David Chase UNLOADS On The Future Of PSA Slabs!!

Sports talk, talk, talk, Bobby all day, wax packs, big polls and comps. We debate. So turn it and let the intro play. You're now rocking with the midlife car chase, the David chase. What's up, brother? Hey, what's going on? Greg Miller? Let's do this. I mean, just doing my work thing, doing my card thing. Just one day at a time, dude. Is that what you're telling yourself now? One day at a time? Are we doing the steps? I mean, hey, everything's good, dude. Everything is good. It's just. There's just a lot, which is. Which is fantastic. If. If I was bored, I would be complaining that I was bored. So I know you're not complaining these days because I know you're not bored. Every time I'm talking to you, it's like during the seven minutes of drive, right, that you have a freedom. Yu-Gi-Oh it, you know, lot. This was a busy week, but, hey, it's. It's Saturday morning. Is this is. Is this is going. And, you know, we've got college football, we've got NFL again this week. My 49ers are one and, oh, the Rams are one and, oh, how often does that happen? Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, I have a buddy at work who's a Raiders fan, and he said, Yu-Gi-Oh we're going to start one, and, oh, and then we're going to lose 12 straight. That's what he said. So I don't know what that means. This is a practice year. We're just getting ready for Fernando. It's all good. Okay. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, whatever. It doesn't matter to me. As soon as the Raiders left California, they were no longer really rivals, so I didn't really care anymore. Okay, let's talk. I. I've got a story that I want to share with you about an experience, and I want to get your feedback on it. Is it okay if I do that? If I. I know, you know, I don't want to hog the mic, David. Listen, you sit back, tell me. Tell me your problems. Tell me your story. Sit back and relax. Greg. It's not a problem. This isn't a problem. This is just. This is like a Yu-Gi-Oh sort of thing. Okay, you ready for a Yu-Gi-Oh I'm ready for a Yu-Gi-Oh All right, so I'm pulling up on the screen again. We got the midlife card chase, the main banner there. We got you all fired up and the police cars and stuff. I'm sending you a new photo very soon. I mean, it's time to check. I think it's great. But Yu-Gi-Oh whatever you want, dude. If you want to switch it, let's switch it up. Yu-Gi-Oh So, and, and before we go too far, I do want to thank Auction Wire. They are a sponsor of this episode AuctionWire Yu-Gi-Oh again 60 free day trial using the promo code SCC Auction Wire. The one place two to go to search so many different platforms for the cards you're looking for. All right, this card right here on the screen, this is a 1999 skybox. Molten metal fusion Sterling. That's a mouthful. And it was, it's an out of 500 card from 1999. And I was literally, I would say this was nine months ago. I was walking through a card show and I literally walked by a table and this card was in the case. Not this exact one, but this card. And it literally stopped me in my tracks. Now this isn't a very good image of it, but in the background, that's a silhouette of Greg Maddox. That is die cut there. That's. Those are little holes that make out the silhouette of Greg Maddox. And I'm like, this card is so cool. And the guy was asking it a little bit high, but that was irrelevant. I wasn't going to buy from this dealer. This is a guy that I, I don't, I don't usually do business with. But I saw this card and it, my, my head exploded at how cool the card was. Okay. And it was, it stayed on my mind. So I started researching the set and researching the different players in the set. And this is like an insert set. And there's the out of 50 out of 500. And then there's the unnumbered. Don't really know how many unnumbereds are, but there aren't a million of them out there. And then I started looking into this card in basketball, like Jordan and Kobe. I know those cards. Is it the same year? You would think I would know that, but I don't know. I, I, approximately. Okay. And they're crazy expensive. Like the Kobe and the Jordan. Unknown, like crazy expensive cards. Okay. And I just think that they're cool looking. And when I'm buying modern cards, it's generally car of specific players and cards that I think are cool looking. So I'm like, man, I want that card. So I ended up going out and about the Derek Jeter of the card and I started thinking, you know, I kind of want the Maddox. Who else would I want in there? There's a Frank Thomas in there. That's pretty cool. There's a Chuck Jones. It's Pretty cool. There's a bonds that's in there. So I was sitting there right before the national and bang, a bond shows up for 400 bucks in a PSA 8. And I bought it. It says sold because I bought it on July 18 at 8:50am Say it was a Saturday morning, probably listening to the midlife card chase for sure. And here I am, and I bought this card for 400. Okay. Now I come to find out that the card that I bought here was a card from a viewer of the channels. And he reached out to me via a DM on Instagram and he said, hey, did you just buy this card like yesterday? And I'm like, Yu-Gi-Oh And he goes, that's my card. I was like, cool. So I. It's the base non numbered version, right? Base non numbered version, Yu-Gi-Oh And I always kind of was kind of meh on the bonds because on the bottom of the image, his foot is kind of cut off with the image. And I felt a little bit like, Yu-Gi-Oh but it's still bonds. And I kind of have been collecting some bond stuff. So I was like, I think I want this card. So I bought it. And then I'm like, why is it taking so long to get here? And I was like, oh, it's because it's got the, it's, it's above the threshold, right? So it goes to the authenticity guarantee. And I'm waiting and I'm waiting and I'm waiting. It had been like three weeks and the guy's like, did you buy this? I'm like, Yu-Gi-Oh At this point the national had taken place and I spent a lot of money at the national. And I'm like, I, I spent too much. I, I probably, probably should sell some things because of how much stuff I bought at the National. And I was like, I just bought this card kind of on a whim, maybe I should sell that card. But I'm like, why isn't it here yet? I'm now back from the National. And I'm like, why isn't the card here? What the heck? And I look and I'm a complete idiot. And I had it sent to my vault, apparently. So now it took like, you know, two weeks to go through authenticity guarantee. It took like two weeks to get to the vault. And I'm like, that's what took so long. That's why it hasn't shown up in the mailbox, is because it's never going to show up in the mailbox. I'm an idiot. And send it to the Vault, because I don't know what I'm doing. Right. So. Right. I. I then decide, go ahead, jump in. I just want to say. Right, you got it. Keep going. Oh, okay. Nice. Thank you. Thank you for agreeing with me, David. So I'm like, I'm overextending myself then. I didn't overextend myself. I spent a lot of money. And then at the National, I probably just bought this right before the National. I should. I bought it. I don't know. Shows up in my vault, and I have, like, an offer from psa, like, the PSA Friends and Family thing for, like, our friends, whatever network. I don't know what the hell they call it. And it's 600. I'm like, Yu-Gi-Oh it's up 50%. And I had just bought it, and I'm like, 600 bucks, really? Maybe it was 550. And I'm like, maybe I should sell it. I. I bought it because I wanted it, but. So I'm like, I'm just gonna list it through psa. I don't like that I sent it to the vault. I'd rather have my cards in my hand. It would be easy to just sell it and be, you know, I, I. It would be a way to recoup some of the funds that I just spent at the National. So I listed it on. On ebay through PSA for a buy it now of 660. And it sold. It's sold. I mean, look, it sold August 5th, and it was right after the national that I got home. So what? I get home from the national, and probably, like, the second. Okay, So a couple days. Okay. I mean, I may have even listed it, like, on the plane because I was like, I spent so much money. I. I probably. I probably should do something. And I sent it to the vault, and it. So needless to say, I sold it for 600. Yu-Gi-Oh And then you, you know, you pay this $80 in fees, so I ended up with 580. So I made 180 bucks. Cool. Whatever. Okay. Well, David, the card has gone nuclear. I don't understand what is even happening in this hobby anymore. I'm gonna pull up a live listing as we are recording this. Did you look it up before you listed it on PSA for buying? Yu-Gi-Oh Okay. Yu-Gi-Oh The highest comp ever at that point was, I don't know, like, 500 or something. Okay, cool. All right, let's see. The card has two and a half hours left. It's at $1926. Yours was a PSA8 also. Mine was a PSA8 also. It has 100 watchers and it's been viewed 148 times today. So the card is more than, what's it, 3x. Approximately 3x. What I sold it for, I don't know, 40 days ago. 40 days ago it is, it is 3x and it has two and a half hours left with a hundred watchers. I have a feeling it's gonna get more bids. So, David, now I want to get your reaction and, and feel free, feel free to just take some shots at me because apparently I have no idea what I'm doing. But you know, one of the things people are probably saying is you should have kept it. Why'd you sell it? Is this your own fault? And, and I, I mean I, I don't disagree. I bought the card, not planning on selling it, but I also didn't plan on selling. Now my wife is in the other room. But I wasn't planning on spending over $10,000 at the National. Okay? So I wasn't planning, I wasn't planning on selling the card because I wasn't planning on spending that much at the National. Right. And I also probably wouldn't have sold it if I wasn't an idiot and sent it to the vault. Like, I just didn't un, you know, change the box that you click. But when I see stuff like this, it makes me think I should just sell all of my Bond stuff, all of my modern stuff, because that's insane. That a card that I bought in mid July for $400 and it wasn't like it just came up and I bought it. I mean, it was sat there for a few days. I think first it is, remember, I bought it for 400. It's, it's at 2000 almost right now and it has two and a half hours left. David, what is going on? And now that was a 10 minute story and you've been very patient. David, what is happening, what's happening since the national is that there is a fury of people that are looking at specific cards and specific kind of players. And we are, these are nuclear scenarios. It's the same with vintage non sports. It's the same with Shaquille o'. Neal and Barry Bonds is the other one. And Barry Bonds cards, people have started to realize that he is a goat, even though he's a cheater. And there are some people that are looking past it and because of these other high card, high card prices, just like what you did with that same card, they're looking at the Jordan, they're looking at the Kobe and they realize that it doesn't make sense that that card is so cheap compared to how much a Jordan is. Do you have any idea how much a Jordan is? No, don't even say Jordan. How about Kobe? Even Kobe. I mean, I could pull up card ladder real quick and I could look if you don't mind, but you're going to see that it's such a crazy difference. Even you know, I don't want to use Michael Jordan because he's on. Even though Barry Bonds might be considered the greatest player of all time, but he does have the cheating scandal hitting him. But man, for basketball, those cards are just so iconic. And for them not to be as iconic in baseball is kind of a joke. And I understand people thinking that way. So the Kobe is a numbered card. The Kobe is numbered out of 250. But if you look at the population and I will show you. I'll pull it up in a second. The total population of the Kobe numbered out of 250 is 39. Okay. And I'm going to put it on the screen in a second. The bonds, the total population is 48. So it's not numbered, but the population isn't that much different. Okay. I'm sure some of them just haven't been graded because the price recently shot up. So what does that Kobe go for? Well, let's put it on the screen. $42,000. Yu-Gi-Oh And the bonds is two. Does bonds have a number to 250? No, it has a number to 50 and a number to 500. Okay, got it. So I guess it is hard to compare them because let's see what Jordan is. Just for the heck of it, and I'm not trying to railroad the entire. The entire episode. The Jordan. Here's a Jordan. There's a cheaper one for only 47,000. Well, this one was jersey numbered, so it sold for 195,000. So the last two out of 250, number 41, sold for 47,000. The one before it sold for 103,000. That wasn't Jersey numbered. And this and these are all what, like numbered to 1 to 200 or whatever? 250 cards. Right. I. I mean, I. I don't know if you'd call it the base, but it's the lowest. It's the most common one. Okay. So there's probably a lot more of the baseball ones you would assume with it not being numbered, even though I know total, the total pop of the Jordan is 107. Interesting. But all of those are pretty much graded. There's probably a lot more of the bonds that are not. But I get your point. Even if it's five times the amount of bonds cards, for you to be able to buy that for $400 is absolutely crazy. I understand you thinking that way, and I think there's a lot of people in the hobby that are right now trying to zig and zag and try to find things that have value at this moment in time. Because cards are so expensive, like that Jordan, like the Kobe. And they're pivoting. And they've pivoted into Shaq and they pivoted into bonds, those two players. Right. And vintage non sports. They've pivoted into all those areas. I mean, am I an idiot for selling it? No. For 660? No. Because it was just bad timing. But do you have. You have other bonds cards, don't you? I do have some other bond stuff. I bet you they've done very well also. They've done well. Yu-Gi-Oh So I. So, I mean, that's like saying I could never sell because you can't time the market. You also bought some pretty iconic, amazing cards at the national that I'm sure have done very well, too. And even ones outside of the National, I know that you've bought from like 80s vintage cards that you've done extremely well. So you have spent some money over the last six months and have crushed it. So sometimes you need to raise funds and you can't hit a home run every time and you might not time the market correctly, and it's okay. Greg Miller, at what point, what number does that card close at? You think 2500. That would be so painful, dude. What's the difference? What's the difference? I mean, it's painful. At 2000, the difference is $574. But yes, the amount you paid for it, pretty much. No, no, no. $574. From what it's at right now. That's the difference. I know it's only going to go up the amount that you literally bought it for. Yu-Gi-Oh From where it is. So that's. That's where we're at. I don't take yourself. Don't. Don't. You know, there's a lot of people that have probably sold recently on certain things. You know what? You can't time the market. Right. It's part of this is luck. Part of this is buying a card before Gary Vee said it. Right. Like, sometimes these things happen and you know, you have a great, amazing, huge collection and I know it's done very well over the last couple of years. So don't take one card to heart. Okay. Now I did a video that posted on Monday of this week and it was the worst advice in the hobby. And Yu-Gi-Oh there's me with a thumbs down. You had some thoughts about that and I used your question, I used your quote, you, you contributed and you said, and I could just probably pull it up, but I'll just paraphrase you said the worst advice is buying the highest grade. I don't think that that advice will age well. Something along those lines. And I then showed a couple of clips and I mostly, I think agreed with, with what you had to say in that. But you wanted to kind of touch on that and follow up on that and have a little conversation about, about that. Yes, because I, I think that that statement can go a couple of ways. And I felt like when I was reading the chat they were taking it away that I wasn't part of it was what I meant. But not 100%. And really what I'm talk, I'm not talking about buying a high graded card. That is a definite A7. That looks like A7. That's an amazing card that if you send it in it's going to be a seven every single time. But that's the problem. The problem is, is that grading is inconsistent. And I pulled up a chart right now on the Topps Hank Aaron. And I'm just going through average. I'm not going through Yu-Gi-Oh appeal, but an average 7 goes for 16,600. The average 7 and a half goes for 30,000 and the average 8 goes for 48,000. That's my problem is that you can submit this card five times and there's a very good chance you will get a seven sometimes and an eight other times. And for that to be. Can I just throw this in real quick? Yu-Gi-Oh Doesn't mean it's necessarily going to get the same grade because it's again, it's a grader's opinion and there's ranges and standards. So it could grade something differently. Just because it got a PSA 8 the first time doesn't mean it's always going to get a PSA 8. It could get a 9, it could get a 7, it could get a 7.5. So that's the head of grading at collectors reminding us that it could get a 7, it could get a 9, it could get a 7.5. So let's so let's just think about that for a second. It's not. Because this is not out of. It's freaking crazy. That. And by the way, the average eight goes for 48,000. The average eight and a half goes for 167,000. So. Well, there's no standards, David. We all know that. If you send in, I want to see anybody that has that eight and a half, crack that out and submit it again. Just take a chance. You're not going to do that, I promise you. Hey, if you get a nine, guess what the average cost is? $384,000. But at the same time you are risking that $167,000 card being worth 48,000. And because grades are subjective and that you can send in a card multiple times and you will get the different grade every time. We do not know exactly what our cards really are. There are opinions based on that specific day with that specific grader. And for somebody to average $120,000 more for a half a grade without us being able to tell the difference, you and I or any other grader, because we probably have seen more cards than the average PSA grader. Also I think that it is absolutely bonkers. And for people that are just saying buy the highest card, you better pray that PSA is our God forever. Because if it ever happens that PSA is not our God and is not our PSA love of life and that we use a different grader, then guess what? These cards are going to get regraded and you might lose $120,000 of value for that same card. Because it wasn't an eight and a half. It was actually really an eight or a seven and a half. And by the way, most of these high graded cards are very old certs too. Try to get an eight and a half nowadays with a perfect card, it's almost impossible. They'll give you a seven or six and a half one-of-one with today's standards. So that's what I'm talking about. That scares me. With higher grade cards. Does that make sense? I mean, it makes sense. You make some strong claims there, but Yu-Gi-Oh I mean there's. If, if some form of, you know, Yu-Gi-Oh were to start to give some sort of calibrated correctly calibrated second opinion of cards already in slabs, it has the potential to dramatically affect values in a lot of different directions. Is, is that a reason though to buy cards that are low grade? I mean I, it shouldn't. Should a person just say, well, I mean, and, and let me ask you this also, I mean, I just threw that question out there, I suppose. But the, the other question is, David, are you saying that now you're on the anti grading team and you're saying that I'm not going to grade because grading is so subjective and because there are a lot of people that have been, you know, just kicking and screaming for a long time that the whole grading thing is a whole farce. And so it sounds like everything you're saying is supporting that opinion, which I don't necessarily think is the wrong opinion. I'm not saying that either. So what are you saying? I'm saying that a grade. I don't think grades are a terrible thing. There's reasons to get a grade, but. But it's a roundabout number. It's not an exact number. Not all sevens go for this and not all eights go for this. And this is why I appeal matters. And I'll tell you that if also this Yu-Gi-Oh or if PSA somehow goes out of business, we're going to find out a lot of these cards have been altered also that PSA has graded or SGC has graded also. And guess what? The fall of an price of an 8 to an altered card, it's a lot larger of a fall than a two to an altered card. They're probably both altered. There's a very good chance that there's been some version to it. So it's scary to me the people that are putting a crazy amount of money in an eight and a half because they're trying to get the highest grade possible when technically it could be a seven, right? And people are so scared to even like show it to another grading company or mba that will also give you an opinion of on what they think the grade is. That's a terrible thing to figure out. Well, to me, I think it might be even a smart thing to figure out because if we really do find out that these are overgraded cards, we're going to lose a lot of money. Who, who buy these. So I just think that the Fleer is lower if we ever find out that these cards are this. That same 54. Aaron, the difference between a two and a one and a half. A two is 4,000 and a one and a half is 3,100. That's not making you jump off a cliff. 120,000 being an eight and a half to an eight, that's scary. But a one and a half looks like a one and a half is what somebody would say. I mean, somebody has to present the counterargument here. And one of the counter arguments is that, well, I don't want a card that looks like a one and a half because most one and a halfs aren't, aren't as nice as potentially somebody wants to buy. So what's somebody supposed to do then? David, if they want a really high end example, they're willing to step up and pay the money for the high end example. But what you're suggesting is anything that's not dog eared could potentially come back as altered down the road and potentially completely destroy the value of it. So it's not a safe place to put money. Should we all just buy the one and a half? Even though maybe some people like cards that, you know, don't have creases and, and have decent centering and have decent corners. What should they do? What should that person do that has the money? Yu-Gi-Oh Let me throw, let me throw one other question while I'm out there. I'm not going to remember this one. I just got a really dirty look. So I'm going to go ahead and turn the Fleer back over to you. Go ahead. No, no, no. I just, I forget. I bad. I know. Go, go on that. All right. You're right about that altered thing and maybe that's being extreme. Okay. About me talking about just altered cards. But in reality, even like a five, which I think is a pretty high grade there, the average one goes for 9,400 and a four and a half goes to 70, 100, that's a $2,300 difference. That's still a lot of money. But that's not $150,000. Right. I just, I, the thing that I. Let's take the altered part out of this. I think that it's very scary when each half a grade or a grade bring so much of a premium. We know that These Michael Jordan 1986 FLIR cards were all in nines and they've been submitted 17 times each to try to get it to be a 10. I bet you a huge portion of those tens that are like 500,000, 300,000, whatever they are in cards, the nines are way less because the population is so much more versus the tens. And that's why everyone cracks them and resubmits them so many times until they finally get that 10. You are buying that 10 because of the plastic. It is most likely a 9 and it just one day got a 10 and they submitted it over and over and over again. And that's what scares me with some people that are trying to buy the highest grade. I'm not telling you to only buy ones. Okay? But just know the premium, right? The premium that, the grade that you're buying like versus ones that are a little bit lower grade. That's why I myself, which is not for everybody. This is literally just an opinion. I would rather buy a two or a two and a half that looks really, really nice and pay up for it than to buy that six that looks similar to that two and a half. I'm buying stock in whatever Red Bull or energy drink you drank before this episode because I love it. I love that. Inject it into my veins. David Chase. All right, here's the other thing that you said earlier. And again, I just want to, I just want to throw. I don't want to, I don't want to just have a one way street. And I'm not necessarily, I don't really disagree with anything you've said. If I'm. It's more fun if you disagree. So get pushed back. So. So here's another thing I would potentially say you said a minute ago that a lot of the high graded cards have old certs and the old certs don't necessarily apply because those cards were graded a long time ago and the standards have changed. Nobody has documented that and, and scientifically looked into that as much as I have. So I don't disagree with you. But there is a counter argument to that. And the counter argument to that is Yu-Gi-Oh they have old certs because a lot of the nicest cards were some of the first cards to get graded. They got graded 30 years ago because at 30 years ago they were grading the cards that were eights and nines. They weren't thinking that it made sense to grade the cards that were threes and fours. So the reason that the population is rising more in the threes and fours is because we're at the point that those cards are now worth grading based on the situation and the cost of grading and, and the turnarounds and all that kind of stuff. So they would say, Yu-Gi-Oh those zero leading serial numbers are the nicest cards because those were the first Babe Ruths to get graded and the first 52 mantles to get graded. The it's not that they're not worthy of the eights and nines, it's that they were graded first because those are the ones that deserve to be graded back then. That could be true. That could be true that a lot of them come there. But there's also a lot of new finds okay. We just opened up a couch cushion three months ago and found a sign 48 leaf Jackie Robinson that came out of thin air. Right. Four months ago that went to auction. A couch cushion. I don't know where it came out of, but it was found an ungraded one that just popped out of nowhere and it, you know. Right. So sometimes we have these finds of great looking cards and it is very Rare to find Topps, Hank Aaron and a nine with a new cert. It just is even as great as it looks, it would be very tough to find. And let's not. I don't even play in that pool, so I can't even talk with the nines. Okay. But I'll just tell you that like if there has been many times and if you talk to most dealers of cards that look unbelievable and they submit these cards, they know they're not getting an eight on a 1952 card. Right. They're hoping to get a six, as nice as it looks. And you know that if you look at a Cert in a 3 or a 4 and it's an old cert, there's more of a chance that it's. You do not believe in the grade. And that might just be the ones that I see. Maybe I don't see as many nines because I do not play in that pool. I'm not buying $400,000 cards daily. But. But I think it's a very well known in the industry and I talk to a lot of dealers and that's why, by the way, every time they get a card that's worth any significant amount of money that's in an old slab with the old cert, you know what they do? They send it back to PSA even though it's the exact same card to get in a brand new fancy slab. You know why? Because some people then don't realize that it's an old cert, it looks brand spanking new and it fools a few of us and some people just like the look of it better, but they sell it for less if it's in that old slab with the old. Sir, I mean, you are absolutely on one right now. I'm going to go to my channel real quick because I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you, David. I love the energy right now. If we look right here on my channel, there is a, an episode that I did early on in the channel and it's understanding the evolution of PSA slabs and it's pinned on my home page. I made it three years ago. It's got 10,000 views, which for me is a lot of views. And it goes through the difference between the 10, the 10 different slabs. And it does talk a little bit about the old certs in the new slabs. I have some opinions about that. But if you're not sure what he's referring to there, there are different slabs and you can kind of date to a certain extent. And I also heard my buddy Tony Lieberich talk about doing this a few times. If you take a serial number and you put it into like ChatGPT or some sort of Yu-Gi-Oh software and say, approximately when was this card graded? It can give you a decent date. Now there is a problem with that. For people out there that are listening, that are curious, that are saying, oh Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh the certain serial numbers back before the databases were all done online, what would happen is at the card shows that PSA would do on site grading at. Because they were doing on site grading back in the 90s, they were afraid they would give the same serial number to a card that was being graded back at the headquarters as they were on site. So they used some way out of sequence serial numbers for those situations. So there are a lot of cards that have serial numbers that start with a five and a lot of serial numbers that start with a nine. Those ones are the ones I'm familiar with that were graded a long time ago. But if you just look at the serial number, you'd go, oh, it started with a nine. It's, you know, in a new slab, it must be recently graded. Well, not always. That's not always the case because they didn't want to double up on a serial number when they were doing on site grading for whatever that's worth. To people out there listening, if that doesn't make any sense, then just for, you know, forget what I just said. But I, I think that I made some sense at least with that. So I want to, I, I struggle here because I want to hear the argument that you're making, but I don't want it to completely just be a piling on of the situation, which is why I'm trying to at least share, well, is it possible this, is it possible that. But for the most part, I think, I think a lot of us agree with you and a lot of us see the issues with some of the grading and I think that some of the issues with some of the grading, these aren't new. Like thoughts like, this isn't like we're coming up with something new. Like all of This a lot of people agree with. And that's why a lot of people have stayed away from grading. And we've already gotten 10 comments down below that said. Well, this is why I only grade raw, because I don't care. And I don't, you know, it doesn't matter to me because. And then someday down the road, I'll grade then before I sell. And, you know, there I've heard all of the. The different arguments and all the different thoughts and. And people, you know, I. People at the end of the day should do whatever makes them happy. But 100. But back to the video that I did the other day and when. When Jeff and when Gordy shared. Yu-Gi-Oh I recommend buying the highest grade for the most part, because those are the cards that have gone up the most and they have the. The lowest pop counts and they have the lowest supply. And so, you know, a little bit change in the demand really makes the prices jump. Like, there has been that happening. I mean, hasn't that kind of happened? Isn't it true that the. The Jordan 10 has gone up more than the Jordan 9? And isn't the supply and the prestige of the 10 at least a good chunk of the reason why? I mean, so you're more saying yes, right now that's been the case. And I don't want to put words in your mouth that right now that's been the case. But in the long run, something's gonna happen. Yu-Gi-Oh a new grading company, a scandal will come out. Something could potentially disrupt what is currently happening that they are using as the evidence as why this is the move. Is that right? Correct. And historically, that has been the correct way to do this. And that's where a lot of people who are making these kind of claims, they're saying that I believe in people in the hobby to wisen up, which might not be, in my opinion, wise enough. Okay. Which. Which I know is extreme to say, but also think about who those people are trying to influence. New people with a lot of money coming into the hobby to invest. Right. These are not collectors that have been around for 30 years. These are people that have a million dollars to put in the hobby, and it's a very easy way to sell that. There's a low population of this kind of card, and it has done this kind of this well, but here's the thing that I like to think about. Okay. I'm thinking of this for when I'm thinking about this hobby. I'm not thinking of in the next six months. In the next six Months. You're gonna be okay buying a high graded card, okay? But what. I believe there's a poss. I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying there's a chance that this could happen, okay? Blockbuster Video was the king of video stores, okay? It was on every single. Radio Shack was badass, dude. Radio Shack was cool too, right? But Blockbuster, we loved going to it, but we were annoyed at them because they gave us late charges, right? And it was like we felt like there had to be a better way to do it. Then they started mailing it and we were like, oh, we like this. But then we would lose it and then make us pay like $90 for a lost DVD even though it only cost 20. We were annoyed. And then Netflix came and was like, wait, we don't have to like send our videos anymore? We don't have to go to Blockbuster now. It's just on our tv. This is amazing. Well, guess what? We're very annoyed at psa, okay? They're not consistent. They take forever. And that's not changing because they're now accepting the submissions even though they still have the crazy backlog. So unless something negative happens to the hobby, they're always going to have this backlog, right? Unless there's a crazy amount of decreases of submissions. So something's wrong if we. They're ever able to do things in a fast order. So can Deep. Can PSA ever get dethroned? Well, that would probably only happen of one of two ways is my opinion. Number one, if there's a scandal, I could see that happening, right, with graded cards or something going on in the back end. Probably not, though. Or the way that I can definitely see is technology taking over if, like, somehow there is a way for cards to be able to be graded seven times and get the same grade all seven times by artificial intelligence doing that, it might not happen in the next five years, it might not happen in the next 10 years. But I do believe it will eventually happen because it's such a major problem with grading now. Will PSA try to buy that company? Yes. Will PSA also be the company that has Yu-Gi-Oh I don't think so. And the reason why is because they will not let out to find out if cards have been off, altered, that are in their slabs, have autographs showing that they're not correct. There's a lot of problems that a PSA would have if they could find out the major issues of cards that are in their slabs, especially with the guarantee that they have So I think it has to come from another company. Now, if that never happens, you're probably okay having your card in a PSA holder. But is there a chance that something like that can happen in the next 10 or 15 years? That. That's the question I want to ask you, Greg Miller. Is there a chance? I'm writing down potential, potential titles for this episode. I've got David Chase goes off. David Chase explodes. I'll have what he's having. I mean, I, I mean it's just. This is unbelievable. Listen, we have to have fun. No, I'm having these topics. I love this hobby. I do. I'm having a blast. This is fant stick. I absolutely agree that technology and I mean, I, I don't think that you're the first person to say that. You're not the first person to say this because I've talked about this. A lot of people have talked about it. These grades, the, the slabs that the cards are sitting in are, I don't, I believe, are not the final resting place of these cards. That's not the final. It is the current resting place. It is not the final resting place. And it's possible that they are evaluated while in the slabs. So the slabs are put in new slabs that have more information or new stickers or new somethings. There's too much money to be made. There's too much money to be made. And I agree. I was at the. Things always come back to a story. So let me just tell a quick little story again. I was at the end of year, like department party last year, and the guy who was replacing me, my replacement because I was leaving the school, he comes to the party, the new hire, Zebra good guy. I'm sure they're way happier now having him instead of me. No way. And this guy is telling me about how his Tesla drives himself to work every day. And I'm like, shut up. I've heard about this, but come on. I've seen the WAYMU or wamu, whatever they are. But like, come on, they got the big thing on top. He goes, you want to go for a ride? I go, sure. We get in the car. This freaking car. He puts in coordinates at a park, like down the road. It drives, it stops. It sees a dog on the side of the road and slows down. It, it parks. It stops at a four way stop. It waits its turn. It goes. It parks itself in the parking lot of a park. And there's people walking by in the park. And as people are nearby, it recognizes it on the screen and slows down, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is insane. My immediate thought was, I need my parents to get one of these, because as they get older, I want them to be able to transport themselves with. With driving at night, which is harder when you get older, and all these things. If a freaking car can drive itself to a park with people running around and park itself, you don't think we can get a technology to freaking grade cards consistently? Listen, I know it's debatable, depending on who you ask, but we put a man on the moon quite a while ago. Supposedly. Supposedly, Molly is not convinced. Okay, but we put a man on the moon, like, 50 years ago. More than 50 years ago. More than 50 Years ago, we put a man on the moon. We can't use technology to grade a card. It's coming. And when it shows up, what is that going to do to the current situation? I mean, I don't know about you, but when you get blue book values on a used car, do you go to the library and pull out the book and start adding in all of the different accessories like we used to when I was younger? No. Things are different now. I go into Carvana and I plug it in, and they say, we can come pick it up for this amount of money. We'll give you a check. Things are different, and things are going to continue to change. Y. All right, David, can we go to the last segment of the episode? Is that. Is that okay with you? Let's do. Was that fun? Was that a fun topic? Oh, this is just. This is beautiful. If. Listen, I don't even care if we get eight views. This has been the greatest episode in the history of the midlife card chase. Why not just save the whole channel? I mean, because then, you know, Junk wax. What about mine? Mine get more views than yours. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Okay, Mike. You're right, Mike. All right, let's do it. Here we go. First, quick thank you to grailguard. Grailguard Yu-Gi-Oh newest sponsor of the sports card clubhouse. If you're going to be transporting some of these very, very expensive cards, the way to do it is grail guard. I can guarantee you if I was mailing a 200, 000 card, it would not be in the mail. It would be through grail guard. I 100 guarantee you I'm not getting on a plane and I'm not flying it across the country. I'm gonna have these guys do it, and they do a great job, and they're great dudes. So I like the.IO it's like, oh, Yu-Gi-Oh Oh, you remember that? Yu-Gi-Oh David Chase recommends. So as we do each and every episode before David sings this out, I hope you have a song ready. David recommends a card and then I recommend a card that we think you. You recommend a card I should have in my collection. I recommend a card that everybody should have in their collection. I know. So David's choice for this fine Saturday morning is the Leaf. Babe Ruth card. 48, 49, whatever. Babe Ruth card. David, why is this a card that I should own? So I already know that Greg doesn't love this card. So I'm gonna try to convince them. Okay, so Babe Ruth. Now, Greg, how many Babe Ruth cards do you have now you're just trying to make me look. Just answer my question, please. How many? I currently have zero Babe Ruth cards. Is he a cap? Is he a Yankee captain? I forgot. He's the one Yankee captain I don't own a card of. Got it. Okay. So talking about Babe Ruth cards, okay, yes, this card is increased in valley value. But I'm going to tell you, look at the photo of Babe Ruth on this picture. If you did not the. The knock against it is it's non playing days. We can all get past that. We know. But it's from the greatest set in the world. Okay? That's the difference. It's from the 52 top set. It is from the greatest set in the world, the 48 leaf set. And just look at Babe Ruth there you. By the way, I love the Gaudi roots. They are some of the cards I want the most. This is by far a better photo. The only reason why some people like the photo, bet the photo, the painting of the Babe Ruth is because it's iconic. But it looks like watercolor. Okay. There's no definition in his face. The one that from far back, yes, it looks like Babe, kind of like his face kind of thing, but it's basically splotches. It looks like a surat instead of like the real photo of Babe Ruth. This is like a haunting picture of him. He looks so badass. What is he thinking right here? He's thinking about a cheeseburger. But whatever it is, I really love the whole idea. Leaf is the greatest set in the world. If you're going to own a Babe Ruth, that's not a Goudi. I get it. The Goudies, though, have shot up crazy prices. This is half to a third possibly of that. Let's call it half of what a Gowdy cost. And you get to have it from the 48 leaf set, the same set as the Satchel Page rookie, the Jackie Robinson rookie, the Larry Dobie rookie, the Bob Fleer rookie, the greatest Ted Williams card in the world, the Joe DiMaggio number one card, the Warren Spawn, the Stan Musial. This set that has all these iconic cards, this is one of them. And I understand it's not playing days. Let's get past it. It's still a Babe Ruth card and it's a freaking cool card. Greg. A tier I don't like it. I just, I just don't. I mean, listen, there are people that are listening and this is their grail. There are people that are listening that own it and spend a lot of money on it. It's not that it's a bad card, it's not that it's a card that other people wouldn't enjoy. But everybody says buy what you like, collect what you like. That's what people are always. Patty doesn't say that. Petty says, collect what you don't like. Okay, thank you. Thank you. But I, I, there are a lot of Ruth cards that I would rather have and they're, they're more expensive but the outlay of cash for those is worth it to me versus this one. Now, I, I, it seems it's just such an out of place card. We have a set that you just said that is a very important set. A very important set. The most important set. It's got some of the most iconic cards of all time. It's got some rookie cards as some of the most important players of all time. And then you have this one card of a guy not sure who isn't he. I mean they made it because he died that year. Like, how about, how about the, there's a Honus Wagner card in there too. Wasn't he a manager though? Yu-Gi-Oh but at the same time, well, at least another player that he looks like. My great grandfather Tony Larussa has an Topps card because he was managing. I mean, I didn't put in managers. I don't know why. I don't know. I don't know either. Okay. I appreciate your effort. And anybody, there's no ch like this is like not you. And, and the reason why you don't like it is because it's non playing days. Right. It just feels out of place. It feels like it, it feels forced it. How about the photo of that card? What do you think of the. It feels like a money grab, dude. It feels like they were trying to include Ruth so that they could have Ruth instead of include Ruth because they should have had Ruth. And it felt gimmicky. It feels gimmicky to me. Again, I don't like talking negatively about other things that other people want. That's not. That's not me. But you're trying to force feed me this card, and I don't want it. I'm not talking to you anymore. There are 20. Move on. There are 20,000 cards. I want more. There's no way there's 20,000. There might be 50. There might be 20. There might be 25,000 cards. I want more. Move on. I don't talking to you anymore. All right, now. Hate your recommendation when we're talking. First of all, people like David Chase, what they do is they recommend cards to people and they're all expensive. It has to be an expensive card because he's an elitist type. I'm not like that. I want a card. I'm a. I'm a guy of the people. David. Of course. And this better be $3. If this is more than $3. This is a card that a lot of people could. Could acquire. And it's of a goat. It is of a true goat of one of the major sports. David. Oh, I was thinking non sports. Okay. Everybody acts like certain guys are the goat, but this person is truly the goat of a major sport. And it's a card that everyone can acquire. And it's a card that's a grail card. Do you know the card? You know the card where you're saying it's a grail card, but you're also saying it's for the people. So what's the definition of a grail card? I mean, it's a grail car. Is the. It is the. The. The card of the goat of that sport. That's for. And this is gonna be like a synchronized swimming card or something. Like, it's gonna be a weird sport. Let's see it. 1986, tops. Jerry Rice. People say Jim Brown is a goat. People say Tom Brady is the goat. People say the Joe Montana is the goat. Dick Butkus. There are so many people that people say are the best football player of all time, but nobody is Jerry Rice. Nobody. Jerry Rice absolutely dominated. They would double team him, triple team him, and he still produced and produced and produced. He was the hardest working guy. He's a good dude. I've met him in person a couple of times. Could not have been kinder when nobody else was around. Once was on the Golf course, nobody else is around. He doesn't have to be nice to me. He Goldin have been sweeter. He was a workaholic. And he is the greatest football player in the history of the sport. And his rookie card, and the reason it's affordable is because there's so many of them. I just looked it up. Guess the pop. Hold on. But. Well, there's a gazillion of the Fleer Jordans, too. But here's the thing. Like the Fleer Jordan, it's very condition sensitive. So to find a nice one isn't as easy. Now, I'm sure there are a lot of nines. You know, I'm sure that there's a decent amount of tension. But to me, this card, 6610s. I have an eight. And I love the card. I love the card. I love Jerry Rice. He's the true goat of football. It's not Tom Brady. Sorry, guys. Tom Brady's not even the best quarterback of all time. Joe Montana is the best quarterback of all time. So if you made it through 55 minutes. If you made it through 55 minutes of the episode. Take that, It's Joe Montana on the episode. I just. How did I. Do you think you need this card, David Chase? Have I convinced you I've had that card? I. I got rid of it because I was. Joe Perot is calling. Joe Pero is currently calling. Hold on. Let's answer it on the air. On the air. Okay. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm recording right now with David Chase on the air. This is. This is going to be in the episode. Put him on speaker. You one-of-one I'm putting you on speaker for the people. Go ahead. Joe Perot. Yu-Gi-Oh Well, no, just leaving work and some of us work, you know, some of us go to a job every day, but he's talking to two people who work. All right, well, we love yu-gi-oh Perot. And I will call you in a little bit once we're done. I'm tuning in. You said that last time. But, hey, I love you, too. All right. I mean, he made that comment like, we. I understand him saying that to somebody who doesn't work, but we both. Real jobs. Both of us. Well, one of us does. Oh, listen. Which one of that is David? I don't even get to decide when I pee. Okay. I had to go to the bathroom so bad during first period today. Like, I was gonna explode. And I Goldin go. I Goldin go. That's my job. What is your do you ever have to arrange when you use the restroom, David Chase? No, I have. Sometimes I have an appointment with a client, but I tell them I'm gonna be one minute late, and then I go to the restroom. So. You're right. I have a little more flex flexibility than you. But you know what? I'm not teaching America's youth, and that is just rewarding in itself. Yu-Gi-Oh well, we were learning all about Jamestown today and how the. The water supply really slowed down the growth of the colony. Interesting. I'm sorry I missed that. I. I definitely missed that when I was in high school. I was not paying attention. All right, are you ready to sing us out, David? I am sure he's pulling up. Do you have anything else to say before we end this? No, I'm not pulling out a list. I have no list. I'm going to give you an A for this Obsidian. No. What? I'm going to give you an A plus for this episode. And even though you suggested a card, I'm not a huge fan of. You still get an A plus. And I hope you bring this energy back next week, too. Well, next week we don't. Whenever we do this two weeks from now, bring this energy. They have to suffer through the Junk Wax episode in between. All right, David Chase, you ready? I am ready. Okay. We used to do a little, but the little Goldin do it. So the little got more and more. You just can't try to get a little better. Said a little better than before. You used to do a little, but the little wouldn't do it. So the little got more and more, more. I just can't try to get a little better. Said a little better than before.