Nick Barton/MeanDaddy Cards "Giving Back to the Community" E389

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So excited for that, got a great guest. I read about this guest or heard about this guest and what he was doing with, with some shows and, and kind of what he was about. Did not know him whatsoever. I've gotten to know him a little bit since having them, you know, recording this conversation with him. But he's doing things, you know, if you know what I do for my nine to five, if you will, I work with special education as a teaching assistant. So you know, kids on the spectrum and, and that sort of thing I'm very familiar with. And this gentleman is doing a show and he, and this is not all he's doing, but it's the one thing that stood out. He's doing a show believed to be the first show ever geared towards, you know, folks with disabilities and things that make it tough to go to a regular show, if you will. So his name is Nick Barton. He goes under the, the business name or, or DBA as Mean Daddy Sports Cards. And he's the furthest thing from mean. And, and if you listen to the episode you'll find out where the mean daddy actually came from. But he's not mean. He's actually doing some great things in the hobby and, and you know me, I always like to highlight and spotlight that as much as possible. So I reached out to Nick, he agreed to come on and this week and next episode we will have that those conversations which I think you'll find enjoyable. So with that being said, let's get the show started. 3, 2, 1, 0. All right. Real excited to have the guest on in the sports card nation guest line that I have. He's doing some big things and he's doing some big things with kids in mind and that's really important to me as someone who got started in the hobby as a 7 year old kid many, many moons ago. Scary to say, but it is what it is. But I'm happy to be joined by Nick Barton, Mean Daddy Cards. Welcome, sir. Hey, thanks for having me, John. Appreciate it. Looking forward to hanging out. Yeah. Again, thank you. I know you're a busy guy making some time for, for us. And another thank you too. I know you served this country in the military, so thank you for your service there as well. Hey, thank you for your support. I appreciate that. Thank you. So, you know, anytime someone first comes on the show and, and you know, I have people back on, but the first time anyone's on, I know it's kind of our standard startup podcast question, like when and, and how did the hobby start? All right, that's a great question. Yeah. So I started out as a collector really, really young, probably like four or five. My grandfather was big into collecting, as was his father, my great grandfather. So my grandfather used to bring me like. Yeah, I don't know if you remember Kmart or if there was a Kmart in your area, but there was a Kmart near our house. My grandfather used to get Blaster boxes from Kmart once in a while and bring them over and I always loved opening them and I loved looking for like Phillies players, Eagles players that we watched together on tv and that was one of the many things we bonded over. And then he started passing some stuff down to me. I have like a autograph football by the first Eagles team to ever go to a Super Bowl. I have a Peyton Manning football, I think behind me here from his draft day. So stuff like that, that, that was really special and not only cemented that bond with my grandfather, but also just my love for collecting and the hobby and sports and that's, that's how I got started. Yeah, and I love that for me it was my grandfather as well. I'm in New York City, kid, originally now in Syracuse and you know, going to that corner store and I like you, I was a sports kid and so I knew about sports and then I learned like, hey, they, they make these athletes and players on, on cardboard cards and the rest is history. You know, as, as a seven year old kid in 1979, with 1979 tops back. You know, I think the fourth or fifth card in was a Reggie, and. And the rest is history. And so, you know, I love those family bonds and the nostalgia aspect of it. I know you have two young kids of your own. Are they old enough to. To participate in the hobby at this point? Yeah. So my. My son's 4, and he has started. They started out with Pokemon, so I'm. I'm learning. Well, I guess relearn. I collected them when I was a kid, too, because I was a kid in the 90s, early 2000s, so I collected them, and now I'm getting to do it again with him, which is really awesome because I get to see the joy in his face. He loves opening packs, and he's just. He's funny. He loves to Chase Charmander and Charizard. Those are his two favorites. So it's a lot of fun just getting to see him kind of live that. And I'm getting to live it now as the. As the father. You know, I already lived it as a kid, obviously. And then my daughter is nine months old. She's not quite ready yet, but she does, like, chew on cards occasionally so she can get her hand on. Yeah, my dog likes to do that. My son's 26, so he doesn't do that anymore. But. No, that's. That's funny. But, yeah, and. And I. Again, you know those stories of. Right. Sharing the hobby with loved ones, whether it be sons or daughters, you know, grandsons, uncles. It really. You know, maybe. Maybe stores are similar, but they're not always exactly alike. So you can correct me if you're wrong. I know you kind of touched on it already kind of when you started, when you a kid, you were pretty much, like, heavy into, like, the. The local. Like your Philly heroes. Yep. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just. I was gonna say, I always. Yeah, I always collected, like, local Philly guys. I actually. So my grandfather is kind of, like, bad from a kid from Philly, but, like, my grandfather loved Derek Jeter, so I grew up loving to watch Derek Jeter. Just him and Chase Utley were my two favorite baseball players. And I just. I loved how hard they played. There was never. They never took a day off. They played every game. They put their bodies on the line. They. You know, I just. I loved how they played the game, and I always tried to emulate that as a kid and for as long as I could play sports, Obviously, I was not a pro athlete, so didn't quite make it there. But but yeah, I used to collect like Jeter cards. Mickey Morandini was one of our favorite players. I love Brian Dawkins. Yeah, so a lot, a lot of Philly heavy players with a couple other guys mixed in that we just, we love to watch whether they were, you know, a lot of them just hard nosed guys, not necessarily hall of Famers, but yeah, I think it shows, you know, probably a little bit of your own personal work ethic, that work ethic that you, you gravitate towards guys like that who, you know, hustle, play in, play out, don't take days off, maybe even play hurt where others wouldn't. Right. I'm, I, I, I feel that I'm, I'm like that myself. And you know, it's a different error now, right? Especially when we look at like the NBA with, with load management and, and I think, you know, with like someone buying tickets, you know, a dad buying tickets, let's say to take his son to a Lakers game to see like LeBron before he retires here and, and he took a night off, right. And for what that night might cost with tickets and travel and, and all that that goes along with it, right. We didn't have to worry too much during our error. Even though I'm a little older than you, but even during your error coming after mine, right? These guys, a lot of them or most of them played as long as, you know, as long as they, they could get on the field or the court, they played. And that error is sort of getting that error in that mentality is sort of kind of. We're seeing less of it in today's day and age. It is what it is. But you know, I appreciate whether it's slots or live dealers, Spinquest.com has the fun and action you're looking for with Spin Quest exclusives. Blackjack, roulette, baccarat and even live dice with craps and bubble craps. The games never stop so you don't have to. And right now, new users get $30 coin packs for just 10 bucks. Play now@spinquest.com Spin Quest is a free to play social casino void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. And Doug, there's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual. Even if it means sitting front row at a comedy show. Hey everyone, check out this guy and his bird. What is this your first date? Oh, no. We help people customize and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual together. We're married, me to a Human him to a bird. Yeah, the bird looks out of your league anyways. Get a quote@libertymutual.com or with your local agent. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Kind of the era I grew up with where that wasn't so much the case as we see it now. So I get the Jeter thing even like you said, being a Philly guy and even, even me being a New York City kid, you know, I had players that weren't Mets or Yankees, let's say that I was fans of, you know, even, even growing up like, you know, a guy like Ken Griffey Jr. Was a guy I, I followed a lot. Just not necessarily Mariners fan, but just a guy would run through a wall, play defense and, and could hit right five tool, uh, could run especially pre injuries and just had fun playing the game right hat backwards, blowing bubble gum bubbles and you know, just, you could tell like he probably would have did it for free if there wasn't a paycheck involved. And you know, as we both know, you know, play during an era where steroids and, and you know, performance enhancing drugs became an issue. But yet his name was never mentioned. He was never in any allegations. And when you look up the, his numbers, Nick, for what he did during that error, all natural mo, you know, like even. All the more impressive to me. So to this day, like even as a show dealer, you know, I always try to pick up Griffey cards to have available. I think he's one of those guys that still transcends. I can go from one error to the next. And, and even, even kids today, even though most of them still know who Ken Griffey Jr. Is, even though they may not have been alive during this active year. So I appreciate guys like that. So I get it. You can go off your favorite team if, if you admire a player for whatever reason, you know, I, I kind of mentioned Griffey, but for there's really no wrong reason. If, if it moves, it moves your meter. So I, I get that. You know, to talk about the nostalgia factory, right? You talked about, you know, with your, you know, grand, your grandfather and now with your own kids and doing shows. Right. We'll get into that even a little bit more. But sometime I think, you know, the older, the older folks in the hobby, we most likely were introduced to the hobby by someone older, whether it be a relative, a friend, what, whatever the case may be. And I still think that happens. I don't think that's a lost start, but I think it's less prevalent now because of Some dollar signs and maybe people in there for different reasons. But I love that nostalgia part of the hobby where, you know, I remember 1979 in those first three packs of 79 baseball. Kind of talk, talk about, you know, with your own family and then now as a dad yourself, you know, the importance of that. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think that actually, you know, I want to say one thing first you mentioned, just to touch back on that real quick, you know, like obviously I grew up in Philly and you know what, we were all still running around with our hats on backwards trying to emulate his beautiful perfect swing and you know, blowing bubblegum. Like he affected kids across the country. Yeah. And I think that's, that ties in with the nostalgia. And some of these guys, you know, all those guys are my age now, you know, we have kids and they have their, you know, they have their favorite players and stuff like that. But I think that it's, it's really cool how, you know, people don't realize that these athletes can really change people's lives. And then as far as the nostalgia with the collecting goes, I mean that's one of the big reasons I started this. I've always loved collecting. I knew that when my, obviously my son's older than my daughter. When my son got old enough, hopefully he'd like it too and I would introduce him to that. But I also had a lot of other friends and people that are my age that are having kids. Some neighbors and their kids were, you know, interested in Pokemon or whatever and some, some people collected as a kid and stop. Some people opened Pokemon cards and they were a kid and then never touched them again. Mom threw them out or whatever. And I was getting a lot of questions because people knew that I've always collected and stuff like that. And you know, the first thing you do if you go on Instagram and Google, you know, sports cards or card collecting, you're going to see twenty thousand dollar deals, forty thousand dollar deals and the average person is going to look at that and say, yeah, this is, I can't find it. Like, I don't have that kind of extra money laying around. And that's just not the case in my opinion. You don't have to, you know, there's, I don't even like that's not my lane. I like to collect guys that I like and car. Like for example, I love Stadium Club. I think they're some of the best looking baseball cards and I know they're not worth the most, but I don't care I think the photography is great and yeah, we're, we're really cut from the same clock. Not to cut you off, Nick. Like, Stadium Club's one of my favorite brands of all time too. Just like you said with the photography and the gloss and it's just, you know, much like the, the name implies. Right. Stadium Club, you feel like with that photography you feel like, you know, you're at the game with a lot of the action shots and the close ups and that sort of thing. So yeah, I echo, I echo that Stadium Club sentiment, but sorry to cut you out, but I definitely wanted to wave that pennant too with you. No, hey, I'm glad there's, there's other Stadium Clubbers out there. There's nothing like hitting like a members only or something. They're so fun to hit. Yeah, first day issues. Like it's, it's well put and I'm glad it's still around right in, in the time where we're seeing some brands, you know, be discontinued and now, you know, with, with the licensing and all that Stadium Club has, has kind of stood the test of time and I'm glad to see and they, you know, they made some minor changes. Changes with it, Nick, but it's really pretty similar to the Stadium Club we grew up on. Yep, absolutely. Yeah, I, I'm a huge fan of, of that particular like set. I just, I really love everything about it and some of the photography is amazing. Like the, specifically one of the newer ones people might have seen is the Vladi Guerrero Jr. With the Toronto like Space Needle in the background. Yeah, that's just, that's cool. There's so many cool, cool ones with that. But yeah, I mean a lot like I said, I grew up to never had anything to do with the value of the cards. Like I wanted to collect players that I liked and like halftime, I didn't even know if it was a rookie card or like I was just excited if I got a Mickey Morandini card or you know, whatever. And I, I want people to be able to experience that, both parents and children. And I don't want people to be discouraged because they feel like they can't afford it. And that's, like I said, that's one of the big reasons why I started Mean Daddy Cards. I just figured it could be a good place to hopefully encourage others to kind of join this awesome community that has done a lot for me in my life to completely honest. And yeah, I just, I, I wanted to let people know, have a place to go to when they Go out on Instagram or whatever to see that like you can, you know, go to a card show for the. I mean if you, we give away a lot of tickets to card shows. Like sometimes you can go for free and then you can take a 20 bill to a card show and have a blast hunting value bins and stuff like that. It's not, it's not about the monetary value of the card. Find people that you and your child like to watch on TV in real life or you know, maybe someone that was special to you growing up as a kid, like a Ken Griffey Jr. And that could be the way that you introduce your child to who Ken Griffey Jr. Is. There's just, there's endless possibilities with that. Yeah, no doubt. Very well said, Nick too right. For everybody expensive Ken Griffey Jr. Garden and there are expensive Kendrick and I'm using him as example because we're both talking about them. You can buy Ken Griffey Jr. Cards for a dollar. There are Ken Griffin, your cards, as you just said, in value boxes, in dollar boxes. So not Every Ken Griffey Jr. Card is, is unobtainable. And you can get even. Even. You know, everyone thinks about the 89 upper deck, right? His 89 FLIR, his 89 donors radio rookie can be had for, for between three and seven bucks at some shows. So even, even a young kid who's getting into Griffey or learning about them or through a relative or a friend that's let them know about them even they could still get a rookie card. In this particular case with this particular athlete. So you are listening to the Sports Card Nation podcast. We'll be right back. Break. Iron Sports Cards is your number one source for all your PSA and other grading submissions. 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Even if it means sitting front row at a comedy show. Hey everyone, check out this guy and his bird. What is this, your first date? Oh, no. We help people, customers, and save on car insurance with Liberty Mutual together. We're married. Me to a human, him to a bird. Yeah, the bird looks out of your league. Anyways, get a'@libertymutual.com or with your local agent. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. You know, I, I know that's a big topic in the hobby that, you know, the pricing and what things are going for are sort of pricing kids out of the hobby now. I agree it doesn't, I think there's some truth to that. But, but still, if a kid really wants to, to enjoy the hobby, there's ways to do it. Much like you said, you know, bargain bins, dollar bins. I know myself as a dealer, Nick. I, I usually have free packs with me at every show. A kid comes up to my table. I try to give them a free pack when I have them available. And so there's always, I never, and I hope it never happens. But the hobby, I think can be enjoyed by everyone. It's just different ways to do it. I'm kind of touched. I know you talked a little bit about it already with, with the bargain boxes and things, but you know, as a dad, like you said, a nine year old, and, and doing shows, you know, what are ways where a kid can still participate, be active in the hobby and does, you know, and you know, we talk about those five figure deals and six figure deals, you know, and people like to talk about them. But like you said earlier, it's really a small percentage of the overall hobby. Right. Might make, it might make more news and more, more noise in the kitchen, but it's probably, you know, 10% of the hobby, maybe even less. We just hear about it a lot. So for someone like yourself that as a dealer, as a dad of, of a kid that collects, what are what, you know, if someone asks you, hey, what advice would you give? Or for my son or daughter to still participate in the hobby, you know, we're on a, we don't have a ton of discretionary income, so how can we do it? Like how, how would you answer the question? I know we mentioned bargain bins and stuff like that. But even in addition to that, yeah, I think there's a lot of ways. One of the things you mentioned, as a vendor, I do the same thing. I have packs that I, that I give away for free when I can. I also, I started to give away like just individual cards to people as the kids as they come up. So it was like their first card show, whatever. And the hobby community, some people have been buying my table, at my table to overhear that. And I've had people just donate cards and say, hey, give this to the next kid that comes up. And I literally now have a huge stack of cards. And when kids come up, I say, hey, you know, what team do you like? Or, you know, take a look at these cards and pick a card so you can remember your first show, stuff like that. I think that all of us as a whole can help these kids and give cards to them just to help start their collection. The value bins obviously are a good option. One thing I would tell parents specifically is when kids are getting in, don't make it be about value, make it be about the card. I like the photography, I like the special jersey they're wearing. They're wearing a city connect jersey instead of a regular one or whatever. Find cards that are in your budget but also meaningful and maybe even rare because there are rare cards that are not that expensive of players, great players and not so great players. And really like the, the hunt to me is fun. It really means a lot more when like you really had to put in a lot of work to track down a certain card at a certain price. You know, you go and get it. And I would also say don't worry about greeting. You know, obviously a PSA 10 is worth more than a non anything, anything else. Pretty much like a black label. But I don't like, you don't have to get pristine. Like, just because somebody says this car is pristine doesn't mean that that's gospel or that's law. You know what I mean? So I think like those things are definitely a good way. I think that the one thing where people would say kids are getting priced out is tough as with just the prices of the car, like the packs on open sealed wax and. But part of that is too is that they do make sets that are, that are cheaper to acquire, like score football, for example. So it just depends. I mean, I think if you make it less about what the value of the cards are and more about the player or some special reason that, you know, like some, some Cards have celebrities in the backgrounds, butchers and stands or whatever. So, you know, just find, find something that's meaningful. And if you collect things that are meaningful, you'll never get tired of them and you don't have to worry about what the value is because they mean something to you. Yeah, no doubt. And well said. And, and you know, even hearing you talk about that, I've done that too, right. Or a kid will, will come with a parent and you know, they're looking and I'll be like, you know, who are you looking for? Anything in particular? And the kid might, hey, my favorite player, so and so. And you know, I'll find a card somewhere in my inventory and hand it to them. And you know, sometimes it'd be like, how much is it? And I'll be like, no, I'm. That's, that's my gift to you today. And you know, enjoy the hobby and that sort of thing. And it doesn't look like you like, you know, I know I'm preaching to the choir here, Nick. It doesn't obviously hurt me and that could be the difference. Not to be dramatic, but those kind of moments can be the difference whether that young person like stays in the hobby or doesn't. Right. And pays it forward as they get older and stay in the hobby and, and have more discretionary income as, as they get older and they can pay that forward as well. I love to do that as much as I can. I think we're seeing more of that. I think some of that is contagious. Another point you made, which I think is a good one, I think it's on the card manufacturers and especially tops and fanatics now with holding three of the four major sport license right to still make products that are affordable to the younger collectors that may not have the money of an older person who has a job. And, and you know, even, even, even those folks are having sometimes purchasing some of these, these wax products as they go past four figures or even in some cases five figures with some of your higher brands like Transcendent and, and those, those sort of things. So I, I hope they keep making those products where kids not only making them though Net2 is, is making sure that they're not going to that secondary, as much as they can control that not going to that secondary market and keeping them affordable even on, on that level, you know, almost like srp and really we don't want to see this selling for more than this. And you know, I know breaking is a big thing in the industry. I've off. I've said it numerous times for many years. Right. It's probably saved the wax industry for. There was a point where wax was not selling like we know it today and some things were collecting dust. Those that doesn't even occur anymore because anyone will people buying the brakes for bowling cards or corn. Like nothing doesn't like really not sell along as a price point. Makes sense. So you know, I like to see even maybe more breaks. You know, I know some people might say this is sacrileges, but really cheap ones where kid can sort of get that same, you know, adrenaline rush and not break the bank. But again, nothing beats opening the pack right yourself and seeing those cards in, in your own hand. I don't, I don't think anything will replicate that. So I think some of that, as you pointed out is on the, the card manufacturer to, to maintain that. Yeah, definitely. I mean I agree with it about like just having the cards. There's something having the cards in your hand, opening the packs. I remember doing it as a kid even with like buddies. We'd get a couple dollars, get in a ride to the, you know, the cart local card shop and get a couple packs and that was always a blast. I think that's an important thing. You know, go, go to your local card shops and see just talk to the guys that are in there and look, most card shops have, you know, dollar boxes in there as well as sealed wax from every level and price point pretty much. And you can get what works for you and, and get to open some packs. I mean the, the joy of opening a pack is up, up there for me for sure. Yeah, I, I, I've said it. You know, to me it's, it's how I got started again. 1979 with three 79 tops baseball packs and. Right. Just never knowing what might come out of that pack. And, and listen, I'm old enough where I, I started when there was no parallels and colored cards and beam teams and kabooms and downtowns. Right. It was just base cards and, and rookie cards and you know, growing up in New York at that time, Reggie Jackson was like the toast in New York, Mr. October. And you know, pulling that card in the first pack, like the fourth or fifth card in and I was hooked. The rest is, is the history. You know, every, if I got, you know, any allowance I got, I went to that store and bought those packs and you know, there's something to be said to, you know, yeah, you can buy stuff online, you never have to leave your house Ebay and other selling platforms. But nothing can replace the in per. I always say this and I, I think you agree, Nick. Nothing can replace that in person transaction, whether that be at an LCS or a card show, right, where you have those conversations where you can learn something from somebody. And that's both ways. I learned stuff from somebody and then I maybe be able to teach someone something that they didn't know. Right. And, and we're always learning, right. And I don't care how long you've been in the hobby, and in my case, over 40 years. I, I learned something about the hobby every day. And much like you said, I don't, I don't deal in Pokemon Pokemon cards, but just from being at the shows and talking to the kids, and not even just kids, but even older people, I've learned a lot about Pokemon cards. I'm, you know, nowhere as knowledgeable as people collect them, but I know more today than I did two, three years ago or further back. So, you know, you don't get that. But you know, at home, behind the computer necessarily, there's something about that in person, right? And if you're buying a card, right, seeing it right there in front of you, to look at it and not looking at a picture on the screen and hope that's the same card you get and there's no funny business going on. So nothing will, to me, nothing will ever replace, you know, if I have a choice of buying the same card or opening the same pack, you know, in person or online, it's. It's going to be in person all the time, right? You just can't, you can't replace those social interactions and in person, you know, socialization. And I think, I think it's important that we don't lose sight of that. Maybe I'm the old man on the porch because that's all we had when I started. There was no Internet in 1979 and, and obviously no social media and no online platforms like we see today. And I'm glad I kind of got my. I appreciate what we have now, but I'm glad that I, I didn't start in there because I think you appreciate it more because of that. So I mean, as a show guy and, and you know, talk about sort of that in person versus, you know, because of much of what I just talked touched on. Yeah, definitely. I mean, so many things are. I. So I got to catch the tail end of the no Internet era, you know, obviously the 90s and stuff like that. So I have some memory of It. But no, nothing beats the input and like that. The community is part of this, right? Getting to meet new people. I mean, I've met so many awesome people just like that were randomly assigned a table next to me and we just hit it off, started talking and that's been amazing. We had a guy that we gave, he won one of our contests for giving away tickets to a show and he ended up coming to show and coming up to my table and we were talking, he said, yeah, you know, I've. I've always wanted to come to a show, but this many people, you know, I feel overwhelmed and anxious. But I figured that, like, hey, you know, I got these tickets for free, like let me go try it out and if I don't like it and nothing, nothing lost. And he's like, I'm having the best time. Like this is going to be something that I do regularly now. And that to me that's so important. I never want to be the reason that any person, a kid or an adult says, you know what? That guy was a bad experience. I never want to come to a card show. I want to be the complete opposite of that. I want people to have a good time and enjoy it and see that there are good people. There's plenty of good people in the hobby and every everywhere. Right. There's good and bad people everywhere. But I want to try to be someone that, you know, props up the hobby in this community and wants more people to join it, feel welcomed and enjoy the ride that it is. Yeah, well said. And I agree. And there is just some right being and it does. It's not even just applies to the hobby, Nick. But no matter what different hobbies you're in or even, even in work forces, right. Being in the room with people who kind of share the same passions or likes that you have. Right. It's is you feel like you're in the same fraternity. You can't get that when you're in. You can a little bit. I don't want to fully throw it out there out. But being, you know, being in that same room at a card show, being in that lcs with fellow customers and the proprietor. Right. Again, loving having people on doing, you know, I'll say it, extraordinary things in the hobby. We didn't touch much on that during this half of the conversation. But next week, part two, we're going to talk about the special show that Nick and mean Daddy sports cards are putting on. And it's, you know, going to be the first one of its kind. I'LL I'll tease you with that, but great guy. Glad he made some time. He's a busy, busy man. Doing a lot of different things too. So Nick Barton will have part two next week. Let's get our hobbies or people announcer of the week and come down the home stretch and wrap up this week's episode. Time for our hobby is the people announcer of the week. Hey, it's Chris Carlin, formerly from Upper deck, now with collectors. Remember, the hobby is the people. If you'd like to be the hobbyist, the people announcer of the week, do a WAV or MP3 file and send it to sportscard nationpcmail.com say good night, Kane. What's up baby? It's Bretzky. 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