Cascading Hype Bubbles 🫧 | The Crossover 6.5.26

Welcome, everybody. Back to the crossover. Today is Friday, June 5, 2026. And we've got giant menu of great questions, exceptional questions this week. But before we do those, we open with mail days. Christina, do you have a mail day? Not prepared. Not prepared. Josh, do you have a mail day? Yes. Three. I'll go fast. Let's go. Let's see. 2014 finest Julio Jones super factor. One of one. Sick. Sick. And then with that, I got this one as well. 2015 finest super factor, Julio Jones one of one on the back. His stats are 104 catches, 1593 yards. And then this one is an underrated one. 2007 tops chrome Sean Alexander super fracture one of one. He is the 2005 MVP. Did 2027 rushing touchdowns that season. It's a very nice card. Sweet. That's it. All right. I'll go quickly as well. Just kind of some random cards here. The first one I have is the 200607 upper deck, hardcore gold one of one of Vince Carter's base set appearance. These. Some of these 2,000 sets I've become familiar with because Michael Jordan has one of ones in those base sets. And so when I saw that one hit ebay, I was like, yeah, that's awesome. The next one I'll do is Emmett smith, his Class 21999 Red Label one of one courtesy of a great hobby friend. And then the final one I'll do has an agenda behind it. It's the 1998 Collector's Edge Odyssey product. And it's the. This is Corey Dillon from let's see here from quarter one. So he appears in the base set three times. This is his first appearing one. And it's the single edge one of one parallel. And I'd love to buy any cards from this set that anybody has. So if you. If you're looking to offload some of your collector's edge odyssey single edge one of ones, I'm your buyer. I love the. The painter's tape over a hidden one of one. Emmett Smith. Yeah. Yeah. Yep, we are back. We're in our assuming grail. Yeah. We're in our top loader painters tape era. All right, let's get to some topics. First question from 1956 Top Sky. I thought you were taking time off. Have you found that the crossover fills a void in your life? So we were going to take off two weeks. I texted this to Matthew but schedules changed and we were only able to take off one week. But what do you think, Josh? Is crossover filling a void? I'M sorry to disappoint this guy. I like how you phrase that. You were like, we were only able to take one week off. Like, instead of like, oh, like we came back early for you, you were like, oh, yeah, we. We had to come back. PLB cards with. The second question of the night says, if you had to collect one player playing in the NBA Finals, who would it be and why? Christina, I don't know if you've watched a minute of these. Well, I guess we watch game one together. I got. I watched game one and I walked into your office when game two was playing tonight, but I quickly walked out again. I used to collect cat. Does that count? It totally counts. Yeah. So anyone who's familiar with my collecting journey knows that I started collecting cat out of 2015. Don Russia. Yeah. What was your first big cat card? I remember the 2015-16 Elite Dominators at a auto out of 25 out of Don Russ that year. It was the best card of the product and I hit it the week he was named rookie of the year. Yeah, exactly. Cage says Luke Cornett. Easy, Josh. If you had to pick and you can pick none. I don't. I don't believe there's no forcing us. Well, it says if you had to, so it does. Well, I reject it. I've also collected a player in this finals, Mikhail Bridges. But if I had to start over. I am a big fan of Josh Hart. I like the way he plays. I like his hustle. He's flying in for offensive rebounds every play. I love it. He's just the guy you need in a game like this. He did. I think he had zero points tonight, but yeah, he had three points in game one and. But he had the best plus minors on the team. I saw him again. Yeah, that's great, man. That's a. I love a guy who can have a, you know, Marcus Smart esque. You can. You can score zero points and still have a huge impact. I saw a real featured Mikhail Bridges today that said he has eaten Chipotle every day for 10 years straight. Are you aware of this? I do. I'm aware of this. Of course. That's like why I collected him probably. I figured it was. We might. We maybe even did a bit on this before, but okay. Probably. Yeah. I think I've seen the article a couple years ago about this. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not interested in collecting any of the players in this series. Just how does he do it? Like leftovers because like they're close on like Christmas Day. Right. There's no way it's real. Yeah, of course. It's like. Okay, okay. Possible. Yeah. All right. General says so. Would like to know how do you value a star player who is not hobby hyped, but who is on the cusp of an NBA title? And bear in mind this is before The Knicks went up 20 that this question was provided. So this is like for cat, I think. Right. Kind of feels like this is a cat question. Is it or. Or is it a Bronson question? Brunson's hobby hyped. He's definitely hobby hyped right now. Okay. The Brunson burner, if you will. I was looking at cat sales before this and he has 57 sales total in the history of public cards that have sold for more than $5,000. WEMBY has 5,000 sales. 5,000 sales. Over five grand. And Towns has 57. Nice. So Brunson has 240. Oh, Brunson has the fewest of all. Or sorry, how many? How many? Say townsend towns at 57. Yeah, it's like towns has like zero hobby love. Like some of his like best cards sell for nothing. That's amazing because Towns was rookie of the year, number one overall pick, Kentucky stock. Yep. Three straight conference finals. Yeah. Yeah. But I guess that speaks to what a different hobby it was. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I saw some. A page of a dealer in the hobby IRock Collectibles was posting some cool Towns. I've seen some really cool Towns cards come out. He posted Towns is absolute memorabilia base set one of one. Which, like, I thought that was awesome. So it's been cool to see some nice Towns cards start flying around. Start flying around. Like Josh Hart and Jose Alvarado chasing down rebounds. His gold prism rookie nine five just sold for $9,000. Well, like an ebay bin auction alt. Oh, wow. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. The 1B equivalent is like a billion dollar card, right? Okay. Well, I guess the question is how do you value them? Do you want to speak on that at all? Short term excitement and then we'll forget about it in three months. But he's saying not hobby hyped. It's. It's fun. If you're like a collector of them, it's fun. You have to like enjoy the moment, you know, enjoy watching them on the big stage. How do you value him? Very quietly. And hope that nobody else. Hope that. Hope you don't ever have to deal with the hobby hype. If I like, if you are a Josh Hart collector right now and Just be enjoying it. Totally, dude. Hard is like low key. Has an MVP case for the finals. It's zero points. Let's get zero points. Dude. He's averaging one and a half points for the series. He had that like 27 point game in that Cleveland series. Yeah, yeah. All right, from out of wax, please discuss the true RPA out of 99. Whatever happened there, have you noticed a shift away from RPAs? This car died in the last couple years. And I think of one in particular that killed it for me. It was the national treasures, Justin Jefferson. Like all the patches are just horrible. You know, they're like one color, maybe two. And you know, they're not game worn, obviously. I think it's just sort of lost its luster and they have stopped caring about it and everything's focused on, I don't know, other sets. Yeah, well, we still see big RPA prices. Yes. Like we were when we were discussing the fanatics premiere from last month and there was multiple six figure NTRPA out of 99 prices in that auction for Edwards and Shea. Right. So, but, but they do seem to have like lost a little bit of momentum. See, one of the things I think about is that NT was it was always the first product and usually sometimes by month or even up to a year or half a year before, you know, flawless and immaculate would come out. And so it just had the head start. And the trade off was that you only got player worn mem rather than game worn. But it was first and it gave people the cards to, to speculate on. But not to state the obvious here, but I think then the out of 99 is, is looming large, larger and larger. Yeah, it's always been seen as like the investment card. You know, it's like you're buying stock in the player. Yeah. Like the high end. Like it's, it's the silver prism of the high end. Right. Yeah. We just haven't talked about it a long time. Maybe is why this question's coming up. We just. I haven't thought about it in a long time. Right. When was the last time you genuinely thought about purchasing any player's RPA out of 99? Maybe like 6 years ago. Same. Yeah. Next question from the currency project, shout out to the currency project. Christina, you have their first Michael Jordan one of one they ever made. Yes. Yeah. Okay. From them. Are 90s football inserts undervalued or does no one care about football? I think that's called a false dichotomy, but go on, Josh. People definitely care about football. It's the most popular league in the United States by a wide margin. 90s inserts. Like, yeah, maybe because, like, it doesn't have MJ to carry the inserts. You know, like, everyone loves the MJ inserts from the 90s. And there's not that, like, big name football to carry those. I don't know, but they're definitely popular. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know much about 90s football inserts, honestly. Well, like here look at. I'm looking at a sale. The Tim Duncan 97 rubies sold for 8, 500. And the John Elway 97 ruby sold for 8, 300. And that Duncan's a rookie. Technically not inserts. Yeah, but the point is well taken. But so we're gonna get to a question later from Drake where Drake is like, and I know Chris always wants an example. And then he has one. And questions like this would really benefit from like, one, two or three examples. Like, here's an example where Charles Woodson is 1/10 the price of Charles Barkley. Right. And then we could analyze it further. So, but anyway, interesting question. I just, I need to, I need to see perhaps what the. What prompted it. So maybe, maybe for next week or whenever. Okay. Squints sports cards asks, is Tops trying too hard to manufacture moments? For example, patches made to be in cards. I actually like this go off. Okay, well, like, our. We're complaining. Like previously, we were complaining previously on this episode or this show, not us. But like in the hobby, people were complaining that, like, we didn't have enough game worn patches. Like, oh, like the jersey market is so high that you can't get. That's the excuse that we are given from manufacturers. You can't get the jerseys to cut up to put into the product. So Tops was like, how do we solve this? Okay, we'll do a patch so that the whole jersey can still be sold, but we get the patch that then goes into a card that gives people a debut card and makes it like an awesome experience for the people who collect it. So, like now we're complaining that, like, oh, they created a patch to go on jerseys to go into a card. Like, they're card manufacturers. Like, of course they're planning for everything to go into a card. Like, what are we doing here? Yeah, people are going to complain no matter what. So in this hobby, it's the right guidepost has never been. Are people complaining? The. The guidepost has to be something else. So you zagged against the question. And then I'LL zag back into the direction of the question, which is that it can start to feel a little bit manufactured. But manufacturers, like, they are, right? They are manufacturing. The manufacturer has manufactured. But. But what they've done that makes a lot of sense is that they've tied the patches to things that are meaningful to sports history. So it's not total gimmick land where it's like, we're gonna have you wear a TOPS logo in a random game, then we're gonna cut that out and put it on a card. They're providing gold logo mans and shields and stuff for MVPs, which is a very meaningful piece of sports history. And they're providing debut patches, which is a meaningful first in the career of these players. So I think sticking to things that have independent historical significance to the sports record books helps avoid this becoming overly gimmicky. What do you think, Josh? Traditionally, the moments thing has been more of a memorabilia thing. You know, like, this bat came from this game or this glove or ball or whatever, this jersey. But in cards, it's really never been a thing. It's always just been about the card itself. Like, if you think of all the most popular cards of all time, you can't even name what game it's from, necessarily. And so in this new world of Tops taking over, I think there is too much of a push on. Like, oh, I think collectors care about the moments and meeting the athletes and all this kind of stuff. And really, I think they're over indexing for that because they're. That they think that's what the collectors want, but it's more about just the cards. It's my take. Yeah, let me just, like, reach for. I'm sorry, let me reach for, like, a crazy metaphor here that maybe can help, because I. I always sort of, like, want to explain this divide. I think maybe this metaphor would help. So Francis Scott Key, I think, was the author of the Star Spangled Banner. Yes. And you can analyze that work from two different points of view. You can say, man, that is a beautiful melody, amazing lyrics, great song. Or you could say, what a historical moment. He wrote this song while in the midst of battle as bombs were exploding overhead. And so I think the sports card collector is the person who says, what a beautiful song. This song is amazing. And I think the memorabilia collector is the person who says, how, oh, what a significant piece of paper that he wrote the song on, because he was sitting on a battlefield watching bombs explode overhead. The sports card collector wants to collect an item that is Stunning, independent necessarily of any tie to history. And the relic collector is overwhelmingly concerned with what anchor that item has to a historic moment. Anybody want to comment on that? I just think that people were complaining a lot and maybe they went too far with the pendulum, but the Pendulum, like, they listened to people's complaints of they wanted game worn, not game used. Thank you, Brendan. And they wanted, like, to know where the card came from or what the patch came from. This is a huge thing that people have been taught. Or not a huge thing, but this is. I've heard complaints about people, like, yeah, but when was this jersey worn? Like, what game was this worn? Like, so they actually went and they were like, okay, we hear you here. We're solving for this. Like, this is when it was worn and. And now we're complaining. I just, I. I just, like, I. I can't get into the complaints tonight. Like, like, oh, no, they listen to us. Like, that's literally what it sounds like. Oh, no, they listen to us. Yeah, like, that's the. Can you Stiff, where are you at? That's the title. That's so good. Oh, no, they listen to it. Dude, I'm about to buy a Francis Scott key rpa. All right, let's move on. Christina Stiff might not be near his keyboard right now. Could you type your title into thank you so much? All right, let's go to the next here. PSA 9 says card prices keep hitting record highs. Have you adjusted your mental model for card prices? There he is. My mental model updates every day when I look at the card ladder dashboard. Yeah, this is actually deceptively a giant question. This is like, explain your thought process for how you utilize, interpret, and work from real time prices as they change over long term and near term trajectories. Which is a giant question, you know, but. Or the question could just be like, are you, are you willing to pay more now because stuff is more expensive at this moment. I took this as like a haha. Prices are going up. You guys should make a LLM model about that. Yeah, prices are going so far up. It reminds me of our first April Fool's Day when Josh made it to the moon button for a collection feature. I need to bring that back. What did it do? It just like added a million dollars. No, it just like doubled. Like, it just made the graph double like for your collection. And then if you hit it like a million times, it just kept doubling. Can I just put that button on there now? We do have to wait for April. No, dude, I'll put that on there right now. People get so confused like adjusting your mental model for card prices. Like it that one of the things that that I think is adjustment worthy is being able to sort of say all right, even though I really enjoyed these other cards, they don't make sense at the price and my dollar goes a lot further and I can find exciting other new things to collect in the price range that I'm comfortable in. That's sort of one way that my mental model updates. All right. JD9 cards says I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the Victor Wembanyama 5 million dollar sale. Believe technically it was 5.1. So I think Christina was really excited. No, nope. That was Josh actually who can't wait to weigh in on this one. I am just ready to hate on Wemby. I'm gonna hate watching these finals just to watch his card prices be unjustified. He has 1650 sales over $10,000. He's like in the MJ LeBron range already. He's like blown past pricing wise Jokic, Shea, like all the Luca, all the like top guys price wise he's blown past Mahomes. He's just. He's literally like butting up against Michael Jordan right now. I'm not kidding. His. His gold kaboom on Premiere right now is like double the price. Not double. Let me check it. It was at like 400000 after BP and the MJ precious metal is a like 3:30. So it's like way past the MJ stuff. His gold kaboom is past like LeBron's bowman gold rookie PSA 10. It's just this stuff is nuts and he. It's. It's baked in that he's going to win like five championships and six MVPs. And he has neither. That it? That's it. That's fried. His prices are fried. He's cooked. You. You put to your story an hour ago A screenshot of WEMBY's 2025 tops Chrome Gold Refractor auto out of 50. PSA 10 which sold for 192000 with Fanatics Premiere on May 22. By the way, his index is up since then. So the car lot value is actually 217 000. And your caption was this purchase looking pretty good. Now with two flexing arms it's gonna be the worst purchase of the year. The car's out of 50. The population is five. There's another one up for sale right now. Yeah, he turned the ball over with 30 seconds left and he missed the game. Winning shot. Cooked. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I'm reaching for my own Wemby rants, but it's mostly apathy. I was. I was never moved in the first place. I do think he's a spectacle. I think he's terrific to watch, and I think they have a great team. I think they're a terrible matchup for the Knicks, and this might even get ugly. It already is ugly. But you know how people say, oh, like Hakeem and Shaq and Jokic, their prices are lower because they're centers and they're like, big and stuff? So does that not apply to Wimby or something? Because he's even bigger, Right? So how that. How does that work? Yeah, yeah, I never bought into that because the center position has the most players with seven figure cards, so I never bought that. But you certainly hear that a lot. I think people are just, like, really looking for someone to grab onto out of one of these rookie classes. And he's the guy, you know, he's the alien. And the media is just hyping him up. They're, like, saying they were talking about on a podcast today, like, how he has the belt for the best player in the world or something. Like, what is this crap? It's what is going on. He's literally like. He's like the fourth best player in the NBA right now. He's the belt, right? I have a rant about this. Yes, please. HOJ also has a rant about this, but I will not say it as eloquently as he articulates, but I won't. I know I'm not able to, but all this is, is the media and the NBA circus trying to prop up yet another player because they don't want Jokic or Luca to be the face of the NBA in one season. This will crash and burn just like the other people they've propped up in the last six years. And, like, we'll all just move on to the next person that they try and throw up as, oh, this is actually the best player, like, in the league. So they don't have to look at Jokic or Don Church and say, yeah, these guys are fucking statistical freaks who are out here every night just being the best players in the world. I can give concrete examples if you'd like. Embiid Edwards, after Edwards, it was Tatum, and then it was Shea, and then now we have Wemby. So five. We have five players that have crashed and burned in. In the fight to not Have Luca as the face of the league. And yes, I am biased. I am a Jokic and a Don Collector, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. And I don't even watch these finals because I have no interest. It's more the Joker thing. Yeah. Because he has the MVPs. He has the finals MVP. Like, he has all the things that Wemby would want, but he really. He already has it. Like, I was hearing them talk about. I think it was Simmons they're talking about, like, oh, the face of the league garbage. And it was like, oh, yeah, mj, Magic Bird. Then. Then it went to Whoever, and then LeBron. And then now it's finally passed over. It's like you just completely whiffed on the six years it's been with Jokic. I just don't. I don't understand it. Like, they basically, like, it forgot he existed because he got out in the first round one year. Dude. Wy. The only reason he's in this position is because he's so terrible. The last couple years and he doesn't play that they've gotten these top picks, and now all of a sudden, they're, like, loaded with top picks and they have a stacked team. So, yeah, it's like, now he's in the finals. Great. Yeah. The same thing could be said about OKC last year. Yeah, this is. This is a great topic. This is a great hobby topic, too, because there's. There's. There's a lot of, like, hobby sentiment in the short term that's downstream from podcasts and tv. And I think there's never been an era where it's more incumbent upon the Collector to fact check and to come up to their own independent conclusions and not just go off of what Michael Wilbon is raving about. The thing that sucks, dude, is, like, he. Wemby is fun to watch. He's great. He's like a. He's a young player. He's 22. He's already top five by all statistical measures. We should be enjoying this, but we can't because it's like he's being shoved in our faces. The best player in the league. He's got the belt. He's $5 million sales now. It's like, we have to zag against this. It's just too much. You just like, they did this to, like, Christina Ralam off. They did this. They forced it onto us, and it's like, this guy's the best. And then a year later, I've pointed this out to you. Guys before, like, Rossillo and Bill used to always, like, rattle through these guys that are amazing, and then they just. The next year, they just completely trash them and leave them out to the dust. And they're doing it to Shay right now. They're like, oh, he's this flopper. We're done with him. We've moved on to Wemby. They did it with John Moran, if you remember. He's going to be the next face. Nope. Too. He's too. Not good enough. You know, he's too reckless. We. We saw this coming, and they're going to do it to Wimby in two years when he, like, gets injured or whatever. Oh, he's too frail. He's too tall or whatever. They're just going to do the same thing. Yeah. They're gonna be like, of course we knew this was a problem. He had that blood clot in his shoulder, like. Right. And, Josh, we're not even giving you the opportunity for one of your most glorious original victory laps. The guy who actually predated everybody we've talked about who was served up, Trey Young. Yeah, the Morant Young one was too quick. It was like, that was gone so fast. It almost, like with Young, like, it almost feels like you're bullying now. Like you're punching down, like. Yeah, bring it up. Exactly. Yeah. The John Morant and Zion tray era is so far away. Well, to tie back in the NT RPA 99 question, I saw Zion had an NTRPI to 99 sell for around 14,000 in a BGS 9 recently. And I saw Trey Young in a BGS 9 sold for 4 or 5,000 recently. Like, both of these sales in the last week. So who the is spending that kind of money on either of those players? Somebody spent 200,000 on Zion's logoman autograph from NT about a month ago. The card that once had a 500k bounty when his hype was at its peak. And, like, I don't know if a player's momentum can swing much further than Zion's did. This is why. Oh, go ahead. No, go ahead. Mine's a longer. Okay. I was just gonna. Mine's quick. This is why I always say money is useless. Like, because people do this with it. Go ahead, Josh. I. You don't have to do this. Please don't. Actually. But I'm just looking at sales history, WEMBY 10k or more, and just scrolling through the cards, and it's just like, you got to be kidding me. There's like, pop 40 car pop 31 PSA 10 cards selling for 15 grand. This is like, it's just not sustainable, dude. There's like Bowman U cards selling for 70 grand. This is crazy. A bowman, you gold refractor PSA 10 out of 50. He's literally wearing those stupid like G League jersey. And the card sold for $68,000. Yeah, I think you had the exact right take, Josh, which is that he's a top five player. Should be awesome for a long time, could make another leap, is on a good team. There's lots of things to be optimistic about, but it's a, like Brendan Ryan quoted you, it's a forced zag when we have to exist in a media environment where like, you know, he's the greatest prospect ever and then he's gonna, you know, Kareem, you know, he's gonna make Kareem look like a chump, you know. And Kareem has the most MVPs in NBA history with six. It's crazy just saying it out loud. The part that really pisses me off. Sorry to cut you off, but like, please, when people have this like really, really short memory of what's happened in the NBA and it's like Victor Womenyama took his first go ahead game winning jump shot attempt in the finals of his entire career tonight, you and I can just rattle off like 10 of these huge plays from MJ LeBron. All these guys, Kareem has six MVPs. These guys have so many of these moments stacked up over decades. And this guy's literally here one time, first shot brick. And it's like this guy's cards are sold for $5 million. That's literally his first even attempt to get into these big stages. Nailed it. And as I think about this more about the mechanism more, it's like this, it's just this like avalanche or cascading hype bubbles. So like a lot of these guys had really, really hyped up the thunder. This is a dynasty. Sam Presti is a genius. SGA has the best player in the world belt. Nobody can beat these guys. They won one championship in which they did not beat a team with over 50 wins. And they went seven games against two teams with 50 wins. They came back the next year, had another great regular season, and then they lost the Spurs. And so all the dynasty talk, all the SGA MVP votes, all of the, this guy's the next Michael Jordan. What if he wins Back to back MVPs and Finals MVPs, he'll be the first guy since Jordan to do that the only guard, along with Jordan to do that. Of course, none of these things had even happened yet. We were, you know, we were. We were profiteering off of content, speculating on things that hadn't even occurred. Like we didn't even earn the right to have these conversations. We were just speculating on what if. And then when it didn't happen, all of a sudden, like all that energy and the shame and sort of the embarrassment of like over hyping one thing, which was the Thunder just got transferred over into overhyping the thing that beat them, which was the Spurs. And Wendy. Yeah, it's true. And now that bubble, that height, not the bubble of Wemby. Wemby is a terrific player and the spurs are a terrific team. And they're just up against the one team. I think that's a terrible matchup for them. And the Knicks were a bad matchup for the Nuggets too. I. I had no faith that the Nuggets could beat the Knicks. The irony is that the Lakers kicked the Knicks butt this year. I think the Lakers could beat this. So it's just, it's all matchups. But, you know, so, so now. And now there's going to be this. There now there, there has to be this. Some. The Wemby energy has to go somewhere now. Like, it's just premature coronations every year. You know, I've been having this rant since Edwards. So I was thinking about when Wemby was lining up for that last shot. I was thinking about that Luca game against the Wolves. I think it was game two when he just freaking put Gobert in the cross sauce and sent him into orbit and made that game. Winning three is like, Wemby has nothing like that. Luca has it. And now we're just like leaving Luca for dead because he's not in this playoffs. And we're just like, Wimby's the goat. I just. It just drives me nuts. We have these moments already. We have these players, we have these accolades. They already exist. Just go look at their cards. Right? Okay, what about the price? What about the 5.1 million dollar price? Let me give some perspective that I thought of on this price. About two or three years ago, when the market was, I don't know, price wise, probably quite literally half what it is right now, and volume wise, half what it is right now. There was a live bounty for Luca's 2018 prison black of 2 million bucks between two big spenders who were sort of like, were publicly discussing that. So 5.1 million. Granted, this didn't happen in a, in a public auction. This, this. Yeah. I think usually in the private setting an overwhelmingly strong offer has to come down to pry a card out of a private collection. Auction is different once it's been relinquished to auction. Now the seller says, you know, I'm ceding control and I'm just serving this up to the market. But this had to be taking place in private context. But if, like, if Luca, who was sort of the hot topic of then, who was overhyped himself, was a 2 million dollar bounty for his prison black, and then Wemby having a more limited rookie year offering than Luca because he doesn't have any on card autographs that are NBA licensed. I think the 5 million price is pretty commensurate with increases in the market since then with sort of the special nature of Wemby's rookie offering. When you consider, you know, Lucas, the, the 2 million in bounty for the Luca prison black as being the, the vantage point. Yeah, I don't even have that big of an issue with the 5 million dollar sale. I just have an issue with the player that you're spending 5 million on. Yeah. Because he has no accolades yet. Like he doesn't need a finals appearance. Like he doesn't. Right. It's very, it's very much speculative. Like, you know, Judge also had a sale in excess of 5 million this year. Judge is a three time MVP. And then I don't need to redo the Otani bit, but Otani is like coasting to a fifth MVP right now, so. All right, let me get to the next question. Jam Collectibles says please. Okay. We just like beat this up. He said, he said please discuss how Wemby is already the goats and the Gen Z delusion of America. I want to know what that last part means. The Gen Z delusion. I don't, I don't think it's Gen Z pushing this. Right. That's, that's what I mean. Like this is being pushed on us by the boomer and Gen X media. Right. I think just saying Gen Z is having to slop it up. Gen Z's not shoveling with their laying down. You let Gen Z breathe, man. They got there, they're out here trying to rent an apartment. The Gen Z is keeping their head, trying to keep their head above water. And they gotta get Kendrick Perkins telling them who the goat is. Give me a break. Let's. Come on. Did I, I unironically was watching the Nick Wright one. I forget the name of the show, but they were talking about who's the best player in the world or whatever. And they were like, was it Brunson, or is it Wemby? And Al Harrington was on the show, and he was like, guys, this is crazy. It's clearly Jokic and Luca. And they were like, what? I was like, wow, look at this. Al Harrington holding it down. Al Harrington. News just in. Al Harrington got deleted from ESPN's lineup. Blackout on any Al Harrington appearances. He'll never show up again. Yeah, you'll never see his face again. That's amazing. I was like. I was doing something else, and I heard. I was like, what? Yeah, we've come, like, all the way to the point where the X players are now the voice of Reese. I know. That's what I was thinking. Like, Nick Wright and these guys are like, oh, I think it's definitely Brunson. Oh, man, that was crazy, dude. Just totally reaching. Yeah. They're like, he doesn't average enough points in the regular season, though. But he's so clutch. Oh, I saw. So there's a fun Twitter account called the Lucifer because Michael Wilbon was given a take, like, today or yesterday, where he said. He said that Brunson is at least as valuable as Luca for making the finals and now being up to. Oh, and Luca verse quoted, and he said, well, if he's at least as valuable as Luca, then why on your awards ballot for this season did you have Luca on the first team and Brunson on the second team? That's so good. It's so good. Shout out to them. They're like my second favorite Twitter account. Shout out the Lugavers. Like, that's just, like. That's a death blow. That's just. There's no getting. You can't survive that. It's so good. It's just so good. All right, let's get to this next one. Oh. From Cardiac Kemba PCs put us back on a positive track. He says, keep it simple. What are you enjoying about the hobby lately? I guess you don't have to take this positive. You could be enjoying the collapse of everything. Can I go first? Yeah. Pivots. Like, all these people. I've been seeing it, like, people complaining a lot lately about prices and being priced out and how horrible the hobby is right now. And I'm just like, can you stop? There's always something to collect. You just might have to pivot. Like. Yeah, exactly. Like, you just might have to. Okay. Like your favorite player. The best cards of your favorite player are out of your price point. Okay? Like, his worst cards are still out there. Like, and if you want to go collect his teammate, like, his best cards are out there and you could pivot into him. Or like, I did, because I did exactly that when I got priced out of Lucas game last cycle. I then moved on to his bench role player, like, friend, started collecting him, putting together a super collection of that. Okay, now I'm not really interested in that because the kid doesn't play much for the Lakers, so what am I doing? I pivoted into hockey, and I'm picking up a hockey goalie where I'm buying one of one rookie cards for, like, $200. Really nice upper deck designs that I just, like, I'm obsessed with. So it's just like, can we stop? Like, are we not adults with, like, free will? Like, can we just stop making, like, the woe is me bullshit complaints about everything? Like, I just. I'm kind of sick of it. I'm just going to copy and paste yours for my answer. Okay? I like that a lot. The pivot. The pivot. Don't lift your pivot foot, though. That's a travel. Oh, depends who you are. Josh, do you want to add anything to this one? I did not let her. Let her cook. Just let her have that one. She can have that one. Thank you. Don't get used to having them, though. I won't. You guys have laughed at, like, a title suggest or, like, made a title suggestion off of what I said. My head is like, I should just shut up for the rest of the episode and just, like, take this as a win. But somehow you won't. All right, this. Josh made sure that we got to this question. So because he. He's. He's growing. He gave you an actual example. This is great. You have to appreciate that Drake is, of course, very underrated. Yeah. And misunderstood. Right. He had a nice appearance this week on Staging Slabs. He called me out for that because he. I asked him, like, where'd you get the card? And he's like, you didn't listen to my newest episode? And I was like, whoops, how dare you not listen to that immediately. Little does he know you run 29 miles a day, so you need podcasts on backlogs. Yeah, he's got a. He's. He's actually right. I should have. I have plenty of time. All right, let's go. Drake's PC. Much has been made lately about the plastic tax of paying up for grades and whether it's worth it or not for Your personal collections. When do you all think the plastic tax is worth paying? And when do you choose to get lower graded copies instead? Chris always asks or Chris always wants me to give a specific example. So here you go. I have The Peyton Manning 1999 Metal Universe Linchpins PSA10 Pop1. I love the uniqueness of having a 27 year old awesome looking insert in the only PSA10. But I also wonder if I'd be just as happy having an eight or nine and an extra six grand in my pocket. But I also question if I'd still want any copy of the card once it loses the uniqueness of being a non one of one in the only PSA 10 holder. Josh, great example. He laid it out perfectly. He's got the PSA 10 pop one versus something else. The only thing I'll nitpick is like he doesn't need to sell this now and keep, you know, like. Or he doesn't have to sell this and go buy the eight and then keep the money in his pocket. I, I think knowing him, he's gonna, if he were to sell it, he would put that towards something more rare. And he doesn't actually care about having the PSA 8 version of this card. It's not rare enough. It's not going to excite him. So I would say like, wait until there's something else on the horizon that you maybe need the cash or maybe it's a trade or maybe it's a auction to help pay for the new thing or maybe just keep it and move it forward. But I have a feeling he'll eventually get bored of this car. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. I just, I've been in the situation previously where my pop 1 PSA 10 becomes a pop 2. So I would just caution like that's not a real one of one, that's a pop one and there's nothing stopping it from becoming a Pop two if someone has a copy that they grade. So yeah, yeah, bacon that other PSA 10 risk. Yeah, yeah. It seems like there are different ways and they sort of evolved over time of creating rarity. One of them is condition rarity. Like pre grading still having the best condition copy of something, the one that looked the best. And then there was the in person autograph which like getting the card autographed made it belong to the much smaller subset of autographed versions of that card, thereby creating rarity. Then grading came along and having a card in the highest available condition, especially if it's a very low population in that Condition and especially if it's from the most premium grading brand that creates rarity. And then you get to the card companies actually making the cards themselves extremely rare by serial numbering them and, and, or having limited print runs. So it's all different ways to sort of get to the same point of having something quite exclusive. And other than that, I just. So his, his question here is for your personal collections, would you pay the plastic tax? Would you pay up to have a low pop PSA 10? So Christina, would you. At this point in my collecting journey, no. Right. I wouldn't collect this card at all. No, probably not. But I can see why someone where they are in there collecting world, I can see them wanting to do it. I pulled up the profile of this card. It is a total population across the four grading companies of 84. And it's the only that PSA 10 is the only gem across all four. Nice. Yeah, it's a cool card. That's. And if, if the difference from an 8 or a 9 to a 10 is 6 grand, sounds like that's a 90s football insert. That's got a healthy price tag on it. The nine is about a thousand bucks and the ten sold for seven grand. That's what he's referring to. Yeah. Okay, got it. I would probably downgrade if I was him. Yeah. I mean it's interesting, right? It's like, do you like the card or do you like the card only because of its elusiveness and high condition or high grade? Right. Jinx. Yeah, but I, I certainly get the appeal of like having the. A rare or one of the rarest versions of a card. Whether that's through the grade or through an in person autograph or through a serial number or just through a really low print run. All right, KB24 cards. I think we're going to see more of this if we're not already seeing a lot of it. He asks why does everyone think that their one of one card is worth a million bucks? Or how do you negotiate with someone for their one of one if they think it's worth a million bucks? I think he literally means that knowing the category of cards that he plays in. Yeah, like he's quite literally coming up against people who are like, oh, a million bucks for this card. I know who you are. You will be paying a million bucks. Sir, is there any answer to this? Like this, this, this does seem to be like a final stage problem. The, the final boss of one of one collecting is sort of when people are like, oh, actually maybe I will Keep this one of one and see what I can get for it, rather than, like, dump my one of ones to you so I can go pick up a PMG red out of 135. I. Honestly, dude, I can't believe people haven't done this to you yet. You've gotten away with it for, like, a year now. And I finally saw someone post a story of, like, oh, Look, I got MJ101s and I'm following Chris. What a genius. And I was like, finally, someone is, like, figuring it out. He's been sneaking around for, like, a year doing this. But the thing is, he wasn't sneaking. He literally telling people, like, on his podcast, this is what I'm doing. This is what I'm thinking about. I know. Like, I know that gave it a very friendly feeling. Like, oh, well, if he's telling us what he's doing. Well, I think, yeah. People were like, it can't be that good. Yeah, exactly. Blabbing about it. Yeah. Like, if he was actually genius, he'd be doing this privately, so I'm not gonna follow him. There is something to that. I think there is definitely something to that. Like, if you. If you're talking about something, it feels very common and obvious. Like, oh, well, yeah, well, I just. But I do get this feeling that this question is semi related to that in that people are starting to slowly figure it out or catch up. Like, hey, it's a 101. So I control the. I control it, and I can control the price, and I can say, it's a million dollars. There's only one of them, you know? Yeah. But, you know, so then. So then the. The game shifts back to the collector to say, like, I'm not gonna pay that. Of course. Yeah. But, like, also, like, the second. Because, remember, these guys who have them, like, they don't want to keep them. They're valuing it at a million dollars just to see if they can get that out of you. Right. Yeah. Well, he says, like, how do you negotiate with someone for their 101 if they think it's worth a million dollars? And the thing, like, you go back to same player, similar card, similar player, same card is how I usually try to negotiate with people when they're being sticks in the mud and there's not a real comp to go around. Yeah. A question I'd pose about one of ones, too is like, I think one of Ones are really exciting because they still have flown under the radar, especially in certain eras, like 90s and even 2000s, at least for some of the sets. But, like, when they do start getting priced higher, are they as appealing anymore? I think that's a question worth asking because maybe they're not. And then maybe you pivot again and you find a different pivot. So I want to read this funny thought that, like, the ultimate pivot, like, the end collection game is like collecting Back to the 86 Fleer set. No, like, building a set out is like, the. The, like, end result. And then everyone just feels like they're kids again. And it's just like, this is literally where we started building out master sets. Like, yeah, all the way back around. Yeah. I had someone message me, and they had, like, the whole rainbow of 2014, Devonte Adams prism. And I have the black. And they're like, hey, just messaging to see if you can help me finish the rainbow. And it was like this total awkward, like, well, no, you're missing the big one, bud. I don't think this is gonna work out. That's the thing, too. Like, yeah, you should get. You can't put it together. You can't say you're putting together the rainbow until you have the one of ones. Yeah, it was just like. Well, he's like, so is it for sale? I was like, nope. Okay. I wanted to read this post from Contrarian Cards because I think it's kind of like, on this topic a little bit. I just thought it was very clever. He. He wrote this. Make sure that you are the one benefiting from your best ideas. Actualize your ideas before you share your ideas. If you stumble into a segment of cards or type of card that you feel is undervalued, do not share it with the Internet. A couple things could happen. One, if you happen to be quote unquote right, and these cards were underappreciated for whatever reason. You may be creating unnecessary competition for yourself. But here's the part that I really like, he says, and if you happen to be wrong and the cards are just cheap because nobody likes them and never will, you might end up second guessing yourself and doubting your own taste. And there really is no reason for that. You saw the value on your own, and if you like them, then you should like them. So share once you have done all the damage you'd like to do first and then let the likes fall where they may. I really like that second part where he's like, the reason why you should keep a lid on something that you found that you like is because other people might not like it. And it could Be a blow to your confidence if they don't like it. So just keep it to yourself. And then you don't ever, like, risk, like, creating that crippling self doubt that comes from sort of having one of your ideas rejected by the group. You're showing me those collector's edge cards, and I was like, this is the upper deck. And you're like, no, it's different. I was like, oh, cool, dude. Literally, like, that's his point, is like, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're even, like, slightly, like, if. If it's going to hurt you, like, if you strike out into this lane and like, other people don't like it, you know you're gonna do. These collector's edges are crazy. Let me show you something. I saw one of these in person for the first time out of a slab. And. And I. And I. So I, like, I took it out. I want to, like, smell it and look at it. And, like, I don't know if you'll be able to see this. Christina, can you put me. Yep, I'll do it. These cards are actually two pieces of cardboard stuck together, rather. Oh, I can tell. I can see it. Oh, you can tell rather than one. It's like a front. I saw it, like, when you angled it a little bit. Yeah, okay. So, like, I was looking at these. I was like, oh, dude. Like, is this. Is this splitting? Like, I was like, oh, is this. When I. When it first showed up in my hand, I was like, oh, crap. Is this two cards stuck together? And it wasn't. It's just. It's just that's how these were made. It was certainly, you know, I don't know, like, I don't know anything about producing cardboard in the 90s, but I was like, oh, this is. This is like, maybe a little bit lower rent. Right? Those guys didn't stick around very long. Yeah, no, they did not. And so that's kind of like the third zag. The third zag is like. Or you find something that you like, and you talk about it, and you just, like, know that nobody's gonna like it. And that's the whole point. That's the whole point is to, like, have a thing that you do like, and you know that nobody else likes, and you're fine with that. And you're. You still want to do your collecting thing? Yeah, I sit in that bucket. Totally. I think a lot of. I think most people sit in that bucket. Like, we're not in eighth grade anymore. I don't care what you think about Me or what? I like. Yeah. So we're coming about an hour here. Do we have some time? Look at Cage. Cage Chimes in with Edge was actually ahead of its time. They did a ton of acetate and see through stuff. The 90s before anyone else did. I still have some collectors. Edge Bledsoe cards. I like them too, so especially because, like, that Corey Dylan, like, Corey Dillon was a. Was a cool running back, had a decent career. That card was like. It wasn't very much. It was maybe like 150 bucks or something like that. So whatever. Okay, so do we want to get to a few more here? Pick your faves. All right, so let's just, like, do. I'll just do the next three, and then we'll be done and we'll do them quickly. Tutu sports card says, if you broke down your entire collection, which five athletes have you spent the most money on? And if you had to start over and spend all that money again, would you change anything? Take it. Take it or leave it. Because even if we don't want to answer something, the listener at home can think about for themselves. I don't know. I'm not a fan of, like, I would have done this and just bought all MJ and got rich and bought a mansion. You know, it's like, I don't know what would I have done differently? I'd have a. I would want to have the collection I have now, so I wouldn't change it. But, you know, LeBron, MJ insert football players. Yeah, it's like to. To answer this question properly is a big retrospective on, like, well, you know, maybe I was a little bit caught up in the hype of this particular player at this time. And there were other players who are undervalued at that time relative to that player. And, like, it's. That's a big question. I should have bought like a billion of those Pikachu umbreons, you know, then I'd be. Then I'd be living on a yacht. Well, like, my, My, like, collecting regrets are never what I bought, but what I didn't buy. Like, I still remember, like, a certain card. I won't name it. A certain card that was offered to me when I did not have the money to buy it. And, like, I think, like, I should have, like, borrowed money from someone or, like, I should, like, I should have figured out a way to make that money so that I could have bought it when it did, when it was offered, instead of it then going to auction a few months later for 4x the price. Totally. Okay, next question from Ryan Bitter. It's actually a two parter. He says we all experience fomo, but I find this especially difficult when chasing one of ones for obvious reasons. Can you talk about how you mitigate or navigate your fear of missing out while chasing one of ones? Kind of dovetails nice with what Christina was just describing. And then the other question was, putting aside who you collect already, would you rather have a one of one of a mid tier player from a top tier set or a one of one from a top tier player from a lower tier set? Assume that the prices are equal. So take either of those if you'd like. I mean, I'm a player collector, so I'm gonna go for my player in the best set I could afford. Yeah, this is like us taking on players we don't like in this scenario. I would not want that. I'd much rather have a set I don't like. Yeah, yeah, I agree. What about fomo? Oh, go ahead. The. The lower tiered set is subjective and the player is objective, right? Yeah, that's the big point. I think that's the big, big point right there. And what's lower tier today might not be lower tier in 20 years? Like. Yeah, and like, you find yourself in absolutely the perfect sweet spot if you find a set of your player that's considered lower tier that you think is awesome. All right, last. Last one here from Cage. Cage says, talk to me about playing years cards. It's an easy thing when a player plays for one team and they stop playing. But what about when they switch teams? So here's an example. Messi, he was playing for PSG in 20, 22, 23, but Topps made some cards that year with him in his Barcelona jersey. Barcelona, he was still clearly playing. But do you consider those playing days cards? Or asked another way, Tom Brady was still playing in 2022 for the Tampa Bay Bucks, but there is a kaboom card for him that season in his Patriots uniform. Do you consider that a playing days card or not? And thank you for the great content. You're welcome. He's trying to like, gotcha us here. I know what he's doing and I thought about this and this is another example of a thing where I rank out factors that make me want to buy or not buy a card. You know, and it's like the player, then the rarity, then the set, then is it playing days? Is it not? And this is like way down the list of like, oh, is it playing days? But Is it on the wrong jersey? You know, these are questions you have to ask yourself. What are you willing to take on and add to your collection? The Brady Bucks one is weird. You know, they're. It's just a random thing. I don't know anything about soccer, but that sounds strange to me. I would not take these in as playing days cards because it's not, like, correct. It's an. It's like a weird decision the manufacturer made. Yeah, I'll go a different way with it. I'll say this is a category error. The question isn't, are they playing days or not? Because playing days is a term that is that I would. For my practical usage, it's simply describing whether or not they were an active player when in the season in which these cards were distributed and released and associated with. So if Brady was playing in 2022, it happened to be on the Bucks. All the cards that come out for 2022, by technical definition, are playing years, because all playing years means is, was he playing? However, there's a different question here, which is, are the cards contemporaneously documenting his season in his career, or are they commemorative? That's the. That's the category that this. That the dispute belongs to. And so if you have a Brady card in a patriot uniform from 2022, especially it being an insert set, because insert sets, unlike base sets, all have a commemorative flavor already. They're sort of not trying to document a season. They're what ties them together, sort of an artistic theme that. That now that car starts to take on a very commemorative flavor. So I think the question is, are. It's not, are they playing days or not, but are they commemorative or not? And then I think you can have answers both ways. Like, LeBron's 2018 prism is an example that jumps out to me where he's in a Cavs uniform even though he was on the Lakers that season. But I don't think that has a commemorative flavor. They just didn't have an updated picture of him to use. And so they put in little text on the card traded to the Lakers, and then they use a cab's uniform, and that was that. And. And that card is documenting him as a player as his season progresses. It's a contemporaneous card. Whereas if you had, like, a set from 2018 that showed LeBron and, you know, Miami Heat uniform, and the theme of the set is, like, Finals MVPs, and it shows LeBron and Miami Heat uniform, even though that's a plain days card, it has a commemorative flavor. It's not documenting what's. What's currently going on in his career. It's documenting something about his legacy, something that he accomplished. So that's how I would attack that. I also want to point out that some of the leagues until very recently were very strict with editing photos and jerseys. I know from talking with friends who work for manufacturers that it was very recently that Panini was allowed to, like the last couple of years, Panini was allowed to photo edit jerseys to match the teams players were currently playing on, instead of having to do a photo shoot or put photos of their previous jersey, like, team in the set. Awesome. All right, well, we didn't get to a great questions, but that's read Black Hat cards. Yeah, yeah, I saw that one, too. Black. He's a good friend of ours. Have you ever had a hobby friend send you a card listing because they thought the card would be a great addition to your PC and the card turned out to be something you had recently traded or sold? And if so, would you please describe how you felt? I've totally. I've had. When I did my McAffrey sell off to consolidate into his shield, I sold, like, I don't know, 50 or 60 McCaffreys or something like that. I don't remember exactly. And they do surface and resurface from time to time. And people send them to me because they know I like these McAffrey car, this type of McCaffrey card. And like, I'm just like, yeah, that used to be mine. And they're like, why don't you have it anymore? You know, sometimes they follow up that I was like, because I consolidated into the shield. And like I said, I didn't want to have too many McCaffrey cards. But there are some cards from that consolidation. I just. I've learned so much more about collecting since then, and I really wish I hadn't gotten rid of some of those. There's a sense of, like, the person who sends it to you. I've sent you the same McCaffrey select, like, four times myself. Yeah, yeah. It's a sense of, like, excuse me. I just spent time out of my day to send you this. Why are you not buying this and jumping out of your chair in excitement? You should be. I. I've given you this opportunity, and you're just turning it away, Dude. I've never figured out how to navigate the awkwardness of me sending to somebody else a card that I think they're interested in without wanting to put the Pressure on them to be like, now impress me by buying it immediately. I showed you an example where I sent someone a card and I can't believe they didn't buy yet. It's still on ebay. I'm like, I'll just buy it and give it to you. Palace. What the heck? Yeah, it's tough. It's weird. There is a weird dynamic that isn't spoken about, which is like, the weird pressure when, like, somebody sell sends you something or you send something to somebody, and then it's like, they don't buy it. And it's like, I don't. I literally don't care. All I want to do is just pass along a piece of information very neutrally. Right, right. But it's. There is still an awkwardness. I think you should message them back and be like, that card is trash. I can't believe you're sending me this absolute garbage right now. Please never message me again. I'll try that on the next one. Don't do that. Shout out to Mrs. Black Hat. All right. Yeah, we really did not get some great ones here, but they're some really in depth one. Look at Andy. He's on his rant again. Look at that. Yeah, he's ranting against patch cards, particularly logoman and shields, because he thinks that there might be a bit of a distraction from enjoying the cards aesthetic when so much of its surface is dedicated to basically showing a corporate logo. Look at this. Look at this zinger. At some point, did the hobby stop celebrating car design and start celebrating corporate logos? Yeah, corporate. That's good. Yeah. I can't. I can't even argue with that. Tim, he sent me, like, edits of patch cards with, like, the area where the patch exists just, like, blank. And he's like, if. If you're not. If the patch is excluded, what. How many of these cards actually have nice designs? None of them. You know how people like the shield? You know, then the NFL shield, you gotta represent or you gotta respect it. It's like. You mean the company who, like, sells advertising space for, you know, men's razors? Yeah. I'm so excited about that. Drugs, alcohol. I was trying to be nice. Those are their three. That's all the super bowl was this year was drugs, alcohol, and gambling and the occasional horror film. Yeah. Oh, dude. Give me five minutes and I'll do a whole dude Christmas tree shapes drawings and horror movies during sporting events with family. I could go off on those two forever. Let me. I want to give a really quick answer. I Think you should be able to. This is what? Never mind. It was gonna go off on a. Go ahead. No, no, let's bring this home. This is from playing years. I just wanted to address this really quickly. He said, thanks to you guys, only collect one of ones. He's going to be setting up in a show, but he's having a hard time figuring out how to price them. The Columbus Card Festival, which, if you are in the Midwest and you have no plans at the end of June, you guys should think about going. Yeah. Oh, and then he has an example. He goes, when I was recently upcharged by PSA, when one of my one of ones jammed, they cited other PSA 10 101s of the same players. Justification for the upcharge. What is your favorite method of value? One at once. Okay, so I want to quote Brent from Deep Value Investor, because he gave a line on a podcast this week that I thought was succinct. He said, because people ask this, like, how do you value this card? Like, well, you got one on ones or how do you value those? And he's like. And he just goes, there's always a comp. There's always a comp. And I. The way that I interpreted that is like, if, for example, if you go to card ladder sales history. How many sales are in there right now, Josh? 250 million. Oh, dude. At least 300 million. At least. Probably more. Find the one. If there's not a comp of your exact card, find the one that's the closest there's a comp. I just. I think that that was sage advice. There is a comp. It might not be perfect, but there's a comp. And then guess what? There's going to be actually multiples and you're going to be able to find. Find the closest thing to your thing. Don't just give up. Oh, well, there's not. I'm not. I'm not saying that Chrissy Bacchus is doing this. I'm attacking a straw man here. But don't just be like, well, my exact card of mine's in my exact grade, hasn't sold before, so nobody knows what it's worth. No, there's. There will be adjacent things and there's probably some that are quite on point that can be helpful, that can be reasonably analogized to. All right, or just say all your cards worth a million bucks and see how that works. Yeah, I was gonna say that's. Isn't that. I thought that was the move. That was the moral of the episode. Okay, let's wrap this thing up. We've. We're coming up on 75 minutes here, and we weren't even supposed to do this, so. That's right. This is bonus content. You're welcome. I had to watch that fourth quarter. I needed this show. Oh, turnover brick. Free throw. Airball brick. It's good. Lord, this card died. Oh, no. They listened to us. His prices are fried. Cascading Hype Bubbles. That's good. Forced zag. And the third zag. I mean, we can all agree, right? This is. This reminded me of the trip that we just took. Oh, no. I have to eat more delicious food. Oh, no. It's ice cream time again. Yeah. This is horrible. Yeah. I would say, like, Cascading Hype Bubbles is sort of on brand. That's my favorite one. But. Oh, no. Like, they listen to us with, like, a scared face emoji. Also good. I think that's good. We already promised it to her, like, 20 minutes ago. She was like, I got the title already. And I said something smart, and we were like, yeah, yeah. And then she, like, banked on it. She. She baked it. Said I should have stayed quiet. That's why we should take it away. That's why we absolutely have to take it away. You do. I know how this works. You were like Bill Simmons talking about Wemby. You baked it in. You baked in his championship. I didn't say that you guys gave me the title. Rewind it, please. I said you guys called out a title that I said. So there's, like. I didn't say that it was going to be the title. She was trying to juice it up. No, I was just trying to be like, oh, my gosh. After you guys were razzing on me for a whole fucking week in person. It felt nice that, like, you guys were giving me props publicly to make everyone assume that's how this works. I'm fine with either. I'd probably do it. Do it. Do it. Go ahead. I think the high bubble one's better because of the Wimby thing. Yeah, you're fine. And. And let me say something nice. Christina laid out, like, the. She, like, went through the eras of the players that led you to think of the cast. She actually gave you the idea. She did. So we're actually crediting this one basically to her also. Right. Okay, now I know something's wrong with you both. So we're not doing crossover next week. Listen up. I'm voting for. Oh, no, they listen to us. Josh is voting for Cascading high bubbles. And Christina, you have to pick given that you are credited with the genesis of each and then whatever she votes will vote again. She's the opposite. Yeah, like, I know how this works. This is just a provisional ballot, by the way. This is like Los Angeles voting. We're going to count the votes we want. Snap 24,000 votes in a row. Look at that. Go on. I'm going to say cascading hype bubbles, more on brand for us. Let's go. Plus, also, I came up with that. I came up that you didn't. I know you did. Oh, no. They listen to us. Is like me my mocking our listeners being like, stop fucking complaining. Which I said like four times. This episode mocking our listeners is you're making a good case to switch over to that one. Let's go with pipe bubbles. All right, see you guys next year. Cy Card ladder is the most respected sports card analytics app on the market. We have virtually every card in our system. If the card you are looking for ever sold on one of these platforms, you can find it using card ladder's sales history. Easily find recent comps and get a better estimate what your cards are worth. See why card ladder is the most trusted and the most reliable sports card analytics app on the market. We know what you want because card ladder was created by collectors for collectors. Join the innovators, not the imitators. Hard ladder constantly innovating.