and check these out. Might have helped influence me a little bit. But I will just say this. I've made some buys and the buys that I've made have been very economical and I feel very good about them. That's my position right now. So, yeah, I would say in terms of the. This question, I think I can say the launch has been successful. Very successful launch. From getting football cards out there and get people excited about it. I'm kind of with you. We gotta, we gotta let it breathe for a little bit. There is a card that I'll highlight later in the market watch section that will. I don't want to spend time on it now, but I think is a good opportunity to talk about maybe something that I think they did right in this. In this release. But yeah, let's wait a little bit. Let's see. Let's see how it's. I will say this. It has not been bad. I think it has been. Been pretty solid. But it's still very, very early. Yep. All right. Thank you for questions, everybody. Let's move into the NFL. Check in. Hey, not, Not a lot here, but schedules are out. My main takeaway there, Bears, packers on Christmas Day is just diabolical. Do you like that? I think I do because I, I think it would be great if I were a Packers or Bears fan. I'm. I'm. I'm so pumped to watch that game. It's just the packers games last year, they played three times in like a two month, five week span. It was so stressful, like, and I'm just so stressed out leading up to the games. The game day itself is. It's more. It's an elevated game versus like anything else. Like, I'm. It just. It's heightened in every way. And for it to now be on Christmas Day is just. It's either going to be the best Christmas ever or absolutely ruin my Christmas. So that's. That's pretty much how it's gonna. You. You better play the role of Santa Claus very well and make sure that your daughter has the best first part of the Christmas ever. And so then you can. Hopefully the game is in the evening, I'm pretty sure. Oh, is it? Oh, yeah, it's the first game. It's at like one. It's at 1pm oh, man, that. That really changes the complexion of this. Yeah. If it was the end of the day, I could have that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's 1pm like, there's a. There's a world where it's 4pm and supposed to be the happiest day of my young daughter's life and dad is just pissed off. Or, Or Dad's ready for Christmas part two and like, let's go. Yeah. Yeah. You could have the ultimate payoff. Yeah. And that one's in Chicago, so I feel good about that. I think it'll be December. That's. That is going to be awesome. And then just two other games. Two other primetime games at Seattle and at Buffalo are just like, all right, Bears, you think you're a contender? Go prove it. Go to the super bowl champs in prime time. Go to Buffalo in the new stadium in prime time. DJ Moore revenge game, potentially. That. It's a. It's a. The schedules. It's crazy, but I'm excited. I cannot wait for football season. Yeah, I'm with you. I was, I was kind of taken aback when the Colts released their schedule, which Simpsons. Oh, I love that. Great release. Video. Great release. Yeah. They. I, you know, I was looking all the rankings. They were in the top four on most people's lists of the videos. So I was proud of that. From the. From the. From the organization putting out some quality after the Minecraft licensing debacle last year. And the Colts also poked fun at themselves in the video, which is. I feel like that's good. Good way to operate. You know, I'll just work. This is. This is the start of the season. Don got the Ravens at home. Home opener against Lamar, which. That's when I want to play that game. I want to play the Ravens at home. Right away. I just feel like new coach. It's just a good time. Ravens are tough, obviously, but that's the start. Then we turn this son of a around and we're on Sunday Night Football against Patrick Mahomes and Arrowhead. So we got Lamar Mahomes, then we got the Texans defense at home. Then we're going to London to play Jaden in the Commanders. And then there's no buy. We're not taking a buy. We're going to Pittsburgh after that. So we'll see what this team is made of pretty quickly because that isn't a very easy start to the year. But what is easy, we don't know what these teams are. I think this is what I'm taking. I'm saying, okay, well, we're getting the Ravens with the new coach early. We're getting Mahomes post injury early. So those are. That's what I'm leaning on right now. And I. We. We owe the Chiefs one. I mean, that we fumbled it over there last year, so I'm. I'm hoping. We just need. We need a split. Ravens, Chiefs, we just need a split. Give me one of those. But, yeah, I'm excited. I'm ready. It's gonna. Not gonna be an easy start, but I'm ready for it to happen. Wow. That. I saw you had listed those games and I thought you were just listing like standout games. I'm like, no, it's like, oh, that's the gauntlet to start. That's. That's brutal. Is there. Is Danny Dimes playing this year? Is he. Danny Dimes is. All the. All. All reports. I mean, he was. Jim Neighbors broke that he was walking around at the Masters, like up on the hills and stuff, just walking normally. So, Dan Uphill, that's a great report. Yeah, dude. It was so random. He's like, just so you know, I'm watching Daniel Jones, Colts quarterback, walking around this thing. I was like, thanks, Jim neighbors. That's awesome. But yeah, apparently he'll be back hopefully. So we need him bad. So Riley Leonard's awesome. Although here's a Riley Leonard update shout out. Michael Roundtree 13 cards sent me a pic the PSA 10 Riley Leonard Gold vinyl out of Prism from the Dallas card show. And I was like, oh, thanks buddy. It's probably going to be too much for my blood. Even though I love him. He's like, yeah, the. Apparently one I think a raw copy sold for 3K. And he's like, yeah, the. The seller. I think this is a pop one. The seller is looking for about 6k for this. And I just like thanks. Thanks for letting me know. But yeah, I'll. I'll wait on that one. Yeah. Wow. Riley Leonard the. You'll be able to pick that up in a couple years at a. Yep. Although the Anthony Richardson rookie of it all. There's been no. I've. There's been no. No one's giving. No. No one's. All the listed prices are still the listed price. No one's. No one's bending at all on those. Yeah, there'll be a. A bump when you sign somewhere else and there'll be a huge push about how ar in a new situation. It's all going to change. Yep. I remember there was a bump when Trubisky went to the bill or the Steelers like, because I was just trying to get some. I still need a 2017 Gold Prism Trubisky rookie card just for the. For the archive. And they're still like anytime they popped up, they're just asking crazy prices because he's still an active quarterback in the NFL and you never know. So just gotta keep waiting. Yeah. All right. Oh, and Super Bowl Nashville in a couple years. Yeah, that's a good, good super bowl city. Should be fun. I'm glad they'll. They'll have their new stadium by then because their current stadium is maybe the most. It is the most unimpressive football stadium I've ever been in in my life. And I know that might sound like I'm throwing shade because I'm a Colts fan, but yeah, there might be some of that, but it's. They. They need a new stadium very, very bad. All right, Market watch from Card ladder. Should we talk some sales? Let's do it. All right. We are starting on the defensive side of the ball. We're going to roll into a 1999 mil universe precious metal gems of Zach Thom 50 bgs 9 pop 1 none higher this card sold for $1,400. Only 4 total public sales of this card ever. When I saw this card, I just thought, Madden, man, he was one of the best linebackers of this era. And I just don't think there's been enough love by us talking about Zach Taylor. And I do know we've got his or, Sorry, Zach, they had Jason Taylor at the same time. Yeah, I was doing the mashup Zach Thomas. But maybe we do have his episode 54 coming up, so maybe we'll cover him a little bit. But I love this card. Love the image. You see the starter logo on the side of his shoulder pads. But yeah, really cool card. Yeah, the Zach Thomas Ricky Williams running back linebacker challenge in the 03 Madden mini games didn't get better than the Dolphins. Dolphins were a top team for that challenge. And yeah, I just. Zach Thomas was the. What is it, AFC south version of Brian or Locker. The NFC north, just 54 white middle linebacker, all pro. This in the same era too. The Zach Thomas erlocker Ray Lewis era of these dominant middle linebackers. Zach Thomas, five time first team all pro. I did not realize he had that many first team all pros. 13 year career, 12 with the Dolphins. One year in Dallas. I don't remember that. Oh, yeah. Okay. Shout out Zach Thomas this card. Like that. That defense was good with Taylor and Sam Madison. I mean, they had some guys on that team. Yeah, yeah. This card rules. We're sticking on the defensive side of the ball. We're going with a 2025 Micah Parsons prism black finite selling for 3500. I looked at this two years ago. You could have gotten a 2023 black finite Parsons for $1000. So that just tells you, like, where this market is going. And I just think it's like, like, let's take a moment, like talking about Taylor, talking about Parsons, talk about these cards. Like, it wasn't long ago where none of these cards even sniffed a thousand dollars if you're on the defensive side of the ball. And so I just think, like, we're evolving as a community of football collectors where people are like, like, that's silly. Like, these are the best players in football. Why wouldn't I spend this kind of money on their cards? And it's fun to see because we've talked about this enough. Like, underlying theme of football card podcast. We both love collecting defensive players. Yeah. And this seems very high though, in my. Or not very high. Just there was a Khalil Mac of this sitting on ebay for like 3k obo for a long time. I think it recently ended and I'm looking on card ladder. It sold for 2k last month, so someone must have bought it, relisted it on ebay. But I don't know. Just the Michael Parsons Khil. Like, it's pretty good comp. Those are pretty good. He's got the potential, though, still. You know what I mean? Like, Mac is pretty, like, Mac hall of Famer. Like. Like, he's. He's older. I just feel like there's still that element of, like, Michael Parson still has a lot of left in his tank, so people are willing to spend more. That's kind of my read on that. I agree. But I think if you look. Okay. Michael Parsons, first five years, three time first team all Pro, a defensive rookie of the year. Khalil Max, first 5 years in league, 3 time first team all pro defensive player of the year. Yeah. Max, first years with the Raiders, like, how big he was, and then it's just the. The journeyman of it all. And Parsons coming off an injury, I just think, like at a ceiling. I don't know. I think Michael Parson ceiling is still like Khalil Mack. I don't know if he's gonna be. I think you're. I think you're right. I think you're right. I'm. I'm not arguing that. I'm just the. The mindset of. And I don't know. We don't know who bought this, but I'm just. It just. It feels like because he's still so young, that's why he costs so much more. For sure. For sure. But yeah, that's a pretty cool car. I'm surprised he's not in packers on this one. I feel like by 20i. In other 20, 25 sets if like in 2025 optic. I know for a fact Parsons is on the packers, so just missing the prism train. They. Yeah, it's like prison, you know, my biggest contention with the new prism, although it's grown on me, it's like they decided to put Anthony Richardson in there for the third time and not put Daniel Jones in it. It's like, okay, but that's neither here nor there. And here's the 23. Which one do you like better? You like the 25 lined up? Are you, like, kind of getting ready to break down the tackle on a 23? I think 25, actually. 25. You like that one? Yeah. Those are sick. All right, let's do like 23s, but 25. 25's grown on me. I like, I like. And this is simple. I like team logos. And 25 has the team logo as part of the design. Just like. Yeah, 24 did it and 2012, those are the only years that had the logo on there. So what are the years again? 25, 24 and 2012 are the only prism years that have the team logo on the. Great, great prism trivia there. How about this one? 2011 Topps Crumb AJ Green Super Fresh PSA 9 selling for $8,307 via auction. Yeah, man, this, this 2011 is a great year. This card is just incredible. I mean, what more can you say? Yeah, this is. But is this some sort of variation? It looks like it. It's like looking left. That's. That's heavy for a variation though. That is. It is. I do like how you can see the his jersey. Like, this is rare that you're seeing the back of a jersey on a card. Like I'm. I can see Green 18 clearly on the front of a card, which is interesting, but that's a sick card. A.J. green was awesome. Very cool. Very cool card. All right, we move over to a card I'm excited to talk about. And this is the 25 Marshall Falk Tops Chrome Super Fracture Auto 1 of 1. And it's the. I love the person who listed this card, Clay44 said gorgeous exclamation point a million times. But why this card sold for $3,000. Why? I wanted to call out this card in a post playing day card. And we've seen this. We talked about the Fred Taylor last week. I think that if you're going to do a post playing day card, do it right and give us something we haven't seen before. And you're seeing this image taken from the super bowl and he's got the super bowl patch on it. Super fractured out in the throwback Rams uniforms with the. It's just this car. Like I saw this card, I'm like, man, that's a lot of money. 3,000. But then I just like really started to like break down its elements and it's like, I don't know, man. This is a pretty cool card. So I'd say like in that tops Chrome discussion of like, what, what do we think of this product or is it good or not? Like, the one thing I think it's done well is post playing day cards. I think they've done a nice job capturing them in a different light. Yeah, that card rules. The photo is awesome. Like, if you're going to do a Marshall falk Super Fractor 1 and 1 auto in 2026. This is definitely the way to do it. Super cool card. All right, we move over to Cam Ward's 25 prism gold PSA 10 pop one sold via auction for $26,400. Which should be no shocker based on how we do quarterback prospecting, but man. Yeah, that's a. That's a big card. I would imagine that card will be in someone's showcase at the national, but what do you think about that? That's huge. Honestly. Cheaper than I thought it would. Like, I don't know. I thought rookie Golds just had a higher floor. Like I'm looking up Jaden Daniels highest and I know Jaden had a spectacular rookie year that led to this, but his gold prism in a PSA9 was selling for 60k. So if Cam Ward's in a tent and I think Cam was good. I think he just had a shitty team, shitty situation last year and he had some flashes though, and especially later in the season. So would I spend $26,000 on this card now? But like if you're in this world, if you're in this game, I feel like buying this and then like yeah, having it in a showcase at the national for with a 35 sticker on it, I bet that's what someone's going to do and try and make a little bit of money. All right, final card here is. I had to just bring this up because we were talking about how future 2015 tops Chrome is, but post playing day, I didn't even know there was post plague day cards of this set. But this is the 2015 Topps Chrome John Elway Super Fracture one of one and a PSA 7 selling for $6,600. So yeah, what's your commentary on that? Is there any super factor even left on this card? Can't even see there's not. You can't even see that. Where is the Super Fractor? Where is it? That's whatever. I don't want to talk too bad about these cards because maybe someone loves it and if it fits perfectly in your collection, that's great. But that just seems like it's like PMG level price for an Elway card. I. I don't know exactly Elway's market. I'm looking like right now, like what other cards of his are selling for $6,000? And yeah, his red PMG just sold for 63. His super rave jersey numbered 7 out of 25 sold for 6,000 is 97 rubies for 7,000 is. I don't know, it's just. That's a lot of money for. Just because it's a one of one super factor or that maybe you love the card. I don't know. It is kind of a cool picture. It is a. The photo is cool for sure. I'll give it that. But yeah. Those are the cards on the market watch this week, brought to you by card letter. All right, just quick collecting updates. Card call out. We'll get out of here. Collecting updates. What are the current collecting projects that you're focusing your resources on? Any pickups lately, Brett? Yeah, I picked up the 25 Michael Pitman Jr. And Anthony Richardson gold prisms. I just put some heavy bids on those, end up winning those. So Adam, add to my collection. And also yeah, you've. You assisted me this morning actually. Some shout out to you with the JT2 Mala Gold vinyl for $100. He's now going by Jaylen, so he's dropping the JT so going with the full name there. But I told you in the text it was a great. That is like it had all the elements. You've got the second. A second rounder Colts rookie from last year in a gold vinyl. It was a hundred dollars obo. I just smashed Ben. I was like this is cheap enough for me. And he's a player who's ascending like he's going to be competing for a starting spot. There's a lot of buzz around him and I'm just like defensive guy. I was like. That was like my favorite like football card pickup in a while. So I'm gonna thank you for that. That card was cheap enough that people outside my zone would have scooped in and got it. So I appreciate the earth. That was an early morning text which you were doing some work early getting in there and you thought of me. So thanks for that. That was yeah. The product of like my wife picked up our friend's kid to take them to daycare. They go the same daycare. So like timelines were advanced this morning. So I found myself like, oh, got a little extra time. Let's. Let's hit up the save searches this morning. I don't think I normally would have hit the safe searches until after we recorded this. So it's very serendipitous pickup there. Yeah. You pick up anything? I picked up. What did I get? So I just got in the mail 2002 finest refractor, Terrell Owens. Terrell Owens refractor out of 250. That becomes number 56 out of 62 I believe of the base set refractors of the veterans. So that is getting close. Getting close to having to get the Tom Brady figure out the Tom Brady of it all. But was pumped to get that one. And then what did I buy? Oh, 2013 Select Gold Brandon Marshall PSA 10. Very pumped about that. It popped up on ebay. I threw a low offer just to like see what would happen. They countered with like a very reasonable offer where I'm like wait a minute, if I can like talk to them in person, maybe I can work out a deal. And I found them on Instagram and worked out a deal. So that is cool. That should be arriving today. That's the one that's just been floating around Central Indiana for the past few days. They I think shipped it on Thursday and it's Wednesday. The next Wednesday I'm still waiting on so we'll see. But I have the Cutler 2013 select gold so that those two will go together. They'll go right next to each other in the non prism section of the box. We'll have to figure out some new adjustments when that one is introduced. But Brandon Marshall just doesn't have a ton of Bear stuff and he had some awesome years for the Bears, including a first team all pro. So anytime I see anything of him in a Bears uniform, I'm going to try and grab it quick. Aside on to it's funny you bring up buying one of his cards. So TL posted 3 days ago about an individual, a former business partner who allegedly was taking money from him and he made it public. And the irony of the situation is the person that he's talking about I went to high school with so whoa. But the, the high school text message threads just went wild and it was all because of to so if you want some good to contact check out his Instagram feed. I'm gonna have to dive into this and I'll have some follow up questions for you. Yep, I, I, I will, I will be able to answer them. Awesome. All right. Card call out 90s football cards last week. That was fun. You all delivered. All right. I got some options this week. So I came into this week thinking a card you've owned for three years could be fun to see some of those cards. But then throughout the episode I was thinking patch cards could be fun. Show some love for the the patches. We've never done anything I don't think on that front. Or like show us your box. Show boss. The setup of Your card box is the card call out where it doesn't need, even need to be like all the cards, but like I'm picturing like an aerial view of the three rows where you're kind of showing what each section could be. What, what do you think, Brett? Do any of those stand out as the leading candidate? Let's go. Let's give some. I feel like because neither of us are like hardcore into the category, we probably do it a disservice. And I know there, there are a ton of very passionate patch collectors. Let's see the badge. Badges. Let's see some badges. Let's see, let's see some patch. If you want to throw your plastic shields in there too. We'll, we'll, we'll repost those as well. Call me old fashioned, but I like needle and thread when I'm seeing patches. Yeah, I'll be. I'm excited to see those. Yeah. Yeah. Any patch cards? All patch cards matter. 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