Dave Schwartz returns for Part II E402

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As always, glad to be in your audio device and thank you for giving your time and your attention to this show. Let's you know we just celebrated our 400th episode a few weeks ago we did a giveaway. We randomized everyone who entered and we we've Beckett our winners. So I'm not going to give last names because I, I don't know if those folks want those last names given but I'll give first names and, and you know announce the winners if you will. Winning card packages which are assortment of cards graded raw and Whatnot. We have two winners in, in those categories. Drake and Richard winning the Upper Deck wax box, you know sealed wax box of sports. Their sports release Debbie. Congrats to Debbie. Winners of a smaller wax box I think tops 206 from 2001 and some cards in the slab Guard, Yu-Gi-Oh Travis and our two winners of the one year memberships to card ladder, our great sponsor Jason and Darrell. So there are your six winners by first name only. If they want to publicly announce that they one-of-one that'll I'll leave that up to them. But those are the six winners and thanks to everybody who entered. I wish I could give away something for everybody. Unfortunately you know we're limited with, with what we can give away but we, you know we have six winners so congrats to them. Want to acknowledge our sponsors, sgc, Iron Sports Card, Sports Collectors Digest, Hobby Hotline, Upper Deck Card Ladder and a Certified trading card association. All right, so this is part two of our conversation with Yu-Gi-Oh Dave Schwartz of the shallow end and another podcast. And we're going to dive deeper, more into like, some of the, you know, the, the things you like about podcasting, things you don't when you know it's time. All that, all that good stuff. So Dave's a great guy. He is still on the podcast airwave, so by all means, check out his content and glad to call him a friend. And again, this is part two with Dave. 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They should have much like you say with like grading should have like a one building just great Pokemon. But like you say that sort of, you know, know where does that stop everyone's Going to want their own building, if you will. And even here locally, and I know nationally, like, that's an undertone, is like, there should be all. An all Pokemon show only and no sports, and there should be a sports card show only and no Pokey. And, you know, someone asked me, like, what do you think, John, when. When you hear that stuff? And I just, as someone who doesn't do Pokemon, like, it's not going to hurt my feelings to. To either set up at a show at a dealer or Whatnot as a customer and have it be all sports card. I'm being, you know, transparent there, but I also don't want to be the guy, you know, Jackie Robinson's my idol, right? He broke the. The. The. As we all know, I don't have to tell the story of Jackie Robinson. So I don't want us, you know, thinking about segmenting the hobby. Like, that is sort of going against sort of what. What he stands for. Like, where we. We can't all, like, live together and, and coexist together. We all have to be in separate leagues, if you will. So I sort of wrestle with that. And, And I guess my answer to my own question for me, Dave, is like, if it's accepted and no one's going to be really that upset about it, then I, you know, we have a show here in the Syracuse area that's called Pokefest. And it's. That's all it is, is, is trading card games. You one-of-one see sports cards there. So it's not like it's not happening already. And I'm sure if it's happening here in Syracuse, I imagine there. There are other TCG events. So I'm, I'm, you know, I just. I'm against anything that sort of makes anyone feel alienated. But I also, you know, as someone who just does sports cards, it wouldn't hurt my, you know, going to just a sports car show. You know, kind of your feelings with that sort of sort of segmenting the hobby on the show level. It is kind of the way I diverge from my thoughts on grading. It's a little bit different for the show, and maybe it's the selfishness of how I want to go to a show, what it means. So, you know, I don't, I don't mind PSA or Beckett or CGC or. Or TAG grading TCG and sports, because that's what they do for their living, and that's great. But part of me does kind of wish the shows were separated because they're really different. Hobbies, you know, you wouldn't have like the. The golf and knitting expo. Right. You wouldn't put those together. Those are separate hobbies. Some people like to knit, some people like to play golf. TCG and sports. I know there are people who collect both, but they're inherently different. And I'm just really bummed when I go to a show and it's 50, 60, 70% Pokemon. And like other people have said, I love that there's a hobby for people who collect it. This was billed as a sports card show, and instead I do a walkthrough for 15 minutes and leave because there's nothing really relevant. And, you know, this is not my business. I don't. I'm not a showrunner, but it strikes me that there might be opportunities to increase revenue by having separate shows where maybe on, you know, on. On Thursday and Saturday it's tcg, and Friday and Sunday it's sports. I don't know how they do it, but do do something or one weekend is the sports card show, the next weekend is tcg. Why not? Because. Why? While there are people who cross over, especially younger people who cross over between the two, and it's convenient for them to be at a show where there's both, it's. It makes it harder to enjoy. No, enjoy is the wrong word. It makes it harder to navigate the experience. On the smaller show end, the national is not a problem. It's almost all sports. But on the smaller type shows, the more regional ones, it makes it harder to navigate to and less worthwhile to go. When. When. When you've got to drive an hour or three hours to get somewhere and it's only one third of what you're actually looking for. I almost feel like it's like. Like misled in a way, or it's like some sort of a bait and switch. Like, you got my 10 bucks to walk in here, but I might as well. I just should have gone and gotten a Big Mac with that instead of, you know, because at least then I would have gotten something out of it. So, Yu-Gi-Oh I am actually for somehow separating the hobbies at the show level. I just don't know how to do that. Yu-Gi-Oh well, it. It's funny you say like that because I was doing a show and I one-of-one mention it. If someone want to do the research, they follow me to play detective and figure. I was doing a show about an hour north of Syracuse here as a dealer, and when I first started doing the show, like three years ago, Go. It was heavy. You know, heavy sports card, vintage, modern, ultra, ultra modern. And then it started to change over to Pokemon. And so I was doing very well. And not that it's about dollar signs only, right? But when you're traveling an hour to and from a show as a dealer and unpack, bringing everything in, bringing everything out. What slowly happened with that show, Dave, is like, much like you said, it became sort of. It gradually became more of a Pokemon show. And I sort of became like the dinosaur just hanging on. And not, not just me, I don't want to make it like it's all about me, but it became almost like 60 Pokemon, maybe even 70, and then 20, 30%, you know, sports cards. And because of that, people who collect a sports card, like. And it makes sense, right? I don't blame like much. Like you said, people collected sports card came with company air. And like there, you know, there's 60 tables, but only like 20 of them are or. Or less are sports cards. And at first I think it actually helped because there was less competition because I had four. But then those people stopped coming, right? Much like you said, because they were paying five bucks to get in. And in 15, 20 minutes, they saw all the sports card table and maybe they bought something, maybe they didn't, but they were. They saw everything and they were done. And like, we have a show here in Syracuse that's a much bigger show. 120 tables. That's. So a lot of them were just say, hey, I'll just wait for that one. And so a lot of that traffic, at least on the sports card side of the house, started to drop off. And so, you know, and I obviously, for sales tax, I track all my sales and stuff. And I slowly saw that show for me dwindle down. And I'm like, like, I don't really want to drive an hour there back, do all the grind that you do as a dealer, unpacking, unloading and. And all that. I'm like, it's not even making a lot of sense for me anymore. So I wound up like phasing that show out. Go ahead. Yu-Gi-Oh you know, it's interesting. I just. This just hit me as you were talking. I remember a couple years ago, I did this for sure. I go to a show and I would come back and complain like it's nothing but modern football, quarterbacks and first woman chrome baseball. And then. Well, it's not that anymore right now. Now it's Pokemon. I got what I wanted, right? I complained about there not being exactly what I wanted. I so Maybe that's just part of the hobby, right? It's like we want it to be exactly what we want. I want there to be a show where it's 300 tables of nothing but 1998 through 2011 baseball cards. Because if it's anything before that, it's junk wax. And if there's anything after that, it's ultra modern. And I like that. So it's, it is funny. It just struck me about that I was complaining about too many young quarterbacks and too many First Bowman Chrome prospects. That shows. And I would kill to have that back now. Yu-Gi-Oh it's funny how that that happens. And here's the thing. It's not, it's, it's already happening. Dave. Right. We have the Strongsville show and Strongsville, Ohio, which is all vintage. So if you're a vintage guy and I've never been there, I've been asked, you know, you gotta go, John, you gotta go. It's on my, like, at some point I do have to get to at least once to check it out. And I know it's in a different location and bigger now, so it's not unprecedented. Dave. Like that's, we, we have, we do have shows where they sort of focus on one area of the hobby. I guess if it's done sort of the right way, I guess that's the, the, you know, the real bottom line. Right. And, and you know what it is going in. There's no sort of, you don't feel like goop, right? Anyone that's going to Strongsville, know what, know what show they're going to, you know, no one's walking into Strongville and saying, where's all the Wemby cards? You know what I mean? So, and, and I'm not, I don't mean this in the mean way, but if that happens, someone just didn't do their research prior to attending the show, right. That's their own fault, to be frank. Right. So I guess if it's done sort of above board in the right way, I guess I'm, I'm good with that. I just don't want to feel, I don't want anyone to feel like alienated or excluded where it's not sort of known up, you know what I mean? As long as it's done, everyone knows what this show is or what that show, I'm all for it. And I don't think there's anything. If it's done like that. I think that's the way to do it. There's no misconceptions everyone knows what, what, what the show entails. And just like the Pokefest, I, I talked about here in Syracuse, which is at the same location that the New York State Fairgrounds as the, the Collector's Fest, which is sports card. So one's a sports card show, one's a of Pokemon and trading card games. And you know, I did set up, the promoter asked me to set up one day there with, you know, doing the SGC bulk subs and it was, it was interesting. I, I enjoyed watching the people because they're coming in like cosplay outfits. Some of them were, were really good. And I actually was set up across from, at that particular show from Sergeant Slaughter and that he was fun to watch, interact with people. And so at one point he stared me down, which I thought at a quiet moment in the show, he kind of just mean mugged me and then smiled. So I thought that was, that was pretty funny. But so like, I guess as long as it's done sort of, you know, where there's no misperceptions, no one's being sold one bill of goods and getting something else, I think that's, I don't think there's anything wrong. Wrong with that. Yu-Gi-Oh You know, as long as everyone has their thing, that's, that's all that's important. As long as things are ethical and people have what makes them happy, that's the most important thing. Yep. Yep. Nope, I agree. All right, so, you know, one thing I wanted to get your take on this. One thing I've noticed even probably recently, when I say recently, I'd say probably in the last three to five years is, you know, when I started this podcast in 2018, I'm like the old man on the porch. And, and you know, I didn't have any, I didn't know how long, like I said earlier, I didn't know how to show how long the show was. But I. The last, I didn't have guests initially. I didn't have sponsorships initially. Even the sponsorship thing was sort of an accident. Someone approached me like, how do I become part of the show? And that and the rest is history. And you know, even like I just said earlier, right, when someone recognizes me at a show and shakes my hand or pats me in the bag, says, I love your show, like that never gets lost on me. Right? Like, you know, I, I'm doing this because I collect cards and I'm passionate about card collecting. I started as a seven year old kid in 1979. There was no Internet and podcast. Right. And I feel like. And again, I'm not, you know, without mentioning that, like, I think there's some people in this space who kind of do it because they do feel like the celebrity factor. Fancy themselves as they almost made themselves bigger than the cards we try to speak of. You know, is that something you see? Or again, is this something me just. Maybe I'm making a mountain out of them. Not necessarily. Help me think of, like, can you just kind of give me an example? Well, just, you know, sometimes I feel like someone. It's more like I try not to even show my face a ton, like on Pro, like on any type of promos or. I'm not saying I don't do it. I'm not going to be disingenuous, but I re. I rather show pickups right now. A lot of my stuff is like, promote. Hey, on this episode, join us. Dave Schwartz is my guest. Right. I. I more or less highlight who the guest is rather than even, even myself. But I feel like in certain, in certain circumstances, right, it's more about the host of the show than even the guests. That there is a guest or then the cards themselves. I don't know if that clarified it any better, but Yu-Gi-Oh that, that, that helps. Thank you. And you know, just. I mean, every industry has its PT Barnums, right? The ones who have the megaphone and yelling, come look at the bearded lady or whatever, but it's their face all over the tent, right? And not their. Their performers. And I just kind of try to. To block it out for the most part, I think. I don't mind that there are people who are. Have their faces out there because for the most part, they're just. I recognize them because they put out some really good content, right? And I just happen to know them now when they, when they throw their. When they have. This is a pet peeve. But when somebody is advertising their own show during the show, that's when I will start to tune out or turn off or, you know, I'll check back in with this next week. And I don't want to name names, but there's. I'm gonna make a show the show. Let's call the show. Looking at this over there, the pretzels. I'm looking at the thing of pretzels. Hey, welcome back to the Pretzel Show. This is the Pretzel Show. Next week on the Pretzel show. Like, we know. I've downloaded this already. I know where this is. But this, this guy, he just says the name of a show over and over and over. And it's almost like he has a book on branding in front of him. And he's, like, going through it, right, Saying, okay, this is how I get guests. This is how I build audience. Now I pretend to have interest in them right now. I must feel questions now. And just one after the next after the next. And when it feels disingenuous, that turns. There are some people who are like, let's take someone who I really, really content, I really love, is Chris Sewell, sports card collector, investor, dealer, in that order. But he is. He's been around for decades, but he's really starting to Bowman. Now he's got a podcast. He just moved his business into its own building. It's getting larger. His face is everywhere, but he doesn't want it to be right. His face is everywhere because he's just really good at his job, and he's a really good force for the hobby. And so. Yu-Gi-Oh but. But it has to do with, like, intent. And when I hear him talk. When I hear him talk about cards and he talks about. He goes on his YouTube channel. Here's the top 10 most valuable cards from the 1980s. Football cards. He's just having fun, and he's just talking to people. He hasn't changed. He's true to who he is, and we know him because he's good, as opposed to knowing somebody because they want to be known. There's a difference. Yu-Gi-Oh no, I agree. And I. Maybe a better way, too, that I could have described that to you, like, from the. From the start, rather than sort of being sort of vague. I guess if I watch somebody or listen to someone, whether it's audio, video, and I really not sure, like, do they collect cards? Are they just. Yu-Gi-Oh almost like a student, you know what I mean? Like, hey, we're gonna hide. You know, this is a studio analyst that's going to talk about the base, about baseball, you know, but they may not even love it. That's just their job. I. I think there is a. Folks like that where I'm like, I don't even know if they. I'm not even sure if they collect. And maybe I'm sort of being a little, you know, a little too crass there. But, like, if you have to, like, scratch your head and, like, do they collect or are they. Are they just a talking head? When you don't. When it's that gray area where you don't know for sure, that that bothers me a little bit. 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I do talk a lot about what's going on the hobbyists on the corporate level, I'm not gonna, you know, you know that I know that people the show know that comes up. But I also, I also try to have, you know, people like yourself, this is a perfect example that are just enjoy collecting cards and, and following their passion and their teams and their players and the nostalgia of it. Right? So I try to balance it. You know, that's why I say you were better at it than me because you didn't really even have to balance it. That's what you were all about. And, and I'm, you know, truth be told, I'm more of a sort of 5050 or at least I feel like I, I am. Someone might agree or Disagree, but that's where I try to be. You know, some of it comes from some of the other content I do, which like Hobby Hotline, which is sort of topical based, if you will. And it's sort of influenced whether I like it or not. I think it influences even my individual shows, if you will. So, you know, even when I first started the show was, it was just me and then I had a guest on and people said, oh man, we love guests. Like, we like you, but we love even when you have guess. So then that became a full time thing and then I got emails and DMs saying, John, we like you. You, you know, it's nice that you have guests on. But we also liked when you just Beckett a topic and gave us your opinion. And so that's where Hobby Quick Hits came, came to be, which was like a year and a half after sports coordinating. So I try to like cover all the bases as best I can. I know sometimes I'm probably more successful at it than others, truth be told. But again, that's that human element, right? I'm. One thing I've always been is, is myself. Like no one will ever say, like, you know, I, I met real quick story and this happened, I think either last year's national or the one before. I talked to someone for like 20 minutes that I had never met before. They were fan of the show. They tapped me on the shoulder, we talked for 20 minutes and after, you know, as we were winding the conversation down, this gentleman said to me, you're like, meeting you in person, you're just like I hear on the podcast. And I kind of scratched my head and I said, what did you, like, what did you expect? Like, that's me on the pot. This is me here. It's the same guy. Since I don't have a mic in front of me and I, that's, I guess where I'm sort of going too is like, Yu-Gi-Oh And I think people can snip out someone who's disingenuous. You can tell when someone doesn't mean it. And there are, there are people who have audiences of a million people who are real collectors and there are people who have, you know, are just starting out and you wonder what they're even doing. Like, what, what are you, what are you doing here? He gets a lot of, he gets a lot of crap. So I'm going to say something positive about him for once. But you know that Jeff Wilson collects, right? You know, he, he's, he loves falcons. He loves his falcons. He likes the USA team cards. He's got it. Just because he is trying to do what he's doing with his businesses doesn't mean he can't also like it. And at the same time, there's another sort of high roller who I'm not going to name who just gets on and just complains about everything. Right. And, and it. And the, like. The, the titles of his episodes are trying to be provocative and, you know, and get the clicks. And, and I stopped listening to him for about a year. His head, one of his headlines caught me and I listened to it about two weeks ago and I stopped in about 10 minutes again because it wasn't matching what he was saying and then he was taking in some different direction. So I don't think it matters if you have a following of two people or a following of a million people, if you. I think audiences are smart and I think they know when somebody is in. I think they know when somebody is in the hobby because they really enjoy it and maybe want to make money versus they're here to stir up garbage and to get clicks, which are, you know, which are two different things. And I, I like that we're able to parse that out. Yu-Gi-Oh no, no doubt. And, and, and even, you know, you mentioned Jeff, and I know him a little bit. You know, a lot of. Some of that. I think you'll agree with this too. Some of that comes from jealousy, right? When someone's successful, someone who maybe isn't as successful sort of already dislikes them just for that. Just for that simple fact, like, hey, I wish I was doing that or at that level, right. And I think it comes from that. I think Jeff gets a lot of hate because someone would love to be in that position and because they're not, they're just gonna throw them out. You know what I mean? And so it's a great point, right, that, you know, and so I, I get that. And you know, I even. It's funny because I did a show, you know, I did a hobby, Quick Hits, where I was doing. I did a. You know, when I do show, sometimes I'll do like a card show review how it went. And the first one I did, Dave, I actually said what I made and I got like an email from someone that's like, hey, I really didn't appreciate it. I was disappointed. You know, you said you made a couple thousand bucks and I'm at the show. When I go to a show, I'm, I'm thankful if I have just a hundred bucks and, you know, it must be nice, you know, and they really. And I didn't say that to make that person feel that way or angry. And so I respond, I say, hey, I apologize. That was not my intent with me giving out a dollar amount. I was just trying to be transparent. I pay sales tax, so it's not like I'm, I'm hiding the income, you know, but if I hurt your feelings, I 100 sincerely apologize. And I made a mental note to myself, like, if I do a card show review again, just say it was a great show, was an okay show, was a good show. It was very. Without giving a dollar amount. I learned like sort of a less a lesson from that, if you will. And so that's what I do when I do. I don't do those shows that much, but when I do that, I don't give out figures. I just talk about in general, Yu-Gi-Oh the show was not great or it was great or it was okay or very. You almost like, you know, different, like grade levels. And I got like a bunch of messages like from people now, like, hey, why didn't you give out how much you made? And you, so you can't, you know, either way, you can't one-of-one Like, someone's not gonna be. And even with those, I just explore out going in long winded. I just tell them, you know, I did that once and someone got their feelings hurt, which was not my intention. So now I'm just not going to do that because I thought to myself, if that person emailed me, how many people didn't email me? That maybe felt a sort of way, right? And so I said, I'm just not going to throw dollar signs. That's not really what I'm about one-of-one I mean, it's a part of what my hobby. But it's not all, you know, doesn't define me across them. So now I've just, I don't give out dollar figures like that. And it's funny, people be like, how much did you make? I'm like, do you work for. And then I explained to him why I don't do it. And I'll, you know, my humor, I'll throw in there like, do you work for the irs? Don't worry, I'm reporting it. You're gonna get your cut. You know, and they're like, no, I don't work. I just, I want to know like, or, you know, one guy told me, hey, I'm a dealer too. I just, I like to know, you know, kind of compare notes and he even asked me in that email, like, behind this, like, hey, can. Will you tell me in the email, you. You know what I mean? I know you're not saying it on the air. And I, I did. He asked nice. I said, I. You want to know how I did? Like, you know, not necessarily a secret, but I'm not going to advertise it anymore just because you never know how it might rub somebody. Well, and in that case, the wrong way. And I never. It took that, that email. Right. To make me think about it like that. And so now I, I just don't give out those kind of num, you know, just because I don't want someone listening to think, you know, oh, man. Like John thinks. Because I don't think like that. That's not how I think. I was just being pretty transparent, but I didn't realize somebody was gonna sort of get their feelings hurt. So now, you know, I thought you were doing that. You thought you were doing the right thing. Yu-Gi-Oh And then someone told me I wasn't. And then I stopped. And then the other half said, like, hey, why aren't you giving out numbers? And then I have to explain. And I actually, at one point I came on during the recording and I said, listen, when I do, I'm not going to do these shows that much, but when I do, like a card show as a dealer, just so you know, I'm not going to give out, you know, how much I made just because I don't want anyone to feel lesser than. Because you're not lesser. I'm not more than you and you're not lesser than me. And that was not my intention. And if you're listening and even if you didn't send me an email, but you felt like that, I sincerely apologize because that wasn't my intention with that zero percent intention. And I got, actually, I got a lot of message after that recording saying, we appreciate you saying that. I didn't take it that way when you did, but, you know, it's nice that you think of how we feel. Good potential. So, you know, sometimes you learn on the fly as. As they say. Oh, Yu-Gi-Oh for sure, for sure. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh go ahead, go ahead. No, I was gonna say there's. There's one show that recorded and I never aired it because as I was going through editing, I realized this is not what I do and this is not what I want to be known for. And so that episode lives only on my hard drive now because I was thought, you know, the certain ways that you, you know, want to be perceived. And there are certain ways that you. Certain content you don't want to wade into sometimes because you feel like it's not really what you. And so I recorded a whole different off the cuff episode after that, and it was totally fine. The episode was about, it was an episode about shill bidding. And I had actually gone through, like, deep into the data and like pulled out three or four of the worst perpetrators of it and was going to go through the numbers and back everything up. And, and as I was listening to it, I'm like, this is, this is not what I want to be doing. And so sometimes you really do when it's like, you know, when you're not working. You mentioned Joe Rogan before. You know, he has producers and everything else. You and me and other, and other people who do their own show. We're it. Right? You know, we are, we are the, the on air talent, we are the editors, we're the producers. And someone's got to be in the room to tell us when not to do something. But it could only be us, and it's not going to be us. It's good. It's gonna be like that really good fan of yours who said, hey, listen, I wish you hadn't done that. And sometimes you've got to take your cue from, from the people as well, which you did. And you did that. Yu-Gi-Oh And I thanked him, like, first, I apologize, like, hey, I didn't. That wasn't my intent. I'm sorry about that. A hundred percent, you know, sincere. It's not going to happen again. And I gave him, you know, without mentioning his name, I gave him credit. Right. I'm not taking the credit. Like, hey, I thought, I thought about this and, and I think people might. I said, hey, I got a message that somebody's feelings got hurt and therefore I'm not really going to do that again. It's just, you know, I don't, I don't want someone, you know, I, I don't have a problem doing content. Someone may not agree with an opinion, but I don't want someone genuinely getting their feelings hurt because they felt less than. Which obviously wasn't my intention. But whether it was my intention or not, Dave, that's what happened. Yu-Gi-Oh And I don't like that bothered me. It legitimately bothered me. Like, I don't even talk to my wife about. She doesn't know about cards. She knows, obviously podcasting. But I, I talked to her about that particular, like, interaction and, you know, she goes, well, you know, Just say the show was good or bad or, or okay or great and which was already what I had decided to do. But you know, she's like, you didn't, you didn't mean it. But like, you know, it bothered this particular person. So you can still do the same show without throwing dollar sign amount out there, right? I can say it's a great show. It was my best show this year so far, like financially without saying a number. Right. And. But at the same time I got messages like, what did you make? You know, so you can't make the whole room happy. But even the ones that when I didn't give out the a total, they still like, I still talked about the show and observations and things I saw moving or that sort of thing. So it was still, you know, other than a dollar amount, that was the only difference. And so that to me that's just a minor thing that I can adjust on the fly. And again, like I'm, I'm human, right? Sometimes we need someone else to say, hey, you Tribute the ball here or not even you Tribute the ball, but you sort of rub me the wrong way here. And I've had people get one of the best compliments I've gotten, Dave, is someone says, you know, John, I don't always agree with your opinion or what you say, but one thing I love and appreciate about you is I know there's no stick. That's you. That's your real opinion. It's not like you're saying something on the air and then posting something or acting a different sort of way like the contradictors. Even, even on some things where I don't necessarily see it the same exact way. I still appreciate you, you know, because I know that's, you know, from your heart and listen. And the same guy said like we. I don't want all of us to be cookie cutter and think the same way. That that has a bad. Usually has bad outcomes. Right. As history shows. So, you know, so I, that's like one of the best compliments I can get if someone that says, hey, even when I don't agree which necessary, your point or your take, I still like you and that, that resonates with me. But if I can eliminate a little thing and not rub someone the wrong way, I'm all about it. And, and I always say that on the show, right? Let me know what you think. You like something, you don't like something. Where can I be better? That's how we get better, right? And sometimes we need someone else to point it out. Like, we don't. We don't always catch everything ourselves. So I'm appreciate as long as it's done in a tactful way, you know, rather than someone sends an email with two words that, like, hey, you suck or that sucked, you know, okay, that. You know, tell me why, so I can maybe improve on it or eliminate something. Right? Be. Give me a little more detail than. Than two words. Right. I'm always. I asked for it and I'm appreciative of it. Right. But, you know, as long as it's tactful, right? At the end of the day, you can't please all of the people all the time. No, I knew that. I learned that when I got into coaching, whether it be youth sports at the high school level. Right. The one year, Real quick story. One year we, you know, youth Pop Warner. We went like 10, 0. I was a coach. We went like to the state. The state finals. Everyone got. All the kids got big trophy. You know, end of the year meeting, you know, 80 of the parents like me, right. You know, we want their kids one-of-one a big trophy and had memories they'll never forget. But you're always gonna have that couple parents, right? Little Jimmy maybe didn't Blue Ice much as in their mind they thought he should. So, you know, coach Newman still sucked. So. So you can't. Again, I learned from coaching, no matter what, you can't one-of-one the whole room. But if you can one-of-one maybe the majority of the room, then maybe that's a. A good sign. Yep. That's, you know, just do content for yourself and. And then others will. Others will come along as long as you're genuine, right? Yu-Gi-Oh Well, Dave, listen, man, you know, my door's always open. You want to come on. Any reason you want to announce the relaunch of the shallow. But listen, I appreciate, Yu-Gi-Oh you for the person you are and the content that, Yu-Gi-Oh you made and still making even with your. Your other shows and Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh you know, you don't need me to tell you, but keep. Keep it up and Yu-Gi-Oh appreciate you and I appreciate you making some time here. As always. I give like the guests sort of give out any social media handles or wherever you want people to find you and what you're doing. Sure. So. Yu-Gi-Oh John, and. And thank you. I. I would not have made it 200 episodes if you and. And Jeremy Lee had not been so supportive early on. And you got. You didn't know me from anyone, but. But you still gave me the time. And that really, you know, propelled me to be able to keep going. So thank you for all that you do and continue to do and have done. And you're a real, you're a real asset to the hobby for sure. People can find me at, on Instagram at Yu-Gi-Oh Dave Sports Cards. That's Yu-Gi-Oh Underscore Dave Underscore Sports Cards. The Shallow End podcast feed is still live, but now it's producing the sports card card casts from time to time. So that's where you can find that. And then Overthinking Baseball Cards appears there also. No, it doesn't. Yes, it does. It appears there for the podcast, but the video has its own channel. Overthinking Baseball Cards. We say we're once a month, but we're starting to go a little bit more. Jason and I are. And if you are, if you really like to talk baseball cards and think about baseball cards and about your own collections and how you collect, this might be the show for you. So I hope you all check it out. No doubt. Thank you for the kind words, sir. Dave, I'm not going to take any credit. I appreciate that. I think you, your, your success is more attested to to yourself and who you are, but I appreciate, I don't want to be unappreciated. I do appreciate that, like I said, coming from you, all the, even, all the more so. But I think you, you, you know, hats off to you. You, you deserve the credit, but I appreciate you, you know, you know, give me a little tip of the hat. But at the end of the day, right, it's you on the M. That people enjoy and love. And I, you know, maybe I was on one episode, so, man, I'll take credit, I'll take credit for that episode. But all the, the other 199, that's. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But no, by all, by all means, that's, that's you and, and, but I appreciate the, the kind words, Yu-Gi-Oh nonetheless and Yu-Gi-Oh love to have you back on, Yu-Gi-Oh somewhere, Yu-Gi-Oh here down the line and Yu-Gi-Oh you know, keep collecting, keep doing the content, whatever form it may be. It's still you, right? Sharing your passion and your hobby with those who love that. Thanks, John. Thank you, Dave Schwartz, for giving some time to the program. Always love having Dave on. And we'll have mine again, you know, if he wants to come back. Great guy. A lot of insight, sort of, you know, sort of to me represents what collecting should be about really. And the next two weeks programming note, we will have authentication and autograph expert Steve Grad on the podcast for the next two weeks. First time ever. I don't know how that happened, but I'll fall on the sword for that one. But as I always say, right, better late than never. So Steve grad next week and the following week. So we're going to have some closing thoughts here and wrap up this week's episode. Tyler redick here from 2311 Racing Victory Lane. Yu-Gi-Oh it's even better with Chumba by my side. Race to chumbacasino.com let's Chumba no purchase necessary. VTW Group void where prohibited by law ctncs21plus sponsored by Chumba Casino Grainger knows When you're a procurement manager for an office park, you're not managing one building, you're managing all of them. 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