Joe Hollywood "Breaking In Big" E399

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I'm, I'm excited to be on the advisory board committee and really looking, you know, anything that can benefit the hobby. Right. I'm going to be all about that and that's what they strive to do. All right, well, now that the house cleanings done, let's talk about that. The guest for this week's show and next week's show on episode 400 and I, I didn't know this gentleman until talking to him. I had heard of him. I didn't know a lot about him and didn't know what to expect before, you know, doing, having the conversation with him for the podcast and I went in, I, you know, you always try to be open minded, but I, I will say this. After we were done, I had a newfound perspective of them. I liked him. I think he's very sincere and, and genuine. You know, it does help. He's from New York City like me. He's from Queens, where I'm from Brooklyn. But I'm talking about Joe Hollywood and made quite a name for himself in the hobby and doing very well. We're going to talk, Yu-Gi-Oh I want to talk all about that on this in next week's episode. So with that being said, and I know the intro went a little bit longer because all those announcements. But let's get the show started. If you see me at the national, be sure to track me down, tap me on the shoulder and love to meet you, shake your hand, talk a little hobby, talk a little life, whatever. Whatever the case may be. So with that being said, let's get the show rolling. All right. Real happy to chat up the next guest on the Sports Card Nation guest line. We are both New York City kids, so we have that in common. Look forward to kind of diving into a little bit of that. But he's made quite a name for himself in the hobby itself and first time on the program. Happy to have him. Without further ado, welcome Joe Hollywood. John, it's great to be here. I'm excited to, to speak on the, on the podcast and looking forward to talking about old times together. Yu-Gi-Oh so I, you know, I know we talked before I hit record and stuff. You're from Queens, I'm from Brooklyn. We bought that's New York City for, you know, we're one big happy family. You know, I, I have a, you know, I always am proud of where I'm from. I know you're probably like that too. Like I said, I'm a little bit older, but around the same time frame. Just talk about, you know, I've already spoke about it. People don't want to hear. They've heard my stories. But you know, growing up in New York, you know, during that. There's always a sports heyday in New York, but especially and know in that time period. Right. That, you know, New York was a, a lightning rod for sports and then that how that factored into your, how you got into the hobby as well. Yu-Gi-Oh So it was a lightning rod. It was always a lightning rod. Still is. Still is a lightning rod. I don't think that's ever going to change in New York. But man, oh man, it's hard to be a kid growing up in New York and not being, I mean, we live it, we breathe it by the newspaper, especially back in the 80s. And it just, it just immersed you with everything that was going on and with the, with the renaissance of sports radio back in the 80s. I remember growing up and WFAN was just getting off the ground, if you remember that, and Mike and the Mad Dog and Pete Franklin and. Yu-Gi-Oh it was pretty wild seeing how it all just kind of captured me as a kid. And that was. Right. It happened exactly as I fell in love with sports cards. Right. So about 8 years old, 7 years old, this is all becoming really exciting for me. And then 9, 10 years old is just like I just 100% committed into loving sports and watching as much as I. You know, growing up, we Goldin afford cable. I don't know about you, but we didn't have cable. So I was dependent upon WPIX, channel 11 for my Yankee. And of course that brought the scooter with it. So that made me really, really happy. I love listening to his old stories and you know, I think that even made the charm and my romance for baseball even stronger because when you used to hear all that kind of stuff, it just made your eyes open up, right? So, you know, it's just just a little bit of everything. It was really, really cool not only watching it and getting to learn it. I didn't get a have anyone teach it to me. So I kind of learned it on my own. And whether it was baseball, basketball, football, and it was, Yu-Gi-Oh it was just, just unbelievable. Growing up as a kid in New York, I don't think it's a better sport. No. And people ask me that too sometimes, Joe, like I say, I would. Even though I'm not there currently, I obviously saw a family there. I wouldn't change a thing. You know, just like you said, it's something that's in your blood. I always joke with my wife, like, if I was single, I probably still live in New York. It's only it's own. I'm, I'm, it's tongue in cheek. But like, if it wasn't for you, I. In New York. But it's, I love going there and, and you know, visiting, whether it's, you know, visiting family or going to a game or a sporting event or my son who's, who's from here, he's 26 now, he loves to go with, you know, with me so sometimes we'll, we'll take a weekend trip or Whatnot. But you know, it's, I, I always feel like it's in your blood. And everyone I talk to that's from New York sort of agrees with, with that sentiment. So when we think about like, where did the hobby start for you? Obviously, like you said, and I echo that, right? It's very hard to grow up in New York and not be a sports fan. Right. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's a huge sports town as, as most people from New York to know that. So I was a sports kid. Sounds like you were a sports kid. How did the hobby. You know, I found sort of cards by accident, Joe, real quick. Like 1979, I walked into a corner store with my grandpa. I was already a sports fan, but I didn't know they made cards. I saw Jaw Jaws cards, but I didn't know they made baseball cards until I saw them on the front counter. And then I re. I knew what they were but you know, from seeing other cards about or non sports. And then when I saw they had baseball cards, it was 1979 tops. Baseball. I asked my grandfather, you know, could I get a few packs and he let me get three packs. The first pack, like the fourth card in was Reggie and the rest is history. I was sort of hooked since then. And so here we are, you know, 47 years later for you. How did that, you know, how did the hobby start? Oh, I knew I liked it for a reason. Actually pretty similar. I walked into. We used to call them corner stores and used to be like candy stores. That's what they used to word. So I want to explain this to people because I'm not sure if everyone had the same experience. We didn't have general stores. We had these little candy stores used to walk into and used to sell cards and greeting cards and merchandise. And people used to go there, pick up their newspapers and that's where you used to go pick up your cards. It was very rare that you would have to go to a hobby store to pick up your cards. There'd be a couple of hobby stores, but. But most of the time was just a corner store. That's where they used to be delivered. And my granddad and my grandfather bought me a pack in 1985. I was eight years old and never forget it. And that's where it really just blossoms. And it started and then I remember going to the corner stores and wanting to buy more cards. And in 1987 I was fully hooked. Like, especially with Bo Jackson being a Future Stars card and that top set. I fell in love with that card. I really did. Knowing that in 1986, they didn't make those cards. They didn't have the Future stars cards in 86, and then they did it in 87. I was like, oh, my God. I thought it was the greatest thing and just totally fell in love with those cards in 87 and so on and so forth. It was just became just a. Oh, my God. It became an addiction, actually. I remember collecting those. I remember buying a pack of Fleer basketball. I remember pulling out Isaiah Thomas's rookie. So, I mean, it wasn't a bad pack, but it wasn't Michael Jordan. So I wish I would have bought more than one pack of the kid. They weren't that expensive. I remember I went to this place called Terry Sports Cards on Woodhaven Boulevard, and that's where we bought it. And I only afford one pack, and that was the pack that I bought. So it brings back some of the best of memories of me starting my collection off. It sounds like we have some pretty similar memories, and that's one of the reasons why we do this. So we can build that connection between dads and grandfathers or moms and grandmas with their kids or maybe with their nephews or their nieces and. And build that kind of connection with the hobby. Because I got to tell you something really special. There's something special about people building their PCs, finding cards in the. In the rarest of places. And the stories that you hear, it's unbelievable. Yu-Gi-Oh And it's funny, a lot of the collectors that I talk to that are. And I don't think it's just a New York City thing, but a lot of them that I talk to that are from New York City, they have the similar, you know, a parent, a grandparent, a brother, a cousin or someone that sort of introduced them to the. The hobby. And then it goes. It goes from there. And. And again, it's not a New York City thing only, but I think even maybe a little bit more just because of, you know, I don't know the area. Like you said, big sports city. And you're probably already a sports fan before you even were a card collector. That was the. The graduation, if you will. I. I read, you know, just so people know, I know the backstory with your name. You appeared in. In a Woody Allen film, and so the. You got the moniker Joe Hollywood kind of tongue in cheek. Was that something as a young as A young kid that. Did you want to do that? It just kind of happened. Was it something you were looking to do long term and it just, you know, didn't fall that way or, you know, how did that even happen? It was the craziest thing. I mean, I was in public school and they casted a handful of us just literally in the school. We had no idea what was going on. We actually thought we got in trouble. I don't know why. I mean, I think I traded half of my sandwich that day and I was like, oh my God, did I do something wrong? I remember this and then I remember going to the principal's office and they were so nice. They're like, hey, you got, you got chosen to possibly be part of a movie. And you know, we were to go home and bring this paperwork home to our parents. And I remember bringing it to my mom and she didn't understand it and it became like a whole thing. And, and you know, my mom didn't drive at the time and didn't have a, we didn't have a car that worked. And so we had, we were dependent upon someone to drive us in New York City in the, you know, middle of the night. And you know, they started filming it. You know, that's what nobody understands. Like they used to start the filming of these things really, really early in the morning. So I remember getting in the car about 4 or 4:30 in the morning and driving to Manhattan, driving to New York City. And my God, it was just one thing after another where I just started to really, over the next few days, like going there, meeting Woody Allen of the kid. And I didn't really know much about him but my family made sure I knew way too much. So they painstakingly made me watch like several of his movies. And when I got to tell you, nine years old, I didn't want to watch any of his movies. I wanted to watch sports. I want to watch, I want to watch the Yankees, John. I want to watch the Yankees. I want them. Listen, I'm not, you know, Woody Allen. We could go all sorts of directions. A great director, right? No one too much. Yu-Gi-Oh but not for a nine year old kid. He's not, he's, you know, those kind of movies he's making are not. We're going to interest me at 9 and probably not you at 9 as well. It was, it was awful. It was, it was tremendously awful. And look very talented. Incredible, incredible when it comes to movies. But listen, when you're nine years old and your family Is like, hey, you can't watch the Yankees today, even though they have a free game on WPIX. Instead, I'm going to put on this movie from 1972 and you're going to patch auto so you can learn about them. I didn't want to learn about him. I just, I didn't understand. I was just like, just let me go there and do my thing. And I don't know, they must have chose me for a reason. I don't think anything I'm going to watch in this movie is really going to help me out. But they were determined that I would get to know him and, and I could tell you nothing. None of these movies helped me for anything. It probably actually made it worse. It probably made it worse. All right, I'm telling you because I, I, because it made me actually start to hate it because they, Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, they were just so, just over the top and you got to do this and you got to. And when you talk to him, make sure you look him in the eyes and stare at his eyeballs. And no, I was, I'm, I'm 100% Italian. And you can only imagine the Italian guilt that was coming out and especially talking to my family and them all giving me advice. And I'm nine years old and they're all flooding me with this advice. Oh, my God. It was just like, it was way too much. So I don't think they realized that they did it, but it was fun. It was a great experience. I'm glad I had to do it. And then, you know, it just, it's unbelievable 40 years later, and I just started a movie on Amazon prime and an Apple TV called Signed, Sealed and Delivered with Kevin o' Leary and, and Gary V. And, you know, I'm in a majority of the movie and it's about the hobby and it was awesome. So, you know, talk about going from one experience to another. Now, the movie, the Sign, Seal and Deliver, is that, is it, is it like accurate or is it like there's a script or is it just. No, it was a two year, the two hour documentary. They came in, they came into my executive offices in my studio and, you know, they filmed and, you know, they showed you some of the, you know, behind the scenes over what goes on when it comes to the hobby and, you know, and how the show works and, you know, a little bit of the roots of how we started, but, but mainly asking opinions of where it's going. And I think it was very cool. Gave people some insight on what really goes into not only building a business, but how far the business has come from where we were. And I know that we had a chance to, you know, off air, just, you know, talk a little bit about, you know, the business, where it was to where it is now. And I is just absolutely night and day from. It's not even. I always tell the people, Joe, like, it's always been the hobby, but it's almost, it's like a different hobby. The evil of it, it's like, you know, you see the charts right where you see like the Neanderthal man and then the evolution to like modern day man. That's kind of like where the hobby has kind of went. You know, we grew up again around the same time again, I'm a little older, but, you know, when we think about breaking today even. And I've, I've said this on the show numerous times, right? If you would have told the younger version on of me that someday you'll pay to buy into what's called a break and someone will actually open the packs for you and you one-of-one be opening your own packs, I, I would have thought you're nuts. Like, I even went with my friends, right? They're like, hey, I opened mine. Let me open one of yours too. And I'm like, no, you open yours too quick. I'm opening my own. Don't touch it. You know, and we, you go from that sort of, you know, mindset to like, you know, and everyone knows, explain it. But if you would have told the younger version of me, then that, that would be a thing. I would have thought you're nuts. And it's a, it's a huge thing, as we both know. So it's a different hobby. There's a reason for it. And look, it's the same thing that was, you know, from when it started that it brings people together. And so the reason it's so, it's so prevalent and that people enjoy to do it is that they're not doing it by themselves, they're doing it with other people. And that is the reason where you make the sacrifices. Okay, I'm not opening this by myself. I'm opening this with a group of other people and you get a chance to share the joy of getting that big hit or opening up something that is very unique. I mean, we just did that in my show and on Friday night, Saturday, early Saturday morning, we were opening up the under wraps products by Fanatics. And let me tell you, they make an incredible product. I'm not sure, if you had a chance to open it. So we're opening up their brand new baseball jersey and lo and behold, we open up a 1 out of 5. Shohei Ohtani. There was a special collaboration with Nike and, and oh my God. We ended up finding out that Jersey was worth $50,000 and the person paid less than $500 for the deal. It's just, it's just simply unbelievable. So when you get a chance to have those kind of moments and then he's celebrating with 3,000 people in my room that are watching concurrently, it just, it just brings like a different kind of excitement. And I think that's, that's the difference. I think that people, there's a trade off that. Yu-Gi-Oh I like to open up my own packs too, if I'm in that kind of mood. But I love going to a room and maybe gifting a, gifting a card or a box of cards to people because that's how I know that the hobby grows and, and we need more, more people in this hobby. But the more people that we get in, the further that this is going to grow and the more people that are going to enjoy it and pass it around to their kids and talk about how exciting it is. And without that, we've seen what that looks like. Nobody wants to talk about that. Someone's at my door. I've got to get that. Be right back. 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Moto Casino, the social casino. Prohibited purchase necessary. Visit Moto Us for more details. Download the Moto Casino app today. Must be 21 plus Moto Casino America, Social Casino, Sports Card nation has returned before COVID and you go back 10, 20 years. Hobby, I don't want to say was dead, but it definitely wasn't like it is now. I mean, it was kind of a lonely world. And now take a look at the evolution of it, where people are treating these cards as works of art, which they should, but of so many one of ones and so many unique items that are out there. And with the hobby growing as much as it is, it's still the fraction of where I think I like to see the evolution of it. And I'm an old school guy too, so I'm not great tech person. So it's not that I'm a Generation X guy. So I was born in the 70s, so it's, it's still, I'm still getting used to the tech, but man, oh man, it seems really exciting work. Yu-Gi-Oh Just to piggyback off something you said there, Joe, I Also born in 72, I'm not shy about, you know, what am I going to do, right? Like my dad says, there's only one way to stop getting old. And he's not a fan of it right now. So, you know, boy. But I, I too obviously was around before cell phones and Internet. And I'm sort of glad, like, I like all that stuff now, don't get me wrong, but I'm sort of glad I knew a time before where a kid in today or a younger person today doesn't remember it, not having it. Right. It was always there from their existence. So I sort of appreciate it, I think more because I know, you know, what times were like when we didn't have it. And I also appreciate those times. Right. How do we know where our friends were? Right. All the bikes in front of the stoop or, or, you know, there was no cell phone to say like, hey, where you at? You know, via text or call. So it was just the old school way of like looking for a bike or just communicate, hey, we're going to so and so's house after school. We're gonna do this or this or, or Whatnot. You know, I read in your bio, it didn't go into specifics, but it says like you were, you were hustling on the streets with your cards in New York. Kind of talk a little bit about those times and what you were, what you were doing then. Yu-Gi-Oh So it's interesting. I was actually buying. So what would happen is I went to school in New York City, I went to college and I Would leave my classes and go on 23rd Street. And you'll probably figure out what college I went to, because they were right off the Lex and 23rd. And I would go onto 23rd street, and people used to sell cards on the corner. And I remember going there and paying a nickel a card and just spending hours upon hours literally thumbing through monster boxes of cards that. I mean, I still have a lot of them today that I just. That I never got a chance to sell or I didn't want to sell. And it just brings back really fond memories. It just of just like taking a look at some of these cards and saying, Yu-Gi-Oh you know what? I spent hours looking at 1980 Rod Carews, right, That I have. That I have in my collection. I was buying a nickel or a diamond piece, and I just knew for some reason that that was something that I should be collecting that I thought would gain some value. And whether it was the old Tom Seaver cards or the Nolan Ryan cards that I was collecting, or my favorite player was Ricky Henderson. And I loved Ricky Henderson. You know, my biggest regret, and I never had a chance to meet Ricky in person because I grew up loving baseball, because a lot of people you can love. And there was just something about Ricky Henderson. I love the fact that he would steal bases. I love that he was a little bit of a cocky leadoff hitter. In my opinion, the best leadoff hitter of all time, obviously. And. And just the things that he. That he did, the snatch catch, I mean, it was just everything that he did. And that really. I really love that. And the bittersweet part about this is never had a chance to meet him in person. The worst part about. On my show, and I never opened up the product before the night that the rumors were circulating that he passed away was the same night that I actually had a box of 1980 tops, BBC Certified. I said, hey, guys, you know, we're going to try to hit this Ricky Anderson rookie tonight. He was my. I hate using the word idol, but he was really the person that I really loved growing up. And then they said that he passed away, and I just Goldin believe it. I'm like, that guy can't die. It's Ricky Anderson. And so that's my biggest regret that I had. I never had a chance to meet him as far as sports are concerned. But, my God, I mean, that guy just. I mean, just made it so passionate. I know a lot of people in New York were passionate about Don Mattingly, and he was great. He was the hitman Right. And people were passionate about Dwight Gooden and Daryl Strawberry. I mean those guys were, you know, men, men amongst boys. Right? But Ricky Anderson, to name is, Yu-Gi-Oh like you said, the greatest leadoff hitter. A guy could steal a base and hit a home run. Those don't always go together that often and just fun to watch, right? Just an exciting guy to watch because whenever he got on base, regardless of how it was a walk, hit by pitch, a single, whatever, it was like no base was safe. Like, you know, you rarely see guys steal third anymore. That was like no big deal to him. And I don't know what his, his percentages, his third base stolen bridges are, but I venture without even knowing, it's probably a safe guess. He probably is the leader in that and the third base, if anyone. I, I played baseball so it's not, not that I was a base stealer, I was more of a long ball guy. But that's a hard base to steal. No matter how fast you are, no how you are, just because it's a, just an easier throw and a little bit shorter and so, but he would do it like it was no big deal. And again that stuff manufacturers run. So if you're a fan of that team, you know, he gets on base, you know, things are going to get pretty interesting. But again, he had for average, he had 300 numerous times, just all around, you know, defensively, obviously with a speedy, you know, he could track it down. So there was really no, you know, I know people bag at him with some of the quotes and stuff, but he was not a dumb guy either. Like, you're not, you, you're not that good of a, a great of a player without being a smart, a smart guy. So, you know, I wasn't necessarily a Ricky guy per se, but I one-of-one argue that he wasn't fun to watch and, and interesting anytime he was gonna say, say something, right. And very like you said, confident, right. But he, you know, there's a difference between, you know, cocky and confident. Right? Confident people back it up. Right. Anyone can be cocky. But he, he, the proof was in the pudding with him. And again, I was shocked too when, when the news came across my phone and it had to read it twice. Joe, you know, like, is this true? Like, and I had seen him not in person. Like I, he was, he did an ebay event at the National. I think it was like four months or whatever it was. And he looked great. You know, I stood there and watched him and he looked great. And so when I, when I read that he had passed away. I was kind of like, kind of caught me off guard, like, what happened? You know, I've seen him four or five months ago. You know, he looked fine, but you just never know. And obviously a sad day. I think he was 69. But that's young, you know, in, in today's day and age. And you know, it was a sad day for, for baseball in general and every in life. You know, reading that he was gone. I agree. I mean, but you know what? The, the best part is that you, you remember those memories. You remember the, you know, whoever it might be, maybe it's him or somebody else. And then you say to yourself, you know what? Now it's time for me to find a new favorite player. And so that's what I did now. So now I got Jalen Brunson and Jalen Brunson's my guy. And let me tell you, I Beckett a real good guy to like because, man, after the 53 years we have a championship here in New York and my guy, I am so excited. I was elated about it. My son was excited. My son was just as excited as me and he's 14 years old and oh my God. And he was like breaking down in excitement. It was this. It was just a very special moment of Yu-Gi-Oh I mean look at where we were to where we are now and all the moves that we made. And that was a tough team. Like, look, I know we beat them in five games, but when Minyama, that guy is gonna look, that guy is gonna one-of-one multiple. He's gonna go down in probably one of the best of all time when that guy is doing what he's already shown that he can do in a couple of years. I mean, I'm only afraid to see what that guy's gonna do. Three, five year. It's probably going to be astronomical. But Yu-Gi-Oh it feels good for one of the first times ever. It feels real good to be a Knicks fan right now. I'm sure that you must have celebrated. I'm assuming you're a Knicks fan as well. So I'm going to be very honest. I like the Knicks. I'm probably not as big as fan of you. Basketball ranks sort of fourth on my major sport. Like it goes football, baseball, 1 1A then, then hockey. Believe it or not, I'm on the New York race. I Beckett up my teams this year didn't are are not faring well. Mets, Rangers, Steelers, major. I'm a Steeler fan. I'm not a Jets or a Giants fan. That's a long story that I've told on the, on the podcast. I just, you know, I grew up in that Steel Curtain error and Mean Joe Green became my, my ultimate kind of guy in football. So that's only like non New York City team. That sort of bucks the trend. So met Steelers, Rangers, and I was just a casual basketball fan. But being a New York City kid, I knew what that, that title would mean to city and Knicks fans. And so I was glad, you know, I was, I was sort of leaning to them just being a city kid. It was sort of a no lose for me because if San Antonio one-of-one you know, Wemby. But well said by you, right? That's the guy that's going to. But he's still Zebra young and he's in the finals this year. Like, like you said, he's gonna have a ring or two at the very least. And I'll arguably be, bar an injury, probably arguably one of the best players to put on the sneakers and play basket. So their time will come. But, you know, a lot of people, you know, you can't one-of-one a title with Jalen Brunson, all that, you know, sports radio stuff. And I think the Knicks and Brunson proved that theory to be incorrect. And that's what I love. I love that he proved. I love the fact that he was a smaller guy. You know, they list him as six two or six three, one-of-one six' three, but six' five. I love the fact that a small guard was able to lead it to a championship and really debunk all of the naysayers, especially everyone that said, oh, they needed a 1A player. They had a 1A player named Jalen Brunson. It's not my fault that the Dallas Mavericks didn't offer him a great contract when they could have, and they could have extended him. It's not my fault that we didn't give up hardly and you know, we didn't give up any assets for him. So for me, it was really exciting to have him on the team. I mean, just probably the best footwork in the league. Love the worth ethic. I always go back and I see those training videos with him and, and his dad and, you know, it's just, I love the connection he still have together on the bench. And you can see it and you can see the love that they have for each other. It's something unbelievable. I think that if, you know, I know it's a distant fourth for you and hey, listen, I love the new York Rangers. I am a New York Giants guy. I mean, New York Giants have my love. My favorite Giants player of all time is Mark Bavaro. He will always be my favorite Giants player of all time. I might not have been able to meet Ricky, but my next person that I need to meet is Mark Bavaro. But my God, that guy, his nickname on the team was Rambo. And I got to say, I mean, the guy played with a broken jaw against the New Orleans Saints and then went ahead and caught two touchdown games. So I mean, you want to talk about a tough, tough guy. I mean that and I love that. I love somebody that was able to, you know, just work hard and work hard to get results in him. And so, Yu-Gi-Oh growing up and as you can tell, I'm not sure if you're noticing this, they're all around that same time period when I started to love sports. That's when these guys were in their heyday. And now I'm able to, you know, to bring that forward. And I love listening to my son and him telling me what, what he enjoys. And then the best part is debating about it, especially with my audience. Right. Because I have a very passionate audience and a very generous audience. Right. So when they start to get passionate and about something. Yu-Gi-Oh no doubt. I think, you know, depending on what area you grow up, right. You sort of gravitate to the stars of that era. And if, you know, in your case, were you like, in all New York, for me, I just wasn't a Jets and Giants guy. The Coke commercial with Mean Joe, the kid that was in that commercial with me and Joe, if you saw a picture of me, we look similar at the time. Actually we are the same age when that commercial came out. So I just didn't like the Giant. Listen, I took a lot of abuse from my New York City friends. Are like, how can you be a Steeler fan? You can't even go to the games. And I'm like, well, I can't go to the games now, the kid. But someday I, I, I hope to but stuck with it. You know, I obviously I jumped on sort of the heyday, the Steel Curtain, they were winning, but I didn't leave ship in the 80s when they were one of the, the worst teams in, in football either as well. So. But Yu-Gi-Oh and Bavaro, you know, even though I wasn't necessarily Giants fan, I was a sports guy. So, you know, you read all that stuff and head scratching like now guys get a bone and they're out four to six weeks Right. And just a different area. You hear the stories about, you know, Ronnie Lott amputating part of his finger to finish a game out. You know, it's just a, like, crazy stuff. Jack Young bud playing on a broken leg as a linebacker, like, that's just insane, insane stuff that you, honestly, you. You'll never see again like that and probably shouldn't troop be told. But that was the, that was the heyday of toughness. And you know, frankly, it was before the concussion protocols and before we knew CT and a lot of other stuff like that. So it was just sort of, that was the time, the time period. Time for our hobby is the people announcer of the week. What's up, sports card Nation? This is Brett McGrath with stacking slabs podcast. Remember, the hobby is the people. If you'd like to be the hobbyist, the people announcer of the week, do a wav or mpp file and send it to sportscard nationpcmail.com America Social Casino welcome to Moto Casino. Where the excitement never ends. 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