He's Back! Joe Hollywood Returns E400 (Giveaway Episode)

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You can contact us via social medias or email, Sportscard Nation, PC, Gmail. So when you hear that word, get that word into us. Enter and you'll be entered. We're picking one winner via randomizer that's going to one-of-one a Prizm pack of at least $400 including a sealed wax box. So that'll be sometime during the show. Let's talk about this show. Let's thank our sponsors right off the top. As you see, Iron Sports Card, Sports Collectors Digest, Hobby Hotline, Upper Deck, Card Ladder, Any Certified Trading Card association. This week, part two with our great guest, Joe Hollywood. Hailing from New York City like myself, got to know him a little bit better after talking to him and really had a great conversation with him. Was, was, you know, learned a lot about him and, and likewise and really glad I had him on from not really knowing them more much of them or just hearing about them. You know, we always sort of draw conclusions about people without really knowing them. Right. I'm not saying it's fair or right, but we do that as humans. And I got to know him a little bit better and really, really down Nerf. Nice guy and you know, really appreciated getting to know him. And this will be the second half of that conversation. So hopefully you enjoy it, as I always say, as much as I enjoy doing them. So we'll try to keep this intro as short as we can. And so with that being said, again, listen for that contest announcement sometime during the episode and let's start the show part two with Joe Hollywood. Tyler Redick here from 2311 Racing. Another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chumba. Jump in@chumbacasino.com let's jumba. No purchase necessary btw group void we're prohibited by law. CTNC21+ sponsored by Chumba Casino now you've, you, you worked on Wall street and now obviously you're in the hobby in a, in a big way. A lot of people like to compete. Compare those two niches, you know, Wall street to the hobby. As someone who's wore both of those hats, I'll ask you Joe, like is that fair to draw comparisons? Not fair. Similarities, differences. Like when, when you hear that I'm sure you have, you know, how do you, someone who's, who, who's wore again wore both of those hats, you know, how do you feel when you hear that? I think a lot of people make that comparison because you know, values of cards go up and down, right? And the first thing that you associate that with is, is Wall Street. You associate with, you know, things that trade every single day, they go up and down. I will tell you though, the card market, the volatility on some of these cards is just Absolute. But with that said, I mean some of these cards that they're coming out with are just absolutely and I have to say Topps has done a very, very good job of making some very high quality product. And one of them that I think, I don't know what you think about it but I think they did a very good job with. And I will say I'm also very excited about Topps Chrome Update that's coming out for basketball, I think that's, and obviously eventually for football. I think those are going to be just on unbelievable product. But taking a look at what they did, my, the product that really stands out to me is how they really transform that Cosmic product. You know it was that unlicensed product. Obviously they got the license for it and they came out and the Cosmic product became one of my most popular products that people love. Searching for planets, searching for some of these Zebra fractures. We actually pulled a Superfractor from Topps Cosmic Basketball and it was Coper Flag. So we're really proud about that and so. Never heard of them. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm sure, I'm sure. I mean how, how popular did he become popular did that guy be? I mean, I mean think about it and you know what the other kid, Khan canipple and Charlotte, I mean I got a good friendship with Grant Williams who Plays for the Hornets. I gotta tell you, this guy Khan, he really, I mean, he set the three point record for a rookie. I think this guy really might be the real deal. So I think, you know, having a good rookie class, I mean, Dylan Harper, Edgecombe, I mean, from what we saw from the 24 class versus the 25 class, I mean, my God, I mean, it's almost. It was almost night and day and I think we needed it. I think the hobby needs those really, really good classes now. We're all hoping that this next class, this 26 classes, you know, is just as good, if not, you know, maybe even slightly, a little bit less, but more slightly even better. You always want to have a good rookie class and the same thing for football, right? I mean, let's see, let's see what happens, especially in Las Vegas now. I mean, they got a number one pick, they got a strong quarterback that's coming in there. And you know what? They also signed a veteran quarterback to take over. And you know, Kirk Cousins is no slouch. I know he didn't work out for him in Atlanta, but you know, he brought Minnesota to the playoffs. He made the playoffs when he was at Washington. I mean, the guy is not, I wouldn't say the journey in quarterback. I would say the guy's a quality quarterback and we'll see what happens. Hopefully he becomes a good mentor. I would hope to think it's almost like a. Almost like how Kurt Warner came to the New York Giants. Do you remember when Kurt Warner came to the Giants that he played that one year was the same year that Eli Manning. It was, it was Eli Manning Drift year was 04 and they had him start, you know, I don't know, six or eight games. Adam start. And then he was kind of mentoring Eli around along the way and then. But the best part about that is. And he goes from there and he goes to Arizona. And he goes to Arizona and he goes to a Zebra Bowl. They almost one-of-one that Zebra Bowl. They probably should have one-of-one that Zebra Bowl. Yu-Gi-Oh that was. But that was against the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's right. Against the. We can thank every, every night I say a thank you to James Harrison, if you remember, ran that touchdown. Still the longest touchdown return in Zebra bowl history. Over 100 yards. Caught it like one or two yards into the end zone, which had Arizona scored there. That game probably we're talking about an Arizona and Kurt Warner Zebra Bowl. Harrison picks it off and somehow, I mean, he's not a small guy, big linebacker, just rumbles, fumbles and stumbles the whole way. It looked like he was going to be down at like to 10. And he sort of like, I want to say hurdled because he doesn't have that big a high. But everyone remember if you've seen the game, he sort of just like side steps, half jumps, stays on his feet, almost falls, you know, teammate sort of helps him, pushes him forward and somehow gets in the end zone and literally ends the half that way. And like just the momentum swing of that and they still almost lost it. Took a Roethlisberger to San Antonio homes pointed the end zone touchdown to one-of-one the game. So the Steelers almost tried to lose that in, in a few different ways and just were saved by, by some plays made by some great players. But Yu-Gi-Oh and Kurt Warner, you know, some people argue he shouldn't be in the hall or should. I know me and my son have had that debate. My son doesn't think, but anytime you one-of-one a Zebra bowl and I just think when you think of the story, the guy was bagging groceries at a supermarket and then becomes a Zebra Bowl MVP in a, in a regular season. Mvp. I think there's something to be said about that. So I know his career wasn't as long as some of these other quarterback legends and hall of fame, but he's got hardware, he's got a great backstory and he's a pretty humble guy too, kind of a God fearing guy. So I think when you put that all together, I, I get it. My son says, well, just look at the stats and, and take the, like, you know, and I'm like, well, if you do that. But that's really not how it's done. So you can't do it like that. We could do a whole show on that. You mentioned, you know, some Tops product. Again, we grew up around the same time. We grew up where there was other things besides Tops, right. Fleer and Score and Upper Deck came along in 89. And I'm not gonna lie, Joe, I sort of missed those days where you had multiple licenses. You know, as you mentioned, Tops and Fanatics now holds three of the four major licenses. There even is a, a low rumor going around that there maybe we'll try to get the NHL 1, 2 at some point or get it from Upper Deck somehow. Do you, I guess two pronged. Question one, do you miss, do you miss not having like multiple choices for, you know, for products like we used to have? And if not, are you worried? Like my fear always is with, with Fanatics and Tops having three to four the less competition. Right. There's less drive to, to perform. Like if you're in a race with four or five people, you're going to motivate yourself to, to train hard to, to be as fast as you can. Using a bad analogy. But when you're sort of the only one in the race, you sort of can rest on your laurels and maybe not work as hard as someone who, who saw all those brands and now we don't really have them. You know how do you Yu-Gi-Oh in on, on the current state, you know, the hobby with the license. Yu-Gi-Oh I remember those brands. I even a couple that you didn't mention. I remember Donruss. Yu-Gi-Oh of course I remember sport flicks. Remember sport flicks? Yep. And when those came out you were ma. That was like people were like Yu-Gi-Oh that's so cool. Like it was just a whole. It ever really caught on in a big way. But people thought they were cool. I thought they were cool. I just, I probably didn't buy a ton of them. I bought some. But Yu-Gi-Oh like you said, obviously Donra even some lesser known company try to produce cars kind of. What's your take on where we are now with licensing compared to what we sort of grew up with? Yu-Gi-Oh So I think in regards to competition, I mean look, I don't think competition would hurt the, would hurt the gamer. However, what I am afraid about is too much competition flooding the market and then devaluing the cards. And that's what we've seen before. That's what happened. And so I think that this is their way of mitigating that. And so for me, if it was another company, if it wasn't tops, then I'd probably be a little, I mean Panini. Look, Panini did a great job with their Flawless product, their national just product, their Immaculate product, impeccable products. I mean look, I'm the big fan. I'm a huge fan of Flawless. We rip Flawless nearly every night that I go live. We're opening a Flawless suitcase. It's till today. It's one of my favorite things to open up. I mean every time we open it up I got a big smile on my face. It's awesome. It's great product. Right. And so I think Topps is going to do a great job job. I was opening up dynasty, opening up baseball dynasty and just you know again every box we're hoping at Shohei Otani. But look we, you know we pulled a Aaron judge out of five auto. Now that's something really special 101s we're pulling even definitive. I mean I know I'm not sure how much of definitive Evil. Definitive is a great product and this is all for baseball. And so it leads me to get really excited of okay, let's see how basketball is, let's see how football is. Let's see how royalty becomes now that all of these products are now license. Right. And so I do enjoy the Breakers Delight product. I do enjoy the, you know, jumbo hobby product. They come. My goodness, I'm looking forward to those Zebra high end boxes because I think that's if we're seeing the good value out of product like Chrome and other products that brought out. I cannot wait to see how those Zebra high end products do. So we'll see how that works. But I think it was another company besides Tops I would probably have a little bit more anxiousness. But I think Tops is going to do a great job. This isn't their first rodeo. You know, they've been around for a long time and I think that they do do a great job with is understanding that. I think they do a very good job of understanding that hey, this is their moment. And if they do a really poor job, we're in a, we're in a society that people are going to let them know they're doing a poor job. And I'm not sure that they can afford to do a bad job at this point. Right. Especially taking over those licenses from Panini when they did. They have to do it bigger and better than ever. And so far they've done a pretty damn good job of doing it. So I'm hoping, you know, I don't know what's going to happen with hockey. I mean it seems like Upper Deck going to have that hockey contract for forever. And I know Michael Jordan just resigned with Upper Deck and I was wondering to get your thoughts on that. You find that surprising? You know the first thing. And I'll get your, your response in return. The first thing I thought Joe when I saw that, which is it's a cool, it's a cool thing. He's been with him since 91. So a long term relationship that's basically extended. And then the cool thing with them buying those 86, 87 packs, right. Having them sign 23 of them and one of them as a one on one and getting them, you know, authenticated and encased and then put redemption ins. Right. Imagine pulling one of those or if you're breaking that product, you know, the good one. Yu-Gi-Oh For someone that. How I mean that's just cool. That's a cool. He's not a big signer. People who are in the autographs know he's, he doesn't do a ton of. I don't think, I don't even know if he does any sign of it. If you catch him at a golf course, I, I know he's, he's not necessarily rude, but he have, he will refuse to sign sometimes in person he picks his spots and so, you know, he's not a guy. That's what we would call a prevalent signer in general. So the opportunity and that's why the signatures bring what they do. I mean he's not Zebra old, he's still alive, but he's just not a prevalent sign. So the opportunity to, to pull something like that. Now the other thing, but I got off on a little rant. The one of the first things I thought, whether it's true or not, Joe and I'll get your, your take on this. I thought, well man, if Upper Deck ever wants to sell to tops, right? How do you, how do you raise your price, right? You make enhancements. It's like when you're selling your house, right? You, you add, you put on an addition, you put a new deck on, you redo the kitchen with all new appliances and granite and you make your house. Now the price tag goes up because you put some. That's one of the first things I thought of is like, I don't know if Upper Deck wants to sell to Fanatics, but man, even whether they do or they don't, I think the price tag just went up because not only would would Fanatics be buying Upper Deck and I, I don't mean this is the way it sounds, but they're sort of buying Michael Jordan too. Because I'm. That would be come with any kind of acquisition of, of Upper Deck. So I'll get your. Your thoughts. Agree, disagree or, or how do you see that? Well, that's a heck of a piece of granite getting Michael Jordan to sign and resign with you, right? I mean that's a heck of a nice piece of granite, my friends. I mean, look, here's the thing. I love the loyalty that Michael is showing with Upper Deck. He's been with them for 30 something and that's incredible. But how cool would it be for Michael Jordan to be next? Like pulling an actual Michael Jordan card next to a Steph Curry autograph or somebody else, let's say, or a Victor Wembanya in the same pack. And unfortunately a lot of people that will Never experience that on the license side. I'm not sure when his last Bulls license jersey came out. I think Card, I'm going to guess it was 2009 when Upper Deck lost their basketball contract with 09. What a lot of people don't know is 2009 was such a crazy year. Panini got the NBA contract. It was their first year making cards and the final year for Tops and Upper Deck to have the license. So it was almost like a transition year. So they have Upper Deck in 09. Steph Curry Rookie year to boot, right? James Harden rookie year. You have a couple of really good rookies with the Steph Curry. It's just unbelievable. Topps making a couple of products. Topps not making Chrome products, but including Chrome cards. And in their base product, which was Zebra interesting, which made that base product all that much more valuable because they didn't make a lot of it. And then Upper Deck saying, hey, we're not going to make a ton of our products either because it's a transition year. But hey, we're going to make a jumbo product and we're going to build hot cases. Nobody even talks about this, that they build hot cases around that product, that Upper Deck hobby product, where certain boxes, every single pack has a hit. So it's very, very interesting to see the evolution and how it goes. I still get excited ripping open those old boxes and finding those treasures that are in there, because, my God, there's still some really big treasures out there. We pulled a Michael Jordan autograph about four weeks ago out of 04 SPX. And my God, on card with dual patches. And I literally froze the show for like 15, 20 minutes. Like, I just Goldin It was my first time hitting a Michael Jordan autograph online. It was just. It was messed around. Yu-Gi-Oh cool stuff. It's gonna be interesting the next few years, right, Joe? About, like, transactions in the hobby, you know, what up? What happens with Upper Deck? If you ask them, they'll tell you, like, we're not even gonna answer the question because we're not really for sale. That's stuff they have to say as. As you know, in the corporate world. But you, you know, you never know what could be. What could be next. And again, you know, I'm not gonna lie. Like you said it would be nice to see a Jordan card come out with a wimy behind it. Right. Which you one-of-one get now with. With Goodwin Champion and that sort. So we'll see what the future. But you can get a numbered Fleer pack out of 23. Yu-Gi-Oh And that's really cool. And I gotta tell. And him signing the actual pack, I mean, that puts you in a dilemma. Then what do you do? Would you have, would you try opening it? I mean, it's an expensive pack, but the autograph itself is. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm, I'm, I only can speak for myself, Joe. I'm, I'm probably keeping that the way it is. And you know, just, I, I guess I said I wouldn't be greedy, right? It's lucky I pulled the redemption in the first place. And I'll just, I'll enjoy the, the sealed pack and you know, the, the Jordan auto. And if I want a Jordan rookie that bad, I'll just have to, you know, buck up and save or whatever you have to do to purchase one. Sell another car that I own and, and get that so, and keep that signed pack. I just, when you think about, you know, we talk about numbers and there's only gonna be 23 of them right from that, from that product. So I'm, I'm keeping that clothes now eventually, would I sell it? Like I, I, you never say never, but, you know, probably not right away. I'm definitely going to enjoy that. And you know, whether, whether I leave it to my son or not, I'm, I'm obviously talking in hypotheticals that I probably never have to worry about. But you know, it'd be a nice problem to decide what to do with that should you, should you pull, you know, pull that redemption or have it pulled for you. So time for a quick break, but we'll be right back. Hobby Hotline is the hobby's only live interactive call in show. Join some of your favorite hobby personalities every Saturday, 11:00am Eastern, 8:00am Pacific, to discuss the hottest hobby topics. If you miss us live, catch us after the fact on all major podcast platforms. Follow us on socials at hobbyhotline. Thanks for sticking with us. Let's return to the show. Speaking of pulling, you mentioned a couple. Let's talk about you and your Whatnot channel. Just what you do. I know you do these 24 hour live streams. I get tired just saying that. But just talk, just, just talk about everything you do there and sort of, you know, where your channels started and where it is and. Yu-Gi-Oh sure. So right now we stream live on Whatnot and my Friday night show lasts 36 hours straight with no breaks last Friday night and it goes into Sunday morning. And it really was just to cut to the chase, more people demanded the show go longer. So when this show started. It started literally one man operation. Actually a two man operation, me and my son. And then a one man operation because he Goldin stay up that long with me anymore. He used to fall asleep and the show would end when my battery would die. And it went to all these crazy locations in My House till we finally dedicated a room for it to, for us to, you know, to build the channel up. And slowly but surely, you know, we saw our viewership rise and you know, I mean just is absolutely, absolutely blessed. I mean God really did bless us, just the best community and we had this meteoric rise and now where when we first got started, we have a couple of people in the room now we don't have thousands of people in the room in the first few seconds, you know, there's something wrong. So we've been incredibly blessed for that. And now we love searching for the hardest and the biggest treasures in the hobby. That's what we do. I go live Tuesday nights into Wednesday and Friday nights that go all the way into Sunday. So no matter where you are internationally, domestically, you're working nights, you work mornings, you're working graveyard shifts. You're always going to have an opportunity to turn us on and to go for some of the, you know, just the most recognizable names. Whether it's hunting for Kobe autos or Michael Jordan autos or Tom Brady, it'll all be found on my Whatnot show. Simply just look, download Whatnot and simply look Joe Hollywood. That's it, Joe Hollywood. And I have a second channel called Joe Hollywood show which is my staff and my breakers and they all go on there. They all have their separate shows. But when I go live, it's always me. I never have anybody else fill for my show. So when you see Joe Hollywood, that means I'm going live. And we are on the precipice of crossing over half a million followers, which is one of the top accounts on Whatnot. There's not a single account right now that has a million followers. So we are the most followed account in sports and we're very proud about that. And there's not another sports seller that has more followers than us. And we are the most viewed show on, on Whatnot. And when it comes to sport, I'm really excited about that. It certainly has been just been an Absolute blessing and looking forward to how we can continue to build and see where it goes from here. But it never gets dull. It seems to me even in my 40s, it gets more and more exciting each and every single day. And you Know, I'm just, I just wake up happy all the time because I do what I love. Yu-Gi-Oh it's. And congrats and kudos there. What do you attest the success from? Like, if someone asks you, I am asking you, like, how did that happen? Or what is the. Like, I don't think there's one reason, but like, you know, obviously you're, you're, you know, like you said, you're blessed. But what do you think, what do you think it is if you have to point to only one thing or a couple things are for me to point to the one thing right. I had to get my faith right. I had to prioritize God, I had to make sure that my family was, you know, getting the love that they deserve for me as well. But, you know, the one thing that I can tell you that once you get those things down, one of the things that I can tell you that we do that I think gets a lot of attention is that we just work hard and you have to work harder than everybody else. And I think that that's a lost art. I think people have. I think, I don't think it's everybody, but I think that right now and where we live and just how it is, I just kind of think like that there's this. There's this premonition that people are expect. Expectant of success and that Fleer is, is not an option for anything. Whether how much you give to something or you don't give to something, people just expect they're going to succeed. It's not the way it works. You have to work really hard to successful. And we put countless amounts of hours, just the two shows alone that we do. I mean, I'm going live, you know what, 60 hours, 65 hours. That's just streaming time. We're not taking into account, you know, our employees and taking account in getting products and procuring these products and then being able to, you know, pricing those out and getting the right cards for people and, and then putting on a show that's entertaining and exciting. I mean, we don't just put the cards on the table and say, hey, they're going to sell themselves. Like, that's a, that's a really good way to fail. We believe is that it's got to be fun, it's got to be exciting, it's got to be engaging and we want to do the best job that we can. You know, we make mistakes all the time. I think if I had to pinpoint one thing out of everything is that people should expect to fail and be expectant of getting themselves back up and trying versus failing and saying that they Goldin do it or being afraid to fail and never try. That's the biggest problem. I think that if you are somebody that loves something, sports cards, it could be anything. Go into it knowing that, yes, you're going to fail at some, at some point or another, something's not going to go your way. And guess what? That's okay. That is actually a cornerstone of success. The more times you fail, the more likely you are to succeed. We've kind of lost that mentality and I hate to say that, but we really have. And I really believe that maybe we can start thinking about that as more people decide that they want to get into the hobby, that they'd like to be successful in the hobby. Just keep that in mind. You know, it's going to be a lot of hard work in the beginning. It's going to be a tremendous amount of hard work. You just have to outwork everybody and make sure that you know that you're going to fail more often than not. Don't let that get the. Keep your head up. That's well said, Joe. And I agree with that sentiment. Right. There's nobody. I don't care who you are. Even the most successful person in the world. Right. They're not batting a thousand. No one bats a thousand. It's never been that way. It's never really going to happen. I don't care who you are. Right. And it's a great point. If you kind of go in with that mentality, like there's going to be down points, there's going to be high points, low points or whatever. I'm going to just continue to work hard and if I get knocked down, I'm going to brush myself off and get back up and it might happen again and I'll just keep getting up and be harder to knock down. The more times I get up, the knockdowns are going to get fewer as I learn things along the way. So it's a, it's a great, it's a great mindset. I think it's very true and I think sort of if you can get into that mindset, you'll. You'll probably be. Have a better chance at being successful than. Than not. So I, I concur with that as well. All right, the episode 400 giveaway is unbelievable. Unbelievable. So please DM us at any of our social medias. Private message, DM us the contest word or email us at sportscard nation PC gmail.com that's sportscard nation PC gmail dot com and you will be entered to one-of-one the incredible Prizm pact we put together for this episode. So again, the word contest. Word. Unbelievable. Please submit that to us privately via pm, DM or email. And good luck. So I got, I don't ask this to every guest on, on every episode, but you know, you, you got your finger on the pulse of the hobby. If is there a hobby pet peeve? In other words, if you could change one thing, whether it be add something to the hobby or take something out of the hobby that you don't like or it bothers you like, what would you change if you, if you had the power to change one thing? If I have the power to change one thing. It's not that it's a pet peeve. I would like more people to have accessibility to bigger shows across not only the United States, but across the collective. You know, if you're not available for the national that one week or you don't have the means of getting to. I mean it's, I mean I know it's not always in Chicago, but it feels like it's always in Chicago. Right. It was last year is there this year, it's here next year. Right. It's perennially in Chicago. Right. But. And they do a great job and they do agree. But I will say, like as a kid that grew up that had very meager mean I could never afford to the, to the national. Right. I, I was regulated to the sports shows that were held in a. And you know, the church basement basis to all those shows. Right. And so I'm a veteran of those too. But go ahead. Yu-Gi-Oh Those Sunday morning sports card shows right after church. Right. Although it was 11 to 3 so the 12 to 4 sports cards and so I guess what I was trying, what I, what I would try to say is I would love for there to be and I love what Fanatics Fest is doing. I think that's great and I love that they put, they put one up in New York. They're doing. But I'd love to see one every quarter in a different sector. Like let the national be the. But you know what, let's get a traveling roadshow for sports cards to go and to be in certain places that people are going. Right. I don't think it's going to take anything away from the national. I don't think it's going to take anything away from access. But I think it's about time that the Hobby is big enough that we need more than one big show a year or two big shows to satisfy the topic. I think we're up to once a month. And you know what, and rightfully so. I mean, this is a hobby that's growing exponentially. People always complain that, you know, they don't get a chance to meet the other people. Besides, you know, the more people that you meet in the hobby, the more you're going to a lot of great people. I'm not telling you everybody's great. Not everyone is great, but most of the people. And I think that that's a good thing. More that you make it mainstream, I think the more that people are going to be attracted to it and more people we are going to attract. Yu-Gi-Oh well said. I agree. And I want, you know, you mentioned about bringing more people in the hobby, and I'm sure you agree what I'm about to say too, Joe. I want them to stay right. I'm not looking. It's not up to me one-of-one But I'm not looking for someone that, you know, stays a couple years, makes a few bucks, and then says, I'm out. I, I want the people like us who've been in for the long haul. I think that ultimately certainly shows the strength of the hobby. I think we're seeing more of that as the hobby does get stronger. So I echo that. I'd like to see the hobby grow, but with, with people who are, who want to be here for the long haul. There's nothing wrong with making money, but it can't just be that, right? If that's all it is, then chances are someone will leave sooner than. Than later. But if it's more than that, whether it's the nostalgia or just the enjoyment or just being a sports fan and connect and bridging those two worlds and they're in it for the long haul. That's kind of where, you know what? I want to agree with that. You got to be in it for the long haul. You got to have some kind of passion for it. It can't just be. It can't just be for the money. You got to be passionate about what you do. But I think that conveyed. I think that the people that are in it just for the money, I think that people see that. I think that that's pretty transparent. I think that the people that are passionate about this are always the people that are going, yep. No, no doubt. Well, Joe, you're a busy guy. I, I don't know when you sleep doing all those long Live streams. But I appreciate you making some time for us here on Sports Carnation. We'll have to do it again. I look forward to meeting you here at the National. I always give the guests sort of find a word, give out like your Whatnot stuff one-of-one anything you want to share to, to direct people where to check out what you're doing. Take your time and let people. Well, it was great to be here, John. I really had a blast. I hope that we can do this again. That was, I think we just scratched the surface about what you and I can talk about and speak about when it comes to cards. But if you'd like to, we, I was going to say we could do a sports show too at that point, but Yu-Gi-Oh we probably could. Absolutely we could. And just, just the New York stories alone could probably, could probably fill a year's worth of the time. But if you'd like to find me and find my community, which happens to be the most generous community, engaging community in all sports, come find me on Whatnot. Come look up, just download the Whatnot app and type in Joe Hollywood and I'll come right up. And if you want to find me on Instagram, which we are on Instagram, type in the real Joe Hollywood. Pretty simple. The real Joe Hollywood on Instagram. We are. I do have a page on Facebook on the Joe Hollywood, but real Joe Hollywood on Instagram, Joe Hollywood on Whatnot. Look forward to seeing all of you there and being a part of the community and getting involved with some of the biggest iconic chases. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, even soccer. You know, we're making it accessible for every passionate sports fan, even wwe. And that's something really exciting. We'll be at Fanatics Fest. We will be at the national and then the weekend of the national, last weekend of the national, SummerSlam is happening and believe it or not, we'll be up there as well. So we're going to be multitasking. We're going to be doing a lot of things and we're excited about it and we're looking to, you know, bridge that gap between people that are looking for accessibility to their favorite stars and athletes and connecting them with outstyles. Well, Joe, you're a busy guy. I don't have to, you know that. I know that. Most people probably know that. I appreciate you squeezing us in, making some time and real, like you said, really enjoyed chopping up some, some New York City stuff. The hobby sports we probably could have, we could go a lot longer but you know, again, you're busy so I. We appreciate it. See you here very shortly. I'll see you soon. 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