He Put a $10,000 Jackie on His Credit Card + Now He Has to Tell His Wife + The Panel Reacts

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Well, this is a card I'd like to grade at the national and I'm probably going to try and get it done in a BGS holder. It's a LeBron Larry Bird auto. It's kind of hard to see because the auto is in white pen, but it's, yeah, numbered to 15. It's one of those upper deck, you know, bird and, and LeBron. I don't know, I, I, I would be super happy to try and do like a, within the show, whatever the, you know, whatever the fee is. Just because I want this baby slabbed up, you know, I want this protected. I wouldn't mind an auto grade on it. So hopefully. And I'm, I'm not thinking I'm going to do it with psa, especially how those lines are going to be. But if at the National, I can get it there early and get it back in 48 hours and take home in a slab, I'm going to be stoked. Are you selling that card? No. That's the thing. You can wait three years. Why don't you just wait for all this huggable blue to blow over marine layers? The ocean air, the fog. I just, I'm, I'm in a Ziploc bag, dude. No, see, yeah, you're right. Right. Like, like, you don't need to get us. I'm just saying you could wait or you could pay him 500 bucks. You're right. I like, I like, you know, I mean, I, I think. Okay, so this is me outing myself. I do have an impulse to get things slabbed. It's not always to sort of, you know, engage in arbitrage. Sometimes it is to protect and, or to have something land in my collection a little bit more with a feeling of like, yes, this is, this is, you know, we, we, we've, we've got contact with the moon, we've got, you know, Earth, whatever. It's like, it feels more significant than a mag to me and, and a Ziploc bag. You know what? I have no problem with any of that, Joe. Except that, except the patience. I know you're in a rush, and I just. Now is not now. You can't be in a rush right now. PSA has caused you that you don't have the. Unless you want to pay whatever exorbitant fee they're going to charge, but they can charge that because the congregation will pay the tithe. That's what will they, it will be paid. And maybe you're part of that. Like, and, and if you want it, if you want to do that, like, I'm, you're not gonna, I'm not gonna bug you about it. Like, do it. Did you say tithe? I did. That's, that's a good SAT word there, Jeremy. Tax. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, because I use the word congregation, you know, like it's all about God and all that. Or we're, I, I, I'm, I'm, you know, again, we're, it's, it's a full moon. You're on fire. Go. What does David Chase have to say? David Chase? I. Actually, this is a wording for you, Joe, about the national. I, this is just speculation for me. I think on site grading lines are going to be crazy at the national all grading companies. You are going to spend a significant time, amount of time of your day getting it, dropping it off and picking it up. It is not going to be a fast turnaround to do that and just be prepared that there's a lot of people thinking the same way as you. Well, then, then maybe it won't happen because I'm, I'm not exactly a, a patient. Peter. I think, I think that NBA Mike Baker with his, I mean, he has his sticker business, but he also does slabs. I think he's gonna have a record show. I think he's going to kill it at this show. He's, you know, he's recognized as the, the original grader at psa. He's got, he's, he's, he's respect respected by many in the hobby for his ability to grade a card both on the technical criteria and eye appeal. He knows both technical and eye appeal. I think he is going to Be backed up like crazy. He's hiring people left, right and center right now. I think it's going to be a big, a big show for Mike Baker. And, and really this is the best thing he could have asked for to launch his new grading company, which is about a year old now, but it's taken a while, I believe, to get going. I see his slab, I'm seeing more and more of his slabs come across my, my safe searches on, on, on ebay and elsewhere. So I think that he is about, you know, and hey, there are people that don't like him. There are people that think he's done some things that are shady, whatever it might be. I, I, I'm only saying because I, I hear it from people and Josh is emphasizing it right now. I mean, but, but that again, does it matter? Not enough people. No, it's like the same thing with psa. Not. There are, there are so many people out there who don't know that PSA isn't perfect. They think PSA is right all the time. They think that a 10 is a 10 no matter what. It was never a 9. It couldn't be a 9. There are people that think that way. How do I know this? Because I hear them talking at card shows and it's like they, they are not on social media. They're not listening to all of us talking heads on, on, on Instagram, YouTube, Twitter and elsewhere. They just, they don't know. They just know what they, they just know. They see cards for sale, they're in PSA slabs. That's a great benefit that PSA has as well, is that not everybody is listening to us. Not everybody has read my book Pops and Comms, which talks a lot of a ton about this kind of stuff, but not everybody knows about it. So PSA is set up. They can't fail unless the government takes them out. I don't think that's going to happen. I, I know that there's people trying to make that happen. Class actions. All this talk you, we hear Nick, Nick from Boston, card hunter trying to get, you know, do things and, and all this stuff. And I don't know, man, I, I just think that, that 6, 12, 24 months from now, not much is going to have changed except that this will be passed. This will be a blip on the radar and we'll laugh about it. And I'll laugh privately in my head saying hobby didn't learn anything. But maybe we don't need to because PSA is God. Yes, Joe. I mean, from What I can tell, a lot of this has to do with. Not all of it, but a lot of it has to do with the. The Pokemon craze, you know, and. And the massive amounts of Pokemon cards being submitted. So some of the fate of, you know, the future of grading, I think, is going to hinge on how the Pokemon universe unfolds. You know, I mean, if they continue to amplify at the rate they are, I. I mean, something's going to have to give. And, you know, I think about it a little bit in relation to tag, because that's a little bit of what tag has become. You know, tcg, you know, diff a different genre, but I saw some numbers. You know, I don't know who it was. Neo or somebody kind of like breaking down the submissions over the last year. And it's like Pokemon is just. I mean, I don't want to blame Pokemon. Like, they deserve to be able to collect and grade just like everybody else, but I think that's a significant part of. Of where we find ourselves in this. In this moment. I think a good. A good thing there, Joe, and where. I mean, I think you're right. That goes without saying that Pokemon is a. A root cause of where PSA is at right now. They are probably the reason for it. The question then becomes the Pokemon market. Like, is it a bubble that is going to burst? And if that happens, and If PSA invests $200 million in expansion and technology to. To. To. To support the. I don't know what percentage of their submissions are TCG versus sports, but I think it's, like, a lot. I think TCG is more than everything else combined. So if TCG is, say, half or 55 or 60% of their business. Who just texted you about me? Joe, who just texted you? I'm just kidding. I can see you looking at your phone. You're like, yeah, Jay Lee's on a heater right now. For sure. We're gonna have a conversation. Yeah, but. Okay, so if the TCG market collapses or takes a big hit. Correct. Whatever the terminology is, what happens to PSA after they've deployed 200 million into infrastructure that is and capacity that is maybe no longer necessary? Is sports going to be able to fill that void? I don't know. Like, I don't know TCG enough to understand what could happen. Josh, do you have any thoughts? Yeah. In April, PSA graded 1.52 million TCG cards. They graded 690,000 baseball. I'm sorry, sports cards. So in April. April 20, 26, 690 sports and one and a half million TCG. Yep. So they're two and a half times. So I, I don't know what those numbers add up there. Like 25% sports and 75 TCG. Yep. I mean, that's, that, that is, that's. They're so. They're in, they have such a good business. They have such a good business. Pokemon has a good business, too. Pokemon literally just prints money. They, they print cards, they sell. Print cards, they sell. And it's easy. There's no, there's no, there's no imagination. The back of every card's the same. It's, it's unbelievable what they have. Those are two of the best businesses going on. I would love to invest in psa. Just invest. Not, not my, I already have and slaps. I'd like to own some stock like it's a gold mine. And there's, they have, they don't just have customers, they have a congregation. They literally, they. It's a cult. It's a cult. The hobby is a bit of a cult that way. I don't know. Does not listen to your show, Jaylee, because I got an idea. I, I, I really have no idea if he does at this point, but go ahead, talk to him. Whatever. You know, any of those guys, any of those PSA guys listening, maybe they should just, I mean, it can keep it under the same umbrella, but just create two separate, like, departments, one fully for Pokemon and one fully for sports cards. And, you know, like, devote your resources appropriately. But, like, you know, it, it sounds like there's some friction with receiving Pokemon cards, TCG cards and sports cards as they gotta, like, deploy them and maybe a, a slightly more consolidated approach to their intake and their processes could be helpful for them. Why do you, why do they care? They get the same money for each slab. Why does it matter to them which one? Because we're upset. The customer seems to be. And, and because. No, no, I again, think, I'm just trying to think practically here. I think why they care, David, is having their business diversified and not being too reliant on one market, because if a market collapses, they want to be able to go to the other market and have them fill up that capacity. So I think, I think PSA has an interest in keeping both. Not in keeping them, but while doing whatever they can to keep both markets alive and well. But I, I still say that first in, first out sort of thing. Now, Joe's idea about, you know, different departments, I, I only think that, that really would be useful, Joe, if it comes down to expertise and if they have the, if the expertise. Because you never want to. Okay, we've got this office with 800 graders for TCG and this office for 200 graders for sports. But if TCG has, has excess capacity, all of a sudden they can't, those guys can't go to sports, which maybe they can't for because of expertise. But you don't want to have people sitting there doing nothing when you are short on staff on the other side. I mean, doing nothing would, would be, you know, like sometimes I, I wish for a boring day in my own job, but like, yeah, if PSA had a boring day, that wouldn't be the end of the world in anybody's life. All right, guys, this is a, this. I did not think we're going to talk about this for so long, but I got a little heated and excited and, and I, you know, stand by just about everything I said. But listen, I do want to make one thing clear here. And I've said this a hundred times in sick over six years of doing this, that a lot of what live streamers. And I'm not talking about live stream repack and breakers. I mean live stream talkers like myself and everyone on the screen and others. A lot of times we get into these discussions and we talk and we say things and we don't have time to completely think them through. And I am guilty of that. So I reserve the right to change my tune on some of these things. Some of them I'm not going to. I don't, I still say I, I don't care that they're shut down. Doesn't impact my personal collecting experience. Won't impact me as a collector. Now that said, I, I see. Feel bad for my friends who are impacted by it. But I also say it's your fault. You're too reliant on one vendor. And that is something they teach you in business school early on. And if not, it's something I think that just. It should almost be instinctual in this world for people. But. Okay, there's another topic that I wanted to talk about. Guys, I know we're three hours in, but we have a whole brand new topic to talk about. And this is. There's been no tease of this. Maybe a small tease, but no information on it. This is brand new to Joe and Josh. I think David Chase has an idea about what this topic is. Mikey says talk about Pokemon's. Jaylee, I can't. I, I'm Hearing a lot of people saying that Pokemon isn't going anywhere. I believe that. I don't think it's going anywhere. But you just, you just never know. I mean, and listen, maybe it's 50 years, but yeah, I hope Pokemon goes nowhere again. I don't care. It doesn't impact me. I was at a show, I was actually at a local show today. It was a gaming show. So it was a lot of like game cartridges and, and comic books and there was a lot of Pokemon paraphernalia and some, and a few vendors with cards there. This is at the same place that has the local monthly card show where you can walk right in like it's nobody's business. There's nobody there. Like there's people there, but you can walk right in at this thing. The community center was lined up through the whole community center, out the door through the parking lot. The next, the overflow parking lot was, was full. I've never seen that place as full. They had both curling skating rinks filled. I go to the card show sometimes. It's in the freaking hallway, never mind in a, in a separate room. It's not even close how big the whole gaming world is compared to, to sports cards. So. Okay, new topic here, New topic. So guys, what, here's, here's, here's something that happened. I was covering the weekly fanatics collect auction last weekend and there was a card that I loved in the auction. I didn't buy it, didn't bid on it. The buyer reached out to me. Okay, the buyer reaches out to me by email just the other day. Let me see if he reaches out to me on, on Tuesday, two days after the auction and starts off with saying I bought the card. I bought the card. So I'm going to share the card with you guys here. First off, I know David, you've been waiting to see this. So let me just set up my, my, my, my screen here really quickly guys and I will show you the card. By the way, this is a dream card for me. This is like, I think this card is amazing. Here it is. Here's the card is a 2011 playoff prime cuts Timeline Trios Prime Jackie Robinson Triple Patch 1 of 1 Game Use Jersey pieces with really interesting patches including like an eyelet for like a lace to go through or a button. Was there a buttonhole? Something like that? Let me make it bigger for people who are watching. This is a absolutely beautiful Jackie Robinson game use memorabilia card from 2011. I guess the only knock against it is the lack of license but in this case, it's a beautiful picture of Jackie. It's a very classy looking design and those memorabilia pieces are freaking unbelievable. I love this card. Let's go through the panel first and get your thoughts on the card. We'll go from top to bottom here. David Chase, what are your thoughts on this Jackie Robinson one of one card that sold for $9,900 on Fanatics last Sunday. It's an incredible card. Anybody that's looking for these kind of relic cards, this has to be a grail and with one of the most iconic people and game used. Wow. I get it why somebody fell in love with that card. How about you, Josh? What do you think of this? You're muted. What do you think of the card? That's a cool card. 9,000 is too high. Okay. Why, why? What is the right price then? It's 9900. What's the right. And why is it. Why is it too high? I mean, I have never seen a card with this type of Jackie Robinson game use memorabilia in it. Why is $9900 too high when a wembanyama simple black card just sold for 5 million? Why is 9, 900 too high? Well, I mean, both, both can be over overpriced, but I think that's too high because I think there are several Robinson jerseys that these companies own. And I think between 2005 and 2012, there's over a hundred different Robinson jersey cards. So I think 9,000 for it's a one of one, but there's still like a bunch of other ones available. So I just think labeling it a 1 of 1 increases the price, but I just think it's too. It's a cool card. I'm not slamming the card at all. I think it's awesome. I think 9,000 is too high. What do you think? What's the right price? Between 4 and 5,000. Okay. Joe, what do you think? Well, it's a beautiful card. I love mem. That's clearly used. And you know, in this case, like, there's a little. You can see some infield dirt on a few portions of the. Of the swatches there. I. I also can't quite make out the foil. It looks to be like, it might be sort of like a platinum deep. A deep platinum blue purple going on, which is very attractive to me. That would probably play into my valuation of the card. How aesthetically appealing the one of one version is. And I think it looks great slabbed up. By the way, apropos of our previous Station. I, I, I, I think it's nice, it's nice and tidy in that holder. And, and I do think that, you know, I'm not, I'm not saying this just to pump you up, Jay Lee. I, I do think that there is some opportunity in some of these, you know, mid mid 2000s, early 2000s, you know, early 2010s MEM cards because a lot of it's undiscovered and a lot of it are brands that were maybe not quite as known at the time they were being released and maybe don't enjoy quite the same power or status as, you know, the, the National Treasures or the Flawless. But over time they may very well find themselves in that league, especially, you know, National Treasures being more maybe a basketball realm. Baseball seems to have some, some areas that for me are, are somewhat undiscovered. I've seen them over the years, but not some of these bomber cards like this one. And so who, who's to say overpriced, underpriced. I mean the market dictates. But I, I think it's a beautiful card and, and I am intrigued by anything, you know, game used mem, Jackie Satchel, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, like all that's very interesting to me. Well, appreciate the comments from everybody and that the, the card is not the story here, by the way. But we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna move. We're. First of all, good evening to Foul Ball. Good to see you. Carl says, yet another excellent show, Jeremy and panel. Thank you. Carl, who is in. Carl's from Oz, but he's also in Oz. Jayhawker says, that's one very sexy card. Mikey says, didn't think it was unlicensed. Looking at it, I actually didn't either until I real, you know, I just looked at it further. Skeppy says, I have so many insights for you on this, Jeremy. Josh, 9K is ridiculously too low. So there's a, there's the other side of the, of the opinion situational says looks like crap in a PSA slab mod. Hey, just like me, we're not holding back tonight. Absolutely. Regardless of how many Robinsons there are during that timeline, a one of one is still a one to one and this is extremely low in my opinion. There are a million cards that sell for way more than this that shouldn't I, I agree with that. But a million cards can all be overpriced. But I mean that's a whole other thing. Skeppy says, Josh, how Many Jackie Robinson jerseys do you think exist at all time? Remember, Jackie got one home NOA jersey per season, maybe two per season. And Mikey says, I doubt there are many better patches than that. Okay. And then foul ball says overpriced, and it's graded. So foul ball hates grading. And so I would. That. That's exactly on brand for foul ball. And that's part of Fallow ball's identity. That's part of your hobby identity. Fallowball as that's just a throwback to the last episode, I think. Okay. Personally, I love the card. I would. I would pay $10,000 for this card. I think it's worth more than that. My own. I. I personally think that this card is exceptional. I love it. I don't care about the slab at all. I like PSA slabs for thick cards. I actually really like. Like Joe does. I like the way thicker cards look in PSA slabs. So. But that. That's neither here nor there. I want to read you guys. This is. If you guys thought that this was something to talk about, let me read you the email I got from this guy. Now I'm. Hold on. Before I put it on the screen, I'm going to. Okay, I'm just gonna put it on the screen and I'm gonna. But I'm gonna read it to everybody because it's not short, but let me read it to you. And here we go. This is the email I got. On Tuesday the 26th, I bought the Jackie Patch one of one. When I saw that card, I thought to myself, this has to be the batch, the best patch card out there. So I did some research. I searched the archives on PWCC, Heritage, and eBay. In my opinion, this is the best patch card ever created. Not just the best Jackie patch, but quite literally the best patch card ever. Considering the rarity, the player, the aesthetics, it's unbeatable game used, chunky triple patch with a buttonhole and some grime on the jersey. Without a doubt, the holy grail of patch cards about myself. This is where it gets good, guys. I'm a school teacher in Minnesota. My wife also a teacher, and I have three kids, two of whom I'm trying to help put through college. We pretty much live check to check. I've never purchased a card over $1,000. I don't have $10,000. I literally put the card on credit. Horrible financial idea. Like I said, I'm a teacher. By the way, my wife doesn't know yet. I'm game planning that conversation. And I'm open to suggestions. You know you guys are loving this. My rationale for the purchase. I love it. It's art, it's a piece of history and it's a one of one Jackie Robinson Number two Jackie Robinson is a Mount Rushmore figure in baseball. I really don't need to say much more cultural relevance. MLB hall of Fame icon. The hobby loves anything Jackie. Finding a game use patch like that, I had to have it. Number three There is no way there will ever cut up another Jackie jersey. There would be riots in the streets. It's not happening. In other words, I can't imagine one will ever be better in the future. The last two early Jackie game use jerseys which this appears to be, have sold for four and five million dollars. Number four in my opinion this is a million dollar card and it is extremely undervalued. I know that sounds crazy, but hear me out. Take a look at some modern one of one prices. Mostly Logoman and Super Fractures. I like those cards, but there are typically several logoman players for a player. And let's face it, the super factor card is usually the exact card as the base with a fancy border and one one stamp on it. Luca, Kobe, Wemby, Curry, Trout, Judge, Giannis, LeBron, Otani all have one million dollar plus cards. There's probably at least a dozen other modern day cards with sales in the five hundred thousand dollar range. PMGs or other one of one cards. It's manufactured rarity which is fine, but it's not truly a rare piece. Game used chunks of Jackie Robinson Early Jersey Rare. I know you made a big swing with your Shoeless Joe card. Great card by the way. I doubt you regret it. When I saw this Jackie, I knew I had to have it. True story. My absolute max was $10,000. That's my credit limit. I wouldn't have been able to keep bidding. It ended at 9900 with a juice. I honestly wouldn't sell that card for anything less than a hundred thousand dollars. Maybe I'm crazy. I'm putting together most of my remaining cards and shipping them off to pwcc. I think he means fanatic collect. By the way, PWC doesn't exist anymore. He goes. I'm hoping to get about $3,000. I don't have a great collection by any means. I'll have to figure out a plan for the rest. Anyways, love the show. I play your podcast in my background during my workday. Maybe I will run into you someday. Keep up the good work. Stan, which is a name I made up. AKA the Jackie patch guy. Now I'm going to read you the back and forth we had. I wrote hey Stan, glad you reached out. You know I love that card because I talked about it on the show. I agree with 1, 2 and 3 above. As for being a million dollar card, not so sure. But I think 10,000 is not overpriced. And if I owned it, I also wouldn't sell it for less than 100 grand. Which is true. I wouldn't. I would just keep it. Can I share your story on sports cards live without sharing your name? People might criticize the debt strategy, so be aware. But I think it makes for a good story to tell. Let me know what you think. Thanks for reaching out. He goes. I literally just got listening watching to your wrap up party of the premiere with Adam the 27 guy. Great insights, blah blah blah. Now I realize that I'm biased but honestly, 100 honest maybe there were 10 to 12 cards in the entire premier auction that I take over my Jackie. Damn that feels good to say. Feel free to share my story. I don't care if you use my name or an alien sub or an or an alias of a guy named Stan. You're right. I'm probably going to catch some grief for my financial decisions and rightfully so. Like I said, this was a horrible financial idea and he's got that bolded. For those of you listening but I don't have any regrets. Not yet anyways. Some good news. I've sold about fifteen hundred dollars worth of inventory so far. Only eight five hundred dollars to go. Thanks. I wrote there are probably ten to twelve in that premiere. I prefer over your Jackie. And then he writes back last time he says I went back and looked. There's two cards I might take over. The Jackie Kobe Exquisite and Griffey Mantle Dual Auto. Find me a more visually appealing, rare and historically significant card. It doesn't exist. The card has chunks of early Jackie. There should be a Netflix documentary about this card by the he he likes the Josh Allen. He says this Josh Allen that sold for 1.3 million I think. Or this Jackie Robinson for 10 for 10 grand. I mean I prefer the Jackie Robinson head and shoulders above the for 10 grand than I do the Josh Allen Shield for for 1.3 million. So that is the end of the exchange. Obviously the card is awesome. We have. We all have differing thoughts on what it's worth. That is fine. The story here is a guy goes and spends 10 grand on his credit card, can't afford it and hasn't told his wife. And I just thought that that would be really interesting for the panel and for the chat. Guys, let's, let's go around the horn with our initial thoughts. And I, I could see out of the my peripheral all the comments coming in. Let's go around the torn with our thoughts on the situation. We'll start with you, David Chase. Man, I really respect this guy's passion. That's one thing for sure, right. And his love for this card. And I'll tell you, there's parts of the story that reminds me of myself and there's parts that do not. All right. I fell in love with that 48 leaf, Jackie, in a one where it was on my mind the way that this gentleman had the card. The difference is I had ways to get the money and. But my wife would not have understood this card. But before the auction, way before the auction, I had to sell her on it. I had to show her my passion. And trust me, she thought it was crazy. But when I literally explained how important this version of a card is and sat her down and, and I've made fun of myself saying, like, I pretty much gave a PowerPoint presentation and she knows nothing about cards, but she like, after me talking about it over and over again, she said, I get it, okay? I understand. And I even said, you could even talk to another person that gets it in the industry. She's like, if this is that important and you, like, I sold her on it, okay. And I think that's extremely important when you're trying to buy a card that's at this extent, your spouse has to be on board. My opinion, obviously, number two, man, to put yourself in debt is very scary, in my opinion. There are other things that possibly you could have gone back from and maybe pitched somebody that had some money and had the same passionate conversation with them to see, like a loan in a different way than getting yourself in credit card debt, it's over. You're in this situation now. I'm happy that you have the card, but it might be tough for you to liquidate it for 100,000 and be in debt for a while. So I hope that you have some ways for you to tell your wife who's going to find out and for you to come up with money to pay it off without you selling this card, because I don't know how you're going to be able to do that when you love this card and. And you don't want to sell it anyway. So I don't really understand your Thought of getting out of debt. That's where I'm at. Yeah. I mean, maybe he'll pay it off over time. I, I didn't, I didn't ask him that. You know, you saw. I just showed you all of our conversation, all of our back and forth. There's nothing that wasn't displayed or read out just now. So I don't know anything more than everybody else does at this point. Joe, how about you? What are your thoughts on the situation? Well, kind of following up on the heels of what David said. I mean, for about the last 25 years or, or maybe even longer, I mean, I've had a sort of steady deployment of resources in the direction of. Of. Of sports cards. And, and so if I was confronted with a situation like this where this card meant so much to me, I would understand. And, and I'm actually enduring one of those moments right now because I did put more into a sports card than I had ever put into somewhat recently with the Curry card that we talked about a while back. And, and so like, now you gotta cool your jets and, and let the resources, you know, add up. And, and hopefully, you know, a teacher, steady income. I mean, you know, it's not a. It's a modest career, but hopefully he can, he can find his way to being solvent in that. And then I'm not going to comment on, you know, someone's conversation with their significant other. That's, that's, you know, a. A very personal matter. What I would say though is I love, like David, I love the passion. I love that this is so exciting to him. I. And I was brought along for the journey. I was, I was cautiously optimistic when I weighed in without any information after hearing his narrative. I'm bullish. I'm. I agree with. I mean, I'm not sure about, you know, three cards in the premiere, but I, I very much can understand that. A Jackie with game used dirty mem with some foil and a one of one. Now that said, this is where I'm gonna pay homage to, to Josh Adams, because I think Josh has been around the hobby for a while and knows a thing or two. There. There are certain sensibilities around MIM patches and sort of ceilings and floors and also the licensed factor, which you mentioned as a sort of casual aside, Jeremy, but those are all important and the hobby does have certain ways of kind of interpreting offerings and. Or products and. Or, you know, one of ones be. Be they of a known product of a slightly lesser known product. And, and that. That's not to Say that the actual jersey of a jack if it's a game worn jersey of Jackie. But there's still pedigree, there's still a certain amount of gravitas with brands and, and, and sort of known quantities, if you will. So I'll leave it at that. I'll land my plane. Other than just to say I'm stoked for the guy and, and I love the card myself. I mean it's, it's the kind of card that would feel good in my collection. Before we go to Josh. Yeah, thanks, Joe. The only thing I want to add to that because you, you express a little bit of concern about the, you know, where, where patch cards fit into the whole scheme of sports cards and, and how they're looked at value wise. And you're right. Remember when in person autos weren't favored and now they're highly favored. Like those thing. I'm just saying those things change over time. I personally am bullish on. I think right now cards like that are an absolute steal based on what I think their inherent value should be relative to the overall hobby. So I, I'm, I, I like the purchase. I like it at the price. I would go as far as telling him, if your wife, if your wife needs you to get out of the card, I'll buy it off you. I'll pay you what you paid for it. Like, I'm almost willing to guarantee him no divorce because I, I wanted to buy that card so badly. But I also was like, and listen, I do have ten grand in the bank that I could go put in that card, but I didn't want to. But it, but I'm regretting not buying it now. I know that his max, he told me his max was, he told us his max was 9, 900. One more bid. That card was mine, whatever that would have been. I'm like, damn, maybe I should have outbid him on it and you know, maybe I save a marriage, piss him off because he doesn't get it. But like I think it's worth 10 grand. I, I think that card's worth 10 grand knowing what I paid for other cards like it to me. Let me rephrase. To me, that card is worth ten grand. I really don't care what anyone else thinks it's worth. Unless you think it's worth more then I care more because now you make me feel good about my, my, you validate my assessment. But Josh think it's worth four to five. That's fine. I think it's worth more. So And I'm not arguing with Josh. This is, it's just a thought. So. Okay, let's go to Josh now on the situation and then we'll go to comments. Honestly, I'm speechless. I mean, I mean, I'm not gonna comment on what someone says to their spouse about financial issues, but the guy has already established he's got a significant amount of weight he's carrying in terms of college and his, you know, a fixed income. I think it's irresponsible, frankly. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but there are plenty of times cards have come up for me and I had a pass on them because I couldn't afford it. And there's no shame in that. And nothing wrong with, it's a hobby. And I think that should be the first and foremost thing. I feel, I feel bad for this guy, frankly. I mean, someone in the, in the, in the chat said there's a, the interest rate in the car is probably, you know, unless it's like a really, you know, single digit interest rate, he's going to be paying a lot more than 10,000 for that card. I mean, I, I, I don't know what he's doing, to be honest with you. Frankly, I think it's a bad decision. It's a cool card, though. Like, it's cool card. I'm not, not slamming the card, but, like, that's my opinion here. I just think, like, this is a terrible decision. I passed on so many cars the past year because I just couldn't swing it. And that's the facts of life. That's okay, dude. I pass on cards when I can swing it. But I feel a responsibility to my family and I need a, I need that, that rainy day fund. You know, I'm not, I'm not like, but at the same time, I'm, I'm sad I didn't buy the card. Like, I love this, I love the card. It would instantly become my, my favorite memorabilia card. Like, I think it's fantastic. Go ahead, Josh. Then we'll go to you. David, Upstate had a great, has a great. I'm, I saw, just awesome. Sorry. Well, actually he has a few. So which one, which one was it? The Most recent at 12:20. We're all in different seasons of life. And he's right. He's 100, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, David, let's go to you. Well, you say cards will always be around, but that one won't be. It's a one of one, right? So sometimes there are one of one Cards that won't be around, it will never be around again. Sometimes, sometimes you got to buy it when you can and deal with the, with, with the fallout later, which is what this guy's doing, right? Okay, David. Yeah. But the one thing that interested me, Josh, when, when you said this, and it was kind of like a funny comment that you said it, but it just was telling to me because you're the one. You own an auction house and you mentioned that you thought that this was overpriced. And I would feel like many times owners of auction houses would always say the price is actually what two people are willing to pay. Right. Like, auction houses, I feel like, would use that in their pitches many times even. Right. And I'm just wondering, even though this was at an auction, what's your thought on why something like that would be over pain as an, as an auction on a one of one card? What's your thought there? Well, I mean, so it's a one of one because someone put a stamp on it, right? I mean, it's, I mean, there's, there's many other. Not many. There are other Robinson Jersey cards. Not that look like that, though. I mean, that look like that one, right? It's a very unique one. It's. The buttonhole's cool, right? Like, as a collector, that's awesome stuff. But I mean, I, I'll give that, that, that, that Josh Allen in the same auction went for what, $3 million? 1.3. Oh, okay. 1.3. That's crazy. That's crazy money. People get swept up and sometimes, you know, there's hype around certain players, hype around certain cards, and you know, one of ones are the, are the hottest thing now. And, And I think people get, people get swept up in that. And I think that's what happened here for this gentleman. And I think he, but he. Yeah, there's, there's getting swept up and then there's planning for the night of the auction and knowing your maximum and that being it. Like, I think he was swept, I think he was swept up by the card. He fell in love with the card and the story that, that, that he was able to conjure up for the card, you know, and like, I'm, I'm serious when I say, like, I'll, I'll take him out of the card if he, like, like Stan and I, I do. He. By the way, he, as you saw and heard, he gave me permission to use his real name. I overrode that and decided I didn't want to do that. I don't want to bring this guy any anything. I even deleted his email. People don't need to know any who this guy is unless he goes public himself. So to. To you Stan, I, I made that decision. I don't want to. I don't want to use your real name but I thank you for giving me permission to had I chosen to but when I bought my Joe Jackson I had two people right away email me and say if you ever sell that I'll give you what you paid for it. That was great to know that validated mics and then I had. And then I had another guy come in. Well it was through a third party broker and make me an offer. Well more than not enough but well more than what I paid for the card made me feel pretty good. I'm kind of want to do the same thing for this guy and say bro, like you know I might need to. I will buy that card off you for US$9,900. I'm not going to cut you a check right away. I might, I might want to like put on layaway but you can tell your wife that you can resell that for nine, nine hundred bucks. I, I will buy that card off you for $9,900. I just you know may. I'll send you two grand a month for five months sort of thing. Like that's the way I would do it but I will buy that card. So I like that card that much. I think it is. I agree with him on so many of the points that he made about it. Not all of them but so many of them. I love it. Okay, thanks for tuning in and being a part of the sports cards live community. Don't forget to like subscribe and most of all keep collecting more great content to come. Sports cars is a lifestyle.