Junk Wax 2.0? Breaking Down Overproduction, Parallels & Pricing in Today’s Hobby

Do you both of you think that we're headed towards Junk Wax 2.0 era? With how much product is coming out right now? I feel like we're teetering on it, that's for sure. They're printing so much. You've got these parallels that are one shade of a color different with the exact same picture, and somehow you slap a 101 on it and it's worth more. I don't call it necessarily junk Wax era, but I do think we're in a junk parallel era. There's way too many parallels. Like parallels 250 into 499 non auto'd. Why does that need to exist? Topps releasing football for the first time with licensing. I see the prices are already going up. Kind of like the basketball did.120 for mega or something. Yeah, it's crazy, man. That license must be expensive. Welcome to the Collector Nation podcast here on the Collector Nation Network. Whether you're chasing grails or calling bluffs, we take you inside the hobby. Here are your hosts, Ryan Alford and Brian Lutt. All right, guys, our on it segment of the week, Leonard's. Hey, you guys know who Leonard is? At this point, I'm not going to talk about how much of a badass he is in YouTube and licensing and product and all that. What's up, Leonard? How you doing, Ryan? Good to see you. Hey, man, congrats. Hooray. Let's get the, like, the confetti should drop for. On it. You guys did it. You picked all the right teams. We did, and I called it too. I said. I said I thought UCLA could win the women's championship. When we had, what, go back four weeks ago and watch that episode. I said that. You were right and you were spot on. We'll. We'll play that back. We'll get the thing to add that to this episode. I should have listened to you, but more because my 8% bracket. Oh, it was looking a little rough. Yeah. When it was all said and done, but I did not have the champion. No. Yeah, I think it was. I mean, I think on the men's side, obviously, it was a lot better than last year because we had more surprises and more parity. You know, Florida going out early, Illinois, UConn's buzzer beater over Duke. Like, it wasn't just the 41 seeds like last year. On the women's side, I think we got exactly what we expected. Outside of South Carolina upsetting UConn. I think that threw a lot of people. That threw me Obviously, I said UCLA Yukon was going to be the. I think I might have had on the record. Us. South Carolina is gonna. Is a. Is an. As a live dog to not sleep on them. I don't know that I picked. I did not. I wasn't commented they would win the title, per se, but I thought they'd be a pretty live dog. And they were. Yeah, they. I mean, I think there was a lot going for them, you know, to avenge last year's loss in the championship game, of course. And then just if there was anybody who was going to put a stop to UConn having a perfect season, it was going to be South Carolina. Right? Like, just the rivalry there. And I mean, you saw Don and Gino get after it, after the game about the whole handshake thing, so that wasn't a great look for Gino, I didn't think. But, you know, I also understand, if you understand athletics at the highest level, how much tension's already there. You know, if anything is good for women's sports, because it does what's already happening, which is sort of legitimizing how, like, intense and good these rivalries and battles are. So in that sense, hey, you don't want to see bickering. But I thought, hey, I'm all for some juice in the women's side. Hey, it made me tune in. I was out at dinner and I, like, paused and. And watched and was like, I wish I was a lip reader. I was like, don, get him. Get him, Don. And. But look too hot. Two intense national championship competitors going, hey, in a tense moment. It happens. But, I mean, amazing. I think South Carolina ran out of gas and UCLA was. Was the best team, no matter. You know, at the end of the day, no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. Nine on it players making all region on the women's side and men's side is crazy. Yeah. Yeah, we had a. We had a ton of. We had a ton of people show up throughout the tournament. I mean, Terrace Street Jr. 2 for UConn. I know they didn't win the championship. Obviously, he played a monster tournament. I thought UConn had a chance against Michigan there. Elliot Cadeau actually ended up being, of course, the MVP of the whole tournament. I thought if Yax. Yaxenberg didn't get injured, I thought it was probably going to go to him. But Cadou played awesome. I mean, pretty much everybody for an on it team showed up in some way for their team in a big way. So we. I mean, we even had Price Sanford. Nebraska got eliminated, obviously, By Iowa, he made the Southall region team. So just a ton of different names. And Gabriella Haquez too for ucla. I, I really like her as a player. I did not think she was going to go off the way she did in the championship game. But I mean it just kind of goes to show you that when you have teams that are this elite, it's just like pick your poison really. Of all of them could go off in any given moment. There's a lot of buys here on the card side. Let's just say that both for WNBA and NBA a lot. Linda Borg, I think is. Can't miss guy, just can do it all. I mean, he's one of those guys they make so much now and you know, thanks to companies like on it, they're taking care of them on the NL side and other places with, you know, lame image likeness. You know, they actually have a decision to make compared to like years ago because there is some money and upside to stick around. But I mean he's, he's a, he's a total beast. I think he's gonna. I think I'd be. Kind of made me think. I was like Michigan boxes over there. I was thinking while I was talking, I need to, I need to, I need to store back some of those. He. I think he's got a big upside. Yeah, for sure. And one of like, it's interesting that you bring that up because one of the guys that I've loved watching all year and I think a lot of people have, is Darius Acuff Jr. At Arkansas. And they're, they're one of our timeless schools. I was listening to Calipari talk before the championship game and he made it sound like Acuff is coming back to school. And I was like, that would blow my mind. He's like top five, isn't he? I said this in my YouTube recap that I put out, but really that one sequence where Terrence Reed got the steal and then he was falling out of bounds, he tried to throw it back and they missed the layup. And then Michigan comes down and McKinney hits that basically dagger three. Yeah, that was the, that was a five point swing right there in a four point loss. You know, like to me that was the whole game on just that one sequence. I know I mentioned it last week too, but we now have the national championship commemorative boxes because they both won. So celebrating, you know, Gabriela Haquez, player of the game. Yaxel Lenborg, Mare Johnson Jr. All the, basically all the players that Got these teams to where they are and just like recapping the whole season. Yeah, look, a lot of future stars, Current stars. You know, it's funny I even hear myself saying that now they're all stars now with nil. And they're doing everything that pro athletes are, but they're all also still in college getting education. And they've got great companies like on it that are paying them for their name, image and likeness and, you know, putting it on fair grounds for them and creating, you know, a future for them and savings for them because, look, they're blessed with the talent, they work hard, and they're using their image, you know, in support of other brands. So it's a win, win and certainly a winning tournament for. On It. Yeah, we had. We had a lot of success with the players that showed up, the teams that won, obviously. And I think a lot of people projected that Michigan would at least be in the Final Four, if not the championship game. UConn really shocked me. I thought. I thought they were potentially going to lose to Izzo in Michigan State. You're supposed to say that they were going to lose to Furman. No, I went to Furman. No, they were never going to lose to Furman. But I mean, yeah, just the run that UConn went on. We had a lot of good teams, a lot of success this year. I'd be shocked if we don't have even more success, you know, next year, especially with the talent that was on these rosters this year that potentially could come back the way college basketball is trending. National championship commemorative boxes. Michigan, UCLA. Shop now at onitathlete.com use code collector nation. You'll get 15% off your first order. That's on itathlete.com love it, Leonard. Always appreciate it. Can't wait. To future segments. Clemson, baseball's got to heat up. We need them. We got. We got to get in it. We'll talk some more. Baseball, other sports. But hey, hell of a season here for on it in the NCAA tournament. Appreciate it. Thank you, Ryan. What's up, guys? Welcome to Collector Nation. It's our Friday episode here in the. Was it middle? It was already middle. I can't believe. Am I saying the. It the 13th or 15th of April. My days are messed up, but Bella will get me straight here in a second. The tenth. Well, it will be the tenth when this releases. The tenth when it releases. Yep. Okay, so it's not as fast as I thought. So I. What it is. We also got Leonard with us. Our good Friend. He is a sports card guys with on it and just knowledgeable around. We're like, hey, join us. Brian's out of town. He's at some conference. Like Leonard's like, I'm in. We appreciate it, brother, for being here. Yeah, thank you for having me. I've got. Got plenty of thoughts. I know what's. What says you here in April. We've been talking a lot about the basketball tournament, which is behind us now. We got the NFL draft coming up. We got mlb. Are we a big draft follower or a big major league baseball guy? Yeah, I mean both for sure. The Yankees in Seattle, you know. Yeah. It's got to be twisted a little bit. Yeah, it's. It's an interesting combo, but it's like crossover season, you know, kind of. We got the draft coming up and baseball's in full swing, so. And this is one of the fanatics fest tops hats, the Jeter one. So nice. As a Yankees fan, I appreciate it. Yes. Those hometown up there, we always call it the universe of, I don't know, New York City. Like, it includes Connecticut and parts of New Jersey, Manhattan. Like, it's kind of all the one if you think about it, because like, I lived in. I live in Manhattan. People come in from Connecticut, they come in from Jersey. You got a whole. I don't know. We're Yankees after all. Exactly. You damn Yankees. So we say down here in the south, you know, I don't care. I love all my Yankees. Hey, I got to meet Aaron Judge. So I will always hold the Yankees close to my heart. I adopted the Yankees while I was up there a little bit. I mean, it was fun. I love going to Yankees games. So if you don't enjoy going to a baseball game, like a live MLB game, you got other problems. Yeah, seriously, you got 99 problems, but that game ain't it because it's fun. You have your hot dog, a beer, some nachos, a stomachache from the hot dog. Absolutely not. If you. If you're bougie, you can go sit in the whatever, you know, I get invited those luxury boxes. I'm like, nah, I want to be out here where I have the sights, the sounds and the smells. Chance to get hit by a foul ball. Catch one, baby. Yeah, and a nice little sunburn while you're trying to do the nine. The nine by nine by nine challenge. Yes. Speaking of mlb, did y' all see the big fight on the Braves Angels game? Yeah. Powder. Yeah, it's usually it looked kind of. I did not see it live. I mean, it was like a tackle. Like, it. It's always like a little. Like these guys are flailing a little, and I don't know how I'd react either. And I feel like I could. I can hold my. My own. But in that moment, the charging of the mound, you're kind of like, yeah, all eyes on you. It's like, okay, what do I do? All right, I throw my glove. I. Am I going to judo chop or give him the crane kick? I'm not sure. Well, the pitcher still had the ball in his hand, and I was just waiting for him to. One day that's going to happen. The pitcher is going to chunk that ball, like, and hit him right in the face with it. Yeah, hit him right in the face with the ball in his hand. I was like, I didn't see him. Somebody else got, like, speared. So, yeah, it was just. It was quite the fight. Yeah. You know, it's a sad sort of time period for me and of the year, because we're still so far from football and that's my favorite sport. But it's a really great time. Like April May, because you have the NFL draft, you have the basketball tournament, which we've been talking about, which is incredible. You have Masters week, which this is. And mlb. Yeah. So it's like in the NBA playoffs starting to come in. It's like a slow ride to that thing. We will come back to that. But. But the NHL playoffs, at least NHL. That's right. They started too. It's a good. It's a good time. I actually kind of had questions about the. The Masters and maybe more from a brand perspective, because I feel like the card market for golf while it's there, you know, it's largely minimal compared to other markets. And I feel like the Masters, they could capitalize it more than they currently are because it's like, I don't really follow golf that much, but I still watch the Masters and I know a lot of other people do, and it's kind of become, like, trendy. So I'm curious if they're going to capitalize on it more this year than they have. That's a good question. I mean, you've got Liv golf that's been, I think, with tops the last few years. I think that's right. Maybe. Maybe Panini. I don't even remember. Who knows? I think. I think they were with Panini for a while. Panini. Was it Panini? Maybe it's still Panini. Who knows? But I don't Know why PJ Tour hasn't had more of a presence? And then it's a good point about the Masters. I know we're going to talk about a certain collectible that's off the market here shortly, but before we get to that, it is like the perfect thing that they could have had like Masters cards done well by someone high end. That would have been a nice. It's probably set up. They could have done like. Because I'm pretty sure they're partnered with Rolex too. Yeah, incorrect. But I think they could have done such a classy collaboration between. Yeah. Like some sort of card with roll. Like, I don't know. I, I think there's something there. And if next year I see it, I want Leonard. I mean, you're in the market here. I mean, you're on, you know, you're in, you know, all this. I mean, what's the deal with golf carts? Yeah, I don't. I, I've never, like, they. Some people really love them, obviously, but they've just never been mainstream for whatever reason. Like even Tiger, you know, like really old Tiger cards, they just have never sold particularly well for. Yeah. What reason? Like, I would. An awesome card to see would be like Tiger Sunday Red, you know, from like one of the years you won the Masters. Like a patch, like the Nike red patch. A green emerald Masters Tiger card. Yeah. Like in the green jacket. Yeah. With a patch auto of, you know, the Sunday Red that he won in. And then like he, you know, I think we're starting a company here. Are we starting a company here? It's expensive licensing. Like golf is such an affluent sport that it's like, why, like, you have the prime market for cards. I think it's because the pl. You know, you have, you have a certain number of players and it's the same. Even though there's a lot of names that float because golf is so hard, the good guys only stay good for so long. It's sort of like 10 to 15 guys that, that have name recognition, you know, and it's usually was Tiger, Phil and everybody else. And I think the problem. It's both the problem and the. Maybe the solution was to have a card that made them more interesting or made them more follow. Maybe the cards could have driven more following. But you know, you always are going to have Mike Trout on television, whether he's batting.210 or 340 that season. So you're always going to see him if you want. If you follow the Angels, Chris Smith, who might win a tournament May or may not be on TV for six months if he gets a little cold. And I think it has something to do with presence and media. You know, the cards can only carry it so much if you don't have a name. And I've come to that hypothesis just while sitting here. So it made sense while I was saying it, but I think. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think part of it, too, is, like, when you think of being a collector and, like, the memories that cards evoke. Nobody has, like, memories of opening golf cards, you know, so, like, there's no nostalgia factor. Yeah. Opening a pack of golf or, like, it's also very hard sport to attend outside of, like, the Waste Management Open in Phoenix, you know, and everybody parties it up on the 16th or 17th, whatever hole it is. Like, you know, when you think about opening a pack of really cheap baseball cards that are like, 99 cents. God knows you can't get a pack for 99 cents anymore, but. And taking him to a game and trying to get them signed at batting practice. Right. Like, for baseball cards, like, I feel like that's a very core memory for parents, kids, and, like, golf just does not allow you the same opportunities. So I feel like that also could be part of the disconnect of where there's not really, like, a tradition or a lineage of families collecting golf and then passing it on down. Yep. And I think. I think that's where maybe your tie in back to where you started tying it into the Masters, tying it into classic tournaments that maybe have, you know, historical. Like, all the Masters winners of the last 40 years have a card set with those that might could get some steam, because, again, you're tying it to the biggest tournament that has mass appeal outside of even golf. See, we need to stop saying our good ideas on the podcast. Yeah, we need to be able to. We gotta pack, swipe, and sell them, you know, but, uh, no, I think someone's probably introduced that. It's. It's so masters of them. Probably not to want to do it, but yeah, you know, oh, the Prestige. We're not gonna have cardboard with the green jacket butchered on it. Well, you know what they do have? We just want to have. Have egg salad sandwiches in our little two and keep them $2. What they do have, though, is in the. The shop at the Masters, they sell these gnomes that look like little garden gnomes. Sometimes they're Christmas themed, sometimes they're golf themed. You know, like, they change it up every year and they retail for $50, but it's speculated that this year is the last year they're doing them. So the secondary market for them is already at $1,000. And if you want the whole set, $39,000. I'm going to go yard selling this spring, and I'm. I'm on the. We live in South Carolina, not far from Augusta. I'm going to go yard selling down in Aiken, see if I can find me some gnomes. I'm sure you can. Yes. And I looked. I mean, that's a big upside. You can buy that gnome at a yard sale for $5, I bet. And that's thousand bucks. Come on. And, like, they're pretty cute. I will say, as gnomes go. Yeah, but it's a garden gnome. Yeah, I. Yeah, and apparently they sell out like. Like, if you're not first in line, like, you're not getting one. Yeah. So I never knew these were so popular. Well, if I had one, you'd get gnome dad joke. Sorry. Steal it from you. You'd have to display it in our store. Yes, I would. That's what I'm saying. I wouldn't sell it. I. I thought, like, bolted down, though, so nobody stole it. That's just true, Leonard. This is true. I'm gonna put up high somewhere bolted down. Nickel time over that big drink machine over there. Mike could be the spot. If that could be like an Easter egg or something, you know, like in the store. The hidden gnome that we find. I go yard selling and I don't tell anybody, and I just start storing them. Obviously you'll know, but it's like when you, like during Christmas, when you hide the pickle in the tree, we hide the gnome in the store. I have not heard of this pickle tree thing. Have you not? Leonard, do you know what I'm talking about? No, absolutely not. The lucky pickle. Not at all. What in the world? You said that like, as if it was like, you know, the Easter bunny coming. I mean, like, okay, you take like, a little pickle ornament and I hope. Listen, this is a strange Yankee New York thing. You take the pickle ornament and somebody hides it, and then you try to find it, and then if you find it, you have to hide it again. This is a family show. Hiding the pickle is not, you know, like, it's a good family show. They probably should be hidden. Okay, I hope. I hope the audience knows. We need to get some votes on this. Is anyone aware that's listening? DM me. Hit us up on the YouTube comments. Hide the pickle on the Christmas tree. I want to put elf on the shelf. Elf on the shelf, Absolutely. Okay, well, now I'm just embarrassed. It definitely is a thing. Okay, back to your regular schedule programming this gnome at the Masters. I can't wait to see him at the yard sale. I'm looking for that thing now. I need a picture of it though. You know, I gotta know what I'm searching for. There's in South Carolina there's a yard sale on every, like every corner every weekend. I believe that. And that gnome, I haven't seen him yet, but strikes me as probably a prime item. Hey. That someone bought 10 or 15 years ago at a Masters and never put it out. They thought it would be cool to have. And then they're going, I wish you could throw it in the yard sales. Because they aren't following the secondary market. And yeah, they'd be losing out on 2000%. Follow along the journey of the gnomes. The master's gnomes. Can Ryan find any in yard sales of South Carolina? We will be on the lookout. And if you have one and you're listening and you want to send it to me, we'll give you those details privately. Well, being is we just told them how much it can go for on the secondary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it has to be graded, right. And I'll. I'm the one that grazed them. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay. You gotta send it to me to make sure it's okay. Yeah. I wonder. They made a pottery. Are they easily breakable? You know, I've never seen one of them, so I can't tell you. Okay. They gotta be on ebay. You got exactly. We'll look that up. Yeah, we'll look that up. So we got a little bit of a switch over here. This week tops release in football for the first time for with licensing. Taking that over from Panini that releases I think on the 15th or 13th. My dates are obviously not correct by the start of the show. I'm trying to put us in the middle 15th. So coming up. Coming up. Yes. It's gonna be interesting. I don't know how limited release it's going to be. I see the prices are already going up kind of like the basketball did. It's like cool used to be kind of universally what like 25, 30 bucks a blaster? 40 to 55, 60 for a mega box. The basketball. Nah, those value value boxes. We've also changed the name. We're no longer Blasters, we're value boxes. I like as A marketer. I kind of like that, you know, but, you know, as a collector, I'm like, I see what you're doing there. Value box, $50. 120 for mega or something. Yeah, it's crazy, man, that license. Yeah, seriously. And I mean, how many places are you going to find it for MSRP, right? So. Oh, exactly. So it's like 6120. Probably like day one, if. If you're lucky for Blasters and mega boxes, it's gonna be almost the same price as Donrus Optic. Yeah, probably more. Yeah. I mean, it's Donrus Optic. Well. And you can find for 80. 80 or 90. I mean, if you know when it came out. But. And I'm sure you saw the. The first day issue as well from Tops. Their. Their idea first off the line. They're doing the same thing. They've literally just took. They took Panini's Playbook. I mean, they got first day issue. They're Dutch auctioning it. Like, I mean, like, we're going to do the exact same thing. If you can't beat them, copy them or. Or just buy all the licenses. Hey, look, I don't have your dog of the fight. I mean, good. I. I know Reuben, Mike. Good job, Mike. He's a killer. Like what? You know, like, he's a beast of a businessman. I got. I don't care. I mean, I'll be selling and ripping and doing all that. I got no dog in the fight. But dang, it's like, it's expensive and it'll. But you know what? I don't think it's going to change the demand. I think that people are going to want it. And I think there's so many people in the hobby right now, they're going to buy it, myself included, you know, as a store owner. So, I mean, it is what it is, but I. I don't know what the end. Like, when does it become too much? I don't know. Do you, both of you think that we're headed towards junk wax 2.0 era with how much product is coming out right now, or do you think that they're across brands keeping, like, purposely scarce? I feel like we're teetering on it, that's for sure. If we're not in it, we're teetering on it. Like, right. I mean, it's just they printing so much. You got these parallels that are one shade of a color different with the exact same picture, and somehow you slap a 101 on it and it's worth more. I get they only made one of that one shade but they're getting a little lazy with the differences from these one on ones to the neck, you know, one to the other. So that screams to me combined with the print numbers, anything else that it could be, you know, I don't know if it'll be quite. I hope it's not as bad as 1989, 90, you know, don Russ and tops. We got people that bring those in the card store every day. I got some old cards you want to show you and I'm like please don't be any non tops. Please don't be 1990 Don Russ and three out of four 1991 Don Russ, 1989 tops. Oh wow, look at these. To be a bear of bad news. They're worth less than what, whatever your grandfather, your father. Probably not grandfather because I was that sage. That's what I collected. But hopefully not your grandfather. Your father's collection's worth less than what he paid for it probably. But I don't know. I think we're close man. I mean there's a lot of being printed, there's a lot of options and it's slicing the bony pretty thin with some of the variations. Yeah, I, I don't call it necessarily junk wax era but I do think we're in a junk parallel era because there's way too many parallels like you said. And the fact that you have like parallels to you know, 250into499 non auto'd like why does that need to exist? Why do there need to be 500 variations of a guy and then you have 250 other variations and then you have 1 to 150 to 100 to 75 to 50. Like parallels to me should not go higher than 25. Yeah, make them rare. Make them really rare. Make them have value. Because if they don't have an auto on them to, to 4.99 it's like five dollar card depending on who it is. Some of them are like two dollar cards. You couldn't even get comc to sell them for you online. Like so I literally opened a box last night. I'm not going to name any names. Panini or the brand or the specific one, Football Select 2025 and opened it and I got a really a pretty cool white looking. I thought at first it was a zebra because they look so close to the same but it wasn't a zebra, it was just a white parallel numbered. It was pretty rare. Pretty rare. There's only 799 of these made, and I was 728 and I felt pretty special. It's like, come on. Exactly to your point, Leonard. Exactly. Comp that card and it's maybe five bucks. Like, it's not even the cost of grading and it's numbered. So, like, what's the point? Might as well be base. My new favorite number is 728. Now, though, I will say that. 728. Yeah. Yeah. least a good player. I mean, your hesitation means it wasn't good enough. Let's just say that. Let's just say he played for the Jets. Is there a single active player on the jets that's. That's good enough? Like, I mean, I'm not saying you don't have some. A few diamonds in the rough, but there ain't a whole lot there. Yeah, none of the. None of the hobby. I mean, Breeze and Garrett are both. Breeze hall and Garrett Wilson are both really good, but they just don't get any love because they play. It wasn't either one of them. So I knew who he was. Most people would know it. Most fans would know who he was, but it wasn't great. And I was just like, man, think about, so how rare this is. It's kind of like, so how rare do you think of? Okay, in some ways you can go, Well, I made 800 of them, you know, 799. So, okay. Then I'm like, if you're asking a girl to go out with you and there were 728 ahead of you, you know, out of seven, nine, that's not a rare. You're not very rare if you're like number seven, 28. Like, you know, that's a crazy way to think. No, I mean, but it was kind of like, I don't think I want to be number 728. You know, like, that's not rare. Rare is 20, 25. Okay. You know, just about in any. Anything the Leonard's point. Out of 25. Okay. There's a lot of numbers in the world, but not 799. Hey, you could have been number 799. That's true. You know, I'm. That. I'm probably that in a lot of other things, but, you know, like, how good I am at, you know, backgammon and other ran. I mean, I'm good at yard sports, I'll say that. Don't. Don't come at me. And bocce ball, frisbee, you know, crochet, croquet. Like, I'll kick your ass in it. I mean, yard game wizard. Ping pong. Okay, well, yeah, I was gonna say we're gonna have to do a cornhole tournament. Oh, dude, I'm just saying, ask my wife. I'm terrible at so many things, but yard games, some games that pay no money, that gives you no prestige, I am really good at. Hey, I mean, they have. They're worthless. They have tournaments of cornhole on tv. I don't get that on the O. Yeah. You know what I saw the other day was virtual golf tournament. Yeah, I was flabbergasted. It's called. Isn't that called Golden Tea? Golden Tea Live. Hey, I'm in. Think about getting one here for the station. Let me tell you, I'm not kidding either. Yeah, I was baffled. Yeah. Trying to get productivity absolute zero. Close. We're close, Leonard. We're not far from it. Hey, we're productive here. Anything else on our topics of the dzor? I mean, look, get out there. No, only thing else is that the London Card show coming up here is expecting 20,000 attendees. Hey, the hobby is worldwide. Yeah. Yeah. You guys see demand globally for on it Leonard? Yeah, actually, that's kind of funny you mentioned that. I actually know two people who are going to the London Card show. Completely unrelated, but. Well, we have a guy actually who I met at my last company, who's a huge college football fan who lives in the uk. He's like a huge Oregon Ducks fan, big Denver Broncos fan, but he likes college more. He's like, been really big on actually getting a bunch of on it football over there and running breaks for other guys who can't get, you know, the cards internationally because he comes back to the US Quite often. So, yeah, there's definitely a demand for college football. And obviously I'm kind of tuned in. F1 is my favorite sport. So I'm really tuned into the F1 card community. There will be a ton of people I know at selling F1 cards there. So in soccer, too, I feel like all the stuff that we don't really kind of accept over here in the US like, yeah, you see a ton of that stuff at these international car. We just, like in the United States, we're just like so focused on basketball, football, baseball, and we kind of just forget that, you know, soccer and Formula One are these global sports that, I mean, if you look year by year, they rack up way more money in sales than anything we do here in the States. Yeah. And I think it's, you know, because, you know, NCAA is trying to expand football more globally by having games in different countries and stuff. So I'm sure that there's definitely a lot of college football fans that would be interested in. On it. Cards at the London card show. I got an idea. I think on it. And collect. Your nation needs to do a joint activation next year at the London card show. There we go. We'll all get on that. I'm in. Hey, also London. Bella, to your point, is that not the worst thing ever? Having college athletics being played in Ireland and Spain? I'm sorry, that is the most ludicrous thing. When they announced that, like, who is it? Kansas and Kansas State are going to, like, Spain in the middle of November. Are we joking? Yeah. In the middle of the season, a Big 12 Conference football game is being played in ridiculous. I. That. I. Nothing. Are we wanting transfers? Are we wanting transfers from there? Are we wanting to pull in, like, admissions from the foreign country? What's. I get to try to spread football, but it's stupid. I love when the games start at 8:00am Like, I actually don't mind that on a Sunday, just because then, hey, I'm eating breakfast, making an omelette and like, hey, Jacksonville's. Oh, Jacksonville's always playing on those Sunday games. I don't know why. He probably doesn't say anything good about them, but they, hey, they're better this year. They're gonna be better next year. So maybe they won't make the. The London special, but I hate it so much. I don't think I've ever seen you so passionate about it. Like, it's just. No other sporting thing does this. Like, rugby doesn't send people, like, soccer doesn't play international league matches in the United States. Why? Because they think it's ridiculous. Like, the Champions League tried to do it and there was a massive pushback because they're like, this is a European tournament. We are playing it in Europe. We are not coming to Miami. And all the clubs, like, the club presidents got involved and like, look, we're not doing this. Like, I don't care if it makes money. This is a European tournament. But here in the US we're just like, so, like, oh, football, we gotta get it to the Europeans. And it's just like, God, guys, this is American football. If they want to come watch American football, they can come to America. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we want to force it down one way or the other. So crazy. I guess that's how it is, but that's it. That's all we got Leonard. Really appreciate you for joining in and providing perspective and as always, go check out on it athlete.com for more with what they're up to. And Leonard, want to drop any social deets or anything like that? Yeah, you can if you're interested in on it. College football cards or just college sports in general on an athlete on socials if you want to Follow me if you enjoy my passionate takes about why American sports should be played in America. Leonard on it is my handle on Instagram. You can follow me there. I just actually inherited a bunch of vintage cards so I've been showing those off recently. So if you're interested in vintage cards, you can come check those out. So. And I appreciate it. We're always buying. Oh, you should. We should talk after this. Then you'd be interested. Yeah. Oh, sweet. Let's talk for sure. Bella, appreciate you. I always love being on here. Hey guys, you want to find us Collector nation, the collector nation.com and the collector station.com if you want to check out our live inventory. We ship nationwide here in the United States and of course we carry on it. That's what you got to get. Support those college athletes and support yourself because there's some high value cards coming out of these college tournaments. Let me tell you. We appreciate Leonard. We appreciate on it. We appreciate all our partners. We really appreciate you for making us a top show on Apple Top 10 in sports again this week. Number four, I think was the highest. We appreciate it. Continue to like follow. Listen, tell us what you want to learn here. We'll keep bringing it to you here on Collection. See you next time. Thanks for tuning in to the show. Be sure to follow us on your go to podcast platform and catch the full video episode over on YouTube. Visit us@collectornation.com and follow Ryan on Instagram at Ryan Alford. Now get out there and collect yours.