Are We in a Hobby Bubble with Luke from Card Czar

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With sleepscore, Apple Watch measures your bedtime consistency, interruptions and sleep duration. Then every morning it combines these factors into an easy to understand score from 1 to 100. So you'll know how to take the quality of your sleep from. Okay, two very high. Know your sleep score with Apple Watch, iPhone 11 or later required. And my whole point is I don't care if you think this guy's going to be the next Hakeem Olajuwon meets Steph Curry with the jumper and the slick the alien. Unbelievable. Top two of all time. Phenomenal. My point was I think you can get a big win now. And I think in 40 days you can buy him significantly cheaper. Where would you like to start, Jesse? Um, what's up with those peanuts? So it's bad. Let's start there. It's bad enough that this whole desk is always just disgusting, covered in crap. I come in and your pervert hot dog fiend friend Funkle, he needed even frickin dry roasted unsalted planters peanuts. He works out really hard and he needed some calories. Those are your trash. There is a trash barrel here. There's one over there. I'm sure. And I got this crap under me. Well, there's a few left. I'll take those. I'll probably. I'll finish those off. You guys are animals. This is why your new people aren't allowed in the new studio. I'm setting the rule now. No Funkle in the new studio ever. Well, that rule, Ray remotely. Ray will. Will probably be there. I have no problem with Ray. Here's the thing. Funko is a national treasure. He deserves to be able to eat peanuts when and where he wants. Okay. Clean up after yourself and there'll be none of this just filth. Just a pile of crap. Well, that's fair. Okay, see, we agree. Let's just move on. We found common ground. No Funkle and no, no, we've never agreed on that. Never agreed on that part. I. I've got things to talk about from card show. I have things to talk about. This is a hobby. So let's not go crazy. Just, I know my. I know my audience. I've got deals like people can go out and make money right this moment. Okay. And I've got follow up stories on good time, good feelings. You tell me where you want to fit those in. I've never been less interested. You tell me where you want to fit those. We had the ticker on the side. Like hopefully we have in the new studio guarantee you they all go over like gangbusters. Boring. But okay, go ahead. You. You start off where you want and I'll give my Wemby update. Well, I'll just mention the card show was. It was a lot of fun. It was a success. It was definitely a Pokemon show. So that being said, if you are into Pokemon, that is called Pokefest, right? Absolutely. It's Pokefest. And then like subtext, Disney, Star Wars, Marvel, everything else you other perverts can come to. No, they don't use Extra, extra. I will say this. What's the. Michael, what's below this? Michael, listen to me. You know I love you. What? You can't say pervert. Why? At least not as much. I've gotten so many comments about it lately. Like, can you please. Mike, this is one of those mics when I say I've gotten so many messages since two weeks. I know. I swear to you. I swear to you, it is at this point somewhere between seven and 10. And this is in the last month to two months. I don't care. I'm just saying there's a lot of people who don't want to hear it. Yeah, because they're creeps. Your friends who are up there dressed like you, like an idiot in front of children. You know, some of them are sports cards guys though, right? Don't. They don't have to be. They don't. There's plenty of room for. He's saying no more. People are too sensitive. I got. I got in a little bit of trouble with the chat. My own chat less on ebay live. Because I was making fun of Kobe. Oh, people are way too sensitive. Let me, let me guess. You listened and you said, all right, you're right, I'll back down. No, I was like, first of all, no, I'm not worried about it. Because you know what? Kobe's not sad about these comments. I also made a comment that Caitlin Clark is a better player than Kobe right now. She is. And she's never been defeated by a helicopter. So two for two, Caitlin. I'm not. I do not approve that message. I apologize. All right, so let me tell you this. I left the legal stuff out of it at least Caitlin Clark clean record. So anyways, good. No accusations, by the way. So Jeff. Jeff was walking around with. Not with pizzas at the show, but he was walking around with donuts. Just as a heads up. Literally the greatest show promoter in the world. Can I just say this too? I have never seen this at another show or even heard of it. I've never heard anybody comment of. Oh, when you go to a card show, this is what you need to be doing and or happening. They have runners at that show going around the entire venue at least I'd say probably three to four times during a day and just going. Anybody need ones? Anybody need fives? Change. Exactly. Change to the guy in the Cincinnati jersey. Yes, yes. His name, I always want to say it's Ricky or Jimmy. Yeah, he's been there for. He's more Jeff for years. Yeah, I used to think that was his wife's out front, working the front like the entry. I just got to say things like that make show promoters all the much better. Like it just elevates it to a new level. Correct. So thank you for doing stuff like that. And this apparently. So at the next card show, the next sports card show, they are going to have guys. I was the guy he was talking about. They have people making cards at the shows and so you can go over there, give them a picture and they'll make a card of it. There you go. So it was really cool. Yeah, we, we took a little photo on the last day and then I didn't know that. Apparently Ray went over there and got little cards made up of it. So it's really autograph now. They leave a little spot at the bottom where you can all smudge. Oh, it's stars. I thought, yeah, it's no smudge, just stars. So it was like 100. That's good. I didn't co sign on that. I never agreed to 100. Happy. I would never. I never go 100%. I will make sure to do it in June. So, yeah, that's at the June card show. That was a lot of fun. So here, let me jump into where people can make money, because I think that's the topic that I think I've checked out today. And not in a bad way. I just. I have other things. I apologize. So up front, you are familiar with the card product of NFL Sapphire, right? You've heard of this? You're aware. What's wrong with you? Are you choking? What's the matter with you? I was just making. I thought you were like, hyperventilating. Are you good? I was making a joke. Have one of your 19 cups. Have a quick sip. I just want to make sure you're good. You're breathing. There you go. Okay. Yeah. Tops, Chrome, Sapphire. You heard of this? Yes. Okay, Is it. Is it Tops Chrome or is it just Top Sapphire? It's Tops Chrome Sapphire. There is a chrome in there. Okay, good. So Tops, Chrome, Sapphire, football. Mm. Did you see prices at all? No, it's very, very high. I mean, it may not be too high. This may be what. Let me give you a number first. Yeah, sure. I just sold A box of 2024 tops Chrome Sapphire and ripped it on ebay Saturday night, maybe Friday night, whatever, for like 900 bucks. Not licensed, but a phenomenal rookie class. Oh, a lot higher than that. Like thousands. Yes. So this product, I will say, currently selling on ebay, the Last one sold 3200. This is before tax and shipping. It sold for 2850. Disgusting. So with tax and shipping, yeah, you're probably much closer. 30, 30, 200 something around there. That is a. That's a high price. I think many people can agree. But that is where we are settled at right now. Dave and Adams isn't even. They don't have any boxes listed, so I couldn't compare to that. Okay, but could you contrast to that or no? We'll see. We're going to find out as I go. The. The point I wanted to bring out is, you know, I deal with the third down guys a lot. The shop over in the uk, so they've been saying how they feel like the UK market has not been prepared for the amount of product that they've been getting. There's just. There's a lot of SKUs coming in. Sure. And there's just maybe not as many buyers for those SKUs. Okay. So island sir, what has been happening is, for example, with Top Sapphire for Football, that release goes out, many people win, and they immediately go on to ebay and start selling it like People the website, just like many people in the US do. However, they are much more content with getting 10, 20% in some cases just their money back. Because it's been a race to the bottom. Many people are selling this for much less than what we are selling it for in the States. Okay. At this point, at this point in time is now Monday afternoon. I checked eBay UK, eBay US to compare sales. I already mentioned the one in the US is 2850. The last sold one. You have buy it now offers for eBay UK which after you do the conversion from pounds to dollars, it's coming out to be right about 2000, 2100 a box. Okay, so you can legit there. And we got to pay tariff on that too, though. Import tariffs. So there are going to be tariffs, but the tariffs are. I just did a purchase that was like 18,000 and I think I paid like 700 in tariffs. So it's somewhere like 8%. Yeah, it's, it's not a ton, so. But that's also in addition to your tax. So like for example, I buy something at 2,000 bucks. Break up the math real quick. So I can tell you I've already done some of this math. So if you were to buy that box in the, that 2850 in the US there's going to be like $10 shipping and then you've got nine and a quarter. Yep. The, the tax over there came out to be just about 10%. So it's really not that different. The tax being about equal, you can legit turn around and make about $500. But if you, I don't think your number is correct. If I buy it at 2100. Correct. I have to pay my 9%. Well, 2100 is the highest one. There are 2000 under 2000. But. Yeah, well, let's just say 2000. 2000. I'm then paying 1.09%. My sales tax, I'm at 2180. My tariff is going to be. Wait, why are you paying 1.09%? You're paying their. Theirs is like closer to 10%. The tax, the VAT, whatever you want to call it. Okay, so temperatures, I'm at 2200 and I have to pay tariff on the import charge coming in. Yeah, which we just said was about 8%. If that is the right percentage. I don't know if that's the right percentage, but yeah, that's chatgpt. It could be right. So give me a country where I'm buying this from. UK tariff amount. But Bottom line is you are probably going to deal with, let's call it if it's 2000, maybe 150 to 200, something like that, in addition to the 200%, because the 10% is their tax, huh? Yeah, yeah. I mean. Oh, on goods, about 8%. Yeah, yeah. So 160 bucks plus 200. So I'm at 360. So I'm now at 2360. So 2360 versus the one in the U.S. you're going to be 33, like, because I mean, you still have tax on the one that sold for 2850 here. So I mean, you're not getting around that. So here's the problem though. If I now sell them at 23.50, just use a round number, 2350. If I sell it over here for 2800 times 0.87, I'm making 2436 as a seller. How can I buy that and make money? If you are selling it over here for 2,800, what is the 0.87? Oh, you're saying the 13% selling on eBay? Yeah. So I mean, that is, if you're going to go and sell it on ebay, you can buy them on Facebook right now for 2,500 bucks. Who's selling it on Facebook? Yeah. Like what? Where do you. So again, going back to this idea, there is a discrepancy in value between the two. It does, yes. There's probably going to be ways where you would either break even or not make as much, but you will be able to buy it for cheaper there and you can have it shipped over. How long does it take to get here? You can have it two days. So I use Card Locker. So there's a service. It's called Card Locker uk. Basically you can ship every. It's like what they do for the. If they are out of country, people buying in the US where they have the shipping service, like ship my cards or whatever. Okay. This is Card Locker uk where you can have anything you buy in the uk, whether it's cards or anything else, just ship there and then just whenever you're ready, have it all shipped to you in one package. And I'm not paying the shipping. That's my other question. Who's paying the shipping on this? No, there's shipping costs, but shipping costs, are they. I guess there's like, it's negligible to the point where it's like maybe 40 bucks or something, depending on the size. I can't even ship a case to Eddie for that. You're shipping it from England to here for 40 bucks for a case. It depends on shipping time, like how fast you're doing it and the weight and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, I used to. In fact, when I was ordering from Ireland, I used to get stuff for 40 bucks today from, for with FedEx. So I don't know. I don't know all the ins and outs of it. But bottom line is it's not just this product. This is mini products and singles as well, if you guys are interested in. Hey, how do I find cards? Maybe better deals than what I'm finding them right now. Look at markets where they may be oversaturated. And this is a perfect example because you have something where you can have this shipped to you if you set up a third party, like card locker service. So I don't know, I thought it was pretty cool. And I'm not, I'm not opposed. I just, I was like, I also want to make sure, like we're given correct numbers because like I said, you start adding in taxes and tariffs and everything. Sure. Yeah. And if you have to, if you're going to resell it on ebay, then yeah, you're going to take a hit with a 13%. But I mean, again, if you're going to buy it for breaks, like if there's breakers out there looking for product, I mean, that's. It's not bad. Yeah. So the cheapest I can find is a buy it now at 2700. But yeah, you're right. If you're going to buy it to break it, that's different. Then you're not paying the 13 on this side. So. Yeah. Yeah, it's so select market. Yeah. Okay, I'm with you. So that was it. That was the. That was the one. As far as like making money, doing a flip, doing something like that, there's an opportunity. I would say stick to Pokemon, my friend. Just kidding. The other one that I wanted to throw out there, do you remember we talked about. I can tell by the tone I'm going to hate. No, because I just think. I don't remember if you were. You weren't here when we originally did the story. So I don't know if you died. Is that why or. No, I don't think this was that. Oh, okay. Because my uncle died. Might have been that. Oh, great. Okay. Antonio Cruz was a hobby hero. The gentleman posted in the sports cards nonsense. Facebook group heard of it, saying he got some fan credit from fanatics Went on Fanatics Live, bought into a break, didn't really get a whole lot, I think, but ended up getting shipped cards that were not his, including a $18,000 Tom Brady auto out of 10. Yeah, yeah, okay, yes. So he sent it back to the guy or something. He made it right instead of keeping it for himself. Let them know. Should have said it to me. By the way, is he a listener of the show? He's in our Facebook group. You're not listening to our show. There's a lot of questions. I would have given every two grand. I don't have every answer. But this. In this case, he did ship it back because of the just being a good guy person. Sure. Now what happened after that? We now have a follow up to this story. So he didn't reach out to us. You say the word karma, I'm going to punch in the throat. Is that fair? Is that fair? I never use the word karma. Making sure. Okay. Unless I'm talking about credit karma, which I do use that. Or Darman Greg credit Dharma. Is that what you said? Move along. So Jenna Elfman. What was his name? No one knows his name. Whatever happened, he was though. Oh, she fell off a cliff. But he ended up being the star of. Oh, Criminal Minds. Lawyer thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's excellent. Criminal Minds. Is that another show you watch besides West Wing? I did years. I actually. Oh, by the way, quick update on that. Hang on, let me finish this. You brought it up. Quick update started this morning while doing my shipping from last night because I'm still the fastest shipper in the world. Uh huh. Episode one. The pilot started tonight. Why did you have to pull it up? Sam is entangled with a lady of the night, so to speak. Although he's not paying her. He doesn't know. And then potus. That's not his name. That's my boss's title. Alexander Hamilton. Situation President of the United States. Anyways, Josh Lyman on the hot seat. Dude, I cannot wait to cash out of the show and just do a rewatchables. So of just West Wing. Okay? Over and over and over. So Cruz dad's watching it by the way too. We'll call him in a minute. So Antonio Cruz sends the card back and as a thank you, he gets two different thank yous. He gets a thank you both from the Breaker and Fanatics. So Fanatics ends up sending them some break credit and a SGC 6 Walter Payton Rookie card. So not that, I mean Fanax really wasn't even involved in this, but as a thank you for being a good guy. They sent him that. Okay. Then you also had the breaker has a huge thank you. Sent him. Apparently just a bunch of different whack. Okay, so he didn't end up taking a picture of all the wax he had, but he did show one of the cards. He ends up ripping a box of 2026 Bowman baseball. He ends up pulling out a Miracami anime. Out of 10 that one of them just sold for $7,500. Who is it? What do you mean? Oh, Murakami. Yes, that's the sluggard for the White Sox. Yeah. Yeah. So the fact that this guy goes out of his way. Call it what you will, but it is really cool to see good guys win. Moral of the story, you just lost 8,000 bucks. The Brady's worth a lot more. But you screwed yourself. He got the other thing. That's awesome. Good for him. I'm glad to hear that. And actually good on the breaker. Some Breakers. Oh, yeah. Just send it to the buyer. Yeah, that's good. That's excellent. I thought it was all parties involved. Well done. I rarely fun where this is a off the normal beaten path episode. Since we're recording on Memorial Day, which we don't. Can we. Why would we ever do that? Dude. And I'm missing a cookout to be here. Dude. Wait, I'm excited. Whose cook are you going to. Oh, that sounds fun. Also, my pool's 85 degrees left. That heater cranking because of all the rain. Aunt Becky and Uncle Jim are there. It's Rebecca and James. I know their names. I'm telling you. Aunt Becky and Uncle Jim are there. You can call them whatever you want. I'm fine with it. We may be going to Columbia. Talked to him for a while yesterday. I actually. They're down there in Columbia already. And I'm just like, you know what country? Or Columbia. Tennessee. No, the country. Yeah. Yeah. Lived in Houston. Do you not know this? Not my aunt now. But you were at the dinner thing on Saturday, weren't you? Speak to them for more than two minutes. Hannah doesn't tell you these things. Notice. You blew them off too, by the way. Nice job. I did not blow them off. They. It was always up in the air. I have. I have card shows. Card shows before family every time. Yeah, no kidding. Your mom and grandmother in the hospital dying and you're freaking. You and Funko are eating hot dogs together, meeting in the middle and then taking pictures like idiots. I don't. I'll finance the. You guys are Thinking about moving to Columbia. I'm in. Let me know. I'm kicking it. Can I talk about Wemby now? Yeah, sure. All right, so I took a lot of crap that actually one of our more popular clips on YouTube. Surprising, because YouTube stinks for us. I mentioned the other day, hey, get rid of Wemby. I would sell him now. Conversely, they lost two games in a row. Granted, they won last night. Looked great. They did. Yep. I sold The Wemby for 3300. The Wemby Silver. Oh, okay. Got it for about 1900 in trade. Massive win. And my whole point is, I don't care if you think this guy's going to be the next, you know, Hakeem Olajuwon meets Steph Curry with the jumper and just like the alien. Unbelievable. Top two of all time. Phenomenal. Or if you think he's going to break his wrist tomorrow, never play again, or thrombosis or whatever it is, I don't care. My point was, I think you can get a big win now. And I think in 40 days, you can buy him significantly cheaper. Now, granted, there has been another random $3,800 sale that there was also a bunch of 32, 30 $300 sales. So it was right in line. And I sold it direct. So it's the same as me selling on ebay for about 3,600. So we're gonna go by eBay. Comps call it 36, because I sold it for cash. Okay. And people were just like, why would you ever sell it long term, hold all this other crap. My point is the same as with anything else. Even with my upper deck Griffey. I sold those a couple months ago for a ton of money. I'll buy back in when they drop if I want it with Wemby. You can sell it now and buy back in. Yeah, I don't think his pricing is going to go through the roof, but I did at least want to give an update because we got a lot of whole. Well, if you're doing that, put your money where your mouth is. Done. I sold the other 12 slabs last night. I had 12 slabs I bought from Shep. 12 slabs. The same or just? Just a bunch of different Wemby rookies. Sold all those. Sold the big one. The only one I have left is the one I just got in from Arena Club. I emptied out the vault, by the way. That came in a week. We just talked about that on last Monday's show. It was 12, 1260 in shipping. I got six slabs I think I was not well, 60 in shipping and it came in a week. Yeah, I was. That's like the fastest of like. And one of the ones we've done. That's the fastest I've heard. And I think that's the first one I ripped on the show. It's the. It's the 20, 23. Sheesh. Insert WEMBY rookie PSA 10 at the time. There's no way. We've never pulled a good card while we. Well, it wasn't. It was only worth like 40 bucks. I think it was a hundred dollar pack. Now I think it's worth like 150ish. Oh, that's the only WIMBY I still currently possess and I will be selling that next time I'm live. Okay, so that's it. Quick update. I'm selling. I understand you. Some guys think he's going to be amazing. The other thing, really quick. Sga. Hey, here's it. I just wanted. I just want to go ahead and say this. Please. You don't have to be. Really quick. We have time. I want to get out. No, I'm out of here. Well, we have a guest coming on in five minutes, so I mean like we at least have to wait 10 minutes after that. Okay. Yeah. Luke from Cards Are, who I bought a couple of those cards from. As a matter of fact, the other thing I was gonna say sga. You don't have to like him. I made that little clip and people. Oh, he flops. He does this. I hate watching him. I think SGA's is miserable to watch that brand of basketball, the flopping and flailing. I wish they would assess technicals when guys outright like they do in hockey. If you. If you flop in hockey. Yeah, I forget what. It's called embellishment. You get a penalty for it. Oh, I think you should. That's a thing. Yes, of course. Why don't we do that? Well, here's what I'm saying though. Instead of a penalty, you should be. Somebody should be allowed to elbow you in the ribs. In basketball, if you flop, Wemby should use that bony alien elbow and fricking clock him. Do you think he likes to be called an alien? Do you think he's okay with it? I've never talked to him. I have no idea. Oh, I just assume again, take out the hatred. Though. SGA has not turned 28 yet, he has two MVPs, a championship, a champion and a Finals MVP. You could argue he is a top 20 resume in the history of basketball. Already it's ridiculous. 16 people ever have multiple MVPs. Okay. Two of those people, Carl Malone, Steve Nash, don't have a championship already. He has accomplished more than almost anybody who has ever played the game. He's not 28. I don't care that people don't like him. I don't either. Flip side of that is he's going to go down as an all time great if he continues. It's not even close. If he gets another ring in a championship, an mvp, which again, why would you not think he would? You're talking like three and two. A handful of guys ever have that. Yeah. Conversely, people hate his brand of basketball so much, it will not be this guy who, despite what he does, he's never going to be this guy who has a crazy, crazy hobby value. Do you compare to other people? Do you think about what happens though if they do win another championship. And granted, people may not love him, but small growth, sure. But what about the. If OKC becomes a dynasty. Sure. Then all of a sudden still a real years down the line, 20 years down the line. What if it becomes more of a market that more and more people gravitate towards the market. It's him. Well, I know. Same as Kareem, but I mean, Kareem. But if he stayed exactly where he was in likability. If everything around him in OKC starts rising, he's going to rise too some. But he's never going to be the LUCA level that Luca will get to if he wins championships. He'll never be the Curry level. Those are guys people imitate. Never going to be on that level. Even Wemby. Wemby's like a freak. Ohtani Ish in terms of playing style. We just don't see it. He's always going to have a ceiling on him. It'll be very, very high because he's probably the best player in the world besides Jokic right now. But there's always going to be a cap. The only thing I think of is when you start dealing with people who have brands built around them, then all of a sudden you have marketing and PR people who get involved and they try and rehabilitate your image and they say, hey, could you do this and do that? Be more outgoing, more friendly. And then all of a sudden, yeah, he was the guy that everyone hated and now He's. Oh, he's Mr. Darling. Well, that's. That's different though. You're talking about off court. Like if you're. He doesn't have a bad Image off court though, people don't like how he plays. And, and a huge amount of his scoring comes at the free throw line. If he changed that, he's just not the best player in the game anymore. I think he led the league in free throw attempts per game. So it's not like, hey, go donate to a charity because you hit a dog like Michael Vick back in there. You were terrible to an animal. Like, go re. Like Michael Vick was able to try to rehab his, his off field image. It's not an off court image. It's the style of basketball he plays. Okay. All right. But I wasn't there also the conversation that there. It wasn't just style. It was also. He didn't seem that likable. I thought that was just boring. He's kind of quiet. Okay. But it's mostly just people like watch ESPN the amount and watch like Twitter talking about it. The amount of people are just like, this is miserable to watch. It is, it's. It's. I will agree. I hate that. I do hate anybody who flops all the time. What about. So as far as like we're talking about if someone flopsy gets an elbow in the ribs. Yes. Can we talk about like traveling? Is that ever going to be a thing? Like just. This is not a card thing. I just have a problem with it. Like, no, the ship is sailed. You can do step throughs and a gather step. You can take 94. If you allowed Larry Bird and Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan to take 18 steps, they would have averaged 50 points back then. Yeah. I mean, that's ridiculous. It is. Okay. I do like the spurs though, because they're one of the few teams I feel like play team basketball. Oh, that's actually feel like that about the Knicks. I hate watching Brunson. He's kind of a flailer. He whips his head back. But they actually play pretty good team ball. So the fact that they are 2 and 2, OKC and Spurs. What do we. What are we thinking? I still think OKC wins the series. Yeah, I hope they don't. I'm rooting for the Spurs. I think OKC wins and I still think whoever wins that series wins a championship in five, maybe six games. I. I am at this point. This is. I was. I didn't care about last year's finals. This year's is definitely going to be much more interesting depending on. I don't even remember who made it from the east last year. No, I, I remember Brandon who, who did OKC beat Last year, I wanted to watch, but it just wasn't interesting. I couldn't even force myself to get into it. This is pathetic. I don't even remember who they played. Okay, see, obviously, yeah, was the winner, but. Okay, we're moving on. Brandon's dead. Luke is here. Lucas from Cards Are. I want to have him on to kind of share his story. We've both met Luke, and he's got a cool story. Just built a shop out. Like, it's a massive shop now, so why don't we add him in and we'll go from there? So we have now got Luke from Card Czar up in New England. What? Tell us more about this. No, no, you tell us. I told you where he's from twice. You said New Hampshire. Thank you. What city? Oh, I'll give you a hint. Dad lived here. Not far from Nashua. Salem. Closer. Oh, Manchester. Oh, man. It's in between Salem and Manchester City. Exit 5 off 93. Does that help you? Exit 5? Oh, you. Are you kidding me? In Moose Hall County. London. Londonderry. There it is. There you go. As long as you don't say dairy, that's all that matters. Dairy's for the trash down south of Londonderry. Wait, you don't just say. People just say dairy. Well, dairy's another city. There's London Dairy, and there's Dairy. Well, Londonderry is obviously my favorite place to go to a card shop in New Hampshire, and that's where you're going to find the Cards Are. Luke, how the heck are you, man? Thanks for joining. What an intro. Thank you for having me, guys. No, I'm. I'm pumped to be here. We're doing great. We're. We're busy. It's Memorial Day weekend. We've been doing sales all weekend, so it's been absolutely slammed. But I made sure I made time for my boys, Mike and Jesse, for obvious reasons. What a wow. Hey, we want to get into it because we want to be out of here in about seven minutes so we can get our cookout. Yeah. Luke, I wanted to have you on. I met Luke at a spur of the moment. Just popped up to the family vacation last year for the family reunion. Been to the shop a few times now. It's awesome. I do want to get back, though. We've done this with a few people, and I think the audience actually enjoys it. Can you kind of give us your elevator pitch? Just like a quick backstory, and then we'll dive in. How did you find yourself in this hobby As a professional like this, it was one of those things where I just, I always wanted to kind of find my own way business wise. Have a lot of entrepreneurship qualities to myself, I think. And this was one of those things where I've been passionate about this hobby for almost, you know, 35 years now. I ripped my first pack of cards when I was six. I'm now a young 41. And so in my four decades on this earth, I spent most of my time collecting cards. And once, you know, I got past college and grad school, buying a house, it's like, okay, where am I going to spend my disposable income? And then it turned into cards. And then, you know, next thing you know is like, wait a minute, I can make a few bucks doing this. So went from just, you know, doing online breaks, having our website, trying to sell singles like Comp C to realizing that wasn't going to work out. And then, you know, during COVID we were lucky enough to have a distributor account with GTS and Tops eventually and we decided to just kind of take the plunge. You know, I have another full time job, own another business. So this was something where we needed somebody to kind of run the store on a day to day basis. And we found our guy, Phil, and here we are, you know, three years later. Luke, do you think you would have started the business had you not had a full time job at the same time? Because I hear a lot of people are like, you know, I started this while also doing that. And I'm just curious because I think there's a lot of people who wish they were in the exact same shoes that you're in now, right? I mean, it's a good question. I think that, you know, maybe eventually I would have been working somewhere else and if I could turn this into a full time gig. Absolutely. My, my situation is, is pretty flexible with my other business. So I'm able to do both for now while having two young kids and a wife, two businesses, two kids and a wife, it's a lot. But I do think eventually I probably would have found my way if I was working a 9 to 5 at some job. I just had no, you know, no skin in the game. I definitely could see myself doing this full time for sure. When did you open up the first shop too? Because you guys started in a smaller shop next to a pizza place, by the way. That's why New England is better in some ways. In Nashville, not many. I would never go back home. But this pizza joint, like not even that nice of people. Kind of a hole in the wall. Phenomenal Pizza doesn't matter by the slice, by the way. Oh, when did you open up the first shop? March 1, 2023. So we were there for about two and a half years and then we. That was 1100 square foot shop, about 800 square feet of floor space. The 300 other square feet was our, our shipping department, it was our, our kitchenette, it was our business office, it was our streaming office. So we had everything really, you know, clustered and congested together. And obviously, you know, we could only fit so many people in the store. So after two and a half years, we decided to, to make the jump and expand into our brand new spot. We moved here in October of 2025 and the new space is about 3,000 square feet. And we quickly almost ran out of room here as well. So we're in the process of building another. Another 1500 square feet which is gonna be all Pokemon non sports TCG as well. So 4, 500ft lazy contract over taking siestas in the morning at freaking Londonderry. Hey, another question. Well, Adam was not the GCA just to be. What was the guy's name? I don't remember. Oh, Adam was the guy we met. Adam's great guy. Just kidding. Adam's good. Okay. Shout out, Shout out. Journey and woodworking. He does amazing work. Amazing work. If he doesn't give you a discount for that. Not what he said. Not what he said. We've had discussions, we have negotiations for sure. You know, we, it's a little trade off. You know, we help out with some of his back end business stuff and he, you know, makes us look far more prestigious than we actually are. And then we get a little kickback for that. Kickback. And then there's kickbacks on that back. Yeah, ipso facto. Yeah, exactly. We'll do the math. We'll figure out the math later. That's fine. We'll get an invoice later. I am curious then, like you've done this twice now, your new shop, by the way, I told Jesse privately, and me and Russ, my brother, who's local there, have talked about it, the new shop is phenomenal. But I am curious from somebody who's built out too now, kind of, what is your check? Like, what is your requirements for. Hey, this is a good shop. In your opinion. The biggest thing is you want to sit down and hang out like that. That's the key to me is like when we, when we thought of how we wanted our space to be, it was Something where people are comfortable. Like so if a mom shows up with her 10 year old kid on a Saturday, a rainy Saturday afternoon, they have nothing to do. The mom can post up on the couch, you know, doom, scroll on Instagram for the next two hours while their kids are spending 50, 60 bucks or something like that. You know, we want it to be a welcoming environment. We've hosted a lot of events here as well, so we can fit a lot of people here. We've had over 150 people in here for trade nights, for hobby rip nights. And you know, that's just important to us is we want it to be a comfortable environment that doesn't smell. You know, the pizza place is great next door, but you know, on a hot summer day, you know, as the old pizza smell kind of gets to you. And also at our old space, you know, you had one couch, that's it. So here we have a full lounge with four big screen TVs, a PlayStation, 20 foot tray table where you take your box of value cards, put them on the table and just peruse there for an hour, two hours. Like it's a great place to escape like for me when I want to get away from the day to day, like stresses of day to day life. Like just going through five row of cards to try to find that one Jerry Stackhouse card. I don't have, you know, that, that's, that's my joy. And we want to bring that to the people here in Londonderry and it's a great community for that. And I think we've done that. Can I ask you this? What are you doing as far as marketing? Do you have to do any marketing? Is it just a matter of word of mouth or do you guys have to put the word out? The biggest thing is social media. We hired a full time social media guy. I was, you know, messing around with it on my phone for a while. But we have a true full time social media guy, a part time social media guy who, you know, they chronicle the day to days of a card shop. You know, I mean every day is a new day at the card store. There's a, every day there's another hit or there's another, you know, buried treasure that we find or another box that we ripped. So you know, just really staying consistent and focusing on that is, has been huge for us. We've, in the past year we've probably doubled our Instagram following just from consistent good content. Our Facebook following's gone up like 200%. So. And we're Also seeing it, too. People come in and they'll say, hey, I saw this on Facebook, or I saw this on Instagram. Do you still have it? Or, you know, we create conversations. Like, we'll talk about values of a card, and they'll say, well, we saw that on Instagram, and I disagree with you, and here's why, which is awesome. So let's have some. Let's have that conversation. So really, it's. It's been just consistent. Social media content has really driven a lot of the people at the store. And it's not paid content either. I think, as you guys know, you know, when you see a paid ad, you kind of scroll through it. If it's an engaging video, an engaging ad, you're going to get that engagement. Go figure, right? So, and then we'll do, you know, here and there. Like, we get involved with Little League. We get involved with. They're doing Restore the Rex here. It's a basketball court in the area that hasn't been fixed since I was in middle school. And again, this is my hometown of Londonderry, so being able to do that and give back to my hometown has been a lot of fun. Hey, is a court still there off Mammoth Road behind the old fire station? That's right. That's it. Restore the Rex. So those are the ones getting restored that. Yeah, that court has not been fixed up in almost 30 years. And a group from Londonderry did, you know, did a whole campaign to. To restore the wrecks. So we have brand new hoops going in there, brand new benches, brand new court. It's gonna be super exciting, and I think it's that June 5th is the. The initial. The kickoff date of that, so we'll be taking part of that as well. I'll tell you right now, the calf is healthy. I was a young pup back then. That's when I was still running men's league. 20 years old, back there, dominate. That's why they're restoring it. They said you were dunking. That's when I was living above the rims. Living above the rim back. Dad would get bombed at the VFW and I would go behind there and play basketball. Yep. Fun fact. Here we go. Jeff. Jeff. Blake Lacy's husband and I used to play basketball there. What year are we talking? Give me a. Give me a range. When you guys are playing 02 through 06, there's some overlap. There's some overlap. You guys could have played each other. Don't even know it. So I know that you can't remember his name. So the way you're gonna remember his name from now on. I know. 1995 Pro bowl quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals, Jeff Blake. Yep. One of the best deep ball throwers in the league at the time. Jeff. I didn't know the roommate, but I didn't know the 1995 football player. Sure, of course you did. We were roommates. Roommates for two years. Grew up together. Playing, you know, playing basketball. Going, watching. Watching the Celtics, that 0102 Celtics team that kept on losing to the Nets. You know, a lot of core memories watching that at his house. So the connection that we have was. Was hilarious when. When we figured that one out. This is karma. Is that the right. What did you do? You. Oh, you meant Dharma. Hey, Initiative, by the way, to your question. I just want to expand this a little bit because something was happening. We were there last. I forget what day came in. Friday, Saturday. I don't remember Saturday. Saturday. It was a Saturday. I was there last. You were there. I was there last Saturday. The other thing it seems like you guys are doing, there was a bunch of Fisher Cats there. So the Fisher Cats are the. Is that the. What is that? Oh, double A for the Blue Jays. Double A for the Blue Jays. You had, like, a bunch of the athletes coming in. You were talking. It does seem like you guys get involved in a ton of other, like, local activities like that too, right? Yeah, we're trying to, you know, we. We've known a bunch of the. The athletes from the Fisher Cats. They've come over. A lot of them have, you know, moved on to retirement or moved on to AAA or moved on to the big league. So, you know, we're definitely getting. So those guys were chasing their. Their cards out of the brand new Bowman. So we definitely want to do some sort of, you know, them create some content, have them come in, chase their super fractor, chase their autographs, you know, and if they hit their base card, sign it, give it to some kids or something like that. So, you know, we're always, you know, being in New Hampshire, one of the challenges we have is where we're located. You know, we're not going to get, you know, Peyton Pritchard to come by. We're not going to get Jason Tatum, but, you know, we'll be able to get guys, you know, local in Manchester, which. Which is still a pretty cool draw. There's definitely a lot of. A lot of older athletes who live in the area, retired athletes that we've been talking to as well, to Try to get them in because we now finally have a space for, you know, to host them. We have Brian Scalabrini come up to Hobby Rip night a few years ago at the local brewery. That was really cool. That was fun. So, you know, I was trying to be creative with different ideas to, to engage the community, have them come by and you know, this is more than cards. So speaking of different ideas, now that I could be off on this, but my memory is telling me that when we were talking you, we were asking if you guys do much breaking and was it you guys that do this idea where you're opening up a box of cards online and then you're selling the singles as opposed to just like selling the spots and a break? Yeah. So that's more just to cure the itch of my wanting to rip. We'll open up a hobby box. We did this with Chrome, we did this with Bowman Basketball. And either we'll auction off the, the pack itself and whatever comes out, comes out, or we'll open the pack and we'll say, all right guys, we hit this. You know, women. Yamada 99. We'll start at a buck. That worked out well for us when we hit the ultraviolet LeBron James out of top scrolling basketball. So that was pretty cool. But we've also done that before where somebody hit a gold Derrick Henry downtown out of a 25 pack of cards. So it's, it's something that, it's a little bit different than breaking. Breaking is. Listen, I love breaking. We, that's how we started. I think there's a lot of value in this hobby to breaking. I get why people kind of poo poo it, but I do think it's a good way to enter the hobby and learn about the product. But we just don't. Right now we're so busy and that's just a different business model that we don't really have the time or the manpower to break. So I still want to get out in front of it. I still want to get all these brand new releases into people's hands because, you know, being a Tops Direct account will get, you know, four cases of Bowman Basketball. And I want to make sure my customers can get their hands on it and not pay, you know, full sticker for a hobby box. Yeah. So we set aside a certain amount for the bigger product and it's been great. I mean, it gets. And I think Topps likes it too, because day one of release these, these customers are getting the actual cards in their hands. Yeah, well, and that's the thing when I remember when, as we talked, I was like, I feel like you've got to be one of the few people that's not fully focused on breaking right now when you actually, I mean, you could probably argue you would make more, in some cases breaking some of that product. But because of your focus on the shop and the local community, you are making sure the kids and the people who actually care about the cards, not the stranger online is getting those cards. I think that's really cool and I think it's to be commended. Thank you. Yeah, even, even all that stuff too. Like, you know, we'll put that stuff in our dollar boxes. We have a huge, you know, 30ft out there of all dollar boxes split up by team, by sport. You know, it's frustrating when all of a sud. You spend hours organizing it, then one kid comes in and messes everything up. But that's par for the course. But it's, it's cool to say. We had a customer looking for Yankees cards. They said, okay, we'll just go right there. We have a whole, you know, 200 card row of Yankees cards. Go, go, go. Pick away. And like, that's what going back to, like, you know what I enjoy? I enjoy perusing through those, those value boxes and looking for the hidden gems or looking for the card I already have five times over. But, like, I'll collect the Fleer 95, 96 Jerry Stackhouse rookie card because it' and that's what we want to do here. We want to make sure, you know, kids. And the best part too is kids walk up with $30 worth of cards and we're not going to charge them 30 bucks. You know, we'll put a stack together and we'll figure it out. And a lot of times these kids walk out of here with free cards. And that's, that's, that's the stuff that like, again, being in my hometown, like, the legacy I want to build is in 20, 30 years, people say, I remember going to cards are, it was an absolute blast. You know, the owner, the employees that gave me this, they gave me that. And, and you know, that's, that's how you get people into the hobby and enjoy the hobby. And it is truly something I'm passionate. It's been a lot of fun. Very cool. Hey, I want to dig into just the operations a little bit. What. Because you said your TOPS direct account, what would you say, best guess, month over month is your split of wax compared to single sales. If you had to put a Percentage on it. Do you repeat that again? My WI Fi pooped its pants real quick. That's so good. Thank you for saying something like that. You're welcome. Yeah. Oh, you meant him. Breakdown like you make X amount of dollars in a month. What is the breakdown in revenue of your of wax sales compared to single sales? I would say wax definitely leads the charge. It's probably like 60, 40, which I think is, is a lot closer than most stores. Reason why I say that is because we, we want to make sure when you walk in the door you're blown away by our, our inventory or our collection if you want to call it. So we have a ton of singles. I mean people come in here all the time. We're buying every single day. And so I want to build up a huge library of singles for people to look at because again, I want them to walk through the door and just like look up up and enjoy spending 15, 20 minutes just looking at the product we have. So yeah, I would say about 60, 40, but we do a lot of wax. You know, obviously again being a tops MVP direct account, we get all the new products, you know, we have. I'm looking forward to getting Dynasty baseball in a few weeks here. Chrome was crazy and yeah, we get it all here. I will say some of the best looking showcases you've ever seen. You walk in, they're like, I don't know, waist level, like up to the ceiling, just like the entire wall when you walk. That's where I bought like I bought that Grant Hill 101. I bought the, oh the Dylan Harper that I sold while he was injured like an idiot. And I bought a nice MJ slab. But yeah, I do like that because like I said, there's nothing worse to me than when you walk in, there's no singles. I like singles. Is there a big community of people coming in to try and buy, sell like as far as like singles go? Not just trying to get wax? Yeah, no, I mean we have having this trade nights where we have 100 plus people here. I mean those, those are repeat customers all the time. They come in, they want to get ca or they want to trade towards a hobby box or they want to trade towards, you know, color up towards a bigger card. We do that all the time. Being 20 minutes away from the Massachusetts border is huge for us too. Tax free New Hampshire. Live free or die. Gotta love that. So that attracts a lot of people up here because off the rip, you know, you're saving 7% just by coming to cards are so yeah, we, we have a huge amount, I would say, and we've become known as a destination for people to come knowing they're going to get cashed out and we're going to be fair about it. We have a pretty transparent, you know, method on when we buy or trade. We, we walk through every single card with our, with our customers. So, you know, there's no hidden agenda. We look at recent comps and we justify our value of the card as well. Because, you know, if there's five comps and there's two outliers, one outlier, you know, we want to bring that up so they're educated as well, and not every deal gets done, you know, but again, we, we know what we have to value it at, and we try to be fair. As fair as possible. Nice. And so last question for me, just kind of big picture and stepping away from the card shop, you know, there's been a lot of talk from some people, hey, we're in a bubble, or, hey, prices are, are going crazy, which obviously you've been around long enough to see. The COVID bubble, I was breaking before that, during that, now after that, I have kind. And me and Jesse have talked about this. I am of the thought now, I don't think it's a bubble so much as it's an aggressive uptick. Call it whatever you want, but my thinking is, man, I'm just going to throw everything I've kind of got into it. Do you see what's happening now and think, hey, now's the time to kind of hold, hold steady? We're throwing more into it. We're being cautious. Like, what is your mindset as somebody who's obviously financially vested in this? What is your forecast or outlook for the next one to two years? I guess, you know, I thought that it's funny how when you bring up pricing, right? I mean, everybody's freaking out about the price of Topps, Chrome or Bowman and all that. It's like, where was this when Prism Football was at a thousand bucks a pop, too? Sure. You know, nothing's really changed in that regard. I think the difference is, is we're seeing Tops marketing it a lot more, so it's in more people's faces. But when it comes to, like, the bubble per se, I don't know. I've been, I've been waiting for that bubble to burst for the last three to four years. But it seems like more and more, more and more money is getting introduced into the hobby, whether it's, you know, stores like Us opening up and expanding or Mr. Wonderful's, you know, toting his, his brand new million dollar purchase on a chain, you know, and everything else in between. So I just think that more and more people continue to enter the hobby because it's becoming so mainstream that I don't really see anything changing for the next few years Now. I do think Tops is going to probably learn what has worked and what hasn't worked because, Mike, as you know, a lot of people getting into the hobby or a lot of people in the hobby right now have never seen Tops Chrome football. I've never seen Tops Chrome basketball because they only know the Panini days. So I think educating those people and, you know, letting them know, hey, rock stars was a really big insert back in 1990, 97. That's why they brought it back. We've had a lot of conversations like that. Yeah. You know, talking to them about different case hits, the different parallels, I think that's, that's really important is, is consumer education. As long as I think Tops is really trying to do a good job of that. But the problem is, is, you know, in this hobby, anytime there's something new, everybody, the first reaction is, well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna crap on it. You know, I mean, like, and, and I, I hate that. That's the one thing I hate about this hobby is nobody likes change, change. So I'm hoping that, you know, people will see the light. And I can say this with all full transparency, like, this is not, I'm not on Tops's payroll saying this. I think Tops has done so much for this hobby that like, you know, Panini didn't do when they were king for the longest time. The MVP buyback, I think, has been one of the more interesting things in the hobby because I don't know why they're doing it, but it's bringing people into the stores. It's, it's letting somebody turn a Matthew Stafford base card that used to be worth 25 cents into 20 bucks. Like, I think that's a lot of like revolutionary stuff that's going on right now. And I'm super excited for that. You know, obviously you were at, you guys were at the, the summit, so you saw all the new stuff coming up. I think as long as they kind of keep on going steady as we go, it could be great. It really could be great. So I'm, I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, that's kind of why I wanted to have you on too. Like, I mean, Me and Jesse met you. We like you. Like, that's. That's great. But I. I just like the story, too. So often it's like, oh, well, my local card shops closing or they don't have allocation. These guys are losing their business. It's like, that. That is true in some aspects, but there's also a lot of guys doing, like, what you're doing. Like, hey, we're gonna throw a ton of time and effort and time that could be with my family. I'm gonna build out this business and invest in it. And I do. Like, that's kind of been my warning to our audience the last couple years. Like, hey, instead of being one of these guys, like, hey, the end is coming. The end is coming. Like, you could do some. If you started that three years ago, you could do something pretty freaking awesome instead of just being one of these doomsday guys. So I like the fact you're kind of throwing her in. You're all in on this thing. I think it's pretty awesome. So I. I look at, like, be the change you want to see in this world. Right. Like, for me, it's like, I wanted to build something again where we can come in and just enjoy ourselves and hang out. It just so happens to be. That's part of Tops's, you know, hobby shop 2.0 that they want to see. Sure. And we take their expertise and build it into what works for us. We're not going to do everything Top says. I mean, we can't. But we can do what we will think will work for us and help build our business. And we've done that so far, and it's worked. Knock on wood. You know, we're going to keep on building it the way we have been. We're running out of room. We really can't expand unless we kick the salon out next door to us. But, you know, for now, we're just going to kind of keep on doing what we're doing, and hopefully this continues to be a positive venture, because the moment it's not fun, like, I don't. I don't want to do this anymore. You know, this is. This is something where I don't want it to ruin my hobby, ruin my passion. And. And so far, that hasn't happened. It's been realistically, you know, almost eight years. We've been some sort of business. Nice. One last question for me. Look, favorite pizza topping. It's funny. I go with. I'm actually. You're gonna make fun of me for this one, Jesse. But I am a. I enjoy vegetables on my pizza. I am a green pepper, red pepper with. With ricotta pizza. Give me that. Wow. Yeah. If you want to throw in some sausage, I'm good with that. I'm totally good with that. But, like, hot cards are. But, you know, when. When Jeff and I lived in the north end in Boston, we. We definitely sampled plenty of great people down there. Sure. There's no, there's. Listen, how about this? Just don't put fruit on my pizza. No fruit, no anchovies. We're good. But here's the deal. Don't. You cannot judge fruit. If I want to put pineapple, you have a freaking salad on your pizza. You're not throwing stones. Sweet and salty, baby. What's wrong with a little pineapple? Little ham? When's the last time OSHA visited card czar? Oh, you're not going to do everything top says. Excuse me, Ruben, We've got a code red on our hands. Cancel card Zar. Code red. Jack Nichols. Guys, it was a fun ride. What can I say? Hey, Luke, cards are. Make sure you check them out. If you're anywhere in the Londonderry, New Hampshire area. Great basketball down the road and a great card shop. Bam. Thank you, sir. Phenomenal, guys. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate everything you guys do for the hobby as well. You guys been killing it for years and just keep on doing it. Awesome. Thanks, man. We'll catch you up real soon. See ya. Well, there you go. My buddy Luke gave me a heck of a deal, by the way, when I was there last week. I didn't realize till I look, I thought he took 50 bucks off my purchase. Took 150 bucks off purchase. The purchase. Russell's like, that was really nice. I was like, yeah, 50 bucks was cool. He's like, it was 150 bucks. I thought, okay, even better. Dang, son. There you go. Yeah, like, I like the business behind the hobby, like, like, type thing. I think it's kind of cool. Did you know, I was thinking during that you getting a deal at this card show? I talked to somebody who came up to the table at the card show this weekend and they said, yeah, I ran into Luke or I ran into Mike before and got him some cards. I gave him this Batman card to give to you. And did you like that card and this and that. I'm like, batman card, Batman card, huh? Don't remember getting that card. How often would you say you get something that someone says, give that to Jesse. And Jesse never sees three Times a week. Okay. A Batman card. It was a 1966 Batman. No, the red one. I know that card. Well, I don't think it was the actual Batman. I think it was like another. I think it was like Robin or something from it. But it was a card. And I was like, I. I didn't say I was. I didn't just flat out say, oh, Mike definitely kept that card. But I was thinking to myself, I can guarantee I didn't keep it. I made a left there, sold it to somebody else. But I've never sold a Batman card. There's. There's. You don't think you've sold a Batman card, like, in 1966? Really? Okay. I was trying to think if I had one up on this wall. I do have the one in the middle, but not any other. It looks like that one in the middle, though. It would be that style. It would be a style like that. Gave it to me at the show because I wasn't. I wasn't there. They were like, can you give that to Jesse? And when they. They're saying at the last show, I don't know what show, I don't know if they gave it. I'll look. I actually have a box in my closet because we get a lot of that Jesse box. The stuff I've never given. Most of it I sell, obviously. Obviously, yeah. I will look for it, though. Okay. Nobody. I don't remember it, but I'm not gonna call the guy a liar. I don't know who it is. He's a liar. He's definitely a lot. You never know which. You know what, As I asked, give your own stuff to Jesse. I don't want your crap. I give your stuff to you when they give me something for you and to your dad into this. I'm just saying, when people give me things to give to others, I don't bring my father into this. I'm not bringing your dad into this. No one's ever given my dad a card, but I don't think my dad right now. Get that guy evicted by the end of the show. My dad alone. Throw stones. We'll throw stones, baby. What's your favorite pizza topping? Pederoni. I like just regular cheese. Pederoni. That's how Theo says it now. Yeah, he says pederoni. I was like, hey, you want pizza Petaroni? Oh, God, that's pretty cute. I'm just a straight cheese guy, Portnoy style. Give me a thin crust cheese that is well cooked. Okay. Traditional. Not even thinner. It's just like a traditional. Yeah. Boston style. Thin. Yeah. Over well done. Style is thin. Yeah. Like Regina is like a thinner style. What's Regina Pizzeria. Regina is like the most famous place in Boston for pizza. Oh, you mean Regina. All right, we want to wrap up. Are we good walk right now? That's it. We have a little ebay stuff. We both at our ebay live shows last night. We both are commenting, but somebody from ebay is listening. I would like to know if you are hearing this from other sellers. The audience size is definitely smaller lately than it's been. I was curious what people. What the ebay execs think about that. I think the. I think yesterday being Sunday before Memorial Day, I feel like that one has to kind of be held aside. The show before it was smaller though. So it's like maybe let's. I want to test next Sunday and see. But of course I won't be on next Sunday, so I can't say. Oh, yeah, no. So that's my. And that is my issue, the consistency. I've been missing quite a few, so this will be the first show I've missed. I hate to say, but. Yeah, but it was a great show. I will say we did biggest show we've had. I think we did somewhere. It was around 13,000, give or take. Really? Yeah. I mean, Disney is big, baby. It is big in booming. But honestly, it was a show where I'm like, I kind of thought there'd be more, but again, holiday weekend. So I'm not gonna complain though. It was a lot of fun no matter what. Funko was dressed up as a hot dog at one point. So you would have really? You're both in that small closet of yours too, together. I mean, it's enough to fit two. No, it's not. Kind of. That's disgusting. I mean, he sat on my lap. Lap. And I just was over. No, too far. I'm good. Yeah. I'm gonna do Wednesday night this week. We're not doing Sunday. Wednesday night. We have top signature football, Top signature basketball releasing. I'm just gonna tell you now, if you want personal boxes or cases of that, I will be blowing them out. We're leaving town Thursday morning, so it's got to go that night. I don't want to. When I come back. Don't forget, we have the pod early on Thursday. Didn't forget. 9:00am Central. 9:00am Central. Yep, I'm there. I will say if you are still in the market for any of the selling cards, if you are trying to move cards in this market, I should say there is not a simpler tool than Haystack. I cannot express that enough. It is something where I could go into more detail. I've already said my daughter does it and she's 12 years old. But if it's not just the ease of use, it's once that's done, once the picture's done and it's uploaded, it's the AI that makes it where I don't have to click anything but like, next. Oh, yep. That's exactly what the card is next. That. That's exactly the card next. So it saves time. It's super easy. Haystack Tech, if you want to go check out the site. Tech. Yeah. Oh, yeah, baby. We're. We're way beyond calm. We are way beyond calm. By the way, back circling back to that ebay thing I talked about at the beginning of the show. You don't just go to ebay.com and then ebay.uk it's ebay.co.uk took me a second to figure out why I wasn't going to the eBay UK website, but it isn't. I definitely recommend, if people have never checked out eBay UK and eBay Germany sites. Very interesting to see what card deals you can find out there. I'm probably blowing up some people's spots by just saying it, but it is. There's definitely deals to be had. I think we ended right there. I got nothing else, so that's fine with me. We'll be back Thursday, no guest, then next week with people. Ooh, no guests and people. Exactly. Goodbye.