The Football Card Podcast #52: We Celebrate One Year of The Football Card Podcast

Foreign. Welcome back to the Football Card Podcast here on the Stacking Slabs Network, hosted by my good friend John at Pac Nicholson and presented by Card Ladder, the official data provider of the Football Card podcast and the broader Stacking Slabs network line. Backer summer continues. 52 big one big because there's a lot of really good 52s and big because this means we have been doing the Football Card podcast for an entire calendar year. We appreciate all of your support. Telling a damn friend following what we're doing here, joining the Patreon, it means a ton. We can feel the momentum, we can feel the energy. A lot of you football card collectors get your fix here each and every week and we're here to bring that to you. Interesting episode at the year mark Pack was in the elements in the mountains. The WI fi signal wasn't great, so we did not have video for the Patreon subscribers because we tried to do it and it was just too laggy. So getting the audio feed here on the Stacking Slabs Network, I promise you that the conversation still is full of energy. I'm fully caffeinated as I recorded. I know Pack probably had a cup or two, but appreciate it. We just want to say thanks a year for a podcast that started as a idea and we've come all the way here and a big reason is because of all of you. So we're here, we're excited. Football card podcast episode 52 coming at you. Hello and welcome. Welcome to the Football Card Podcast. This is it. You made it. It's Friday and you're listening to the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly, football cards. I'm Your host, John aka Pac Nicholson, and with me as always, is Brett, Mr. Stacking Slabs himself. Brett, how you doing? I'm well. Happy one year anniversary of the Football Card Podcast. I think we must get that out of the way and we also must, must let everyone know that this is a little bit of an unorthodox type of recording. On the year anniversary, you're off site in a remote location. We've been trying to finagle the Internet and so we are. This is the first time we're doing it. Why not do it on the one year mark without videos to try to make sure we get the audio? So sorry, Patreon Group, no visuals this week, but if you listen to this on the main feed, hopefully it goes interrupted. So yeah, man, we're here. Yeah, we're, we're fighting through it out here in the Mountains in Colorado. Didn't really think about the WI fi situation. Just assumed it would work. And it's, it's working. It's just a little, a little choppy here and there, but we're, we're making it through. We. We overcome adversity here on the football car pod. That's what we try to do. And I thought maybe a good place to start this conversation would be do a look back. And I spent some time looking back on episode one of the Football Card podcast and just some of the things we talked about. And I, I wanted to ask you because I thought this would be fun out of the gates that we, we all. Episode one, we reported two pickups a piece. And let's see if you still have those cards. So the two, the two cards a year ago were that you picked up were the 2002 finest Eddie George refractor out of 250 and the 2010 tops chrome matte forte gold refractor out of 50. Now are you. You still got those. Have those gone? Where are they at? Well, so the Eddie George. Yes, I still have that because I received it. The 2010 tops Chrome at Forte Gold. I never got that card. No show up in the mail. So. And now that I'm thinking about it, I need to. I feel like I. It was in the process of ebay where I'm like, hey, this never showed up. And I don't know what if that ever got resolved. So I think I'm out 40 bucks there, which come to think of it, I need to try and battle to get that back. Well, this is probably why. This is probably why you're so reluctant at this point to talk about pickups before you have them in hand here on the Football Card podcast. Yeah, this is one of three now that have gone missing because I shared them on Football Card pod too early. So kind of keep it close to the chest until those cards are in hand from now on. What about, what about you? You've got here? Your two pickups were 2015 Prism Andre Johnson Gold Vinyl and 2014 Reggie Wayne Gold Prism. Wow, I forgot about that card. Yeah. So I, I still have both of them. And it was interesting to look back. So the Andre Johnson Gold Vinyl out of 5 PSA 9 was a bin smash on ebay. I think I paid like 300 bucks. And what was interesting about that is I had never seen the card, but then on the side randomly, I was in a conversation with somebody V on Facebook that I found who owned a copy, and it wasn't that copy. So it was like two copies in my world at once. I ended up buying the one that was on ebay. And then the 2014 Reggie Wayne Gold that triggered a memory that I had of Brooks LSU Tiger Collector 65, sending me that via ebay. And I think it was listed on ebay. And he sent it to me on like a Saturday and it was listed at like 125 bucks or like 150 bucks. And I remember going and seeing his. His message and like, like my stomach dropping and I clicked it and it was gone. And that, that, that it was like devastating. And then I don't remember if I like communicated out my devastation, but somehow I ended up having somebody reach out to me. Maybe I don't want to mention names. I think I might know who it was, but I can't remember. But anyways, I ended up buying, getting access to a different copy. And I think I paid three times. I paid a lot more, maybe more than the price, but that was a card that I really needed and I have completed since then. The Reggie Wayne Playing Days Gold Prism Run 2012, 2013 and 2014. So that was a, that was a pivotal card. And I am happy to report that I own both of them still. And I mean, in hindsight, yeah, maybe you paid 3x that bin smash. But I feel like pretty good purchase looking back. Yeah. And it's one of those things and we get into this where it's like I would have paid a lot more. You know, when it's a card that's like in your PC and you need it because of what you're doing, obviously there's limitations and you don't want to be pushed over the skis. And maybe this is where my disdain for the one of one market is right now, where the, the owners of one of ones are so relentless at trying to get the top bill because they. It's a one of one. But I feel like with golds and gold vinyl, like I like still, like I can push up to the top of what I'd pay for those cards, but it's still not like devastating on my bank account if I get those. So that's. Maybe that's why I'm. I'm just really pissed off at like the, the. The one. The way we're treating these one of ones these days. And you know, everyone's using the same song and dance for why they're priced the way they are. But maybe we. Maybe I'm gonna reverse hex this because we've gotten so hot on one of ones recently and maybe I'm just gonna start talking about why they're all not important and maybe that'll help. Yeah, they're all just gimmick cards. No one likes a 101. Why would anyone ever want to collect a 101? You should just sell them. Yeah, yeah, let's, let's, yeah, let's sell all of our one of ones and reset the market. The other thing. What's the biggest gripe? What's the biggest gripe right now with one of one market? Is it strictly just the insane prices of Top Scrum Super Fractures? You know, that's one of them. But there is an unwillingness to negotiate, I have found. And, and, and I understand if you have one of ones from like the players that are in the most demand or all time greats, I, I get that. But when it's just like a random guy on my team and you're trying to get me to pay over, you know, in anywhere between a thousand dollars and $2,500 for that, when I know I'm the only person that's going to even sniff that, it's like let's have a conversation. Like let's be flexible. But yeah, people just want to sit on dead inventory. And I'm just seeing dead inventory everywhere. I'm like, who else is buying this but me? So like just keep, let it sit and whenever you get bored of it being dead and the, the money just sitting there, you, you give me a call. Yeah. Yeah. I think we just gotta wait them out. Eventually they'll find something else and have to sell those hopefully. So we, we don't really need the cards right now. Right. There's a game of patience and we can just wait it out. And I feel like we, we all suck as collectors with the waiting game and waiting it out. But sometimes it's just, that's the poison to the, the people who list cards very high. They don't, they don't want anyone waiting it out. So if we can be the poison to, to their, to their kind of, and disrupt their, you know, fluid cards in, cards out and kind of be a roadblock there, then maybe eventually we'll get the card at the price we want. Maybe that made. That's my utopian thinking of it. I like that. It'll all work out. It will. So I also noticed in the notes that I asked you how you were feeling about the Bears and this is in June of 2025 and you said you were feel you Were Giving it a 7 of Senate 7 out of 10 this point, which to me, like, knowing what I know about the Bears going into last season there, maybe it was jacked up a little bit because new coach inside. But that, that seems like a very high score. And I'm just curious how you're feeling like on the 10 scale right now. How do you feel going into next season? Like if 7 was your score last year. Yeah, that. I mean that was fully off the Ben Johnson Kool Aid that I must have been drinking going in because yes, 7 out of 10's pretty high all things considered. Where the Bears had ended the season before that. And then I, I gotta go back and listen to where I was after week two after the Bears lost like 52 to 10 to the Lions and they're 0 and 2. I think the Colts were 20 and looked like super bowl favorites. So things. Things fluctuated over the course of the football card pod. I think right now, oh, that's tough because I don't want to go higher than a 7 because that just leads to devastation and heartbreak. If I say I'm at a. A nine, then you know, there's only. You can really only go down. So I'll say I'm an eight. An eight right now. Okay. Marginal improvement, although I feel like you should maybe be closer to a nine. But I get where you're coming from. I, I went into last season that and it was the first season that I had in a long time where I said I have zero expectations. And my. I think I adamantly talked about how Daniel Jones has to be the leader right now for the quarterback job because they were doing the whole like, camp, we'll figure it out and Right. I'm glad I had zero expectations. And this is the interesting part because although I had zero expectations in the Colts, you know, season fell off a cliff after Daniel Jones got hurt there. Look like as I'm prepping for this season and I'm looking back at last season, like that start that they went on was like the most exciting time I've had as a Colts fan. So since Andrew Luck was here. So it's a weird look back because it was a tale of two seasons and the first part was. Was so much fun that I'm like, what am I hopeful for? Like, and it's just the testament to say, like, you never want to get too excited because anything can happen at any time in the NFL. Yep. As soon as you have those high expectations, they will get crushed big time. So what do you. What are you feeling right now going into the cold season 1 to 10? I. I guess I didn't quite think of this myself. I will say this. I feel root like in the most optimistic viewpoint possible. And that starts with a healthy Daniel Jones, which all indications from otas suggest that he's looking great, he's looking ahead of schedule. He will be ready to play week one. Now, we haven't seen the mobility which is such a key piece of the Stichen offense, along with the way Daniel Jones plays. That'll be interesting to see. But I want to. I want to live in this world where the offensive efficiency that started the season exists at some level. So I'm going to say, okay, it might not be where it was, but it'll be hovering around there. And then I think that the secondary is going to be very, very good. And I am a full off season with Sauce Moody Ward coming back. He was contemplating retirement. Cam Bynum. And then we got Mr. Give me that. As the other safety who's been everyone anyone's talked about during ota. So our defense sucked last year because we are. Our linebacking core couldn't cover anybody and we would just get picked apart. So I'm optimistic that the defense will be improved. So I don't know, man. I'm just. I'm just looking for 10 wins and trying to. Trying to compete for an AFC south championship because it's been so long. But if you look at the south, it's one of those divisions you just look at. It's like anything can happen here. So I don't know. I, I'll. I'm gonna. I'll be. I'll take the seven. I'm gonna be a seven going into this season. This year. Seven's such a good number. And so you gotta. Yeah. Keep it even keeled going in, I think too, just with the way that the Bears season unfolded last year. Yeah, I'm. What I'm trying to do is talk myself into a 10, but I'm trying to. I'm trying to not. It's better to. It's better to set low expectations. And by the way, did you. I felt like this would be a topic. It's not on our run sheet, but have you been keeping up with the Brendan Sworesby situation of it all? Kind of. But fill me in. I know he was. He was gambling on games. His own games. Yeah. So we've advanced to past the gambling, past the. Like he might play for Texas Tech. And then all of a sudden yesterday, which you're remote, so you probably didn't see this. He plans to enter the supplemental draft, which there has not been a supplemental draft since 2023. And the dynamics of the supplemental draft are quite fascinating because I had to, because there's been such a lag between the last one, I had to really re. Educate myself on how the supplemental draft works. So do you, do you have any insight or information or any knowledge around the supplemental draft and like the construct and how it works? No. And I'm very curious and like, why now? Why is there one now? Okay, so play. Basically the supplemental draft is in place based on eligibility changes with players and rare and unique circumstances like this Sourceby situation. So Sourceby's looking at it and being like, you know, I can, whatever the way this falls, if I, I can either like probably agree to some sort of suspension if I played with the ncaa, whether it's four or eight games, that might hurt my draft stock. Maybe I feel like this is unfair. So I'm going to take the NCAA to court and just be in a litigation battle. That might hurt my draft stock too because of just this gray area. But then there's the opportunity to be in the supplemental draft where you just say, all right, I'm not even doing college football anymore and I think I'm good enough that someone's going to take me in the supplemental draft, which somebody is going to take Brendan Sby in the supplemental draft. Because if you look at the quarter 2027 draft, which is supposed to be a very strong draft, better quarterbacks. Soresby was being talked about as a potential first round draft pick. So you've got this guy with a little gambling problem who probably shouldn't be in the, in ncaa. Although he is seeking treatment right now. He's in some like five week program or whatever. But he is saying I want to be drafted. And so NFL teams can put in bids for Brendan Sorsby and the bid needs to basically say like, this is the round I would draft him in. And so if you're the highest bid, you get him and you lose that pick. So I think the last there was a, I think a player for the Cardinals and it was like a 5th round pick they gave up. But like this is a whole different situation. Like he could be a franchise quarterback. So it's like what are teams going to do? And there's always quarterback needy teams. So there's the character thing too on top of it. So it'll be very interesting to see how this all shakes out. So you would put in your bid and then that's your 2027 draft pick. Wherever you Dec. Yeah. Wherever you decide that which round you would take him in. Yeah, I feel like someone would give up a first you. That's. I think, I don't know if we'll get there, but I'm curious if we get there and if we do get there, it's probably going to be the Cleveland Browns. But yeah, I think, yeah, I think people are saying like, no way anyone gives up anything higher than a 3. But I don't know, man, if this guy is like high on your board and you think he could be a franchise quarterback, like winning matters more than anything else. So this is like a fun little storyline going into the off season. Yeah, this is good. I will have to keep tabs on this. Yes. I've been out of the loop the last few days. I've been out here like four days, five days now and kind of been unplugged, which is nice. But I don't know, I feel like as Mikhail Bridges would say them picks like whereas the Rams would say like, you know, it's. It's the whole scratch off ticket theory. Like if you are a team that is gonna, you know, hoping to be a playoff team where your first round pick in 2027 is going to be in the high 20s, you know, why not take a flyer on getting your franchise quarterback? I guess that's kind of what the Rams did with taking Ty Simpson. But instead of taking them in the actual draft, you could have got Sorsby for the, you know, the next year's pick. So I don't know. I. You're. As I'm talking about it, a first router does seem steep. But I've seen crazier things. I could see a team, a super desperate team maybe, maybe going for a second. Maybe a second is where it ends up going. Yeah, the foot, the. I have. Yeah, I feel like I have a little bit of reservations on the first round just based on. You look at all these trades and all the moves these guys. And when picks are involved, it feels like the, the first rounders, they're. They're getting more protected now than ever before. But you don't see much movement when it comes to the quarterback position. So who knows? But anyways, I'll be paying attention. I thought that was interesting. The. The other thing I wanted to report on from episode number one was we highlighted the 1998 contenders. Pton Manning rookie ticket auto out of 200 and a BGS9 and since then, in August of 25, the, that card sold for 30,000. So it, it, when we talked about it, it was 25,000. So my question to you, a card increasing in value of 5k in a year is a lot, but in hobby terms, it doesn't seem like a lot. Like what, what do you think that tells us about who we are as collectors? Because if you were to say like you bought an asset and you know, for a, a certain price, and then, you know, a, a few months later the card goes up 5,000 like a lot of people what wouldn't blank at that in the hobby. But then in real life most people would be like, holy, how do I put all of my money into this operation? Like, what do you, what do you think that tells us about us as collectors? Well, and even I'm seeing on here, you said it sold in August for that price. So that, yeah, it's a 5k increase in just a couple months. If we recorded that in June 25 and then sold again in August for 30 and who knows what. Has there been a more recent sale since then? I don't think of the, the BGS9 with 10 auto. I don't think. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, I bet if we look at all our sales from those first few episodes, they've all probably gone up. I mean, and I saw this note that you had down here about just the football card market in general, up 41% since we started the pod. Yeah. So how much credit should we give ourselves for the, the, the soaring football card market right now? I mean, we've got a place every week, football card collectors can tune in to listen to two guys talk about football cards and football cards. My thinking is this gets the listeners so excited that they just decide to put all of their money into football cards. No more international basketball sales, high end basketball sales. No more vintage baseball sales. We're pouring all of our money into football cards because we have the football card podcast to get us excited every week. That's right, a year straight. Shout out all the loyal listeners for sticking around for a year. But I do want to acknowledge the fact that, because I've been thinking about this more of we have this platform, right? And we choose to broadcast our opinions, which then, like, I don't know, I feel sometimes weird about like talking about certain sets or certain players because I never want that to get taken as like you should be buying these sets or players. So I just hope that the general takeaway from the football car pod and what we're doing is like the idea is behind collecting and not the specific collectible. Like instead of like we're never saying collect the Bears, collect the Colts. We're just talking about team collecting or Andrew Luck or Priest Holmes. We're not saying go buy those guys. We're saying find that one player that connects with you. So I don't know, just wanted, you know, a year in to acknowledge that the platform that we have and that we're self aware of it. Um, cause you know, as when you make yourself a voice in the hobby, you can be open to criticism or critique or whatever and yeah, I don't know, just something I've been brewing on lately. What do you think about all that? I think that's spot on. I will say from doing this for six years, every week or now, basically every day that when you talk about cards publicly and share their opinion, your opinion on cards, naturally there are people that are going to take someone talking into a microphone publicly as a way to try to find an advantage or an opportunity. And it's a weird world, man. It is a weird world when I, and it doesn't happen so much. It's not like a routine thing. But there will be times ever so often where people will have mentioned, hey, I heard you talking about X parallel on the football card podcast and look at the card I bought and it's, I'm always like, I want to be like cool card. But I also like, I'm just like I, I mean I hope, I, I hope it like just opened a door for those collectors to then go explore themselves and come to the conclusion that this is the card for me and this is what I believe in. But I will also say human beings in, in general are, are pretty, pretty lazy people. Like I, I try to, I try to. I love the research aspect of building out my collection and it's part of the hobby that I really enjoy. I like learning. I'm very curious as a person. So like that uncovering and getting my hands dirty. Like I don't know what I would do without the self discovery, but I understand like that does not motivate some people and some people just want to hear from someone and say, yep, let me go do that. So it's just, it's an odd dynamic, but I always, and I think we do a pretty fair job of this. We, we never suggest that people should go buy something because of a, a period of time where we think something is too low or a set that people don't have attention on. Like I feel like, we are pretty mindful of not doing that and just sharing our opinions about kind of what's in front of us and why we like or don't like certain things. Yep. With great power comes great responsibility. That's what we're doing over here on the football card pod. Yeah, it's crazy. A year, look at us and this year in. And this is the most shoddy recording that we're doing so far. And you would think the progress would be there in a year, but, you know, it's. We're learning. We are. And I'm excited. And I just looked at the notes. It's been all over the place. I still have episode 51. We're in episode 52. So why, why, why don't we get into the numbers? I feel like we've got some guys here. Do it. 52s hall of Famers Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, Mike Webster, Robert Brazil and Frank Gatsky. We are in linebacker summer. We are in the thick of linebacker summer. And 52 is so good. I mean, those hall of Famers need no introduction. And I'm, I gotta shout out my guy. Khalil Mack, just Bears legend. Only three years in Chicago, and even as a, you know, die hard Bears fan, it seems like his time was longer for the Bears, but made such a big impact, especially in his first year with the Bears, and then has gone on and, you know, been racking up the sacks with the Chargers. He's up to 113 career sacks, which is, I mean, hall of Fame trajectory for sure. So gotta shout out my guy. Cleo Mack, when you think about, okay, three years, but I think pretty impactful. I think about a guy is in a similar light, like a Frank Gore for me, where, you know, better known elsewhere. But the years he had as a going to be hall of Famer, I would imagine, and I would imagine Clell Mack is going to be a Hall of Famer. Like these guys that are hall of Fame in nature but might represent another team more if they go into Canton. Like, how do you think about Khil Mack in terms of like your Bears collecting? Like, is he a guy you're like desiring to chase? Do you wait until certain cards pop up? You're not really interested in this card. It's like, how do you consider him? I have a couple gold prism Cleomax in a bear's uniform. That's like, if something pops up and the price is fair, I'll go for it. I'm not like dying to get a Cleomak finite In a collection. I mean I'd love 1. His 2020 I feel like sold recently or I've seen that before. But it's not one of my top ones. Like just because of the fact he's not, you know, so locked in with the Bears. Like I don't think Cleo Mack and Bears right away. I think Jay Cutler. I think of the Bears right away. I think about Forte. I think of the Bears right away. Cleo Max a bit bit different. So I don't know. Yeah, definitely a player I would buy cards of, but not like one of my top, top of the pyramid type guys. That makes sense. I, you know, in any other linebacker summer is just so challenging because there's so many guys that kick ass that have awesome cards and it's just really hard to decide and I, I'm feeling a little bit guilty right now. The fact that we're not going to be spotlighting Patrick Willis because I'm going with someone else. But when I think about Patrick Willis playing and I'll just remark on this, it feels like every time I watch this guy play he have like, you know, 15, 20 tackles. They're an interesting element for Patrick Willis that I always associate with is a fantasy league that I was in for so long. Had a defensive side of the ball too. And Patrick. Patrick Willis was by far and away the number one defensive player for so many years be based on how many his tackling history. And so it was always fun to see like come like round four instead of taking like your second running back, people would start drafting Patrick Willis. So that's. He was a transcended fantasy player and obviously a hall of Famer and one of the all time greats for the 49ers. I just wanted to take a second to highlight Patrick Willis and he seems like one of those guys that he lives on because I always see incredible Patrick Willis cards get posted on Instagram, which is fun to see. Yeah. Shout out individual defensive player fantasy leagues. One of my leads, we have two IDP slots and yes, Patrick Willis was always huge and Luke Keakley and Paul Puzluzny from Utah was a sleeper for whatever reason. I remember he was just getting over a hundred tackles every year and those solo tackles being worth a point. If you had a linebacker, you know, grabbing seven, eight tackles a game, that's huge. Sh. Sean Lee was another random linebacker who was always drafted because he had. He was always above a hundred tackles. That was another name that came to my mind. But I want to highlight and that Darius Shout out Darius. So yeah, I mean he was just a freaking nature with the fumbles and the picks and everything. I, I hope at some point people go back and just realize the greatness of, of. Of Leonard the maniac. I mean he was on a Hall of Fame trajectory and just. God, man. It's just the injuries. One, you know, one little injury nerve and then all of a sudden you can't bend over and you can't play football anymore. So life comes at you fast. But I wanted to highlight Ray Lewis. I felt like we got to Talk. Ray Lewis, two time Super bowl champ, Super Bowl MVP. Two time NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Seven time First Team All Pro, three time Second Team All Pro, three time solo tackle leader. Three time combined tackles leader. He had 2059 total tackles, which is the NFL leader all time leader. Peyton Manning once said Ray Lewis was the greatest player he ever played against. Ray Lewis played from 1996 to 2012 as a Raven. The longevity is there. And so my question that I want to present back here, is Ray Lewis the greatest defensive player of all time? I mean it's. He has a great case for it. I think the longevity too is awesome. And from a card perspective, what a great era of sets to be in from 96 all the way to 2012. First year of PRISM. Just like shout out sea ice cars, great Ravens collector, just the Ravens runs. Just having those Super Bowls in like the late, you know, flir tops era. But then also the prism stuff, just dudes all across the board in multiple eras. But Ray Lewis, as far as best, let's see, I'm looking up his first team all pros. So he's seven time first team all probably that's pretty crazy. Two time defensive player of the year. Got some MVP votes some years. Super bowl mvp. Did he get a Super bowl mvp? Yeah, yeah, he did. Wow. Two Super Bowls. I mean, all time leader in tackle. Like. Yeah. I mean is he the goat a couple, couple murders. Got away with too. I mean that's something. Allegedly. Yeah, allegedly. Of course. Him and Marvin. Allegedly. Yeah. I mean I wouldn't argue against it. I feel like I do love the. We love an Aaron Donald around here on the football card pod. And Lawrence Taylor is up there, but Ray Lewis has an argument with all those guys. I sat, I sat there and I ran through it. I ran through the Aaron Donalds, I ran through the Lawrence Taylors, the Deion Sanders. I just, I, I ran through it all the Reggie Whites and I can't anybody ahead of Ray Lewis for Me, for me, I just. The, the. Yeah, the accolades, everything. And yeah, I don't know. He. Without Ray Lewis, do the Rev Ravens ever really, like, get off the blocks as a franchise? I don't think he's just like, he is. He'll always be that franchise's best player, no matter what. Like, no. Nobody else is ever going to come along while we're alive and be a better player than Ray Lewis. I don't think so. I don't know. All those things combined. I'm just like, I think Ray Lewis is the greatest defensive player of all time. And I've never sat and tried to think through it, but I think that's where I'm landing right now. Yeah, I mean, the more I'm looking at his profile reference page and just in general. So. Another thing I always like to do is that we've talked about is looking up the, the av. The approximate value is how they, you know, give a rating to these players. And of everyone to wear 52, Ray Lewis is number one with an AV of 224, which rarely do I see anyone in the 200s. And then the next closest is Mike Webster with 150, also a Hall of Famer. But just having that, what, 74 point gap between Ray Lewis and number two, who's also a Hall of Famer, is pretty crazy. Ray Lewis is. What's Pat. What's Patrick Willis? Patrick Willis. 108. Good Lord. I mean, Patrick Willis only played eight years, so he just didn't, you know, have his. Because part of that is a longevity stat, just because every year you're adding to your overall av. But Ray Lewis was just so consistent every year he's like right around 20, which is, which is crazy. So, yeah, I think you got a good, good point here. I think he might be the goat. I think the longevity side, though, should be rewarded and taken into consideration. I am, as I grow older and become a football fan, I just, like, I don't know when I was getting ready this morning we were talking about. Or I was thinking about like us recording this, and I was thinking about longevity in the PRISM era. And we had like, who is the PRISM king? And we talked about, like, Russell Wilson, who's now retired, and Matthew Stafford being in every year of prism. And I just, I consider that. And I started thinking about Stafford. I'm like, man, he has just had a hell of a career and obviously he's super bowl mvp, all those things, but the longevity is, is something. And we thought, we talked about Aaron Rodgers Last week. Longevity, there you go. To like, positional players. Like, we're here, like, locally. There's a lot of chatter around another contract for Jonathan Taylor, which would be his third contract on the Colts, which you just don't see, like, teams giving out three contracts to one player. I think the last time it happened was Frank Gore in San Francisco. He got three contracts with San Francisco. But it just doesn't happen because these guys come and go and people don't want to pay them money, the, the money. So I don't know, like, my position is, is like, if you could get three contracts for one team, like, that is a signal of longevity. And that is something I think we should celebrate. And we take all this all the way back to Ray Lewis. He didn't leave Baltimore. Like, he 96 to 2012, just absolute domination. So I think longevity is, is underrated. And I know we have talked about, like, these moments of time, like Chris Johnson and what he did in this moment and you know, Priest Holmes in these moments, which are the peaks are great, but I don't know, something about just being there and being consistent and being an all pro player for a very long time, that stands out to me because it's just, it's very, very rare. Yeah, I mean, I feel like longevity, the only reason it gets a knock now is basketball. LeBron James, I feel like before, everyone always admired that Kareem played 20 years. And then in football, like Brady playing into his 40s, it was like, whoa, this is amazing. We've never seen anything like that. But the narrative around longevity is like, oh, you're just stat padding or, you know, you're just continuing to play to pile up stats. But if you can still play and pile up stats, why wouldn't you? Like, I'm not mad at Ray Lewis for playing 17 years. It's like, hell yeah. Especially football, the way the body, the, the beatings these guys take. Like, but, you know, imagining how I feel waking up every day as and there's players like, Ray Lewis is older than me playing in the NFL. That's insane. Yeah, I, I, I, I was getting like, really nerdy into this and like Jonathan Taylor specifically, and they were talking about his carries at Wisconsin, all Colts. I mean, he's been the bell cow everywhere he's been. And it's the volume of carries across, like his collegiate days to now. I wish I could remember the number, but it's, it's absolutely insane. But still, still going. So maybe aside here because you triggered something on a little Basketball card podcast here, obviously, like, I've shared, like, on my platforms, like, the, the Knicks, like, big win. As much as, you know, they, they were the best team. Without question, they deserve the, the team, you know, they dominated. And so we'll just leave that at that. Congratulations, New York Knicks as NBA champions. But we, you celebrate these championship moments for like three days and it's on to like, the draft in the next season. But you mentioned LeBron James. Like, we are on. We are on LeBron watch. Like, that's what I'm paying attention to now because you've already had, you know, clutch come out and say, you know, these were worth listening to. People talk to us now. And so I don't know right now we're in June. What do you think's happening with LeBron next year? Like, if you had to bet what's going to. What's going to go down, I bet he stays in Los Angeles. I just can't see. I mean, I love the idea of him going back to Cleveland for a year. I think that would be a fun final thing. But I don't know. Anytime I think something like that will happen, it doesn't. Like, I feel like he'll just stay with the Lakers one more year, do a final farewell thing. That's what, what I think. I don't know. But he, he's out here already on Instagram with a gray beard, golfing all the time. Maybe he's just done. I. That would, I would think that's awesome too, if he just called it, ended it right now. But. But then I'd want him to, to see. I'd want to watch like one more season knowing that, like, this is the end. But I don't know. I haven't been keeping up on it enough. I need to see what Wendy's saying and what, you know, the. What's Poly Market saying? Where's he going? That's. Where's Cow? She's saying he's going. Those, those places are always right these days. Yeah, I, I don't know if he's gonna be. Stay in la. I. I don't know. We'll see if you can find out. Dig into what Poly Market is saying right now as I'm digging through this. That would be helpful. But I think, you know, he's going to, he's definitely going to come back because you've got to give like the final lap tour and I would imagine maybe it is la, but he's, he's going to pick the place where he can Win another championship. And that, that's. Yeah, I feel like he's. He's got to try to win one more and find the best situation. And, you know, I'll keep my optimism that him and Halle are boys. They're doing a podcast together at Fanatics Fest. They've been on record for really liking each other. How about LeBron James here in Indiana? I can. I can dream, can't I? Yeah. All right, so Polymarket has casers, is under 1% chance. The Lakers are 71% chance. So they're leading. The warriors at 20% are number two. Okay. And then the Cavs down there at 12%. So I guess I don't know how Poly Market works exactly because it's saying Lakers 79, Warriors 12, Cleveland 12. Well, that's over 100%. So I guess that's not how they, they do things on the market. But yeah, Lakers are. Are. I. I don't want to see him go to the Warriors. That would. No. Not be fun. No, I don't want to see him stay in la. I want, I want to, I want something just different the final year. So same. I would ideal to me is go to the Cavs for one final year. That would be cool. But, but did you see the Cleveland Cavaliers? Did you. Do you. Does he really want to walk into that situation? No, he does not want to go play with James Harden. So maybe, maybe we flush all of this down the toilet and LeBron just goes and signs with Jerry Jones and plays for the Cowboys for a year. That would be. Actually, that's number one. Is seeing Brown line up at tight end for one year. I bet right now he would be a top five tight end in the league. I think so. I mean, he's. He's six, nine. Like, it's so crazy to think of basketball player heights compared to football player heights where like Calvin Johnson is huge, Randy Moss is huge, and they're both like six, five. Like, they'd be just guards on a basketball floor. You've got Wembley catching fates. Oh, God, no. He'd be broken in half. You've got, you've got McBride, you've got Loveland, you've got Warren, and you've got LeBron James competing for the All Pro spots. I'm taking LeBron. Hey, here's the question and we can move on. If LeBron James got up and had a press conference and said, the game of basketball has been a lovely game, it's meant so much to me. It's meant so much to my family and I appreciate all you as fans and all the contributions. Hopefully you can appreciate that I made to the game of basketball. I will always love it, but I am taking my talents to the National Football League and there's only one place that I want to play. I want to play tight end for the Chicago Bears. Are you saying, hey, Loveland like, like, but love, like if LeBron James goes there, Loveland can't play this year. Like what, How? What. What are you doing? Oh, that's a. That's brutal. Because I love me some Colston Loveland, but I, I'd have to. Oh man. I want the circus. I want. I want bronze. I just want that 23. Well, who's wearing 23 now? Roshan Johnson? I don't know. The. To the James Bears jersey. I might just have to get a custom James Bears jersey and just for. For myself. Yeah, I don't know. That'd be, that'd be tough because I do think Colson Loeland is an absolute baller. Yeah, he's. He's shown that before we move on this and I know we got a mail bag to get to. I just wanted to highlight the highest selling Ray Lewis card of all time for $19,500 is the absolute kaboom purple Super bowl vertical PSA 10. So that I'm looking at these sales of Ray Lewis and if you collect Ray Lewis, you're probably like, hey, shut up. Ray Lewis seems like a guy people should be buying. I mean maybe you can't find the stuff, but his price is comparatively to me saying that. And again, I'm not getting people to try to buy stuff, but in my opinion, he's the greatest defensive player ever. I feel like his. His cards haven't quite caught up yet. Yeah. And looking at this purple kaboom, that's the only sale of that card. Like, I know those aren't numbered and they're said to be super short print or whatever, but that is pretty crazy that. I mean, is it a one of a kind card? There's only been one sale. Yeah, but the per. The purple. I mean this isn't a card for me. But purple with the Ravens jersey, that's. That's a nice little combo. Yeah, you get. You get the color match, which is kind of nice. But yeah, we got some quite. By the way, everyone, we are. We're the most. We're recording this a day in advance. We've got an away game for pack. We aren't as prepared as we normally are. So we're. We. We got Questions from you. So I have not really looked at them. So should we just let these rip? Let's. Let's do it. Yes, this. Thank you all bearing with us through the adversity here. But we've got a few questions for episode 52. First up, from Van Isle Cards. My fellow girl dads. Is it time for us to start training our daughters to be future flag football stars? The sport really seems to be gaining momentum. I could definitely see Leaf putting out a flag football set if they haven't already. Is flag football gaining momentum? That's news to me. I. I've heard some chatter. I think there's some validity to this with females getting involved in football. I think there's leagues that are supportive of females playing football. Like, I. I have not dug into it, but I think there's some validity to this. My response to this is I might be interested in pushing my daughters to flag football. But first we're gonna have to. To make sure that they don't want to be the next AEW or WWE Champion. So we got. I'm running the. The. The PC in my basement trying to, you know, we're working on how to bump, and we're working on safety. When it comes to wrestling, they. They get power bombed each night. Well, the. The youngest doesn't. She's too little. But I kind of call it a powerbomb when I'm putting in her in her bed. But yeah, if they don't have interest in wanting to be a professional wrestling wrestler, because that's my. My dream is to retire from all of this and just go travel the world and watch my daughters just, you know, wrestle. The entrances, the fan bases. I want to be a part of that. So I'm hoping at least one of them shows interest in that. If none of them do, maybe we'll look at flag football or just stick to dance. I don't know. We'll see. Well, I love thinking of wrestling as part of the nighttime routine. Like, did you brush your teeth? Did you take your chops? You know, you got to give 15 chops before you go off to bed. Do you think you'd be a flag football dad? What are you thinking? No, I don't think so. I mean, if. If that's what she wants to do, go for it. But yeah, I feel like there's other pastimes I'm going to try and push first ahead of flag football. But hey, if the. The gridiron's calling, let's go and let. Let's go pro and Then I, yes, I would want cards. Maybe LeBron needs to go to the flag football league. Maybe that's what will happen. Playing a bunch of. Playing with a bunch of. I feel like. So isn't flag football going to be an international sport? Like, isn't it going to be an Olympic sport? Is that my imagination? Yes, that is correct. In a couple years, like 20, 28 Summer Games has flag football. I feel like you gotta have some NBA guys, right? I know. I, I always wonder how they pick some of these teams. Like when you see those things where it's like, here's the US Men's basketball three on three team and it's three dudes I've never seen in my entire life. Yeah. Like, how would you, how are there not three pro guys who would want to do this? So I don't know. I, I would love to see if the Olympic flag football team is all NFL players. But then I wouldn't be shocked if it's, you know, people I've never heard of. How about World cup card podcast? Did you watch the United States? I did not, but I had tabs on it. I was checking in on that one, but no, I'm kind of been on this remote tip the last few days, so I haven't done as much TV watching or catching up as normal. But I mean, an impressive outing, four to one and looked really, really good. Did you watch? Yeah, I did. It was perfect because I had almost forgotten about it and got done with the nighttime routine and I was like, oh, this is great. And it was certainly entertainment. Definitely not trying to get over my skis. Well, hopefully they make it out of group play, which it looks like they should. But I was telling, talking to my wife, we've had World cup on every night and it's fun to, to watch it. And I was just saying, you know, these math, these, these matches are fine, but it's really like the, the knockout plays where like you get the teams who can actually win and they're, you know, they're not trying to tie, like they're just going for it all. So I'm ready for that. But I've been enjoying the World Cup. It's been fun. Yeah, it is a great event. I love watching it. And yeah, when we get in the knockout, just the, the atmosphere is awesome. I've also loved on social media all the European fans experiencing American culture for the first time, like going to a bass pro shop or going to Arby's. So I have, I've seen that content. I enjoy that content, no doubt. What's, what's the next question here? All right, from our guy, TKD Tickets. He said ever since Topps now premiered in 2016 I've been a fan. I know when it debuted that many didn't like it since it wasn't pack issued. But over the last few years I think collectors have come to appreciate it. First year cards of Aaron Judge and Shohei Ohtani have really taken off and more recently the Curry, James Durant and Jack Hughes cards have been huge hits. How do you think the football card community will take to Topps now? I see the Mendoza draft selection card did 126,000. I think that means 126,000 units. Or did he have a card sale for $126,000? I did. I did not see that. I read it as if he had a card sale. We can do a quick little Mendoza. Yeah. And his. It must be units, must be full. Expect tops. Yeah, I think so because I think they released that number. I fully expect tops to create game used relic cards with actual game use footballs. The only downside is that it takes at least a month for cards to hit collectors hands. So I guess the question here is how do you think the football card community will take to tops now? I think that, I think that there will probably be some interest but I don't think it's going to be widespread. I think we know that we like the moments as collectors. We've talked about the finest product and why we like finest growing up. But I, I think Tops now is a great program. I really do and I have bought some Tops now cards in the past. But whenever I have to sit there and consent make considerations about what stays in what, what goes like I have got rid of those Tops now cards because there is like something deep down where I. It's a cash machine for tops. 1 like literally like they're just printing money and it's. These cards aren't in packs, they're just getting printed on demand. And of course you can. They can. They've got the parallels and you're hoping you get a parallel. But I just have reservations a little bit just based on the distribution of them and the whole idea. It's not a bad idea and I'm glad it exists list but I'm not sure it's for me. Yeah, I, I mean if the Bears win a Super Bowl I probably buy everything. Just you know it would take the right moment for me to get into this type of card. Like this isn't Something that I would, yeah. Be prospecting or like buying Mendoza cards or even any rookie Bears player. Like I'd want their actual pack issued card from a set. But like as far as the moment capturing, which is what the product is built on, I mean like I'm looking at the site right now and some of these Knicks top style cards, I'm like, these are sick. Like this just very specifically captures, you know, this championship moment. So yeah, it would take the Bears winning a Super bowl for me to get into tops now, but maybe in a year I'll have a huge top style collection. Who knows? $518,500 is what the Curry Night Night one of one PSA 10 sold for auto. Wow, that's crazy. And I think those sales are going to continue to drive. Yeah, the triple auto too, that never like surfaced still. Right. And that's. Yeah. And I mean it is. They're gonna be doing more and more of these. Like, I mean they saw they're. They're making like the OG and an OBI one of one with like the piece from the net from like that tip in. It's like that card is gonna go crazy. Like the. Or they did the quad or quintuple auto. All five of the starters signed one card. Like. Yeah, they're gonna keep manufacturing these big buzzy moment cards. So they'll get me eventually. Once. Once there's a moment, they'll get me. Yep. You just need to find your moment. Yep. All right. Couple more from Rusty Miller. How do you budget manage finances so you're prepared when a grail appears? That's a big question. Yeah, I think it's. Yeah, I think it is. I think the way I think about this is how I think about if I see cool cards that I like that I feel like there's some value in. I am a fan of buying those cards even if they're not adjacent to my PC because it's almost like a savings fund for when these cards do come available, it's so much easier for me to turn those around and say, okay, I'm going to send these to consignment to pay for said grail than it is to actually reserve cash because who the hell knows when this stuff is popping up? So the buying is such an important element in cards and I think a lot about buying and you make your money when you buy the card. And so I try to always like, I don't say to myself like, oh, I'm on a, a buying hiatus because if I do on a Buying hiatus to me, I'm, I'm losing money so I'm, I try to always be buying stuff and even if it's stuff that is not going to be long term in my collection, I'm buying it because I, I think the cards are cool and I know that if a grail does pop up, it can help me fund the grail. So that's like over the last couple years that's been a big revelation for me. Like it's cool, you get mail days, you feel good about it, especially if you found value and you just stash it away until that card pops up. We don't know when those cards are going to pop up. So it's good to be prepared and I would rather be prepared with cards than try to hold some money that I never know when the card's gonna pop up. So that's been my mindset. Yeah, I have a very similar approach because it's like when those cards appear it's not going to just be cash anyways, it's gonna be me selling cards to get it. So it's. Yeah. And it all depends on what, what the card is. It's all situational. Like there are cards I thought I would never sell and then that color finite showed up and it just changed everything. So I. And everyone has an example, probably something like that where you know when an opportunity presents itself. Yeah. You just gotta be ready. All right. From Steve's PC. Not a question, but a compliment. Love your dynamic. Feels like listening to a conversation with a couple of good friends. Thanks Steve. PC. Appreciate the support, Steve, you're our friend. Thanks for listening. Yes. And then finally from Bolt Card crew, he just says check out Tomlinson's index on card ladder. Spiky. So I think this Tomlinson had a pretty big sale recently. His black tops chrome refractor, his 2001 rookie card, it's numbered out of 100 and a PSA 9 just sold for 6,300 in April. Just two months ago it sold for 4,300 and in last November it sold for 2,700. So a nice little 103% gain in just what, seven months, eight months. Because his index, the thing about the indexes on card ladder is they're based on specific cards and so his index is. Looks like it's only his 2001 tops stuff is even in here. So his index spiking is a result of this specific card spiking and the reason for it, I don't know, I feel like. LT is just a Legend and a memorable player. For a lot of people where you're thinking about all time football players, you think about Tomlinson. I know when I got back into collecting he was one of the first names I thought about and then I was just like wait, this guy's too expensive. I'm going to buy Priest Holds in Sean Alexander instead and kind of should have just been buying lt, I guess. Yeah, I, whenever I see a young running back sell for like thousands of dollars, which, hell, I've participated in that as a Jonathan Taylor guy, I always just think about what's Ladanian Tomlinson doing? Because he's kind, he's kind of like the central force and I think he's got collector, we know collectors, he's got collectors. But I don't know, I feel like still there's a lot of room for his cards to grow because everyone has nice things to say about Tomlinson. He, everyone's connected to Tomlinson through fantasy. He's got the accolades ever. I mean he just, he was it. So I still think Tomlinson's cards have a lot of room to grow. That's just my speculation. Yeah, absolutely. All this football stuff to me is, I mean that's why we are collecting it or part of the reason it's just feels like an opportunity. It still feels undiscovered. Because it always brings me back to when you see like a Keith Van Horn card sell for $20,000 and you're like wait a minute, that's more than like Tomlinson's highest sale ever is $20,000. So yeah, just on a comparing the name basis it's like you could have one of the best cards of this all time football legend or you could have one of the best cards of a role player in the NBA and they're the same price. I'd rather have the football legend. Yes. Keith Van Horn is always the example by the way. He is always the example. I wonder what, what is Keith Van Horn's highest selling card these days? Need to just make sure that my reference DMT green is my guess. Oh my God. So in March of this year his red PMG a PSA nine which is, it's a pop one very high grade. Wow. $41,400. Those, those set collectors, they're talking about an upgrade. I'm tired of my, I'm tired of my eight. I'm going to pay 41K for the, for the pop one. There is no way in January of, there's a seven in January of this year. His green sold for 10K. I'd rather have the green. Yeah. At 10K than the in a PSA 6.5. Wow. And that card has sold three times recently. But we get speaking of, I mean we're sitting here talking about, you know, 97 Keith Van Horn. You know, PMGs. Let's get into some sales shout out card ladder. We have not shouted you out yet. We all love the card ladder platform. Here's one for you pack. I saw the sale. 2012 Silver Tom Brady PSA 10 $33,000 pop 24. This thing sold on Fanatics for 33K. So this card last sold in February for 26,400 and then before that in January of 25 for 10,800. So in about a year and a half the card has gone from 10800 to 33,000. That is a meteoric rise that I mean yeah. Legendary card, legendary set. It just makes sense. Like you know, getting your hands on a gold of this card is become is probably very difficult to do for most collectors. The black finite. I mean we've never even seen that. So it's like if you want to collect Brady from this set, high grade of his prism silver makes sense. But man, that's a lot of money for pop24 though. I mean that I guess that tracks as far as the value. I mean that's a rare card. Only 24 gems. It's a lot of money. It's not what I would be buying but I can see how it makes sense. I mean Keith Van horn selling for $41,000. So people want high grades. I'm not sure I, I I I think it makes sense based on the set and Brady and everything else. I think what's most alarming to me is the demand to pay that much more in a short time frame. Yeah, but like there's only 24 of them. Like I don't know. Yeah. This card will always matter but it just tell like what is the gold? What are the golds worth right now? You know, I would love to see one of those hit auction. That would be a lot of fun. All right, next one we've got 20. We got the 25Ameca Buka black finite. Really good rookie receiver. Just wanted to highlight this. PSA 10 has sold practice jersey soling for 8,000 for 400. So I just wanted to highlight that like if you're out there trying to get finance to some rookie positional guys, this is about where we're at. So he's in store for a big sophomore campaign. But Not a bad sale. Yeah. These. I mean, I love skill guys and I love collecting them, but it's just amazing how fast that revolving door goes where I think of. Remember when, like, Brian Thomas Jr. The Jags guy was like, the next thing. And Malik neighbors even, or lan McConkey. Like, all those guys, for a second were the best prodigy. Garrett Wilson. And their second year, just maybe they don't have that massive breakout year and then their prices fall off a cliff. Like, I feel like a Mecca. Like, had a good year. Yeah. But if he, you know, he didn't even break a thousand yards. If he doesn't break a thousand yards again, he'll just be old news and this will be on discount. So. Cool card, though. Next one. They keep popping up. Maybe people are tired of owning them. The 2015 Top Scrum Super Fracture, Drew Brees $4,440. That just seems like an underwhelming amount for a Drew Brees Super Fracture. But we've talked about how we don't love 2015 Topps Chrome. What's your reaction to this? Yeah, that's a. It's not my favorite year at all. We have publicly shamed this year, in fact. But, yeah, I mean, if you want to get in on the Super Fracture market, this is a, I suppose a good entry point and cool picture. I like the All Blacks that. That's how I remember Breeze. So I do like the photo on this one. Okay. We're going to close it out with two positional or running backs, two sales. We've got the McAffrey 2017 Donrus Optics, the Rookies insert gold vinyl, one of one, and a PSA9 selling for $3,438. What do you think about this sale? That's cool. I would want that if I was a McAffrey collector. I'm not like a insert guy, but I feel like the rookies has such a heritage and legacy. Yeah, that was on cards, you know, way back in the day, so. And. And this doesn't scream in my face like that. It's an insert. Like, it still looks like a cool base card, just with a little the rookies emblem. So I think this is a sick card. Feels like McCaffrey hasn't been with the Panthers in, like, decades, doesn't it, at this point? Yeah. Yeah. It's getting weirder seeing him in Panthers now. And you're weirder seeing them in 49ers. Yep. All right, final card. This one I thought was sick. We've got the 2016 rookies and stars, Derek Henry, Crusades black one of one in a PSA 10. This sold for 3240 bucks. But crusade, such a lineage legacy. The blacks. I don't know if I've ever really seen a black. This is a rookie card on top of it. Just a sick card. Yeah, this is incredible. I've seen. I'm pretty sure Jason Chicago bears cards has a JJ color black crusade 101. That is just awesome. So, yeah, this is definitely feels like a slept on set, slept on card and of Henry. I mean, it's a rookie. This card. This card rules. All right, Shout out card letter. That is the market update. All right, we'll just do some quick collecting updates. Card call out. Get out of here. Any collecting updates on your end, Brett? Yeah, I. I bought a Carson wins card. How about that? Okay, there we go. I bought the 21 Carson Wentz Prism Gold Vinyl PSA10. Popped up on ebay. I can't remember if I smash men or get. I think I gave an offer and got it. And then I was at this. I was at the zoo with my daughters. This was a zoo by. They were eating ices. They wanted a treat. So I loaded them up with sugar. And we were in the plains looking at ostriches and I saw the Josh Downs 24 gold vinyl and an SGC9.5 and bought it at the zoo. So I bought that card because I have the gold and the black finite. And so I now I have the tri finite of Downs who's going into a big contract year. And here's a question for you. So Josh downs on the card, he's wearing jersey number, jersey number one. And the card is one of five. So it is a jersey number. But now Downs wears two because sauce Gardner got one. So is it still a jersey number card even though he doesn't wear it anymore? It's a jersey number card if the number matches the jersey number on the photo of that card. It does it does it. My mind. That's. That's how it works. That, like, Kobe murdered 8 out of 10, but he's wearing 24. To me, like, that's not a jersey number card, but I guess it kind of is. It's like this. It's a secondary jersey number card. Oh, yeah. But that's a great pickup. You're not. Nothing better than a zubai. Just a little strolling, looking at the. Looking at the monkeys and then smashing. Ben. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll tell you what, man, I. I just. I'm having this energy around the gold vinyl out of Prism. It's just those cards kick ass, man. There's only five copies. I just. I love those cards. So much so that those were my pickups. Did you get any? I know you've been traveling. Did you. Have you bought anything? I've bought some stuff, but I don't have anything in hand so I will wait to talk about it. But I did get outbid Yesterday on a 2002 finest refractor, Rod Smith. Just one of the random ones that I need for my refractor set. And I put in a 25 bid. And then I was like, all right, I'll come back to this later when the auction's ending and just make sure I'm mega bidding this so I don't lose it. And I thought 25 would. Should just get it done. These are like four dollar cards and I just missed the end of the auction and got outbid. Someone else paid $26 for this rod Smith card. So if you're listening and that was you, I will. And you want to make money, I will buy that card from you immediately. But yeah, I had some other purchases too just in the wake of the the Knicks championship. Not any Knicks cards, but just seen like shout out Danny modest card collection and congratulations to. To his New York Knicks. But just seeing how happy Knicks fans were and like the people who have collected Knicks all the way through. Like how good of a moment that must feel. Like I was like, I think I need more Bears cards. I think I need to stock. Dude. So made a couple emotional Bears purchases in the wake of the Knicks winning the championship. Dude, I love that. There must have been something in the air because I'm. I've just been very at it. Those two gold vinyl purchases, it's like, it's like me talking to myself in the mirror. It's like don't move off the plan. And I'm. I'm having more energy than ever before on my side. Colts collecting stuff. So there must be something in there. Maybe we can thank the Knicks for something for. For our team collecting, getting energized. Yeah. I mean I know you hate them, but there is something about seeing just a fan base that hasn't won in a long time win. Like exactly why I would be happy to see the Bills win the Super Bowl. Like how cool of a moment that would be just as a sports fan, you know. So shout out the Knicks. I've got an idea for call. I've got an idea for card call out. We haven't talked about this, but I got an idea. All right. All right. So it's here. It's. I want. I want people to post their cards and tag the football card podcast of guys that were on your team for one season and you've got the card, but they. Just one. One season appearance. I've already got mine in my. I've talked. I've talked about one. I don't think I'll be posting Carson wins, but there's plenty of other ones. But I think it'd be fun to. Just to see that. To see a array of guys on a team for one season and you have the card. You want to remember it. So post those cards and tag the football card podcast is this. Does the card have to represent them on the team from that season? I. I would. I would prefer that. I think that would be cool. I just wanted to be. Yeah. You know what inspired this? And I don't think. I can't remember exactly how many, but I watched a clip of Joe Montana and this. I think it was maybe his final season. This kind of come from behind. Drive the team, drive the Chiefs all the way down the field in Mile High. And it was so sick. And I was like, man, it's so weird seeing Montana and chief stuff. And I'd be. I was. I just want everyone to pull those weird moments. And I think it'd be fun to see. Yeah. A lot of those 2025 prism guys that we were talking about. Here's the opportunity. Like Chris Carter on the Dolphins. Yeah, let's see him. That's a good one. Let's do it. Cards of players, one year with the team. All right, Post them on Instagram. Tag us the football card pod on the story. We will repost. And thanks for listening. We'll see you guys next week. 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