Fanatics Fest Recap and Looking Ahead to The National

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Gemini and Chrome is here for it, ready to make anything online make sense. There's no place like Chrome. Check responses. Setup required. Compatibility and availability varies. 18 plus. All right, I'm steering the ship today. I'm gonna tell you a few things right off the bat. Number one, Timothy. What's your middle name? Michael. Is it really? That's my son's middle name. Timothy Michael McEnry from BCW is here. Sponsor of the show. That is a fact. He hasn't added anything to it yet, but that's okay. May not even do it. He is here. You want to know a real fact? 90% of the people in the hobby are named Mike. The rundown. Jesse just got back from New York. He's alive. Allegedly. He will. Talk about fanatics. It's a rundown, pal. We're not doing commentary every time. Just trying to lay out. What I'm doing is mapping. That's a thing. It's called mapping. You're like a cartographer. Yep, cartographer for the map. Okay, Jesse's gonna break down the fanatics fest. I have a little bit of commentary from someone who did not go. Tim will probably be here for that part. Great. The national guys are here because we're talking Fanfest. We'll now start talking. All right, first, we'll now start talking to national as well. The three board members, leaders, czars, will be here to kind of give us some what to look for, what to do while you're at the national. And then I've got a little update on a scammer story that I want to share with you. After Holy. To Jesse. How on a scale. Let me. I do want to ask a couple pointed questions if I can. Then I'll let you run point away. Last year, 1 through 10 fanatics fest, in your opinion was what? 1 through 10? That's a numerical one. What is a 10 though? Like can I. Can a 10 be achieved? Okay, that's a. You know what 10 perfect perfection. 10 is the greatest show. No, 9.5 is the greatest show you've been to until to date. Okay. Because then if it's better, has to have some room to grow. I'll say it was the best in compared to comparison to. Looking for a number, please. So if you compare just to off and Access, it's a 9.5. If you compare to every event you've ever been to in the hobby. In the hobby. Correct. Give me a number. Nine point. Okay, so five, I guess. Well worth your time. Yeah. As good as anything you'd gone to. Here's the thing. It's hard to compare this to anything else in the hobby, though. Like it's hard to say this is a card show because it's not a card show. Don't impede on the next question though. Oh, you have another. I want to set up this question now. Now, set it up. I'm a little irritated. I am going to let you talk after this. I want to get off my chest real quick. The amount of. Here's the narrative in the hobby. If you went, it's the greatest thing ever and there are all these people going live and showing off you. If you didn't go, it's terrible. It's stupid. Like it's just a promotion. They're going to kill national. Okay. My thought was this is like nothing else that we're going to have in the hobby going forward. How does this differentiate from the national or other card shows, in your opinion? Please. It's just not a thing to compare to. I don't believe so this is a standalone thing. I could. Because yes, it has overlap. In the Venn diagram of the national and Fanatics Fest. There is a lot of overlap in the sense that there's a lot of cards there. There's a lot of tables, vendors set up. There's a lot of people buying and selling. However, that's about where that overlap is. Ends. It ends in the sense of everything else that's notable. Yeah. I mean if you wanted to keep going. Yeah. There's food and there's like activations and there's stuff like that. But for large part, everything Else is just much bigger, much more, I guess, intense. Every fandom is represented in a way that I've never seen at any card show before. I mean, there may be areas. No, there's not. I'm thinking, like, even at the national, there's not like an area where this is just all baseball and it's like all WWE or whatever. So this is leading to max question, by the way, to say that the show could be compared to another card show. I don't think you can accurately do that because they are different things. How many people, if you had to guess, percentage wise, this was the first time going to a show. Oh, I don't. Here's the question. Or non hobby people, even. Yeah, I'd be really curious to know what the percentage is of New Yorkers versus everybody else that are there. Just because you're in the heart of New York City and the city so nice they named it twice. They are there. I'm sure there's people that came last year that came again this year. I'm. I'm also sure there's plenty of people who. That was their first time they ever went to a show. Went last year, didn't go this year. You didn't go last year. I thought you went the year before. Right. Year before was when I had my Tum Tum issue. What was the year that Bobby Bones was that. Was that the first year? That was last year. That was. No, no, that was. I was with you last year. Last year I stayed with Russ. I came up for just the one day. Oh, I was not there. The year before is when I was in the er. Okay, so you've only been one day of the three years they've done. You've been to one day of Saturday. That's okay. Okay. No, no, I went to two days because I went for the day, saved the night, went for the next day, then left. Well, I would say if you went last year, there's probably going to be a lot of overlap and how you would have viewed this show. There's the tables. The card tables were similarly set up, except instead of just doing it in the middle, they did it in the middle throughout the, like, from one end to the other end of the show. Because it's like in two. Two massive halls and they're opened up, like, with this little. I don't know, there's like a bridge tunnel underneath where you can just go to both sides of the halls. But essentially it's all in the middle and everything around it are the wwe, the Soccer, the homie. All of the things where you can either interact, you can go, you know, test out their. Their video games. F1 had racing where you could actually, like in a simulator, do an F1 race. You also had NASCAR doing the same thing. You had Modern Warfare, the video game, the new one. That's, I guess, months from drop. I don't promote out there. You had Cane's chicken fingers out there where raising canes. They had a dunk. A dunk tank where Gronk got dunked into like a. I saw that by Tom Brady. There are plenty of things where they're doing the fanatics fest games. So they're. They're places where you can go into the game. Should have been me. I saw the schlub that won. It was a guy, though. It wasn't like Tom Brady. It wasn't a famous person. Correct. It was a fan. Was it Chase was. I don't know. I just saw him and I was like, what a dog. I was happy. I was happy to see that. Like an actual fan one. That is. That is. Yeah. That was neat. But outside of like, just like the commentary of. Oh, there was like, so much to do and so much to think. I. I spent a lot of time in the card combine, which is down on the first floor. That was where it was basically to educate newcomers on cards. Like, what is. Which I love, by the way. I'm glad they did it this year. Absolutely. Like, when you get cards, what do you do with them? Do you sleeve and protect them? Do you know how to do that? What's a case hit? What's a break? What is grading? What's vaulting? They had all of these, like, little setups. They had FNAX collect in the center where they had a lot of nice cards that were graded as well. You can go over there and scan a QR code and buy them from the FNX Collect app. QR code. So QR stand for by the way. Quick response. Sure. I had no other response in my brain other than that quick response when you said the. There. There's probably like some bugaboos to fix that in some of this. Like, I believe they had a similar thing at the WWE big wrestling event where they had Topps represented. They had a card combine thing is what I was told. I didn't see this, but I was talking with Alex, Army Alex, and he was saying they had had it there. And the difference was at this one, they were giving away packs, but they were all like the cellophane packs. If You've never seen like the cellophane packs from Tops. It's basically just a bunch of base cards. That's what they were giving away to these people. And I'm like, that is not necessarily the best way to introduce somebody to the hobby. Because you're saying, like, everybody going in is not going to have a hit. Like, nobody's going to get excited for. I mean, there's going to be little kids who like the base cards, whatever. But I mean, if you want people to really understand what, why are we protecting these cards? Well, I show me a card to protect and then go from there. So there's like little things like that. It wasn't really even fully set up until I'd say Friday. The vaulting part was like still getting worked up on until Saturday. So there was things that. That could have been done. However, all that being said, that's like just like the. Let's get the things that weren't the prettiest out of the way. Other than that, it was a lot of fun. There was a lot of people down there and there was a lot of engagement from fans and non fans alike. So it was fun. We got to do silly content. There were. There was a breaking studio, which on Sunday I got to go in there, give away packs. We did. I bought some Marvel boxes beforehand and then went down there and just gave away packs to people who were like coming by who would like scan a QR code getting the break. Because it was like just a private break for there at the show and they would get a pack. In fact, one kid. It was funny. I was wrapping up the show, I had like three packs left. He won one of them and I gave him one and there was nothing in it. I gave him one other pack because it was like, based on what we've pulled out of this, you know, Marvel Chrome box. There was one other or there were two other numbered cards and he didn't get one. So like, well, surely there's one in this one. Take that. Don't call him Shirley part wasn't his name and he, he and the family, because it. And that's what was also really enjoyable is like these little kids would be out there with their parents and their parents would be the ones who are like signing up and doing percentage of kids, by the way, because I know that was, oh, very high. Okay. Because that was their big P originally. And I was like, I wonder if that's okay. But. So anyways, give the kid his cards and the pack and then that was it. I didn't see him again. I went up to the show, did a little bit of stuff, and then I went back to our hotel to get our bags because we're going to the airport. And as I'm getting in the Uber to go to the airport, I see the kid and his family again. And he's just like, I. I notice him first and then he's staring at me. He's like, dad, it's the guy. It's the card guy. And I'm like, oh, hey, that man's a pervert. No, no. Funny, though. And so I thought that was it because they were like, showing inside of the building as we're leaving. And I'm literally now, like, putting bags in the back of this Uber and I am getting in and the kid runs out to me and he's got a card in his hand and he's showing me. There was like a sketch card in that bag, in that one pack, of course, because that could have been mine. I could have just kept it. Why do you. Why do I have to be nice and give things notice? We got an invoice for those boxes. Oh, yeah, you did about that. The. But the sketch card was a really nice card. He was super pumped and he's cool. He wanted to get a picture. His sister came out, they took photos and all that. In the hobby already was this kid, like, I believe he's new. He didn't like, he had no idea about any of that. So. So that was really exciting. What's really interesting too, at that little booth, the breaking booth. Tim, you'll appreciate this. There you go. BCW Tim, over here. When I left, Mojo breaks and then junk wax. Dalen and his wife. Did you talk with Dalen at all, by the way? I loved it. Here's. You know what you and Dale is. Dalen is the sports equivalent of Funko. They are very similar, very, very kind people. I can see that. Very positive. Dalen is my enjoyable people. Dalen is my recommendation to take my spot in the show forward you and Dale into the amazing. I think it would be fun. It would be a lot of fun. He is the perfect type of weird for this. I told him what I said the first time I met him. He seems like I never met him, but he seems like the nicest, kindest person in the world. Yes. Very genuine, but also. So here's the other thing too. Super quick. Yeah, Sometimes people like that when like that over the top, nice and kind. You're like, oh, they're kind of dumb. No, unbelievably articulate, intelligent. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's pretty cool. I'm a big fan. That's why I told him, like, at the National, I'm introducing him and Funkle because I feel like they're the same person cut from the same cloth, but less perversion. With Dylan, I would say perversion. Not as much of a hot dog. Aversion to Dana. Thank you. Thankfully, down at that breaking booth, though. Yes. I just saw this posted. I, I. We should have put it on SCN's channel as well, but Mojo and Junk Wax, they were ripping some of the NYC the Fanatics Fest series. Two boxes. They pulled the. Oh, what is it? The Swing for the Stars. It's like crazy ssp. Which I pulled a Swinging for the Stars Mike Trout out of one of mine. I ended up just giving it to. Who was it? Nate Burns? Yeah, Nate Burns over at. Why'd you give it to him? He's rich. Well, nobody. Here's the thing. I don't. Nobody else really wanted it. And I was just like, yeah, of course he wanted it. I, well, no, because I, I gave it to him. Selling it. Right? I'm like, hey, by the way, do you want this? He's like, no, not really. I'm like, okay, well, there's some kids right here. I'll give it to the kids. So I gave it to. I gave that and a couple other ones I pulled out of there. So you gave it to Nate of the kids? Well, I gave it to Nate who immediately handed it to the children. So, but that, so Swing for the Stars. You didn't give anything to the correct. I, I said, oh, if you don't want it, then sure, give it to the kids. Gotcha. So that's how that went. But what does QR stand for? The Junk Wack. Dylan and Mojo pulled the one of one super fracture for Derek Jeter Swing for the Stars at that thing right after I had. That's pretty cool. So that was pretty amazing. I did get. So you had asked about free stuff. What kind of free stuff was going on? I got. Well, I got this shirt for one. This is like from bodega cards. I'm glad that was free. I saw that shirt when I walked in. It's a. I was going to ask you what you paid and before you answer, I was going to say overpaid. Overpay. But okay. No, it's fun. They were really nice guys. We did different pieces of content with different creators. What is it, though? I don't really. I'M going to be honest. I wasn't 100% on it, but it's. I appreciate about Jesse. That's just a willingness to support somebody throws like, some crap at him. He's like, you know what? I'll wrap it on a podcast, no problem. It was. I mean, yeah. Why would they have that size shirt readily available? It wasn't readily. They had to go. First of all, they had a little bit rude. By the way, what size shirt do you think? Wow, like a 6x. You don't think there's a bunch of fatties walking around that place? Come on, Tim. Too far. That was the meanest thing you said. The meanest thing I was saying. I was saying it because it's like, you don't want a lot of inventory. There's so much cloth. Somebody take this tablecloth and make a shirt out of it. It's just too. Now there's a bear. There's a bear picnic table at the Javit center now. Can't afford to carry this. And cards. 50 pounds per checked bag at the airport, folks. So anyways, I got dynamite. And there's a. You got a shirt underneath it. Yeah. Oh, that's for the next show. That's just Super Mario. Never mind. Okay, I know what this is. The. There was the. The eqls for the chrome boxes, the acronyms. What is it? The soccer boxes. They had the FNAX Fest soccer boxes. They had the Series 2 soccer boxes. I did get a hobby box of each of those. I ended up just flipping them there. No Cactus Jack for you. I tried this year again. Yeah, Baseball. Well, basketball's already right. I believe it was baseball. I'm pretty sure. Okay. The. I think it was. At least it must have been basketball. I thought the first year was. Was different people, Right? Am I wrong? First year was baseball. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I believe that's the case. And, well, it. The soccer boxes. I only found this out after I sold mine. Of course. It was like one in every 28 of those has a super factor in it. So that would have been cool. But now, honestly, I was thinking, I want to sell this now. Because by the time I get home, because we did, honestly. We got home at 2am this morning. All flights were delayed. That was heck. Getting out of there, it was a pain, but I sold it because I'm like, I don't know what the soccer market's going to do now the World Cup's over. Can I just say I'm thrilled? This only comes around once every four years. I actually, I watched it in the airport, in the hotel. Nothing happened. Lounge area and soccer stinks. It was exciting. I had a lot of fun watching. It was exciting about it. Spain just kicked the ball. Can I be honest about something, please. I looked at the score app. Yep. And there was 86 minutes. It was 00. I was like, oh, it might be a good game now. And I got a three day free subscription from Fox one. Exactly. That's what I did too watch it and I will cancel it today. But I only watched last half an hour. So it actually was a good game. Six hours, one goal. So I watch from the after the halftime onward. And so I didn't watch the. You missed all the running in the first half. But it like to see the endurance of a lot of these guys. And also like I feel like I learned more about like, oh well, two yellow cards makes a red and then that person's out. And then they were playing with 10 people versus like 11 on the other stupid rule, by the way. Give them 10 minutes in the. You don't throw somebody up for a game. And it was like, okay, Messi is. Everyone's expecting Messi. Especially you, Non. Including myself, non. Soccer fans out there, we're all just like, oh, what's Messi going to do? And Messi's not doing anything. But it's like, oh, wow. But this other team has been able to like try and score at least multiple times. But goal. He's killing it. He's keeping them blocked. I think it was like the most blocks of any. It was the most saves ever. It was a goal taken back too because some guy started flailing around like a little girl out there. But yeah, they called the penalty. That was garbage. I. I don't know. I guess my boy Williams got robbed in that goal. So one of the greatest headers of all time though. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was pretty cool to watch. So here's my other things just to be done with the FNX stuff because then we're going to jump right to the actual Y. So free stuff. There was a lot more free stuff. I didn't even get nearly as much of it because like half the days I was working content at the car combine down on the first floor. But everybody else who's going through there, there's free shirts, there's free cards, there was giveaways to enter into. So there were plenty of things. I think that's what someone could do. A nice piece of like content for is like, hey, here's all the free Stuff at this show. Like if you want to go to it, go try and hit all these spots. Did you watch a negotiation thing? That was the only other question I had. I know. Press for time where they were on. On stage negotiating with Kevin o' Leary and Shine. I wasn't there in person. Jameson Long who was on the show like five years ago. He had him on for NFTs. I've known Jameson for years. That dude sold the Ohtani and the. And the Brady I think was a PSA. 10 contenders for 2.35 million. Oh, so you knew that was I want Jameson back on the show because Alex was like saying. I think. I think it was Alex. He was saying he was buddies. It was either him or Mack. I can't remember. Yeah, he's in North Carolina. I do. I want Jameson back though. Was that already like predetermined? Did you guys already work a deal? Was it live? I. That was the one I was curious about. Real. That was, by the way, stupid. Kevin o' Leary was like, you know, little greedy, doesn't even know what he's looking at. He's telling me he's an idiot. Go make another necklace, you dummy. I did see that Ruben came or there was a post with Ruben's picture on it saying like the. Apparently it was 80 to 90 million to put that show on this year, which is pretty insane. Like, I mean 80 to 90 million though. You go around and you're like some things I'm sure you'd probably be like, oh, where I don't see it. What's it cost to rent that building? Yeah, you see it at this show because it was in. In this year. It was even more so. It wasn't even inside all the way. They spilled outside with some of this stuff. There was like outdoor concert and interviewing stuff going on. I saw the picnic tables, which was a good idea for them. Saw the Biebs. That's where they made that shirt. I left right before the Bieber thing happened that day. That was really annoying. I would have gone and seen that. It's another guy would work one on one. One did get to do some fun content with tops. So it was supposedly originally going to be Cat Carl Anthony Towns and Jordan woods, who is his fiance. Oh, Jordan. Is that was the woman in the video? Yeah. Wait, they haven't posted the video? Where did you see a video? Oh, someone sent you that thing? No, someone posted it. You and Kevin Nagandi and. And what's her name? Jordan Wood. Yeah, somebody posted it. Oh, really? Oh, I Didn't see it. I saw it somewhere. Oh, I didn't mean my. Well, I know like, some of our team was over there trying to get some pictures in a little bit of video. So I don't know what's actually been posted as of yet, but what is she? Is she famous? She's got like 11 million followers on Instagram. So whether she's like famous famous or not, I would say she's got a lot of followers. But yeah, I think she's famous for like Kardashian related things. And Jordan business owner, she does a few other. Her mom was there with her. We had like a fun time yucking it up, like opening, talking about opening packs, how she's actually like, she is a big Disney collector, it sounds like. And she was like her mom was ripping stuff with her. It was a fun little bit. We got to do that. And let me see. I think. Oh, the one other story I've got is about Shane. But it's now time for our guests to be here. So I don't know. If they're not here, I'll share that story. If they are, we'll save it for another time. Our guests are here. So we are joined by the crew from the national. We've got Joe Drelik, Jim Ryan and Brian Coppola. I just like that because again, we're just coming off fanatics fest and I would argue that's the greatest show in the world for activations. But so much of the stupid rhetoric and like, narrative now is, well, one's gonna beat the other or choose one. These are two totally different freaking worlds. Like, if you want to do the athletes and all that, great, go do it. Like for me, I'll be there Tuesday till Sunday at the national walking the floor with my backpack like a child. I'm school size, so it works. And it's just like, it's just cards upon cards. Like it. To your point, there's nothing like it. So I think it's awesome you guys have. Instead of trying to like, oh, let's compete, it's like, let's just lean into what we're great at, which is literally just putting cards on a table, which I think is awesome. So I'm pumped. So can we then with that being said, if, if we are, I guess, excited for the cards. 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Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. This is a free for all. Go out there, use the LX app. Find where you're going. It's a treasure hunt for the most part. You know, we talk about this from time to time. The national is is your space is picked based on a priority, meaning the the longer you've been doing the national, the earlier you get to pick your space. So it is not sectioned off necessarily the main floors or not. But again, to what we were speaking to, Corporate does have its own section. It's not integrated throughout the show. There are two separate corporate sections. The upstairs section is a developing section. You know, international, I think we had our count is up to something like 14 countries. We've identified that vendors are from a lot of European countries, Asia, South America, all represented Canada, of course, you know, so there's no exact, you know, you can't go here to find baseball or here to find vintage. So it sort of makes it kind of fun too. It's a little bit of a treasure hunt. You know, you can, you can actually, you know, be looking at, you know, early 18, you know, 1800s, early 1900s cards. And right next to it, you can have a guy that's, that's got, you know, a Shohei Ohtani display, you know, so sure even that. By the way, like I said, we talked about that in the past. I know a few years ago I was critical of that. Like, man, it would be nice to not have to wade through all the vintage. But then to your point, I actually have come to enjoy what it is because now, you know what, I've gotten slowly into vintage. So it's like, hey, I may find that vintage car in the next table. Something totally different. So again, I even think that is you guys have done a good job of not going overboard with organizing this because I'd rather just be kind of go out there and see. I did have a question too, though, just to get to the vendor list. You guys said, like, the second floor G Hall is kind of what you've been using to work through this. Can you share any idea on, like, hey, here's how many were on the wait list. Here's how many we've gotten through. Is that anything you guys could kind of give us an idea on the scope of. In Cleveland, we had about 360 dealers, I think, inside the show. Okay. And now here in Chicago, we have a little over 600 this year. Dang. So if you look at the numbers, we've added 240, 250 new dealers into the show. Awesome. Any idea how many are still on the request list? That's got to be. I mean, we know this history from running our own shows. The request list never ends, Right. As soon as you clear it up, somebody sends a letter of a tent, then you get on it again. So it never goes away. Always is always evolving. Yeah. I will say, though, again, to your credit, like, that was something people noted last year, though. Like, hey, we have been waiting for years. We got our first table last year. I think it's great. Like, I do. I don't want to keep saying everything's great. I'll find something to bash Joe on for his stupid Phillies or Eagles at some point. But I do think it's awesome. Like, there is progress being made. You guys know I've been vocally critical of things in the past. I told Jesse, I was like, this is the first time since I've been going to the national for 10 or 12 years now where it's like every year I feel like there are things being done improvement wise. So again, it's kind of a credit to you guys for really owning this thing and making the improvements needed. Yeah. Thank you. You know, sorry, Brian, go ahead. On the question before, and we've never said this in an interview before, Hall A is a little more of the old time dealers. The priority 40s and 30s and 20s. And that's where you're gonna see a lot more of the vintage auction houses and stuff like that. Cause they've been in the. In the space of. Since 1980. Sure. And then, you know, Hall F is the 3000s, 2000s. That's where you're going to see more of the more recent dealers. So if you want a quick cheat sheet, you know, Hall F. Modern Hall A vintage, it's not completely applicable, but if we wanted to give somebody a couple quick guidelines, that would be okay. Yeah, great. That works. The, the show flu floor blueprint, you have expanded to the upstairs area. The downstairs area is pretty much. You've already maximized that. Do you guys feel like, hey, if we could, we'd go even bigger than this or is this pretty much like hitting what you guys need to hit? I mean, I think, I think we're always, yeah, I think we're always adding incrementally. You know, again, you know, it's important we try to, we actually take that, that wait list very seriously. You know, we, we realize how important it is for people to be present at the national. So that is always our goal. And there's different ways that we, we have been cycling back through existing booths, you know, to clean up some situations, you know, without getting into it too deep. That, that really should, shouldn't be what they are meaning, you know, it's enabled us to free up some boost space to allow new vendors in there. The, the other thing I think that we're proud of is we actually have boost space for any type of dealer which was the, you know, implementation of the eight foot table allowed us to do that. So basically the national can offer you a 10 by 15 booth, which is a standard dealer booth that's 150 square feet. It comes with three tables if you have a pretty big extensive setup. If you have a slightly smaller setup, you can go 10 by 10, which is two tables and 100 square feet. And then if you're either a newer guy or you don't carry a vast amount of inventory, you can have an eight foot table and they're all priced accordingly. So again, these are some of the things that may not be really sexy or over the top, but we pride ourselves on the, on that we have extreme affordability, entry level for, for new people, the space. You know, our admission prices I think are arguably the best in the, in the United States of a convention of our size. You know, dealer, vendor space, ease of move in cost of hotels, like, you name it. Like, the national really tries to look at the simplicity of things and make it welcoming and friendly for as many people as we can bring into this space. You know, and on the Converse with, with Fanatics Fest. And I do want to touch on that for a second. The national, you know, and Jim Bryant and myself, we're, we're, we're, we're proud of what they're doing. Like, we like competition, animosity or anything. Like we think what they're doing is fantastic for the space and, and making it so they have the ability and they have, they have a, a really big microphone and a really big reach and they're doing a fantastic job of bringing new people into that space. And those people are gonna, a certain percentage of those people are going to end up in our space and in our world and they're going to experience the hobby that on two different levels. They're going to get. Like you said before, Mike, you know that, that amazing show experience where Tom Brady's walking by you and David Ortiz is walking by you and you know, CM Punk is walking by you. And then they, they can translate that stuff into the cardboard piece of it. If they're collectors and they can come to our space and geek out for five days and, and, and find all that cool stuff. It could be a two dollar item, but it could just be the right person that they like and they're into. You're gonna find it at the national kind of things that they're, they're, they're simple at the surface, but they're really the core of what we think and what we want to enhance and you know, continue to do. Yeah, that's why I do, I think it's good for both of you guys to succeed. To your point, like, I think Fanatics Fest brings in probably, like, honestly, if I had to say, where are more new people going? Probably Fanatics Fest, like, hey, go see, take your kid who doesn't care about cards yet and go there. But I think there's so much spillover. I just think in a perfect world the best situation is these two shows continue to thrive and be totally separate and just build off each other. So I think it's great. And I gotta say too, I have come around on Rosemont. I think that is the best location you can. Literally. We were just talking with Tim who was here. You can just park your car the first day and never go. Like you can walk the entire week you're there. All right, so there you go. Yeah, I think it's cool to hear from those guys again. I do. I'm super pumped. You know, I'm looking forward to the national. I think we all are. So it'll be fun. I do think it's good, the improvements too. Like, I don't throw around compliments. Yeah, you know this. No, I've never, I haven't complimented you in 15 years. I prefer it never earned one. So I've compliment Tim all the Time on his silence. He used to be imitate. But I do. I think it's cool if they're, like, taking initiative and, like, really changing things. So. And the symbiosis. Yeah, Is that a thing? I appreciate that. They are same page as Fanax Live or Symbiosis. That they are Fanax Fest and then they're symbiotes. Two different things that benefit from each other. Carnage and null. What? You're welcome. Like bees and flowers. Why are you talking? You're talking the birds and the bees. That's a very different conversation that you can have with your daughter in 10 years. Speaking of the national, other setups there BCW Tim will be. Oh, yeah. You guys setting up or what? Yeah, we're actually diagonal from you guys. Oh, G Hall International. G Haul. Got a bunch of white Americans up there. That's. That's our wing. Oh, that's a cool spot. We'll be screaming right across from each other while we're there. So. Yeah, we're a booth. 90s. 90,000. That's your booth. 90,000. Whole G. Who's in 89. 999 E day. We're not taking questions. What is the SCN code, by the way? I asked you this the other day because I needed it. It's SCN this all the time. SCN10SC. So you're not going to the National, Obviously, at home, SCN 10 gets you 10% off. Be at the National. We're actually right near Sportscon nonsense. So if you listen to this, you know who these guys are. Come see us as well. I'll be there. You'll see me wearing a big dumb hat still. I don't know. What do you do? What are you doing at the show? I thought he's gonna say, what do I do? What do you do when you get up in the morning? Timothy, walk us through your 7 to 10 at this show. Are you, like, actually just, you know, showing off the products or are you, like, selling individual things? Are you setting up relationships? Like, what does BCW Tim do with the National? Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I have it easy compared to the booth guy. So we're actually allowed to sell this year in Hall G. So we're gonna have. What does that mean you weren't able to sell? When you're in the corporate section in the bottom, you can't sell supplies. Like, we can actually sell top loaders pennies to you. So if you can, they use the SCN code in person? No. There you go. They actually Pay more. If that happens, that's fine for all. You not going. They pay more. You stay home and buy. I know. Scn there's an upcharge. Yeah, but when, when, when BCW brought me on three years ago at this point they just said just keep me and you and do what you do. So they don't actually really want me at the booth. They want me walking around talking to people, promoting networking. Yeah. And it's fun seeing everybody. I haven't been to a show in almost a year. Yes. So I'm excited. Nikki and baby are not coming, right? No, this is the last year. It's just she's too young. Yeah. Well, I saw like people at Fanax Fest were that with babies and they had like the earphones on them where they wouldn't get like. Here's the thing. If you got to put ear protection on your kid, just don't bring them to that event. Probably not. The pretty simple. Just don't do it. A lot of flashing lights, laser beams going in your eyes. So that's not healthy for anybody. What can I ask you, like, just from a curiosity point of view? Bcw like products I've gotten like the thing that holds my cards. I need something that holds just top loaded cards. You guys have that? Yeah, we're going to. So we're going to have some of the bigger items are kind of those card catalogs as graded card catalogs. Binder. Can I get a binders? Top loaded binders. Regular binders. We have the. No. Is that a thing? A graded card? It is. There's a few brands that do it. It's just like, it's like a clamshell. Oh, interesting. Okay, but I just need one that holds top loaders. Yeah, yeah, we have top loader binders that are really nice and like I said, we have a full booth. It's. I want to say it's 20 by 20. It's obviously not smaller. So we have tons of different things. The car bin, which is a little bit bigger, expensive, more expensive. All right, we're talking about supplies right now. I have a conversation. I'd like to get feedback from both of you on what is the better way to move your cheaper cards. Is it the single row white boxes or is it a binder? I'm talking about like a dollar box. Yeah, like a dollar box or a binder. I say binder. I say binder because you can see at least nine cards typically per page. You can easily flip through it. I, I feel like it's the Easier, faster way to go through a bunch of cards. And especially if it's like now if you've got like 20 cent cards or just a bunch of bass or whatever, fine. But I think like for your dollar to five dollar cards, throw them all in one of those binders. That's a. And the Pokemon people have been doing this forever. They seem to be doing well with it. I think it's something that the sports side should adopt as well. I. I'm just very easy about it. Right. If I. If it's a personal collection or I think it's worth money. Goes in top loader then down to a binder. But that's the stuff that like I'm not selling. It's like random. Yeah. You know, like 10 cent cards. Those are the places where you go to sell stuff like that. Like, or I feel like a show where people will actually flip through because what are you gonna do? Sell it on ebay for a buck and then you gotta ship it for a buck fifty. If you can ship it that cheaply, like that's hard to do. But in like, in person you just. People just like pull out a bunch of them. Typically it's like, all right, you bought five of them and you have like 20% off, there's four bucks. Yeah, I like those. The show here in Nashville, there's a group of guys that just three cards for a dollar and they hand you a to go type bin. I love that at the National. I'm looking forward this year to have some more time at dollar bins and really search through and I obviously like the vendors. There's really good vendors out there. But I'm hoping that everyone has it labeled this year. Oh, you've never been to like a dollar box and you just don't even know what's going to be. And it's tough to sit there because you don't know. You don't have to wasting time organ. No question for sure. Yep. I think the only other story I wanted to share about the the Fanax fest was so Shane or the guy who's he was doing. Oh, our Shane. Yeah, yeah. No, no, our Shane. Content is how I have him in my phone. Shane has been doing content start with an L SCN for a number of years. I'm not looking to Doc Shane. If he doesn't want to be done, I get an L. But Shane had done it for a number of years with scn. He took a little break. He's now back with SCN again. He's been doing all hobby nonsense and stuff for a number of years. Well, the last two years and over that period of time I think I've actually been on like a call with him, a zoom call maybe two or three times. Okay. Everything else has been text message. So we're at the show and I think it was Friday, Thursday or Friday that I meet everybody there and I'm like, man, where's Shane? I keep. I'm looking forward to seeing Shane and didn't see him Saturday night or. Yeah, Saturday night. I. I'm laying in bed and something dawns on me. Shane's on your coach. There's another. There was a guy who's been helping with us this whole time and I was like, who is this guy? This is the problem with you. You just look down on the pop. Everybody's a pauper to you. He looks so familiar to me and oh, that's the hell. I can't figure out who this guy is. But I've also been really busy to stop and ask garbage. And I realize at like it's almost midnight, I'm literally dozing to sleep and it dawns on me, oh my God, that's Shane. He's been there the whole time. He probably thinks I hate him because I barely talk to him and I message him. This is the type of elitist non sport hobby crap. I'm just like, I'm dressed like Buzz Lightyear. I can't look down on this lowly worker. You're such a scumbag. What a piece of garbage. Amazing. And I just felt terrible about it. Like I felt so embarrassed as well. But I was just like I have to message him right now. I realized at midnight when I was about to fall asleep, the guy in the other queen bed in this hotel room was Shane. Shane, get out of here, bro. So shout out to made it really awkward because you had your wife. Yeah, he was between. See, that's too far. No, I didn't say that. Yep, you sure did. That was a fun thing. Front to back fun, fun show. I'm trying to think if I've gotten. Oh yeah, I think BCW Tim, we've got it and all that stuff. Arena Club cards finally came in by the way. I just bought some off the the site. Spent a pretty penny buying packs. I will maintain this. The Disney packs are the way to go because the pricing is the shill from last year. No, I'm just saying not been completely updated. The the price that they are putting these out. It's like the big cards you're Hoping to win. They are actually giving these away more often because the value has not been, I would say correctly identified. Because we're in such a hot market. No, no, I'm saying like for them. For them, like pricing out, like, oh, here's, here's a card that the big hit would have been a thousand dollar card. Well, we're only gonna give out like this random spin is gonna get one that's like middle tier. But when in actuality that middle tier card is probably closer to 750 or $1,000. So I've never met a bigger shill for the non sport world. No, I'm just saying if people are looking for like, like decent prices on those cards, that's actually somewhere I've found decent prices. And if you buy into a non sport break, you just make money every time. That's what we learned last year. That is. I didn't say whatever. Terrible. I'm glad he doesn't read the comments. I didn't. Wow. Say that. We also have authorities looking at your address. Especially when people lie and do not listen to the words that I say. That's fine. It's okay. I would like to know what is your main goal with the Arena Club Then you wanted to do a little sponsorship of the post. I did it and I get pooped on for my Disney comments. What are your comments about it? I bought the sports. I buy basketball and football. I've lost more than I've won, but I've had some nice victories. The Caleb Williams purple mosaic I sold you with me. Who was that last Sunday, Two Sundays ago, on the ebay live show. That thing at the time when I pulled that last year was like 105 bucks. It sold for like. It's numbered a 49. I think it sold for like 250, which was about on comp, by the way. So that one actually ended up being a pretty big glow. I've just. I've just realized honestly at that stuff, if I pull something that's not worth it, I just keep it. Oh, as long as it's a decent name. Like I have Caleb Williams. I had a bunch of Wemby, same thing. I kept the Wemby's for six, eight months. You don't want to sell it first and redo it? No, I like to wait till. The first two cards I ever pulled on Arena Club were those one Banyama, the PSA, 10 rookies. But this was a year and a half ago. Okay. They're worth less than half of what I just sold we sold the Blue Unleashed, and we sold one other one at that show. Ebay. I forget, but I have. I've just been holding them. I still have, like, four or five Jason Tatum rookies that I hit over there. I do. If they're not a hot player, if they're down for any reason, I just hold. You just keep them in your vault. You don't. I did. I just did my first big. I just had my first big order shipped to me. The Caleb came, the Wembies. Yeah. I did not ship the Tatums because my stuff. To me, I'll be honest, I didn't ship the tapes because I don't want them. I don't need them till next year. I just left them in there. I. And if it's stuff, I'm just gonna flip. I just keep on there anyways. Or just sell it on the marketplace. I don't want to have to deal with getting it shipped to me and then having to ship it myself. I will say those marketplaces are actually kind of helpful because you get people who don't realize, like, oh, this is like a. A big card. Or I will say one of the cards I got was a Luke Skywalker PSA 6, like, from 1977. The. The Luke Skywalker card. I think I got it the. It was like 400 bucks or something like, that was, like, the offer on it. I'm pretty positive that card next year is going to be easily 2000. It's like 1400 as is right now. But, yeah, I think. I think. Can't wait till the bottom falls out and all you cockroaches get out of the hobby. Not you, your friends. You have to be so mean. That's it. I do have a quick update on the ebay thing. Yeah, please. I don't know. Was it on? You must have done it when I was. Thursday. You weren't here. So somebody in our Instagram DM started shooting me information. Like, hey, there's something. There's a nefarious seller and. Or sellers on ebay. And he sent me some pretty. Actually some pretty good evidence. And so I said it on the podcast on Thursday because I wanted. And I think I even mentioned somebody from ebay. Reach out. Adam Ireland. Reach out to me. It was like, hey, heard what you said. I'm gonna get in touch with the right people, gonna dig into this. I heard back again today. Hopefully in the next couple days. We hear back, because now my goal is to do, like, I'm gonna do it on YouTube because it's a very visual like, hey, here's the card. But it's. I was actually very happy with like how quickly they reached out of like, hey, if there's a seller that's selling things that don't need to be sold, like can you give, can you give a rundown? Because it. Since I was in the show, I didn't hear anything. I didn't say much either. It looks as though there's a pretty prolific patch Switcher Choice hotels get you more of what you value. Comfort Inn, it's calling your name. Save on the stain. Oh, and free waffles are yours to claim. 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Like I do think there's a place that as much I'm like, oh, I don't. We don't love negative content because sometimes guys just make negative, stupid conspiratorial crap. Sure there are legit bad actors in the space. Like there's no denying that. I think it's good when companies are accountable. Like, hey, if it's brought to their attention, let's do something and get them thrown out. And honestly, I'm going to be straight with you. Morgan Freeman, Kevin Costner, we go Robin Hood style justice. I don't switch packs. We cut you. I never saw that Prince of Thieves. I know it. I never saw it. You never saw the original. You know it. I know of it. I mean I. But you never saw it. Yeah. Brian Adams, anything I do, I do it for you. You never saw that movie. And meatloaf, you've watched like Freaking toys or the animated crap for your stupid break. What are you. You've never seen. Are you being serious? Yes, I'm being serious. With a spoon. Why a spoon, cousin? Because it'll hurt more, you twit. You've never seen that movie? Never. Never seen it. It's the second best. Robin Hood. What was the first? The cartoon version where the foxes. There's a new one coming out. The Death of Robin Hood. I saw that one. I think that's with who plays. Oh, Hugh Jackman. That's what I mean. He knows this type of pervert. That's. That's the only Robin Hood anyone should care about. Did you see the Robin Hood with What's his name? The dude from the Kingsman? Yeah, it was okay. No, it wasn't. It was bad. Oh, with Jamie. I saw that one. That one was Jamie Foxx. Jamie Foxx isn't a Robin Hood. Yeah, he was the Morgan Freeman character in the next one. Little John. No. Yeah, I thought he was a little joke. No, he's the Saracen Robin Hood. Men in tights too, now. I saw that. I did Men in tights. He was there anyways, so I don't know how we got on this path. Ebay. And then for ebay live, by the way, ebay live, I'll have my. I have my. Oh, that is actually another kind of cool thing. This weekend, ebay live, not weekend. Thursday, Friday night, they're doing their 48 hours of deals. So basically they're letting me take like, so Topps Chrome releases on Wednesday, tops. Chrome baseball major release. I'm doing my ebay live Friday night show. We're gonna have breakers, delight boxes, maybe hobby, but for sure, delight boxes. I think we're doing like 200 below what anybody else will have. Hello. EBay's like, hey, if you promote this, we'll bring new people to your. So I think it's gonna be a pretty awesome thing on ebay live. So Friday night, big single show as well. But we'll also have just an exclusive wack show. And they'll all just be posted up as buy it now. So everybody gets the same low price. They're subsidizing the money a little bit, which is awesome. So we can give a crazy discount. So I'm excited. Tim will be there shipping skedaddles out of town. So you go up to the national on what you get there Monday. I'm there Sunday to Sunday, babe. I don't know how. What is. What's Nikki doing with the baby? The Whole time taking over to Mike's. Mom says Tim doesn't care. He's not. Her parents are actually coming down. Oh, that's the first time I'm traveling. Yeah. And I was like, hey, can. You know? You know what I mean? Oh, I don't blame it. Absolutely. Her parents are coming down. Yep. My mom will be there. Yeah. Because you need backup to the backup. My mother loves that kid, by the way, because Steel's getting to be a little older now, and she. Well, the baby, I think, because babysat the other day. Yeah. I think little baby Evelyn pulled down a plant and she didn't have the heart to tell us because there was soil everywhere on the road. I don't want to. I don't want to tell you, Mom. Your kids ruined a bunch of things with that house, but that's fine. I'm just kidding. All right. Yeah. I'm trying to think. I think I've covered mostly everything that happened. Oh, my stomach is okay, by the way. For all of those who are wondering, I don't know what the deal was. I don't think it was the shot dying, Taco Bell virus. I think it was the. Yeah. Someone had said something about a thing called meal stacking. I had never heard before, but. But pretty sure that's what it was. But it's just stacking meals. It doesn't really matter what you call it. It was the exact same effect, and it was awful. Like, Thursday when I got in. I literally hadn't eaten in 36 hours other than saltines and half a banana. And I'm like, this is only fair question. You don't ask. You do not want to know. I actually don't go in there. I go in there, that poor banana. And I, like. I'm. I'm sweaty, but it's, like, not the normal sweat. I'm like, clammy, sweaty. And it was just like. Like, not good. But by the end of it. I've never been around you not clammy, sweaty. Since I've lost a few pounds, I don't get quite as sweaty as I used to. There's still sweat, but I ran and did. There's, like, one of these things where you can. Like, they're just throwing footballs and you jump out onto this big mat so you don't hurt yourself. But I caught a ball. It's gonna be in video. Did you dive? Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. You caught the ball, though. I gotta see this. There's video footage of this. Yeah. You running, diving, and catching a Ball. They weren't throwing a bullet or anything. They were like throwing it for. Okay. If they're throwing a beach ball, I can't believe you caught it. Why? Why is running and die? This is because you underestimate my physical capabilities. I've never seen you run. How could I know? Never asked. That's not true. Christmas Day, like 15 years ago, you ran for a few seconds and you broke your ankle in my driveway. It sprained it. Let me ask you this real quick. Yeah, I know. We gotta go. Yeah, like the sports guys will get this. You caught it with your hands or with your body? Because I want to know if you are hands outstretched and there's video footage. Okay, we're good. That's all. Jude was the camera guy. I guess he's a local to up there. I don't know. No way for me to verify he has video of all of this. He followed around. Too much detail. Yeah, no, it's like he's lying. No, you remember because I had the lettuce at Taco Bell the day I was wearing the stupid shirt. You remember? I don't have to say anything else because there's video proof of all this. I mean, I guess. Yeah, there is. And you are gonna be very excited. Okay, I'm excited. I can't wait. I'm trying to think if there's like anything. Oh, here's a shout out for all fandoms. What's the most popular or what's the most intense fandom, would you say? What do you mean? Of all the sports. Oh, it's a stupid soccer people. Oh, yeah, the firms in Europe, you just get beat up. Here, let me. What? The firms. You mean hooligans where you get beat up? Up. Hooligans is the name. Green Street Hooligan's name. The movie firms are what they are. So at Fanatics Fest, when Jesse's wrong, he just moves right past. No, I'm just saying it's not just. I'm not going to disagree. At Fanatics, what is the most. The biggest a Fanatics Fest Wrestling. Yeah, it's the wrestlers. Wrestling is out of this. I told you. A bunch of adult fatties lined up to jump off into a mattress. That is not. This should be an age limit. 12 or below. I don't need adults doing that. Get out of the way for the kids. Let's pick apart Mike's physical properties that are not ideal. Go ahead. I'm short, I'm chubby. Don't forget your hairline's knock. The Right side. What's it called? Widow's Peak. Yeah, well, it's more than Windows Peak, but I think he could do a running backflip off the turnbuckles though. I can do whatever I want. I'm a physical specimen. I wanted to do those turnbuckle things so bad. Are you too busy running and diving for footballs? Yeah, I. There's only so many things I can jump. My point, by the way though. If there's that many kids get out of line, I don't need a 36 year old jumping off a turn. Are you kidding? Get out of the way. Why wouldn't you want to do that? I don't understand. There are kids in line. So there's kids everywhere. It's a kid in an adult show. If that's the case, the knowledge is definitely there, if you know what I mean. I don't. I don't know what you mean. What do you mean by that? He scratched his nose to it. I thought he was like, I don't know what he's saying here. There's one interesting thing. I'm sure Tops is not a fan of it being mentioned. There was somebody who got escorted out. I don't even know if Tops knows. Honestly, it was like, please, please. But that, that. I'm saying this. I'm saying the only reason I mentioned is because they were so on top of it. There was like literally five or six cops taking this guy out and he was like screaming. I guarantee it was an adult pushing kids out of the way to jump off the turnbuckle. It was one of the wrestling perverts who was like, I gotta get it in the cafeteria area. So shocked, the fatty after he jumped was like, I'm gonna go slam hot dogs. You are getting too comfortable with Patty. I'm gonna tell you, there's gonna be a lot of people who don't care. I'm not talking about you anymore. It doesn't matter, Mr. Weight Loss. None of us. None of us overweight people care for. I'm overweight. My BMI's through the roof. Get over yourself. First of all, offensive lineman's are technically fatties. And we love offense. Yeah, but you don't call them fatties. 210-57-209 right here, buddy. There you go. That doesn't mean anything. Means a lot. Check up the bmi. Terrible. Killing it. Don't. Don't try and sugarcoat this by. I'm one of you out of shape. I'm one of you people. Okay. By the way, I'm back to playing ball too. Played twice last week. Going tomorrow. Anybody's in Nashville tomorrow, make sure you swing by East Park Community center starting at 6:00am thank you. That would actually be kind of funny if people did. And it'd be great if you're a bunch of heavyset gentlemen out there with clubs just waiting for you, like sandwiches, clubs. Tim, that's too far. That's a shame. You know. I don't know. Tim, did you have a comment? Because now your mic's cut. Yeah, that's right. Good. Get him out of here. Piece of garbage. I have nothing else to add. I don't think I've. I think we've covered everything at the thing. Yeah, it was a great show. Fanatics. Here's. I will say this. I don't want to go to the national at this very moment. That's not a great plug for them, but it's like I am exhausted. Oh, I need. I need a. I do. I'm glad. At least it's a week. At least. Back weekend. At least next year they're backing this thing up. They said like six weeks. Yes, I. Good. That is, that's why. No, no. For nice fest next year instead of going back to Germany. I told you this. When they came on though, I was like. We went to Florida for the week, what three weeks ago. I was like, I, I. We got a two year old. Like, I can't travel and it's not an easy. I was like, we're not in the national. We have to be at for all week. Which I want to be. I love the national. Yeah. It just. Yeah, it's. It's a lot. I'm glad Sam actually did end up coming because. Did you bring Charlie or. No. No. Okay. Stayed friends. So Sam would just explore the city during the day. And then when we were all done, she made it back safe. She's alive. Yeah. Walking around New York, messing with her like that. Perverts in New York, I mean, they're. They're pretty weak. They're typically on crack. No, it was a. That's offensive. Trust me. Like in that area. I know. I do. Like on the street. We walked last year. I remember. Yeah. It was questionable at best, but there was plenty of security and that's all good. But. Yeah, after the show, you're exhausted. I'm actually very curious how the tops people, like they were on all day long. Every person that I was messaging with. Oh, I never mentioned this. So there was. I got a message from Scott on Wednesday. Daniels. Yeah. Daniel. He os. I've told you this several times. You know, you know it. He does this every time. You know, his name is Daniel. Daniel. He's an idiot. But he reaches out and he's like two first names. So there's a chance that I may be able to get you in some content with Ryan Reynolds. And I was like, hey, now put the nature guy in there with him. I know. And here's the thing. Nature did fine. Yeah, he actually did pretty good. He did fine. Nature's. I would have blown it out of the water because there was the only thing that nature wasn't able to do. Come back with like some witty, some fun comments. It was just like next question. So it was fine. He didn't do anything bad. And I figured Jesse thinks he kept it going. Yeah, my bad. So anyways, it would have. I would have killed that content. It doesn't matter. I got to do the thing with Jordan Wood. So that's very cool. Comparable. But Ryan Reynolds would have been amazing. I got. I got to film a bunch of content around his panel. He is very much what you see is what you get. I feel like at least in all the other interviews I've ever seen Ryan Reynolds do, he's like always joking around and silly. He's up there making shots at himself. He's making funny jokes about like the audience to himself. Yeah, sure. But it was overall just a really. He just seems like a very genuine person. I'm glad to know, like he's got cards with top so that hopefully in the future he does more Deadpool. Right? Yeah. Okay. He's dead. He did some pretty cool things. Signing for people. Some people asked him to like inscribe sketch. Oh, inscribe. Inscribe doodle. Yeah. Well, they. He was a judge of a sketch contest for some Deadpool Chrome cards or something and it was him and nature was up there. And then you had the guy who's over caught. Are you familiar with this cause thing or clause? I guess. Yeah. Because I don't know what's happening so much. You can't fire Toby without a cause. Oh, cause. Because I hate him. Cause artist is. I don't know. It's a whole thing. He was great. It doesn't matter. What is it? Kws. Kws. I've seen it. What? I don't know. So it's basically X's. Over the eyes is their signature mark with a weird looking face. I don't know. It's really hard to describe if you know, you know. So it's an American artist. I think the guy's name is Brian Donnelly. So Don Lee's. Thank you. Sure. Doyle rules. It doesn't matter. It basically Topps is doing this thing. They actually had the pre sale out this morning. I tried to get some, I couldn't, but they're doing a collab with baseball. But I believe he was. Had something to do with this as well. We'll be back on Thursday. Yeah. There you go. Thanks for coming. Thanks for listening. So, what a show. See you on Thursday. We'll find some other schlub to fill the third seat. Actually, there is somebody coming right on Thursday or. No. You teasing us? No, no, I thought there was. Oh, no, you. You were saying you thought national was coming Thursday? Yes, but they're here today. Okay. Gone tomorrow. So we'll see. Go check that out. Bye. Most of us are one good deal away from finally replacing that worn out rug, fixing up the backyard, or getting the bedroom we actually want. Good news, that deal's almost here. Wayfair's Black Friday in July sale. Get up to 80% off area rugs and up to 60% off outdoor and bedroom furniture. Shop Wayfair's huge selection of styles and find the piece to fit your style. But budget and space, plus free shipping. Black Friday in July ends July 27th. Shop today at wayfair. Com. Wayfair. Every style, every home.