Sports Card Hobby Nostra-Dylan Was RIGHT - Turn Back The Clock With Splendid Sports & DoubleD Vintage Baseball Cards

Welcome back to Turn Back the Clock on the Sports Card Clubhouse. Dylan. Double D vintage baseball cards. Dylan. This is actually the longest running show of all the shows on the Sports Card Clubhouse. I just wanted to mention that up front here. Dude, it's like they forget that we exist. We almost never get mentioned. Turn back the clock. It's like, I get it. We're on like once a month. But you know what? Yeah. We are the oldest. We're like in the OG couple right here. I love it. Yeah. And I got a very. You didn't know too much about what's going to happen here on this episode. I planned something pretty fun. And what we're going to do is actually a couple things, but one we're going to do first. We're going to turn back the clock to a Turn Back the clock. Our first one where you. Well, I won't spoil it, but you gave some strong opinions and we're going to revisit those because the episode we're going to go back to is from December of 2022. So what's that? Three and a half years? Three and a half years ago. So this is going to be fun. But yeah, I want to mention up front, I want to mention welcoming Jeremy Lee. Sports car is live to the Sports Card Clubhouse team here. So it's very exciting. He put out his. When we're recording this. I'm not sure when we'll put this out. Maybe in a day or two. But he put out his first episode of the Hangover, which I already watched. It was very good and awesome. Thumbnail. Very cool. So I want to welcome Jeremy in and Dylan, let's get going here. Okay. So, yeah, let me say something real quick. Jeremy. Dude, I'm super stoked he's on there. I think that's a great idea for a show too, because they touch all these topics. I haven't listened to the show. I'm assuming it's the sat. They talk. Anything that strings a bell, like hits a bell on Saturday. They're going to continue on this show is my thought. But either way, I'm really excited for another show I could put in my ear. I get, like, bummed when there's not something to listen to as obviously I listen to way more than I watch. It's just I like to do things while I listen to friends and anyone talk about collecting in baseball cards. So, yeah, welcome, Jeremy. Even though I'm not part of it, I'm excited for you. So rock and roll. And who knows, maybe it will be at some point. We're always mixing and matching here, so we'll see. Yeah, Dylan. So let's, let's set the stage here. So we started Turn Back the Clock. I hadn't gone back, but yeah, we. Our first episode, you and I, December of 2022 and wow, here we sit. May, as you know, today is May 20, 2026. So three and whatever half years later we've probably done, I would think at this point, over 50 episodes of turn Back the Clock. Probably even much more than that, but well over maybe 60. Yeah, yeah. And you know, hopefully we can make, you know, maybe we can make this like every two weeks now, if that, if that could work with you. I know it's, I'm way 6 o' clock in the morning your time right now in Hawaii, so. Yeah. But it works out because my wife goes to workout class like almost every day and then we surf after she gets back. So for me, I have way more free time now in the morning, which is crazy, even more than the afternoon, which is normally the opposite. So it works out. I love to do this every two weeks. Yeah. And I'm a middle of the day guy, you know, it's whatever, one one o' clock my time. So that's when I like to do these. So I really appreciate you helping me out and working around that. Yeah. So, okay, our first episode, now when we started Turn Back the Clock, it was funny because I had a lot of guys, I remember at that time, before we put out the first episode, they knew it was going to be called Turn Back the Clock. They were assuming that the every episode was going to be us talking about Turn Back the Clock cards. Yeah. And it's like we, you know, that's kind of how we. One of the things we had in common early on, we both were like, we love those cards, you know, and then we're, let's name it Turn Back the Clock in honor of that. But I was like, well, no, I mean, we love those cards, but look, I don't think you can get enough content out of just those cards for, you know, a show. We used to do it maybe every week back then, you know, so. But on the first episode we did talk about those cards. So I'm gonna put a link, I'm gonna clip, I have a couple clips. But if anyone wants to go back in time and watch that first episode, I thought it was a good one. And we do talk about the cards. We, you know, highlight all the years of Turn Back the Clock cards and then like we do in a lot of these. We go into also some hobby talk, some industry hobby talk, stuff like that. And what. When we. When we made that video Again in 2022, things were on the way down in the hobby as far as, like, prices and even maybe popularity of certain things. People were leaving the hobby after that boom that happened in 2020, 2021. So it was kind of like maybe it wasn't the rock bottom of that period, but it was definitely down from where it was. And. And it felt like it was just a lot of people felt like things were just going to keep going down. And, you know, at the time, the, the thinking on, at least on like, you know, hobby media was that, you know, maybe the hobby booms every 30 years, right? Like, that was our boom. And now it's just going to be, you know, kind of the normal hobby, and then maybe we'll have another boom in like 20 or 30 years. That was kind of the popular take back then of like, well, that was it. That was the bubble. Now it's. It is what it is. But there was one man who was courageous enough to give his honest opinion. So let's give. Let's go in with the first clip. Here we go. Hopefully this works because, you know, sometimes. Sometimes I mess up, but here we go. And in sports cards, I mean, everyone thinks that that was the major boom that we had in. During COVID I think that was the beginning stages of a major boom in sports card collectibles. I don't think. I. I'm not saying that a Mike Trout rookie card is going to be worth $7,000 again or a bunch of like 6, 800 again. To me, that's absurd. And there's certain cards that were crazy, but I think this was just the beginning of people getting back into collecting. And there's phases. Just like in everything, there's different phases. And in society and like, clothing, like this fads in and it's like 80s is coming back. Bright colors are coming back. Things go in stages. I don't think we've even come close to hitting the peak collecting, like, number of collectors in the hobby that I don't think we're even close to hitting the peak yet. All right, before you, before you respond to that. Boom, I'm working. Drop the hammer. Sound effects, the clips. Look out, look up. All right. I mean, so that was pretty embarrassing. Like, I was. I was kind of scared. I had no idea what I was. That's pretty funny. I was so long ago. Well, I got four more clips by the way, so. Oh, that's amazing. During that stage, there wasn't a single person, but maybe Jeff Wilson, who was still pumping it up and like going, yeah, we're still. It's just gonna go. It's gonna go big again. Every single person thought it was over. It completely went from the top to the bot, like, crashed so hard. And I remember every single video was all about doom and gloom. Just like, it just like it goes in phases now. And everybody's talking about it's the end of the world right now, or, you know, it's not quite. It was way gnarlier then. People thought it was over then, way more than they thought. Like, we're at the peak now. Everyone thought that was it. The hobby is doomed. I remember that. And I was like, I'm like, dude, this ain't even close. That feels good, man. I'm stoked. You. You pump me up as. I remember all this stuff. I. I remember a lot of predictions that I made and, you know, I'm kind of excited to hear what other ones you have in store for us. Yeah, I mean, the. All these clips that I'm going to show here, I got four more. They're all from that same episode. Again, I'm going to link it in if you guys, you know, have some extra time. Want to go back if you never caught that, I'll. I'll link that in and actually, you know, we've said some stupid things over the years. Of course everyone does, but it's good to. You know, I feel like this is kind of a big thing because like you said, I remember back then, and I myself, you know, maybe I wasn't as negative as like a lot of people, but I definitely wasn't as like, confident in. In the hobby as. As you there. You, you, you know, had a strong opinion and you believed it and. And to a large degree, that has come true here in 2026. If you look at, you know, all the. Not all the cards, but a lot of the cards, the indexes, it's again, it's not necessarily like the Mike Trout PSA 10 that's gonna see a new record or anything like that, but a lot of these cards are even higher price now. And. And more than that, the popularity. There's just more people in the hobby now than even there was during that Covid boom, so to speak. So let's go with another clip here. The future boom, in my opinion, I'll throw it out. There is going to be high eye appeal, low grade, just it doesn't even matter the grade. High eye appeal, vintage. I don't think their day in the sun has even touched the surface yet. I think these threes and fours and fives and sixs, sixes that are out there that look better than the eights and nines that are off centered. I mean, there's so many nines that I see that are. That are. What do you call that? I call them. I used to call them crooked, but now that I'm on YouTube, it's diamond cut. You know, there's so many diamond cut. It's like. And I see a huge push that is leaning towards these low. I appeal. I mean, these high. I appeal low grades. And I think the future of our hobby is going to have a rush into vintage cards. And I think the boom that we saw, I think there's going to be a boom of vintage cards that look really appealing to the eye. And I think now's the time to focus on that. And for me, I'm selling everything I got that I don't like, love to look at now. I don't care if anyone else does this. This is my opinion and my thoughts. Yes, I love it. Unbelievable. Again, eye appeal, it's. It's stickers and eye appeal. And I mean, you were on that, man. And. Well, actually, the next clip I'm gonna mention something else, but what do you. What do you think about that? Did that. I would say that came true, right? Probably, yeah. Yeah, that, that is. Is coming true right now. We're seeing it with our own eyes. Within the last. I'd say six months in. It really has picked up the steam and you notice it. And when I did this move, I was scared. I was the only one I knew of at the time that was selling all their high grade, off centered stuff. And I put myself out there. I remember going on Mike Moynihan's golden age of cardboard for the first time. And I discussed that entire topic. And that was four years ago. And, and that was, you know, I was. I felt like, you know, I'm. I was taking a chance selling my sevens and stuff that were all centered and buying beautiful lower grade stuff. And it feels good to be right. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not here. I did not make this. I had no idea Adam was going to do this episode. He told me last night, I'm not here. I didn't say, hey, Adam, you need to go toot my horn and show everybody that this, this stuff. I said this stuff a long time ago. But I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that it doesn't feel freaking good to know that I was right on some things. And it. It does feel good. Yeah, I. I did. I. That was awesome. I'm like. I'm like, dang, dude. That's. That's like the. That was it right there. Predicting the future. Again, this was all me. Dylan's not the type of guy who's going to be like, let me take a victory lap. No, this was all me thinking about this recently. I was like, you know what? Dylan said this a long time ago. He said, basically, everything we're seeing right now, not everything, but a lot of the things we're seeing right now. Wait a minute. I remember Dylan. He was kind of. Maybe not the only one, but he was not in the majority, that's for sure. With some of these opinions now. I Appeal, right? It's not. Again, it wasn't something that was, like, invented three, four years ago or whatever, like, when Dylan was talking about it. It's been a thing for a long, long time. But, I mean, would you say that as far as the prices that a people. That people are willing to pay for the I appeal at such a large degree is. That's a newer thing, right? I. I don't think in the past people were paying this many multiples for I Appeal cards. Right? It's not even close. It's a completely different world. The I Appeal thing, when people say it's been around forever, I have a huge pushback on that. It has not been around forever. It. It. Eye appeal has. Okay, so I guess I'll put that quote in I appeal has, but the movement is different now. Eye appeal in the past was sharp corners, sharp image. That's it. Pack fresh. That was the I appeal of the past. I have so much proof on that that I was buying cards on the Pit. It's it. You literally back for like 20 years, sight unseen. And I have some cards still that I bought from the Pit sight unseen, that collectors sent in that are dead centered, beautiful copies for the grade. They would not have done that if I Appeal. Today's I Appeal was a movement back then. Back then, the eye appeal was different. And I've talked to many, many long seasons collectors like myself, who were deep in the trenches, and they. 99% of them were not looking for centered cards because they didn't really have the access that we have now. So we didn't even know how incredibly hard it was to find these dead centered cards until later on as we had more access to all these cards like we do now in the past, they didn't. So it was all based off sharp corners and pack fresh. Where once the Internet came around and things started rolling along well, this new eye appeal movement, it's super simple. It is based on centering an image quality. And I, I another pushback on the eye appeal thing that there's not really any argument with eye appeal. Everyone does want the same thing. If everyone had a choice, we'd want a PSA 10. We'd want a card that has a perfect image, dead centered and sharp corners. That's what we'd all want. So when someone says I appeal is different to me, it's like, no, we know what we're talking about here. We know what we're talking about. Whether some guy wants to pay a little less for a sharp off centered card versus someone like me who's willing to pay a little more for a dead centered card with a little less sharp corners, that's a different topic. But the eye appeal overall, that guy who wants that sharp cornered, off centered card at a discount because thanks to guys like me and I, others have made those cards cheaper because the center stuff is going up. That guy would still prefer that sharp cornered card to be centered, but he's not willing to pay the price to have a sharp cornered, centered, perfect image copy of that card. So I always push back when people are like, it's in the eye of the beholder. No, it isn't. We all want the same card. We all want the perfect looking example eye appeal. It should stay in eye appeal, centered, perfect image. Just that's what attracts, that's what is an attractive card. You know, you could talk about a, you know, a 58 Hank Aaron versus a 56 Hank Aaron. Which one has better eye appeal? That's a different conversation altogether. Eye appeal isn't so much in the eye of the beholder like it is as humans. It's always like, oh, but your wife is the most attractive person in the world to you and not to this guy. Well, cards are different. We're talking condition when we're talking eye appeal. Everybody would choose, I mean, I could almost say everybody would choose a PSA 10, 19, 54, tops. Hank Aaron. If it was the same price as a, you know, a lower grade one, we would all choose the PSA 10, perfect sharp corner, dead centered, all that jazz. So that to me, eye appeal shouldn't be an argument. It's there. It is what it is. But you know, I know I'll get a pushback. Oh, it's this. And this is what. This means so much more to me than that. I mean, I could see that side, but to me, it's. It's kind of obvious what we're talking about here when we're talking about eye appeal, the perfect image, perfect centering, sharp corners. That's the perfect card. Like, give it to me all day long. So that's what I have to say about that. And that just got me a little quick preview of Jeremy's episode today of the Hangover, which you'll catch at some point, but very. He had a really cool topic today. The title is called Deformities. And basically, without going too far into the episode, they distinguish the difference between a way a card came out of the pack, like off centered, or, you know, like a factory deformity versus, you know, a card that got dinged up after the fact in the wild, you know, through time. So for Me personally, I 100 agree on center, like price equally. The same, same exact card. Yes. Everyone. Everyone wants the centered one, right? It just depends on. Some people don't want to pay for it. Right. Some people are willing to pay for it, but at the end of the day, if, let's say they're both the same price, everything else equal, everyone's going to take that centered card. Now, for me, I. I actually do. I've come to want vintage cards, old cards that actually look kind of old other than the centering, you know, and yeah, I don't want a blurry picture, but I kind of, you know, it's really like, I've heard other people say this too, but a vintage card that's got like real sharp corners and it's like real white and stuff, I've kind of grown out, like, I don't really even want that anymore. I, I mean, so anyway, that. Without going too deep into it, but the centering, how could you argue with that? That, you know, I, I hear you there. But the kickback would be, you have three examples in front of you. All the price is exactly the same. You're gonna pick the one that looks the most packed, fresh, that's the most dead centered. You're just not gonna pick the one that is a little softer and looks a little older. Now that's just us collectors inside of us going, I like the history on the card. I like the patina on the card. That's us talking ourselves into it. And I know people like, oh, that's not it. I love the card. I really love it. I like I'll Cracker Jack card. I like the Cracker Jack cards with the stains on. I don't want one that looks like it wasn't. You know, that's obviously a specific example, but Dandy potato chips card. I want one with the stains on it. You know, I want it centered. But I might not 100% agree on that though, with you. Okay, fair enough. And I kind of see that there are always exceptions. Like now if I'm gonna sell it. Okay, this is the difference if I'm buying it and then I'm gonna sell it. Yeah, of course I'll take the one that's gonna be a, you know, a higher grade. So. But if I'm just buying to collect and not sell for many, many years or whatever, then I, you know, I, I kind of want the card that tells the story about that card. When it comes to older cards. We'll, we'll save this topic for another day because we don't want a lot. There's a lot to be said and I'm already going to get stoned in the comments, but I haven't said everything that whatever. I don't really circle back. We'll circle back on a sound, but I have another clip. You ready? I'm ready. I mean, you see the Instagram of Maddie C. Like, he isn't the reason I started this. I started this journey before I even knew he existed. You told me about him and then I started following him. I think that's the future of the hobby. I think it's going to be eye appeal based and it's going to be vintage cards and. And I think it's going to be a huge boom and I think we're going to see it. And I think even modern cards are going to have another day in their sun, which without modern collectors and without modern cards, the hobby is dead. Without flippers, without those type of people in this hobby, the hobby's dead. And you know, so it's not just vintage. You were talking about modern as well. And modern has had another boom, you know, in many aspects. And we mentioned, you mentioned Maddie C there. So he has a website now called I Appeal Inc. Have you been reached out to by anyone from that website about being on an eye appeal council or anything like that? Yeah, so I have to give Maddie C credit where credit's due. Like a year ago when he was working on this, I sent a message to him like, man, because he offered it or whatever. And I sent a message to him. He emailed me back and I never look at my emails and I saw it like a month later or something and by then I'm like, I don't. He offered for me to be part of the trial and like be a part of the whole conversation. I'm sure to be on the council at the end of it. I just realized that I don't. Dude, I can barely keep up with YouTube. I have an Instagram account not for cards and I post one. I post something like every like six months. I'm just, I try not to be on my phone, you know, Dude. So I decided, you know, I, I felt bad. I wrote them later and like I hadn't. Didn't see the email. I apologize. I just wouldn't want to be a part of it for that reason. Now I have loaded up a couple cards on there just to kind of see how it goes and I actually loaded up a PSA 8 OC, top to bottom and the way it works. I'm not going to get into the whole website right now, but I, I'm, I'm having fun on there with the cards I put on. And I was very surprised with like the 8oC top to bottom got like an A from all the council members. So they're not just looking at perfectly centered cards. There's a lot more that goes into a good looking card as we've talked about. But it's, you know, certain criterias. I'm also not ready to put on my, put up my, you know, 52 mantle bowman mantle for them to nitpick. I'm not putting up some of my favorite cards for them to be nitpicked. There's, you know, I think it's an awesome. It's free. They're giving stickers away which makes so much sense to me. I don't understand why, why we're paying guys to sticker our cards when you can get them free stickers from fanatics. You can get free stickers at Maddie C. If your card deserves a sticker, it will earn one at Fanatics. They'll earn one at Maddie C. And I think clean cheap shots or clean what? Clean. Whatever that is. Clean Sweep Auctions is doing free stickers or four sharp corners. I don't understand why anyone's sending them to Mike Baker. I mean, I understand somewhat, but that's a whole nother conversation too. But in that video, I remember now that you, you played that clip. I remember talking about the modern stuff and how I think I said back then and I don't Know if it was in that video or another video. I said it's gonna, we're gonna see another boom even bigger than those PSA 10s base cards that went to the moon. I said we're going to see different cards that are going to go to the moon. And we're seeing that right now. 100 and we're. I don't want to say the smarter collectors. I would say the smarter collecting is taking place now. But there's also dumb crap still going on like the PSA 10 Ken Griffey Jr or the PSA 1087 tops Bo Jackson or any PSA 10 base cards to me are completely absurd. And you can quote me now and come back to this later. The very first thing that's going to crumble in this hobby are the PSA 10s of crappy common cards that shouldn't be worth $10,000. When the card is worth $10 raw, those will be the first ones to crash. And what has been so fun in this last run up is that if you look at the PSA ever, you know Jeff Wilson to push him back, he was, oh, you gotta buy the high. I mean I've heard this from everyone over the years. You got to buy the highest grade example to make the most return on your money. That is so untrue, so not true. You could just take the the Kenkerville Jr. 89 upper deck as an example. The PSA was probably 50 bucks. The PSA 9 about 150 bucks. The PSA 10 $2,000 at one point. You could square those up all at one time. You could find a chart that had those all the price right there today. PSA 850. The PSA 9 what, 450 the PSA 10 five, six thousand bucks. So did the PSA 10 tripled PSA 9 what, two and a half, maybe even tripled the PSA 8 three times or one and a half times. So you're still crushing it with the PSA 8. So still crushing with the PSA 9 and you crush with the PSA 10. But the PSA 10 was the most risky because you put the most money on the table to bet on that position. So I could have to me that's what doesn't make sense where when everything does come crashing down, that PSA 10 is going to fall the furthest and it's going to hurt the Most because that $6,000 will become $2,000. Where the the PSA 8150 card. Well, go back to your $50 or $75 that doesn't hurt as a collector and I predict it now and I predicted in the past what's going to crash this market is the Pokemon market. I said it before and I and I also said it's not going to happen today. I said it's going to be years down the line. But that's what's going to make this that's what's going to crash. The hobby is the Pokemon. The TCG market will crash this hobby and you can see it now in the PSA numbers because they're controlling the hobby. They are the ones that are making PSA more expensive. They're the ones that making grading more expensive and taking longer. When those common base cards in PSA 10 when the hot when the economy crashes cards are going to crash. That's my prediction. I don't care when and I don't want it to happen but when the economy crashes cards are going to follow suit and the ones that are going to fall the furthest are the high grade base cards of common cards. So I can't wait. And I'm not saying they're not. I'm not saying they're not fun like everyone if you love 89 upper deck Griffey own one. I just think buying a PSA10 is following the sheep right off the cliff. I'm gonna be clipping this in 2030 do it and then we and speaking I have a PSA5 on the I know I'm getting a lot of comments about my top shelf there. I know it looks worse than it looks worse than it is. Don't worry get I'm in the process of getting a new board and everything but trust me it's that thing ain't gonna break. It just looks. It looks bad but anyway I have on the top shelf there I have a PSA 589 Griffey that looks just as good as any PSA 10 and I had an Instagram post I don't know now maybe it was a year ago that still gets comments and I don't know how it's still being shown I posted it a while back of where I have my the PSA 10 I sold too early. I think it's a guy named Tim and since Tim in San Francisco or something Tim Giants fan who on every video posts that I sold my PSA 10 Griffey too early and you're right I did but I still I still hit it at a good profit from when I bought it but it's doubled since I sold it But Anyway, I want in that clip. I did want to get in the Maddie C. Thing because, you know, I'm a, I'm a fan of Maddie C. I have again, like you said, I, I sent you his profile years back because I thought it was just awesome what he was doing and. But I also wanted to make it clear that, you know, you were talking about this independently before you even knew about Maddie C. So it's, it's not something that like you picked up on it. This was something that was in your head for a while before you even knew that other people were like doing things like that. Comparing cards side by side and everything like that. Dude, Natty C was my nemesis. I mean as a. I, I love, I love the guy. He, he's awesome. He was fun to listen to back then, but he's my full blown card nemesis. Back in the day is I'd be hunting cards on ebay and there weren't. Felt like there weren't a lot of us spending a lot of money on the, the centered high I appeal at the time. So the overpays were like 10, 20 over comps. I, I didn't look at comps, but I could just feel it. And if I lost a card, especially some mantles, and next day I'd see it on Matty C's Instagram, I'd be like, dude, that guy stole another one from me. So I always called him my nemesis, even though he wasn't really my nemesis. Well, I mean, speaking of mantle, I mean now every 52 mantle that you see that's for sale or for auction, Even if it's a 2, a 2 or a 1, it's going for like a hundred thousand bucks. If it's somewhat good looking, you know, it's. It's great. Wow. I don't know. I can't believe it. We should do. If I knew if I was like you and I could clip some shows to show your pickups and what you grabbed and if I just gave you all my money to buy cards, well, you just have bigger balls than me because I was, I'm a guy. I've Never spent more than 3, 300 on a baseball card. I don't know if I ever will. That, that is another episode at some point we should do. Totally. I've had that. You know. Yes. A lot of it depends on, you know, I know people that probably have without going into probably more money than me or whatever, you know, way more, but maybe they don't like to spend a lot of money on cards. And that's again, that's just. It's everyone's personal choice. If you have a smaller card budget, it doesn't mean that you like or poor. It doesn't mean you don't have money. It just means you don't like to. It's not part of what you like to do. And again, everyone's different. But to your point, the more aggressive you buy, like, the larger usually that, you know, you can lose a lot, but. But you can also, when you do win, so to speak, the wins are bigger. You know what I mean? Usually in those cases. But that's for another episode. I got another clip for you. Here we go. Like, there's. There's so much area for vintage cards to move up, and they've finally had a day in the sun. But you know what? During that boom, it was really the big cards that had the boom. The Hank Aaron rookies, the Mickey Mantle rookies, these other cards that really shot up, the Willy Mazes. They've. Some of them have settled down a little bit. As well they should, because a lot of those weren't good eye appeal and they weren't the right cards to buy. So my prediction, throwing it out there, Roll me under the bus. I don't care. This is my collection. I can do with what I can do whatever I want. Just like you guys can do whatever you want. Think however you feel my thoughts are. There's going to be a huge boom ahead in the collecting space, in baseball cards and basketball cards and football cards, everything. How's my lighting? So good. It's like I'm in a cave. Spotlight. We had some rough moments and I. I used to go, not that I'm any better. I'm underground now. But my Arizona garage, where in many cases it was like 130 degrees out there by the end. Oh, yeah. You were like, my face right red. I'm like, all right, we're gonna wrap this up or I'm gonna have a stroke. So good. I meant I like that clip because you, you mentioned, you know, baseball, basketball, football, modern cards and that. So it wasn't just like you were saying, hey, I think vintage baseball cards are just gonna have a boomerang. You were kind of saying it across the board. And have you seen what Michael Jordan car Michael Jordan cards are selling for these days? It's amazing what has happened and where we're at right now. And, you know, I didn't really know it was going to happen then. I really don't know what's going to happen. Now, but you were on it, man. You were on it with a lot of different angles on that too. If only I spent $2 million at the time. Yeah, because it. You felt that way, but you still bought what you liked, you know, and what you want. You didn't really go, well, I think Jordan card's gonna go up. You could have gone out there and bought all the Jordan parallels and inserts and stuff. They were still expensive then. But they're not. They weren't then what they are now. Some, I mean, it's, it's unbelievable what you see. And then I have one last clip here. Okay, hold on. One, one more thing. During that whole sale, I don't. I probably mentioned this at some point, but I was kind of embarrassed to say this at the time. But when I sold all my higher graded stuff, I didn't go back and buy all. Like if I sold an alkaline or I sold a Kill the Brew. Those poor guys. I always bring those two players up. Yeah. You know, always. They are always. Or a Yaz or whatever. Those two guys always get rolled under the bus. I got a Killer brew home run derby card right there. Yeah, I love Killer. I've got his rookie card, you know. But needless to say, when I sold all that stuff, I didn't rebuy those ones. I was buying Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, those cards. So my collection literally consists of just the goats with. When I tacked on a Killer brew or a Yaz, it was like a 1970 Tops card, you know, a 75 killer brew, like great. And I know this rookie card and then I have them in my collection. But I didn't need a 1962 top card in a PSA 7 anymore. You know, instead of that, I, I bought a Hank Aaron 58 tops or what have you. So I did do things without telling people because it felt almost icky and I didn't want people to think, you know, I was new at YouTube. I was kind of scared to say a lot of things and I didn't want people to think that I was just going to collect goats the rest of my life or anything. And I'm not. But I, I did do that. And I felt confident in the fact that I didn't think alkaline was going to go up in value in the future. So I said, well, while I'm cashing out now, time for me to, you know, just buy these certain players that I really love. Anyways. Those, these guys are the guys I had on my wall. Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle. And so. Yeah. All right, next clip. Yeah, before that, though, I was just thinking on that wall behind you, the best benefit of all of this, everything you've talked about, how you sold off your off centers and your diamond cuts and now you have centered, all centered cards for the most part. Like up on that wall there is that. Now when your wife looks at your car cards, she doesn't say, why are all your cards off centered? Yo, she. Yeah, dude, she's totally noticed. She's like, yeah, she loves it. She takes all the credit though, which she deserves it. She's the only reason that I went in this entire kit. Your wife started the I appeal movement, not you. Your wife did 100. Orlando says it all the time too. Dylan's wife started it. Now that I started this, everyone's gonna be around forever, like, whatever. I don't, I don't care. That's another conversation, another argument for another day. All right, last clip. With fanatics owning an MLB and NBA and NFL owning a piece of a baseball card company, now that's where it's gonna come from. You're gonna see this stuff on tv. I mean, that's my thoughts. And fanatics put billions of dollars out there and millions of dollars. They're gonna keep pushing this thing. They're not going to want their business to crumble. We have the momentum. We built that momentum. We, we have the collectors coming in. We have the future of fanatics who spent all this money at the peak of the. Paid a crazy amount of money. They're gonna want to keep this thing going. And Major League baseball and basketball and football, they all own a piece of fanatics. So it's. It. This is a big. I think the push is going to be coming from new collectors. I mean, fanatics is just getting started. But I mean, the marketing, Marketing works. It does. I mean, whether you think it's good or bad for the hobby, it's definitely brought in the hobby. And there's more people in it. A lot of them are, you know, rich people that are coming in and buying 12 million dollar cards and so forth. Because, you know, I think I heard Michael or Mr. Wonderful who bought that Jordan Kobe card and his. Whatever it's called. I forget what, what do they call fund or something? I think I heard him say the other day, the Shining. And he did. It was because Michael Rubin of fanatics told him like, hey, you should get into trading cards. And he was like, why? Why would I spend money on cardboard? And he was like, well, it's because it's the new art. And he sold them on this whole thing. And the next thing you know, he's like, okay. And now he's. And now he's buying sports cards. So sometimes it's as little as that is like the right marketer in it or the, the right company. Again, whether you think that's good or bad, there's definitely an effect from having a company like fanatics doing all this. You know, a lot of its marketing, but some of its products, like the game. What are those game patches. Oh, yeah, things like that that make all this news that the hobby really wasn't getting a ton of before. It has played a huge role into, I think, prices going up on new products, but even existing stuff, even vintage, I think that it's had an effect on that too. And let, let's just not forget, let's put into perspective a lot of people listening to this maybe weren't even around during that, during that. When that video was filmed. This was when, like Jeff Wilson was building Cards hq and people were like, he's going to go bankrupt. That shop will never. Everybody was saying that is going to go under. It's never going to make it. Everything's done. And I was just like, this is insane. You guys are crazy. This is just, this is just starting. It's just starting. And if, if the economy stays. I don't even know how healthy it is right now to begin with, but if we don't have a financial crisis, this hobby is going to continue to boom. The. For me, the only thing that's. I've seen this for years. The only thing that's ever going to take this hobby down now is a financial crisis or a caveat. Or we could turn back the clock to like 1994. If there's a baseball strike, watch out below. And it's not just going to affect baseball cards, in my opinion. It'll crush every category under the sun. That will be a devastating effect on sports cards, in my opinion, especially baseball. But it is not a good thing. Well, I thought that was fun, you know, and again, we could probably clip up an episode where we put in our wrong takes, but that's not okay. You know, this was, this was more fun to me. I can think of. I can think of one wrong take that I said, but it wasn't. That's a kind of only one. I could really think of it where I said, 90s cards have had their day in the sun. I'm buying. I'm buying 2000s. But I didn't say they were going down. I just said, oh, man, I'm not gonna buy those. Well, they don't. I'm not attracted to them anyways. But I have been wrong, obviously. It's, you know, this is what it's about, this show for me, and I believe for you, it's putting our opinions out there. That. That's literally why I joined YouTube to share my collecting thoughts. And that was epic. Adam. Yeah? Wait, we gotta. In the last minute or two here, do you want to share a couple pickups or cards? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. I got this sick shark card. This is a gouty card. I don't know from the 1900s. I forget what year, but I collect shark cards. And this is a Boy Scout set and there are two sharks in it. And it's a gouty. It's a gouty card from the Gaudi gum company. And I bought. There's. There's a few of them online. I just randomly ran across this when I was looking for shark cards. And I was like, dude, that thing's sick. So it cost me eight bucks. Things all creased up. What an epic, epic card. He's eating some salmon there. And I was in Boy Scouts, so I grew up going to Boy Scouts, Cub Scouts all the way through. My dad, to this day is still mad at me for quitting because he had like all of his best friends. We had like this. It was all. We do camp outs all the time and all the dads would hang out. And those were like, the. The dads had way more fun than even we did. And. And in that era, for at least for my club, it was 316, I think was the badge, the club badge or whatever it was. And when we were in Boy Scouts, we didn't have to do crap. They would, like, give us the patches because all the dads really just wanted to hang out and all the kids, we just wanted to do our thing and they weren't. They didn't take it so serious. Where if we got the knot wrong, they're like, ah, just give them a patch. Just move on. Like one of those. It was awesome. The dads are sick. So my dad still, just the other day, he's like, man, the worst thing he ever did was. You just killed me. When you quit. I wanted. I was so mad at you when you quit Boy Scouts. I was like, I'm sorry, you should have told me. You should have gave me a speech at the time. You didn't. You didn't speak so it's your fault. Oh, yeah, that's my pickup. I love. What did you say? What year was that card from? In the 1900s? Probably 30 something. Wow. I don't know. Indian Gum Company. But it's a Gowdy card. Very cool. Love it. What do you got? I showed this on Instagram, but again, not everyone's on there. Let me go solo here. This was. I want to show this because it's just a quick point on it. This is the nice custom custom label here with the 2001 Flir Shokas Pedro Martinez masterpiece one of one. Oh, good Lord. You know, in the, in the late 90s, in the early 2000s, like here, FLIR used the color purple for their masterpiece cards for their one of ones. And these are the early days of the one of ones. And this back there, you can see the only one of one masterpiece. And man, anytime there's a word masterpiece on a card, I'm. I'm all for it. You know what I mean? Look at that. Even the. Now the interesting thing with this card is this is not one of one, this is one of two. So, like, a lot of these masterpiece cards from flir, they made duplicate copies. So there's two and they both say one of one and everything like that. Now, I, I, it was weird when I was going to buy this card from the dealer. This is what I want to ask you before we go here. And maybe this should be its own episode, but I knew in my head that there was two of these because I had seen on Instagram, Gowdy Gum. Great Instagram account, fellow Pedro collector, good guy. He had, he had posted this card a while back, you know, and then when I saw this dealer. I'm not going to mention the dealer. When I saw this dealer who I met in person to buy this, never mentioned that he had already sold the same exact card. One of one. The duplicate. He had two of them, obviously, and he sold the one of one months before, and then now he was selling me the one of. I guess two never mentioned it. Now in my head, I knew it. So in my head I was like, you know, let's see if he actually mentions it. He probably won't. I knew I wanted to buy it regardless. I'm okay with that. There's two of them out there especially I know who owns it. And I think it's actually kind of cool that we both have the same one of one card and then none of them, they're both real. Like one. They used to just make like a Backup copy. And then when they went bankrupt, those backup copies somehow got out. So we don't know which one was path pulled yours? I don't think we know. No. And they're both actually a little short, I think factory cut because Gy Gum, he tried to actually grade his and PSA said it was authentic, but minimum size not met. And actually when I look at this one, I think it's probably a little, little short too. So again, they just made two copies of the one of one and one got out. So I don't know which ones. And again, I don't really care. In my head, when I was negotiating the price, I was negotiating with that in mind that like, you know, without mentioning it. So my question to you is, do you think that's ethical? That I didn't ask, I didn't. He didn't lie to me. I didn't ask and say, hey, is there two of that one? Or he never mentioned it. Do you think that's ethical? Yeah, you didn't ask. Got it. He didn't. You know, it. It's on the person to do the research on the card itself. I mean, yeah, I don't see any issue in that. He wasn't like. Yeah, I, I wasn't there for the. All the conversation. But if you didn't ask and he's selling you a one of one, even if there's another one of one, it's not. He didn't produce the card. It's not his fault there's another one of one. Yeah, yeah. That's how I. Yeah, I never asked. I never anything. So again, does he ever. That's a good question for the comments. Does a dealer have, in that unique situation, does a dealer have any responsibility to disclose that. That, hey, I just so you know, I already sold one of these. They made two of them. It would have been cool. It would have been a nice thing. I still would have bought it. I still would have bought it. But yeah, you know, anyway, interesting story, Greg. I'm happy to have the car. I don't care that there's another one out there. Like I said. And that was a recent pickup. I have gone on a little mini run of Pedro, one of ones that I haven't shown all of them either. I'll save a couple more for future episodes. But having a, having a fun time with these masterpiece one of ones, they're hard to. Okay. Before you move on, I opened a lot of those boxes because those, those boxes were really cheap back in 2001 though. I feel like, they're like 50 bucks for a box. And I dude, because they were like the last minute thing me and my buddy Danny would grab if we had like 50 bucks on hand. Grab one of those. Bam. I can vividly remember opening those boxes on the way home in the car. And we were always pulling good stuff out. A lot of one on ones. We pull a lot of one on ones out of those. Out of that product. What's cool about this? The. The showcase, they were called Flair. Flair. It was like Flair Showcase F, L, A, I, R. That's actually how Theo pronounces flir. I know a lot of guys do, and. But there's actually a brand that was called Flare Flair from Flir. Flir named their it Flare. And. And it was very. It's a very famous set. Multiple sets in the 90s where they had rows, row zero, row one, row three. But it always kind of bugged me because it's like all three rows, their number. The legacies, which are the parallels, were numbered to 100, you know, so it's like, what row is better? You know, it's just like, it's kind of confusing. But in 2000, they moved away from the rows and it became FLIR showcase to the Flare Showcase. And man, if the. If the 2000, that design's even better than this type. I mean, it's a. If you've ever seen the 2000 FLIR showcase legacies or God forgot a masterpiece. Unbelievable. I got a nomar legacy that I don't have with me now, but I like. You know, we hear about 90s cars, but actually 2000 and 2001 are actually some of my favorite years of Showcase because of how they compose the sets where it's not the rose, it's just kind of like Bass legacy and the masterpiece. So it's like kind of three levels of that of parallels, which I like. I like that simple setup better than like, oh, this is a legacy. Row two legacy, row 014. You know, it's like, yeah, too much. Too much for my simple break. But nice designs they had in those years for sure. All right, Dylan, I think that's it for this episode of Turn Back the Clock. Any last thoughts or anything else? Well, one last thought. We don't have to go into it, but food for thought. A lot to think about on this one. But, you know, back in the day, everyone's talking about how rare the 2000s and 99s are, how hard it was to pull those compared to today. I have a complete opposite Take I think back in the day it was super easy to pull hard parallels because they printed way less. Back in the day when you'd buy a box, they didn't print so many. So you would pull a number to 50 card out of a box or even out of a blaster. You'd always pull a numbered card out of a blaster. Where today, yeah, they're printing more parallels. They're printing more of everything. But it's way harder to pull the actual card you want. It's way harder to pull the lower number stuff. So does it really make it more watered down today or is it. It's. Or does it make it even harder because it's way harder to pull the cards you want from the packs today. So just a food for that. We're not going to go into it today. But I've been thinking about that a lot because there's always been naysayers over the last five years on YouTube or four years that modern cards are going to zero. They print too much. And obviously it hasn't taken place. Obviously that's not going to take place. Place. And you always talk about gold is gold. You know, you hear people saying it. And to me, to pull a gold refractor out of a pack today is a thousand times harder than it was to pull a gold refractor out of a pack in 2000 or in the 1990s. It's just way harder today because there's more parallels and more base printed. So food for thought. That's it. Preview for future. Turn back the clock. Dylan, thanks as always. Double D vintage baseball cards. Oh, and go to Dylan's channel. He has started an awesome countdown of his top. What do you call it? Best or favorite? Favorite 62 cards. Yes. Go. Favorite 62 sports cards. Favorite 62. All right, we'll see you next time. You.