A New Way to Transport Grails + Does the Hobby Care Too Much About PSA? + Vintage Treasures

Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now. Jeremy Lee in the building and every guess that you ever needed Sports cards after hours keep the hobby heated. Updates homie. Talk like you never seen it Sports Cards live and I could ever beat it Sports cards is a lifestyle style Sports cards and we live now. Welcome to another episode of Sports Cards Live with your host Jeremy Lee. All right, Mac, so since you entered the you've been in the hobby basically your whole life. And recently, very recently, like literally this week, you're basically launching a company in the space. You are launching a company and its logo is just above your head over there. Grail Guard which we've partnered with here on Sports Cards Live as well. So we will be shouting out and helping drive some traffic and attention to grailguard Yu-Gi-Oh People might be wondering what it is. If you don't know yet, want to say hello A quick hello to one of my sports card clubhouse partners. Midlife Greg in the house has some really awesome cards in max collection. Absolutely. So Mac, why don't you explain what is Grailguard and Yu-Gi-Oh What is Grailguard? Yu-Gi-Oh In the simplest terms it's a white glove courier service. So we have background checked couriers across the country. We actually just had our app approved last week. This is something that my partner Joe and I have been working at for over a year now and to bring to the card space. But just as how values and prices are going up, we feel that the best cards in the hobby deserve the best shipping experience. And essentially the way it works is you will go to our website Grailguard Yu-Gi-Oh you'll be able to place a booking on book a delivery and a background checked courier. Many of them are cops, firefighters, nurses. So very trusted people just in society standards will come pick up the card at whatever designated location you have and then it's fully tracked. So from the moment our courier picks it up, if you've ever ordered an Uber Uber eats you open the app and you have full tracking of that courier all the way until we stick it in your recipient's hands. We provide the casing materials and then we are slowly rolling out new partnerships. We have some where if you need cards going to grading we have PSA partners we drop off at certain PSA stores and the goal is just to for everyone's best cards in the hobby just to have the best shipping experience. Yu-Gi-Oh So I appreciate you letting me share. So one of the things that I thought would be you know this is, this is a sort of a sensitive topic. You Know, because I feel bad for the people involved in that transaction. But we talked about a deal on this show about I don't know what we're probably a month and six, six, seven weeks ago we had Steve on, he, he goes by Paw in the Hobby diamond card collector and he, he had the, you all remember this, but he had the Tom Brady that the one of one I think was a Prizm Black, finite, something like that that he bought and paid for and he never received it. He received, I believe what was an empty box. And when I learned about your business, when we first started talking about, the first thing I thought about was, man, I wish I heard about you about a year ago. And we could have maybe avoided that whole situation of fellow hobbyists losing about a half a million bucks because they didn't receive the card that they were intending to purchase. And it seems to me like your service would have completely removed that risk from the table. And, and there's like really? I would feel like there's no nervousness using grailguard versus using whether it's FedEx or UPS or the US Postal Service or some other service or person. I love how you also said that like all of your couriers are like ex cops or cop fight. Like they're all first responder type people. I don't know man. I think whenever you guys came up with that idea that must have been for you, like, Yu-Gi-Oh this is our competitive advantage. This is how we're going to set ourselves apart and gain the trust of our customers. Never mind. You're not just some guy who's coming into the hobby trying to offer a service. You're not UPS offering a new card service. You're a collector who saw a need and, and launched. How did you come up with the idea of the, the police officers as the courier sort of thing? Yu-Gi-Oh just very fortunately I have a, I have a big family and initially just starting out. One of my sisters is a nurse and I have many cousins that are firefighters and I have a lot of friends actually that are cops and the just chatting with them over the years. It's always the story of them being overworked or, and not having enough disposable income and potentially looking for other opportunities. Especially with them working like two days on four days off or four days on three days off where they have these big gaps in time where they can earn extra income. So initially starting Joe, who's one of my co founders, who you've met, Jeremy, obviously he is a former minor league baseball player and he now trains a lot of high school athletes and that's what he did full time. But when I started selling these big cards and this is kind of where the idea started was he offered to do it for me before we had an app, before we had the full tracking because some people just want that white glove service of knowing that that card is going to get there. And it just from our conversations we were like why not have the most trusted people in society who have days off at a time be the people who are our couriers. And another portion of this is we also have a lot of minor league baseball players just and this is just from Joe's and my background because they have the whole like off season off besides their training. So Yu-Gi-Oh incredible. Let's go to a couple comments that have come in on the last topic. Flint hall says a J. Lee sticker is 110% more viable than a Mike Baker sticker. I'll take that Silver Raccoon Rob says great idea. The 219 says this is a great idea for the card space and Skeppy asks how do you plan to ensure the transit if your courier loses a card or gets damaged etc. You can tie a market value to it but can someone insure it for the amount they want to? Yu-Gi-Oh that's a. Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off. If I'm good, I'm done. Yu-Gi-Oh awesome. So great question and this is one of the cool things is we actually self cover what is in transit. When you go to book an item you get to select the items value and as long as it's an accurate representation of that value we will cover up to it. Right now we actually cover all the way up to $50,000 for any nationwide flight which is one location a courier jumping on a plane and flying it to another. We have Metro in California just because that's our heaviest presence of couriers. But Yu-Gi-Oh so we self cover. We're lucky we have some really good backers and we if you have any issue we've had I want to say a little over 20 bookings so far that we've done kind of as the beta as we launched this year just from our web version. We haven't had any experiences where it has been an issue yet but if it does go we go up to actually the value of your card not just what an insurance company and then we scale up to. I just saw one of the other questions is we scale up to $500,000 in coverage we're hoping to get to A million. I don't have a time frame right now, but we want to just do this the right way because we do think this is a good fit for the hobby and needed. Yu-Gi-Oh absolutely. Moloko says very cool idea. Much needed now in the hobby for sure. Especially with values the way they are. And Montreal Expos is a great question says, how will your company guarantee that the correct card is in the package that the courier will be picking up? Yu-Gi-Oh So a lot of the people we're hiring have some sort of hobby knowledge. When you book something on our system, they have to upload photos ahead of time of the item. Again, with graded cards, obviously they have a certain number front and back. And if it does not match or there's anything that seems off, our courier will reject that booking at that moment. Also on delivery. So we take photographs at the beginning with the card. It all gets sealed into essentially an insurance Beckett Once we get to delivery and the card is shown to your recipient, they have to personally sign off on that item being what they paid for and what they expect. And if it's not, you can reject the booking. And then we will handle after that process. So. So if I'm a courier and I get my. I get a. I get a notification from head off head headquarters saying, hey, go pick up a card over there. And the guy who. I'm. Who sold the card to our other client, our buyer gives it to me. It's all sealed up. Can the courier open up that package? Like, are they supposed to see it before they take the package? Or can the recipient at the other end, like, when's the money moving between the buyer and the seller? I guess to make sure that the buyer gets what they want and isn't sending the money and not getting the right card. Yu-Gi-Oh we're hoping at some point to be able to add in an escrow service just to provide another layer for our clients. But we are simply a transportation company of taking an item from point A to point B. Right now you handle money. It's also not legal for us to carry cash do money. That is something that again, if you're sending money to that buyer, we are making sure that item goes from point A to point B. Okay. And then Tommy Jones asks if the courier knows what they are moving, wouldn't that incentivize malfeasance? Totally. Whenever there's money, there is always a risk of fraud. But that is also why our couriers are some of the most trusted people in society. Everyone is background checked. And again, we have all their details. So like active cops, active firefighters, active nurses, all have licenses formal things we have no, like it's. They're not very liable to take an item and run for it. But again if they were to, we are covering you on that item. So that is what we guarantee is from point 8 from to point B, you are getting the item that you upload. Another question here we had from Rugs Capital says who underwrites the guarantee? Can you give a sample price for the service? I think you already spoke to the underwrite, but go ahead again just to make sure people heard it. Yu-Gi-Oh as a company Grail Guard, Yu-Gi-Oh self covers, we have strong backing. We're a well capitalized company. That's also why we're only going up to the $500,000 right now. But you can book again all the way down to if you really wanted to ship a $10,000 card, you're welcome to. And we've seen that even from our like beta testing is everyone has different, different values. We've seen some people who have very high thresholds for shipping $150,000 through FedEx. But that's something that I in the past want to get on a plane and hand deliver. And those are the cards. Another one example is there's only so many signed Jackie Robinson rookies or so many Jackie Robinson signed cards where it's truly a piece of history. And regardless of the value, whether it's 15,000 or 100,000, people don't want that to be shipped through in a box going through escalator escalators and treated like a normal piece of mail. Right. Like the, the conveyor belt with like 400 other packages sort of thing. These will be, will be white gloved. Okay, there's more questions here. I want to give you the opportunity to address these. I think this is a great forum for that. You're welcome. Situational Adventure says thanks for bringing new stuff our way, Jaylee. It's my Pulsar Terp says it could be anything in the box. But you said the receiver needs to sign off. Correct. And at the beginning we take photos of the item itself and it uploads to our system and then we put it in our protected box. So think about it of almost like a high tech camera box, gun safe type thing. I can't share exactly what it is, but it will go into our packaging to make sure that item is safe before we transport it. So we know what is in the box because we are taking photos. So like generally speaking, just to generalize it, you have a 1952 Mickey Mantle. It has its specific cert. The guy buys our service, uploads photos of it with the cert. Initially, we go to the courier, goes to the house, they see that specific item. We photograph it front, back, and if there's anything, maybe a scratch on the case that our courier sees it goes into our protected thing. That courier immediately goes to the airport with its already pre Beckett flight. Flight, and we'll go at that time. And part of the booking process, you get to figure out the time that works best for you and the client. Got it. Okay. Eric says good people go bad all the time, unfortunately. But you do offer coverage, so that's handled. Mickey Minto lasts. How do you handle cross border? We'll come back to that rug. Says, seems ideal. I don't want to get on a plane to trade a card. Eric J. Is wishing you good luck with the business. Maliko asks, okay, is there a package. Sorry, is there a video taken of the card being packaged? And we're gonna. We're now gonna go into hyperspeed because we're gonna switch it up here. But is there a video taken of the card being packaged? We. We have just our own unique camera system that's on our phone that we document the multiple angles of the card with you as the seller, whoever Beckett it in front of you, it goes immediately into the. Our protected package, that goes into our couriers gear, and they are off to the airport. Awesome. Well, listen, Mac, I wish you, of course, wish you good luck with. With the company. I'm excited to help promote it. I like you. I trust you. I like Joe. I like the idea. I like that a guest that I had on the show a few weeks ago, if he would have used your service, would not have been out. Half a million dollars cash. It's actually more than that. So I think it's a great thing what you're doing and I'm excited to help you promote the business here for the next foreseeable future. And so before you go, I want to. I want to bring Leighton on. He's in the back end of bringing. I want to introduce. And I want to introduce you to Leighton and. And give you an opportunity just to. To say goodbye. But let's bring on Leighton first. Layton, give me a thumbs up if you're ready to join us. He's ready. Everyone, please welcome Leighton Sheldon back to Sports Cars Live. Layton, please meet Mac. Mac, please meet Leighton. Leighton, how are you? Max, what's going on, Jeremy? Doing good. Doing good. I don't know what you heard, but Mac has started a company with his partner Joe called Grailguard. And they are a white glove courier service of high end cards from one place in the country to the other, internationally even. And I know, Leighton, you do. You move some high end cards sometimes. You. Sometimes you move a whole set of T206 baseball cards. Maybe you could. You and your purchaser could use a service like this eventually. I'll put you guys in touch so you can have him on speed dial if you ever need the service lighting. You know, Mac, I think it's great. I'm excited to learn more about it. And you know, of course I might be able to use it myself or for my company where I really think it could have some value is. You know, I have a lot of friends that have also, of course, been made through the hobby. And they'll call me and say, late, I'm sorry to bother you, but two things. Can I ask you a price question? Happy to help. You know, meaning an opinion. And then they have a security question. I'm like, I'm not your guy. I don't know. I know about insurance. I'm well aware of insurance. And what I preached to my staff, Mac, is that you don't want to be calling the insurance company with any problems because my staff always loves, like Leighton, we have insurance. I'm like, do you guys understand the whole purpose of the insurance company is to not pay you? That's the purpose. It's not to insure you. Their business is to make money. So all the joking aside, I'm really grateful that someone like yourself and your partner have come along and might be able to help some friends of mine as well as they're trying to navigate the space. That sounds fantastic. Thank you, Jeremy, for connecting us. And Lane, wish I could hire you already with the. The preacher. I have insurance myself for cards. And Yu-Gi-Oh you. You hit the nail on the head. But Lane, it's great to meet you. Jeremy, thank you so much for letting me show part of my collection tonight and just talk about Grailguard. Oh, man, it was a great hour, so thank you. Yu-Gi-Oh you're a great collector. I'm happy that you're behind Grailguard as one of the founders. And hey, I'll nominate myself to be the. A Canadian courier if you need. I. I got. I sometimes have some time on my hands, so if you. If you want, I can. I can. I can. I can work for Grailguard in Canada as a. Once you have. Once you. Once you if you ever need. If you ever need a courier up here, I can help you out, so. All right, Mac, I know you gotta run. You had a hard. You have a hard stop in about five minutes. We'll let you go. I can get into a discussion with Leighton. Thanks for joining. Good luck with grail guard. I'm again, I'm excited to partner with you and help spread the word about what you're doing. So thank. Lots of good luck's coming for you by the way. Yu-Gi-Oh Expos rugs and 219 and Yankees and rugs. Terra free. Jeremy Lee. All right, Mac, good to see you again. We'll be in touch. Thanks, buddy. Take care. Thank you so much. Take care, everyone. Joining. All right, thanks, Mac. No tcg. I did not one-of-one the ruth yesterday. That was fun. Leighton, how are you? I feel like I haven't talked to you in a while. It's good to see you. How's things? Things are good. I know you took vacation with your family. It's a vacation with my son. But happy to be back here, that's for sure. Yu-Gi-Oh Good, good. Good to have you. And what's been going on in the world of Leighton, Sheldon, what's been going on in the world of just collect auction wire making moves. Fill us in and then. And I think you might have come with a topic we can talk about. We have guys, we have Layton to ourselves here for the next about 20 minutes and then we're going to have some more people join the show. I know you might have. You might, I think, have your heart stopping about 20. So what's going on with everything? Any updates? Just collect. Any updates? Auction wire. And then let's talk about a topic. You know, I've been having fun with auction wire going down the rabbit hole of not just cards but tickets and of course non sports. Things are crazy. So I've been really enjoying it. And it's interesting because a buddy of mine who I met through vintage breaks a number of years ago, we've stayed in touch and he's also a vintage collector and I bought a fair amount of cards from him through the years and he's given us a bunch of business. So he contacts me, said late, you know, I saw you had a Ted Williams card at the National 39 play ball and you know I'm interested. Well, it turns out we weren't able to make a deal. It's okay. Weren't able to make a deal, but he was aware of auction wire out of the blue a couple days ago. Says late I was able to get the Teddy Ballgame. Play ball, rookie. Like that's awesome. You know, like, where'd you get it? He's like, I got it through Auction Wire. You ready for this though? He got it through Ash through Legacy Cards. And to me, that is really the beauty of what we're offering. And I'm so excited to share with the hobby because of course you might say, you know what, I really just look at a couple auction houses. What do I need to enroll in a service that I don't need 50 or 50 plus platforms to check out? I only look at a few auctions. What if those auctions don't have what you want? There's no way on God's green earth you could possibly cover all the dealers. And make no mistake, we're not covering all the dealers either. However, we're covering some key folks. And if you out there are someone who has tried and you are excited about what we're building at Auction Wire and you know of a particular dealer, whether it be vintage Jeremy or modern, let us know and you can email me or you can DM us through social because we'll do everything we can to try to work with that individual. Just like we did with Legacy and we did with several others including Just Collect and Garrett from Ballpark Memories. We're trying to make this the world's largest virtual online card show at all times. And I think that's really cool that my buddy Jim was able to buy. I wouldn't say it was his grail card, but it was one of his grail cards and he was able to do so in a non auction platform. And it just shows you the power of what we're doing in Auction Wire. Yu-Gi-Oh it's so cool, man. I'm always searching for cards and now I do go to Auction Wire to make sure I'm covering everything off. So not only did I discover a card like I, I was led to a card that I'm looking at on, on Huggins and Scott, an auction house that I don't review every single auction, but I also discovered an auction house that I wasn't even that familiar with except for looking at their terms and conditions for appendix F of pops and comps, which was Auctions of Auction of Champions, you know, and I registered with them because they got some cool stuff like it's, it's Yu-Gi-Oh opening, it's a great tool. What? Okay, you're. We've been talking vintage all night so far with Mac. He's an Yu-Gi-Oh appeal guy. I Said, hey, Leighton, if you want to bring a topic tonight, that'd be great. I know you probably did. So I'm curious to hear what you might have brought. Well, I did. It's interesting that the Yu-Gi-Oh appeal was, I guess, the discussion of the night so far, because the topic that I brought and it's, I think, kind of fitting both with your topic as well as what's going on specifically with psa. And, you know, listen, of course you're going to have strong opinions, I believe, on both sides, but does the hobby care too much about the opinion of psa? And of course, it's a little bit of a loaded question. Right. Sorry, I'm gonna break my neck. Yu-Gi-Oh Yes. So, of course my question is, I mean, listen, I think most people are gonna be in the same camp here, but then it's the same vein, but a little bit of a different tangent. What you say there's some people that are disappointed at the moment with psa. We know that to be true. Well, what if Fanatics said to you, you know what? Tonight's the night we're coming to Sports Cards live. We're going to ask everyone in the studio audience, what is it going to take from here at the Fanatics headquarters to put out a quote, unquote, better grading experience? And some of my notes, I really think, whether it be it's Fanatics or cgc, which actually already has a fairly large, at least foothold as far as a company goes. I mean, Jeremy, if we don't change as a hobby, I don't see how a grading company can change. I think that's how we're. We're so ingrained at the moment with our behaviors and our patterns. So I'll pause there, but that's the topic or the group of topics that I brought this evening. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm going to need to get a massage after. I was agreeing. I was vehemently agreeing with you. The one. Okay. You mentioned, and I know you were just doing for discussion, but I would think that if Fanatics were to make that announcement, I mean, there's already so much of the monopoly talk about Fanatics if they now entered the grading world. I think that a lot of the hobby that isn't really tuned into the, the, like the ongoing content narratives out there would just be all right. Another great income to have owned by Fanatics. Okay, that's great. No big deal. But the. All the narrators in our hobby would. I think that would be like, you know, ripe for the attack by. By all the people with opinions. YouTubers, Instagrammers, tweeters, all that stuff. So I. I wonder how that would go over. Maybe it would. Maybe the proof would be in the pudding. And by that, I mean maybe it would come down to how well they execute, how consistent they are, what their standards actually say. Say, are these. Are they the same as PSA standards? Are they their own standards? I don't know, but I like when you. What you said makes a lot of sense. In order for a grading company to change, the hobby sort of needs to change a little bit, too. And right now, the hobby is so just. You know, I talk about the. The PSA Kool Aid. It's very strong. It's a strong. It's the strongest drink in the universe, I think. I think it's. It's a potion. And. And people are blinded by it. It's great marketing by them. I mean, it's almost not really their fault. It's kind of. It's the hobby. The hobby did it. The hobby put them where they are. And so we do. The hobby does overvalue their. Because when we say their opinion. Leighton, that's a. That's the place where I would like to see. I would like to see, like, when you go to your favorite baseball team's website and you can go to the roster and you can look at all the players on the roster that you are paying to watch and learn a bit about them. I'd like to go to the grading company's website and look at their roster of who their graders are. And. And. And that might open up a lot of eyes that might spike that Kool Aid in the opposite direction, because people might say, wait a second. This is who we're trusting. Because you're not. You're not trusting psa. I mean, you are. But PSA is just slapping their brand on the grader, one of however many hundred graders they have that's doing the grading themselves. PSA is not a grader, guys. PSA is not a human. PSA is like, this fictional entity. It's a corporation. It doesn't. It only exists for legal purposes. It's not a person. So you're not. You're not trusting psa. Well, you are, because they're slapping their brand on it. But, I mean, you can. You can slap any brand on anything. You know, it's. Yu-Gi-Oh I know. I'm kind of. I'm kind of going off. Sorry, can you say something? I feel like I might have just. Oh, sure. I can hear you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Good, good, good. one-of-one you see what I'm getting at, like Yu-Gi-Oh we, the hobby is PSA is the God. PSA is the hobby God. I've said that before and I'll say it again. Well, I mean, listen, I didn't mean to make your head spin where to get you all tensed up, but of course I wanted to come with a topic that would be interesting to discuss. And what I'm willing to do for the sake of discussion is let's just say you're right. Fanatics is unable to start a grading company because they would start World War Three in our, in our space. Okay, so let's say they're not going to do that, but let's just say that Fanatics is now going to support CGC because supposedly they have an investment or Rubin has an investment in cgc. My point is, and I don't know, I'm curious what everyone else out there thinks. What would they have to do in order to be better? I don't really know because if you said to me they just didn't need to be, to be more accurate with their grades, here's the thing. Yes, that would be wonderful. But you know that the cards one-of-one sell for the same amount and you're not going to be happy. So would you rather have a card that may not be as accurately grade as you like, but it sells for more on average, or do you want a very accurately graded card but you can't sell it for as much? Well, and that's where, that's exactly where we're at right now. Because the hobby, when you say the hobby, I mean we're really, we're really talking mostly I would, I would say about the uninformed, the uninitiated, the ignorant to what's really going on. I think that people who really know and, and are deep in the. Immersed in the hobby like you and me are and many people watching. I feel like people like that understand what they're doing and, and they don't trust the. Not don't trust psa. Well, maybe some people don't. I just don't trust or, or really give their grades any credence. I don't. It's almost irrelevant to me what the grade is unless I can use it to my advantage, which I do in terms of low grade, high. I appeal. I mean the lower the grade, the better for me because I'm just going to save more money because other people will ignore it. A beautiful card because it's got a low number on, on the label for Some technical reason that you might not even be able to see with your own two eyes. But Yu-Gi-Oh man, what could they do better? Adhere to your own standards. I saw somebody in the chat, made the comment here and said, oh, Tommy Jones says their strict grading standards did it. What strict grading standards? They don't have strict grading standards. Their grading standards are all over the place. Their standards themselves have changed over the years. Their adherence to their standards change to second to second day to day minute. They're always changing. So that's not it, Tommy Jones. I think the perception that they have strict grading standards might have done it, but they don't have strict grading standards, or I shouldn't say the standards as written might be strict, but they just don't follow them that way. So. But I think that's what a company could do, Leighton, is develop a set of standards, adhere to them strictly, consistently and reproducibly. Just make sure that if you give a card an 8 on, on January 1st, you're going to give that same card an 8. 365 days later, five years later, a week later, the next day. That's all, that's all we want. But PSA will tell you, well, that they leave it to the grader. All the graders are different. So PSA is literally, it's a, it's a rubber stamp company. All they're doing there there is just a rubber stamp. They're really not giving you a grade that's reliable. They're just not. But they're rubber stamping it. And people care more about the rubber stamp than they care about the accuracy, if I can use that word of the grade. Thoughts? Well, listen, I mean, I agree with you, but I also think, as you were alluding to, that you can, if you understand the system, even though it might be frustrating in some areas, utilize that information to your advantage. Exactly. So, for example, and I realize that this is a little bit self serving because we did buy a great collection in the last couple days, but one of the items that we bought, it's tremendous. I'm going to share with you what it is. I don't have it here, it's physically in the office, but I do have a couple of the cards from the collection. And part of the reason why it's awesome is because it's visually appealing. Another reason why it's awesome, Jeremy, is it would absolutely be worth more money if the grading companies graded them. I don't care that they don't grade them now. Maybe they will one day and we'll refer Back to today's episode. Leighton, remember when you said that they didn't grade police gazettes? So for those that don't know, they're from the early, early part of the 1900s, and in particular, this collection that I bought was from a gentleman who happened to go to the same college as Christy Mathewson. For those that don't know, it's Bucknell. And Christy Mathewson became a star for them. And obviously, he did not go there at the same time, but he became a collector. And one of the items he acquired that I'm going to keep for my PC is the 1901 Police Gazette of Christy Mathewson. And if you know anything about it, if you've seen any of those, even though they're in black and white, to me, they're visually stunning. This one is impeccable condition. And if you Google it or, you know, use ChatGPT, some would even argue that it's his earliest card and it's his rookie. Well, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but it doesn't really matter in terms of the grading world, because no one grades it. It's too large. However, to me, that's what's cool about it. I'm going to get it framed. If I can get really lucky, I'll acquire a Mathewson cut, and all of a sudden, I'm going to have one of the ultimate baseball collectibles, and I'm really excited about it. Congrats, man. That sounds Zebra cool. What is it? So you don't have it with you? Because I don't know what this looks like. Sure. It's. I mean, how big is it? It's like, you know, they're pretty large baseball premiums. I'm trying to think about how tall it is. So it's like maybe the size of 28 by tens on top of each other. Maybe even a little bit taller than that. Meaning it's pretty tall. It's skinny, but it's tall. Oh, Yu-Gi-Oh sorry, I Tribute my. I Tribute my pad. Oh, okay. No worries. No worries. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, obviously, I can't pull it up. I mean, I could pull it up on my computer, but I don't know how to show that to you, you know, on the screen. That's. Okay. Well, that. Don't worry about it. We usually at a point like this in a video, the. The video creator would say, I'll put a. We'll put a picture of that up on the screen. It's a live stream. We're not gonna be able to do that. But check out. But I'm sure you'll put it eventually up on. Yu-Gi-Oh Yes. On Instagram. It'll also be on our blog as part of the full story behind this gentleman and the collection that he put together. You can find the story ultimately on our blog@blog duchesscollect.com but if you don't want to wait, there are hundreds of stories about collections and cards that we bought over the last 20 years. Now, I do have one of the Mathewson cards from the collection with me and Jeremy. It's not the card I texted the other day. It's actually better. And the card I texted the other day was very good. So without further ado, this is one of the coolest cards, I think, from the 1915 crackerjack set. It is an awesome, very well centered, beautiful red Christy Mathewson in an SGC6. That's gorgeous. Yu-Gi-Oh look at that. Leighton is showing us the card right now on the screen, and it is, like, beautifully centered. I don't know if that's perfect or not, but what a gorgeous, like, what's wrong with it, Leighton? That it's not graded higher outside of the caramel stick, you probably can't see it so well through the computer and the screen, but it's got a little bit of staining on the front from being in a Cracker Jack package. But to me, that's what makes it even cooler because as many of us baseball card enthusiasts know, the 1915 Cracker Jack came in two versions. One that came in the actual candy packages, one that came in the factory set. And it's not that I wouldn't love an unblemished, unstained version, but I know, like, some kid probably had this. You know, I have no idea how it survived, but it is a beauty. Yu-Gi-Oh that's very, very nice card. Absolutely. I love the card you did send me. Very nice as well. Is that a card you can talk about or. Oh, sure. Yu-Gi-Oh Well, that was part of the same collection. It's an E103 Williams caramel, which is a very rare and tough set to find, let alone in high grade. And Mathewson, this gentleman had was a PSA 6.5, which is just an absurdly high grade version of it. And, you know, it's a little bit off center. But that, that red Jeremy, is amazing. Gorgeous. And I'm. I'm holding my phone up to the camera. It actually looks like you have the card. It's kind of. Yu-Gi-Oh I know it. It does, right? It's almost like you. It's funny, those fingers, right? Those are your fingers. They look like. Yes, I know. It's funny. Yu-Gi-Oh Through the, The. The sort. What do you call that effect there? The. Whatever that effect is. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Well, it looks great. I'm glad I sent it to you. But that was the only card I shared with you. You know, the last few days have been busy. I had to, you know, go out of town to get the collection and then just dealing with, you know, some family stuff. I did have one or two other cards if you'd like me to show off. Yu-Gi-Oh So the gentleman's collection was heavily focused on Mathewson, but he really appreciated baseball. And, you know, he had a little bit of Ruth, a little bit of Garrig, and then he also had some cards from, you know, the 40s and 50s. So this is one of those cards. Keep in mind, you know, he was buying these cards before they cost what they do today. So, you know, the family did, you know, okay. In terms of selling the collection, in terms of profit. And one of those cards, you know, many people feel other than the 52 mantle is one of the best looking cards from the 50s. And this is a Hank Aaron rookie and a PSA7. And it is an old PSA grade, but it actually stands up pretty well, Jeremy, as far as the grade and the condition versus the actual number on the label. Yu-Gi-Oh man. I mean, that it's. It's stunning. This Topps Hank Aaron PSA 7. Layton's showing it to us right now. The color, the orange, the blue on the cap, the borders. Beautiful copy. Yu-Gi-Oh incredible. So there was cool stuff like that. And then for me, I really appreciate the early exhibit cards. And so he didn't necessarily have a ton of Ruth and Gary Gowdies. He had one Garrett Gowdy, but he had a. He had a slew of exhibit Ruths and Garricks. And you know, some of them are not the easiest to find. Yu-Gi-Oh really nice. And I like this Garrick in particular, the 26 to 29 and actually has the postcard back. And I really like those with the exhibits. I'm curious out there if you guys like the blank back exhibits or the ones with the postcard backs. And you know, me personally, I dig the postcard backs. I would dig the postcard backs too. I. I always. I have several cards that have blank backs. 51, Parker's hockey blank back set. Unfortunately, 52, they added a back and made the card a bit bigger. 51s are blank back as. As well as a whole bunch of Foreign issue, you know, music, cards and that. But I, and I talk, when I talk to David Chase about when we're looking at cars, he's like, you're not going to like this one. There's nothing on the back. It's like, if it's the only option, I can like it. But if there's an option that has a back like the 1980 Taraboosi Wolverine, there's two versions. One has a back, one doesn't. Give me the. Give me the version with something on the back. I feel like you're getting more value for your collecting for the card because you can turn it over and see something. So I always like a card that has something on something on the back. Absolutely. All right, man. Well, great. Any more cards to show? No, those are the only handful that I selected to show off tonight. I wish I had the. The 1901 Police Gazette of Christy Mathewson, but you'll look it up later. It's really cool. Well, okay, let me go to a comment here then. A couple comments that have come through. Vintage card collector here says, could another grading company perform significantly better than PSA at that same scale? Not a niche company, but a company doing PSA's volume. It's much harder than many people think. Well, you also got to find the graders. And I have to think that finding the graders is probably their biggest challenge. If it wasn't, they'd be staffing up. Not just you got to find them, then you got to train them. And you have to hope that they were trained properly, that. That they were trainable. Not everybody's going to be trainable in card grading. And I, I've like, to me, I can't imagine sitting there and grading a couple thousand cards a day or 500 a day. Whatever it is. It doesn't sound like fun work to me. I'd rather just look at my card and not be stressed about having to give it a grade and hoping I get it right or, you know. But Yu-Gi-Oh I'm on the same page and agree. I would say once again, without trying to occupy the whole discussion, I think that it's possible because it's not going to happen at psa. Maybe they'll do something with SGC along these lines, but I don't think so. I think that there's room for a boutique vintage grading service because, Jeremy, I'm asking you sincerely, why do I need my grading company of choice to also grade modern cards? So, in other words, if I want a Kobe chrome, I'm okay with it. Being in a Beckett holder, I'm okay with it being in a PSA holder, but if I want my graded card and I'm scary, my vintage card and a graded holder, I, I guess I'm a little bit pessimistic, like many others out there, about the long term viability of psa. Not just helping me, but helping my customers just complete their registry sets. How are they supposed to do that if the best they can pay is $80 per card, when in some cases the cards that they're looking to fill their sets with aren't worth $80 per card? Yu-Gi-Oh that's, that's a challenge. I think it's, that's like, what I say is, you know, a lot of you hear people say it all the time, and I get it. They say, you know, people are grading cards, they shouldn't be grading. I say, that's pretty telling people how to live their life, really. You know, like, if I want to create a card, I'm going to grade a card regardless if you think I should or shouldn't. I think people have. I, you know, people have equal rights to PSA's capacity, regardless of what they, if they're willing to pay the, to pay for it, they can do it. I'm not saying it's good. I'm not saying I'm for it. This is not about me thinking that base cards worth a dime need to get great. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying if someone who owns a base card worth a dime wants it in the slab for any reason they want, they can do it. Who are we to tell them not to, except that we'd rather put our cards ahead of theirs because we want our cards great and we want to, our cards are worth more and we want to be able to flip them or whatever. So we want to, we want to skip the line for the people who want their cheaper cards graded. So, but, but back to the point of what you're saying. You said, you know, why can't we have a boutique company grading vintage? I think PSA bought SGC maybe for that exact reason, or collectors bought SGC just for that reason. Problem is that Kool Aid is so strong in the hobby that people only want psa. So I'm with you, Leighton, but like you said aptly at the start of this discussion, until the hobby changes. Why would the grading company change? They're, they're, they, they, they don't have time to change. They're too busy. They're too busy grading. You know what? Two and a half million cards a month or whatever it is. So Yu-Gi-Oh man, interesting stuff. Fun discussion. Chris McGill and Joshua Adams have entered the studio. I'm going to bring them on. Leighton, you said you could. You're how you do. You're welcome to stick around if you want. I can stick around for a few more to hang with the guys for. For a bit. All right, Chris, Josh. Give me some thumbs up, fellas, if you're ready to join us. Thanks for tuning in and being a part of the Sports Cards Live community. Don't forget to like, subscribe and most of all, keep collecting more great content to come. Sports cars is a lifestyle. Are you looking for a new favorite podcast? Are you looking for a podcast about movies? Are you looking for a podcast that strictly covers 80s 90s, 2000s movies? Are you looking for a podcast that's going to be doing movies like so I Married an Ax Murderer, Hot Tub, Time Machine, Grandma's Boy and Ghost? Well, then you just found it. 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