Can We Just Let People Hobby Their Way? + Collectors Clash + Finding Common Ground

Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now Jeremy Lee in the building and every guess that you ever needed Sports cards after hours keep the hobby heated updates Hobby talk like you never seen it Sports cards live and I could ever beat it Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now welcome to another episode of Sports Cards Live with your host Jeremy Lee. I haven't been following comments lately but there's lots there. If anyone, if any of you guys have anything to say on anything, just put your hand up and let me know. Otherwise I will run through some comments and we can, we can move towards wrapping up I suppose couple here. KK says I see cards in as investments but I think Josh might this from 15 minutes ago might be implying that it is at odds with your other words otherwise risk averse profile. Well I mean that's fine. You can apply what you want but I know my, I know myself so that's just not accurate. Nick Martelli says there's always levels of hot. Sorry, there's always levels to hobbies. Safe to say it's a matter of both for Jay Lee while also leveraging them to find a way to beat stocks and create different avenues of capital while still having fun. I mean to me it's not a hobby, it is a lifestyle. It's more than a hobby for me. The sports cards is way more than a hobby for me. It's like it's almost everything for me. Greg says Jeremy, that accounting analogy explanation is the best example I've ever heard about the discrepancy of how people see their collection. Thank you. I, I, I was happy with that with that as well. Foul ball says this is a hobby, not an income or investment asset again. And then he says a hobby is for enjoyment, not I think foul ball. You're the, the, the disconnect we're having is that you are projecting your, Let me rephrase the way you are typing off your thoughts to me, I am interpreting them as that you are telling people what the hobby is versus just saying this is how I do it. You cannot project your approach to everybody. People just aren't the same. If you do, you're just wrong, bro. I, I, I don't know what, how else to say. You're just wrong. If, if, if you're telling everyone else that that's how they should do it. I'm certainly not doing that. You don't have to look at it that way. What I am telling you is that every time you buy a chocolate bar there is a Journal entry on your abstract financial statement that is taking place. You don't have to accept that, but trust me, it's happening. It's happening. Vintage oddball says, I just me, but I've never bought a card as an investment. It's a freaking hobby. I mean, that's great. That's great, that's great. I mean, car fuchsia says I own a car. It's not an investment. Still want to maximize sale price when time comes? No. You know, going into a. Buying a car that you're going to lose money unless you're buying a truly collectible car. Oh, isn't that interesting? Collectible, huh? Alex says, I collect the cards I like. I believe my cards will appreciate in value, but if my cards break even or lose a little, I'm still happy because I love the cars. Yeah, that's. That's a different level. I think that. And I love that that thought, which is you can look at a card as a vehicle towards getting towards making like a gain, a capital gain, making a profit on it upon sale. That's one outlook or, or one motivation. Another one is I just don't want to lose money. You know, I'm happy to spend 100 bucks on this. I just don't want to sell it for less than under when I come. When it comes time to sell it. In which case we're talking about more like a store of value. But even in that case, the comment still tells me that if you don't, you know, you're still it. There's still the essence of investment in there. There's still an. The essence is still in there. Travis Mater agrees with me. Thank you, Travis. I'm glad we're on the same page. What else we got here? Oh, I'm not. I'm not. Oh, no. There's tons of comments. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah, Y. Jeremy, can I jump in for a second here in this little break? Please do, Chris. Yeah, yeah. Jeremy, I thought you gave the exact right reply to like, there's the. The right. Like structurally the right reply to the purist or the aspirationalist, the optimist, the idealist is to say, yes, you've described an ideal. However, we don't get to live in an ideal world. We live in a world that is constrained by a variety of things. And I think you use the word a realist. You said something along the lines of, I prefer to be a realist about these things. And once I've accepted that this is the reality that there is a financial component to this, that there is a market component to this, that collectibles are going to tend to increase in value, and that if more people become magnetized to this space and join it, that the simple demand pressure is going to drive up prices. Understanding that dynamic just changes the way I do things if I want to. And if I can extrapolate a little further from what you were saying, you know, if I, if I, I can still opt out of the financial game to a large degree because there's still a million cards right now that cost a buck and there's a, there's a thousand sets waiting to be built that aren't the targets most likely of a financial component and that are something that can be enjoyed on the side. And so I just, I think that, like, the answer that you countered with is, is the right answer. The counter to idealism is realism. And then I think we all kind of land somewhere in between those two things. Like we, we have the way that we want it to work, but then we know that there are some limits and constraints, and then we kind of pick where we want to operate. Do we want to completely opt out of this game, or do we want to completely play the game, or do we have fun somewhere in the middle? And there's the spectrum. There is the collector investor spectrum in a nutshell. Absolutely. David, when you were just saying spectrum, that's exactly what was on my mind, Chris. I was just thinking of. This is the greatest commercial for the hobby spectrum, you know, because the purists are the ones that probably get the most frustrated when we talk about investing. Right. And, but at the same time, it is a hobby spectrum. The tycoon is still part of the hobby. Right. So there are many different angles of this. And I know that when you're on one side that's not in the middle, you're going to get more frustrated when you hear. Talk about the other side, as opposed to somebody being a hybrid who kind of understands both sides. So I just think that it's very interesting. And the cool thing about the hobby spectrum, if it really bugs you, you can look and see your fellow purists and take a look and become friends with those people within the hobby spectrum, if that is really like who you want to bond with and not ever talk about pricing. It's kind of cool that we have now that website to kind of play around, you know, talking about these kind of things. For sure. Yeah, yeah, there. Well, I appreciate both the comments from both of you guys there. And there's lots more of, of comments coming in the chat that I'm, I'm noting a few of them. I do want to get to them and I'll talk about. And we'll, we'll get. I'm just. Sorry, I'm still skimming as I'm talking. Josh, do you have anything to say? Can you talk about, I don't know, talk about Frank Thomas for a minute while I go through the rest of the comments and star them so that I can address them? I missed out on a Frank Thomas card tonight because I was talking about whether this is an investment or a hobby. So I think that's a. Probably a symbol of something greater. But no, Chris, Chris had a good point. It's, you know, it is frustrating when you, you know, you have to pay. I have to pay more for cards. I know I'm going against the guy who's going to be at a show next week in his little Zion case, hopping around, selling it to me for 30 more than he bought it less than seven days. Like, that does frustrate me, and it does. I do get tired of talking about pricing and what's this value and what's this invest. Yeah, I'd want to talk about the cards. I really don't. You know, I buy a card, I like it, and then honestly, I put it away and I don't, I don't look at the price anymore, like, oh, your car's for sale. Like, well, it's not for sale because it's in my box in my house. So you know what? Interestingly, I don't either. I buy a card, I don't look at the price. Josh, why, why do you give me that look? Are you, are you living in my head that you know that I look at prices after I buy a card? I'm asking you if you're being honest with yourself. Do you never look at a Joe Jackson sale ever? Never. I, I don't even know when. No, I don't. All right, well, I, Unless. Unless it's put in front of me, I don't go, I don't go searching it unless I see a, A, an Instagram post or something. Then I see it. But, or, or one of my friends sends me a text message, say, hey, did you see this sale? Like, no, I didn't. I don't. I never go to auction houses and looked at, look at completed prices. Like, unless it's a card I missed out on that I want to bid on. Right? No, I do it on. I do it on fanatics at the End of the show, me and Adam, we go through, I do it for the shows that I do. But I don't, I never do. I never do, I never go look at what my cards are worth after the fact. I did it when I was doing my Joe Jackson maneuver. I had to, I had to see what, what they were. But no, I don't. No, I don't. Okay, comments from the chat here. Let's see. Foul ball says cards are my entertainment, not a job. See, I'm lucky. It's my job and my entertainment. Like I don't work. I work a lot. I work all the time. I'm retired. I had a 25 year professional career. I retired from that career and now I do cards. I do, I do hobby industry stuff full time. I work more than I ever worked in my other career. Well, except when I was like articling and I don't feel like I'm working. So I don't know. I really like I'm living the dream. As far as I know, I am living the true dream. Mark says, jeremy, we can say the same thing about each and every expenditure we have in life. Yes, exactly my point. Every time you move money you have, you have a journal entry going into your general ledger which, which ends up hitting your financial statements. Jim says, can it be a hobby if you believe it's an industry or do you have to dismiss the industry portion to keep it a hobby? It all I, it's a good question from Jim. It comes down to your mindset. It just comes down to your mindset. You can look at it however you want. If you're able to exclude the industry drama and happenings then, then you can. If you're on social media, you really can't. Mostly you can't. Charles says, I don't like when industry people try to convince me or others that they're in a hobby. Yeah, I, I get that. I, I, I, I, I think I, I call BS on that a lot of the times. A lot of the time too. Because it's an in, it is an industry. It isn't it, it is an industry. Show me Mad Men says Jeremy, get off my hypothetical ledger. Mark says, again, just think about it as every expenditure you have in life is basically what he's saying. Well, it's exactly what I'm saying. Yep. Frank Mill says, to be honest, the place where I got lost is that I have approached it as a hobby, as investments and as a hybrid of both. I feel like I would have been much better served if I Spent half as much. Thanks for the comment, Frank. I don't need. I think need more context to get more into it but appreciate it. Yankees fan says I love this show. Thank you. Yankees fan Collector Charles is the entire it's not a hobby if you're making money crowd is malarkey that two things can be true. It's just a matter of what's the priority is the card or the money. Sorry? Is it the card or the money? The card can make. Yeah, it's a great, it's a great point. I, I like to, I'd way rather have cards than money, so I don't know what that says, but I like cards way more than money. Charles goes on to say, I got precisionist in my hobby spectrum assessment and I'm quite proud of that. It means I, I haven't deviated from my intended reason for collecting. Yeah, I think that's a great, a great. Like, that's why I'm a precisionist also on the hobby spectrum and I think it describes me exactly. I do have my toes dipped in. Operator, builder, hybrid, Nostalgic. Not as much purist, I don't think. Like, I'm not a purist. I'm, I'm not. I don't think I'm much. There are cards I own where I have a purist approach to them, but that's small. So. Philip Pelley says hello. Jeremy Lee, David Chase and Chris Hoagen. Joshua Adams. Well, hello to you, Mr. Philippelli. Thanks for joining us. Situation is Jay Lee, you said Mark to market every 39 days. No, no, situational. You're, you're, I've noticed some of your comments are, are complete. Are just like misperceptions tonight. This is one of them. You're, you're, you're hearing what I think you want to hear. No, what I said was I mark to market my investments every month. Not my cards. My investments. So do I consider cards investments? Yes, but I don't mark those to market ever. And you know what I like would I. I don't know, but I've got like 2, 000 cards that are like, you know, noteworthy. There's no way I could do that every month. So no, I, I certainly, I certainly. I, I don't. So he said. So I, I don't know if you're a situation. I don't know if you're trying to put me in like a gotcha moment right now because that's what it feels like and what your comments might have felt like. But, but no I don't treat my cards the way I treat my traditional investment. So you can, you can take that for what it's worth and, and just knock off the gotcha moments, please. Philipelli says, I love my cards. I want to. I went today to a local card show and got to meet Greg Miller from Midlife Sports Car. Well, aren't you a lucky guy, Philipelli? I wish I got to see Greg Miller today, too. Chris Hayes. I appreciate Jeremy admitting how much his livelihood is banked on cards. I do have, I do, I do have the ability to go make a very good living elsewhere. Let me, let me put it to you that way. I can, I could, I could stop all this right now and go make a very good living without batting an eye. So my life is not banked on cards, but I'm in a position where, where I can do this and cards help me pay off my house along with paying a mortgage for I don't know how many years I had a mortgage. 10. And so I'm not. My life is not banked on, on, on sports cards. I can definitely tell you that much. So it's interesting how, just how much people misunderstand you, you know, when you're putting yourself out there and talking to an audience. And it's really interesting. I'm learning a lot tonight from a couple commenters here about, about a few things about just how that's why you got to talk a lot, because you need to explain more. But the thing is they don't. They not everybody. There's just a couple. There's just a couple who don't. They just don't process. They don't understand. Either they don't want to understand it or they just, they're looking to. Oh, I got him. I got Jeremy Lee. Look at me. I got him in his chat. You know, it's like, and I see that. I see that when I watch other people's content too. Everyone's got the people who like to, to get the gotcha sort of thing, but at the end of the day, it's, well, situations just trying to understand. Well, then think about how you're wording your comments, please. Because, because the way you've been doing it tonight that I've been seeing situational has not been someone who's trying to understand. It's being someone who thinks they understand and, and is, you know, coming out with a gotcha attitude. So, well, and then you say did not know any of this. So just learning about different perspectives and trying to understand. Okay, well, I guess the way you try to understand doesn't mix well with me. So I guess that's just where we're at right now. Tonight, Phoenix says I buy, I buy a lot and assume they probably are going to zero at some point. But I hope not to sell. So not my problem. Yeah, I mean hey, if you can be there in life, that's great. Like these guys buying five figure cards left, right and center. They don't need the money they're collecting. It's a hobby for them. It's interesting too. Hey, hey guys, like one person buying a card for $20,000. It can be, they can have to go 10, let's use 10,000, let's use 9,900 just to be specific. One person spending $9,900 on a card, it could be risking a marriage. It could be taking out equ. Boring against their house and it could be the biggest card they'll ever buy in their life. Other people buying card for ten grand. I mean they could do that five times a day for every day for the next five years and it wouldn't, it wouldn't impact their ability to, to live a, a wonderful life. So it's pretty, it's pretty interesting. You know, it's pretty interesting that way. So yeah, it's okay. Don't feel, don't be sorry for me situational that I feel that way. That's just how I've perceived your comments and I hope I'm wrong. I hope my, I hope I'm misperceiving them tonight because it's never really been like that before with you but tonight that's just what I've sensed. So hey, but you know, oftentimes if I see at the national. Let's, let's, let's have a, let's, let's have a chat at the national if you're going to be there any card show because that's a great way to work these things out in person. Right now I'm just seeing words on a screen, but I can talk a lot faster than you can type and that puts us at a, in a different position. Right. So sometimes it just comes down to having a real conversation instead of really a one way conversation. Charles says sometimes discourse is better than a gotcha moment. A civil discussion is lost on a lot of subjects nowadays. Absolutely true. Chaser hasn't spoken an hour to the people keeping track. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Fresh Prince. Did Chris win his card? Yeah. What happened? Chris? What happened? Yeah, I won a card mid show but that's all I'm gonna say. And. And wait for the reveal. It'll at some future time. And I. I can't wait to tell the story, but it's not. Now is not the time. Chris wants to tell the story, and he will. Make sure you're subscribed to the Hoag cast here on YouTube and podcast to get that. Yeah, somebody in the chat said, I like to listen to myself talk. Buddy, you got no idea. Tune into my podcast. This is hard for me. This is limiting myself greatly. Map 35 says if I had unlimited money, I would not be able to buy all the cards in the world. But I guarantee a lot of hobby purists would sell out. If you had all, you'd buy all their cards. I think some people would hold out and not sell their cards. Like, they're like. Like, I think some people would. But, hey, who was it? Was it Greg said on a show I was watching that every card has a price? And I think, you know, listen, I am not a purist. I can admit that. Why? Because people often ask, what's the last card you'd sell? There isn't. It's like, if I had to own one card, I don't want it. I'm done. I'm out of the hobby, and I'm not looking back because I would be too. I'd be in. In. I'd be grieving for too long, my loss of the hobby if I were to have to sell everything but one card. But I think. I think there's truth for me that every card does probably have a price. I mean, not that anyone's gonna pay it, but, like, there are what I call the not for sale price. And I will put a not for sale price on any card in my collection. For example, my. My 1914 Cracker Jack, Joe Jackson. What is my not for sale price on that? I think I would sell that for $1.5 million right now. U. S. If anybody wants to buy that card for 1 1/2 million US dollars, I will sell it. And I probably think in 20 years, I'll regret that sale. I think in 20 years, I could probably get more for it. So I. But. But just so you know, one and a half million dollars. Like, I'm just trying to make the point that I like cards more than I like money. But there is a point where I think that does change. I think that does turn over at a certain point and go the other way, where what I could do with one and a half million dollars to sell to sell that card. Any of you? What about you guys? Where do you fall there, David? I, I actually want to ask Josh the question with exactly what you're saying right there. Josh, would you. What would you sell your Frank Thomas collection for? I've never thought of it, so I don't know. I never, never thought about it. I mean, I buy it to keep it, but I. $10 million. There could be a price. $10 million. Sold. Sold. Okay, so there could be a price. There could be a price. Everyone's got a price. But I mean that, that, that, I mean that's a, you know, I think you're, you're making an absurd number to highlight the. Yes, exactly. Exactly what I'm doing. It's exactly what I mean, exactly. Because it's true. It can be true that I like cards more than money, but yet I will sell every card in my collection if the right money comes along. You know, the right, if the right offer from some billionaire comes along. I'm talking a billionaire. If there's a billionaire right now and you want to come buy my collection. I mean, depends who. It depends who. Kevin o' Leary isn't buying your stuff, is it John? Is he? Josh. Here. Jim, I love this comment. He says if you're in these discussions to project your perspective versus seeking information, then you're doing it wrong. This is a great forum for gathering varied info and learn or clarify. Jim, like I, I love this comment because on any of these topics we talk about, like, I just want to get to the, to the logic and the truth behind things. I'm not like I've said this so many times, maybe I, maybe I, I really strive to live this way, which is to just seek truth and not be so. I don't know if the word is narcissistic or narrow minded to think that, that my way is the right way, you know, because as human beings we only like we are the sum of our experiences and what we've seen, what we've, what we've consumed in every way visually, auditorily, that's all we are. What the information comes in that has come into our brain, what we've, you know, the path we've walked. That is who we are as people. And none of us know everything. There's just no way. So I just want to find and search for the most realistic way of looking at any of these topics we talk about. Do I have bias? Of course I do. 100% I do. Everybody on the screen has bias. Everybody in the chat has bias. Everybody in this hobby and or industry has bias. You can't escape it. It's impossible, it's humanly impossible to escape bias. It just is. Even the most, even the least biased people have bias and their bias might be that they, that they're non biased. That right there is a bias. So you can't be, you can't. So what I'm getting at to Jim's comment here, if you're just here to tell people what the hobby is and whether or not cards can be investments and whether or not it's a hobby for you or not, you're not. In my mind, you don't know my mindset perfectly. You know mine better than you know a lot of other people's because I talk, I talk a lot here on this channel and other content creators. The same thing goes Chris Hoge, a great example on, on his podcast. David Chase being Everywhere on, on YouTube nowadays be on many shows. Anyway, you get my point. But that's why this is such a great point because you are doing it wrong. If you're just here to tell people the way it is because you don't know the way it is, you know the way it is for you. And even then you might not know exactly the way it is because you are driven and steered by bias that you might not be willing to accept you have. So accept you have bias. Don't come here to just project your hobby upon other people. Come here to have deep discussions, open your mind and if a theory comes along that makes more sense than the one you currently employ, trade it in. That's what I, that's what I do. I know I see the world the way I see it because of the, because the footsteps I've taken. But if you present me with something that I wasn't able to think about before and it makes more sense to me in my most open minded state, I'm going to trade away my, my previous theory on the way it works and trade it for yours. You've influenced me in that case. Yeah, there's, yeah, Greg, there's a handsome midlife in age guy that also loves to talk. That's why you know, I'm, I gravitate to those, I gravitate to the sports card content that is developing thought, developing theory, developing ideas, talking things through. That's why I love listening to Chris Hoge's podcast. That's why I love listening to midlife. That's why I love listening to Iowa Dave. That's why I love, you know, when, whenever he comes back with whatever the shallow end will turn into something down the road. Brett McGrath, it's, I mean Brett McGrath is, it's all this kind of stuff. It's all about just, it's educational and it's, and it's growth. It's educational, it's growth. And I try to do that here too. So. And yeah sometimes, you know, when you just continually read comments that are like, you know, not sitting well and even for situational adventures like, like, like I want to meet you now. I want to work this out because I don't. Because I probably got a little carried away. I can admit that I probably a little bit carried away with situational tonight. It happens to me if you come around here long enough, you know, it happens to me sometimes. It happens and I apologize, I apologize if I, if I was out of line sincerely because all I can do is read words on the screen and I don't know exactly what's going through somebody else's mind. So there we go. Travis says Jay Lee, the show has so much to offer. You do such a great job. Thank you, Travis. Terry Brown and now I'm reading comments without screening them. Terry Brown says I'm probably behind but it should not be surprising that people get upset and dispute cards or investments. Just look at how much hate Jeff Wilson gets. Fair comment. Rock Latex said. Josh, that's a tremendous Frank Thomas collection. Truly impressive. I'd like to buy it from you. Let's make a deal. Skeppy says Spinotron said on his show he wouldn't, he wouldn't take a billion dollars for one of his coffin cards. A billion? Really? I mean, listen, if, here's the thing Skeppy, we don't know how much money Benetron has, but If I have $2 billion in the bank, I'm probably not taking a billion for my collection either. I'm probably not. But I don't have a billion, so I will. By the way, my collection is for sale for a billion dollars if anybody wants it. Not to toot my own horn says map 35 but card ladder values my Michael Jordan collection at 200k. I would sell for 400 and start over. That's could be fun. Starting over. Absolutely. Some more comments here guys. Midlife says simply said, there's no place for dogma in the hobby or world. Agree. The more you know, says Fresh Prince. What up? Steve Charles says I yearn to be around like minded individuals that want to have hobby talk and not rage bait and try to call people out. This is A great place for learning about this crazy world of sports. Thank you, collector Charles for that comment because that's what I have tried to cultivate here for over six years now. And I'm just glad that somebody and I know you're not alone recognizes it and, and, and is feeling benefit from it. Like that's, that's what I want to be doing here. Mark says, man, I agree, but it seems like it's getting increasingly harder to find the time. Don't know what that's about. Sorry. Just because that was from. Oh, it's only three minutes ago. Chris Hay says is flexing your perspective. It's flexing your don't understand what that's about. Situational says we brushed shoulders at the west coast card show as I met Greg. Who doesn't want to meet Greg? Jeremy from California says, I want to go to Chase's. Chase's barber man, Hollywood number one regular Oreo. I gotta tell you, I saw a video today. I saw a video that was texted to me on my phone by one David Chase. And I want to tell you that his son has a helmet that everyone on the screen is very envious of. Your kid has some great flow, David Chase, let me tell you that. Okay. Jesse says my Saturday nights used to be boring. Now they're existential. Love it. Love it. Jim Defined says Josh is great. Keep it simple. Listen, you can tell that me and Josh don't agree on many things, but I love Josh like a brother. Literally. Josh is like a brother to me. And he. And, and because of that, when I even like turn up the volume a bit when I'm talking to Josh, it's because we've had the conversation. We can. He can handle it. I can handle it. And it's part of the show. It's part of expressing our thoughts on things. It's all good. Mark says there are so many broadcasts from so many people like yourself right now. I guess I don't know what that's about, Mark, if I don't know what you're talking about, because I don't. I would actually argue that there's no broadcast from anybody like myself if you're talking about me anyway. There's, there's none like this actually. Yes, Josh, I say there's only one Jeremy Lee, so there, there can't be anyone like you, so. Well, there isn't. There isn't anything else like this. There are, there are. Sorry, go ahead. You're a true one of one to borrow our friends collecting habits here. So shout out Chris Hoge. You know, there are lots of great content creators in our space, lots of them. And, and we're all different. Every one of us is different. Why? Because we're all different people. That's it. We're not clones of each other. We're all different now. It's not that everybody is great or, or even if we're talking about some of the same things. It's all different guys. And that's why we can pick and choose. Just like you curate your collection. I think I heard Chris, Chris Hoage say this years ago for the first time and I've probably quoted this a hundred times since then attribution to him. But we can curate our as just like we curate our collection. Curate the content that you consume. Chris, was that you that said that years and years ago? I think it was. Probably wasn't the first person to say it, but I definitely did say it at one time. Still believe it to this day. I've curate you. You can curate your life feed, not just your social media feed. Mark says now finding the time. Come on, keep up, Mark. I'm sorry, bro. Like, there's so much going on here. I cannot. It's so hard to keep up with what everyone is talking about with all the different comments going. I don't know half the time if you're talking to me to someone else on the panel, you're talking to someone else in the chat. This goes for everybody. I try, I try. But so. So I guess we're talking about something that you didn't even bring up. Jim says Jeremy, it's not narcissistic, it's stoic. To focus on what's real and to protect your peace. We are sympatical. Thank you for helping me find the right word, Jim. I appreciate that. Charles says content creation is hard in the sports card world. It's tough finding a balance between reporting news going on and trying not to get angry about said news and crash out. But most content is niche too. Yeah, I think, I think that makes sense to me. Steel Cuda says. Glad I stayed on to the end. Great conversation. I. I'm. Are you really still here? Have you been here the whole time, Scott? Because if you are, I'm grateful for that and I'd love to debrief this with you one day this week if we have time or later. Skeppy says the show last week and this week have been different. Half the show, Jay Lee was on fire. So you're saying I'm not always on fire. Skeppy huh? Love this. Chat to hey Carl from oz. What's going on buddy? What's going on? You feel me Mark? I appreciate that. All right guys listen, we're, we're just like last week. We're four hours in. This is meant to be a three hour show. I should be done my walk by now. But now I'm going to be walking my neighborhood up till 1:30 in the morning. Thank you Michael Raider. Always appreciate it. Phoenix sports fan. I just said I'd never sell but for a billion I'll deliver in person and throw in my car. Yeah, I would say, I mean I'm kidding. I'll throw my wife, you know. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Philippelli says thank you Greg Miller. It made my day and weekend to meet you and your dad at a card show. That's so nice. Charles says Hoage needs to give us a teaser about this new card. All right guys, slow down the comments for a moment please because we can go for another hour here but hoage has work to do. Josh has to pick up bagels. David Chase has to get up in the morning. Guys, do you want to, you want to finish this off or what? Thank you Greg. Oh, you're not talking about me. The other. See there's more Jeremy's than we have. Chris is here tonight 2am on the east coast for Steel Cuda. By the way, Steel Cuda, if you weren't here earlier is Chris Lock's father who was our, our featured guest tonight. And Scott, I, I, I texted Scott while he was on. I said kid's killing it. He really did. He's a great guy. I'm so glad he's, I'm so glad I got the opportunity to get to know him better tonight. Talking about our featured guest Chris. I mean I didn't know anything about this guy about, about Chris really. I just knew what his dad had told me. But Chris was awesome and he, he's, he's hope, he's hope for the future. Hobbies in good hands with guys like that. It's a three hour tour says Mark. Good night Yankees fan. Is this Gilligan's Island? Appreciate it Travis. Happy Sunday to you. Situational rock latex. I do live in a safe neighborhood. You rock as well Greg. Thank you for being here tonight and joining us. And guys, make sure you're subscribed to Midlife Cards sports card clubhouse. Of course. Thank you Fresh Prince. Mark wants a bagel. Good night Michael Raider. Charles says Chris is very wise for his age and will do well in this hobbies. Talk about Chris Locke. You should be proud of him, Scott. I know, Scott, I could see that you're proud of him from our conversations. You always speak so highly of him. I had nothing to base it on. I just. Okay, great. But now I get it. I get it. You should be very. You're. You must be a great dad. You must be. And your. Your wife. You must be great parents. Because he's. He's. He's exceptional. Thank you, Brian. Appreciate that. Precision. Precisionist. Selective and intentional, says Martelli. Thank you. Foul ball. Appreciate it. Oh, I always appreciate foul ball because it's good content, right? We're having good conversations, so. All right, that's it, guys. We're done. No more comments. I appreciate them, but please stop. We want to end the show. Guys, it's been great. No David Cooey. It's on the way. I'll be picking it up at the national, actually, but thank you for asking. Foul ball. Still no identity in cards. Oh, foul ball, we developed your identity even more here tonight than you. Than you know. You certainly do have an identity. On that note, sports cards are a lifestyle. All right, guys, that's it. I'm wrapping it up here on June 7, 2026. This episode of Sports Cards Live is now over. And with that, good night, everybody. Thanks for tuning in and being a part of the Sports Cards Live community. 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