Wemby to the Finals & PSA Shuts Down Services | The Hype #438

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We got that to discuss. We got random news today, man. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for following us. We are going to be kicking off our ebay live re debut, the reincarnation of Mojo break on ebay live this week with extended series hockey that is the home of the debut patches of Michael Misa of of Schaefer. So big product for upper deck as they get into this game. Use debut jerseys and patches and a new crop of young guns. So catch us on ebay live. There's rumors that there may be a very special guest on Wednesday's show. If you're listening to this, you might have missed it, but you can catch the replay on that as well on ebay live. We're also gonna be doing singles on ebay live starting in a dollar. We've got some wembies going off on this Thursday as well as we're gonna be doing some TCG over there as well. So super excited. We just got back from the ebay campus yesterday. They really rolled out the red carpet for us showing us some some love and we're excited to repay that back with some fun and entertaining streams on ebay live. So we're gonna pretty much be live there every day and you can catch us on ebay live, whatever we're doing, whatever hockey product, whatever singles show we have going on, entertainment, all kinds of stuff and it's going to be a blast. So get on over there. One of the longest standing platforms that I've been signed up for 2004 for me. So when they were established in. Is it 95? I believe so. I think. I think I read that somewhere. I mean, we also did our little skit. You can see it on Instagram. Yeah, yeah, it's. We. We found the break room there over at. At ebay campus. Very nice campus, by the way. So just very. Get free coffee and free soda. I just. I think I'm gonna just go back there. I think I'm gonna go. I think there was some pastries. Yep. Gonna go. Anybody actually end up eating those pastries? I did not eat those nutmeg cookies that we grabbed. Oh, the. The cookies were. Are, I think in the building. I think they're here. I had to bring all that product in from my car last night before I left, and there was a bunch of relatively warm cookies. They were still in the bag. Nice. But, yeah, they. They were kind of melted, but they might be okay now. So you guys can have a little snack and tomorrow you're going to want to join these streams throughout this week at ebay as. As we're talking about this. And snacks are great, but free cards are even better because we're going to be doing penny drops, if you know what that is. That's the way that you give away. You got to have fast fingers. We're going to be doing some big stuff. I can't really, like, elude too much of what we're doing because it's going to be kind of a surprise tomorrow. But if you're into just winning some free stuff, that's awesome. I would definitely jump on these ebay live feeds because there's going to be some crazy stuff. So speaking of some crazy stuff, let's get into some web and Yama talk right now. You know the spurs are going to the finals any day. I think it's tomorrow as we're recording this on a Tuesday, the NBA final start. Knicks versus Spurs. I want to play a little impromptu guess that price with you, Dan. So there was a 2023 Select, Victor, Web and Yama Courtside PSA6. Oh, that just sold June 1st. What do you think? What do you think it went for $800. It's. It's. It's number to 10. Oh. Oh, I thought it was just a no courtside, courtside gold. Courtside gold plate. I didn't hear the gold portside gold number to 10. PSA 6. Okay, okay. 5500. 5500. 5500. Right on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just. I'm just confirming Your guess, it actually sold for $29,000. So a card that was graded A6, it actually in the title says undergraded which under undergraded. A potential. But you know what? For a modern card you got to say that that's, that's a pretty correct statement. Undergraded. It shouldn't. What happened to it? A six is tough. I don't know. After Web and Yama got hurt for the first time, maybe was thrown. I don't know. It just. $29,000 is insane to me. But that just speaks the market. I think what's crazy is that you know, you guessed that. I probably would have guessed a similar number to that without knowing the, the facts here that we, we actually. But if you go back, let's say you go back five months ago, 5500 probably be over. Over what? Over what it would sell for. But what I'm trying to. I guess what I'm alluding to is that you know, I'm a self proclaimed expert. You know, you may say I'm not yourself. I mean we've been living this, this industry for 15 years. So we've seen a lot of sales, we've talked about a lot of sales. We can't predict this stuff. No, it doesn't. That speak to how wild things are right now. Crazy. I think with that like I think the, the, the grade of it being a six is like kind of shock value. So I think we automatically just go oh that like that's. Well, that's gonna be well below if it was raw. Because if it was, if, if you said it was a PSA 10, I probably would have been like six figures. Like I would like no doubt. I would have been like 125,000. It's crazy. Like, but I'm just saying like when the day that the 2026 in June, it's almost impossible to predict pricing what a card's worth, how to comp a card like this because all of us would have been wrong. So. But we already talked about the, the wimy prices specifically a month ago that his finals victory is already baked into. His prices like that card will not go up if he wins. He could win Finals MVP and win the finals. And I don't think that card being a PSA 6 goes up. I think him winning and being the finals MVP is already baked into that price. It is. So you think we've already hit the peak of his pricing? I think it's a peak. I think it's, I think it's time to Sell. If you're holding Wimby. I think right now is the time to sell. I. And I. And I think they're. I think they're probably going to win, and he probably will end up being Finals MVP if they do win, but I don't think his prices are going to go up. We've been wrong. We thought the Thunder were going to win the final or the Eastern Conference finals. The Western. I'm sorry. Jesus. Western Conference. I mean, let's face it. I think we just got done watching the NBA Finals anyway. I think the Knicks do match up well for whatever reason, against the Spurs. You betting on the Knicks? No. Okay. No, I mean, I. I think. But I wouldn't have bet on the spurs to win the. The Western Conference finals either. I think Wemby is just. He's a. He's almost an impossible matchup. He definitely carried. Carried the team. I mean, Harper had some games. You know, you had, you know, had Vassell making. Had some moments, you had Fox making some shots, but really it was Wemby that was controlling the whole series. A lot of miles on him in that last series. Seven games. He played most of the minutes. He didn't sit out a whole lot. So, I mean, less rest than we're going to see with. What is he, 20? He's like 20, 23, 22. Yeah, he's like. He's got. I think he's got something left in the tank. He's got another series in him. So what are you saying? Spurs and four, spurs and five, spurs and six. I'm still the. The one. The one thing that I will say about the Knicks is that, like, they have to lose a game at some point. I don't think that series goes longer than five games. But the Knicks are on a tremendous winning streak for the playoffs. They are, they are. But it starts in San Antonio, too, so I think. Yeah, I. I think they lose that. I think. I think they get one game out of the series. I think it. I think it's 4. 1. 41 Spurs. But we also are going to have the NHL Finals at the same time. Yep. So we got the Vegas Golden Knights and the Carolina Hurricanes. Who do you got? I think I'm. It's hard to go with the Knights because of the rivalry, but I think. I think I'm going with the Knights. I. I'm going Knights. The Hurricane. The Hurricane's very good. Very good. But the Knights and I don't really feel like the. There's a rivalry between the Sharks and the Knights, who currently the, the, the Sharks have to be good and be a, you know, a playoff team to justify having a rival. Yeah, I mean they have the ultimate home field advantage of bringing the abroad team to Vegas. Right. As well. So I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't understand. Great food. Great food. Great food. Not a lot of temptations in Vegas. No, not at all. Pretty mellow city. Pretty mellow. No reason to be out until 3, 4 o' clock in the morning. It's pretty kind of mellows out at 11 o' clock there was this. So who do you have winning the cons Mic then the Con Smythe is the mvp. Is that the end of the playoffs? Of the playoffs? Yep. Oh, Mitch Marner. I think so. Yeah. I'm trying to find the video and I'm trying to. Poor Maple Leafs. Right. Well, they have Mitch Marner and then like he leaves and he instantly goes to Vegas and he's probably going to win a Stanley Cup. Well, this is the fight. This is. There's a girl and she's made so much content off of this. Right. So she's a Leafs fan, right. And at the beginning of the playoffs, you know, when all the teams were involved, she was like, if Mitch Marner wins the con Smythe, I will do whatever the top comment says. And, and the top comment is vote voted by people that are in the comments. Right? And it was, the top comment was have a baby with me. So she's been running with this thing like she's like, I don't want him to win the, you know, thing the, the cons mice because the Top comment like 12, 000 likes on this 1 comment from this other person. And, and she's actually made like 40 pieces of content just around this, this comment because he's like got like 20 goals or 20 points or whatever it is. Yeah, no, he's, he's killing it. He's had a great, great postseason. So she's, you know, she's kind of like now having to think about backing out from the, from the deal that she made because she didn't think that Mitch Marner was gonna continue, I mean ascend here. So that should be a reality TV show. Yeah, she might get a 90 Day Fiance. You can gonna have whoever wins a con Smythe. Yeah, everyone wins a cons. I mean it's, it's one of those things where she was so mad about Mitch Marner leaving the Maple Leafs that she hoped for his downfall. And it was quite the, the, the opposite of that. So that's what's going on there. And it's. It's an interesting scenario for her. I, I don't think in the world of that we live in, that you could just randomly do that with somebody in the comments and, and, and, and, you know, live out what the comments say, because. Should have been like, the top comment should be like, eat a bug or something. Right. Because that's, That's. That's something that you can. I. You do. You do social media, right? Do you think it's going to be that wholesome? No, No. I actually. I actually thought you were gonna say something far worse than that. No, I mean, that's pretty bad, though. I mean, yeah, that's pretty bad, but I. Unless it's a fairy tale wedding, and I think I'm desensitized to the, to the, the comments on. On the old social media that I'm just like, yeah, One, doesn't surprise me. Two, I expected it to be far worse. Yeah. Eat a bug. Eat a bug. Is that. Is. That's. That's way too wholesome. It's, like, too awesome. It's like Sesame street over here. Yeah, that's not where we're at. Yeah. Yeah. Not on. Not on the social media. No. And I've been just getting so. I mean, as I get ready for, you know, extended series and all this hockey I've been getting into lately, I'm getting a lot more hockey content. And that was one that is really ranking high on the content level of it because it is. It is very. I've watched controversial. I've watched a lot of. A lot of playoffs. It's been. It's been fun to watch. Vegas, man. Vegas is. Vegas is good. They're. And they're. They're one of those teams that I feel like got really, really hot at the right time. Another. Was it 33 years now without a Canadian team winning the. Winning the finals? Yeah. Last one, I think, was the Canadiens, and they were. I mean, they were in the running this year. And then obviously you've had Edmonton the last two years, too, that couldn't get the job done. Florida, I really thought. I really thought the. The Avalanche had a phenomenal regular season. And Brent Burns, former Shark, great on the Avalanche, but he was on the Hurricanes. Mm. This is the first year he's been on the Avalanche. Poor Brent Burns. Can't get a cup. Yeah, he won't. He can't. He's. He's cursed. He brought the San Jose curse with him. I mean, but you know, Pav's had a chat. But you know who can get one? Tomas Hurdle. Oh, Tomash Tomas can get one. Yeah. Mitch Marner is currently the favorite for the cons. M. Frederick Anderson, goalie for the Hurricanes is number two two, Taylor Hall. Number three, Taylor Hall. Carter Hart. I was gonna go Carter Hart. Logan Stankovin. Stankoven. Jack Eichel. 6 rounding out the Con Smythe, you know, champions. Is there a play on any of these guys is cards to maybe rise here as we talk about the, you know, Stanley cup final? Jack Eichel. You wouldn't. Wasn't. They're. He was a Leaf exclusive his rookie year. Was. He was. So you can still get his young guns, but I think. Still get his young guns. I think the autographs. 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Just trying to figure out like the route that the parade's gonna take. Probably not. I mean they should have a parade here just, just for the, the, you know. Well, either place four or five rampants that live in Northern California. Well, there's four or five that live in Southern California too. So. Levi south. They're not. Not when you, not when you're just making masterful front office moves like that. That is just a way to truly build a fan base. You go out and you get the greatest player at his position, a generational player, a Miles Garrett. You have a secondary that you went out and you just completely rebuilt. I mean Rams are, they're playing Madden on cheat code right now. $8 million hit cap hit on Miles Garrett is all they have to pay this year. Something else people weren't really talking about. 8 million. 8 million. So the Browns are paying the rest. And you know who the night and I was watching it, there was a Niner fan on, I think it might have been Twitter and Twitter, I believe he had a rant he was going off that the Niners just, they, they just don't make those type of moves. And the Rams go out and get Miles Garrett. The Niners sign Cam. Cam Sample. We signed Mike Evans. Cam Sample to Cam Sample. Is not, is not we Miles Garrett. But we have like now we probably. If you want to talk about the Mount Rushmores of receivers, they've all played for our team at this point now. Okay, so you got, you know your Brandy Moss, Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, Isaac Bruce. Your boy couldn't. Couldn't hang over there. And St. Louis. Why don't the Rams move back to St. Louis? That'd be great. Move back to St. Louis. Nobody's going over there just because they go to LA. They have like a LA vibe. How does St. Louis fans feel about this? You know, don't care. You don't care. Don't care. Yeah. And then the rumor today, we're talking today on Tuesday, day after the trade, is that the greatest. And you could. The Mount Rushmore of all time football players is kicking the tires on making a comeback. He's old. And that's the great Aaron Donald who coming back for veteran league minimum as a rotational player. On the defensive line. I'm sorry, guys. You got. There's 31 teams that don't have to show up this year. Just don't even go through your OTAs, go through your preseason, have fun, show off some new threads, if you got new uniforms. But besides that, you can just call it quits and just wait for the next draft because this season is over. Yeah. As long as he can stay healthy. You can't. You can't strike lightning twice. You can't get lucky and get a washed up quarterback that played for the Lions that took so many hits over all these years. Coming off the mv, coming off an MVP year. Yeah. And this guy's coming off the most amount of sacks ever. Wow. They. You're really. It's a selling point here. No, he is. How's he going to replicate. Where's the. Where's the 180? Where's the negative? The negative is, is. He's got too much Miles on his body. He's not going to be able to. His name is Miles. Well, I know. That's what I'm saying. He's got too much Miles on that body. So he's going to break down. So you're glad the Niners didn't make a move for Miles Garrett. It figured that Cam Sample is the guy. We have Bosa's coming back. We have Fred Warner. But you want to talk about Miles Bosa has had three ACL tears and we have the best left tackle of all time to. To guard Miles Garrett as well. So the best. The only guy, I believe that's older than Matt Stafford, still doing it at a high level. It. Well, did he win mvp? I don't his offensive lineman ever won mvp. I mean, if he was good enough, he would, he would. It would be a question, I mean, in all seriousness to the listeners. So. June 2nd. Yes. Today, actually, today, June 2nd. Yes. A Miles Garrett 2017 Prism Rookie PSA 10. They were all silvers back then. $540. Okay, so we've seen a little bit of a jump there with these, this news. Can we. Can do we see potential in this card growing beyond that. I mean, it's a defensive player. He is arguably in the conversation of top 10 of all time. Maybe top 20 of all time. You know, maybe top 30. Actually, I'll be more realistic. He's in the conversation of a top 30 defense of all time. Do we see some growth here? Top 30. Top 30 of all time. Top 30. Yeah. I mean, because there's like stubble field. There's There's Bryant Young. I mean, there's Isaac Zappa, Waga. I mean, Kevin Green as a Niner, not as a Ram. I mean, Gary Plummer. There's Ken Norton Jr. As a Niner, not as a Cowboy. There's a lot of guys in front of him, but he's in the conversation top 30. So do we see some, you know, a potential here that, that, that because he's in la, that his Browns rookie cards will ascend? Okay, how many preseason games do we have? Three. Then you have 17 regular season games. You have 20. I'm just trying to figure out how many games in a row they win because that is going to affect. Sean McVeigh doesn't win preseason games. He doesn't play anybody. The team is so, team is so good that like it. We're just, we're going to win from the sidelines to go out there and make plays. I mean, you got receivers that bite women now. So I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who you're going to throw to. This guy's not going to be out there because he's going to be in jail. So he's going to jail. I didn't say his name. I'm just saying there's a guy on your team that bites. When you go on Twitter and it's just like that trade just NFC west fans just went in an absolute spiral yesterday. They're like, I was seeing people who were like, truly posting, hoping for injuries. Like, the only move you got going into the season is not rooting for your team, but it's rooting for Rams players to get hurt. That's a sad existence. I know how it is. Same, same thing happens and then. But we actually do get injured. So, I mean, you know, people hope that we. Nobody. Nobody hopes, nobody hopes, nobody hopes Niner players get hurt. I mean, we have the most championship games appearances in the entire NFL. So I mean, and then we also have the second amount, most amount of Super Bowls that we have ever won. So there we have a lot of hatred. So I get it. I, I, I've been wrong. I've been in your seat many times, Silver many times before. Wrong. With bronze. What's after bronze? You have two Super Bowls, right? You have two. Two. Okay. It's cute. I mean, oh, man, I got the easiest, I got the easiest setup joke ever is the fact that the last Niner super bowl, you have to go get a VHS player because that's the only way you can see. It doesn't matter when you did it. It's. It doesn't matter how long it's been. It's been so long. It has been. But it's been so long. You guys haven't caught up in 35 years. 35 years. Honestly, like, maybe 35 years. We were talking about ebay. We were talking about, you know, ebay did not exist the last time the Niners won a Super Bowl. That's true. Yeah. Just wrap your head around that. But the soil that they built their building on was because the Niners were so successful, and people want to move out to the Bay Area. The Levi Stadium. No. Well, it was Candlestick back then, but I'm saying, like, the area that all these companies set up in was Hunter's Point. Well, Candlestick, I don't see a lot of. Yeah, but you. It's called the Bay Area, so, like, any, you know, anywhere that they. They could move. So you're saying because of the Niner success, Google, Apple, Silicon Valley, all the tech companies wanted to move here to be close to the Niners, to a winner. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Not the Raiders. No, no, no. I mean, well, they were, like, 79. Right. That was the last time they won, so, you know. Yeah. I mean, 82, I believe. When they went. They went to LA. I mean, when. When, you know, Woznia. Well, they were. They were born here, but, like, Wozniak and, you know, they're starting up Apple. They're like, why would we move anywhere else? This is the land of a winner. Right. We have the. We have the 49ers that just have a winning legacy here. Same thing with Google. They're like, why would we want to go anywhere else? I mean, North Carolina is kind of a hub. Right. But no, you want to go to the. You want to go to where the winning air is. Google formed. And the Niners hadn't. They hadn't won for, like, a decade. Yeah, but probably some of their founders were kids in the 80s, right. So they remember the success and the winning culture that Jerry Rice and Joe Montana. I think we're trying real hard to, like, create a narrative that just absolutely doesn't exist because. But that's fine. I mean, the Rams had to move a little bit closer to get the air. Right. To get the successful air that the Niners have created, they had to move close. They were like, St. Louis, not happening over here. They're not going to happen over here. The greatest show on turf is a long time ago. Believe the Rams were in California before the Niners. That's a good. That's a good trivia question. We were. The Rams at some point were in Chicago and some point they were in Cleveland, but they, they moved to LA. I would say sometime in the early 50s. I remember like it was yesterday. The Rams were in California first. Yeah, the Rams. The Rams relocated from Cleveland to Los Angeles in 1946. Yeah. Making them the first professional sports team on the West Coast. The San Francisco 49ers were established the same year in the AAFC. We don't even know what that is. But did not join the NFL till 1950. So, hey, it's pretty close. It's, you know. Yeah. So what were you saying now? That, well, we're in the Bay Area, so, you know. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, good luck. I mean, you guys, you guys got three. Three more to win. You guys got three more to win before we start having a conversation. So, you know, you get one to. You get one this year. You guys got. I mean we, we should have won this one. We should have wanted. At your, your place, Sam Donald. Fluke play. Two point conversion. Still, nobody can definitively say that that was an actual two point conversion. But what it is what it is. I think they talked about it in the meetings, didn't they? And they still didn't come to any conclusion on it. But yeah, it is what it is. I mean, we would have, we would have beat New England. I mean, I. You guys probably would have beat New England. Yeah, I think anybody would have beat New England. But back to this Miles Garrett card. Do you think there's any room for growth if somebody's thinking defensive players are tough and remember that you just started seeing Miles Garrett autographs and products because he didn't sign a rookie autograph deal. Yep. He was first overall pick. I think he probably wanted first overall quarterback money. And we all know that, like we heard defensive players like, don't sell very well. I mean, you look at like JJ Watt at one point sold really well. TJ Watt at one point sold really well. But can you name anybody else? I mean, actually Miles Garrett, like you said, 5:50 for a, for a PSA 10 is, is high. I think that's why I'm like, have we already peaked? Is the super bowl built in? Because this was a sale that happened today. So have we already. Have we already built in the, the super bowl with, you know, Lord help me here if that happens. But like, you know, at least it's not in Levi. It's going to Be over there. But Lord help me. Yeah. I mean, 2017. Now. Now that's what's crazy about this too is, you know, we're not gonna. Nobody's gonna rip 2017 product because it's Mahomes year. So you. You potentially have in 2017, if you know, fast forward 20, 30 years that you have the greatest defensive player of all time and possibly the greatest quarterback of all time. Him. Yeah. And you also that the year is pretty good because you also have Christian McAffrey. Yep. And you also have Cooper Cup. I feel like I'm forgetting. Is it. No, Baker. Baker was. You have Watson, 18. Watson. But yeah, but yeah. CMC and Cooper cup and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Good year. I. Would you. Would you put it. Would you say it's a better value or a better year for the hobby than 2020? I. As of today, yes. Because I don't think besides Jalen Hurts, who doesn't really sell for whatever reason, is the only guy that's a. I mean 2017 has accomplished so much more than 2020 has so far. But 2020, you have. You have Herbert and Burrow. Yep. Who are all pro caliber quarterback talents. Hertz and Tua. I think, I think they've kind of fallen off a little bit. Want to say they're. There's got to be other positions. There's got to be receiver and running back at a 20. Jefferson. I think Jefferson might be 2020 because 2021 would be. Or is it Jamar Chase? Jamar Chase, 21. Okay, so it's Jefferson 2020. Yeah. So I mean, you got that as well. That's a tough call. I mean it. 2020 is probably cheaper than 2017, so with a little bit more potential. But you got the three super bowl championships for, you know, Mahomes, you have the all time sack leader and Miles Garrett. Like legacy wise, Those are probably two guaranteed hall of Famers. Where 2020. I don't know if you can guarantee any of those guys being hall of Famers yet. I mean, you know, something to think about. Got a couple more things to talk about. Psa. As you know, if you're a local to the Mojo Break shop here in Santa Clara. And if you're ever in the area, stop by. We're open 11 to 7 every day. We've got 5,000 plus square feet of retail space. Goodness. With singles boxes, wax that you can rip, you can watch breaks. We have a lot going on, but we have PSA submission center in our store. And you know, we're obviously really Late to this news, but to talk about it because we film our podcast on Monday or Tuesday, late last week, all value tier submissions have been paused indefinitely with no expiration dates for PSA to catch up on the 10 million cards that they have backlogged, that they've done different techniques to try to stop. They've increased prices, they've delayed times on these tiers, and nothing seems to stop the flow of cards coming in. So they had to make the harsh decision to pause all these value tiers and value bulk and all these submission levels. And I think the cheapest level, $80. And what, what is that? What's that labeled as regular? Regular. Not too sure we're doing this on the fly, but I, I, I do believe it's like regular. Yeah. So, I mean, not going to kick a dead horse here that of, you know, the outrage of the people that, like, you know, you know, what we've heard is that, you know, six to eight months ago, they were grading 40 to 50,000. This is a number I'm just throwing out, but they're growing 40 to 50,000 cards a month or a day? I'm sorry, 40 to 50,000 cards a day. They've increased capacity to $125,000 a day, and they still cannot stop the backlog. So they had to make a harsh decision and, you know, pause, pause the services. Now, it's not great for everybody, including us. We're going to have less traffic coming in the store, but I think it's necessary to fulfill the customer demand and not push things out further and get caught up and, you know, do some R and D and get some more people on staff to really, you know, get this service back to where it needs to be. And it's an interesting scenario because you cannot predict, they can't predict how many cards are coming in. Right. So we want to give them flack for not being prepared. I think that's a fair assessment from the community. But people can send in. There's no like, like with us. We could do like, oh, we're doing 20 breaks today and that's it. Right. Well, they, they, they have people from around the country and around the world sending in cards to them. They don't, they can never prepare for the amount of cards that are coming in. And I think the emergence of TCG has really kind of pushed things over the edge with them. So what do you, what is your opinion on it, Dan? Their product is such in demand that they could essentially ask for a price of whatever amount of money and people will still do it. I think what this will obviously eliminate is going to be the cards that are going to be. That potentially could have a market value of like 50 to 150 to $200 cards. Because you're not going to spend $80 to grade A card that's potentially going to sell for $120. Yep. So the, the, the base rookies, the, the mass grading, like sending in 10 or 20 Jackson Dart Chrome base cards to see if you can get tens is probably going to get eliminated right now at that. Yeah. Anything under 500. Right. So now we got to see what kind of liquidity goes into the marketplace faster. Right. Because now it's like this. I mean, the interesting play is going to see what the, what the comps do because, you know, you pull the 500 card out of Topps Chrome Basketball, you're probably going to send it for grading or some people are. So it's going to be less sales, less comps for a while until you get it back. Now it's PSA 10. It's a different comp level. So now we're going to see what really happens with raw cards being sold now potentially like that level. Like what if they. Hypothetically, this is all hypothetically, like hypothetical. Like what if PSA in three months, they reassess their financials and they're like, well, we did grade less cards, but our revenue was about the same amount of money. So we basically made the same amount of money and basically provided less services and graded less cards. Right. So we're more efficient now. Is there a world where that value tier never returns? If they are like, we're not seeing a decrease in revenue at an $80 minimum, why would you go back and ever offer a cheaper tier? Right. Well, they kind of have it all wrapped up with BGs, them owning BGs and SGC as well. Right. So. Well, can't you use, can't you potentially market and use those companies as your value grading companies? Beckett and cgc and then you have like PSA is like the premium brand for grading. Yeah. You could. Let me ask you this too. Junk wax era. Are we in the junk slab era? Are we gonna look back 30 years from now? We're gonna see a card that has a. Especially on the Pokemon side, we're gonna see like some sir that it's. I mean, we already see it. You're gonna see a pot. You see a population 50, 000 on PSA 10s that is now officially like. That's why I'm saying like junk slab era because. Oh, yeah, like, why? This is a. Like somebody, you know, 2002, 20, 65, 30. 30 years from now. Close to 30 years from now. I think we already saw the junk slab era. Well, that was when there was a bunch of different. Because remember, there was like, there was 40,000 different grading companies. Like, everybody, like, I mean, and we've all seen them because right now it's fluid. And you can sell a card that has a 50,000 pop and it still goes for somewhat of a premium in a PSA 10. But let's say 30 years from now and we're back in a lull, or even 15 years from now we're in a lull, people are going to be like, well, I don't need to buy that card because there's 50,000 of them in a PSA 10 now. Right. So that's something to consider that. That could be like. Like people are looking back. Remember when PSA shut down value tiers? That's why we have the junk slab era. I get it. You know, sports cards are numbered, so there's a little bit less. I mean, there's obviously base cards and base refractors and things like that that have high pop counts. But the TCG generation is grading these sirs. And there's unlimited amounts of pop counts on these. Yeah, I mean, I think we, as a hobby, we did get kind of crazy with the grading aspect, where you're just like, I get a base card, I get it graded. It's a 10. It goes from being a $5 card raw to a $90 card in a 10. Like, there was a lot of dealers where that was like their cheat code was basically like, grade out. Grade out of everything. Yep. Like, you can grade out of stuff and you could basically increase 5, 6, 10 times. Yep. On these base cards. So I think right now you're going to see that completely end. But to your point, like, what do these raw base rookies go for now when you don't have the. The prospect of being able to submit it and get it graded and being worth 6x? Like, are these base rookies now just going to kind of bottom out at like 2 to $3 like they were 10 years ago? Well, yeah, and that's what I'm concerned with is that they're, you know, they're, you know, there's maybe 20 of them that hit the market. There's 30 of them and I'm using like, maybe like a number to 99 card that, you know, like a maybe not necessarily Cooper flag, but like a guy that's in that 500 range where it's like you would see like 10 to 20 of them on the market and that helps the comp. And then the other ones are waiting to get graded. So there's not as much competition at the same time. Now all that competition is going to be in the marketplace at the same time because they're not going to be some for grading, which is going to pause the computer. Like the grading kind of helps pause the comp in a sense. Unless it's like a high end card, it gets overnighted and it gets turned, you know, next day. But those zero to $500 cards that normally would grade for $24, granted, they did take a long time, but they kind of helped the raw cards. Less raw cards in the market. There's going to be more competition. We'll see what that, what that does. Lastly, before we move on, I know, you know, and Cody's not on this podcast today. He's probably really going to love to talk about this, but I wanted to look over the checklist of Disney Chrome and I, you know, we're going to be breaking. That comes out mid June. I think June 17th is the date. So as we sit here, so it's two weeks from today. They, they brought in some Disney Channel autographs. So they brought in. We have Demi Lovato signing. Cool. We have Miley Cyrus as Hannah Montana. We have Raven Simone from that's so Raven. Vanessa Hutchinson from High School Musical. They even have Johnny Depp signing as Captain Jack Sparrow. So I like what they're doing with this set. Owen Wilson's also Lightning McQueen, which I think is, is, is fantastic. Any, any celebrity. Wilson, the. He, he is the, he's the voice of Lightning McQueen. He is. I did not know that means the voice of Lightning McQueen. I mean, you can go down the list. You got Billy Crystal. Mike was out coach. I think he signed before already. But. And it's really the who's who of anybody that's done any Disney voice that's a, you know, popular celebrity. So we always talk about, like, how can they outdo themselves with Mickey and Minnie every single year. And I, I feel like this is an avenue that this, this, this set's gonna be pretty cool. I mean, I, my daughters watch a lot of Demi Lovato. You know, my wife listens to some of her songs. I'd like a Demi Lovato auto. That'd be cool. You know, so I, you know, Disney Channel autographs. I Just want to get the listeners opinions because traditional Disney, Mickey, Minnie, the movies and Disney Channel, it's kind of two different things, right? It's kind of. I don't know. It's, it's, it's under the Disney umbrella, but it's not like the same thing. Couldn't they get like all the, all the, like Britney Spears and who else you could do Mickey Mouse Club then? Justin Timberlake. Justin Timberlake, Ryan Gosling, Christine Aguilera. Yep. You can go a lot of different ways. Some other people who are in. In Sync or Backstreet Boys that were in there. I mean, you do have some, some stuff that's already happened that they're making again, you have a Tom Hanks, Tim Allen in here. So people that have gotten their autos from Pixar and some of the other sets are probably like, well, what, you know, or Disneyland 75th. They're like, wait a second. Well, you got more of the same. So you have that. It's like, it's like the Otani. You're not going to make a baseball product and not put Otani in it. True, true, true. Triple auto of Johnny Depp, Kira Knightley and Orlando Bloom. That should be pretty big because we've only seen stuff like that on Leaf Pop Century, which doesn't tend. I mean, it tends to sell decently, but not as much as you're going to get with the full Pirates of the Caribbean license here. Matthew Broderick, Nathan Lane, Ernie Sabella, Lion King, Simba, Simba, Timon and Pumbaa. Matthew Broderick. Cause I remember him signing too much, so. I mean, they've got quad autographs of. I'm assuming autographs are going to be tough to pull, though. It's a pretty big list. But yes, I mean, you would have Aden. I mean, I don't think we're looking at one autograph a box. It's probably gonna be. Probably gonna be one autograph every maybe two autographs a case. Probably, Probably. I mean, it's a pretty crazy list. The Reflections look amazing. They got the sketch cards in there again. I know, I know. Our friends Emma and Cody are really like, they can't wait for this set because I think they've. They've really outdone themselves on this. So we'll be, you know, hopefully breaking some of that with them soon. You even got the facsimile autographs of Mickey, Minnie, Goofy, Pluto, Woody, Sully, Mr. Incredible. So for you entertainment fans, look for breaks on that coming up. And they have the one on One Walt. They do every year. The One and only Waltz. They. Yeah, it looks like it's gonna be a pretty big set. So I'm pretty excited to. To see some Disney Chrome as a big Disney fan. So I'm kind of Disney'd out. You just got back, so I, I got. I have a Disney. I think I have Disney fatigue. Yeah. What a spot, man. What a place. What's your favorite thing about this Disney trip actually going to. Because last time we went, we just went to Disneyland for two days. We didn't do the park Hopper. So going to California Adventure. I hadn't been there for almost 20 years. That, that was fun. The Cars Land, very cool. The Marvel area, very cool. The fact that you can get an adult beverage. They're very cool. Very cool. Oh, this is interesting. I'm sorry to keep switching subjects, but I had the checklist in front of me here. So they have the Disney Channel cards. There won't be autos here, but they have Maya Hart from Girl Meets World, who is Sabrina Carpenter. So probably Sabrina Carpenter's rookie card, right? I would think. I didn't. She's really popular. No, I, Yeah, I, I think I know who it is. I didn't know she was on Disney Channel, so. Yeah, she started with. So the reboot of Boy Meets World was Girl Meets World. Yes. So it had all this, you know, Topanga was in there, all these, you know, as parents. I remember, I remember the reboot. I didn't know she was. Is that where she came from? Yep. But she's like a, she's a music now, right? Yes, that's. That's her main. Yeah. Huge Coachella. Yeah. Late night shows. Yeah, she's. She is probably the Britney Spears of this generation, I would say. And I don't even think there's anybody that's second right now. Like, there's not like a Christina Aguilera. There's a few fringe ones. I mean, I mean, country music's really popular and the, the, the. I can't think of her name. The girl that thinks the Texas song is really popular right now too. So. Yeah, I mean, there's also Hannah Montana or I mentioned on my Lizzie McGuire. So Hillary didn't sign, but has a card that I could see. And I think they have a High School Musical set, Zac Efron. So I'm. I don't know the name of his character, but I'm assuming that he's on this checklist for High School Musical. So I think what's cool about this too is that. So there's yes, it's High School Musical, Troy Bolton, Gabriel Montes, Sharpe Evans, Ryan Evans, Chad. I think these are character names. Right? So what is Zac Efron's, let's see, Zach Efron, High School Musical, Troy Bolton. Yes. So he's on there. So that's Troy Bolton. So yeah. So I think you're gonna get your, your 20 sums like your bubbas that maybe grew up on some of this stuff. They're gonna be interested in that. So it should be a huge set. Well, and we'll leave you guys at that. But catch us on ebay live. We're doing some podcasts with with the sports card nonsense guys soon about our ebay live debut. So look for that podcast and we'll see you guys in the feeds. And check out check us out next week on the Hype.