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Michael Jordan Sports Cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now Jeremy Lee in the building and everybody every guess that you ever needed Sports cards after hours. Keep the hobby heated Updates Hobby talk like you never seen it Sports Cards Live and I could ever beat it Sports Cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now. Welcome to another episode of Sports Cards Live with your host, Jeremy Lee. Let's bring Joshua Adams on the screen with us. Josh, here you come. Give me a thumbs up buddy. He's good. Please welcome Josh. Hey, look at the look at the discreet background. Josh, what's happening? I'm in an undisclosed location, so just you Know, I'm pounding coffee showing my commitment to the show. How are you? How are you guys doing? We're good, man. We're doing good. Well, we're doing. Hopefully my Internet stays on now, but we're good, buddy. Thank you for joining us. Thanks for staying up on this late and late show. Later, late episode of Sports Cards Live. Couple, couple. Oh, will deal. Holyfield made a comment here about Jason not winning the Celebrini. He says the greatest thing that ever happened to this guy in investing was not winning that card. You know, the time will tell. Time will tell, but I have to think that that card sold for the most it ever will, at least for the next couple of decades, maybe. So. Yu-Gi-Oh appreciate that. That comment right there. Greg at Midlife made a comment. This had me howling. Says so much man candy on the screen right now. That was. That was great, Greg. And Flint Hall. Flint hall, with a little. A good poke in himself, says, tight crusher, makes me look good. That was great, Flintal. You got me laughing. We got me laughing with that one. Yankees fan said Jay Lee built a platform, so we can see there are many variables. And collector Topps yes. The hobby spectrum. Absolutely. And Flint hall also calls up my hockey team saying that the Calgary Flames will probably never one-of-one a cup. Bad ownership, guys. He's not wrong, not wrong about that. And then he says, though, that the Flames trading their best player ever, Jerome Iginla, was not good. Except the problem was they traded him a year too late. So they should have traded him earlier. The trade was. Was not very good at all. And then Jake here says, I had every Barry Sanders card in the 90s as it was happening. Get out of here, poser. This is my studio, Jake. So I'm not getting out of here, buddy. You're. You're free to leave any time you want. But we're gonna stick around. We're gonna stick around here for the duration of the show and every Saturday night when we can make it happen. So go ahead, Joe. No, I mean that I. Notwithstanding the fact that that's kind of a rude comment, I. I think it is picking up on something that emerged in the. In the Koontz interview, the brief Koontz interview, which is like, do you need to be a fan of a player to invest in a player or collect a player? Like, can you suddenly decide, you know, if David suddenly decided. Actually, I live in la. Shohei continues to amaze me and blow up. Maybe I'll become a Shohei collector. I don't think that's gonna Happen. You know, most of us sort of feel like once we miss the boat, it's too late. But it's an interesting question. Like, you know, I have a feeling I know what Josh Adams might say, but maybe I don't. What do you gu. Do you need to actually, like, have a connection and a rooting interest or, you know, find a player compelling deeply to feel like, hey, that's a card I might want to own. Josh, you want to take that? Yu-Gi-Oh of course. If you don't like the player, why buy the card? Like, that's. I mean, I don't collect players I don't like, so. But. But can you. You don't collect players you don't like, but. Right, but are you saying, like, do you only collect players you do like? Yu-Gi-Oh because, absolutely. See, I don't like. I collect players that I. I just. I'm neutral on, you know, where, like. Well, I shouldn't necessarily. No, no, that's not so true. Actually. I don't think I collect. I think I only when, like, I've got probably 30 players that I would say I collect. Some of them I have a hundred cards up, some of them I have three cards up. But I still consider that to be, like, I want those three cards, that player. So. But I'm not. I'm never, like, PCing a player I don't like, so I'm with you on that, Josh. But I do have cards of players that I. That I don't love or that I. That I. I'm just indifferent towards. And because I do have. There's a few lanes I'm in where I just. Their cards fit, and it's usually set. The. I'm not a set collector. I do have a couple sets that I've. I still own and collect and are trying to finish. The last card I need is a guy named Jonas Hiller. He was a goalie for the Anaheim Ducks. I'm sure no one's even heard of this guy. And it's. It's a card I need because it's the last one for a set. I'm gonna buy that card when I. When I can get it. But he's not a player that I particularly care about or was a fan of. So there are exceptions to that. Like, Josh, if you're putting together the. The 1935 chickle set, do you love every player or, like, every player in that set or some of them, you just like the cards more than the players? More than the players, I'd say. Right. For set collecting, it's different, right? But Yu-Gi-Oh for a set. I like every card in the set because I like the set. Like I love the Nick Nikolai card because it's a cool looking short print. You know, I like the Newt Rocky card because it's, you know, it's part of this, it's part of football history. So Yu-Gi-Oh I like every card. Yu-Gi-Oh I like. One sec. I like to. Lindsey comes comment here says you're not the number one fan of a player just because you buy his best card, which I think is really true. You're not you. Just because, you know. Just because someone goes out and buys all the best cards does not make them an expert in sports cards. Does not. If someone buys all the best celebrity cards and I don't know if the guy who has these is or isn't. So maybe that's not. I'm not. This isn't about him. But just because you buy the best cards of any player does not make you an expert in that player. However, you might well be an expert in that player as well. David, what were you going to jump in with? Just to kind of give the other side of this argument. I almost always have passion towards the player or the card, but I have bought a card that I had zero attachment to, which were these Messi rookies that I bought about a year ago. A year and a half ago. I've never even watched Messi play. I, I felt like a poser, okay, trying to buy those cards. But I just, by knowing the hobby and being in depth with it, I just thought that those cards went down in value so much. I guess kind of like the gentleman that was just on the show because I just really believed that the value of those cards were undervalued. So I did buy three or four cards that I thought I was just going to hold onto for 10 years and I really had zero emotional attachment to it. So I haven't done that very often. But I did do that in that situation. I now own none of them because I ended up selling them all at the national. But so I guess I. There is a place to do that. It's just 99.9 of my 9% of my collection. I don't. But there's exceptions to every rule, including when I did it for that. Anyone else have a thought? Joe, Just real quick. I mean, like, so I'm a sports fan and like I can get excited about almost any player if they. They've done something like for instance, Josh. Not a White Sox fan. I'm not a Frank Thomas fan, necessarily. But if I saw like a, you know, star rubies extreme of Frank Thomas in a kind of like, whatever, 2000 version, I appreciate what Frank Thomas was to the 1990s baseball and sports card collecting. And I, I could get excited. I could find myself excited about a player that I don't, I hadn't thought of, like, I'm going to go out and collect Frank Thomas. But if an opportunity were arise or a card were to appear, and I know enough about the sport and the history of collecting to kind of think, Yu-Gi-Oh there's some relevance here. That's the. And, and, and it's not just like, because I think the card's going to go up. It's because I think it could be a really cool piece in just the general sports card world. So I don't need to actually love or have Zebra duper passion about a player to feel like I could find a card that would be really interesting to own. Yu-Gi-Oh like, listen, I've never, I, I don't have any attachment to Ty Cobb or Lou Gehrig or Honus Wagner or Hank Aaron or Willie Mays or Mickey Mantle, any of these guys. I got cards of. I think everyone I just mentioned, it's about, I'm all, I'm also like, like you guys, I'm a card collector. You know, I, I collect. And like Josh said earlier, you know, when you're a set collector, it's a different thing. Sometimes when you're just a card collector, it can be a different thing as well, because certain cards, although you're not building as like a predefined checklist set, you're, you've created your own, whether it's hall of Famers or whatever it might be, whatever reason you've built a list of cards that you want to own. That's, that's the, those are the cards you want to. Because you want to own those cars. And sometimes I think we feel like we got to explain and justify why we collect certain things, but at the end of the day, we don't. As long as you're, as long as you're happy collecting what you collect yourself, you don't know an explanation to anybody, anybody out there, none of us on the screen, no one in the chat, no one who's in other chats talking about anything. You don't one-of-one anybody any apology for what or how you collect or what or how you like. I mean, but oftentimes we feel like we do one-of-one apologies, and that's probably our own insecurities and our own issues that we, that we carry on around ourselves because we somewhat do care what people think of us in many ways. And, and that's just the way life is. That's part of being human. So. But hopefully you don't care and you can just go to bed at night and feel good about what you're doing. There was a question someone did ask. What Jonas Hiller card do I need? Asks more hockey cards, please. So I'll share it with you. It's from this set right here that I've been building for over 10 years, the 201314 National Treasures number patch set. The one and only year that Panini made National Treasures hockey cards. And it's a 97 card set and I'm down to needing one. Each card is numbered to the player's jersey number. And I'm. I have every card in the set except for one of the. There's three one of ones. I've got the Roberto Luongo here, the Sergey Barlamov here. I'm missing the Jonas Hiller. That's the only one I need. So if anyone knows where it is, has it can help me find it? Please do. I would love to put this set to bed after what has now been. Like I said, I've been doing this set since 2014. So we're, we're six. We're 12 years in. 12 years in on that set, fellas. But in a way, I hope I never find it because it kind of keeps the, the, the, the, the candle sparked, you know, kind of keeps the candle lit. So. All right, everybody, a couple more comments or one more comment here. The real Mike Petty, Michael Pedalicious, says, I've watched Melamine Jamal play and I don't care to buy one card of him. And Yu-Gi-Oh and that's a beauty thing, right? You don't, you don't have to. Even if you love a player, you don't have to. You don't have to want to buy their cards. Josh Adams. Who is he talking about? He's talking about. Oh, you haven't heard of Melamine Jamal. It's his funny play on words for Lamine Yamal. Oh, okay. But also with Petty, his, his biggest asset of cards, of his burrito or Hotus Wagner, which he also hasn't ever seen play. Play. Right, right. You don't. That's just it. Petty is entitled to collect whoever he wants for whatever reason. He. I almost like sick of this line of discussion where it's like, Yu-Gi-Oh you, you all should know you don't have to defend who or why you collect, you know. Oh, because that guy, I think he was calling me a poser because I own a Barry Sanders card. I mean, I watched Barry Sanders play like that. You can call me a poser all you want, but you, again, you don't, you don't know me. You only think you do. You know, like in the words of the late, great Chili Palmer, you like that, David? Huh? You know the movie you guys, you guys saw Get Shorty, right? Everyone saw Get Shorty. Great movie, right? Movie. Great movie. Great movie. That's, Yu-Gi-Oh that was, that's one of my favorite scenes as well. So here's another sort of topic that I had, guys, which is interesting. It's not the same topic, but I could see some parallels being drawn basically. Do you ever buy a card without knowing anything about it? Like nothing. And the reason I'm. This came up for me. I was going through, preparing for my, My Fanatics live exclusive show the Hunt on, which was on Thursday. I was going through the weekly auction and I came across a card I'd never seen before. Never even seen a card from this set before. It was, it happened to be. I saw some mentions of Isaiah Thomas in the chat here a few minutes ago. It was an Isaiah Thomas card, some tops, Superfractor with a big patch of a letter from his name on it, an autograph. It was a sticker, so I didn't end up buying it. A sticker auto and a picture of him on the bottom right corner. And I'm like, I've never seen this thing before. I don't know how many other players are on the checklist. I, I, I've seen Zebra fractures before, but I never saw a retired basketball player Superfractor with a huge patch of sticker auto and a picture of him. And I was like, I think I want to buy this card now. I didn't. And then I realized it was a sticker auto, which, I have a no sticker auto rule. So I didn't buy it. But it led me to think like I was, I was, you know, relatively close to throwing a bid at this card, knowing nothing, not knowing if the price was reasonable, not knowing if, if there's five Isaiah Thomases in the set, not knowing if there's one or, or 10 of them. I knew nothing about it. So it doesn't matter what that card was anymore. The question I'm really asking is have you ever done that, either bought or tried to buy a card just because you thought it was awesome and you knew Nothing else about it. And so I'll kind of go around the. Joe, I see you nodding a little bit. Do you want to start this one off? Well, you know, I'm, I'm frequently going into a card and then figuring out what, what I just purchased after the fact. So, yes, the answer is an unqualified. Absolutely. I, I see a card. Of course, I try to do the research in the limited time I might have for an auction closing, but I don't always have that much time and, and oftentimes I'm also looking at other cards at the same time. So I, I will try to take a peek at ebay. I'll try to take a Beckett, you know, card ladder, shout out car ladder to see what I can make of, of sort of the history of the card, how often it sells, maybe look at the pop report. But more often than not, if I, if I see it and I like it and I have a general sense of where it fits in, in the larger picture in terms of like brand pedigree, etcetera, I don't look back. I think about it after I put my bid in and, you know, let the chips fall as they may. You think about it after you put your bid in and then you one-of-one the card and then you, and then you call me or we got on the phone and you're like, jaylee, what did I just do? Oh, I don't know if I. And you do sort of second guess yourself at times on cards after you buy them. The funny thing though, Joe, is that as soon as I, like, nine times out of ten, I'm like, dude, I love this card. Like, I love the card you bought. I think you think you bought a sweet card. But, but. So that's it. Listen, you do that. I'm sure other people do. You buy a card that you maybe didn't do enough research into to get totally comfortable and then you can second guess yourself. And that's gonna. So let's add that for, let's go to you, David. Like, do you ever just do that? Buy a card that you don't know anything about? And if you do, do you ever. Do you second guess yourself after or do you just move on? I don't second guess myself after. It's been happening a lot more lately now that I'm. Because I felt like I, the sports cards I was going after for so long were just cards that I kind of, I've just, I've seen them so much and I know them and I've researched them. But now that I'm going down this new lane of non sports and for me to see Beatles cards and Elvis cards and Rolling Stone cards for like less than $100. And I look them up and the pop is like 47 and it's like a $50 card. I'm like, I don't care. I just like the photo, I like the card, I want it. I, I do a quick lookup and I look it up. This also happened to me. I was at front row card show in LA the last time they were here and there was like a Muhammad Ali card that I've never seen before. It was like a very cool looking card. It was messed up. It was in an SGC1. I looked up the card, it didn't sell since 2022. There was like 13 of them in the pop and it was like 150 bucks. I have no idea how much that card is worth, but for $150 I'll buy something like that because it's cool and it's Muhammad Ali. And the last one at the national. Never seen this card before. But there was that Marilyn Monroe card that was in the case. I saw the person who was there who I loved, the dealer Mark. I ended up asking him like, what, what is this card? He's like, oh, that's like Marilyn Monroe's considered her first card. I don't know if there's one before that, but most people consider this her first card. It was like $350. That's a lot of money. But at the same time for me thinking that's a lot of money for a Maryland Monroe first car. I look at the pop, there's like 27. I'm like, I don't care. It hasn't sold for years. And it's just, it's one of those cards that, that price seems reasonable for what that is. So comps don't really matter in certain circumstances. Like those. Josh, what are your thoughts on the topic? Yu-Gi-Oh I probably have. And if I can't pinpoint one card specifically, but I'm sure I've bought stuff that look cool and like, Yu-Gi-Oh I'll buy this. That's neat. So good. Yu-Gi-Oh I, I hear it. Appreciate you guys coming in. Another, another topic. And even in our titles, the one million dollar card Explosion, Adam Gray, great friend of the channel, great friend of mine, has the real 27 guy, has been tracking the, the million dollar sales this year and updating a graphic that he'll post up on Twitter or Instagram with a picture of all the million dollar cards we're, I think we had, we had one or two last night. No, we had, we actually had four last night. So I'm gonna just, I'm gonna, I'm gonna share this and just, just because this is interesting stuff and it's, I know it's, it's market talk, it's value talk, but it's, there's just so much of this right now. So let me just hide that there and go. Okay, so here's card ladder. What I've done is I've actually gone into the, the setting or the, the filters and I, I changed, I, I changed this, this filter to minimum price of basically a million dollars and. Oh, I better just go here and then I sorted it to date. Sold. So you can see August 21, four million dollar sales of cards. A Michael Jordan buyback autoed rookie Card sells for $1.2 million on all on Heritage. On Heritage last night the, the PSA 8 mantle that Jason Koontz that he was the under bidder on sold for 3.7 million last night. Hannes Wagner SGC authentic kills it at $5.8 million last night. Joshua. I think that's mostly due to the back. You know, Piedmont I think hasn't sold in a long time. The last I think five that sold were sweet caps but that's a Piedmont and I. And there are less Piedmont Wagners than any other back. It's really just Piedmont and sweet capital, but there are less Piedmont Wagners. Thank you for the insight, Josh. Really interesting stuff right there. And finally 33 Gowdy Babe Ruth number 181 which none other than our good friend Joe Perot just added to his collection at the national. But this PSA9 sells for $1,525,000. And if we just go back five days ago we had the packs selling on rea. The brick of eight 1952 unopened pack sell for $1.1 million. And then the day before that we're talking a week ago today was the Celebrini $1.281 million. And then it's some of these Beckett monsters here and we're still in. So in August alone, in August alone in sports cards we'll ignore the, the TCG for now because I don't care about TCG. We have 1, 2, 3. I don't know, we one-of-one count that. The box that Jordan signed one. So we have actual cards. Yu-Gi-Oh Just in August. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Eight million dollar sales. I mean that's, that's a lot. That's a, that's a big number. Josh, did you have your hand up again there? I'm sorry, I did. I think the biggest story is the. Is a red PMG Jordan going for over a million bucks. It's like the first time. Also. Hi to Dan's vintage in the room. Hello. And Chad. But Yu-Gi-Oh and I think a week ago that red PMG and an 8 went for over a million bucks. Which is. I think it's crazy. I haven't. Hold on where I. You said. Oh, there Dan. Josh is right. There are only three Piedmonts. And not only is. Are. Is Josh. Right. But the title Heritage even put it in their title. What. Which is right here. 1 of 3 Piedmont known. So that's an incredible call out there. Josh. I wasn't aware of that. That it's one of only three. Obviously Dan knew. Knew of that as well. So. Yu-Gi-Oh really, really inter. I don't know if it. How interesting it is, but it's a sign of the market. Joe August isn't even over yet. I mean how many more big closes do we have? It's, it's, it's wild. I mean, I think all of us are just sort of sitting here in. I mean if someone's out there that's not kind of stunned and amazed by what's happened in the last year or six months, even three months, let me know because I, I've been collecting for a long, long time and I know we did the bubble thing. I know Covid, but everything was different then. This feels, just feels kind of amazing. It does. It, it is. It is kind of amazing. This whole hobby we're in. Brad's Vintage said anyone who is excited about any card they have for any reason, I enjoy hearing about it. But Brad's one of the nicest guys in the hobby. So I mean you're kind of like that doesn't surprise me. Will deal. Holyfield says it's just mind blowing to me how much money is being spent on some of this stuff. Josh Allen had a sale north of a million. Is he better than Jim Kelly? Kelly never one-of-one a Zebra bowl, but he one-of-one to four. He went to four of them. I mean, will deal. Holyfield. I share your sentiment. Like it is mind blowing. Like when we go back to this page here and we are looking at the million dollar sales that have happened, I mean just in the last couple of months, I mean, I'm blown away that a Macklin Celebrini sells for this much. But the guy who bought it has come out and said that he has the best celebrity collection in the world. If he doesn't have this, this is the cornerstone. He needs the best card if he's gonna have the best collection. So he paid more than he wanted to, but the guy didn't care. The money means he's got all the money he needs. So. But what surprise the Jordan here doesn't surprise me. The Franken Wagner. Wagner does not surprise me. The Josh Allen, that's surprising. $1.7 million. What about a sho. Hey, dual logo man for $11 million. Private sale. $11 million, is that surprising? I don't know. How about the pele Alifa Bolajer PSA 9 for 1.17 million or the Jackie PSA 8? Well, that's the autograph one for 1.86 million million dollars. That doesn't shock me. The Pele only shocks me because you're getting such a small thumbnail sized card. But you know, that's just me being silly. So. I don't know. David, do any of these surprise you? Does the Josh Allen surprise you? I mean, much? You're not a modern guy. Yu-Gi-Oh The Josh Allen and the celebrity, those are the two that surprised me because they're active players. And I just think that. I think that's a lot of money to invest in an active player. But to each is their own if they want to, you know, does. It's not. I'm not saying that it's like it's not something that I would. If I had all the money in the world, I wouldn't be buying those cards. But that doesn't mean that. That's right. It's just not for me. Yu-Gi-Oh fair. And then Mid Atlantic here says I love finding cards I know nothing about. Needle in a haystack. Give me an anti commodity card any day of the week. My favorite national pickups were Converse basketball cards from the 1980s. Yu-Gi-Oh it's. That's. It's fun. It's like. It's fun discovering something new. I only discovered the 1935 Gum Inc. Mickey Mouse set when I was. What was I looking, David? Do you remember what was I looking? Was I looking? Did it have to do with the Wills? Mickey Mouse. I forgot. We were just looking at Mickey Mouse cards and you were trying to figure out the one that you wanted the most. Right. I think that it was just like diving in deep in Mickey Mouse and that was the one that resonated with you and. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean I knew Nothing about it. I probably walked by hundreds of them. I've been to like 18 nationals. I probably walked by hundreds of them, never even stopping. Never even, like, you know, looking. No rubbernecking at all on those cards. Just dust, no interest, dust I don't care about. And. And then all of a sudden, for whatever reason, I was receptive to them and they came across my field of vision at the right time. And now I'm sort of obsessed. Like, it's just like, it's fun discovering something new. Even at the west coast card show, when I started getting into the memorabilia cards. Oh, I. I love the lane. I love the lane. And then there's another lane, the lane I got into just about a year ago this month, where the Upper Deck, not upper day. The Pacific hockey patch cards from the early 2000s where I remember when they came out, but I didn't care about them then. Now I do care about them and I enjoy them and I knew nothing about them. And as I'm buying them even now, I'm. I'm still learning more. I'm a year in, and I just went and got the checklist of them all recently so I could create my custom checklist. Point is, is that stumbling into something that you never were interested in before, never saw before, is so much fun. And this hobby continues to deliver more things that you can get into. Joe, were you going to jump in? No, I just. I was going to ask you a question about the Mickey Mouse. I mean, would you consider yourself like a Mouseketeer? Sorry, do you. Would you consider yourself a Mickey Mouse fan? Like, of. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, I grew up on Mickey Mouse as much as I grew up watching baseball and hockey. You know, like, but what kid is. But I all like, am I, Am I a Sesame street fan? Not really. I think. I think, like, like, but I would own. I would own Sesame street cards if there were awesome cards out there. Maybe there are. Maybe I gotta start looking at Sesame street cards. Oscar the Grouch rookie card. One second, let me. Yu-Gi-Oh let's find. Here's a. We're gonna go on that deep dive, Big Bird. No, I mean, my point though, Jay Lee, is like, I obviously, you know, Disney and Mickey Mouse are like, there's. There's levels to this, right? And so in the land of make believe cartoon characters, there's an argument that those two names are like the origin of everything. That said, like, I didn't like, I like Bugs Bunny because I saw more Bugs Bunny cartoons. They weren't really playing Mickey Mouse. Cartoons when I was a kid. So I'd see him, you know, from time to time, just, you know, and, you know, I made a trip to Disneyland when I was a child. And so, like, that impressed me. But it wasn't as if I was like, passionate about Mickey Mouse. I know some people that are, to this day, they're not even card collectors, but they're passionate about, you know, they have like, Lululemon bags with Mickey Mouse on them. But I, I guess my point, you know, I'm getting back to that same question is like, what level of direct connection or passion do you need to have or do you need to have any to collect something and feel like you're, you know, a, a collector and, or allowed to enjoy bringing in a card into your collection that's maybe something that you're not a poser in relation to. Yu-Gi-Oh that's a great question. I don't know that I know the answer to that. Like, because. What's a good example? Like, I don't know. I loved watching Shaq play. I collect Shaq cards. I loved watching Griffey play. I collect Griffey cards. I also loved watching Joe Carter and Roberto alomar and Fred McG Griff and, you know, John Oud, Fred McGiff. I meant Devon White. I loved what Pat Borders. You know, I loved watch Kelly Gruber. I loved watching these guys play. I don't collect their cards, you know, so it, it, it's interesting. I'm not exactly sure how to answer that, but I do know that, like, and like, I think we've all said. I know David and Josh Sterling said maybe before you at some point. one-of-one like, I, we love. I love cards, you know, and, and so loving cards to me almost supersedes in many cases. Like that to me is the reason in a lot, in a lot of cases now, I don't collect cheap chicaboo or Picazard because I never grew up on these guys. I have no idea what they do, who they are. I, you know, I just, I don't collect these guys. I know Mickey Mouse. If I grew up on it and I have nostalgia for it, I'm willing to in many cases own, buy a cart to represent that era. Yu-Gi-Oh I have no idea who Horace the horse is. Like, I keep seeing, like, I've been looking at the 35s quite a bit. And, and like that, that image of Horus the horse, I, I never saw that growing up. That said, I can be intellectual about it and recognize that, you know, the, the brand of Disney and Mickey Mouse being the preeminent character in the Disney, you know, portfolio or. Or suite is massively significant. And that can attract me. Right. Not like Mickey Mouse intrinsically, but like the magnitude of impact on culture. Yu-Gi-Oh Histor. I love collect like historical figures. As an example and as we're talking. Joe, I'm actually. So I was looking at this card here. I own this card here. This, this is the 36 Mitchell and son Walt Disney. And then I went, I said, well when did I buy this card? And I went and I just searched my old email receipts. I was invoiced for this on March 5, 2021. So I bought this card over. Over. What's that? Five, five and a half years ago basically. By the way, I paid 203.50 for that card, which I think now is good. It's a, it's a PSA 7.5. I think that's probably a pretty good. David, you know better than me. I haven't kept up with the values of this card. I think a 7.5 is a. Does that. Would that be high grade, mid grade for that? That's a high grade. That's high grade. Bought it for 203 bucks. I'm guessing this is worth more than. I don't even know. I could go check comps. My point is that like I was looking Joe, at my. I have a full. I have a P. A Lane, I call it. I have a folder in my. So the top fold, it's called Ms. Miscellaneous and non for non sport. There's four subfolders in there and I'll read them to you. One is card art, basically like custom cards that I bought or people have gifted me along the way. The second one is custom cards. Me and my family, I've got custom cars. I've had like, you know, where I've made them of myself or got them made at the Upper Deck booth at the national, that kind of thing. The third one is called Miscellaneous Sports and that's got boxing, wrestling, golf and billiards because that's. I only have six cards there. But the fourth one is called Historic. It's called historical meaning historical figures, Hollywood music, miscellaneous. And I even have TCG there even though I don't own a single TCG card. But like Charlie. I have a Charlie Chaplin card in here. I never once saw him live. I don't have any nostalgic connection to him other than growing up knowing about Charlie Chaplin. And I love owning a Charlie Chaplin car. It's like The Three Stooges, probably among the most popular vintage non sports cars. I watched them. I, I, that's not a good example because I'm old enough to have actually watched the Three Stooges, so it's not a great example. And I maybe don't have a great example because, you know, some of my favorites are mine. John Travolta cards. Like, I, I loved watching those guys in movies, so. Certified. What, what was that? Don't, don't you have a Marilyn Monroe card? I have Marilyn Monroe, Yes, I do. I do represent what you're saying. Yu-Gi-Oh sort of. I guess it's just that, like, Yu-Gi-Oh collecting historical figures, like collecting people who collect presidents. Do you really have nostalgia for the, for the presidents from the 1800s or are you building a collection of awesome historical figures? Like, it's just there's so many lanes and all that, so I don't even know how we got down this route. Thanks for tuning in and being a part of the sports cards live community. Don't forget to like, subscribe and most of all, keep collecting more great content to come. Sports cars is a lifestyle.