Breaking News: SGC Is Increasing Turnaround Times- Surface Issues With Mike and Graig

In our massive country, there are card collectors throughout the land participating in the hobby. There's Mike of Junk Wax Hero and Greg of Midlife Cards. And while distance may separate them, here is where they come together to talk cards. Hey, buddy. How's it going? You're back. I'm back. Yes. I was in the Netherlands last week, which, you know, you had that other. That's German. It's similar. They speak Dutch. Dutch, I think is based on German or. I don't know. I'm. I'm not very smart. Greg, can I tell you something? I have some Dutch ancestry. Okay, good story. That's the whole story. Yeah, pretty. Pretty good stuff. What did you think of David Chase's fill in for you is. Do you have any thoughts on that? Do you have any opinions or feelings or feedback for David. What was his name again? The David Chase. So I listened to it and I was in a little distress because my arch nemesis, David Chase is after the same exact cards that I'm after. Iconic, low grade, high eye appeal cards. It's just the two of you that are into those, by the way. I am a huge David Chase fan and I think, you know, we've mentioned this before, but I think it bears a little bit of a reminder that David Chase and I are buds. We get along great. And this little back and forth, it's just for fun. We're not. We don't seriously dislike each other, but people always get caught up in. In defending me or. Or insulting me. But I think David Chase is an up and coming star in the hobby. Hobby content. He is funny. He has a ton of charisma. He's smart, he's knowledgeable, that he's got it all. Stukes best smile in YouTube. Best smile in YouTube. That's what stukes said. David very proudly shared that with me. So you haven't heard Stuke saying that like you? He just claims that Stuke said that. That's a fair point. That's a fair point. David does say that you owe him an apology. Do you want to use this opportunity to do that? I would love to not bring. Give him an apology. There's no chance. There's no way I'm gonna give him an apology. Oh, boy. Okay. Well, I definitely. We have, so. Oh, there's other news. We got to talk. We got at least talk about real quick the fact that the clubhouse just expanded dramatically. We went from a trio to a quadrio. There's four of us now. Four of us. With the addition of Jeremy Lee, which I'm Thrilled about. Yeah, me too. Jeremy's amazing. I mean, he's no David Chase, but he discovered David Chase. Did you hear what Matt from Providence had to say about the acquisition of Jeremy Lee to the clubhouse? I. I have not heard. Oh, he said, could you. I. I'm gonna misquote him, but it's. I'm paraphrasing here, so please. I should have pulled the clip, but he said something along the lines of, could you imagine to sign up to be the second best bald guy on the channel? That's. So that's something Matt from Providence would say. We have to. I've got to clip that, and I'm gonna play it on every video now. Yes, that's perfect. I. I appreciate Matt from Providence, even though he never texts me back. He just, like, thumbs up or hearts my texts. Like, what. What is that, Matt? It sounds like he texts with everyone else based on their episodes. So I don't know, maybe he's busy being, you know, one of the top 35 dealers in New England. So. Yeah, cards in. The. Cards in the Midwest are. Are popular. Isn't that where New England is? Yes, same thing. Big Matt from Providence fan. Big Jeremy Lee fan. Thrilled to add Jeremy Lee to our stable. Do we have a stable? Becoming a stable. We just added Secretariat, so it's becoming a stable for sure. Yeah. I mean, I'm. I'm really happy about it. We have a few topics. There's a. A few places we could go today with. With some of the things that are happening and. And I guess where I think I want to start. This is a friend of mine in the hobby who I've met through the channel, who. I'm not going to use his name because I didn't. I didn't ask him if I could use his name. And he's not like a public Persona, per se, but he has several submissions out right now at sgc. And, you know, the turnaround time. What are they saying, like, 50 days or something? I think it was 40 to 50 business days. So it's past that. And it's past the 40 to 50 days. Well past that. Right? Well past that. And he emailed them. He emailed customer support, and he said, what. What's the deal? Because it's. It's past the 40 to 50 days. Yeah, it's at about 60 business days. I think this is a really interesting response that he got. So I did white out his name, just again, because I didn't ask. But Alejandro Marquez is the guy from SGC Support that Responded and I'm going to read the email which is currently viewed on the screen again. I clipped it. It's on the screen and I want to read it for the people who can't read it for themselves because they're listening. It says hello. Due to the current volume of submissions that our team is processing, we have made the decision to increase our turnaround times to accurately reflect the current processing speeds that SGC is operating under. Please note that this change and delays are not exclusive to sgc. A majority of the grading services are experiencing the same delays due to higher than normal volume of submissions being sent and have made similar decisions to increase the turnaround times. And service fees. And service fees. Regards. Now this is dated May 21 and today is May 22. Now give me your immediate takeaways when you see this because my buddy sent this. He, he told me about it yesterday and then this morning I mentioned it to you. I got a hold of the email and so we haven't really talked about it. But you're aware of it. What is your takeaway? Because what is your takeaway? Yeah, first of all, we should say, please don't go emailing Alejandro. This is not his fault. Don't. Don't harass him via email. It's shocking to me that they. Well, I guess it shouldn't. It's shocking but not surprising if that makes sense. But they've gone from five to ten business days to. Well, we're going to do what I think it was at one point, 20 to 30 and then it was 40 to 50 and now we're talking about 60ish business days and it's still not ready. Right. Doesn't it say here? No. So he, there was another. There was. He, he was under the impression that they were going to be grading it this week. I think he responded to this. And then in that response, which I didn't clip, it said your, your order should be graded in the next like week. And it's been there like since, I don't know, like February or January or something. Right? Yeah, it's. I mean this is breaking news, we should point out, because we, I don't think this has been announced anywhere else. Nobody else has has this information that SGC is increasing their turnaround times. And, and so we've, we've kind of reversed the spin of the earth here. But yeah, I mean, yeah, putting our show on Saturday so we could break this news. And then this week in Sports Cards with Chris Sewell will post on Tuesday here on Sports Car Clubhouse. But this is, in my opinion, it's pretty big news. It's. It's big enough news that we felt like it was important enough to post surface issues on Saturday instead of Tuesday. And this week in Sports Cards instead of being Saturday will now be Tuesday. We flipped those because I think this is a really big deal. I think the fact that SGC was A, always the cheapest, B, always the fastest, and, and now basically, if anything, it feels like if anything happens at psa, then they have to have SGC mirror it. If, if PSA increases times, then SGC has to do it too, because we don't want to make PSA look bad. That's how it feels to me now. I do think they're overwhelmed. I do think that they're behind. But they used to be grading like twice as many cards in five to ten days, then now they are grading in 60, 70. That. I don't know. They haven't made an official announcement yet, but it sounds like they're going to. So how do you go from 5 to 10 days grading twice as many? Well, the answer, Greg, is that you poach all of the graders and you have them change out their black and white Polo and put on a red, white and blue polo and you have them go to the office with air conditioning down the hall. And the free coffee. Free coffee. I mean, I don't even get free coffee. And I work for the government because. You work for the government. Oh, is that why? Yeah, yeah. It, it's so disappointing, Greg, and it's. There are so many people, you, you included, I think, who are still sending their cards to SGC, hoping that you'll get the old result when you know you're going to get the new result. I, I have an order there right now. I mean, I sent in an order. I don't even think I've mentioned this. I sent in an order like a couple of weeks ago. No, it was more than that. It was probably three weeks ago because when I tracked it, it was like a week and a half from the time that they picked it up at the post office to the time that it said received. So they're playing that. That game too. Yep. But. But a lot of us still like the way cards, especially vintage cards, look in those holders, and we still like the way that they grade. And I mean, you know, our buddy Matt from Providence, he just had a big order come back and, and a lot of people are still sending them out. I guess my question is, you know, PSA just announced they're going to hire like a thousand people and they're investing $200 million. And then I heard you, by the way. I mean, I, I just breezed over this. But I heard you on Collector Investor podcast the other day, filling in on there. And they said. And this is what I heard Jeremy say, actually, as. As I kind of change my tone a little bit here. I heard Jeremy say that when they had needed a sub, you were their first call. It was an easy decision. And I, I mean, I felt. I felt like this sharp pain in my chest and in my back at the same time. I was like, what is happening? Am I having a heart attack? That it was an easy call. He's just being nice. Theo reached out to me and, and he said, oh, it's Theo's fault. No, no. Theo said that you were the first choice. But they record during the day. I'm getting the pain again. It's coming back. They record during the day. Oh, yeah. Okay. And I will say this. You were filling in. Tell us, Mike, who were you filling in for? And tell us about this, this gentleman, Mr. Christopher Sewell III. No, I don't know if he's the third collector investor dealer, in that order, who is the sponsor of this, this show, Surface Issues. Our favorite dealer globally global. Chris Sewell Sports Cards is now a massive company. He's. He's. He's hired four people. In fact, when. When I was recording an episode with him, he mentioned at one point having the dual garage. At one point. And I meant to mention to him that. That he looked better when he had clones, and I forgot. It's a shame. If you're interested in selling part or all of your collection, reach out to Chris Sewell sportscards Gmail.com. he will provide you with the best, the fairest, most transparent offer you can get. No guarantees for me. I don't know. I mean, he's. In my opinion, he's the best, but that's very subjective. And he's a great guy who you can trust. And in my humble opinion, the most important thing, when you're dealing with something like making purchases or making sales with cards, it's really important to trust people because there are a lot of untrustworthy people out there. And Chris is somebody that I do deeply trust. So check out Chris if you're interested in selling. He's looking to buy collections. So back to sgc. I mean, I don't. I mean, again, I know people are like, guys, when you gonna wake up? Like they're pulling the plug. I Heard somebody say that in, in my episode, which we could talk about that too in a second. I had an episode post today. We're recording this on Friday afternoon. And somebody said, you don't get it. They're slowly pulling the plug on sgc. And I'm like, I'm like, that might be my line. Like, I, I, I mean, I agree. Like, they are. When you spend 200 million on PSA and you are hiring a thousand people. And like you were talking about with Jeremy Donson, the Texas Snowman on Collector Investor Podcast, you were like, yeah, if you do the math, they've only got like two or three graders, but PSA is going to add a thousand employees. You obviously don't care about sgc. Now that literally that hearing you and Jeremy have that conversation spurred my video that Posted today, Friday, May 22nd. And I know at one point you said, well, we should kind of touch on that too, which was, yeah, you're right. Like, if they've got like two or three graders, if their turnaround times have gone from five to 10 days to apparently now 60, 70, 80, who knows if they've got no money being invested, but they're investing tens or hundreds of millions into psa, does that mean that maybe people are going to start to only buy PSA and start to go, wait a second, maybe I shouldn't buy sgc? Which led to my episode that I did today and it was basically that question, what's happening with sgc? Are they nearing the end? And I pulled some data. Let me, let me throw a hypothetical at you and see what you think about this. Let's pretend for a moment that SGC has three graders. We don't really know, but I think it's somewhere between two and four. They have three graders. Imagine if a cold went through the office. This is exactly my question. Let's say one of them gets sick and can't go into the office and work. Are they pulling a grader off of PSA to make up for that? Or do they just say, eh, we'll grade a little bit slower at sgc? I guarantee you it's the latter. I don't think they're pulling any resources from PSA to sgc, but I think that they might be pulling resources from SGC for psa. Well, I mean, at the national last year, like, I think it was me and Tony Southern Collector were like, so, like, are you guys going to psa? Like, and, and they were like, the, the employee was very open and honest and said, they basically told us if you want to work for psa, you can now work for psa. If you want to stay with sgc, you can stay with sgc. And we were like, well, how many people said, we'll go to PSA? And they were like, like 60 or 70%. We're like, Whoa, whoa. But this is not new news, right? It's not new news, no. Were you surprised in by the fact that SGC values seem to be, at the very least holding on, or is that just. Is that more a result of rising card prices and SGC maybe being the value option? We should, we should specify though, that you're talking about iconic vintage cards, not modern. Like, I talked to Chris Sewell about this and he said ultra modern and modern have plummeted in value in SGC holders, which we would expect. Yeah, I am, I'm not that surprised because I think that they almost became kind of a bargain SGC slabs because we still believe, we still trust that the cards are authentic. Right. And you're looking at like fours, roughly mid grade. Yeah. And it kind of got to a point where the SGC vintage slabs were. Had become kind of a bargain. And then people started buying them up. I just bought an SGC slab of a Pre war card, 19th century, as a matter of fact. My first one coming in a video in the next couple of weeks. And so it makes sense for them to kind of not catch up with psa, but slow down the, the gap. I, I think when PSA stuff is going up so fast and, and I shouldn't even say PSA stuff, when cards in PSA holders are going up, it feels like, like you're saying that if, if other holders aren't going up equally or close to equally, then they become massive bargains. And then you go, well, is it a crack and resubmit? Like, I was just watching a, a video a couple of days ago where some guy was like cracking stuff out of Becket slabs and trying to cross it to PSA because of how much more value they would be. But then like, Theo did that video the other day, I think from the four Collectors channel, and he was talking to Howard Chasser and Howard was like, I have no interest in vintage cards in Beckett slabs. And it's like, well, what do you mean? What? That's a great question. Why would you. Because maybe there's a beautiful card in that holder. Okay. But it looks like. It looks terror. Like SGC slabs look terrible on an ultra modern card. I agree with that. Same thing with Beckett. I would crack it out of a Beckett slab. I would be happy to buy a card in a, in an old Beckett BVG slab at the BVG discount and I would just crack it up. Okay, but so, so you crack it out. Let's just, let's walk through that. Let's. Let's just. Let's play through this. So you get a card. Let's just hypothetically a 56 tops Jackie Robinson in BVG 3. And you go, I love the card, but it's in a Becket slap. I'm gonna crack it out and I'm gonna put it in I semi rigid or whatever. Okay, well, but, but are you ever going to get it regraded or you just going to leave it in. In the. The raw state permanently or what would you do next? If I were to grade it, it would pro. I definitely wouldn't put it in a semi rigid. I can't stand semi rigids. I put it in a one touch, but I would probably send it off to CGC to be graded. If it's staying in my collection, I'd send it to cgc. Okay, so what if. What do you worry at all about a card of some expense going from a holder to raw to a grading company and coming back as altered? What do you think that BVG missed the alteration? Well, I've just heard of many times where, when people have tried to crack and. And switch that it gets flagged as men size or evidence of. Or authentic altered. Doesn't mean that it was. Doesn't mean it was missed. Maybe it was missed, but. But I love the card. Right? Yeah, it's. Yep. So if I, let's say say PSA three of the 56 tops Jackie Robinson. I don't know what that sells for. Let's say $800. Just making that up based on what I know about the 56 tops. I have a 56 tops Jackie up on my wall right now. Let's say it's $800 in a BVG3. What is it? Five, maybe $600. Let's just go with that. Okay. And I like the card. It looks, it's perfectly fits what I'm looking for in a 56 tops, Jackie. I can't. I don't know. I just can't be bothered by if it. So if it's the same exact card. Yeah. CGC says this is altered. Well, I don't really. Aren't you flat? Aren't you potentially flushing money away like to me if. And this is. I think that this is Evolving into a, a completely separate conversation, but is a very interesting conversation which is if you have a card that you like, you like the card but it's in a holder that you don't like. Maybe you like the uniformity of SGC. You know, John 3d 80s kid, loves SGC. Everything is uniform in SGC. So he buys a card in a, in a Beckett slab, a BVG slab and he says I'm going to cross it. Isn't there risk in cracking it and sending it to sgc? I mean, and there's a lot of risks. There's the risks of putting it in the mail. There's the risk of it maybe getting a bad grade, which you don't care about the bad grade because you love the card. That's fine. There's the risk of it going well. No, it, it. We think it's trimmed, we think that there's color added, we think that there's XYZ issue. I think cracking it. Anytime you crack and you resubmit to anyone, even if it's the same company, you are taking a risk that that card will get deemed some other thing. Isn't that, isn't that part of the equation that you have to consider when you're doing that process? Absolutely. Yeah. But I'm, I'm unlikely to buy a BVG slab just because I don't think you love the card, but you love the card. But I, I don't think they have a good reputation. So does it look a amazing because it's trimmed or it's had color added? I think with BVG you just don't really know. I think that's really important what you just said that you, your, you know, all of the data and, and anecdotal evidence and conversations use currently sit in a state where you are unsure of the competencies or validities or the of, of a BVG graded card. And isn't, isn't that potentially part of the reason that cards in those holders sell for less? Because there are enough people who don't trust it? Sure. But why does CGC slabs sell for less? Everybody knows that CGC is a good grading company. Reliable, trustworthy, they get it right. Do they? They make mistakes just like any company. But seems to me like there's fewer of them. I mean we open questions about a George Sherm T206 card, but slabs look amazing unlike BVG slabs. I think that we all have opinions and baggage that we bring to the table. I'll be honest with you If I go up to a vintage dealer and there's a card in a Beckett slab and there's a card in a CGC slab, I don't think I'm interested if it's a very expensive card. Now, that doesn't mean either one of them isn't fantastic. And that also doesn't mean that if it's in a psa, because I know that this is what I know. There are people that are just furious right now because they're saying, oh, so you don't think cards in SGC or PSA holders are trimmed and colored, added and, and altered? Of course there are. Of course there absolutely are. But if for whatever reason it's universally accepted that if it's in a PSA holder, everybody just goes, well, must be legit. Yeah, but if they say it's in a BVG holder, it. It's probably legit that that is the delta in the value of the price. And I don't know how PSA was able to create that difference in doubt. The doubt difference is less in psa. And that's why when you watch a video like what Teapot did, where Teapot was, you know, cracking the same card and sending it to all the companies and the grades were just absolutely all over the place, sometimes altered, sometimes eights or nines or four fours and fives, that, that is the kind of thing that has the potential to be a major disruptor to the whole concept of grading. And the guys like John Mangini who've been saying for a while, this is, this whole thing, you guys, is a racket. It is like, hard to argue, right? Yep. I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I mean, you know, I've shared my opinion on all of it many times. I guess the way I look at it is if I buy a card in an SGC holder, that's probably its final resting place. And if I buy a card in a PSA holder, it's probably its final resting place because of my level of trust is high enough. Ma. The presentation of those two slabs for me is high enough. I think CGC looks better for modern stuff than vintage stuff, personally. So it wouldn't be the final resting place for me. Therefore, I'm just not going to really go down that road because I'm going to have to crack it or I'm going to have to try to cross it over. And there's a level of risk to that. So I just rather not participate there. Even if I love the card and the card isn't messed with. It's never leaving the slab for me if it's in a PSA or an SGC holder. And yeah, so yeah, isn't there a bit of a market inefficiency though where if a card goes for a thousand dollars in a PSA 5 let's say and you see an SGC card that looks like it would be a PSA 5, like there is a, like a 80% chance you're going to get a 5 or even better and that card sells for $700. Isn't there a little bit of a market inefficiency there that you could exploit by buying the SGC card and crossing it over to a PSA slab and now you have a thousand dollar card or maybe even more that you bought for 700 bucks. And isn't it possible that the opposite is true? Because I'll tell you right now something that my dad has done several times because my dad prefers SGC slabs. He, he prefers the look of the SGC slab. So what he was doing for a couple of years is he was buying some of these cards in PSA four fours that just look amazing and I did a couple of videos on this and showed some of the examples. Like it's like a PSA4 that looks amazing. He cracked it and submitted it to SGC and get like a seven and now it's in a seven. So yes there's an inefficiency. The direction of this card is selling for less in an SGC holder. So if you could get in a PSA holder with the same grade then it adds value and, but vice versa of the undergraded card in PSA going to SGC getting a potentially a higher grade. But the, the reason that that game is basically on life support is because of the turnaround times now. Yeah, if it takes 120 or 50. 50. How many days is it for PSA now? 140 to 160 business days. That's seven or eight months. My gosh, it is May and that's only climbing by the way. Do you think that these thousand people they're hiring are going to be up and running in the next six months? Probably not, dude. That 140 to 160 could be 180 to 200 within the next three months. I mean you're probably getting the card. If you submit a card today to PSA you're probably getting it back in 2027. Right. Is insane. When I submitted. So I submitted some cards to SGC in December. At the time, the turnaround time was 15 to 20 days. But while it was in their possession, they changed it to this, like, whatever, 40 days. They. They decided, wow. After, by the way, after they received my money. Yeah. And it was advertised as 15 to 20 days. They turned it into 40 or whatever. And they took every bit of the 40ish days. Yep. That. Okay, let me just play. Let me put on a tinfoil hat for a second and let me ask you something. Do you think it's possible that SGC could be grading more cards faster and they are simply grading them slower? Because A, they already have their money and B, if they grade too fast, it might pull people away from PSA because they need the card back quick. Do you think that that's possible or do you think that they're truly at max efficiency? Oh, they're definitely not at max efficiency. They could pull one person over and gain 30 efficiency. I think it's possible what you're proposing there, but I think it's unlikely. I don't think a slight improvement at SGC would make any dent whatsoever in PSA's numbers. I mean, I think for a while I thought PSA might be hoping to reduce their demand. So I don't see anything. So you don't think they say, don't grade too fast, graders. You think they're like. You don't think. And I mean, I mean dead. I'm just, I'm just throwing out a hypothetical. You don't think it's possible that. That SGC is purposefully grading slowly, do you? So let me throw this back at you. So they've got guys making 25 bucks an hour at PSA to grade X number of cards a day, and they're making 25 bucks an hour at SGC. And you think that they'd be okay with them grading 75% of that number just because. Just saying. Just slow it down a little bit. Or is it more likely that they have bled SGC drive by pulling graders away and being okay when one grader is out sick for a few days? Well, let me just be clear that I'm not saying that this is what's happening. What I am simply throwing out to chew on is is it possible that that's happening? But with that said, let me give you an example. I know somebody who worked for the state, okay? And they were doing so much work so quickly, their supervisor said, bro, you need to slow down because if you do too much work, they're not going to need as Many of us, and they're gonna have to cut back. So what you need to do is your max capacity needs to go down so that we all can keep our jobs because you're doing too much work. And they're gonna go, we don't need five people. We just need two good people. Like, this is what the dude was told. So is that impossible now again, private company. I said, I said it's very possible. Private company versus versus government is different. I think that's one really, really bad manager. Is it? Because if, if I were that person's manager, I would be hammering on the other four people saying, hey, we need to increase our work. You, you, you sound like a private sector guy. I am. I've been private sector my whole adult life. I know. I, I agree with you. I don't think that they're doing it. I, I do think, in all seriousness, that they have pulled as many resources as possible to their cash cow where the profit margin is higher. And, and they've left SGC with just enough scraps to survive, but nothing more. And, and that's, that's, that's the issue. I, I think if five people showed up at SGC today to get a job as a grader, they would say was, you didn't. You didn't stop by the office next door at PSA first? Because, like, go there and if they're not interested, then come back. That's how it, that's what I think is probably actually happening. I think SGC would say, sorry, we're not hiring. Really? You think if I went, you think I go down to Boca Raton? Gosh, I wish I lived in somebody down there. I'm being dead serious. Somebody go down there who lives in that area of Florida. I don't even know where Boca Raton is. I just know it's in Florida. You go to the SGC office and go in there and say, are you accepting applications? Are you hiring? I would love, I would love to hear that. I will say this is it indeed. Is that one of the hiring things I googled and you're googling it right now. I can see your eyes. I was looking to see if they were hiring and I couldn't find anything that sgc. I even asked, AI, is SGC hiring? And why would they be? Well, I know, fun fact. Why. Why wouldn't they be? Why would. Why wouldn't a private business be hiring right now if they are so far behind that they are extending out their service time because they're bleeding and dry? Right. Fun fact. Boca Raton. Correct. Correct. Mike. Pettyism. Boca Raton means mouse mouth in English. Well, I got the boca part. Oh, rattan. That makes sense. Rat is raton and boca is mouth. Yeah, I. That's. I love that. Thank you. Yeah. Fun fact. Okay. Hey, I know we're up against it here, but I wanted to just say two or three weeks ago on this, this very podcast, I mentioned that I had never had a pastrami sandwich. Oh, yes. Our Friends channel, Friends at Auction Wire mailed me. I know they mailed you one, too, but you've had a pastrami sandwich. A pastrami sandwich kit from Gold Belly Deli, which is, I guess, in New York City. And I. I dove right in. I mean, I. I'm not one to be like, I've never had one before, so I'm not going to try it. And it's not just one sandwich, Greg. I have had four pastrami sandwiches. And. And they are spectacular. They are. Out of this world comes with rye bread, pastrami, a big, big thing of pastrami. You gotta supply your own cheese. So I've got provolone cheese. It came with some spicy mustard. What kind of mustard is it? It's like the spicy brown that they have at the, like the baseball games and stuff. Yeah. And Russian dressing and. Man, it is. I'm. I'm looking forward to lunch Tomorrow. I'm having another one. Are you? Yeah. I gotta say, it was a delicious sandwich, but it was a thoughtful gift. Yeah. I mean, Mark is a really nice guy and they're great guys over there, but yeah, I mean, that. How cool was that? I didn't even know what was in the mail. I literally was like, what did my wife buy this time? And then come to find out what it was. Is our buddy Mark sending us a sandwich? That was a delicious pastrami sandwich. And I guess now would be a good time to also share with everybody. There is a sports card clubhouse promo code. If you've not used Auction Wire, check out Auction wire promo code SCC. And you could use auction wire for free for 60 days. And again, the way I kind of liken it to. If you were looking for a hotel in, say, Chicago for the national, you might go to Expedia and you type in the area and you type in what you're looking for and maybe some filters in there, and then it gives you some good options. It's basically like Expedia for cards. That covers not just auction houses, but now it's starting to cover Some private dealers as well. So also, they do tickets, event tickets, too. So auction, wire. Good guys. And yes, I agree, the pastrami sandwich was chef's kiss. Lucy had one as well. She very much enjoyed it. The rest of it I ate. So Lucy got one. I ate the rest. You've eaten all of it? It's gone, dude. Oh, man. I've got one more. I think, well, when I do it, I. I go heavy on the pastrami. I pack it in there. So I probably got like, three and a half loaded sandwiches. Oh, yeah. I don't. I don't load them up. Yeah. I'm trying to delay my first heart attack as much as I can. I'm trying to expedite it. All right, well, another one in the books. Fantastic conversation with you. I mean, everything from David Chase to breaking news to auction wire sandwiches. Can I say it? Can I say it? Yeah. We fixed all the world's problems. Oh. I mean, somebody's got to do it, bud. Yeah. And we don't wear capes. We. We don't fly through the air. Tights, maybe. Tights occasionally. Only on anniversary days. All right, dude, I'm happy to have you back. David Chase, you are a superstar for trying to fill the chair. And I know, like you said, a lot of love between you and David Chase. So those of you out there that think otherwise, that is not the. That is not the case. All right, final thoughts. Anything else? Or is that plug pulled here? Pull the plug. Sort of pull the plug. Sort of like Collectors is doing to sgc.