Booked to Last: Wrestling Card Hot Takes

Welcome back to another episode of Book to Last, the official wrestling card podcast here on the Stacking Slabs Network hosted by my good friends Adam at WWE Gelman and Ryan at RBI Cruise 7. Shout out RBI Cruise 7 for sponsoring book to Last, the biggest, baddest, best place to buy your wrestling singles and hobby boxes. Do that@rbi crew7.com Fun one here today from the lads. Big wrestling weekend. Lot of shows going on. I'm fired up man. I am going to watch as much of everything as I possibly can across all promotions. There is a lot of action going on in today's episode. Ryan and Adam get some hot takes from the wrestling card community and respond to them and there is a spiciness scale to it. So really fun one in store for all of you and just have to shout you all out. So passionate stuff. So engaged and this has been so fun to watch Take shape. Booked to last. And if you are going to be at the national make sure you RSVP for wrestling card takeover. Friday, July 31st NBC Suites. 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I have returned from a weekend getaway up in Adams area in Minnesota. How you doing Adam? It was fun seeing you man. It was fun seeing you. It was. It was great seeing you man. I mean for. For the time you and your boys were there. I had my. I think Parker was just there the time you were there. But when a whole family trip. But it was good to see you is you won a little hockey box that had me rip and Bring back. So, yeah, it was. It was like, first of all, shout out to Josh and the guys at Minnesota Sports Cards. MN Sports Cards. Like, that shop is awesome. First of all, they did a tremendous job. My kids had a great time. Ripped a bunch of Pokemon, ripped some wrestling, all sorts of stuff. Parker hit some nice stuff, like shocker there. I know. Shocker of all shocks. Yes. Yeah. But, yeah, they had a good time. We were there for a couple of hours. Got to hang out with Ryan and the crew. My kids all walked away with something fun. So, uh, if you're in the Minnesota area, be sure to check it out. It's out probably about an hour away from the airport, but it's a. It's a great shop. Yeah. Monticello, Minnesota, phenomenal shop. They built it from the ground up. You can't miss it. It's right off the highway. You could see it in front of a Target and Home Depot. Prime location, beautiful. Everything's brand new. They brought in three Vikings players. Cashman, Will Rikerd, and they brought in Metellos. Yeah, Mattelis. Mattelis was also, by the way, Mattelis huge wrestling fan. Talked 20 minutes in the back. Josh started talking. They started talking wrestling. I was on the. For Parker, and I guess they got a conversation. He said, well, who's your favorite wrestler of all time? Mattelis goes. My two favorites are HBK and Randy Orton. Josh goes w. And get over here. And he's also a big Seth Rollins fan. So him and I just shot it for 20 minutes. Really cool chat with him. He was awesome. Came over, brought Parker in there to talk to him. And. And again, they. All the athletes were great. Outstanding job. So it was. That's why we were up there for the grand opening. Glad we got to do it. And I got to spend a little time with Adam and his boys. Yeah, they. They have a. They had a ton of wrestling stuff. So we ripped some cosmic. Ripped some sapphire ripped. I mean, it was. It was a good time. But yeah, I mean, like, the. The local card shop experience has definitely evolved. I mean, it's no longer these, like, you know, the ones that you kind of started off in, which is like in the strip mall with like maybe a 10. 10ft of square of square footage that you can. This. This. This is massive. Sprawling. Your new shop is. Is massive and sprawling, which is awesome. Lot of room to walk around and trade and sit down and do a bunch of stuff. It was great. Yeah. Comfortability, clean. Everything like that. That's what shop should be aiming towards now, if you can do it. You can afford it. It's huge. It's huge to do events like that where you get people in your store in, like, event like where you have Randy Horton, you have four people in your shop and you still have space, which was. Which was nice. So it was great, man. It was a good time. It was a lot of fun. All right, let's get into the opening pyro. I've got a really fun show for us. We'll do the opening pyro. Got a new segment here. We'll try. I'm curious how it's gonna work out. It's a little crazy, but let's start with what we saw on tv. And there's been a lot of stuff I want to like. Our favorite subject over the last couple of weeks has been King of the Ring and Queen of the Ring. I'm glad I missed one of these conversations one week. I don't know if I can continue to do this and beat the dead horse on this, but let's go. Yeah, we'll. We'll just touch on it briefly because there's really not much else that we can say. Maybe make some predictions. But the finals are Obafemi and Jay USO versus and then the men's on the men's side and then the women's side. It's Liv and IO I. I'm. Nothing has changed in my mind about the stupidity of this. There's really not much to go into there. I'm sure you feel the same way. Yeah, we know we kind of expect the outcomes. I think we've watched wrestling long enough and we kind of feel what's coming, but. Yeah. Yeah. So as of right now, the betting favorites. I'm sorry if this is going to be a spoiler, but it's probably happened by the time you're listening to this because it's going to be in Saudi Arabia. So It'll be like 11am on Saturday and this will be out well ahead of that. So the betting favorite is J uso by a very thin margin. And then EOS guy by a thin margin. The predictions that have been made are that they're going to do J uso versus somebody that's not Roman Reigns. And then EO is going to get herself mixed up and they're like, I don't know what's going to happen because all of these outcomes are bad. So I would. I think one of the takes that I sort of like thought up on the fly was like, what if Gunther beats Cody Rhodes in The triple threat match that's happening at night of championship and then Jay beats Oba because Brock interferes. And they do a rematch of Jay and Gunther from WrestleMania 41. And this time Gunther is going to win. I don't think Jay ends up with a title here. I don't think Obafemi ends up with the title here if he wins. I think they're keeping the champions as they are. Either will be Cody Rhodes going on to main event SummerSlam or be one of the main events of SummerSlam. And I think Roman Reigns is keeping the belt for the foreseeable future. So even if Obafemi wins, he's going to go and face Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar will then interfere in that match. So like some way somehow Roman Reigns is going to keep his title. I think if it's Cody or Gunther or Sammy or whoever, I think they will keep their title at SummerSlam. So I don't think there's a lot that's going to be changing hands there. Yeah, Roman needs to keep the title. You don't need to take it off. That's the best thing that WWE's got going right now is these revamped bloodline story. What I don't like is that great, we either get Gunther or Cody Main eventing one night of WrestleMania, be one of the other champion. I'm over it. Not big on either wrestler. I mean, Cody obviously, great story. Great to come back. Gunther puts me to sleep. When you watch him, he's a technical great wrestler. He's a perfect heel. He's the modern day. But these guys don't do anything for me. They don't move a needle. Do I want to watch Roman Reigns? Absolutely. I want to watch Roman Reigns match. But I don't like any of this outcome because you've got to have Brock Lesnar fighting summerslams in his backyard. It's in his home state. You've got to see this Obafemi story come to an end. That should have came to an end at WrestleMania. We all know this. We've been repeating this over and over. It's being talked about everywhere. Horrible way to come back. And now you, you've made this Obafemi story. It's like great. Now we know Obafemi is probably going to lose to Ju, so. Or oh, he's going to lose to Roman. Don't like any of this outcome. It's ugly. Now you got Liv and EO. You gotta assume EO's going on. But if Liv goes on, then she's Fighting for the belt, she almost got severely injured. It luckily wasn't as bad as it looked. Now you've got Rhea who is injured. It's ugly. This is. This is the aftermath of Mania right now. This is. What do we do? We just got to get to SummerSlam and have top notch wrestlers be able to be healthy and wrestle. Yeah. I just don't know what they're going to do because if EO wins then either they do the same match again. So like EO. EO versus Liv or I.O. wrestles Ray Rip Rio Ripley. And that story shouldn't be told right now. Well, you can finally have eo. Rio's never beaten EO one on one. You could finally have Ria beat her on a one on one match and you could still have it. Or friendship match. You don't need. You don't need either turning a heel right now. There's no. I hope not. Yeah, that's. That's a WrestleMania level story. If you're. If you're having EO, sky and Rhea Ripley come to blows over something that's outside of this tournament. That is the WrestleMania story to tell. Like not even a question. I think that is the story where Ria finally beats IO So then. But again the other thing is like where's Stephanie Vacair gonna fit into this if she is slated to come back soon? So you're gonna have both King of the Ring and Queen of the Ring finals with an interference finish. Like I. I don't see that happening unless they're just. They've been. They've done stupider things with booking anyways. So I want to move on quickly because I, I think the, the. If Obafemi wins because. And Brock Lesnar isn't in Saudi Arabia for the first time like ever. I think that match goes down in. In SummerSlam's Night two main event is Roman Reigns versus Obafemi. And if you saw the way crowds have been reacting to Obafemi and they see the way they have always reacted to the tribal chief like that is a massive night two main event. It is humongous. I just don't think it's the outcome that I think people are wanting which is put the strap on Oba because he's white hot. But you can't take it off of Roman because he's hot too. So then you like. I don't understand why you wouldn't have figured this out differently. But again, that's the problem with these tournaments. I do think from a collecting standpoint, I think if Jey USO wins. That's about as bad a scenario as you can have from a collecting perspective. I think if Eosky or LIV wins, both have very high collectibility. You saw what the LIV Gunners did to Sol Ruka's Twitter account when. When she had that clip surface from a house show. Like Live fans are like worse than Sasha Banks fans ever were. And it's the worst and most disgusting thing ever. But, you know, whatever, we'll. We'll put that aside. So either way, women's side, whoever wins, I don't think it really adds anything to eo. I don't think it adds anything to Live. They both accomplished so much. I think if Obafemi wins, we'll get to it in the later segment. If Oba Femi wins, I think that maybe saves some of the dip that is. That is maybe going to happen here if he loses to Jey uso. But I think from a collectibility standpoint, Oba winning is the best thing that can happen from a collecting standpoint just because he's the hottest name in wrestling cards right now. Here's the difference is they originally put a, you know, launch. What are they Rocket on the back of Jay and forced Jay down our throats. I don't think there's any rocket being put on Oba. Oba is doing it and the crowd sees what he is. That's the thing. Wwe. I don't think planned, honestly, I gotta think they didn't plan for how over he is right now. I mean, I don't think that was a planned thing. So I think they're like, scrap. How do we do this? How do we figure out how to pivot this right now? Because you should be building over for Roman, in my opinion, for Mania next year. That's where this is also in Saudi Arabia, which is so stupid. But anyways, another day, another time. Another day, another time. I want to talk quickly about this triple threat because Sami Zayn is in this match. He. They've put him in similar main event matches in the Saudi shows because of his heritage. And I think that's a cool idea. I don't think Sami's going to win. I don't want Sammy to win. I don't. I don't attribute any sort of feeling towards Sami Zayn right now that necessitates him being like this crazy heel champion that we all have been hoping for. Like, that doesn't exist. I don't think Gunther being champion helps Smackdown in any way. I still think Cody being champion helps Smackdown in any way. I think smackdown is really suffering from sort of a power vacuum here at the top, and I. I think they should definitely go a different way. And like, I don't. I would go fresh. I would do something fresh with smackdown and just find somebody that you can strap a rocket to over the next couple of months and just by the time you get to like more games, you're ready to take it off. There's one person here that I think can save it, and I think he's likely going to be inserted at some point before SummerSlam, and it's CM Punk. I think CM Punk comes back. I think that's the match Cody has. So we'll see. Oh, well, let me pivot this real quick. Just talking about the triple threat match here. We know Sammy's come about the story lately. What if. What if Sammy does win this match, but it's a temporary hold, so let's just say Oba loses because of Lesnar. Then Jay easily can beat. It's believable that he could beat a guy like Sami Zayn. Sammy finally gets the title in Saudi, carries it to SummerSlam, loses it. Jay wins. Don't like it. What I'm saying I don't like, but I don't hate it because I don't want to see Gunther win. I'm tired of Cody. Throw something new. What's it going to hurt? Throw it against the ball. Let Sammy win. Have Jay win, beat him. Carries the title. Doesn't have to carry it long. But then you just made the bloodline even stronger. This time around, you have Fatu over Solo Sikoa. You now have two champions. A part of that. Just a scenario to play with, to think about. Helps Sami Zayn's market. May not like him, but I don't hate him. I actually don't dislike Sammy at all. Out of the three, I actually think it'd be kind of funny, kind of cool to see him win. But it makes it more believable that Jay can go beat him. In my opinion, it's a temporary hold for. I. I don't know, man. I think if they've. This whole tournament just threw everything and like it's all throwing everybody for a curse. I mean, it's predictable and not predictable. What? What a curveball to throw because he only has to carry it for a month. I mean, hell, Summer Slam's a month away. He's got to carry it for a month. And he gets it in Saudi Arabia, gets the crowd over. He's a temporary intern. Hold it I don't know. I don't, don't like it. I don't hate it, but I don't want to see Gunther leave with it. And I really don't see Cody Lee with it. I'm kind of just over. I mean, I would, I would be pumped if, if they, if they say, okay, Oba's going to win and, and Brock will interfere at SummerSlam instead of here, I'm fine with that. But Brock needs to have a match at SummerSlam. He has to have a match. There's, there's ways to do that, or. So that's number one. And then I think you bring back CM Punk. CM Punk versus Cody. That's a match I do want to see. They've been building that, dropping hints here and there for a while. We'll see. One last thing that I think has gotten really weird because I think they, Speaking of strapping rockets to people, Chad Gable's new thing, which they did on Raw, I don't get it. I don't understand what they're trying to do. Like this, this whole promo where he's saying, sorry, he's this white meat baby face guy. If it ends up where he eventually goes back to being a heel and this is all a ruse, like, then it makes sense. But Chad Gable being like this white me baby face with this music and like this, it's just, it's not the way that I would have capitalized on that match with Ludwig Kaiser. I would have made him sort of this grappler killer and just be like, yeah, I, I've recognized my heritage. I've united the force of regular wrestling and lucha wrestling, and I'm now this, you know, sort of like Ultimate Jedi here. But I, I don't get it. I don't understand what they're doing with Gable. It makes him look stupid. It, it, I, I, it's weird. It was the momentum they had. They've dropped the ball on this already, in my opinion. I feel like you had a great come on segment where he pick up the, you know, Ray's mask, gave it to him. Crowd's going crazy. And then this now it's like, oh, you finally have, like, you have something here. You have something that could build up even more, and you're going the other way. I don't know, man. This is, this is the time of year where it's every year. Yeah, it is, it is, it's, it makes it hard to watch and hard to swallow some of this stuff, and it makes you fan go, you're just racking your head behind it. And that's. And again, we're spending how much time every time upset talking about this? Like, yeah, they haven't found their way yet. They usually don't until middle of the year. Like later part of the middle of the year. But I want to. I want to call out one thing and it's. It's gotten really annoying. So Juo is an entrance merchant. I've said that before. But he's an entrance merchant because of the crowd participation. Okay, so the crowd participation. He comes in, he comes through the crowd, does the yeet thing. They do this run it back thing now, which people call for. But Obafemi's reaction that raw is is everybody with a brain. But either way. So it's this crowd participation sort of entrance. Then you've got the street profits who come out and won the tag titles on Monday. Good for them. They're great. Tag team. Love watching there. They are. Absolutely awesome. They have a crowd participation entrance where they're doing like this truck thing. I. I can't stand it. It's not organic. The yeet thing was more. Much more organic because Jay just kind of always did stuff like that and the crowd kind of brought it, and then he played along with it and made it bigger. Gable comes out now and is doing like this clappy thing, and I'm just like, we can't. Like, every wrestler recognizes crowd participation gets you over. And like, street profits created their own thing and people are kind of doing it, and Gable's trying to get people to do his thing. I. I mean, like, we've got to stop. Like, if it's not organic, please don't try and build. It's like, stop trying to make fetch happen. Do you agree or disagree? I know, I agree. I think, you know, use up an example. I mean, nobody does his walk and the crowd just picks up and kit. My kids do organic. I mean, again, it could have been designed. Sure, I'll give them that. But it is taken over. But yeah, now you're just forcing all this stuff. Don't they have Javon Evans doing some saying now or trying to get the crowd over? I don't know. Catchphrase is bad too. This is your warning shot. Oh, but we just. Okay, we gotta stop complaining. I feel like, yeah, I'm a very positive guy, and I feel like this first 20 minutes has been very negative over everything. But I think we're both very irritated. I think a lot of people are irritated. The whole thing is irritated. It's yeah, move on. I love what they're doing with Fatu. I think that was awesome. I like Fatu continues to be the bright spot in Monday Night Rock. I think what they get going with Roman, I think that's good. Rollins and Breaker, I, I, I think that's actually sort of picked up some steam. I think the vision is awful. But once they get Bronson Reed back and Bron Breaker and Bronson Reed can go on their terror, like I think that's cool. But like this cage match that's happening in Saudi, like I think it's going to be a really good match. I know Brett hates Bron Breaker and there's a Bron Breaker thing we'll get to in a second. But like, like I, I'm a, I like Bron Breaker. I think he's intense. I love the way that he wrestles at full speed every time and he doesn't have the best promo yet, but he's like in the ring he is the embodiment of Rick Steiner and Scott Steiner combined and it's kind of cool. And I think the, the dynamic, if this is truly the blow off with Seth Rollins and the steel cage then I'm all for it. But get Bron Breaker onto something else, get Seth Rollins onto something else. That's something that needs to be rectified immediately. So and then Tiffy versus Jade, meh. Unfortunately I was like, did you really put that there? Do we have to really go into that one? I mean they've done that match many times. Real quick going over the Rollins breaker because I'm a Rollins guy. I'm excited because Rollins could work with anybody. He is like, yeah, in my opinion the nowadays hpk, he could just, he could work great with anybody. Gonna be an awesome match. Feel like Rollins gets this win. This is the closing chapter book. They could finally close the story. Move on. I'm 100% with you. I don't think Rollins loses this match. I think this is his wheelhouse to win. I think this is time. You've already got the belts off of the, off of them and now you could just kind of end this and move on. And let's just be done with this vision thing with Rollins and them. Move on to bigger and better things. Yeah, agreed. All right, let's get on to some card market high spots. Really cool thing. Another Wrestlemania patch. Autograph comp has come through. Ray Phoenix sold on Fanatics collect $6,300 according to the seller. I believe this is under the advance that fanatics gave. So I Think fanatics took a loss on this one, which is interesting. But my question to you is like, what are your thoughts on the price and is this the floor? Like, do you think Sort of like Ray Phoenix. He's been on AAA a little bit. He hasn't really been on Smackdown much. Like, he's not the same level of focus that Penta has had. Came in. He was hurt, came in late or contract situation. Really sort of put him from behind. But does this impact the floor? Is this the floor and really does it impact the ceiling? What's your thought on the price? I think the floor is like an Eric Ivar type thing, which is around three, four grand. Yeah. What's Mike? A little bit more just for the longevity. I don't think this is the floor for all them. I think this is a step up of some of the lower, lower two guys. He's down there, but he does have promise. I think, you know, him coming over with Pitts. I feel like there's got to be some storyline there for him in the future. I do think this is very close to it. I don't think this is the four for some of the lesser ones, but it's pretty damn close. I think three to four on like an. I believe Eric Ivar have them. I feel like one of those guys would trend in that range. And this is. There's the luchador people. The wrestlers have somewhat of a following, so I feel that goes towards this. But I feel like this is a step above and went about where I expected to go in the 5 to 7,000 range. So we're spot on agreeing with that. Okay. I don't think it impacts the ceiling either. I. I think this is probably just an inconsequential sort of sale that is just there as another comp. I think 6300. I'm sure cat got it. I'm sure he was the one that. I mean, I heard from what. Yeah, from all intents and purposes, he's going for all the ones that pop up on public auction. So it's not surprising there. He ended up with Jay as well. Don't worry. He didn't have to worry about bidding against me on this one. So we're the. The other one. Oh, it's a little different story. Yes. Yeah. So one of the other things. I don't have a slide prepared for it, but I want to talk quickly. If you guys aren't following at Wax metrics on Twitter. He is Slab Squatch. He does all of the breakdowns for all of the products. I want to give him a shout out because he did a bunch of breakdowns for WWE products. I covered it on main event wrestling cards. If you guys have listened. Sapphire I think is an interesting thing. We've talked a lot about it on the podcast. But through all of the different analysis that he did, he sort of called out that. And this is really what I wanted to focus on. Most of the cards there in Sapphire are much more rare at the base level that I think people are aware of. He called out that the base autographs in Sapphire should end up with about 25, 20 to 25 copies each. So if you're opening a box of Sapphire, you're basically guaranteed an orange refractor autograph type level of. Of circulation. He also said that the Sapphire Infinite cards usually range about 15 to 17 copies depending. And then the Sapphire selections are in the 30 card range. So very, very low print run on about a thousand cases. I think we've covered that in the past. But just an interesting data point because I think Sapphire overall is a completely underrated product this year, mainly because of what happened last year and the shitty product that ended up being. But also you're getting a one of one pink or whatever else. One of one. One every about two cases, which is just crazy. If you're ripping Sapphire, there is really no better chance out there than ripping a couple of cases and almost being like on track to get a one on one. You can rip Breakers Delight at 5,000, 6,000 the case. Not even sniff a Super Fractor. You get a lot of value there. The Paparazzka cards usually end up about 60 to 70% of what the super sell for because of what they are. But that's just really interesting information. I wanted to call that out because I saw that this week and I was like, oh, that's really cool. Yeah, I like that. I did not know that. That makes me feel better about going to rip Sapphire Real quick. You mentioned Delight. I want to give a shout out and you'll agree with. To Rob Singleton. Yeah. Adam and I both saw him at the Minnesota shop. It was funny. He came up to me and he actually was eating at the restaurant next door and I was with my son and a friend from Panini and he overheard my voice and was like, that's right. So when I came back over, he came up, we talked a little bit. He took home a Delight case. Did you see what he got? I did the Roman Reigns. The Roman Roman Leakey Black Audit. And so congrats on that, Rob. It was great to see you, man. It was great talking to you and thanks for stopping by and talking. Yeah, I met his wife. It's all. It's awesome. Like, he brought his wife along, the things. That was cool. He did. He also pulled a garbage pail Kids out of that case. It was really good. Yeah, it was a good case for sure. So. Yeah. So I just wanted to call that out now. I want to. I want to play a game here. So let's. Let's play a game. For the record, I don't know anything that's coming. I don't read these slides. He just throws them on and I go with it. That's what makes it fun. There's. It's all this one. It doesn't require you to have on the spot answers for anything. We're going to be. Basically, I've, I, I'm on social media all the time. I'm on Facebook, I'm on whatever. I've seen a lot of stuff. So what I did is I've compiled what we're going to call Hot Takes Wrestling Card Edition. I have the Hot Ones logo here, adapted for our podcast. And all of these takes I've seen on social media over the last few months, I wanted to compile them. We also got some crowd participation. So there's a last slide where we will go through some of the ones brought to me through Instagram and Twitter and Facebook. We'll go through each level of take. There's. They. They grow in spiciness, just like they do on Hot Ones. So the, the earlier takes won't be as spicy, but the last ones are pretty spicy. And then we'll give our feedback on each take. Agree or disagree. And then if you want to go spicier on your own take, you're. You're encouraged to do so. We good? All right, we'll see how this goes. This is going to be interesting. All right, we're going to start with a mild take here. This is the first wing. And the take that I saw is we are at the peak of the wrestling card market. With the recent sales and performance, it's all downhill from here. Agree or disagree? Disagree completely. It's only going to grow, in my opinion. Yeah. And this is, this is one of those mild, like, this is everywhere. Like, I see this a lot on social media is like, oh, it's a bubble, it's going to burst, whatever. But I think this take that, we're at the peak here and like, things are starting to slow down or across the hobby for any number of reasons. Ryan explained a couple of those last week, but I, I don't think we're at the peak and I think wrestling cards in general seem to be on an upward trajectory even when the rest of the hobby tends to slow down for the cyclical things that happen during the year. So I, I, I, I don't agree with this take either but this was, this is the mild take if you will. Oh, this has got to be interesting. I like this. All right, another mild take. The the 2024 Select Gold Vinyls will hold more long term value than most of the other select black one of ones because they are quote unquote super. I somewhat can agree with this one because they only did the one year they're very close to a super fractor. I, I will go ahead and agree with this one because of the one year deal they did three years of select the last year they made them non black. I, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go agree. I'm gonna agree. Okay, so I, I think it depends. I think we saw the one of one black rock premier level from 2022 sell for 17k last week. I think the gold vinyls of 2024 select, especially the ringside ones are beyond awesome and I would love for this to be true. I think they deserve this level of collectibility. But I think the debut ones, especially the ringside with all those awesome photos they used in 2022 may still carry a premium long term just because it's the debut. But yeah, I would love for this to be true for sure. Anything gold vinyl, I think they chronicles a bunch of stuff with the optics they did with optic and then they did those things man honors was one they had it with if I was correct. So I mean the gold vials agree me it's pretty close to a super fracture. Don't get me wrong, I love blacks. The black finite. Good God. There's like nothing else like it except Topps chrome geometric blacks this year. But being one of ones, I mean again this is, I get it. I mean I was disappointed at first that they did the gold, the, the gold vinyls. This because from somebody that tries to build the blacks each year it was kind of weird to me but I, I can get behind this. I'm, I'm behind this one. Yeah. I think the top super fracture is a standard. It will be a standard. It will be the introduction for a number of people coming into the hobby during this time frame. So like as fanatics grows the expansion the, the Idea of the prison black is probably going to be more and more further in the past than it has been come during the previous boom. I will agree. The black finite, you can't beat it. It's amazing. But I think from a super fracture perspective like it's going to be hard to beat what tops control is going to look like over the market. All right, we're going to get a little bit spicier here. Here's level two. The Panini era wrestling cards that are rare and desirable are bubble proof cards that will continue to get more desirable as time moves on. I don't know if I'd use the word bubbleproof but I agree to this completely. I feel like the Panini era is, was a short lived. It'll more than likely cannot see it ever happening again. We're going to be talking about iconic photos sets. The flawless integration, immaculate, impeccable. I mean they knocked this out of the ballpark. We were ripping some over the weekend and Minnesota just ripping some older photogenic. Absolutely love the photogenic cars. The picture, the imaging is great. I'm not saying photogenics in this level but I don't know about, I'd say the words bubbleproof because I don't think anything technically, technically is. But I agree with everything else in this. I, I think from a bubble proof perspective like there are their vintage I think is bubbleproof. Like anything vintage tends to be bubbleproof. Like it goes up and down little bits but not like hu fluctuations. I think sets like flawless, the original prism, stuff like that. Like those tend to be things that I would expect to grow regardless of what's happening in the overall hobby. I think there are some Panini era cards that are desirable now but may lose favor. I don't, I, I think I'm with you on the bubbleproof thing. I put that in there just to, to give us a point to talk about here because I think we both love the Panini cards but man I've, I've seen so much feedback online that like everybody's like whoa, the flawless cards are getting so expensive. Like there's no way that they're going to hold and blah blah. I'm like I, I think they're going to get more like I think they're going to go up. They're trying to. It's crazy to think but they are starting to dry up. Especially the starch watches. There's several guys after those. I'm one of them. THC is another one. Jameson. Multiple people collect those. Those I would highly say if it seems reasonable price of any start squads, get it now of the autograph versions because they're just going to continue to dry up because the people buying them aren't selling them just for food for thought. Yeah, all right. Staying on this level, the people that complain about high prices and cost of the hobby in wrestling will be unhappy forever or unlace until they change the way they approach things. Disagree. Because the word forever is, is very strong word. I know you're like, oh, he's gonna call me out on this one. So I, I, the problem is not really a problem. Most people who don't want to accept change or tend to be very negative. They live in the past of, well, I remember what it used to be, what it used to cause most people are pretty one sided that way. I'm very open minded. I try to think, you know, it's different for me. I, I think things, I approach things differently in life so I try to stay positive but I look at every outcome I can. So it's, it's hard to agree and disagree with this one in my opinion. I like to think people, they are hot takes. I like to think people can change, but some people just choose not to. And that's people for you. Yeah, I think, I think there's, there's a, like this is the most common reaction from people is like when tops post something, when Panini posts something, when upper deck post something, it doesn't matter. Everybody just says like it's too expensive. You've priced me out. I, I was listening to a podcast and somebody said we had this same reaction when boxes cost a fraction of what they do now. So I think like it didn't matter. It didn't matter when the prices were lower. It didn't matter anything then. We still got the same people saying it's too expensive, it's too expensive. Cards will never be free. So as long as it costs more than free, there's always going to be somebody unhappy. And I think that the people. I agree to a point on this, that I think people are going to be very unhappy for a very long time if they can't get past that idea that things are too expensive. And I see this everywhere on whatnot. I see this everywhere on fanatics, live social media. It doesn't matter. Things are too expensive things. But we're still on those platforms, buying cards. I, I just think you got to change your mindset. And to Ryan's point, like I've always looked at it like, hey, not everything is going to be for me, not everything is going to be something I want to buy, but I, I, So I, around 2013, 2014 time frame, I just made a conscious decision to think differently about things and I think it's really helped me overall with this mindset. You really used to be one of those people that complained. It used to be. No, it actually used to be pretty big. You've gotten better with your old age there, my friend. You've, you've actually got come to the positive side. No, you've got to be definitely open minded and really think outside the box with this industry. There's so much opportunity out there with things that are under the radar that if, if you get in front of it and you watch Friends, you could, it could pay you dividends and time. But again that's, it's going to take understanding, time, research. But the biggest thing you need to do is be open minded and think outside the box. Especially in our hobby. Okay, so that was a two pepper spicy take. We're gonna go up, we're gonna do one more and then we're gonna get up one more level here. The Panini era WWE logo cards from sets like Immaculate, Impeccable and Select will never reach peak value because they are all locked up and don't change hands enough in public forums. This is a disagreement here because things eventually resurface. They do come out of the woodwork. Things happen, people change their minds. I mean we just saw that rock black surface. I mean you would think that's in the collection. Who would have thought that was going to do that number? No, I disagree with this completely. I, I think the Panini era stuff is going to continue to grow because the name Panini and what they did for the sports card and non sports card hobby was tremendous with creating things like Prism Flawless. I mean the sets that again where we used to compare with upper deck which was exquisite ultimate collection. The things that we wish we still had in the basketball world, those things continue to surface. A Jordan card could not surface for 15 years. Comes out of the woodwork, sets a record number. I guess we're not talking basketball cards, rusty cards, but when things sell or whatever surface and then they go away for five years, if it gets in the right space and gets out to a market, there's enough people ready to get that. Let's be honest, if some crazy Randy Orton card surfaced that I haven't seen or didn't know guy ever came out, you bet your butt I'm going to go ham for it because it there's a possibility. Yes, it may not surface again. It may surface again. But if I don't buy it now, who knows if it surfaces again? I'm probably paying more the way the market and the hobby continues to grow. So this was a take I saw on Facebook a few months ago because we were discussing like top cards from the Paninier and somebody posted this like, oh, these cards don't change hands enough. They'll never be of value. As some of the others, I will say this. These are my favorite cards. Beyond. I mean, we all love prison blacks and whatever and stuff like that. I do too. I have all of them. These are my favorite cards. The W. I just posted a few of them on Instagram because I was making this slide and I was like, oh, I should. I should take this picture. Like, these are awesome cards. Ryan. Actually we've talked about on the podcast, Ryan pulled me the Becky lynch from Immaculate. So, I mean, like, they don't change hands. They are locked up. But there was a show that Brett used to do on stacking slabs with Nick from the Wharf who did something called no Recent comps. I think these cards, because they don't change hands often are things that will only go up and up and up in value. Especially the big names from big sets. Especially the initial immaculate ones, which are player worn. Yes. The second one are a mix of player worn and unaffiliated. So, like, you can't really tell which is which. The original ones are player worn. So, like they were worn by the wrestlers. I think that adds a layer of collectibility to those. And the cards are gorgeous cards. Love the select ones that they did. Jameson and I have talked about this forever. Since 2022. He has the Roman Reigns, I have the, the Becky Lynch. Awesome, awesome cards. They're so cool. I'm so happy I was able to lock all those up. But I know there's people out there still on the hunt for theirs. The Rhea Ripley one, I mean, if that came up again from Immaculate, I think it was. I think the great curator owned it at one point. But that card, easily five figures, maybe mid five figures at this point. Just a humongous card. And I know like even ones from you, like, you have some Randy Orton ones that have massive amounts of inscriptions on them and stuff like that. Like those types of cards that maybe also are from this same vein, I think are only going to continue to go up. I know we've been talking a lot about Panini cards in this Hot Take segment, but it just, it was on my Brain and I, I was like, I remember these takes from social media. I wanted to call them out a little bit. Yeah, logos are key. I have the rounds from 22 immaculate. I have the Orton 101 but he was a wrestling man, same Charlotte Flair, which was unfortunate. So I was buying those as redemptions and as soon as they started surfacing I was like, oh no, not Matt's. No. Praying that it was going to be a WWE logo as well. But it wasn't. So so be it. I hope this is something that Topps eventually adopts and like if they're doing player worn at some point in the future, you can find these swatches more easily. Yeah, but from the event worn stuff, if you can find an event worn WWE logo, like that's, that's the peak of relics, I think. Yeah, a lot of people are going to say, well I want the face, I want this, I want that. Like it's the logo. It's always the logo. Do you agree that you when you bounce other sports. Yes. The logo of the actual brand sport or whatever is the most desirable collectible from somebody who buys a lot of baseball knobs, barrels, all that stuff. Love Bob's Narrows. Bobs and Chiefs bobs, bat knobs and barrels. But nothing is better than an MLB logo man on a card or an NBA logo, man. NFL. I mean it just, it's the top of the top of the line you can get. Yeah. All right, we're gonna go up to the three pepper here. Roman Reigns and John Cena are the two most undervalued athletes in all of sports cards. This is three pepper. Sorry, I'm trying to compose myself. I, I going to disagree. I again this is being a, a fan and, and wrestling and knowing cards. I think Cena scienced a ton. He's always signed a ton. Yes. Cena has all the titles. He's considered the goat. I disagree. In my opinion. I've never been a Cena guy but again this is my opinion. This is me being who my Mount Rushmore is and I was talking with Mattelis the other day about my Mount Rushmore. Again, I'm an HPK Orton Rollins guy. One more guy there. I love Roman Reigns. I think Roman Reigns does have potential for his cards to continue to grow up because in an era that all this stuff is out there on social media, he's going to be remembered for so much. Not that Cena wasn't. Cena was before the curb of social media. We saw him win 17. Yes. But I think Cena's cards in my opinion are overrated. I think Reigns is about where they're at. I think they have upside. But I think Cena is, is overrated in my opinion. Again, my opinion, my thoughts when I compare him to other people, you could be buying. Yeah, I think like this is. I saw somebody respond this on, on Twitter once and it just got me thinking because like Roman Reigns, especially John Cena, now that he's crossed over to Hollywood, the Rock in Hollywood, like all of these guys definitely have a future. I think being a part of the Hollywood scene. I don't think Roman Reigns is as marketable as some of these other guys just because it's just not who he is. But he's, he will end up being one of the most impactful wrestlers of all time. You may not like him, but it's hard to disagree that he's had all these WrestleMania main events. He'll have all of these title runs. He won't have 17, I don't think. I think John Cena will hold that record for a while unless Randy Orton flip flops a few over the next few years. But like there's maybe Charlotte Flair eventually. But, but back this, when I gave my take was based off wrestling. This is all sports cards. The person wants. That's, that's a lot to throw out there. So I think most of the highest value people in football, in basketball, baseball are younger guys or goats. And I think like they are people coming out in the draft, they're people with high potential or they're the goats of the games. Ruth, Jordan, you know, you name it. Even guys like Lewis Hamilton who I always call attention to, he's had a million dollar sale. He's in F1. Like he, he's as recognizable as most of these athletes are worldwide. I think Roman Reigns and John Cena are both on that level. I think the Rock is on that level. So I think from a value perspective and where wrestling cards sit right now, they are some of the most undervalued athletes in all of sports cards. I think wrestling has a ton of upside as a whole and because these guys will end up being the goats of their respective sort of generations, like they have that much more potential as more people adopt. I'm not going to buy the new guys, I'm going to buy the goats strategy which has become very popular in sports cards recently. So I think this is closer to true than people probably think. Okay, fair, fair, fair. That's why it's a three pepper. That's why. Yeah, it's Yep. All right, we're getting on to the four pepper ones here. This is extra hot. Collectors, investors and everyone in between should treat 2024 Panini, flawless WWE as the wrestling equivalent of of 2003.04 exquisite basketball. I am going to somewhat agree with this. It is a one time deal. Even though I don't know if I would go 0304 exquisite basketball. But I get the point. I'm going to agree in disagreeing away here because three or four was revolutionary. It was never done before. First time ever. However, Flawless has been done before in other sports. It's been done forever. How one year deal with wwe. That's one and done. There's so much more that they could have done with it if they had a better cooperation with the wwe. I think we could have got Roman Autos. I think there was a lot there that was missed opportunity for this product. I'm sure this product was designed to be made again probably a one time deal years prior with better cooperation to where they could do the things that they needed to do. Unfortunately for collectors, that did not happen. Unfortunately for Panini, that did not happen. But I do put it in the realm of Exquisite. When it compares to any other wrestling product or card ever made to date. Royalty has been great. It is not flawless. What they did with Royalty was add the Mania patches and a lot of, you know, match use all that stuff. Love all that. Something that Flawless couldn't have done because the level of cooperation. So you have to look at it from two ways I do put it from, from being a collector and doing cards for a long time. I love Exquisite. There's nothing like Exquisite when you, when somebody still collects a little bit of basketball has LeBron exquisites, you know, there's nothing like that. And I think when I look at Flawless wwe, it had so much more potential to what they could have done with it if things would have been differently. And I think we missed the boat as collectors getting that. But it is just beautiful. Exquisite is beautiful. Flawless is beautiful. I do love Immaculate. I do love Impeccable. But to me Flawless stands above all. And until Topps can figure out what they're going to be able to do, could Dynasty be that? Maybe time will tell. But Flawless more than likely. And I say never say never will never be replicated again Made WWWE cards unless top for some reason can buy the licensing product licensing from Panini again. I, I, I wish more could have been done with Floss. I wish we didn't get one year. I wish we would have Got Becky lynch autos. Your financial. You're glad you didn't. But you should have got Becky in there. Should have got Roman in there. There was a lot of things that we missed out on as collectors, but that's way beyond our pay grade. Yeah, I. I think that's a. That's a really good explanation. I think Flawless being one and done is why. And this is my take. This is. This is something that I sort of inserted in here because I. Of course it's your take, Adam. Of course. Well, no, but the way that I'm looking at it, most of the other ones have been from other people. This is Disney crap. I just. I know, but I like, I love. This is my favorite take out of them. Really? Yeah. This is a really fun thing to discuss because Flawless being one and done is huge. I think it is a legacy brand for Panini. It is always going to be thought of the way Exquisite was thought of for Upper Deck. I think Exquisite and Flawless were sort of mirror images of each other in a lot of ways. Exquisite may not have the most valuable basketball cards of all time or the most valuable football cards of all time, but it is looked at as like the peak set. Right? It is the one that everybody looks back on and says, wow, like, look at what they were able to accomplish. And Carvin has sort of been doing rounds over the last 10 years on podcast as the grandfather of a lot of this. 200304 Exquisite was LeBron's rookie year. I don't think that there is a rookie in the set that's at LeBron level yet, but we have Vac here, we have Obafemi. They have rookie cards in this. If they end up being some of the generational stars, like, that could be huge. I think there's levels of Rookie in Flawless that, you know, they. That have cards. Obafemi has an autograph relic card in. In Flawless. Like those are the types of things I was trying to draw parallels before. I don't know if that came through. But like, I think like overall being that there's only one version of it and what it means to the overall basketball hobby, what it means the overall football hobby, like, this set continues to be the benchmark for a lot of reasons, even though it's not event worn. Those star swatches that everybody loves, probably unaffiliated in a lot of them, but it doesn't matter because it's star swatches. Like people collect the hell out of those cards and like that's why this is a four pepper Take. I get it. But like for me, like I, I wish Becky had cards just so I can collect them, just so I could go back and get them. She was in the previews, but there was a lot of reasons why that didn't happen. Same with Roman. Like, I think there's like, if Panini really had the opportunity to do what Tops is doing now, that set would have been 10 times as good as. As good as it already is. The gorgeous looking set, gorgeous imagers from iconic moments for all these wrestlers. And again the, the sets, I mean for me I was buying Rollins and Ordon everywhere I could. And again, it was funny. I was paying like 60, 70 bucks, 80 bucks. Disgusting. You know, and everyone that either I ripped and pulled or hit in a break, I've never sold any of my Rollins or Wharton. So I have some of these guys. There may be gold tens, I may have seven of the gold tens because Orton Rollins had a good amount of subsets in that. And I actually built the HPK the Rumble one where he won when Bridget Bulldog threw him over. I pulled the 101 and I was like, I'm building this rainbow. I mean HPK is, is one of my favorites of all time. And how cool that I pulled that one. That could build it. One thing to go over and compare and contrast real quick. And again, yes, unfortunately we didn't get a lot of rookies but OBA did have autos is going back to. We're talking SARS watches. Put a perspective. And a lot of people aren't familiar this because a lot of it's being sold behind closed doors. But Steph Curry obviously had a rookie exquisite auto but it was his Davidson rookie. It was no patch auto. It was a white shirt. Yeah, his, his star swatch patch autos from Flawless are insane numbers that will blow your mind away. And they're selling overseas, they're selling platform privately. I know this because I pulled a couple when I went and ripped some flawless from 24, 25 flawless. I was lucky enough at the gold to 10. At the time I pulled it, I thought it was, you know, 20, $25,000. And I had to make a call to MC sports cards and Matt Fang Matt Sports Cards and they're like, yeah, we're going to help you sell this. I think they got me like close to $100,000. Jesus. I was, I was in shock. The worst part is is that I decided to rip more. I pulled out of my first box, my first break face of a case I ripped and after that I Couldn't pull anything to that level. And I was like, why did I rip more? I hit the best. I didn't realize at the time, but it was so beautiful. The last year of Flawless, especially football, they did a great job at the last year Flawless football, they loaded it up. So again, there is a market there in that realm of the sports card world that people don't realize in the basketball world. No, I'm not saying WB is there yet. It's nowhere near. May never get on that level. But if Flawless continues to get into collection Sands, I love just adding another one and going through like, oh, I forgot I had that. That's cool. And I had The Stone Cold 101. I had the. Of the star swatches. I had The Rey Mysterio 101, which is a whole massive WWE logo. I remember you pulling that. I had those two one on ones. I think that's the only 100 ones I have for that. But I love tracking down the star swatch. Even though they're not warned or anything like that. There's just beautiful. I think the Ria Ripley is a wwe. It is. It is WWE logo. This is insane car. Yes. Okay, so that was. That was a four pepper take. I want to go into an insanely hot one. Here is. Here's one that is so hot. I'm gonna read this and then you tell me. Tops will eventually create an accessible, well thought out product at a very inexpensive price. And it will be so universally panned that they will scrap future plans for other affordable sets. And my is Homer Simpson once said, you can't win friends with salad Lisa. Do I have to answer this one? Oh my gosh. Nothing with the license and everything. Now the cost to have this stuff. It's inexpensive is like when they did. When they did bait for 150 bucks. And online only the inexpensive days. I think we're looking at minimum 200 a box going forward. Let's say they build out like a heritage paper or a TOPS paper product and they put it out for sale like 90 bucks a box and it eventually sells 120, 150 on the secondary market. Will people hate it so much that they will never do it again? If it doesn't go up much, that means it's not a good quality product. It's not a product that it's. It's got sustainability to go up. I wouldn't think if the product. The market dictates everything. Tops could. Oh, gosh. Oh, yeah. I can talk about. This is why it's the hottest thing. Tops builds these products to be a certain price point. It is built that way. We talk about this with royalty. Royalty was built to be here and it's up here and it's here. You could rip and you're fine up here. You might as well just take a kick in the nuts because that's what it is. The market is always going to dictate something differently than what Topps and these other companies create. It is unfortunate we don't live in the times where back then when we used to be able to rip WWE boxes of Chrome for 50 bucks a box and it would sit there forever because it was built that way and there was no really hot market to dictate that, oh, this is. They don't have enough. I don't have enough time to go into this. I don't have enough energy to go into this. But yes, would I love for something like this. You bet your ass. Owning a card shop, I wish that we could have a product and Tops is doing things like this right now. They're doing the re. What? They're changing the name. But what was the retail reserve where they had us put tops chrome, WWE blasters out. You couldn't charge more than 30 bucks. They're doing that with other products like Bowman Baseball and they're at a price point and guess what's happening? Those products are getting sucked up, sold out, out my door. Bowman baseball flew at $30 a box. Now there's $60 a box. We're sold out. We got like 10 clay cases. That's 400 boxes. We were sold out within a month because we stood true at the $30 a box price. There are ways that they're doing that, however, the market dictates differently. Yeah, I think so. This was sent to me as an instant message as a response to one of my. One of the posts that I did on Main Event or something, I added that you can't win friends with salad because I know that. I know it's my favorite. Yes. But anyways, like, I think overall the, the idea of affordability and is. Is sort of dictated the way that you explained. Right. So even if Tops puts out a box at 100 bucks, if it's a great product, it's going to be 200 bucks, 300 bucks really quickly. Yeah, the, the. The quality of the product really dictates the affordability of it. Regardless of what Topps put us puts it out on their website for. I will say this, that where I agreed with this person is that in Order to make a product more affordable, the budget has to be reduced so that they can offer it at that price. They take out some of the features that make a product popular with people. So like things like autograph on card relics and stuff like that. In baseball, they can maybe do that in series one. In wrestling, maybe they don't make that level of investment because the budget won't be as high or something like that. I think if you take too many elements out of it and to make it affordable or you spread the print run out super far, take autograph content out like they did with Cosmic and Cactus Jack and so on and so forth, the affordability aspect of it is a problem. Yeah, I think that's where I agree. I, I want to make one missing and I want to make use a perfect example here because Topps did build a product like this. They built logo fracture at WrestleMania, $100 a box and arguably the greatest wrestling product you could rip at a affordability price point at 100 bucks. And unfortunately they limited one per and then at the end they sold a lot left. But Logo Fracture was built to be that way. Now granted, when we were offered Logo Fracture after Mania, we did not get to pay 100 bucks. We had to pay more. Wasn't crazy more. But Logo Fracture, what is it, 300 a box? I don't remember. Yes, I'm like. But the market dictated because at $100 a box, many people will tell you if they got to rip these at 100 bucks. Luckily I got to rip some and my luck wasn't as good as others. But still at 100 bucks, oh my gosh, all day long I would just fiend and rip and rip and rip that stuff. That is a no brainer. Hops built that. However, again, market dictate differently because you made such a good product at 100 bucks, the market is triple that now or whatever it's at. I don't even know what it's at anymore. I'm going to take a look. But 300. It's at 300. Okay. But a good, good example would be Logo Fracture of Tufts building that. And they're in the wrestling space, in the wrestling card space. They're trying to keep products more affordable. They really are. They're trying to go, oh, we're not looking at football. We're not comparing you to football. Basketball, they're in a different tier. Baseball's up here. We want more people in the wrestling card space. They're trying, they're doing that. Trust us, they're Trying the market dictates differently so they build a great product. It's going to be higher because of the market. Yeah. I think that's where a lot of the paradox of this take probably exists. Great, great example with logo Fractor I would say Bape is. Is sort of the other side of this. Right. It's like it's. It's kind of like it only speaks to very specific types of collectors out there. So yeah it's. But it's too like they cheated with Chrome. Like anything you put Chrome on is going to be great. So like whatever. All right, last one from done. I thought we were. We got one more insanely hot take. The current tops era has already done more for wrestling cards than any other his any other era in the history of the space. This is the hottest take on the thing. Curious what your thoughts. I will give you this. The marketing that they have been put behind wrestling cards and marketing. Everything Topps is doing is bar none. They've done some incredible marketing to make more people aware. Are they doing that? Yes, ever. Hard to say. I don't want to be such a a Panini guy on this in this take, you know. But they again Prism, perfect example. When it came out 22 was built to be $150 a box. The market went stupid saying those boxes in the first month got to 15, $1800 a box. Now they're back down to, you know, 200 something bucks. But I want to say I will give tops this when I say they're doing an amazing job in the marketing. They're doing a phenomenal job of the marketing. Nobody has ever put the amount of money into the marketing what they're doing in sports cards and cards as a whole across any landscape before. And I think we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg. I think there's more to come. But I think Panini built something really more towards the wrestling collectors. They whoever. Well we know who is behind it. That person behind it was truly a big wrestling fan and put a lot of thought, effort and energy. Not saying the guys on the top spread now because they are but I think that they. There was something different with what they did and I think it was they knew they had a short. Well, they didn't know but eventually they knew on release day, release week that they had a short window to do this so they had to do this right. And I think they really did that right. But they did that with. With the mindset of a collector and a wrestling fan who really was like I'm going to make this in my eyes the best it can be. And they really did a great job. Do I love a lot of the subtops doing 100% the, the debut patch is awesome. The mania patches outside the box, we're going to continue to get that. But to say, you know, more than any other era, really hard to say because Rusty cards were never made to be originally what they are today. They were never to be to the level. And again, sports cards, same thing. Baseball cards are created for kids. They were made to be fun and they were never made to be quote, unquote valuable, you know, and, and everything changed. So it's again, I got to go back to the marketing. Amazing job. Love what they're doing in marketing space and really getting the awareness out there that there are wrestling cards because we get people coming all the time. Like, I didn't realize they had wrestling cards. Mike. Oh, you came to the right place. You came to the right place, bro. We're going to most, most place to go to maybe have one, two, three boxes. Let me show you. I feel like Danny McBride, this is the end, like when he's cooking the food and stuff and he's like doing that. Let me show you a wrestling. I want to be there for one of those times where somebody gives it to your story like that they have and it's just like. And then they, they leave and they probably go somewhere else. Like, I feel like you have like a choreographed dance where all the people come out from behind the counter and they start doing land anyway. Like oompa loopa dance. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Let me show you the wonders of the Willy Wonka chocolate factory here. So I, the only thing I have to say to add because I think your, your explanation is perfect. The only thing I'll add here is I've been on record on a number of podcasts saying the Panini era is, bar none, going to be the best. Was the best era of wrestling cards, period. I, I, I. No one is going to convince me otherwise. But you have to be prepared for this take to be true. And I think like, we were only a year and a couple of months into this, so it's really hard to say that this has already done more than anything else in the pre. Like, we're only a year into this and they didn't have a great 2025. So like, I think we have to be prepared for this to be true in the future. I think the future, yes. I think the future. You're right. Yeah. Because we Know, we know that they're going to get more cooperation all around the brand team and everything like that to do more things as more eyes continue to come on. Because let's be honest, Tops is focused lately is we just got the football license, we just got the basketball license. They got to put a lot of effort, energy in and they've done a phenomenal job. I think WWE is eventually going to get a lot more eyes on it, a lot more accessibility to that area and I think they're going to be able to do more things than we could ever imagine. So in the future, yes, I gotta say, at the moment, the marketing, yes. But I think as we could, yes, again, this is, I'm excited to see what they could do in the future. I mean I, I want, I always want to see something better. I always want to. You know, just when Brady retired and he was done, he's the goat of all time. I want to see somebody be better than Brady. You know, I want to, I want to see that in my life. I want to be able to go, wow, this guy was better than that. I don't want to go, oh no, nobody's ever going to be better than this guy. I want to be open minded. I want to say, holy crap, Albert Poulos and Barry Bonds. What a time to be alive. To watch both those athletes play in the respected sport. I always root for something else better, not just an athlete. Just in this situation right here. I want to just go, wow. Wow, they just did that. That's awesome. Cannot wait to see what they do next. Yeah, I think like man, Panini did some incredible stuff and they, they made this Topps era possible. So like what Panini did in 22 through 24 made this era possible. And even though we all say, well, Topps has access, we have this, we have that. Like, I don't, I don't think that there's a future that exists where this isn't true. And that's, I think we. It's not true right now, but it will be. All right. I want to rapid fire some of these. I'm not going to go through all of them because these are from the community and I, I love some of them. They were so funny. So at cards. Cards. Cards. What up, John? Shout out John Y. He says Obafemi cards are going to dip high ride and Adam, depending on how they play store line, it'll dip. It'll be a good buy. Dip could be if he does. If they dip. Buy the dip, buy the dip, buy the Dip. They dip buy. Because there, there's, there's a rocket that's. There's a friggin missile on that man. Let's be honest. Yeah, I'd say. I'd say that one's a two pepper one. Big Al's cards Topps needs a program to reward wrestling super collectors and bring more eyes to the space. I like that. Definitely agree with this. We are both super collectors. I've talked to them about this. This is something that I brought up to Jeremy and the team. I really hope they take this under advisement. That's sort of a one pepper one because I think that's what everybody wants at Cool Figs. Great. Always listens. Love him. Too many moments cards. Quote unquote moments cards. Would rather have the studio shots. I cannot disagree with this one more like I'm sorry dude. I want action photography. I hate the studio shots. I want action. So this is a. This is a hot. This is a four pepper for you. Yes. Wrestling is about moments. It's about memories. I'm with you on this one. I'm all about the moment. So I disagree. Yeah, that's a four pepper one. At Gold Blooded Collectibles, another big listener. Cosmic is dookie. Always has been, always will be. Every sport. I'd give that a 2 or 3.3 pepper. I don't know if I agree with that. It's not complete dookie. But it has some improved room for improvement. For sure. Yep. I'm gonna agree all right. At dgv collects 101s are overrated. Too many available in one product. The same wrestler. Oh, this is. This is a 4 pepper one. I don't even know where to start here. There are a lot of one on ones. There are a lot of one on ones. Are they overrated? In some cases that Brett brought it up. Liquid great cards are not always liquid cards. I think it kind of fits into that. I don't think one on ones are overrated. Especially for some of the ones that they've been creating the last five, 10 years. I disagree with this one. Yeah. I've got a great relationship with leaf belief just makes too many damn one on ones. And they know that. And I think if that's overrated in this one, I mean I think the true collectors want to get as many one on ones as they can within the budget they're willing to spend. You're trying. If you're ripping or you're. You're trying to pull your goals to pull one on one. It. It really is you Want to pull that one on one? Because hey, you can, you could charge X or Y or Z. You know, it could be a higher market. So I think one on ones are very desirable collectible. I don't think they're overrated. But with Leaf and Wild Card. Yeah, I'll give you that. At Ryan, Ryan Zarowski, we go back and forth on main event all the time. Until Topps figures out a way to get WWE collectors to value rookies like other collectors do and get relevant rookies into the product quickly. WWE cards will never act or reach the heights of other sports. I'd give that three or four peppers. That's an interesting take. It is. I, I like that take. I think that's a good thought about take because the one thing people got to remember, a wrestling wrestler's longevity could be a very long time and sometimes it takes time and if you're patient enough, the rewards could benefit. Because let's be honest with you, some of these people that get one gimmick name becomes somebody else eight years down the line could have been a 20 year old and takes time. I mean that happens in sports, but it's, it's hard. And the biggest thing is a lot of these wrestlers are fake names. So they're not real most of the time. So I think that goes hand in hand. And if again, Walter was, Gunther was Walter in 22 prism. So I mean like Walter was in Tops before. So it's a little, little battle. I kind of agree. That's why it's a three or four pepper take. Yeah, I, I, I'll, I'll. Ryan Ryan nailed it. But like, yeah, rookies need to be more important. I, I agree with Ryan on that and I, I know he's a big proponent of collecting the rookies and stuff like that. So I don't think that's a bad position to be in if you're buying those at lower values. Knowing that, hey, the NXT guys, the guys becoming like it's prospecting, like that's what this is and I think it's a great take. Dex. Brett wanted us to cover this take specifically. He hates Bron Breaker. Brett written all over this. So Dexter on Twitter, if you don't follow Dexter, go check him out at dexflowtoys. One Bron Breaker is overrated to me. If you are investing in men's wrestlers, it's Obitrick and Logan Paul. Logan Paul doesn't have cards. So that's other than the tops now ones. I don't think it's going to happen in the foreseeable future. But I don't agree that Bron Breaker is overrated as much as Brett and Dex do. Dexter definitely tugged at some heartstrings from Brett here, but Bron Breakker has really seen a dip in value ever since. He sort of liked that injury which sort of took him off the track he was on. So I, I, I think his values are. We're a little bit overinflated for sure. So that's where this is like a two or three pepper one. But yeah, I, I don't disagree that Oba and Trick are, are huge investments now for sure. Yeah. I think Trick is still a really good buy if you follow his market. He's, he's very affordable compared to Breaker. I would rather buy Trick over Breaker, I think, I think just because of what Trick's cards are going for versus Breaker, I, I think Trick's got such a promising future. Oba's right now are scorching hot. Could they get hotter? Yeah. Could they dip first? Yeah, very possible. So I don't think Breaker's overrated. I'm with you again. The, the injury and everything like that, but they have a bright future for him lined up. Breaker is, got the it factor, in my opinion. He's gonna be there. He's a legacy too. So. Yeah. All right. At FHJ733, stupid arguments among the community bring down everyone and make wrestling collectors look bad and inexperienced. This is a two pepper take because it's not even a question. It's absolutely true. So I mean, like, this is, this isn't even really a hot take. This is just if you're, if you're in one of those arguments and I've been in them, trust me, I'm very experienced in this. Ryan, you never come. People don't like that. People don't like me, man. People don't like me. I am a heel in real life. And I definitely agree that stupid arguments, especially petty grudges and stupid shit like, yeah, it brings down every. Everyone makes us look bad. Agree? 100. Yeah, I'm just gonna leave it at that, dude. So, yeah. All right, last take. And we've gone a little bit long here on this, but the rule of 44, stop saying this thing or that thing ruined wrestling cards and only ruined it for you. Thanks for the show, boys. This is. This again, not, not a spicy take, but it's one that needs to be said, so I'll give it a two pepper. Yes. I see this so much. I'm gonna scream into the microphone. I see this all the time. And I'm glad somebody sent this in via my thing on Instagram because, like, I hate seeing people say this thing or that thing ruined sports cards or ruined wrestling cards. Yeah, it only ruined it for you because we're all having a fucking blast, man. Yeah, I don't use the word. I don't like using the word hate or anything like that. And yeah, with you, I'm just gonna end it with that. There you go. All right. That was Hot Takes Wrestling card edition. Hope that was fun, Ryan. That was fun. I love, I love getting you fired up, man. It's always. It was good. I, I, I again, with my brain, the way I think things. I, I like it because I have no idea what's coming. And I get to process what I honestly think at the moment and, and I make you better. I'm trying to make you better. You do make me better. You're sure you come into your shop and throw these things around? You are prepared, Brad. All right, let's get into some big sales really fast here. There was a couple of big ones from Royalty, a couple ones from Cosmic. I want to cover this dual autograph relic booklet of Gunther and lvid to Kaiser sold via. Via best offer on eBay for $4,500. This is the 101 dual relic auto booklet from Royalty. Awesome looking card. Really cool patches, too. They looks like there's some stitching in both of the relics. Big number here. I, Chad did not get it, so I'm sure somebody who's a big Gunther collector actually did. Well, this is a lot of money for a card. Half the car. The guy's retired. Luba Kaiser's retired from wrestling. You never got to see it again. So he should stay retired. I hope he does. I hope so, too. Yeah. The star fractor from Alexa Bliss. The one of one. This is a weird set, man. Like, can I just say, I don't understand star fractors. It's kind of like sapphire, where they have like, the pink one of ones and they're not super fractures. I don't really, really get it. But the Alexa Bliss sold via auction, and it's not a zero feedback guy, so it sold for $2,649. It was out of China, so I think this is probably under maybe what the value is just because people don't want to deal with the importing and stuff like that. I know I'm, I'm there. And China is a sore subject for me with Importing cards at the moment, but yeah, 2,649. I mean, it seems about right where I would have expected this to go, given that. Yeah. For Alexa, for her market. Yeah. Mid twos. That's about right. I don't know what the starfractors tend to go for. I think the Wemby's and the Cooper flags probably go for multiple tens of thousands of dollars, but for like, people who are. I don't know what they. What they sell for in other sports, but this was a big number for me or a big sort of point in data to sort of base my understanding of some of the other cards. I think I got Becky really cheap. Not the one of one, but other ones. And so I think, like, maybe the star fractures haven't caught on as much. We'll see. No, I'm. I'm not huge on them, but it's 101, so. Yeah. Overrated speaking. They're overrated. Speaking of one of ones, the one of one Roman Reigns Cosmic Base Super Fracture sold for 24, 25. This was an auction. Did go to a legit bidder. It looks like it sold on ebay last week or this week, actually. Awesome photo. I. I'm not. I've said a million times I'm not a fan of the base design, but I think the base one of ones look better than the autograph Super Fracture one of ones because it doesn't have that obscuring window where they sort of had to have the people sign. This card looks pretty cool, though. No, the. The car looks great itself. I think this is actually a pretty good buy, in my opinion, for Roman his market. I. I think being Cosmic Chrome, it's a first year in wwe. Maybe the last. We don't know. I think this. Whoever got this got a pretty good buy, in my opinion. I think this is. Yeah, I think this is low. I would have expected this to go in the four. Yeah. Kind of what I thought when you guys. When I saw this. I expect to see that closer to the four. Ish 4,500. So go. Keep going fast here because we're. We're already running over shocker there. John Cena's 2007 Chrome Heritage number one. So this is the card number one in the set out of super fracture. Out of 25. Sold for $2,250. I saw this number and I was like, wow, that is a lot of money for a card out of 25. Yeah, that's. Again, I get what the set is. They were super fractured 25. They. If you ever want to look for these, make sure that they are serial numbered ones. The. There's a bunch of no number ones out there. They're so valuable. They're more or less backdoor type ones or whatever kind of got off the printer or whatever like that. But you want to have the ones that actually serial numbered up 25. I think there's one of the best looking older John Cena cards. Like the photo is great. The design is. Is from a really iconic year of baseball. Baseball. Yep. And I mean those even go look at those baseball, you know, heritage ones that these are based off of. It's. It's awesome. But the, the Cena thing is continuing to show that his value has room to grow. These never come up for auction. I think the Batista even sold for like a thousand dollars or something. But seeing John Cena go for 22.50. I'm. I'm not like, I, I'm. I want to say I'm not shocked, but I'm still shocked. They. They continue to. I. I think this will go up. I think this will continue to go up. All right, one second. Can I add a card to that, please? Yeah, please do. I gotta. I want to tell a story in the card real quick. I know it gets time. So the card. Thousand dollars sold for it because I bought it. Pretty cool story. The Randy Orton again. Back to my terrible luck. Yes, back to my terrible luck with the tops now stuff. The WrestleMania sets that came out. What were they? 70 bucks. 70 bucks. What about 25? 30? I can't remember. Maybe 50 of these damn things. I am done ever buying another tops now ever again. We. I ripped my kid. Let my ribs. My kids. My kids ripped them. And I think the best we got was like number to 25s. Horrible. The guy on Facebook post, he buys one. Doesn't do a lot of wrestling, but he bought one. He said he saw something online, buys one, hits the Randy Orton Gold 1 of 1. They call the gold foil fractor foil fractal. That's it. Hits it. The image on this card is The Randy Orton St. Louis shirt, which he only wore once when he was at Smackdown St. Louis, which I was at with my family, with my staff. We burn out. Sweet. And witness went to. So obviously I wanted this card surfaces. Thank you to everybody on Facebook. They tagged me. Long story short, the guy hits me up. DM messaged me on Facebook. We started talking. He said it could be this. This. He said, I. I'm hearing 400 up to a thousand. Ria did 1500. I said, look, Ria is going to always bring more than Randy just with her market. I think this card is in the 78 range. However, I'm willing to pay a thousand dollars because I was there and he's like, perfect, done deal. The money is going to help out for something personal. I said, that's awesome. Noticed the guy was in St. Cloud, Minnesota. I said, what are the odds you're pretty close to Monticello? And he said, 15 minutes. I said, would you like to. Would you be willing to meet me? My buddy shot this in like two days and I'll meet you there and give you the money. He's like, sure. I don't go work too late. This guy's name is also Ryan. I want to give a shout out to Ryan again. Doesn't probably listen to the podcast or anything, but he came there for the crazy grand opening, which Adam was at. Tons of people don't think the guy knew what he expected, but came in, I met him, I got a picture with him holding the card. I'm going to post that at some point and maybe before after this podcast. But what are the odds that that kind of all came together? And again, it's. It just shows you how amazing the wrestling card community is that enough people were tagging me. And the guy's like, I'm here and you're the guy. And I said, you know what? This card, I want this card to go with me, but what are the odds that you're going to be so close to where I am? I've been in Minnesota in two years or whatever it was this weekend, so. Really cool story. Thousand hours. Bought it. Don't care if it's worth 600, 700, 800. It's. It's a perfect car for my collection. I had terrible luck with those sets too. I did. I had worse luck than you did, I think. Done with Tops now. Yeah, Tops now makes sense. When it's a moment that you care about. That obviously is something that resonated with you because you were at the show. It's a great looking card. I love the way that they look. Those sets did not treat me well. Glad you got the 101. I'm still out there looking for the Becky for sure. Both the I do it. I did get, as I've said on the podcast, I got the autograph one on one. I'm looking for the base one on one of the night one cards and I. I am looking for the WrestleMania autograph. So there there were on card autographs for that set so that I still want to see like how those I haven't seen how they look on ebay. Yeah, I'm curious how they look with the card, how they change the card stock. Great story though. Shout out to the community for helping Ryan with that one. I they helped me too. I can't say enough good things. We we talk about all the time. Thank you. Let's acknowledge our sponsors for wrestling card takeover. Approaching a month, my friend. Approaching a month. I cannot believe it. MC Sports Cards we've mentioned a couple of times Sports car junction, Chad a Brando and John and everybody Rudy, everybody at the team at card shop live. Great work that they do there. For bless online use code takeover. 20 get 20 off your phase. Your first pack. They just did some awesome wrestling packs this weekend for father's day. I I ended up pulling a few really nice cards. Card ladder we talk about all the time. Chris, Christina, Josh, everybody there amazing team. 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In that vein we've always talked about, and you mentioned this all the time, you break with the people that you like. You said you want to support them, you want to. And you did, like you told me in Minnesota too, like when you were here, like, I want to support my friends. I want to. I will buy. To make sure that they get my support as well. So that brought me to this question. We have five breakers, give or take, that are part of the sponsorship of Wrestling Card Takeover. What in your mind makes a good breaker? Here are some of the Card Vault Mama breaks, Card Shop Live Wax Culture Bless does a bunch of breaks as well. We break with all of these guys. Personally, what do you think makes a good breaker? If we're going to talk wrestling cards in general with this, I honestly think the most important thing to me is that their knowledge of wrestling, that they can actually pronounce the wrestler names, they could tell stories. They, they know the, the brand, they understand the wrestling card scope. Watch wrestling in general, you know, that's big. I think how the entertainment is with these breakers, how they hold themselves on camera, the excitement that they get with you because they're like, hey, I love this wrestler, or resonate with that. Those are important also, again, how they conduct their business, how well they process orders, those are key things. There's a lot to go with it. But when it's a wrestling scope, I think the most important for me thing is is knowing the actual wrestling brand, not the product, the brand of wrestling. And knowing of being up with the storylines, knowing that Oba's on fire right now, knowing that where we're at with things, I think those are very important things. And that's why the names that we have here are ones that are the best, in my opinion, some of the best in this industry at ripping wrestling cards. Because there's people who are predominantly main sports and they do wrestling because they get allocation. But I can't go in there and support them because I'm like, dude, you couldn't pronounce that name. You don't know what you're talking about, you could care less about that car because you're just breaking it. Because you have to break it. I don't want to break with people like that. I want to break with people who care about the cards, who care about the industry, who care about the wrestling community. Yeah, agreed. And we partnered with these five because of how much they mean to us as collectors and what we do with them. I mean, I. I almost exclusively break with these five people, but. And I talk about all the things that they bring to the table. Community building especially is. Is a big sort of thing for me is like, you get to know the people in the rooms, you get to know the breakers. Breakers really build sort of like that entertainment value in the community. But here's a couple of things. Number one, I like breakers who are entertaining. I like them, you know, as the sort of MC of the break. It takes a long time to fill break sometimes and be having somebody on camera who knows what they're doing, can talk wrestling with the crew. Like, all of those things like Ryan just mentioned, really help to make that time pass by more easily. And also, they're not doing it. They're not purposely doing things to manipulate the prices in their breaks. They're not like, trying to, like, extend out a break so that they can get more money out of it. They're. They're fair to their customers. They do that. And that's why I think, like, I used to like Car Shop Live has been doing wrestling for a very long time. Stephanie's been doing wrestling for a really long time. Blez has been doing wrestling for a very long time. Like, all of these guys, they know how to do this. And I want to shout out RGL as well, because he does a tremendous job. Yeah, there's. There's a lot more here that aren't on this list that we. That. That we both break with. Yeah, exactly. Just the ones. Again, we didn't want to go overboard, but, you know, if a lot of them reached out, there's a couple we didn't go with because they elected to do something else. But there's a lot of other great ones. These are just the ones that are partnering with us. So just know that we're not sitting here saying these. Yeah, we're just like, these are the spots of the wrestling. That's the reason why. But rgl, James Good's great. Know, they're those people, the all star, the all sports ones, the all star ones, whatever. We break with those. There's a lot more that. That you And I both break with Latent Sports Card to do a lot with as well, too. So. Yeah. And like Alex and Breaker Mayfield, mmark. Like, I mean, there's a million guys out there that do. I don't want people thinking, oh, they just out in. We're not trying to say that. Yes. Because these people also do the same things that we're talking about. Yes, exactly. But I think the. The most important thing is, like, number one, I don't like breakers who complain about prices in the stream. I think that's really something that drives professional, unprofessional. I like the pros. I want to break with somebody who's a pro. They ship fast. Shipping is a huge part of what makes a good breaker secure. When you hit a big card, they package it differently. Stuff like that really adds to the experience. But I think most importantly, like, that on camera, talent really is. Is what sets a lot of them apart. And these five that we're mentioning here as part of the sponsors, like, they are people who have great people on camera. And like, you know, I've talked to David Filthbaum about this as well. Like, it's really made to the point. Dave. Yeah. Makes it a point to be very engaging on camera, and he always welcomes people into the room and stuff like that. I've talked about it with him a number of times. And, like, those are the types of things I think drive so many aspects of our industry. And I always hear breakers have ruined this hobby, and I cannot disagree with that more. I think they do a valuable service in a lot of spicy take. Yeah. So anyways, I. I think I just wanted to call this out because we always talk about, hey, we break with these people because we love them. Well, let's actually say what makes them great. And I think we. We've covered that here. Good point. Anything else you want to cover on this topic before we wrap up here? No, I think you and I both kind of hit that again. There's so many other people we would love to shout out, obviously, on this, but again, I. I'm gonna go with everything that Adam said. I. I'm standing by what I said, you know, and Tops is very big and Fanatics is big on this as well. They want to partner with the best of the best breakers. They want to make sure that you're doing this and not just in wrestling, but this is important. They want to show, you know, they're partnering with us as shops department Breakers. They want to make sure that you're giving out entertainment that you're staying positive that they want to allow you to get their product to invest in, you know, so this is something that just isn't in this space. This is something Tom's fanatics, the higher ups, are very big about and, and rightfully so. It should be, you know, we want you to walk in our shop and feel welcome. We want to give you entertainment, we want to give you a great place to go. These breakers are doing the same thing. They're, you know, with breaking with a shop. You have to travel and go to it. With the breaker, you just open up your phone, you can go to whatnot, you can go to the next live. You go to YouTube also, you have competition everywhere at your fingertips. Different in a shop, you have to go to it. This is where like, what are you doing to differentiate yourself than the other people? Are you conducting everything correctly? These are important things. And your chance is you may have a split second to gain a new customer by the way you hold yourself and engage with the community. Yeah. And this is something that I think Swish does better than anybody in this space is he builds relationships at Blez with everybody who are his best customers. And I love working with him because he makes it easy. Make it easy. Social media is also a big thing. I totally forgot to talk about that. Breakers who can't function on social media. You need to pick up your game, stop using AI graphics, use your tool sets the best you can. Like, really invest the time. And I think it'll pay off in. In the long run. Yep. Find ways to be awesome to your community, to your people, like to your employees, to your collect. I mean, all that stuff. Well, we've beat this to death on a number, but just wanted to call out that as a topic here. I think that's it. Another hour and a half long show. This one was fun though. You got it. I thought we were getting this done an hour, but you threw me for a curveball. I didn't know all this is coming. Thanks, Adam. I've been gone for four days. I got a lot of support. No, this is fun. This is what it's about. I like these curveballs. It was a good time, a good podcast, great seeing you again this week. And my friend, hey, I haven't seen you in years and I get to see you in like a month, twice in like a month, like in like a 40 day span. So I'm excited. So this has been fun. Yeah, we're. I'll. We're gonna. I keep hinting of what we're gonna do next week. I don't know what we're gonna do next week. We're gonna find something awesome. I mean, we're coming to the countdown, man. We're gonna be less than almost 30 days out from that. I know. We got to do our national show. Yeah, we got. We gotta start getting on that. Maybe we'll get some of these guests on too or from our sponsors, who knows? We got some things up our sleeve. But I hope everybody has a wonderful week weekend whenever you're listening to this. And happy Father's Day to all the dads out there. Yes. Happy hour by the time you listen to us is about a week past. Enjoy. Enjoy the matches this week and hopefully we get. Hopefully we will come on next week and be complaining all week. But with that, we'll see you next week. Big gulp. See you later. Always enjoy the banter. It was good to have Ryan and Adam digging into your questions or your hot takes, I guess. Always appreciate, appreciate the rapport and your engagement from the community wrestling cards forever. I'm having so much fun in this space. Hopefully you are too. Until next week. Take care. We'll talk to you soon.