Wagner sale, Goldin gets signed Mantle, 1/1 Flagg, National theft update E398

All beautiful through all of us. Hands in the dirt hearts in the dust let's be the people, Yu-Gi-Oh we enough to build again from the broken trust we the ones still showing up holding hands when times are tough you and me, Yu-Gi-Oh we're enough all of us can make an impact. Yu-Gi-Oh even you. Listen to the full Gotta be us song and Be the people share playlists to get inspired. Hey, everyone, this is Tony with Rich and Brody. We're your host for this weekend's Hobby Hotline. How's everyone doing today? Rich and Brody, how are you? Well, I am playing a little bit hurt. I decided yesterday would be a brilliant day to get both my COVID 19 and my flu shot. As I said, everybody has different opinions about vaccines. I believe in getting them, but if you don't, I'm certainly not going to argue with you. And I had a sore shoulder when I was trying to sleep, plus I had chills for a few hours. So I'm playing a little bit hurt this morning. And one thing we were asked to do before we begin the fun part of the show, which is actually talking about news, is to show a card. Well, I found this this morning and he's one of the two people from my high school who has played in the major leagues. And his name is Harrison Bader. And I think if somebody's really inventive, they should come up with a card of him with on a scooter because that's certainly one of the most innovative injuries we've had in baseball in recent years. Pretty cool. How about you, Brody? Do you have something you would like to share? Okay, so my favorite player in the league, Brenton Doyle, he went on my show a long time ago, was traded to the White Sox. So I've got his jersey on today, got a custom jersey made a couple weeks ago, and I finally got his 20, Topps, Goldin mirror. I think these are pretty cool. Obviously got the gold on the back, but it's a pretty dope photo after he had a walk off. So that was a pretty nice card to add to the Brenton Doyle PC. Nice. So we'll show mine real fast. So with the all star game just Having finished in Philadelphia, 76, 96 and 26, I went to the card show we had. I think it was called the major league baseball fan fest in 96. And I pulled out from a free pack a 1996 Upper Deck. It's called you crash the game. I don't know if folks remember those in the chat, but essentially each of these players they had a date on the, on the card. This is July 4th through the 7th. And if your player hit a home run, then you mailed it in and you got a special card. And if you see here, it's Palmiro, not one of my favorites for multiple reasons, but he's a heck of a player. And that's the card I want to show today. Very cool card. Thank you. And it was a redemption and it's pretty blunt. I just want to say one thing. This is Tony's first time hosting the show. So if, if something happens, please show him grace and courtesy in case something goes a little bit off. Thank you for that, Rich. So the topics we have on today, there's four of them, usually three who think we could fit four in. We have two Honus Wagner cards to talk about. One ended this past week at Love of the Game. And everyone. We talked about that in the past. We'll skim through that. We also have the Heritage Honest Wagner Carto. And we'll show a little bit. We'll talk about that. Second topic, design. 1952 Bowen Mickey mantle card recently consigned to Goldin Third, we have the 101 Cooper flag redemption that was pulled. And finally, we'll wrap the show up with the national theft update. So let's get into the Honest Wagner card, which doesn't rhyme with bonus. So some folks think that the 1.33 million sale was not a lot of money. I actually think it was. And we have some comps to compare it against. I don't know if Rich and Brody, if you have any thoughts on this sale. Well, considering Mr. Oberman said he paid $75,000 for that card like 20 years ago, I think he did just fine. Thank you very much. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, I think for an authentic one, that's not bad at all. I mean, I agree with the richest boy, too. I mean, Yu-Gi-Oh that's a nice return on investment right there. Yu-Gi-Oh not bad. Then we had a comment which a few folks pointed out this past week was that the Wagner cut alone, which is this card before it was restored and you know, combined with the Tommy Leach card, Revelle thought it should be a, it might sell for $100,000. She just wasn't sure. Then I pulled up some values of car ladder and I think the best comp for that might be the card that's cut in half. And in 2022, this Wagner sold for $475,000. 476 if we round it up. So if this went for a Half a million dollars. Pretty sure this copy here even when before it was cut up, but it went for more than that. How many comments on this? I think Yu-Gi-Oh I mean if the one that was cut up, one for 476, I'd say it's a pretty good sale. I mean I, I'm not the hugest vintage guy, but seems like pretty solid for me. Yu-Gi-Oh Then we have this one ending at auction next weekend and this is part of the Heritage lot. This card has a little bit of history to it, just a little bit provenance. It's from the Charles Bray talked about it. And here we have the Piedmont cigarettes back. These are pretty rare. Folks may know that the P V PSA 8 card, which used to be owned by Gretzky and McNeil, it's also a Piedmont back. And so here's the note that Heritage included within the description for it and that last check, this card was already up to $3.6 million with the buyer's premium. Well, one thing to note is this card has provenance and I've always said in this hobby we will really become even more than we are. When people start appreciating provenance. There's a lot of times in the coin, in the stamp world there's provenance and it really helps with, with those collectibles. The cards need the same type of provenance when the basically the founder of through the mail autographs and I know there were other people before him, but he became best known for doing things was Jack Smalling. And one of my friends called me because he, he was reached out to by the families. One of the people, they wanted him to look at what they had. And I said I think if you can get the, get the collection at a reasonable price, it's really a no brainer because everything you send out a letter or you do something with a provenance that it's from the Jack Smalling collection, you know, and the people who know about the Smalling list know about it. And, and I think it's the same thing. I think the more we get providence into the hobby, the better it is. It's also better for the chain of how the cards travel along the years. And you know, that's just. And I know it's hard for some people to understand, but this is still a business for a lot of people. And as a business it's a really good thing to have. I think the, the letter I, I think that really shows just how much the hobbies evolved in terms of how much more money is Tyler redick here from 2311 racing another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chumba. Jump in@chumbacasino.com let's Chumba. No purchase necessary. BTW Group void where prohibited by law. CTNC21+ sponsored by Chumba Casino Grainger knows When you're a procurement manager for an office park, you're not managing one building, you're managing all of them. And to stay ahead, you need to see through walls and around corners. Lights about to fail, filters ready to clog H Vac on its last leg. If you wait until something breaks, you're already behind. Count on Grainger for quality products, easy reordering and 24. 7 support. Call 1-800-GRAINGER click grainger.com or just stop by Grainger for the ones who get it done between when that letter was written and now. I think that's a pretty nice add to it. Just looking at some comments here. Provenance John Keating's on this morning. We love John Keating. Yes we do. How often do you see him at local shows? Tony John we see each other. What about every other Philly show? He sees me, he tries to run away, but then I find him. It's like playing a game of tag. Johnson. I'm sorting OPG hockey, so he's in a fighting mood. Good for John. Next topic, we have the 1952 Bowman Mickey Mantle. Folks learned about this card earlier this year. This is the 52 mantle that was Beckett pulled in March or October 1952, most likely in October, sorry April 1952 and it was me all the way TTM to the Yankees organization and it was signed by Mickey Mantle. So this is pictures of Barry and Justin from Rabbit Hole and there's a few articles in the Sports Collector's Digest. We one-of-one get too much into that. It's already been reported on. But here's a nice close up of the Mickey Mantle. So PSA did encapsulate it and it got graded at PSA1 with an 8 auto. A few videos online have been made about the card, most likely from Steve Grad and others just talking about the signature itself. Then PSA did the right thing and they Beckett up how they authenticated the signature and they're standing behind it. And at the tail end of the national I found out much did everyone else at the same time was that the card has been consigned to Goldin and will not be featured in Rabbit Hole second Auction. How do folks feel about this card and this whole story? Well, once that card has the authentication. It's really hard to take it away. And, you know, and as you said, PSA has stood behind that card in the autograph. And as such, I'm pretty sure it's going to get really good money. I am not. You know, Steve Grad is obviously a very respected figure in the autograph world, so, you know, there is that too. But the cards in the holder, it's authenticated. It's going to do just fine. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, I agree. Like, it's. Somebody authenticated it. So NPSA is one of the biggest in the world to do that. So, I mean, it's. It's a great autograph. It looks really nice in my opinion, especially. I mean, it's an 8, but it looks he's going to gold and he's gonna get a lot of money for it. Raven Philly says he still gets the swimsuit. You change auction houses. You change auction house because you're going to get more money. Let's be honest, you're going to get more money out of Goldin than you out of Rabbit Hole. Yu-Gi-Oh So this, this would be Justin's second auction, I believe, with his Rabbit Hole company. And I think with a card with the background and the history of this card definitely makes sense to go with an auction house like Goldin With this particular card, if it's included within the vintage auction, you'll have Joe T. Talking about the card in addition to Ken Goldin if it was in any other typical like Goldin 100 type of an auction or a one of their catalog auctions. So I think for Barry, I think he and Justin made the correct choice by switching auction houses. They did what's best for Barry, in my opinion. Exactly. Goldin made an offer that Barry cannot refuse. The hobby mafia is no joke. I mean, Ken Goldin gets a lot of money. He promotes the heck out of things. He's gonna get a ton Bob Boozle with the quote we all were probably thinking about, who can refuse Ken Goldin a sweet, sweet man. Well, I want to defend Ken Goldin on something here. Back in the day, pre Covid at the show I used at the. I still run it from my synagogue, but it's now a very slimmed down version of what it was previously. And we used to do bags of cards with Prizm slips inside. And when the tax laws changed about 2018, Ken Goldin posted on Facebook that he was looking, you know, to help people who had legitimate charities with various items. And I explained to him what I was doing. And I will tell you, I got two huge boxes of things. And they were all in the price range that was perfect for the prizes for my show. 5, 10, $15, a couple better items. And I will tell you that people loved what he sent and I was very appreciative. It was well communicated and well sent. And anytime anybody wants to get on Ken Goldin I always tell him that even though there was a financial reason, because of new tax laws, he sent us some wonderful stuff. And I've always been very appreciative of what he did. So, you know, I always defend Ken, at least on that part of it, that he's. He has done a lot of good. Did you get a chance to watch the Thursday night Feel the Dreams game between the Twins and Phillies? I don't have Netflix, so I can't watch. So through to you. It's fun. Hitting two home runs is pretty interesting, especially to start the game. I mean, that's what Schwarber does, though. It's a fun game. I. I would definitely want to get down there sometime. Yu-Gi-Oh The reason I brought it up is because Ray from Philly talked about it here. Ken was front and center, right behind home plate. So you saw a lot of Ken during the game. So he's really getting himself out there. I believe Ken Goldin is also on the background of some basketball cards, if I remember correctly, because we noted it in the COM C database that he's the background of some cards and he actually juiced up interest in that card. Yu-Gi-Oh I don't remember exactly which one, but he's definitely in the background of a few comment here from Eric. There we go. Once they allegedly refused jsa, they. That is because in. In hindsight, now we know it's because Barry was consigning the card to Goldin Auctions and it's already PSA Certified. So it didn't make too much sense for them to go back to jsa. I mean, it's lab, you know, you don't. Do you really. You don't need a second person to authenticate it? Yu-Gi-Oh in this case, I don't. I didn't see the benefit. All right, any questions or more topics regarding the 52 Bowman Mickey Mantle, which this is a pretty low pop card. I didn't get a chance to look into any estimates of how much it would sell for. It's gonna go for good money. We. We could take a quick look. Ken runs his business very well. He is going to make sure everybody on the planet knows that that's being run through his auction here. We're doing a little bit of you see me typing. Ken, what does still have to say about possibly moving out of Texas? January 31st, we had one sell for 91, 500. That was a PSA one with a with a nine auto. And then we could sort by price in 2023. This one sold for 23 $99,000. And that's a five with a nine auto. It's a pretty nice card. We talked about this one. Wouldn't it be nice to own one of these Sharpie or even a ballpoint pen. It's pretty cool. Bubba Wallace here from 2311 Racing. You know what's slower than a pace car waiting at the car wash? That's when I fire up Chumba Casino. It turns those slow minutes into fast fun. With new games every week. You'll never get bored. Next time you're stuck in the slow lane, speed up with Chumba. Play now@chumbacasino.com let's Chumba. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group voidware prohibited by law 21 terms and conditions apply. When you're a maintenance engineer in a beverage manufacturing plant, you keep production lines moving and quality on track. Because there is no room for slowdowns. With Grainger's vast selection of high quality motors, sensors, belts and hard to find parts, you can get what you need fast and all in one place. So nothing gets in the way of getting the job done. Call 1-800-GRAINGER clickranger.com or just stop by Grainger for the ones who get it done. So let's move on to the 101 Cooper flag. That's part of Topps Chrome. Andrew had a little bit of video about it. Here we see the card being pulled now. I believe Brody, this is a redemption. Or is this the actual card? Yu-Gi-Oh it's a redemption that they can send to Tops to get the card. I mean, this is the biggest card of the year, pretty much. They estimate 3 million. There's been people offering $3 million. I think if you set it to a Ken Goldin or Heritage, it's gonna go for more than that. I mean, it's Cooper Flag. He's the biggest deal in basketball. It's gonna go for a lot of money. And then this came out of the 2025-26 tops. Topps Chrome update Basketball. Did you buy any packs of this product? I have personally not. That was the thing with this pipe for these debut patches. It's very expensive. I mean, we're in a day and age now where blasters are 40, 45. Bucks anyways. But I mean hobby boxes were pre selling for like 540 and now they're like a thousand dollars. They might start to dip in price a little bit now that that flag debut patch has been pulled. But there's still a lot of other big names that haven't surfaced yet. I just want to point out with all the people that love conspiracy theories. To me, where that card was proved, was pulled proves that Fanatics doesn't do certain things that some people think they do because if they really wanted to get maximum publicity for that card, it would have been pulled somewhere at the, at this, at the national convention. Yu-Gi-Oh I agree. 100. Could you imagine if that card had been pulled at the National. I mean my, my lord, of course, then you'd hear all the conspiracy theories. So I'm actually glad it got pulled where it got pulled because to me that shows that the conspiracy theorists are not always correct. In addition, there was some really cool stuff. The Mavericks offered 32 years of season tickets and some other prizes if you pulled that car. Now as for me, I'm 66 years old. 32 years of Maverick season tickets would put me at age 98. I don't think I'm going to be around that long, so I'd probably figure out some way to take the money instead. But you know, if you're of a certain age and you lived in the Dallas area and you pulled that card, you might just say I'll take that 32 year offer of season tickets and hope that some, that the Mavericks stay good for at least some if not all of that time. Plus they're moving to a new arena or they want to move to a new arena. This hasn't yet been built at the old Valley View Mall in Still in Dallas. And it's, it's basically a wide open space where they're moving to. It's, it's a mall that's basically died and the Dallas Stars are moving also to a mall that's basically dying as we speak. It's also been my walking place. So as a senior walker, I'm a little disappointed I'm losing my climate controlled walking place. On a business level for both of them it's a good idea and I think it'd been kind of cool to get season tickets for the, when the Mavs move to the new home in that new location. But that's a different subject for a different day. I mean they were nice tickets though too. If you weren't even there and you wanted to sell them Every game. I don't know if you'd make 3 million back, but you'd make a good, you'd make a good amount. You would, you would obviously get. Depends on the team. And it also depends on how good the Mavs are. Depends where your tickets are. And you know, like for example, if the Mavs are playing a team in the doldrums of the NBA and they're also the doldrums. I remember in the early 90s when the Maverick, the Mavericks pulled up back to back seasons of 11 and 13 wins. And so you can imagine about 1993 the Mavericks playing the Sacramento Kings. You're basically playing that game for friends and family. So you're not guaranteed of having great tickets, great sales out of every game you have now you've gotten really good money for the game Michael Jordan shows up for, but you're not going to get good money for the Sacramento at the time, I don't know, like even the Charlotte Hornets, you know, teams like that, you weren't really going to get good money. Take the money because with that money you can always get some pretty nice Dallas fabric season tickets. That's true. You can take it and then you can buy 10 games front row. Let's go on to our next topic. And by the way, if the, if the chat wants us a different topic the chat wants to talk about, we're always happy to hear from the chat there. Call in a little bit more Cooper flag items. So we have the National Theft Update. I know this is near and dear to some of us. We don't like to see items get stolen. Here's the card in question. So I believe this was valued at between 12 and $15,000 at 2025 Topps Chrome Mahomes variation with the gold Refractor and the. There was some pictures enhanced of the fella who supposedly was with a child and it turns out he was a grandfather and his grandson. We blocked out the child's face obviously and then this was Yu-Gi-Oh was used to enhance the picture. And the Rosemont police worked together with the national officials and the person was apprehended, 61 year old Michael. Michael Moretti. A lot of comments about this one here. The National Theft Update is that my card budget was stolen by, by Steel City DW Bob Boozle said, oh please, let me punch Michael. Well the problem with this is there's a lot of nuance which is kind of sad because as pointed out in our chat in our hobby hotline chat, the theft charge is not going to exist. The only charge that's going to be made is the child endangerment charge. And there's been a lot of comments about why would you not want the theft to be, you know, theft chart to stick. Well, one of the problems is that I don't know where the dealer's from and I don't know his financial situation. But I know if I had a $12,000 card that ended up being in police custody and I don't have a lot of money, I'm, I have a better shot of making money selling that card than I do of having it sit as a, as an item in evidence, you know, for who knows how long. And so that's one of the biggest issues with something like this is you may, you may, it sounds great to have, but a lot of vendors don't have a lot of cash, you know, maybe a little bit cash poor and inventory rich. And if that's the case, you can't really afford to be missing your $12,000 card. Now, looking at all that and TJ and Tony, you and I, we had discussions in our chat before this all happened. And you know how I tend to go off on how the national should have more badges per booth, etc. That's a perfect example of why you need more people. Because your back is turned and the guy just absconds with that card. Thankfully it's going to come back and you know, it was well videoed. But you have, no matter how careful you are, the more eyes you have on things, the better off you. And that's why I'm always on the side of let's have more badges for the national, for vendors, for the national. And as I said, it's not for the reason if, if a few of them buy cards early on Tuesday. It's not as big of a deal as protecting the people. You know, we know that cards are getting, that people are getting followed on the way home from shows. And there have been various thefts and various hobbies over the years. Anything that protects the people is worth doing. And that's why I'm always on the side of more badges for boots. Oh, Yu-Gi-Oh I agree for sure. I mean, I think it's, it's, it's good that they caught them though. I mean, a lot of these times these big thefts come up and nothing seems to happen from the national. It's good to see. But I also think in the future too, another thing I noticed is as dealers, especially with cards like this, you just, you gotta latch your cases. A lot of people That I buy from. They always got them locked. You gotta latch them. I mean, if there's a story, there's multiple stories every year. Latch your cases, play it safe. It takes 10 extra seconds. Lauren, who has some experience with dealer badges setting up at the national, says disagree. Three per booth. That limits the amount of dealer badges floating around at setup from non dealers cases locked. Three people is quite a few for the space allotted. Yu-Gi-Oh I see that point. And I also see. And then. And there are also people who agree with my point and I agree with Lauren to some extent. 3. I. I'm a big fan of three badges per booth because that's one per table. And that's really where I'm coming from. As long as it's three badges. And if you have two booths, you get six batches. So that was done. There looked to be only one person. And it wasn't a great setup for protection from what that vendor did either. I don't know if he had an option of doing a better way of protecting his merchandise, but it was certainly looking at how he set up the table. It was not a great way of. Of doing. Protect. Doing protection. And Rich, I, I've told this story. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, I was gonna say, going back to the story you mentioned on. In our Instagram chat, that the national used to tell people that they had undercover police walking around. Yes. 1984 national, there was a gentleman. You know, remember, it was a smaller show in those days. It was all just in one hotel, big or hotel ballroom. There was a police officer sitting at the front table at all times. And every hour, every hour and a half, they'd make an announcement. We have undercover cops walking around the show to prevent thefts. No, the. Nobody ever recorded a theft. That nobody ever reported anything being stolen at the 84 National. And you know how many cops were really walking around that show? Zero. But the deterrence was sufficient. Just could you imagine if you make an announcement every. Every once in a while that, hey, you know, we have undercover cops walking around and if we catch you, you're going, you're going to be arrested. And I mean, at the Dallas Card show, there are so many police officers walking around. It's very obvious, but you know, you can do it that way too. Deterrence is sometimes half the battle. Was there a second card stolen at the National? I saw, I did in the chat about A, a PSA 7 maze. I had not heard about that. I had an eiler. I read about two cards, but I wasn't sure. Mickey Mantle rookie stolen from their table. Basically they did great at the show other than that. And paying the guy for the car that got stolen was basically they ended up breaking even at the national. But I looked later is where the card was and they've. Since then they've also changed their security at their table. Now they have cameras. They do the Dallas card show. They have cameras at the, you know, every time they do a show now just to make sure there are things being, you know, being monitored and a lot of booths are getting cheaper cameras and they're doing that, you know, as a deterrence as well. Pastor Greg brings up a nice comment here. A big multi table booth needs a dedicated watcher such as security. Only think of like a bouncer, you know, unfortunate, but the difference is that the person wouldn't deal with any customers, unlike a bouncer, but it would just be a watcher. I think that's what cameras, which Rich, you spoke about as the Brody and others cameras kind of serve as that. But. But they're not real time. But folks should know, thieves should know in this day and age. I know they don't care, but they should know that everyone has a cell phone. Everyone with a built in camera. Pretty good camera. Now obviously then booths have their own camera set up, you know, higher up to capture everything like what happened here. I guess people just don't care. I mean we see all these Pokemon thefts at shows. At the Philly show, if they don't get you inside the show sometimes and the Philly show has presence on site also walking around, then they try to get you into the, in the parking lot or when you leave the show. So just be careful and always look over your shoulder. Well, I'd like to get more comments from Bo because BO runs both a sports card show and a Pokemon show at the same location. I believe. I, I don't remember if it splits days or whether it's a. It's a different show. But he actually runs two very distinct shows and he knows what's going on because he sees firsthand how things are being done at both Topps of shows. So, you know, it's, it's interesting. I'd like, you know, I'd like to hear from him a little more of how. What the difference with Pope with the Pokemon security is versus the sports card security. I could have some comments here. They're talking about the national should not be called the national because it's really not national nationwide then called the Midwestern. And here's a comment about the PSA 7. There was a PSA 7 that went missing. Just happened to know because I was at the table when they discovered it. I do not think the dealer went public about it. Do we know what type of maze PSA7 that went that went missing for a short time or tried to be stolen? It's one of the earlier maze cards. If they're. If they're talking about a card like that being missing I'm gonna guess it's one of the better earlier Willie Mays cards. There it is. 50 a room a rookie. 51 Bowman. 51 Bowman. Jim said it. Brad knows. Then we had some dealers add their own security at their boots. Did we lose. You know getting in well and I know there's some. Once you start charging you can anybody at any card and there is something to be said for that. You know you want to be. I think we lost Rich. I wasn't sure if it was one of us. Oh no. We will invite Rich back. In the meantime we're getting through the comments. Quite a few comments here. Pokemon dealers has some really good camera setups that double S security agreed with that Pokemon dealer. How to have fun anytime anywhere. STEP 1 Go to chumbacasino.com chumbacasino.com Got it. STEP 2 Collect your welcome bonus. Come to papa. Welcome bonus. Step 3 Play hundreds of casino style games for free. That's a lot of games all for free. Step 4 Unleash your excitement. Chumba Casino has been delivering thrills for over a decade. So claim your free welcome bonus now and and live the chumba life. Visit chumbacasino.com no purchase necessary vgw group void where prohibited by law 21 terms and conditions apply when you're a maintenance engineer in a beverage manufacturing plant, you keep production lines moving and quality on track because there is no room for slowdowns. With Grainger's vast selection of high quality motors, sensors, belts and hard to find parts, you can get what you need fast and all in one place. So nothing gets in the way of getting the job done. Call 1-800-GRAINGER clickranger.com or just stop by Granger for the ones who get it done tend to be on Tend to be a little bit more tech savvy than some of the vintage dealers in the sports card space. The ers shouldn't rely on just a camera. Yep, I hardly see any sports dealers with cameras. Agreed. Isn't working well today. Brody, have you heard of dial up modems? I don't even think so. We used to have a box that either went inside the computer or outside. And we used to attach it and that's how we connected to the Internet and used to make really strange noises which you could look up online. A lot of YouTube videos. It's pretty cool. It just made you laugh. I'm showing my age about modems at my shows. 95 of the theft would have been prevented by locked cases. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, you have to lock your cases. Once again, deals with high value items should have. Yep. Chad seems to agree. Yep. Sports car. The Illuminati got too Rich Brody never had AOL CD in the mail. Yu-Gi-Oh And you know, Talking about AOL CDs in the mail, I used to have DVD movies mailed to me in the mail. And AOL CDs was five years before, I believe, five years before Netflix started AOL Prodigy. Yu-Gi-Oh In fact, I saw my first baseball card. It was a 1965 Steve Carlton using Prodigy. Oh, hey, Rich, folks were asking about your dial up modem. Hey, you know, hey, hey, I love the AOL dial up. Hey, we still have a few of those Aol and Prodigy CDs hanging around. We can use them as coasters. You got me all. Here's a funny one. Brody never knew the pain of waiting 45 minutes to download a song from Napster. And also video games. We used to download video games using similar services. Babuza Rich, Defender, Ken Goldin And the Lord struck me down for that. Yes. This has been a great first time for me to do the technical background of Hobby Highline. We have great chats. They do not pull any punches in our chat. Chat is on the something. Chad is on the morning by Laura. And we have Wolfenstein. That was a popular game. And Mr. Boozle says rich seems different. They cloned him. My kids. And Greg says. Greg says my kids crashed our computer so many times with Napster and Limewire. Yu-Gi-Oh that's what they did. But I'll tell you one thing. Buying baseball cards back then on ebay, it was doable because the picture sizes weren't too big. And the way ebay was set up using Netscape, it was. It was pretty cool. So let's go on to the next topic before we have another technical difficulty. Probably on my end. But my kids are out of the house right now, so we don't have too much going on in terms of video gaming. So here's the Yu-Gi-Oh enhancement of the man we talked. We showed this earlier. Pretty nice article in Sports Collectors Daily about the lockup. It was a. It was a 61 year old grandfather. As we talked about police charged and someone in the chat said that the dealer was from the UK and probably just wanted to get the card back ASAP so they can sell it. And then Good old Chicago 5 News man arrested after twelve thousand dollar sports car theft at Rosemont convention. By the way, do you notice how often the 12 shows up in the room long before Brody was born. Do you remember in 1991 or so when this vet when this dealer at the store put a 12 meaning 1200 on a Nolan Ryan rookie card and a kid saw it and he was a sharpshooter and he paid and the person behind the counter who was watching the store didn't, didn't know that 12 meant 1200. And it became quite the most interesting lawsuit at the time because it was. You can read about it, but it's a fascinating story and everybody kind of now just doesn't want to talk about it anymore. But again, the number 12 shows up in the hobby that. Except that was $12 and $1200. Now not on the agenda. But we wanted to talk about a big card show, Rich, that has, you know, it started in 1989. 13 years or so, 14 years. Oh, 88. The East Coast national began in 88. Oh, because it says 89 here. So this must have been the second one here, that. The poster. It's the second one. It began in 80. Okay. Oh, sorry about that. And here's the poster of the second one where they had Mantle, DiMaggio and Seaver signing. And here we have. Yu-Gi-Oh and here's a little bit of background from Google. So Rich, you can you tell us a little bit about the show and how it evolved and the first time which you attended. Sure. The show. Okay. Gloria Rothstein and her family, they started running shows at the White Plains convention center circa 1982. Could have been 81 or 82. And the shows were a big hit immediately. The first show they ever had actually was the same weekend as the famed Willow Grove show. And if you'd ever been to the old George Washington Motor Lodge in, in Willow Grove and you survived, my congratulations. That that possibly is the worst hotel. Roaches don't even want to stay there. It's that it was that bad of a hotel. And by 1988 they had come up with the idea of not just using the upstairs for the show but but also adding a couple hundred tables downstairs. And so you had what they called the East coast national where you had basically 600 tables at the show. It's basically the size of the. What the current Dallas card show is. And Dallas card show may be slightly. And the show was of course, like everything else in the late 80s, an instant hit and it drew a ton of people. And as you saw by the second year they really went big guns with the autograph guests. And they continued as you see in 91 especially because that was the home of where Tops was. Tops did a four card reprint set and I think it was a 52, Mantle, 54, Hank Aaron and a couple other cards. And all those players, you know those cards were at the show and, and it's, you know, that's how important the East coast national was in the early days of that show. Now like a lot of other things, the East coast national did have some down times later. And then Jimmy Ryan and his team and Jimmy's now involved in the. And his team is now involved in the national. They purchased the show from Dean Rothstein and they really made a good effort to get the show back to where it was. And now they've sold that show. But the East coast national is just about back to where it was which is really very important show because it's a great show to go to in the New York area. The other thing is it's very accessible and if you live like in the city or whatever and you don't want to drive, if you live in New York City, you can take the train and it's about a five minute walk to the show from the train station. So it's a really easy way to get there. And you can also drive there. And I've done both and it's, and it's a, it's really a really fun show if you've never been there to walk around once if you live close to that area. And so I'm a big fan of that, of what that show is. Plus being from the New York area, there's a lot of good vintage at that show. And so when you like looking at old cards like I do, you really appreciate that show. At was it 91 or 92 when the East Coast national had four cards, rookie cards, 91. The back of the cards very clearly saying 91 East Coast National. And the cards you're seeing on the screen right now, I remember the Aaron because in. I got out of the hobby in 1992, late 92. But I remember this Mickey Mantle card was making quite the news because it was a reprint and it said East coast national. But Mantle was at the show signing these and these go For a pretty dollar right now on the secondary market still. Were you at that show, Rich? No, I don't remember. I think I was there, but I'm not positive. I went to most when I was at Beckett. I went to a lot of the east coast nationals, so I don't remember. I didn't go every year, but I went many years. So I don't remember what years I went and didn't go. And then I believe this is the website for the page for the. For the show today. Right. And then someone asked. Lawyer Rothstein is responsible for one of the great lines in the hobby. One time she was talking about the first show she ever did, and she was used to things like coin shows and jewelry shows where, you know, the people come in the work. You know, it's not Zebra heavy to bring stuff in. And, you know, it was a slightly. And the class of people were maybe slightly higher necessarily than coin, than card people. And she goes at the end of the first card, the first day she ever did the card show, she talked about how the. The show ended up smelling like a men's gymnasium. And that's where the fame story about putting a bar of dial soap behind every dealer's table when came from, because she wanted to make sure that every vendor at least did their best to be respectable for the show. And she was making a point. And that's where the story came from. Because, let's face it, you know, you. You know, you were. Both Brody and Tony were at the National. It was kind of crowded. It was so crowded that I don't care where you are, you're going to get certain things floating into the air. And it's not always necessarily the best. Best aroma in the show. Well, the car ladder booth, they were giving out deodorant, so that helped. And they had a ton of them. And actually not just them. The Dallas card show people give out deodorant, too. Oh, they. Oh, I didn't know. I haven't been to a Dallas card show yet. I'm barely able to make the Phillies. You too, Brody. Both of you need to come down to Dallas. I'm an Eagles fan, so I have to get over that hurdle of coming to Dallas. That's a valid. Someone asked about the Philly show. Really good barbecue. Yu-Gi-Oh this is true. I've been in Dallas once for a job interview. Well, two of them, actually, back to back. Pop you calm. I'm not sure if they're still around. So the Philly show folks asked about this. It's Another vintage centric show. I would say about 75% vintage. 25 modern, give or take, depending on which room you're in. The main room as a nice mixture, but you do have a lot of vintage there. But if you're looking for modern cards and also tcg, you'll find a ton. But there's three total rooms. And outside of the main room you got the back room where the autographs used to be. Then to the left you have another room and that's where you'll find a nice combination of modern and vintage in addition to unopened wax and also singles. And that goes from February 25th to the 27th. And I was just asked to remind folks, Ray from Philly and coach Neil Carboard, they're having a get together after the Philly show. It's not associated with the Philly show. It's just a get together of all folks who collect vintage and modern within the hobby, who post on social media, whether they comment or they produce content. And it's more. If you want more details about that, just look on YouTube or Instagram and search Ray for Philly and you'll find out about that. Pretty cool meetup. Just a bunch of people hanging out, talking sports and also some showing some cards. Any closing remarks? Well, Tony, we're coming up on the top of the hour. Thank you for doing such a great job and your first time behind the wheel. Yu-Gi-Oh you did a good job. You got a little debut patch on your shirt that somebody can pull out of a pack out of Alan Ginter next year. Yu-Gi-Oh this is my son's shirt that I borrowed. Sure, why not? All right. Hey, it's my one collection is hobby hobby sign cards. Could you imagine if we did a hobby, a hobby set. Gonna chat job. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you, Jim. Thanks, Brad. Thanks, Dukes. Thanks everyone. Appreciate all the comments. Yu-Gi-Oh chat was great today. Thank you guys. Lauren, you had a couple that made me laugh. Thanks everyone. The most expensive I've ever known one of my cards selling for is about a hundred and one dollars where I had a signed card to somebody named Ted who passed and I got the card back and the purse and actually I didn't get the card back but they posted it on ebay and another person named Ted bought the card for like $101. And I know there was an under bidder at least in the 90s, so that was kind of cool. That was kind of cool. So that's the most expensive card I know that I've had of my tops cards. Thanks folks. All right, run the outro and send us on our way. Thank you, everyone, and stay frosty. Thank you for listening to another episode of Hobby Hotline. We'd like to thank all involved with this show and in alphabetical order, I.e. Dr. James Beckett, sports card insights Brad Bethune, Tekken cards Danny Black at Sportsball Brody the Kid, the Hobby Life Herman Bryant, 3B Collection Corey Donovan, Yam Wax Chris Harris from Stalegum.com Drew Herndon of Let me get that potograph and let her rip John keating of that 70s card show rich Klein, the Legend Jason Martin from NASCAR radio Val Mars from NASCAR radio Mike Moynihan, baseball collector and benchmark player media John Newman from Sports Card Nation and Hobby Quick Hits Ryan Nolan breakout cards Adam Palmer, heroes for sale Victor Roman True rookie specialist Sam Shuford from the Woman of the Hobby Bo Thompson, one million Cubs and Hobby Revolution and Logan Ward of NASCAR Radio. Whether they appeared on this episode or a previous one, all these folks are involved with the show and we are thankful to have them. We'll see you next time on Hobby Highline. Tyler reddick here from 2311 Racing Victory Lane. Yu-Gi-Oh it's even better with Chumba by my side. 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