MAJOR Announcements from Upper Deck & Topps

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It can help you with practically anything on the web like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block. Or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it, ready to make anything online make sense. There's no place like Chrome. Check responses Setup required. Compatibility and availability various 18/. Semi solo show again. Jesse is actually still super, super sick with his stomach thing. Whatever. Good news when you can't eat and you are just viscerally ill to your stomach. I don't know if that's the word or the application of the word, but I'm using it. You hit your weight loss goals. So Jesse is doing great in that regard. He probably feels like he's going to die, but in reality he's just killing it like losing weight and looking great. So sports boy will be back, Skinny boy and it's going to be amazing. So yeah, I'm going to be solo for most of the show. I invited Adam Gray on It's funny. Adam used to come on quite a bit. Let me give you the quick rundown. This is what we're going to do today. I'm trying to be a little more organized and and showbiz these people call it being a little more buttoned up. I don't know what that actually means but we're going to try it. So there's some upper deck news regarding the MJ and the signing and him signing a deal there. I want to break that down a little bit because I do think that has some actual meaning for the hobby tops announced yesterday. The tops for next they're now going to start selling product that is not sealed. Looks like it's just going to be retail again. I think this is a story. I don't think it's as big as some of these other guys have made it out to be. But I do want to kind of talk about the implications of that going forward. A quick thing on vintage value we've been talking so much about, hey, everything is up, but not everything's up, whatever. I actually went through and found some specific examples of things and I compared everything to about three years ago. And instead of just how everything is up, here's a few cards that are not despite these guys being all time greats. And I actually want to get Adam's perspective on that too. I've got one quick PC show off card just because it's an awesome freaking card that I've owned for years and just kind of a cool story behind it. And then, yeah, we'll have Adam Gray kind of come on and talk about his collection. He just did this with Jeff Wilson recently, so I wanted to have him on to talk about that. So Adam is here. Stuff in his face. That's a shot at Jesse, by the way. Jesse can't eat right now and Adam's just freely loading up over there. Anything, anything to say about that? I have something to say about many things. Can I say something right now? Absolutely. Here's what I have to say. I have a really old computer and it's no longer letting me download the most new version of Riverside. So I've got to join during my. With my phone, which sucks. You're doing great. So I'm here, I'm on my phone, I'm on time. But it's not as great a quality as I'd like. How do I look, Mike? Do I look okay? You look fine. Here's the problem. Not everybody loves this joke, but I go back to this. Well, often I would make the argument, Michael J. Fox is your cameraman. A little shaky. See, that's just a little joke. But Mike's doing great. I just saw him in an awards. It's just a joke, people, everybody. It's amazing how many people get upset about that joke, but I always think it's hilarious. Michael J. Fox is like, almost like a. Like people, people because they feel like they've known him forever. It's. He's almost like a sacred person. Oh yeah, they get defensive. Yes. I think there's, there's a thing there. Probably you're rocking on a hoverboard in the 80s. You get to. You get the protection and you should listen. I know You've got a quick out. We're starting the show with you. I just gave the quick rundown. This is a buttoned up SCN this week, so you're welcome for allowing it to be a part of it. I. I hate to say this, I was reminded that we hadn't had you on in a while when I saw you with Jeff, which, of course. Yeah, that's fine. I'm not gonna bash Jeff. He's boring, and that's okay. So his fault. I thought you kept it going, though, thankfully. I think your story is great, though. I know when we get you on a lot of times it's like, hey, hot takes or moves and free agency and all this other stuff. I actually, to his credit, I really liked you guys. Really just dove into your PC. I know we've talked about certain pieces. I just kind of want to spend, like a couple minutes. Can you kind of let our audience know, like, give me your backstory real quick. The elevator Adam Gray Hobby backstory. I've collected my whole life, Collected from the late 80s to today. Never really never stopped. Worked at a card shop for years. Flipped cards in the late 90s to pay for my mission. Served a mission in England. Paid for my undergraduate master's degrees, flipping cards. And then got to the point where, around 2010, bought my house. Had to sell my whole collection. Sold my collection. I didn't sell all of it, though. I kept my 86 FLIR set, which I've had forever. I kept my few Ricky Rubio cards, some tops and tops. Chrome tops, chrome refractors, sure. And then a couple Kevin Durant chronology cards. So I kept about $1,000 worth of stuff. That's all that stuff was worth back. Back then. Okay, I kept all of that stuff. And then, you know, kept. And then I said, I'm going to start. I'm going to have this and $1,000. I separated it from everything else that I have, and I said, let's just see what I can turn this into. And then, you know, since then, I started Basketball Card Fanatic, the magazine that, you know, we topped out around 500 subscribers. Yay for us. Did that for about five years. Started the first Basketball Card podcast. And basically my collection, though, the whole time, the whole goal has been to just sort of create the very best collection that I can. And, you know, like, I try to keep a diverse collection. I think of myself as, like, I consider myself like a basketball historian. I love the history of the game. I followed it my whole life. I've never left Never left the hobby. I've also never left the NBA. I just, I love the NBA. Love. I love the hobby. And now, like, if you look at my collection, it's just sort of the, the, the stuff that I sort of have found that I feel like is the best, the best thing that represents the history of basketball cards. And that's what my collection is today. Yeah, I like it too. Like, I said this on a live stream, I did recently. You're one of the few people I know that a. Has been in this more than six years, pre Covid people. And for you, way, way pre Covid. And has actually made money not, not on content, talking about it. I know you've done that now, but you have made money, like you just said, actually buying, selling flipping cards. I also think your story, although you're like a crazy, stupid seller, like, unbelievable example of this of like, hey, my collection started here. Not everybody's is worth, you know, millions like yours. However, I think your overall focus, at least from what I know about you, is the flipping always funded the cards. It funded your house too. But like, I get frustrated sometimes because it's like, oh, I never, I never sell. I'm just a PC guy. I get. There's a few people. I think that's such a tiny minority of the hobby. I think so many people do what you do. That's kind of my, my thing. If I want a new card, hustle, make some money off cards to go buy it. And so I think it's pretty cool. I didn't realize though, and I don't want to make this a thing about monetary value, but you've had some pretty ridiculous wins just from holding stuff. Yeah, I mean, I, I've, I've always sort of thought like part of, part of the, part of the math here. And I've said this. You can look back at all my content for over a decade now. I always said every card that I buy, I'd like to think I'm buying it with both my head and my heart, meaning every card that I buy, I should, it should be something that I like. I shouldn't just be buying it because I think it's going to increase in value. But I shouldn't buy something if I don't think it's going to increase in value. Right. So if I think something's overpriced, I typically stay away from it. And some people don't like that because they'd like you to be buying the new, latest, greatest, whatever. But for the most part, I Don't buy the new, latest, greatest, because sometimes, for the most part, that's the stuff that you can end up losing the most on. Yeah. I am curious along the way, what was that? And none of it's going to be, like, brand new. I know you weren't out buying the newest product. What were some of the latest and greatest, Like a curry that's only six years old or like, what was. Like, some of the actual ones you kind of reached on a little bit. Okay, so I want to sort of answer that, but I'll answer something else at the same time because I've a lot of people. After, after, you know, I started talking about this after Jeff asked me the questions. People would be like, you didn't do this. You added funds. You're lying, and stuff like that. Which is fine. People are welcome to believe what they. A lot of stupid people in the world. Yeah. I will just say, like. Like I segregated my funds into a PayPal account and I had cards and I didn't spend outside of those two things. Like, that's, That's. That's my story. And I'm not trying to. Which, by the way, is remarkable. I started that way when we had 10,000 in savings, which back in 2010 was unbelievable for us. I took five grand out and she almost lost her mind because I was like, well, I'm going to try, but along the way, I've added way more to it. I've sold cars. So, yeah, I think that you've done it that way is unbelievable. Sorry. Keep going. Well, so I'll just. I mean, I'll do this in two minutes. I'll be really, really fast. How to. How to describe this to somebody else? Because, again, people aren't going to believe it, and that's okay. And people don't need to. That's. I don't. I'm not out here trying to prove anything anybody. Like, I was asked the question, so I answered it. And so. So bought the house in 2010. And I said, okay, thousand bucks. Let's see what I can do with the rookie Rubio cards. I kept the rookie Rubio cards because. Not because I thought he was going to be some great player, but because I saw that he only had rookie cards for a little while, and then, you know, most of the panini sets, he didn't have rookie cards. Did he not come over, by the way? Just interject. That's right. That's why he didn't have very many. And I saw Olympics, and so I thought his stuff was going to explode one day. So then when I had the chance to sell those for a lot of money, I did, and I made, like, a thousand bucks on just Ricky Rubio. And I felt like such a genius. I went to the card shop and I bought two boxes of 2010 totally certified, which at that point had these green cards that were worth a ton. People thought they were going to be like, the next PMG greens. And this is the part where I got the luckiest of this whole thing. Out of those two boxes, I pulled a green Andre Iguodala that I sold for, like, the price of a box. And in one of the other boxes or in the first box I bought, because I only had two boxes. In the first box, I bought a Kobe Bryant or I got a Kobe Bryant redemption green autograph on card, because everything there was on card for Kobe. That's right. And so I. And then I sold that on eBay for $3,100. That was the beginning. That was where, like, the cash really, like, said, okay, what can I do with this? Then? If you go every step along the way, 2012 and 2013, I bought Flawless Basketball. I bought a bunch of cases of that. Like, there's, like, little things. There's little things along the way, right? I didn't just buy a bunch of cases for 3100. At that point, cases were 2700 or 2500 or something, but I bought four of those cases first year, Flawless, by the way, for people to understand 2012 flawless, by the way. Just like, what happened with this quiz? Just interject again really quick. I'm going to do that the whole time. I always interrupt everybody, but. But from the. That stuff was unbelievable because at the time, it was immediate pushback. Like, there was for exquisite. Dude, yeah, it's going to be nice. This is too expensive. This is stupid. Like, what are we doing? And then we saw the cards. We're like, well, maybe not. It took a little bit of time, but it did. That's insane. And so I did that. And then you can even look back in the old Beckett, because they did a story. It was pretty cool. Suze Sue's messaged me way back in the day, and she's like, hey, can I do a story on you? Because I'd put together the whole set of rookies from Flawless Basketball, and that stuff exploded in value. And so I got really lucky because one guy who, honestly, who's done amazingly off of all the cards I've sold him, but he bought Most of my 10 flawless rookies and I did amazingly on those. Like I made thousands of dollars. I took that money, I put it into Kyrie rookies, early Kyrie Prism rookies and then later Anthony Davis high end rookies the year after his stuff was not doing super well after his first year because remember everybody was all over Lillard that first year and I went all in on Davis. I made enough on Davis. I think I made like 30 grand on Davis which back then was crazy million today. Yeah, crazy. Then in 2014 and 2015 I had a couple of giant ones. I had like a Wilt Chamberlain autographed rookie card. It was one of the first two of those that PSA ever graded. I made like seven grand in cash and like a couple grand in trade on that. By the way, while you're doing this, another interruption. While you're doing this, are you also like oh here's a Curry. I like I'm buying that to just totally put away or is it all the flip game at this point or what's the breakdown? So along the way I'm sort of saying good, really good question because. And this, this next step is important to understand this. So. And it'll, it'll explain what I did. So 2015 I buy one of my biggest regrets of ever letting go the Kobe Bryant championship tag autograph out of Eminence which is inscribed. It's so cool. It's one of his best cards. Finals. Correct. Worn in the finals, right? Yeah, it's. It's the tag from the regular jersey but it says 16x from the Lakers and then he inscribes it 5x champs. Certainly a seven figure card today. I buy this card for now. It's just so stupid to think about it, but I think I paid. I traded two cases plus some cash. It was like 11 grand. Yeah. For that card I then move it to a guy for four and I didn't want to move this one. I wanted to keep it. I didn't ever want to get rid of this. But he made me this unbelievable offer. It was five Kobe's and cash and I figured at that point I would going to be making about 12 to 15 grand profit immediately. Yes. You're doubling your money. I'm doubling my money and I'm doing it real quick. Yep. I didn't want to do it and getting Kobe's back. By the way, you're not trading for cat rookies. No. Right. So this is, this is the. This answers your previous question. So I decided at that point I would keep the 2004 limited logos, Kobe that I got in the trade, which is one of the craziest limited logos Kobe's legitimately in existence. Yeah, that was one of the cards I got. And I said, I'm keeping that. That's going to stay towards the top of my collection. I still own that. I know. I was going to say, I've seen that when you release your list or like, your PC stuff, you still have. Okay, so you. So all in all, then, not actually a bad trade. Everything you got went way up too, right? That's right. But here's the thing. I moved all the rest of the stuff. I wish I. First off, I wish I wouldn't have made the trade. Second, I wish I wouldn't have sold the stuff that I got as part of that. But third, I'm really glad I kept the Kobe. And along the way, the same sort of thing, I did that same sort of thing over and over and over again where I try to keep a piece, trade into a piece. And then the idea is, and I've said this all along, like, if you can get a card where you're like, ah, man, that's like. That's like the top of the top. Like, I don't think I'll. I don't think I'll beat that. Like, you keep that stuff. And so the real. The real. And. And we. We could keep going through each of the. Each of the different layers. But the real key to all of this is, like, when I've gotten a card like that, I've said to myself, I'm going to do whatever I can to keep that. And if you look at it like you look at the top of my collection, the Kobe Logoman, the gold of Curry, the gold of Kobe, both from 2012, the cost that I had on each of those is like, nothing compared to what it is today. And so people are like, there's no way you did that. Well, part of it is that I bought a Curry Gold for 17 grand, and I bought a Jordan PMG for 5 grand. Like, that's. That's what I did is I did those back when that's what the value was. And now you look at it and you go, oh, wow, that's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy because I was the insane person who actually kept the stuff. Most people, they're going to just go for the money, but for me, I was like, I just. I want to own the stuff. And the money wasn't as appealing to me. And so that's. That's really the story of how it got to where it is today. Yeah, yours has been. Like I said, I always like your journey too, number one. Because you know way more about a sport than I do and the hobby and the sport itself. I love that you know basketball way better than me. The other thing I think is cool though, that has always been my philosophy. Like when I. I bought a lot recently, I think I showed this the other day. Thousand dollar lot. It's nothing special, but this into a small level. It talks about it though. There were three cards, nothing cards. There's a Essentials Clemens. It's worth 20 bucks. I hate Roger Clemens though, and he's in a Yankees uniform. I hate everything about the card. And it's an awesome card because it's so much hatred. I like it. Dynamic duos, Randy Moss, Chris Carter, refractor again, thirty dollar card. 97 Bowman's best, Atomic Griffeys, a couple hundred bucks. Those are all going to go to grade. But my thing was I can sell the rest of that lot. I can now keep these for free. There's nothing better to me like, oh, I. And I don't care if it's a 50 card. If I like the card and I get to keep it for free, it's a huge win. Because the other thing you hear so much of is like, oh, you should have just kept your stuff. If I kept all my Brady's from 2010, sure. But my pushback is like, yeah, but look at the stuff I now have. I've got a champ contender's ticket that I have a fraction of the value in now, you know, and like, especially for you, like that limited logo, man. Yeah, you moved other stuff. You could have kept the one. But it's not like people like us and most people sell a card and take all the money out of the hobby, right? Most of the time they're just like reinvesting it or buying some other stuff. So I think it's kind of a wash almost. And here's, here's the real key though, because sometimes, sometimes you buy something and you get a chance to move for 20% and that's going to be the best chance you ever get to make that 20% on the card. That that has happened for sure. And I've got a lot of those too, where I'm like, I'm really glad I moved that. But this is a great story. So after I bought the Jordan PMG, which is in 2015, 2016PMG championship. Yeah, five grand. What's that worth now, by the way? 500. I don't know the PMG mark. I know the last, the last PSA four that moved was like 500 grand. Mine's a BGS nine, so I don't know what. It's a millions. Okay. I didn't, I thought you said. I didn't know you said nine. Okay. Right, right. So, no, I really don't know. But here's, here's. I remember on Blowout, there's a guy who I still converse with today and he asked me at the time back on the Blowout forums, right? He's like, who is this, by the way? I was huge on Blowout. I had a thousand feedback. I was like one of the first 50 people to do it or something. The guy who's on there, you mean? Yeah, you know his name? Those back pages, do you remember him? I don't. Darn it. Okay. You would know him if you saw him at the National. Okay. He's an iconic guy in our hobby. Like he's been around for a long time. But I remember he asked me, I think it was those back pages. I'm pretty sure he asked me. And you can still probably look this up. This is like 2016, 2017. He asked the question. He's like, because one sold on eBay and it sold for like 15 grand or not on eBay, sold somewhere for like 14, 15 grand. And he's like, adam, did you see what this card just sold for? Are you going to sell yours? And I was like, no. And I remember people were like, how can you not sell it? It's worth so much money. That was the logic. But I really did believe, and I said this to Jeff and I mean it. I always believed that some of these key pieces would be viewed more as like long term investment pieces by a lot of people. And so I said, I know it sounds crazy and support my. I mean, credit to my wife on this. Because everybody's like, doesn't your wife want you to sell these things? And I was always just like, no, some of these things are going to have real crazy value down the line. And fortunately, fortunately, that's, you know, turned out to be true. Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah. I do think the other thing, just really quick and I gotta go in just a minute. I also love. I didn't realize you were involved in wax as much as you were like that, like early Flawless. And Eminence. Eminence is another one I think is hilarious. I had. Because Eminence is the one that did the diamond, the Kobe black set. It had the diamond on it and the silver or the gold auto. I bought two of those before he died. So 2019, pre. Pre Covid, pre death. Because I think he died February of that year. I think he died January. January 26th. Okay, perfect. January 26th, he dies. Covid starts shutting down the end of March. So very. You had like two nuclear events. I sold both those to Nate Burns at grand slam for 1500 a piece. I 5x my money. I was like, great. Like, I'm a genius. Yeah. And then they went for 12, 000 or something. Whatever they did. There are some pieces though. You are right. Like some stuff. It's like, oh, if I can. I just bought a Jackson Dart downtown. I flipped it the next day at the card show two weeks ago. Made 20. I was thrilled. I don't care about Jackson Dart. I will tell you this though. The one piece I still regret selling more than anything ever. And I'm not even a memorabilia guy. There's a picture. It's in the shape of a lightning bolt. It's baseball. So all it has the original 11, 500 home run members. Aside from Babe Ruth, so Mantle, Maze, Ted Williams, Schmidt. It was just iconic picture. Some of them were just prints. Others were like not original paintings, but like lithograph maybe or something closer to that signed by all 11 guys. Because they did a card show in 1990 in Atlantic City. You had to have a ticket, a voucher for each table to get it. And it had their name on it. Well, this Guy kept all 11 vouchers. He had the whole thing framed around it. One of a kind. Like there's not a lot of those originals anyways. And there's nobody that kept the tickets. That thing was like 1500 and then sold for like five grand. And I was like, unbelievable. Those are the things I look back at though. Like, dude, you should have just kept it, you dummy. So, yeah, I think we've got to get some of those. You've got to keep a few things along the way that you love. Right. And that's the thing is like, if you. This is my best piece of advice I can give to people. And if you can collect stuff that you love and that you know from your logical perspective with all the study that you do, you believe that people will find more collectible as the years go by. That's the key. You got to love it and you've got to think people are going to want it more. That's the stuff you've got to. You got to keep some of that stuff. Yeah. You know the other trick I now do, and I've done it for the last few years because I've gotten real big with card letter and like having my collection in there and even the stuff I flip, I like, I have two. Two different folders because I like to keep up. There's probably 15 cards that are just not in there. I don't want to know if they're up 2% or 8,000%. Out of sight, out of mind. I just want to keep them. So, hey, I know you got to go. You got a hard. Close your hard stop at 12. Thank you. This was awesome, man. Good to check in with you. Hey, call me. Call me sooner next time. I want to. I want to. I'm happy to chat anytime, brother. 100, man. Thank you, Adam. Bye, Mike. See ya. All right. There you go. I want to catch up with Adam. I also feel like. And to his credit, Ian Babcock, who's been a listener for a long time, has made the critique like, hey, it feels like this thing's been on a little bit of repeat. Like, I do feel like some of those topics recently have gotten stale. So when I saw the Adam thing the other day with Jeff, I was like, man, I forget. I like talking basketball with Adam, but I forget how ridiculous. Like, probably the best example of somebody who over the past 15 years, because like, he said he started in like 2010, kind of started again. Like the most unbelievable story of like buying, selling, and flipping, but at the same time putting away these pieces that are just unbelievable. So I do think it's pretty cool. I love what he said too. Like, head and heart. Like, hey, I love the card. But A, is it a terrible time to be buying it? B, doesn't have long term staying power if that's kind of the goal for it. So I do think that's important. But yeah, we got to get him back more often. I'm going to bring Brandon on real quick to our. One of our producers. I do want to talk about this Upper Deck story. So the upper Deck story and the fanatic story I want to just hit on briefly. So Brandon, Upper Deck announced what, two, three days ago? I know our buddy Matt Schilling was up there and actually, I don't even know. Was that in New York? Yeah, I believe he had to go to Manhattan for it. So, yeah, God forsaken place. I hate Manhattan more than almost anywhere else in the earth, but that's fine. So Upper deck announces basically a lifetime deal with MJ now. Yes. So it's a. I believe they're calling it a legacy deal in that he will be with Upper Deck exclusively in perpetuity. So even after his death, he will be exclusive to Upper Deck stuff. He won't be signing for anybody else at that point either, which will be nice. True, true. Dead joke. I always. I recycle that joke a lot too. I like what Jason Mashera said though. The president of Upper Deck was come on here a bunch. He's always been super transparent with us. He said something at one point though, somebody. I don't know if it was a question that prompted or if he just had it in. We are actually going to produce the same or less on a yearly basis than we're doing now. I do like that. Like I think you talk about staying power. Jordan doesn't sign a ton of stuff. Now you're now saying you're going to continue to be conscious of the amount of stuff. Not that I think tops anybody to go out and sign him. If he had moved companies, you would have to produce a ton because I don't even. I have no idea what that deal would. So like, let's say he signs with fanatics. You would have to pump any business fanatics. Panini, you would have to pump out a ton of his autos just to get any sort of roi. I think that's the best thing that could have happened for the hobby. Him just staying put. Yeah, well, and not just that he's doing limited signing on cards, but then he's also doing the buyback program that they did where so the packs and then they also did a whole box that they're donating to charity. So he signed an unopened box. 1986 FLIR. 86 FLIR signed the box, tagged it one of one and then did. There was an inscription on it. I believe it said like rookie box or something like that. And so all of that stuff is going to be as redemptions in Goodwin Champions. Which by the way, do you know that product at all? Goodwin vaguely familiar with it. I wouldn't say like bottom of the like it's. It's a super cheap mashed up. It's almost like an Allen and Ginter but upper deck style. You'll pull like a Gretzky auto in a suit and there's a dinosaur tooth relic and there's like, you know, a piece of earwax from a whale. It's super weird, but they've always had these huge names, so. And the packs are redemptions in that too. Right? The autograph slabbed 86 packs. Is that all in Goodwin? Yeah. So it's all going to be in Goodwin. They're all going to be redemptions. And one. They're all numbered one out of 23. Whatever. And then there's a special 12 out of 23 that is. Has an inscription on it that says rookie pack. I don't know why 12 out of 23. I'm not 12. I thought he wore 23 the entire time. Other than the 45 journey, you might be right. Hard to say, Alan. Fact check that. Okay, I will say I didn't know that part until right before this. When I first saw the signing, I was like, oh, they're gonna release like an MJ exclusive thing. It's gonna have just like a bunch of stupid base cards and then those will be like this crazy chase. It'll be a terrible product. I. I absolutely love that they're just releasing it. And Goodwin champions. I think that's awesome. Like that's such a crazy wild chase in there. It's awesome. Yeah. So I was gonna say I have just one question for you about it because Goodwin champions, not really top of mind for me. The. You can still get like PMGs and stuff in that, right? Like that. Is there like a chase other than the Jordan packs in this? Yeah. So you can get. And again, it's been a couple. I haven't broken that in probably three or four years. There's weird stuff. A couple years ago we pulled a patch, a game used piece of a uniform from a World War I American soldiers uniform. Super random, but it was worth like a thousand dollars or something ridiculous. You can pull a bunch of numbered stuff and some of the guys still sign like Luca for a while was signing with upper deck. Gretzky has always signed with upper deck. Tiger woods has always. I think you can still hit autos of guys like that too. And there's numbered inserts and other things in there as well, man. There was some other stuff too. There was like one of the other super random things. Megalodon teeth, like fossils. My brother in law hit one of those. He got a. I don't know if they're worth anything, but they're weird stuff you can pull. He sold it for like $700. Oh yeah. So there's that. And one year they did a whole run of pieces of stone from some famous castle in Europe somewhere. And I know it's super vague, but it was like. So there's other chases as well, but nothing as big as that. Like the MJ stuff is there's almost every year there's an MJ Auto of some kind in there. Yeah. Nothing like this though. Like that's. But I like that I don't need a whole new high end product where it's going to be a lot of like low end dog crap just to chase this lottery ticket to get a redemption. Putting it in there I actually think is pretty cool. So I do. That's kudos to Upper Deck on that one. I want to leave you on. We're going to play the sound too. I think you guys are just going to plug it in after the fact. So we have breaking news from Tops. They just put out an announcement. Following unprecedented demand for yesterday's Topps Chrome Update Basketball pre order, we're working to provide collectors a chance to open packs at retail prices. Friday's Topps Chrome Update Basketball Mega box pre order on our website. All boxes will ship with the plastic seal fully removed. The cards and contents inside remain untouched. However, removing the factory seal helps discourage the immediate resale and gives more collectors an opportunity to purchase at retail prices. It's an initial test is part of a larger program working to ensure that more collectors can buy the products they love at retail prices. All right. Wow. I love it. We've talked about it before and you know of having hobby shops say that at. We are going to say we can sell you this box at this price sealed or at this price. If we cut the wrapper off and you open it up here and shop like that's. That's pretty sick. I think that's awesome. I'm. I'm a huge. And especially for retail or like a value product like that's the point of it. They're trying to get those at. Into the hands of collectors. We've talked about how Tops does a fantastic job of actually providing value in their value boxes. You go to Target right now and you look at the shelves. There is going to be a ton of panini prism setting. There's going to be a ton of, you know, panini stuff that there's not value in the value boxes. The top stuff you cannot find platinum anniversary blaster boxes because there's crazy good value in them. They're better than hobby boxes. I think they are at least my. My take on it like what I've ripped. Yes, they, they have been better. But making it be so that to the point of the people that are buying $500 boxes and flipping them for $1200, you now cannot do that. Yeah, that's awesome. I mean mega boxes. Because, I mean, look, now my thing is I might actually buy some and rip some for me. Just for fun. I wasn't planning on ripping any of it, but now, now I'm like, all right, I am 100% going to try and buy some and rip some for me because. And guess what? You could pull a Cooper flag rookie debut pack out of a mega box. You're telling me there's a chance? You're telling me there's a chance. This episode is brought to you by Google Health. Stop chasing someone else's definition of health. What matters is what's healthy for you. Google Health offers a new kind of coach built with Gemini for effortless tracking, sleep insights and holistic coaching tailored to you. Visit googlestore.com to learn more and start a new relationship with your health. 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By the way, his reaction when you said he was like, oh, I. I don't know if he tries to get himself in a position to be made fun of if he does. I don't know if Shane did him dirty on the edit. I mean, he didn't help him, I'll tell you that. Good grief. You guys were. I think you were on when this happened. Anyways, so Topps announced that starting with Topps Chrome Update Basketball, just the retail Skus for now. So Mega Boxes particular and Blasters, I think, as far as I know, I think it's just Mega boxes that they're selling on the website. I don't know. They didn't say anything about value or hanger or anything else. And I know it's not it doesn't include hobby. But the announcement was, hey, with mega boxes that you get on the, on the website, they are going to come to you. Not wrapped up, unsealed. And basically the point is. So a couple things. The overall point is we don't want guys just going in, cleaning house and being able to flip boxes for 10x and like the people who actually want to get these and open them can't afford them. It's kind of done it in, in order to combat the flipping. I do wonder security, first of all, I wonder if that even happens or is it just guys still going by them like crazy and then just flip them knowing they're unsealed. So I don't know. So I don't know. I'm not sure. My initial thought is that it's a positive, at least for the people that are, you know, collectors. They want to open product, they can't afford hobby, that kind of thing. I think it will eventually cut down on the flipper scammer portion of it just because in theory we'd all know not to buy something that's not sealed. So like that's the thing. You cannot bank on intelligence though. I think guys are just going to be so stupid now where they're going to say, oh well, none of them are sealed, let's just do it. And like how do you know that they haven't opened it? And I hear you on that and I believe you that there will be people that are not up to speed on that necessarily and they're just going to buy and not worry about it and just assume it's going to be fine. But I do think the, it will cut down on the, the, the botting programs and everything that's going on with that. Where these guys know like, hey, our margins are going to be so slim on this, it's not gonna be worth it. Yeah, My overall point though is I like that they're trying to be proactive. I don't think this stops everything. I, I would love to see though for once the hobby respond and be like, oh, they're not sealed. We need to really cool off on what we're gonna buy. If that happens, great. I think that's, it's gonna have a limited response, but I do, I think it's important the tops is at the very least and people crap on tops and finags for a bunch of stuff. I do like, I don't think this is the end all be all greatest solution. I think it's a step in the right direction. I Think it's something they also announced. I don't know if you guys touched on this in the video because again, that's getting put in, like post production. I'm not gonna. I. I couldn't remember this. They talked about they really want to focus on breakers not breaking any more retail. They're like, we want our breakers primarily just breaking hobby skus and that's a way to eliminate this in their eyes. Again, I think that's a good thing. Like, that's less and less that's being allocated to us anyways as breakers. Again, I think there's at least some positive movement on this stuff. So I think it will cut down on the like, breakers that are buying loose boxes. But at the same time, like, if you're able to get a sealed case, they're not gonna open that case and then cut every box, I'm assuming. Yeah, I'm guessing the stuff that comes in a case is going two breakers and it's still sealed as a case of the box inside. Because they're not dealing with hobby for now. It definitely will because you're talking about hobby skews. But yeah, I do. I think it's at least a step in the right direction. I'll tell you the other thing. They addressed this recently on one of the town halls. The. The need, the active, like how they're active trying to eliminate bots. That is still, to me, problem number one. You've got to find a way to totally eliminate bots. But at least you're talking about it. It's not solved yet. I'm not sitting here saying they solved the entire problem, but you're making steps in the right direction. I do think they have to be commended for that at least. So, yeah, and I guess we'll see if it trickles down to like the retail stores like Target, Walmart, etc. I mean, like, I was researching this for collectibles on SI because I wrote about this after the show with Cuban yesterday. Basically, Target started doing this with Pokemon cards. Right. Massive pushback against that. But like, if Topps is doing it on their website, presumably, then they have the cachet to also tell Target, Walmart, etc, you have to do the same. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, card shows have been doing this for a couple years now, by the way. Like, again, to reference Nate Burns, a grand slam and other ones. If you come in and buy a Pokemon box, yeah, they're a hundred bucks, but originally they were 69.99 or whatever, you can buy it, but we cut it open, you have to rip it right here. Great. Like, I think the more people that take steps like that, the better. And I think the fact that they're at the top trying to do it, you're at least to be commended for making an effort. Yeah. I mean, more than anything, I think this is a positive step just from tops trying something. Even if it's not the perfect solution, it is at least a solution and it is clearly one that is going to have an effect on the secondary market because you know, these things aren't going to double or triple overnight now if they're unsealed, it's going to be, you know, maybe 20, 30% more on the secondary market and flippers aren't going to see that and think, yeah, this is a margin I can chase. Yeah. At some point it's just not worth it for you. So, yeah, I hope that's the I, I hope that gets the desired effect because I think that'd be excellent. I think that would be the best thing that could possibly happen. So, yeah. Thank you. I knew you had a little bit more insight on both those things, so I appreciate you jumping on. No problem. Giving us a breakdown. A couple other quick things. I'm going to wrap it up a little bit of a shorter show, although not really. Actually Adam went along. I'm just going to touch on this for just a minute. Again, the narrative and we've been lazy with it as well, of, oh well, everything is up right now. Maybe kind of be careful what you're buying or hey, maybe you should start piecing off some stuff that is up so much since you've bought it. Let me just give you the flip side of that as well. There are certain cards right now, Goats, all time greats, solid grades with great history, great track record of sales and I did want to bring a few of these up. So specifically I'm just going to mention I think I pulled up seven. One, two. Yeah, six cards. Really? The 1958 Jim Brown we talked about recently. Just to give you some exact numbers on that. Again, we're going back three years because July of 2023 things were pretty slow. Most of this stuff was kind of bottomed out there within a few months here and there. So I try to go back exactly three years. So just to give you an idea on this card, PSA6 again, I tried to pull up the first on car ladder in the compare section because it has like the most relevant sales throughout that window. So it's not just pulling one or two. So that card is sold 150 times. So 1958 PSA 6 Jim Brown rookie over the last three years up to yesterday I did it from July 8th that card is sold 150 times exactly. The starting value was 2940 bucks three years ago. Right now that card sells for 29.50. And card letter that was the last sale. Card letter has the value at 2903. No movement at all. That is arguably the second greatest football player of all time. A PSA6 is an awesome grade. The pop is 882 under a thousand. Vintage football by and large is the cheapest of all the vintage by a mile. There are a handful of cards that do anything real value. If you were ever looking for AA Jim Brown Two things. One, it has not shot up and maybe everything halts in the next three months and we stop seeing stuff top out. Maybe I don't. I think we have more Runway than that but let's just say that happens. This card never really spiked. I don't think there's going to be much of a drop because it doesn't have anywhere to go. I think there's probably more of a chance that card goes up than down over the next few months. I thought that was a good example. The other one, the 1969 tops Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Now two things working against this the hobby by and large hates big men who are not WEMBY and shooting 84 foot jumpers. And we don't like weird cards. Joe Namath is the ultimate exception to that with his Tall boy. But the Kareem Tall Boy is a weird card that has never gotten the hobby love it deserves. I would argue he's the second greatest basketball player of all time and has the greatest start to finish greatest basketball career. He's the greatest college player of all time. I get a lot of this has been repeated fun fact as a PSA 6 the same grade as the Jim Brown. Very close. Jim Brown has sold 150 times. This one sold 166 times over the last three years. The pop by the way is the exact same which I thought was funny. 882. Three years ago that car was doing 2400. Right now the last sale is 2551 card ladder value 2571. That's an increase of 6%. Nothing compared to other stuff that we've seen move. Right now he's also still living. Not to be morbid, but there's always a bump when someone an all time great a legend dies. The Card never spiked. If you were ever looking for a Kareem card, that's another one I would tell you right now. Probably a pretty good time to buy real quick. Two other cards, 1957 tops. This was the horizontal dual picture, like the face shot and the action picture on the side. You get the Johnny Unitis and the Bart Star for both of these. I pulled PSA sixes as well. Interesting. The Bart Star is worth about 2050right now. It was worth 1800 three years ago. It's up. It's up 13%. There's been 64 sales. The pop is only 4.99. It's funny to me. Unitis has double the pop almost. The the unit is pop is 976. The Bart Star, though, sells for about two grand right now. Again, up 13. The unitus sells for $885. That's actually down. That's the only one on this list that has consistently been down over the last three years. It's down 23 from 1150 to about 885 right now. It's another card if you. I'm not talking buy it to flip, although I don't think that's the worst idea. But if you were ever like, hey, that's a card I've been chasing for a long time. But I'm scared because the narrative is everything is super high. It's going to come down at some point. No, I would tell you, if that's your plan, like I want a Unitus card, buy it right now. Like I both of those cards, but especially the Unitas. One other one real quick or just two more. The 1979 tops. Wayne Gretzky again, PSA 6. This one much higher pop 2356 for a pop three years ago. It's selling a 1500 right now. It's about 18 card letter has it valued at 1700. So it's up about 2017 to 20%. It sold 376 times. That's a great card. The Wayne Gretzky is not going anywhere again. He's a living legend, the undisputed goat of his sport, by the way. Not a bad time to buy that. And then here's just one because I know we talk value. Like a lot of those are expensive. Talk about one that is absolutely ridiculous and has moved 2% in the last three years. 1997 finest Tim Duncan PSA 10. His tops 97 tops. Paper PSA 10 does about 100 bucks. That also hasn't moved. Again, he's a big man. We Hate big men. He was one of the most boring players to watch. I say boring fundamental. He was not a flashy player. But he's also undisputedly the greatest power forward of all time. And I think you could make a case he's a top five. At worst, a top eight or nine player of all time. The card sells for 85 bucks. The finest the pop is 2100 so there's not tens of thousands of these things. And it's up 2%. Almost every tim Duncan card by the way, except for some really crazy low numbered stuff. Garnet's the other guy who's almost identical in terms of pricing. And just one last note about him I thought was funny. So Kobe comes out one year before Kobe. Exact same card, rookie finest PSA 10. There's 1794, so there's about 300 less Kobe's that Kobe has sold though twice as many times in the last three years. Kobe has sold 507 times. The Duncan has sold 246 times. I know it's a lot of numbers, but just bear with me. Duncan over the last three years is up 2.1%. The Kobe is up 177%. The Duncan card that sells for $86. The exact same version of that card, Kobe one year earlier. Finest PSA 1017 $50 over 20x. What the Duncan sells for I'm not sure there's a bad time to buy Duncan because he hasn't spiked, but I do think it's important. Not everything is just crazy up. And don't just be careful what you're buying right now because no, like those are some of the greatest players in the history of their perspective or respective sports. You go up and buy them tomorrow. It's great. All right, next section. Like I said, talked about just a quick little PC PC show off moment. This one's brought to you by Arena Club, one of our sponsors here. If you want to try out Arena Club, by the way, for the first time, they have a huge digital repack platform. Use the code SCN, you save 20 on your first purchase. By the way, there are some really cool features whether you're into the digital repack thing or not. Number one, you get some pretty cool cards. Number two, you can then immediately accept a buyback offer. I believe it's 90% you can put in your showroom, you can trade with other people, but there's like no hassle to it. It's all super simple. The other thing just to point out really quick about Arena Club, if You go on the homepage of their app. They have a massive marketplace of just auctions running. There's a. I believe it's a second year Topps triple threads, Ohtani like seven piece game worn patch auto that's auctioned off right now. That thing is stupid cheap. There's a few cards in there that I think right now have a really good value so you can buy your, you know, rip your packs, do your digital thing, do whatever you want. Also pay a little bit of attention to their marketplace. So anyways, this segment is brought to you by them by Arena Club. Last thing real quick. I got a couple of just mailbags PC show off one of my favorite cards. I bought this I believe 3 years ago at the Nashville card show. To Adam's point. I think it's important if you're going to buy stuff head in the heart. That's important. So Tom Brady A Name recognition PSA 10, Best Grading Company out the best return on your value. PSA10 is awesome. This is a piece of the goal post from the super bowl. The third super bowl over. I believe it's the third super bowl, right? Oh no, from the first Super Bowl. Excuse me. It's called the flashback. So it's 2005 tops. Heritage flashback relics, super bowl game use. It's a post. It's kind of a weird card. Stuff like that to me is. Is the other stuff you don't want to come in at the highest end of the market. Like hey, this, these have never sold higher. Then yeah, lay off. But when the time comes for you to buy a car that you want to put away, that's a card I never plan on selling. I paid 450 bucks or 500. I forgot to check. Yeah. So bought that three years ago. It's a pop 11. I paid. Paid 500. Card ladder values it now at 1320 bucks. I don't think the cards like that ever come down. They're not crazy expensive in the grand scheme of things anyways. And there's some cool like there's some relevance to it. It's an awesome card. Like just super bowl the provenance with it, I think it's great. All right, really quick. I did a mailbag post and I did another post. So the mailbag just really quick. Dr. Bing says tinfoil hat time tops overpaid on their case hits to set the market really high for top scrolling football at release. This drove hype and demand thoughts overpaid on their own case hits. I don't know what that means. Like tops Was Tops isn't buying their own hits. I'm not sure I follow that. I would say to that though, Doc. No, the demand was just, hey, Tops. You really saw the brand power that Topps Chrome had. That was the best thing any of us had ever seen when we were younger. And it was up and through the late 90s, early 2000s. I think people were just unbelievably excited that stuff was coming back because you've seen football products since Topps Chrome really come out way cheaper and I think we'll see that continue. By the way, I'm going to give some more credit to fanatics. I've been very critical of box pricing and the ROI on some of this stuff, especially basketball, football. But even baseball. 2026 baseball is not even close. And I can say this now because we are almost entirely sold out. I don't like to say it ahead of time and then oh, after the fact. Oh, it sucks. Well, you already sold out. Who cares? Or we haven't sold any yet. This is the greatest thing ever. We are almost entirely sold out. 2026 finest. Not even close. Best overall product of the year for any of the three major sports. Topps did an awesome job on that one. You could love them or hate them, I don't care. Tops Finest looks great. They finally nailed it with the inserts. The man, that throwback insert was cool. They got a couple other ones. Eddie pulled a Super Aaron Judge insert yesterday that looked unbelievable. The pricing to us as breakers wasn't crazy and even Wave two wasn't crazy. And so we didn't have to go to market at $8,000 a case. Hats off the Tops again for that one. Steve and I says upcoming releases for all sports. Thoughts on handling grading of numbered parallels for top top guys slash rookies like Ohtani, Dart Flag, Wemby, Mahomes. Yeah, you got to be careful, Stephen. Like again, if it's stuff long term, I still have that lot. I'm going to send this to PSA this week. We've got all that credit. I'm fine. It's going to send at the regular level. There's like 65 Ohtani rookies. I don't care if they're not back for four or five months. It's Ohtani. The PC stuff I talked about that will all get sent as well. But I had some decent Jackson Dart stuff and some Cam Ward stuff. I'm not sending that. I want that for the start of the season. So you have to be very, very careful right now grading the Timing of when you send it. Yeah, I'll do a whole big, big reveal with psa. When I get that back, I'm gonna hit Up Chef so you can help me prep the whole order. I think it's about 80 cards we're going to send off regular service. 60 or 62 or Otani rookies, there's a couple other random rookies and inserts, a couple of Griffeys. You got to be careful. Like it has to have real potential to pop or you send it to SGC or BGS if it's something you want back a little bit quicker. But again, timing matters. If it's brand new releases, I think it has to be really high dollar stuff. You just go express with PSA 4. So Jeff Howe, need an update on how close you are to completing your sign of the time set. In any other set you're close. Dude. I'm still. I've been missing the same card for the last year. Roger staubach was the second to last card. So 2001 SP authentic sign of the times autograph set. I was missing the Roger style back forever. My mom, I was bidding on this stupid card on ebay and somebody kept bidding me up and I was getting irritated so I just quit. My mother then comes and hands me the card the next week. She way overpaid for it, but it was a gift. It was a BGS910, which for that set is a really good grade. I was only missing that and now I'm missing the Terrell Davis I've been missing. I. I have still. That is one card I have never once seen in person at a card show and I've seen on eBay maybe three times over the past couple years. And it was like, oh, it's. I think it's too expensive. I'm gonna, I'm gonna wait. That's the last card I need to complete the set. I've got some super nice grades in there. Like the Jim Brown's a PSA 10. The unitis is a PSA 10. I think the Drew Breeze rookies and BGS 9, 5, 10. But yeah, if anybody, I would throw out a stupid bounty slash national experience. If somebody finds me that Terrell Davis card and brings it to me, it's the only one I'm missing. 20, 24 tops. Finest football I put together the man set. It was just a throwback. First time I did it with football. I think I'm missing Caleb Williams, Walter Payton and Malik neighbors. Nothing big. I just have been too lazy to Find them. I'm missing a couple of those. And there was Another set in first year, Topps Chrome 2024 Topps Chrome Football, the Sunday Swag set. I was doing one of every player, Gold refractor or better. The cool thing there too is I'm only missing like four or five names. I actually have. I think I have four out of the five Red Jim Kelly's. That was a little side project as well. So I started messing with that. Yeah, I need that freaking Turtle Davis though. Like that's. That card has been haunting me for years. It's. It's absolutely ridiculous. So. All right, let me hit this too. I made another post. Just really quick. What's one topic, sport player, subject, whatever that we don't talk about enough? Let me just hit a few of these. I posted these all up late, so I apologize. So Nate, your question was about the distribution of stuff. We talked about that. Sean Saito, I already answered your question. How dare you. I'll reiterate that here. Cody Scott, I'd like to hear your opinion on lower end modern day goat cards and guesses on value of base common cards long term. For example, I know people who would have accumulate 5, 000 card boxes of MJ's for a couple bucks and now they're worth 5 to 10. Yeah, I think there's still a market for that. I have, me and my brother Russ still have two and three row boxes of Griffey and Pedro and whatever. Anywhere from base to common inserts. You pay a buck a card. Who cares? Those things, you can always sell those for a buck or two. I think it's a great play and it's fun. Again, I'm a nerd for this stuff. Still. I'll break out that box and flip through three dollar cards once every two months. Or if Russ comes down or somebody I know is here who likes cards, I absolutely love it. So yeah, I'm all about that play. Derek Mays spend more time discussing the actual game and how steroid era players are not receiving their due. From the Baseball Writers association for the hall of Fame. I would assume other sports card collectors have a similar feeling since they're not scared to spend high end. Yeah Derek, it's a weird subject. My thought has always been I assume Everybody in the 90s and early 2000s cheated and use steroids. So if you were great, all things are equal. Everybody's cheating so it's an even playing field. If that's the case, it was great. I give a little bit of difference to players who actually tested positive. I think Manny Romero should have to wait a few years. Which he has a rod. Should have to wait a few years. But like Barry Bonds never tested positive. I know he was using. I think everybody used. Vaughn should be. And by the way, there are steroid guys in the hall of Fame now. Like, there's no question. You cannot tell me some of those guys didn't use steroids. Bond should be in the hall of Fame. Roger Clemens, you could argue seven freaking Cy Young. 350. Oh, I just brought this up. 354. He has one win less than Greg Maddox. He's like 10th all time. He should absolutely be in the hall of Fame. Sammy Sosa should be in the hall of Fame. A rod at some point should be Manny. All these guys. And yeah, that's where there's, there's kind of like that separation. Some of those guys I just named have a huge following. Barry Bond signing again over the last couple years has been awesome. We don't care that he's not in the Hall. I also think it's cool though that at some point we'll see them get in and when they do, I think the hobby value will take a huge turn at that point and have massive upside. But yeah, I agree. I think they should absolutely be in. You also benefited off of what happened. Like if the 1998 season doesn't happen. I was in the seventh grade, sixth grade, we were trading Sammy Sosa, Luis Gonzalez. Talk about a forgotten name from that time. And Mark McGuire cards at school every day. I mean, kids were coming out of the woodworks who didn't even like cards and bringing in those cards and trading it for extra Tater Tots or trading it for other cards. The popularity of the sport today is still like that to me. I really feel like saved baseball. And so, yeah, I think the fact you profited off it so much, the popularity, at some point you just come out with a blanket statement like, hey, you know what? And. But Seal League, by the way, is in the hall of Fame, which is a joke. I would love to see them come up with a blanket statement. Hey, we were way too lax. We encouraged this derelict behavior. We understand. These guys were a major piece of the history of our sport though they deserve to be in hch. Talked about UFC cards. Wish we talked about it more. You know, somebody recently made a video about this with soccer too. At some point we probably should have some people release some semi long form videos on those subjects that we don't want to talk about. But, yeah, I don't know. I'm with you. I just don't. Yeah, it's tough. I hate talking about stuff I don't care about, because then it's like, why you trying to pump or shill stuff you don't care about? But Shep Thomas, how each one of us could have gone pro if one unchangeable thing wasn't a barrier. I don't know what that means. If I was taller, I would have been an Ethel receiver. Best hand you've ever seen. Your life. Chef Thomas. Jeff Howe. Yeah, we talked a lot about the origin story with Shep. He's awesome. Craig Smoleen. What are the short and long term values of niche sports? Disc golf, pro tour cards. I think of, like, pickleball stuff took off. I have no idea, though. I don't know if that's all just a fad for the hobby or if that's ever gonna have any staying power. I really don't know. Matt. Rookie L ring. I'd imagine many would find your diet and workout routine to be inspirational. Yeah, Matt. Neither me or Jesse. You're in the best shape of our life. I can guarantee you two things. I could outlift you, and I'll play you at any sport. And that's coming off a torn calf. So any day, sweetheart, if you'll be in Chicago, set it up. Happy to embarrass you publicly. Brian Boyer. Talk about mega stores that keep opening around the country that apparently can get unlimited allocation. Oh, I will talk about this, Brian. He referenced Jeff in. In Card Vault. I talked to the cardboard guys. They don't have unlimited allocation. Jeff does not have unlimited allocation. If you go to his stores. Yeah, that's just not true. They get large amounts of allocation. Sure. But there are other stores that are not nearly as well known that get just as many cases. It's. That's another one of these narratives, I think is partially a myth. I really do. I mean, they. It's been probably a year or two now. FNAX talked to us off the record a little bit now. It's gonna be on the record about potentially licensing out the name sports cards. Nonsense. To start building, like, national stores. But the same thing. Like if we opened a store here in Nashville. That was our first question. What kind of support. Yeah, you'll get an account. It's not unlimited. Like, based on the market of where you are, based on your location, based on what your GMV is and what you're doing. That's how we'll determine allocation. Just like anybody else. So yeah, it's not true that just everybody has these unlimited allocations because they have a big name. And then Stevie K. Does the Jason Tatum market change after the Jaylen Brown trade? It has not yet. There's been no movement. I've still got 15 to 20 rookies from cheap PSA10s to some autograph. I think I still have a PSA10 Prism auto. It hasn't moved much yet. I don't know when it does either because I think they're gonna have a good regular season. I just. Tatum is not ever going to be a hobby darling. Like he didn't have a huge spike when they won the championship. I don't think he ever will. So yeah, I'm not super, super sure there. Anyways, that's pretty much the show. One big thing though, I do want to make sure we spend just a minute on this is not a promotion of the show and for us alone. But the V Foundation in partnership with ESPN is working with ebay live. So tomorrow night, Friday night, July 10th, we're going to start at 6:00 Eastern. We're doing the Jimmy V. Foundation or the V Foundation charity show. So every card that we sell on our ebay live show tomorrow night 25 right off the top goes to the V Foundation. ESPN and the V Foundation sent me an autographed authentic Fanatics jersey. Stupid Joel Embiid. Don't bid because you like the jersey. Please bid simply because you want to donate to cancer. But we're going to random or excuse me, we're going to auction that off. A hundred percent of that sale will go. And then talk about unsung hobby heroes. He's a weirdo. And I've been friends with this guy for years now. Great dude. Chris Keller. Top shelf breaks. Yeah, top shelf. I'm pretty sure it's top shelf. Chris is a great dude. A lot of you guys know him. He's roughly somewhere in the Chicago area. Been in the hobby forever. He's been a breaker longer than I have. Great dude. He literally sends me a message today. I got this a few hours ago today, Thursday morning. He had lost a family member to cancer. He wants to overnight some stuff for us to sell. So anything we sell for him, same thing. 100 of that will go to the V Foundation. So pretty awesome. Cause I would say tomorrow night make an effort to actually be there. EBay Live July 10, 6:00 time. Should be pretty cool. Then we're gonna random off. I keep saying random. We're gonna auction off some wax. Totally. 100 of that will just go. That's from me and Eddie. So it's a pretty awesome event. So we'll do that tomorrow night. And that's it. That's your show. Hopefully Jesse's back next week. Like I said, he's been dying this week, man. I think he canceled Hobby Hobby nonsense. I think he's in pretty rough shape. So hopefully he is back amongst the living by next week. Next week is the lead up to Fanatics Fest. I'm not sure what our schedule will be, but you'll have plenty of content leading up to and then at the show. So there you go. Thank you guys for hanging out. See you Monday. Goodbye. Hi, Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile. Are you looking for a beach read this summer? May I suggest your big wireless bill? It's got suspense, mystery, a slightly flat, flat emotional arc, and a shocking twist where you realize you've been overpaying the entire time. Fortunately though, Mint's story is better. Every plan, $15 a month, even unlimited. That's it. Happy ending, zero tears. Give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch upfront payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months or $180 for a 12 month plan. Required $15 per month equivalent taxes and fees. Extra initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes. Me slow when network is busy. See terms.