Is Set Collecting Dying? + He Chased Zion... Then Found T206 + Surviving a Full Hobby Cycle

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Michael Jordan Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now Jeremy Lee in the building and every guess that you ever needed Sports cards after hours keep the hobby heated Updates homie talk like you never seen it Sports cards live and I could ever beat it Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now. Welcome to another episode of Sports Cards Live with your host, Jeremy Lee. Okay, I'm gonna go to a few comments from the chat now, guys, and I'm gonna start with this one from Daniel Brown. Off topic, but I'm going to address his Jeremy, I don't know if you caught Professor Sports Cards on Tuesday. I did not, but I watched Ziggy no attempt to assassinate Chris Hoja's character. It was a sneak attack. I hope you watch and consider a ban here. Dan Brown I I will tell you that I am well aware of of of of of Ziggy's thoughts about Chris and the about Chris and and I'm not going to concern myself about what goes on too much on other channels, but Ziggy and other people know that if you're in this chat or watching this show that you got to respect the guests or you will be banned. I'm not going to ban for what somebody does elsewhere. And, and so that's it. That's all I'll say about that. And Chris is well aware of my position on that as well. Tim says, remember when these bums said PSA9 is the same as a raw card? People say things all the time, Tim, that are their opinions and like, who cares, man? You know, like, like the pro. One of the problems is that the, this, the, the flipper culture. And I don't mean flipper in a bad way. I'm talking about a lot of the new people in the hobby who are in it just to make a buck. That is a rule that they have in order for them to make money, and it makes sense for them. And so if it works for them, that's fine. As a collector, I don't care what anyone says about a card's value or not. So I hear what you're saying, Tim, and it can be frustrating, I guess, but. But who cares? Bob Boozle says, thanks to Jeremy for agreeing with me. Wish my wife agreed with me. The collection firm said. Evan Mathis also told me that TAG was the only new grader that was scalable, which I thought was interesting. Well, that's because of the machine grading aspect. The, the, the, the, the quote, unquote AI that that TAG uses in their grading process. But every card is verified by human over there, and that's a big bottleneck because that does take time. So it's a, it's a tough situation, I suppose, but they are scaling and building and growing, and so they're doing just fine. Card Fuchsia says any new grading firm almost has to be AI. There is no workforce. Yeah, maybe tough to say, oh, oh, you know, when it comes to who's doing the grading and what kind of companies, and whether it's robots or humans or wizards, as Ziggy likes to say, just. I think the simple answer for us collectors and investors is look at the card for yourself. Decide if you like, if the grade makes sense to you. Use. Use the. We should be using the shortfalls of grading to our advantage. If you want, I think you can do that. You can short. You can, you can use grading shortfalls to your advantage in your collection. That's what I've been doing. At least I think I'm doing it. If I'm wrong, I don't really care. I'm in. I'm loving the journey, so. And by shortfalls, I mean buying under. They, they undergrade, they over grade, they misgrade, they, they, they make mistakes all the time and a lot of them are unknown mistakes that are just never brought to trial. Right, Josh? They're not brought to trial. So what that means is we have these mini side cases going on. A guy like me comes along, looks at the graded card and says, oh, they graded this a 6 or they let me use this. They graded that a three. Looks like a five to me. That's the mini. That's a side deal. That's a side trial. Guanaba. My verdict, that card looks like a five. It's in a three. Seller's gonna charge me three prices. I'm gonna get that, I'm gonna get a good deal on that card. And that's how I'm using the deficiencies in grading to my advantage. So just my thoughts on that. Robert, anything else from you on the, on the topic? I mean, there's a lot, man. You open up a bit of a can of worms. All good, of course, but there's, there was more on that bone, I think, than we might have bargained for. Always great to have some thought provoking discussion on it. So. Absolutely. Josh or Joe, did either of you come with anything on your minds tonight that you wanted to, to talk about? Josh is giving me the old, the old head shake. The old head shake with the, with, with the side eye. I, I see. Joe, how about you? I mean, you just got back from your Hawaiian vacation. Did I know when we were talking to David on, on the, the hangover, he, he was still buying cards on, on vacation. While you were in Hawaii doing your surfing, enjoying the sights and the sounds, were you, how much attention were you paying to buying cards on platforms and also to hobby content? I'd say pretty much steady as she blows kind of thing. Like, I didn't buy very much just because, you know, I kind of went during the work week and I did load up a little bit for the Fanatic Sunday auction. Looked at some stuff, but I'm kind of saving my pennies right now for the national, you know, even looking to sell a couple cards just to generate some capital. Josh doesn't know yet, but he's going to be helping me get into one of his big Jordan buyback cards and I'm very appreciative of that in advance. So Josh, just bring the one you're ready to part with and we'll work something out. No problem. Downtown Kaboomi. I'm in. I won't have that for you but I'll, I'll talk to you. We'll talk offline. No, and, and then just yeah, straight ahead with the copy content. Always fun to listen you know in the evening and just kind of toward you know it's like good bedtime stories with Dylan, Double D and all the clubhouse boys and yours truly, Mr. Lee. Love it man. Can't wait. Okay, well appreciate I'm going to do two more comments. I want to get to the Collection firm says Alpha Investments is starting a grading company in Orlando, Florida and he has spent millions on infrastructure already. Listen, I personally think that with the right capital and time to train that a human grading company could come in from scratch and do some damage. Again, the right amount of capital, the right type of marketing and, and even the right graders and standard makers to kick it off because the, the big auction houses are not going to bring on any grading. They're not going to allow any new grading company to any new cards any card in any old grading company slab to be sold on their platform. So you would need a special reason for a golden or an REA or even a fanatics collect to be willing to take on a new grading company and for that to happen I think it would come down to the personnel. So I'm. I'm sorry, I'm not even sure who Alpha Investments is. Maybe I know and it's just escape collection firm is that I don't know who that is so I don't know if you can can share with us or what but, but again I think that, I think there's room for that and, and I will put it out there right now if anyone has, you know, a quarter billion dollars to a billion dollars, they're looking to start up a grading company. I will offer myself to be a part of the standards writing. Not I listen I know I'm kind of volunteering something that's like who cares what you think but if anyone cares what I think I would love to be a part of writing the standards and the training for how to properly grade cards. Not properly, just a different way I suppose. Collection firm says it's a huge TCG wholesaler. Okay so people are listen, PSA closes down their two biggest submission levels. I'm guessing bulk and value. That is opportunity for other companies. It's just, it's an opportunity to service that lower end. So Tim here says this is the same I want to, I want to come back to this comment one more time. He says one of the dumbest takes of all time is, is, is PSA 9 is the same as raw. I, I agree with Tim. I agree and here's why I agree with that comment. Tim, I don't know if this is what you're getting at or not, but this is what I'm going to get at with that comment. Want to get Robert Joe's and Josh's thoughts on this? So, so here, hear me out. I think it's pretty obvious, but maybe I'm wrong. My take on that comment is that you go to a show and the card is sitting Ron, in a, in a vendor's showcase and, and you're, and the card in the PSA 10 is 800 bucks. Let's say that's the, there's five comps this week. They're all around $800. Looks like it's a PSA 10 and very well might be a PSA 10. However, it's raw. It's not graded. It's raw. Vendor says, well, it's, it's, it's integrated 10. Look at it. I want 800 bucks for it. Okay, Vendor, but it's not you. Your card is not in a PSA holder. That is just, it's a different unit of inventory than if it was. It's, it's, it's like apples to oranges, unfortunately. But that's the case in, in the hobby right now. Your card that is not graded, no matter how high you think it would grade out, it's not a PSA. It might be mint, but it's not PSA 9. It might. Right. It might carry that condition descriptor fairly, but until it's in that slab, it's just not the same unit of inventory. So that's why I agree with Tim on this comment that it's that, you know, saying a PSA 9 is the same as a raw card. I would say no, PSA 9 is better than a raw card. The other, the other sort of issue with that is that, you know, you're throwing darts. Your card might be gem in, but PSA that they might give it a 9, might give it an 8.5 or I might give it a 10. So even if it is, by their standards, whatever you, you, you're purporting it to be, until it's in that holder, it just isn't. It just isn't. Again, it's a different unit of inventory altogether. So my thoughts on that. But thanks for, for the other comment there, Tim. Anyone? Robert? Joe? Josh, do any of you have any thoughts on that? The only one off mute is Robert, so I'm going to go to you first. Robert, what are your thoughts on what I just said? It's definitely not a 10. It should be less than a 9. But yeah, at the, the, the hobby seems to be pricing raw like nines on, on Modern, ultra modern. And it's probably the, the take that perhaps you get the uplift on a 10 and that's why it's getting the 9 pricing. Joe, what do you think? I'm always going to take the PSA nine. I don't know. I, I agree with everything you guys said, but I, you know, am I in my realm, the hitting, the hitting the 10 all the time, the energy. So I'd, I'd prefer a PSA9 in hand than the potential of, of a raw card. Sorry, Robert, you're good. Yeah, I would agree with Joe on that. Josh, any thoughts? Where did this comment come from? The nines are, I don't understand what he's saying. Like. Well, he's basically saying that out there in, in, in the, in the hot, in the hobby wilderness, people are basically saying that if a raw card sells for a hundred dollars, a PSA9 is basically the same thing. A hundred dollars. No way. No way. Who says that? That's ridiculous. Okay, there you go. Tim. Yeah. Jim Sholey here says Jay Lee. Exactly. It's like comparing certified Toyota against uncertified Toyota. Signed Jay Sholey. Appreciate that, Jay. Yeah, I mean, but it's, it's. Bobby Light here says, how can we get PSA 9s to have value? Oh, you guys are gonna love this answer. I have for that. Manipulate the market. That's how you do it. You, you, you get into the market manipulation game. You want PSA9s to have value, you got to pump them up. That's how. Because the, the question as presented here, it's kind of like how do we, how do we get twos to have value? How do we get three stuff? They have value, you guys. Bobby Light. PSA nines have value. They do. It's just not as much as a 10, but it's more than an 8. So do you want it to be closer to 10 than it is? If you do, you got to pay more. I must. I obviously I say manipulate the market. You guys know I'm kidding. Obviously don't do that. But pay more for them. That's how you do it. How do you get people to pay more? I don't know. I don't know. The tens have to go even higher in price for nines to come up with them. Josh, first of all, I want to repeat what Upstate said. Buy the card. Not the grade. Who cares what the number is on. On a piece of plastic? But to get a nine to have value, lots of nines have value. There's a lot of eights have value. So I guess I don't understand the question. I guess I would say from the beginning, like, what does he mean, nines have value? They do. There were something. I understand the point. Yeah. Yeah. I. I think. I think it's. It's. It's a. Yeah, it's a. It's a. It's a comment that I've seen several times out there in hobby content. Mostly it's on. Mostly it's like story posts on Instagram type of thing where, you know, there's a. There's like, not. There's a hashtag. Nines are fine. Like, everyone want it. Really. Joshua. Guys, it really comes from the. The fact that everybody wants tens. Everyone wants. It's tens or. Or nothing. Right? But I think there's value in nines, especially when the nines are the same as the tens anyway. So my hashtag is sevens are heaven. So, you know, I'm fine with sevens. Eights are great. There you go. Yeah, I know. I'm with. I agree. I agree with all this, like. And I agree with. With Upstate. Yeah. Buy the card. Not. The. The problem is, is that so much of hobby narrative is driven by. By the. The flipper, the repacker, the card show content where I pay 80 on cards, I pay 90 of what? Like, it's the comp economy, which is, you know, it's not how I hobby, it's not how I bend, but it's dominating hobby culture right now, and that's where it comes from. Josh, it's not your. This is not your circle of influence, Josh. This is not within. No, it's not, but it's. It's. Yeah, but it's out there. So. Yeah. Joe, are you wanted to jump in? No. No. Okay. Yep. Yep. Well, a couple comments on this part. Jesse. Double O's card Guy says the PSA 10 premium is not new. 20 years ago, I was buying BGS 9.5s at a fraction of the price. Upstate says flippers do not want to learn about cards. They are lazy and only care about the number on the screen and the slab. Absolutely agree with that. That's. That's. That's a whole different. It's not. That's. That's not even our hobby. That, that's the, that's the hobby economy, and it's only the hobby ultra modern economy for the most part. Right. Vintage is treated a bit differently even at the, at the vintage flipper level. It just, it just moves a little because even vintage flippers know that there's a range of condition at all, at all grade points for vintage. For modern, they're so similar because they're just made so much better. And, and they, they don't have to survive a lifetime. All they have to survive is going from pack to sleeve pack to top loader, pack to slab. Jim Sholey says, jeremy, why don't you start a J. Lee silver or gold or platinum sticker grading service? I'm tempted to, Jim. I am tempted to. All right. Yeah, we did that one already. Sports card Flipper University should add this discussion to this curriculum, says Bob Boozle. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. But, but as Tim here says, by the grade. By the grade, not the card. He's saying. I think he's kidding there. I. I hope you're kidding, Tim. But hey, collect even if you're not. Collect how you like. Like, I don't, I don't really care how, how, how. I'm interested, but great. How you collect how you want. Guy upstate it's the industry. The industry. The, the hobby is so much more than the hobby, you know? Yeah. We haven't seen foul ball tonight, but foul ball often says, even to me, he'll say, it's not a hobby to you. To which I say, well, it is a hobby to me, but it's not only a hobby to me. It's also an industry. It's also a business. It's also a passion. It's my lifestyle. It's more than just a hobby to me. It's everything. And it can be more, more than one thing to, to a bunch of us. Yeah, you're. Of course. Of course you're kidding. Yeah. So. Okay, lots there. Oh, what's this card? Fuchsia says modern is manipulated by industry. Vintage is manipulated by peers. Fair comment. I think. I mean, manipulated is a, Is a strong word, but manipulation. Manipulated isn't always a bad word. You know, like, like when I, when I'm putting the dishes in the dishwasher, I'm manipulating the placement to maximize the space. Is that bad? Is that, is that a negative connotation? I'm manipulating the real estate in my dishwasher? I don't think so, but I think I think I know where we're going there, so. All right guys, do we have any more topics or is this going to be the first non four hour episode of Sports Cards Live in like five or six weeks? Because we've been going four hours without problem. We have no Chris Hoage tonight, by the way. He is doing fourth of July so maybe that'll shorten it a little bit. But does anybody else have a topic? Does the chat have a Rob Rothenberg? Do you have another topic? You want to, you want to. When did you start collecting Rob? We never did your origin story. Give us a quick synopsis of your hobby history. Right. It won't take too long. So I, I have a 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 and the. I collected as a kid when I was 7, 8 years old for a couple of years. Got back in during the junk wax era for three years, 89 to 91ish. But I got back in in 2020 after my son got some Pokemon cards for a, a birthday present. And we went to a local card shop, the same one that I, I met you at, Jeremy, not too long ago and wanted to buy Pokemon cards just to put together a deck because we wanted to. We were actually playing the game, it wasn't for collection purposes and I got to see cards I never saw before. I got to see autos and patches and limited edition cards and it really piqued my interest and I thought to myself, you know, I, I missed, missed the era when Wayne Gretzky came into the market, missed the era when Michael Jordan got into the market. And I missed the era when LeBron got was came into the market. So I didn't want to do that that again. So I had to get into the market because Zion was going to be the next goat. So I got back in pre Covid and got a box of Prism Hobby Hobby box and ripped that open and that was the start of getting back into the hobby in 2020. And as I had mentioned, it's a full economic cycle going from boom. I don't know if we had a bust, but we definitely had a downturn and again we have a boom now. So it's been a very interesting six years back into the hobby. You did mention to me when we were chatting that you didn't want to miss out on the next goat. Can you, can you explain that mind that mindset and what you were thinking when you said and who was the goat at the time that you were thinking of? Because this is really interesting. Yeah, it was Zion Williamson, as he was going to be the next goat, he was extremely popular. I did take a look. His base PSA10s are going for about 18 bucks right now and I did get one and I got caught up of course in terms of needing to wait a year for my PSA submission on Zion to come back. And I paid 85 bucks for his Ion card to get graded. So I've experienced some of the pain of learning how to collect over the six year period. And now here we are today. What are you collecting now here in June or July 2026? So I am buying quite a bit on the T206 side and trying to buy some of the rarer backs. So have a Lennox and Hindu Brown, trying to get some Hindu Reds, drums, you know, some of the, the rarer backs. It's, it's nice to, to go after those and build a collection on that side. So that's on the vintage. There's a, a subset of 1999 FLIR, there's Shining Pulsars, it's a 15 player set and trying to get those in relatively high grade. And if you look on ebay, they're, they're very tough to find. So pops are like five or six for every one of those 15. So I figure that collection that's going to take me about 10 years to complete the, the 15 cards there. And, and those are just a couple of the, the subsets that I'm looking at. You mentioned like collecting full through a full economic cycle. Interesting sort of way to put it, I think. Can you sort of describe that a bit, a bit more kind of dive into what you're thinking as far as that economic cycle and do you feel like now that you've been through what you're calling a full economic cycle, do you feel better prepared for what may come in the hobby? As far as everything in life is cyclical. It's really interesting. Now some of the cards that I bought back in 2020, I remember they tripled in a month and you think that's normal when you get into the hobby and cards that you bought that you just barely received because it takes a while to get the card after you buy the card and you think that's normal. And of course in some cases there was a complete collapse where Ultra Modern dropped 95%. In some cases depending on the card, even 99%. So here we are and we're going through a bit of a boom. I know I had a Mickey Mantle card that I got when I got possession of it. I didn't like it. You talk about Ifeel. I wasn't happy with it, so I sold it and I netted after cost 48% after holding it for five months. So I look at that and I say that's probably not. It's great that it happened, but it's not normal. And we're starting to see the same things that transpired in, in 2020, 2021. So there's a lot of pause, a lot of thought going into putting more money into cards at these levels. It's, it's, it's, it's really tough to make a decision there. So cards are more expensive than they've ever been in many cases. And, yeah, you got to really think about where you're deploying your funds these days. Joe Perot, I appreciate everything. Thanks for sharing all that, Robert. And I actually just sold a mantle today. I think I got about a 25% bump on it over nine months, so not quite as well as yours. But I think the other thing is, like, the hobby's gotten smarter. During the 2020 bubble time, I think people were just coming in and throwing money around, and then everybody kind of had their behinds handed to them in one way or another, at least in some area, maybe not their whole portfolio. But I had similar elevator shaft moments with certain modern cards, particularly. And I think collectively we all sort of started to evaluate maybe in the vein of the Pareto effect, the Burrito effect, just people getting more consolidated into goats, people really being a little bit more attentive to, you know, rarity, scarcity, float, being cognizant of the way that market manipulation can happen, just all the stuff that, that we've learned. And so it is, it is a, it's in some ways, I think, a more lean and mean market. Like, people are stronger in their positions. And also it's a, it's a little bit harder to, to find the plays that might allow you to kind of generate capital to, you know, progress your collection forward. Well said. Well said, Joe. Lots of, lots of good little nuggets in there. Josh Adams, any thoughts to build on or tear down? No, it's. It's tough out there now, you know, it's crazy. Yeah. All right, guys. Thanks, everybody, for coming out tonight. It's a great show. All right. No, wait. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Hey, where do you guys. One. I. Not that you care. I mean, I'm, I'm a, I'm a Curry fan. You know this. But there's been talk about LeBron joining the Warriors. You know, it's kind of a big story. LeBron James leaving the Lakers. Do you have a place you'd like to see him go and. Or a place you think he will end up going? Question to the panel. I don't really care where he goes. I think he'll go to a big. He'll go to a market where he thinks he can win, probably. So where is that? I don't know where that is. The Knicks. The Knicks? No. Okay. The, the Spurs? The Pistons. The, the Warriors. I, I think the warriors make sense to. In a lot of ways. I mean, it's California. Him and Steph are both in their twilight years of their career. Kind of makes sense going there, doesn't it? And how would. But Joe, I mean, like, where do you want. Do you want to come to your, to your Golden State Warriors? I, I'm that desperate as a Warriors fan that I would take LeBron coming to us. But where do I think he'll end up? I think he'll end up either in Cleveland or Miami. Some of, yeah, some of what you've said, Jay Lee, makes sense, except for the fact that he has to think about sort of the curation of his legacy. And you can't really go to a team that just won the chip in the Knicks, and you can't really go to a team that just almost won the chip and the Spurs. So, you know, he has to be a little deliberate in what he's doing because he's, he's essentially, he is interested in, I think, winning another title, but he has to do it in such a way that he's not trolled for, you know, taking the easy way. And the warriors might be a good fit in that regard because, you know, old heads, you know, with Curry And Dre and LeBron together, I mean, I don't think they would have much a chance of a chance against the young Bucks, you know, be it the spurs, the Thunder, the Knicks, whomever. But I think that would be a great story if he did join up with Steph and they were able to. To push it to the brink. Robert or Josh, any thoughts on the topic? Okay, I'm going to go to a comment here from Troy Kohl's. He said, I think we are overthinking the grading. Is it just a piece of cardboard? If the card is rare enough, condition isn't important. See PMG greens. Josh, you're nodding. Joe, you're nodding. I mean, I think I. Robert, what do you think if, how do you feel about that one? I lost the comment now. Dang it. What do you think of that, Robert? Any. If. Go ahead. We're paying higher values for higher, for, for higher grades, right? If, if it didn't matter, we wouldn't, it wouldn't be a part of the, the whole ecosystem. Josh. I would say with the PMG analogy, I agree. Like, like, Robert, if you found a brown Hindu back and it was only a one, would you pass on it because it's only a one, or would you grab it because you won't find one for another seven years? I would, I would grab it if it's that rare. Robert, let me ask you on that note, since I, I, I, I did hear way back that you are a T206 collector. What is your favorite T206 issue, excluding the Wagner just for that might not even be what came to your mind, but let's just take the Wagner off the table and maybe the plank as well. What Is your favorite T206 issue? Are you talking about player or back or both or players? Yeah, players, fronts and backs, if you want to throw that into, I mean, obviously a big, a big back is, you know, Thai, Cobb, Hindu, whatever. But sure. So Cy Young glove shows portrait. So, so, yeah, I'll go with the portrait. I haven't thought about specifically which one of Cy Young, but I, I do have a couple of them, so. And I do have one Hindu brown and there's only two of them, so. So, so happy to have that. There's only two Hindu browns of that Cy Young card and you have one of the two. That's crazy. Why are we just now getting to this? Jaylee, this man has us. This is incredible. And we've been talking about, you know, fanatics creating company. We should be digging into his collection. Still figuring out this live stream thing, guys. Still trying to figure this thing out here. Incredible. Okay, so we talked about that topic. There's another. Okay, couple more comments that I want to talk about that can generate some conversation. First one here from Halls Collect says, hi, guys. Why do you think set collecting is not considered cool anymore? I'm 33 and love set collecting, especially 90 sets that I was not able to afford growing up. Cheers, Andy. So first of all, Andy, welcome to the chat. Welcome to the show. Listen, Andy, I'm 20 years older than you, and I spent many a decade chasing and building sets when there were, when there were not as many options out there every year for cards. Now we have, you know, back then you had One to three sets a year to collect. And that was all there was in the 80s and the 70s and even into the, into the 90s. Then we get, we have more sets available to collect. And there I remember the time where it was like where the, the master collectors threw up their hands and says, you can't collect anything anymore. That was like a, almost a moment in time when, oh, can't collect anything, everything anymore. And that's when I shifted from being a set collector to what I'll call a flight collector collecting, you know, curating my own checklist from a larger one. Instead of going for all 400 cards or 600 cards, maybe I'll pick half a dozen. The other reason that I don't collect sets anymore is because, well, there's so many cards I do want to own that I don't want to have to put my, my hobby budget into players that I don't care about. And if I have to collect a set, even a 50 card set of vintage 100 card set, I might only want five or six of those players. So why would I spend my money and my mental capacity to go buy cards of players I don't care about when there's other cards of players I do care about? So it comes down to there being so much more selection nowadays, not only in modern, but even in vintage. I know the vintage selection's always been there, but now it's easier to source because of the global economy, the Internet and all that. So I, but listen to say, why isn't it cool anymore? I wouldn't say it's not cool anymore. If, if you think it's cool, it's cool. That's the, that's the bottom line right there. If you think set collecting is cool, then it is cool and no one can take that away from you. So Josh below me loves to collect certain sets. I think it's wonderful. Is it cool? Yeah, it's cool because Josh does it. Is it. But me, I just don't want to have to pick up a card of a player because their name's on a checklist. That's why I don't do it. So what, what are your guys around the, around the panel's thoughts on? Let's start with you, Robert. Like, do you, do you think in your view is set? Not in your opinion, but are you seeing the narrative that set collecting is not cool anymore? And what do you think about it? I don't know if it's cool or not, but I, I don't see any of My peers collecting sets, it doesn't seem to be of interest. It's usually your, your higher end, Higher end names, whether it's goats or hall of Famers that they want, they don't want the, the common cards for their overall collection. That's where I fall. How about you, Joe? Yeah, I mean, I appreciate what you said, Jay Lee, that if that's your jam, then go for it. Don't let anybody else tell you how to collect if that, you know, gives you satisfaction. And I've definitely had some times where I've been interested in a set or two. But yeah, I've just, I'm, I'm kind of, I, I, I hear where he's coming from. I mean, I don't know. It, it may be, it may be financially driven. As we know, generally speaking, sets would sell at a lower price than the individual cards mass together. And it seems like a lot of people these days are, you know, trying to be thoughtful about how they deploy their hobby dollars. And so maybe they don't want to one, you know, invest money on common players and to, you know, go to the time. The time is kind of an opportunity cost in and of itself that it takes to track down, you know, especially like high number stuff. Now if you get into that, I mean, especially like some of those sets out there, like the leaf, you know, the 48 leaf set or, you know, certain, certain high numbers and the 52 tops, like, that's just, it's, it's extremely fun and exciting to try and locate those and, and, you know, create a sort of comprehensive condition way of, of, of a set like aligning together. But I just think people are a little bit over it and, but I, I agree with you. Like, don't, don't let somebody dictate the terms by which you participate in the hobby. Josh, what about you? I love set collecting. I think it's great. More people should do it. I love. Oh boy. All right, I'm out. Just kidding. I'm totally kidding. So example is 48 leaf. Since David's here, I love doing that set, but only the high numbers. You know, the, like the first run, like the Robinson, the Ruth, the, the, they're all a diamond dozen. But give me like the feller, the Kel, you know, the page any day. 35 chicle is fun. Half of that set is short printed also. So give me like a nick Nikolai from 35chickle all day. He's a common guy, you know, college player, but it's a short print. Good luck finding him the hunt is 90 of the fun for me. I love chasing it down. Well and here Jim Jim says Jeremy some of the short print high numbers to complete a set are almost impossible. Yeah that gets a lot of your guys juices flowing. For me that's another reason not to do it. Now I got to go pay extra for names I don't care about because they're impossible. Like that does not for me as a collector. Just because it's rare doesn't mean I have to have it. That that actually incentive more incentivizes me more and more and reaffirms my approach not to collect the 48 leaf set not to collect the high number tops baseball sets from all the years that they had high numbers just doesn't again not only do I want do I not want to chase these players if they're. If they're rarer because they're high numbers that just cost me even more money. I, I don't. I especially don't want to do it. I'll be happy to celebrate when my friends Josh and David complete theirs because I know both of you guys are doing that. I be very happy for both of you and I'll celebrate it and I'll. And I'll and I'll encourage you does it but doesn't have to be for me as well. It just isn't for me. So that, that, that Jim that's my sort of thoughts on that one. Thanks for tuning in and being a part of the sports cards live community. Don't forget to like subscribe and most of all keep collecting more great content to come. Sports cars is a lifestyle.