The Football Card Podcast #54: Remembering the Greatness of Chris Johnson

Foreign. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to the Football Card Podcast here on the Stacking Slabs Network. Hosted by my good friend John at Pac Nicholson and sponsored by our great friends at Card Ladder, the official data provider of the Football Card Podcast and the broader Stacking slabs Network. Episode 54, Linebacker Summer. In the Thick of It is 54, the goat linebacker number. A whole lot of linebackers talked about in this conversation, but we kick things off by spending some time talking about Chris Johnson, a guy who we have talked about a lot on the Football Card Podcast. Great player, great cards. He is in the middle of his battle with ALS and we felt it was important to pay tribute to him at the top of this episode. Great mailbag. Make sure you're following us at the Football Card pod on Instagram. If you want to show your support for the broader Stacking Slabs Network, hit the follow button, tell a damn friend. Run on over to the Patreon Group Football Card Podcast. Linebacker somber episode 54. Let's get into it. Hello and welcome to the Football Card Podcast. This is it. You made it. It's Friday and you're listening to the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly, football cards. I'm Your host John aka Pac Nicholson and with me as always, is Mr. Stacking Slaps himself. Brett. How you doing? I'm well. I am still feeling a lot of energy from being in Columbus, Ohio last week at the Columbus Card Fest hosted by ryan at Card Collector 2 and Brad Epi Sports. What a wonderful time. It was great. I just got so fired up for show season. I was by the way, shout out Columbus, Ohio downtown. Super clean, super nice. Didn't see too many Buckeyes fans out there which was good. I'm sure you were all in hiding waiting for a college football season to to get ready. But man, I had a great time. We I was staying kind of right on the corner of the convention center. Easy walk in. It was so impressive man. I just can't say enough for a first time show. Just the branding, the space, the action, it was just an awesome show. So I'm just telling all of you football card degenerates when this show comes back next year, make it a destination. You should be there. I had a good time. I did some content, had some conversations, going to integrate that in kind of stacking slabs over the next few weeks. But yeah man, I'm ready for shows. I got Fanatics Fest coming up, then I got the Nationals. I'm excited to See all of the loyal listeners of the Football Card podcast in the wild, shake some hands, talk football cards, do what we do. What was going on in Columbus at the show? Like, were you. Did you get to walk the show and see, you know, the different offerings? Were you mainly locked down doing content? Like, what was. What was the overall general vibe there? I guess the vibes were high, I would say, naturally. And this is the era I am in just in my show going career where I'm spending a majority of my time locked down doing content. But I had this, like, bird's eye view on all of the action based on where I was set up. And so Pokemon was like in one corner and then everything else, it was nicely kind of segregated between the two groups, but there was just a lot of action. It was a lot of names and faces that I see from Instagram, the intern, TikTok, all these dealers. But yeah, that there were some cool cards in the. In the room. I wish I would have gotten more time to explore. That wasn't really my priority. But it looked like people were having fun. I will say the reason I left a little early is because I got a. My daughter was sick and so luckily we had some support to watch her while my wife could work. So I was trying to get home, but when I hit 70 west to go home, there was just this torrential downpour. I was white knuckling dude that, like, semis with hazard lights. I could hardly see anything on the interstate for like an hour. It was brutal. I was, like, trying to calm my nerves by listening to, like, sports card podcasts and it wasn't even working. But I got home safe and sound. That 70 drive is boring and brutal, too. We go to Columbus all the time. Our really good friends that we live down the street from in New York, they moved to Columbus, we moved to Indy. Similar timelines. And they have a kids. We, whatever. We're going there this weekend for Fourth of July, actually, but nice. 70. And I feel like the indie part, the last, like, I don't know, 40 miles of Indiana on 70 suck. Yes. Fully under construction, fully Richmond. Concrete barriers on, like, both sides. Oh, yeah. Oh, it. And it's always stressful when, like, all right, this cone is now telling me that I'm veering into oncoming traffic lanes, but I guess I'm just going to trust this piece of plastic that someone puts, you know, lined up in the street. Yeah, that's not. Not a fun drive, especially then in a torrential downpour. Yeah. And especially when you're reeling with just having left a card show. Like you're not even going to a card show anymore. Like the. Yeah, I know. I think I drink maybe one Alani too many. And so I was very anxious but glad it cleared up. I was also proud of myself. A team. No stops on the way home. We just cruised right through. So no kids stopping every 10 minutes. It was, it's, it was nice, you know, it was also nice. And I also felt very guilty was waking up in a hotel room with no kids. I got a workout in, walked to get a cup of coffee, did a little work and I was like, this is, this is, this is what it's like. I totally forgot about this. Oh yeah, yeah. The. The hotel work trip stays are always awesome. Was it. Our dog sleeps in our bed too. So there's just like I'm never fully sleeping through the night. So like when I'm in a hotel, it's like, oh my. The king. Yeah. We went to. I saw Toy Story 5 over the weekend. What you think Movie experience with the toddler movie was great. We lost the movie theater. Lost power in the middle of the movie. I've never had that happen where everyone's locked in. It was like a Sunday matinee movie theater full of toddlers. Power goes out, just pitch black. Like not even like the little walkway lights were on, like full on, power out, exit signs were on and you know, a little unease. It's like, what's going on? And then whatever. Some commotion of like they're clearly trying to get it going. But yeah, it was like a 20 minute delay. It was like the super bowl when the power went out. That's what I was thinking. And. But then trying to keep toddlers in check to just say stay patient in this pitch black when. And then start to notice all the buttons on the recliners and everything. And then all hell's breaking loose. But they got it back going and finished the movie. Good message. Good movie. Better than four. I think it's better than four. It eclipsed four, but yeah, overall good experience. Did you, did you like Jesse's role as the primary protagonist of the story? Yeah. Yeah. Some gut punch moments in there too. There were some sad moments and not necessarily with Jesse, but just bullying, man. And especially in the digital age, the group chat getting flamed in the group chat does not feel good. As a 36 year old man, as a 6 year old girl, you should not be getting memed in the group chat. That's not, that's not fun for Anybody. It's the mo. I walked out of the movie and my mind was prepare. How do I prepare my daughters for this madness that's going on? And by the like, we need some better parents. Those kids were just on their devices, on their. Doing whatever they wanted, saying whatever they wanted. That's not a sleepover. A sleepover isn't going over to someone's house to be on your device. A sleepover is going to someone's house to, you know, play with action figures or build forts or do some wrestling matches or run around outside. Like, where? What are we doing? Counterpoint. I had some great sleepovers just playing Halo and just land parties, which those devices felt different. Like bringing a TV too and bringing an Xbox. Like there were like, go over to my friend's house and I'd brought a TV and an Xbox. And I don't think kids are ready to just know what that was like. Now it's all in your pocket. Like, Steve Jobs. Love him. He did some great things. But some things, some things aren't meant to be in the pocket on a phone. Yeah. I'm convinced that in our era, Mountain Dew was certainly the official drink of the sleepover. And because of the video game component and because we love to have sleepovers, this was the dawn of Mountain Dew, like splintering off and creating all these sub brands like Code Red, Baja Blast, all these, like, Mountain Dew fuels the sleepover experience, that's for damn sure. Yeah, I think maybe we have to do a football card pod, Madden 2003, land harder or something. Even though can't. I guess you could do four player. You could do, I guess Halo. The point of the TV was so that you're not screen watching, though. That's right. Madden isn't as much of a problem except during play selection. But yeah, good times Here, here. If you're watching plays and you're. You're trying to get an edge that way you're probably the same people that are going to, you know, Walmart and Target and weighing packs, right? Yeah, absolutely. You're just glued to the screen and then, oh, what are they doing? Okay, I guess I gotta change my formation, buddy. You're already, you've already lost. You don't think these audibles and hot routes. You don't think I have a little combo set up for you. Oh, what a time. So I felt very compelled at the top of the football card podcast, episode 54 linebacker summer edition, to talk about Chris Johnson. He obviously got went on Good Morning American with Michael Trahan and shared that he was battling als, which I think incredibly sad. Incredibly sad to see him in the state that he is in. And I think just the overall reaction online has been people are. People feel sad. Like they feel really sad. And it just shows like what a terrible disease can do to someone who is doing supernatural things. Not too long ago on the field. And I felt like it sucks. It's sad. But Chris Johnson is such a football card podcast guy that we spend a little minute talking about how much Chris Johnson rules. What do you think about that? I. I love that. So I'll run through some things here. First, on him and his career 2008-2017. If, if I were to ask you how. How many seasons did Chris Johnson play, would you have guessed that many? No. I was surprised when pulled up the Pro football reference and I was like, all right, CJ like the 2000 yard season definitely is the standout season, but he has a great career around that. Totally. And then I think it, it did it all start with the 40 time at the 2008 combine? The 4.4.4.24 40. That's really what set him off, wasn't it? Yeah, I mean there was like just an added buzz of. There's always a buzz around the fastest 40 time. And then being a running back I think is a little added bonus because normally I feel like it's a receiver. I mean, I guess running backs, it's probably pretty even. But then he just had a really good rookie year with some explosive plays and just kind of became on the map. And then especially in that era, you know, fantasy football and Madden playing, where it's like, oh, we got the running. The running back with 99 speed. Yeah, I want to play with that team. So early on established himself as just a burner running back in his rookie year. And then I believe it was his second year where he had the amazing season. Is. Is. Is CJ2K? Where does that. Where do you think CJ2K ranks in terms of all time nicknames for NFL players? I mean it's got to be up there. I. You're commemorating a. By the way, it was. What was the total that year? Do you have the. So he ran for 2,006 yards y and 14 touchdowns. And then he had 53 receiving yards for another two touchdowns, which is in total 2,509 yards from scrimmage, which is the most yards from scrimmage in a single season in NFL history. Still to this day, he did it in 16 games as a scrimmage yard fan as a running back fan. Like he's the top of the mountain. Like he is. That to me is like an unreal achievement. You put up the most scrimmage yards in the history of the NFL. That's of all the running backs, all the receivers to have ever played this game. Chris Johnson has the most in a season. He has the most productive yardage season of any skill player ever. That's, it's amazing. So it's, it's, it's almost CJ2.5K. Yeah. CJ2.5K. So he was a unanimous first team all pro in 2009. After that ridiculous season. Let's see some other Nuggets six 1000 yard seasons to start his career. Including that 206 yards in 09. You know I was trying to contemplate the backs that I think I, I would put ahead of him this era are Peterson, LaShawn McCoy, Frank or Marshawn Lynch. But there, there's, there's not many. I feel like Chris Johnson gets this like oh, he had a couple good season. He, he, he had actually several good seasons in longevity. But do you think like maybe he's like after that like group. I think obviously Peterson is the clear cut and then I'd probably put, I would personally rank Frank Gore next and then probably McCoy, then probably Marshawn and then probably Johnson. That would kind of be my, that era list. But think yeah, I think you're kind of right on. I think the one like that one season is just like so high that it makes his other seasons look not that great. Even though they're very good seasons. Yes, it's just the like by comparison, like almost to his detriment. Like that season was so impactful that it makes his other seasons not look great. But like there his scrimmage yards per year. So as a Rookie he had 14, 1488 scrimmage yards, 10 touchdowns. That's a great season. Next year was 2500. And then these are total scrimmage yards for the next four seasons. 1600, almost 1500. Almost 1500, 1400. So like those are good. Like 1600 yards from scrimmage, 12 touchdowns. That's a top fantasy. Sign me up running back season. Like anyone would take that. And it just looks not as impressive when it's next to 2509. Like just that number 2509 is just so insane. To put up 1600 yards and you're still 900 yards short of the record is crazy. So there I, I hope to see. I mean, it's also, it's so sad and so scary the whole situation with him. Like just terrifying how fast it seems to have come on. And you know, as a peak athlete, first, if it can happen to him, like, oh my God, that's it's terrifying. It is awesome to see people commemorating Chris Johnson though. And yeah, I mean as long as he holds that record too, like he will be relevant. He will be in graphics on ESPN and in broadcasts as other people try and get close to the scrimmage yard record. So hoping for the best for him. And yeah, quick career totals 9,651 rushing yards, 55 touchdowns, 2,255 receiving yards and 64 touchdowns. And it is the 64 total touchdowns. It is the Football Card Podcast we're going to talk football cards for a minute. Chris Johnson's catalog is very fun and interesting because he straddles both the Tops and Panini era. Tons of rookie cards based on just the dynamics of that era. And first thing I did, dude, was what Chris Johnson cards have sold since this news broke. And boy do we have a A card. So this card shout out. That's the old price too now. But that's the old price. This is on his ebay store. This card sold June 30th and this card is his 2008 SP authentic one of one shield logo RPA. This card sold for $22,000 this week. This card was purchased on May 23rd, 2025 for $3,720. Wow. So that's just wild. And then another one that I just thought was so cool was his 2011 finest. This card sold in August of 24 for 2000. But just so sick. Such a cool image of Johnson on this card. And I don't know man, I just, I. I thought it would be worth before we kind of get off the Chris Johnson talk, but like this topic of how important these moments are for collecting and for prices because outside of maybe us bringing up Chris Johnson on podcasts because the he's a football card podcast guy, I don't know if I've heard anyone really talk about Chris Johnson in the last like five years. But then he gets on Good Morning America and shares his terrible news, which is it's I love the fact that he is trying to build awareness for the situation, which is awesome. But like that type of moment, although it's not a great moment, brings up these memories of how great of a player he was. And we just spent the first time, you know, 12 minutes or so talking about him, but like literally had drove someone to then spend $22,000 on, you know, one of, if not his best card. So I don't know, like what, what do you think of that and just the impact of these types of moments in people being in the news that can have on prices in the sports card hobby and market. Yeah, I think it's always a little weird to me or touchy with like when something tragic happens and then people like listing their cards. There's something about that that's off where it's like, oh, this is terrible news. By the way, I have a Chris Johnson card for sale. Not saying that's what happened here. Like this card was just listed and yeah, I don't know if it was listed. I, I don't know if it had been sitting out there or what. I have no idea. Right. But is a news story that is then worth commemorating the player and, and sharing cars. Like, I always love seeing cars. So like this is on the, on the spectrum. The sad reason to be celebrating a player, and that's what I hope with the football card pod, is we're constantly giving a new batch of players flowers every single week without it having to be related to, you know, some sort of illness or a death or whatever. So yeah, I mean in this particular case, like I, it's awesome that he's getting the love and recognition and that people are looking back and truly remembering how crazy that season is because I mean, that's worth collecting. That's something I've all. We've always kind of talked about. Like it's not all. Did he win seven Super Bowls? What? Did he win five MVPs? Like, yes, that's. Those are amazing accomplished limits and accolades that make players the goat. But I don't know if you were ever just the best player in the NFL for a season that's ridiculous and worth collecting. And if you were that had the best season by any skill player ever, which is what Chris Johnson did, that's definitely even more worth collecting. So, yeah, I don't know, I think if we both have said this many times, like guys like this are so fun to collect. Like if they had a great season, if they had a great three game stretch, if they had a great game in the NFL sometimes, like that's all it takes to get hype enough to want to get their cards, just to remember, you know, how good they were in those moments. This is why I, I love football cards too. And I. And we'll close out with A this. I think with a player like Chris Johnson, number one, this guy, you know, I. I don't want to speak for Titans fans, nor I really don't want to speak for Titans fans because you guys are Titans fans, and we don't like you. But I think about Chris Johnson as if I. As if I were a Titans fan, which makes me very uncomfortable. But outside of, like, Steve McNair, I mean, like, that season when he did what he did in 2009, like, that might have been one of the more memorable seasons you had or moments as a fan. So, like, that drives collectability. And then I just layer in, and this is. We. This is. People know this, but I don't think people really know this. Like, when this terrible news came up about Chris Johnson, really what triggered from not just hardcore fans that are listening to this, but casual football fans. Everyone remembers Chris Johnson because of fantasy football. Like, everyone does. So these guys are cemented forever based on that. And so that pool of guys isn't huge. And so I think, like, sales like this, and I think moments like this, they. They suck, but I think they get us to remember how much fun we had when we drafted this guy and he was on our team, and so we paid attention and we had interest. And I don't know, like, we get so singular sometimes. And just like, at, oh, well, Tom Brady's got seven. Seven trophies, so let's, like, just do whatever we can to just get Tom Brady cards. And, like, there's a lot of people that do that. And it's fun. It's fun to chase goats, but it's also fun to, like, collect based on memories and collect based on moments. And a lot of people have had moments with Chris Johnson because he was on their fantasy team. So I just wanted to call that out. Yeah. And who is to say that super bowl titles is the pinnacle of football? Like, Tom Brady Never ran for 2000 yards in a season. Read 2500 scrimmage yards. Like that. That's hilarious to think about. That's. More people have won. You know how many people have won Super Bowls? Thousands of people have won. I love it. How many people have run for 2000 yards? It's like, eight. Yes. Like, that one person has ever had 2500 scrimmage yards. It's Chris Johnson. So, yeah, if you're doing something that no one else has ever done, like, ever. That's incredible. And also, back to the 2k season, because I. I was looking up. I thought they made the playoffs. They didn't make the playoffs that year. But I remember because I also think there was something electric about that year where and this goes with any sports when like a player's in the zone or just having one of those years where like you're like no way this they can maintain, like this is gonna fall off. And like, yeah, there was something and maybe it's just my personal bias nostalgia of that era of like being in college, like espn, like I'm still watching ESPN and like every week it was like, what's Chris Johnson gonna do this week? That felt like there was just more like weight into it and I was tracking it and it's like every week, oh, another 150 yards, another 150 yards. And so the Titans that year started 06. Is that right? They started 06. And including their sixth loss was that 59, 0 Patriots game, which I feel like everyone remembers as I think it was no game. They're wearing like throwbacks and Tom Brady like just had like five touchdowns in the first half. They just went ham on them. But within the first six games, like pretty modest rushing numbers. He broke 100 yards twice. He had 197 yards in week in a Week 2 loss to Houston, but then 97 yards, 83 yards, 34 yards to the in a loss to the Colts in week five. Wow. Colts bottled him up. And then that New England game, he had 128 yards. So Titans are 0 and 6. He's kind of, he's having a modest season. They then go on a five game winning streak where Johnson runs for 228, two touchdowns, 135, two touchdowns, 132, two touchdowns, 1, 151, 154 touchdown. Just like leads them single handedly kind of this five game win streak with unreal numbers. Then they kind of are losing, winning on the way out. But he still runs for 1131-171041-42134. And I'm pretty sure he had in that final game of the season. Someone will fact check me, but he had like an insane huge run that he broke off that would have broken the record. It got called back for holding. So I think he just like towards the end feel like he could have even broken the record in that last game. But yeah, just unreal run. And like for a running back to single handedly kind of taking 0 and 6 team back to 5 and 6 back to kind of being in the hunt, it's, it's awesome. That's impressive. Just this we'll close it out here. 2009 awards voting. I was wondering if he got any MVP votes. He didn't. Fourth. Fourth and MVP Brett Favreau on the Vikings. Philip Rivers. Drew Brees. Peyton Manning. MVP year for him. But he won obviously. Offensive Player of the Year. Defensive Player of the Year voting. This was a Charles Woodson year, which is fun. AP Offensive Rookie of the Year Percy Harvin was the winner there. And deep. Oh this is such a good name. Defensive Player of the Year Brian Cushing, a comeback player. Very apparent and obvious. Tom Brady after suffering the brutal injury in 2008. And how about this AP Coach of the Year Marvin Lewis. Wow. Marvin. Let's just. What an era. That's. What a good time. What a good time. Wow. So yeah, Offensive Player of the Year. He almost Drew Brees got some votes in there. Drew Brees was always like either one or two. I feel like an offensive player of the year. Yes. Yes. Shout out Chris Johnson CJ2K Unreal player. Unreal career overall, not just the one season football card podcast in the nation is pulling for you. Yes. A couple other opening topic Housekeeping Things. 1 and this is this was very funny to me and valid. So golden TPC who he suggested Bill Romanowski last week for episode 53. We discussed Romanowski. He. He had some additional thoughts and I just thought oh this is we got to read this and discuss. So he said hey guys, I appreciate you chatting about my Bill Romanowski call out in episode 53. Although I gotta say I was confused by the pearl clutching dude was definitely a dirty player and a true villain of the game as a wrestling friendly pro steroid per the Bonds Perspective podcast. I thought your ethos would appreciate such villainy to take such a hard stance on labeling him a quote juiced bad guy while waxing poetic about Ray Lewis and Marvin Harrison as goats. Three alleged murders between the two which he did mention then quickly flew past to be fair is a little hysterical in my opinion. Doesn't make a bit of difference. Just sharing my thoughts on ball. Love the pod. I'll hang up and listen. What? What? Accountability is what we need in this society. We need more accountability across the board in all ways of life. Even the hosts of the football card podcast need to be held accountable and I will take ownership of this. And also I'm willing to turn the tides here Pro Bill Romanowski outside because you enter a dark deep territory. I I am. I am more likely to defend a. Actually I'm not even going to go there because I Don't want to be quoted on this. But I will, I will just say the, the, the, the alleged racism that's. We're entering a territory there that I can, I morally cannot support. But I, I understand the perspective and these, these, these merger murders as you say, were alleged. So just. We'll keep it at that. But I, I appreciate the accountability. Yeah. I thought it was worth bringing up. Yes. On the accountability front and just reminding people that we are very biase all of our opinions for any players. So just take everything with a grain of salt. But I was thinking about Romanowski specifically a little more and I don't know, there's something about like snapping someone's finger off anonymously in a pileup is dirtier to me than killing a guy. Like just man up and murder the guy that owes you. Just, just get done with them. Just do it. Just don't beat around the bush. Don't snap a finger in a pile up and run away like that. Come on. Like, he's just kind of a wannabe tough guy compared to Marvin and Ray. Like if someone owes you rent and they're late, you gotta send a message. And Marvin's just doing his duty as a landlord. But just to be gouging eyes or sucker punching someone in practice, I don't know. I'm sorry, call me oldfashioned, but I respect the murderer a little more than the, the little eye gouger running away. I just line up in the trenches, go to battle. That's it. Romanowski just want to be tough guy. It is linebacker summer. It is linebacker summer. But yeah. And that also had me thinking about where like two things. I listened to the card letter confidential with you and Chris Hoge and I loved hearing Chris talk about the Duncan sale and then hearing like the Cards Max reply where he's alluding to like not caring about older players and just that whole part of the hobby is very interesting to me. And it. I just then wanted to shout out Curtis Martin because I do feel like I always use Curtis Martin as the example of like, he's not memorable, doesn't have highlights, just led a productive career. Which Curtis Martin has. Sick highlights, sick career worth collecting. Of course, again, it's just, we're just saying on here sometimes we're just, we're blinded by our own bias, our own experiences. And to me, cur Martin was a little boring. But not, not to say he shouldn't be collected or celebrated because the accolades are insane. The highlights are insane. Yeah. Just reminding people that what we Say it's not to be taken seriously on the podcast. Guys talking football. Just guys talking football. Great, great disclaimers. I love, I love all of the. But we're growing here with some, some reflection. We're growing as people and as football card fans. Yeah. But if. Yeah. You catch us slipping, please feel free to. To send a DM I. We. We need to be held accountable. So. And we, we do love the Villains. So shout out Romanowski. You know, whatever. Okay. Episode 54 we are in the heart of linebacker Summer now. And it is the dog days of summer. It's hot here in Indianapolis. Anywhere too hot. But 54, maybe the goat linebacker number. I mean it has a case. Hall of Famers include Chuck Howley, Zach Thomas, Brian Erlacher and Randy White. But then there's some current players. If you just go to Pro Football reference, the highest AV for everyone who's worn 54, number one is an active player, Bobby Wagner. And then you've got Earlocker, Randy White, Zach Thomas, Levante David, Teddy Bruski, Fred Warner, Jess kind of Melvin Ingram. Just kind of some good beast linebackers in there at 54. One that I had to shout out because I know we know Erlocker, we know Zach Thomas. I feel like we've talked about them kind of recently. Chuck Howley. I didn't know the Chuck Howley story. And what a badass. So grew up in West Virginia, ended up playing 15 seasons in the NFL primarily for the Cowboys, where he was an original member of the Doomsday defense. Didn't know that they called their defense the Doomsday Defense. Awesome nickname for a defense. Bring back more defensive nicknames. So he played college at West Virginia and then he gets drafted by the Bears and he plays in 1958, seventh overall pick. So lottery pick for the Bears in 58, plays for two seasons before retiring because of a career ending knee injury he sustained in August of 59 at a training camp in Rensselaer, Indiana. How about that, by the way? I bet you that was at St. Joseph's College, which is the all. It's no longer there but the alma mater of my father. Okay. Did he get a hit, a low blow on Sam Alley and or Chuck Alley and make him retire? I need to ask. So he played just three games late in that season and that in the 59 season because he had messed up his knee during training camp. He was inactive. In 1960, he leaves the NFL, goes back to West Virginia and takes a job running a gas station. And so he just runs A gas station for two years and then he decides to make a comeback for a West Virginia alumni game. Like he goes to that and he's like, I think I can still ball. And the Bears traded his rights. He goes to the Dallas Cowboys who have just kind of become a team in the league. And in their inaugural season they went 0, 11 and 1. So they're at the bottom of the league. Chuck Howley joins the Cowboys and then they just go on and turn it around and he becomes a five time first team all Pro. They go to two Super Bowls including Super bowl five that they lose to the Baltimore Colts. But Halle is actually named Super Bowl MVP of that game. He's the only Super Bowl MVP of a losing team. He had two picks and forced a fumble in the Cowboys 16 to 13 loss to the Colts. So he was the first defensive player and non quarterback to receive the honor. And he's still to this date the only player from a losing team to win the award. They then go to the super bowl the next season and win. And in that super bowl he has another pick and another fumble recovery. So this guy's just how he's doing it all. Super Bowl MVP, Super bowl champion. And yeah, here's his 1969 tops rookie card, PSA 10. That card is so sick looking. Yeah, but 1969 tops with like the pink background. This is the one card that I've always been anti when a set is married to a color and it's like in all the backgrounds, I guess they have like some greens in this one too. But this, this pink from 69 tops is just very awesome to me. Gail Sayers has like the same pink background. It's a very cool card. But what an awesome photo with the big stars on the shoulders. Just a sick card of Chuck Howley, the original like 54 too. Who then Randy White the manster takes over the 54 for the Cowboys and also has an insane career and win some Super Bowls with the Cowboys. But yeah, those two are kind of the original 54 big white guy linebacker players that then Brian Erlocker and Zach Thomas have since been known for. So we're due for a big, big white 54. We're due for it. I was just checking. Zach Thomas wore 55 when he played his season with the Cowboys. So I was wondering if the lineage was consistent through him. That would be something. Wow, what a, what a player to talk about what a career. I felt like this was tough because you're right, it could be the goat linebacker number. I mean there's just so many guys. But I felt compelled to give credit to a guy that I'm not sure gets as much credit as he deserves, and that is Bobby Wagner. So Bobby Wagner, 14 total seasons. To me, he always kind of feels like London Fletcher, who is like, like one of the most impactful but overlooked linebackers of the era. This guy Bobby Wagner doesn't miss games either. He's played a total of 219 games in those 14 seasons. Anchor of the Legion of Boom. Six first team All Pro, five second team All Pro, three time NFL combined tackles leader and of course super bowl champion. His most expensive card is his 2012 contenders Cracked Ice PSA 10 selling for $3,950 in June. So it a couple weeks ago, dude, this card went off the board. People were ready. People knew we were going to be talking about Bobby Wagner here in episode 54. But he's still playing, he's still going. This guy, man, lots of tackles. Hell of a player. Again, we think about guys like, you know, Aaron Donnell, Miles Garrett when we think about kind of this hair. But like Bobby Wagner, he's, he's not too far behind. No. And as a independent defensive player in fantasy, Wagner was one of those guys that was one of the early ones off the board, just getting tackles, getting tackles all over the place. Shout out Bobby Wagner. Episode 54. Should we get into it? Let's go. By the way, I don't know if we've been me we mentioned them, but just shout out Card Ladder. Got to shout out Card Ladder, the official sponsor data provider of the football Card podcast. We will get to them in the market segment, which I will say it is a first time in the market segment. Do a little preview. We're just talking wide receivers, we're talking one of one wide receiver sales and boy, there was there a ton of them. So I can't wait to talk about that. But shout out to our good friends at Card Ladder for supporting the Football Card podcast. Yes, thank you, Card Lader. All right, got some questions. There's some fun little topics in here. So first up from Bolt Card crew, will vintage football cards ever take off? Allworth never gets shout outs. I think assuming or referring to Lance Alworth, the Chargers receiver, I'm assuming that's who Bolt Card crew is referring to. We gave Lance Allworth some shout outs on his number episode. I specifically remember Talking about his 1600 yard receiving season, his six first team all pros for the Chargers back in the 60s. So I, I don't, I don't know about that. We don't give. Allworth never gets shout outs and it's like, how, how many times can you shout out Lance Allworth? Like, what are we, what are we expected to do here? This isn't the, the Allworth card show, but will vintage football cards ever take off? Is. Is the core of this question here? So, yeah, Brett, what do you think? Will vintage football cards ever take off? A little vintage football card talk. I think there must have been something in the air because I was scared of the mailbag. There's. There's a lot of vintage questions. Huh. People are. Had some vintage thoughts. Yes. These are questions that we're asking. I'm asking, you know, we dig into these sales and we see stuff come off the board and if it looks cool, we want to talk about it. We can tell the story of the set and the player. I will say this, I'm not sure it'll ever have the broad cultural appeal as something like vintage baseball that is so like about the times and kind of set the stage for the way the hobby operates in general. I think my, the question that I'm digging into is will the demand for vintage football grow beyond the obvious icons and the cards everyone talks about, which the cards. There's more, but I'm. The cards that come to my mind are 58, Jim Brown, 34, Bronco Nagursky, 57, Johnny Unitis. I think the market is likely to mature as the hobby expands. The growth I think will come in small pockets, people who want high grade, building out sets, those sorts of things. So I think it will be there like, and it probably, if you're a patient and you love vintage football and you, you want to build out sets and stuff, it's, it's probably like honestly a pretty good place to put your money right now. But I just, I just can't imagine it to be like the market to look transformational overnight or even in the next year or so. But I mean, I'm not gonna lie like, I, I'm not gonna lie like, I have thought about it. I think there's a lot of fun opportunity in there. But I've also talked to, shared with you like all the roadblock that I have. Like, I don't have a team in that era. I do not consider the Baltimore Court Colts my team. So I am such a team driven guy. And so that's been my roadblock. But that's just one collector. Yeah, I don't think vintage football will ever, quote, unquote, take off and like, all of a sudden everyone wants Chuck Holly cards or Lance Hallberg cards. Like, I can't see it. Like, I feel like it's will stay proportional to what it is. Like, I think interest in the hobby will continue to grow and as it does, people will trickle down and find they'll be, oh, I am a football fan. Okay. Yeah, I want to collect this, but I just don't see like any football card, vintage football card ever, like becoming more popular than the 52 mantle or some of these vintage baseball and basketball cards that we all know because, like, those are all well known because of their decades and decades of publicity and visibility and being on the covers of every vintage sports card price guide is like the Mantle. It's just like those cards are so. They're just different. Like some of those vintage baseball cards, especially because of how baseball was viewed in the time were famous in their era. Like a lot of these football cards I feel like weren't, you know, like famous in their era or like super valuable in their era. So yeah, I mean, I. But I think it's such a fun market. I've actually been dabbling even more in some vintage bear stuff. Just, I just like how it looks. I'm trying to get some of the fun sets, like, again, like a. I want a se. Se rookie, I want a Walter Payton rookie, like even a low grade just to have those cards. So it's always something I think about. But then to your point, when like consolidations come up, those are always the first things to go because it's like, oh, I can get this back. There's literally thousands of these in all different varying conditions. So yeah, I do think it is a very interesting and fun lane that is worth exploring. It's like if you like it, if your players are in it, if you're the sets are in it, just go for it. Like, you shouldn't want it to take off. If it takes off, then you can't. Yes. Anymore. Exactly. Like I used to always want early 2000s footballer be like this, this should take off. And it not saying it's fully taken off, but it's gotten to the point where I'm like, I don't want to spend what these cards cost. Now I so careful what you wish for. Don't regret the fact when you, if you sell a card later and it's 3x what you could have bought it for two years ago, don't get to that point. And I would say if you've been sniffing around vintage football have a purpose like Create your project, whether it's hall of fame, guys, team sets, whatever like that. To me, those types of things make those cards more sticky in your collection when consolidation moments happen. So, yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're full supporters of vintage football over here, and we're excited to see what happens next and hopefully there's some momentum because I think there's a lot of opportunity in that segment. Yep. All right, kind of continuing the vintage football talk. This is from TKD Tickets. He says, I feel like the NFL has stopped promoting its history in favor of the modern game. I get it. The unimpressive stat lines and grainy video doesn't do much to make the old NFL stars compare favorably to the modern players. The NFL seems to ignore much of its pre super bowl history. And Even the late 20th century history seems dated. It falls to the individual teams to celebrate their own history. Even throwback jerseys seem more about selling merch than celebrating the past. Do you think this impacts football card collectors views of vintage cards? In baseball card collecting, there seems to be a gateway from modern to vintage. For many in football, not so much. It makes guys like Jim Brown seem so undervalued compared to modern cards. I miss the days when the NFL celebrates its history. Like this NFL timeline commercial. And the commercial he referenced was like an NFL commercial where it's kind of like moving through like 1920s to the 30s to the fort, you know, like in showing clips of the game evolving. So interesting thought here to unpack with. Does the NFL celebrate its past enough or not? I, to me, I think it's the football is an interesting situation because football's past is built on something they do not want to promote now, which is violence. Like, big hits are no longer celebrated. And like the early, like NFL films was just all about how violent early football is. And like, think about, they don't have helmets. They were having catastrophic injuries. Like every year. Players careers were like two or three years because they were just blowing out knees or getting concussed and just like killing each other. So when it comes to like putting together a highlight reel package, they're gonna pick the more modern electric touchdown where no one gets their knee dislocated or blown out. Like, they're just not. I don't know, I just think it's there. It's a more conflicted relationship with their past than necessarily baseball, where, like you watch a Mickey Mantle swinging about looks the same as anyone swinging a bat today. Like the game still is. Hasn't evolved as Much as football has from a safety and even just skill standpoint, like, you know, old, old football looks like rugby. It's just like not as electric as Patrick Mahomes throwing an 80 yard bomb to Tyreek Hill. Like they're, they just. The plays today are cooler. So I don't know a lot to kind of unpack there, but what were you thinking? My thoughts have kind of changed a little bit. Just I love the violence. Call out and totally agree with you. I think that's a reason. I also think like it's very basic and simple and we can't lose sight of this. Like this league will forever be a quarterback driven league. And so the players playing the position of quarterback, I think in the modern era are more, I would say just as a whole, are better players. There's more impressive stats coming from that. You know, I think for me, like, and I said this when we were ranking quarterbacks last week, like for me it starts with Montana just because of what Montana did as a winner and he's such a player. But then like if broad strokes across the NFL history in my lifetime, it goes like Montana, it goes like Brady and Manning rivalry and then we're into like where we're at now. Now that's obviously not calling out everyone who should be recognized, but it's like very, very. I don't know, I just think of like the fact that like in my lifetime, in the last like half of my life, like Brady and Manning took over and now you have Mahomes and all this stuff and then you go back to the older eras. It's like the not don't want to discredit players like Johnny Unitis and Bart Starr and stuff. But like they're not even like they're an afterthought in comparison to some of those more modern performances for me at least. And I, I just think like if, if Tom Brady existed or Peyton Manning existed in like the 1960s or 1970s, doing what they did when they played, I think it would maybe be a different story and a different conversation. But that didn't happen. So we've been kind of backloaded with all these memories and moments that have been quarterback driven that I think doesn't help the historical importance or just the NFL maybe having a desire to focus on that. Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's just kind of my overall speculation. Yeah, good calls. All right, next up from our good buddy Drake's PC. When looking at the highest selling football cards of all time and thinking of the Most recent Josh Allen Shield auto sale. Most of them are patch autos or Autos Brady's championship ticket. But when you look across the hobby, many collectors seem to prefer shiny cards like Super Fractures, Black finites, gold prisms, etc. And typically don't collect patch autos or that is a, or that is a small part of their collection. When it comes to where big money is placed publicly into individual cards, why do you think it's in types of cards that seemingly are opposite what many hobbyists generally choose to collect? This is a great question by Drake. I think that, I think the, the hobby is very copycat. One category looks at another category and sees what's happening. And obviously the basketball card market is the front runner. Most of the high end money is put into logo man material, one of ones autographs. And I think it's natural for that type of buyer who's spending that type of money in basketball to go over to collecting football or buying, investing in football and looking at Tom Brady flawless or Peyton Manning flawless and shields and just saying, okay, this is where I'm gonna put my money. So I think it's like it's, it's fewer people are buying and want that stuff and are willing to spend the money on that. And I just think like a more of the, the common man in a way like shiny cards and we're the ones interacting, engaging on social media. So like that's kind of how I look at it. It's just like I'm not sure the people who are spending that money on like the Josh Allen for instance. I don't, I don't know if the owner of that card is a listener of the football card podcast, probably doesn't know we exist. But that's just my, that's kind of where my head's at. Yeah, I was on a similar train of like the people buying those cards are the like Mr. Wonderfuls the kind of investor person coming into this space maybe. And just like a patch auto card is so much easier to explain to understand the value than a shiny card to, to a Mr. Wonderful. Like hey Mr. Wonderful, this has a piece of the jersey that Michael Jordan wore. He autographed the card and it's one of a kind. Like those are three concepts. That's like, okay, I get why this is valuable. But if you try to explain like a first year black finite to Mr. Wonderful, he's his eyes probably glaze over a little bit because he's like, this is, you're getting like what do you mean first Year Panini. I don't know what panini is. I know what tops is like I'm from the tops era. Like, yeah, it's just, I think the like patch auto one of one is just a very easy concept for the someone who's coming in and saying I want to spend a million dollars on a card like that makes sense, I think to them maybe more than some of these shiny cards that we like. Also then if you just get into quantities, I mean an accessibility. Like I don't think that us down in the hobby are like, like him saying, what was it? Why do you think it's in the types of cards that are seemingly opposite to what hobbyists generally choose to collect? It's like if I could collect one of one shield autos of all my favorite players, I would. It's. It's not me choosing to like because I like other stuff better. There is just a barrier to entry and a quantity, you know, limit there that we just can't. I don't know. It's just like yeah, those cards are just a different realm for a different collector than me personally, just based on my own personal financial situation. That said, if anyone has a patch a shield Auto Cutler or Priest Holmes, let me know. I actually I just went on Facebook the other day and I searched like Priest Holmes cards, which I never do. I never think of Facebook as like, like Facebook groups, but I know that's where crazy deals happen. And I found this post that this guy posted in 2017, Priest Holmes one of one collector. He's like, I have over 130 priest homes one of ones and there's a picture and he's got like 10 shield cards. He's got the O5 Bowman gold refractor. I was like, oh my add friend. Hey, saw your post from 10 years ago. Oh, no response but and I hope worth a shot. Yeah. If anyone else gets through to them, please hook me up. Don't herself. But actually some of the cards I saw there had been have since surfaced. So I bet you sold them at some point. So. But yeah, good question, Drake. And last up from Rambo's PC, how does one assess new tops chrome super prices to black finite prices. They caught it cost more money. Yeah, this is the problem. I have it the to me I've been. I've been shared maybe 150, 175 times. People sharing me the Daniel Jones super fracture that's at Burbank Sports Cards. It's on ebay. It's on their website every I Mean, I'm probably got 10 people sharing it with me now. I thank you everybody. I know this card exists. I am not willing to pay what the asking price is. It's too much. It's way too much. So this is like my dilemma here. It's like, and it sucks because I don't think it's me being a cheapskate, but I like finites better. And I just can't justify. Personally, this is turning into a personal. Like I can't justify paying double for a card I don't like as much as another card because I just don't see those cards being worth double over a finite long term at all. No. And, and this is happening right now because this is just release. You've got the manufacturer and you've got the flippers buying in and all this stuff and it's all fine. And well, the cards are amazing. Like to. Trust me, I'd love to own that card. But yeah, I just, they're, they're more right now for so many different reasons. And it's been a roadblock for me, but it's actually been kind of a healthy roadblock because I'm like, you know what? It's, it's, it's better not to jump in right now. And if something lands my way and we've talked about. I would much rather spend $120 on a Daniel Jones black geometric out of 10, then 4, 500 on his super fracture 1 of 1. To me, the card looks better because it looks like a finite. So that's how I've been working through this. Yeah, the, the super fracture ratio compared to everything else. Like there's nothing else that has really separated or so far that I'm seeing like that. Like, to me it's just more fun to, yeah. Go for the stuff out of five and out of ten in like something like the black geometric where I'm like, oh, this kind of matches what I have. It's out of 10, which is a num. Like, I like that. Okay. And it's 1 20th of the super fractor price. Like sign me up. That's. I mean. And 1 40th. Like, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. I also think this got me. This was interesting to me where we're entering this new era where people are going to be coming back into the hobby who like collected 20 years ago when they were kids. And like they're immediately going to recognize the Topps name and see that there are current Tops products and be able to pick right back up and Jump into Topps Chrome and it just has me. I'm interested to see how new collectors entering the space are going to view and then treat or navigate Panini carts. Like coming into the hobby five, six, seven, eight years ago, you had to learn Panini because Panini had everything and Panini was doing all the new releases. And because of that we learned all the Panini products and parallels very, very well. I'm just trying to think like if I was entering the hobby today, I would gravitate towards Tops because it's the brand. I know. And I would be like, I just probably wouldn't necessarily gravitate towards Panini right away. I might get there eventually. But just thinking when I came back in the Hobby 2020, I remember the first, I was like, Panini, like where's Tops? Like, I just like I didn't want a Panini card because I didn't recognize the brand in that way. I didn't have any connection to it. I wanted tops. And that's why I kind of started originally was going more like I wasn't collecting any current cards because I just didn't understand or know like what Panini was. So I don't know. I just think there's something. I'm just interested to see how new collectors view Panini and treat Panini as this like brand that they weren't collecting for when it was active. So it's kind of this dormant older brand that yes, has a huge following and a lot of cards out there, but it's not, you know, there's just something about the active brands having the moment which is tying back to like why Top Scrum Super Fractures are selling higher than Finites. It's because it's of the moment. It's what people are all talking about and posting right now. But it'll eventually cool off. I think for, you know, this release as, as new releases come out. Very good points by you. And I think that is, that's very real. I'll just comment that I think part of the reason why Panini cards will hold up now, I'm not saying all of them, but just certain pockets will hold up because there are a lot of people that entered that. Yes. Based on what you said, that had no idea what Panini cards were and had to self learn and that self learning and self discovery created connection. At least this is how it has been for me. And so it'll be interesting like the sustainability of Panini versus new Tops over time and collector bases. Because I, I mean I'd never thought about what you just said but I think what you said is very very real. And when I got back in I the same way I was like what what the is panini and but I I'm curious and I want to learn and so that that was the that was the fun part of that era for me was like the self discovery and that build a connection with with those cards for me. So yeah, only time will tell but we got some we got some good questions this week man. Yes. Shout out the question askers. Appreciate you as always. Let's get into some sales. Let's do it. Shout out car ladder. I I alluded to this earlier. We are just talking about wide receivers this week and we are just talking about one of ones and I know it's a little ironic wide receivers and linebacker summer but sometimes you got to do what you got to do. And how about we start here with this Julio Jones sale. And it is not just any Julio Jones sale. It is Julio Jones's highest selling card of all time went off the board this week in the weekly auction. His 2014 super fracture one of one in a BGS 9.5 sold at auction for $18,600. How you doing? Super fractures of guys catching balls. Julio caught a lot of balls. Maybe not as many touchdowns as we we we want him to but one of the best receivers of this era. But just a 2014 top scrum super fractor and a gym mint grade selling for just a crazy price. What's your reaction to this? First off, awesome card. 14's never been my favorite just from a design but the the golds are actually very shiny and then the super factor looks awesome and what a awesome photo with not only him catching but the red jersey, the big falcon logo on the side of the helmet that this just looks awesome. This got me just looking up his most his highest sales of all time and a couple things jump out. One, it's not littered with kabooms and new cards. I noticed the same thing. His super fractures have surfaced quite frequently actually. So his second highest sale was his 2012 top scrum Super Fractor back last October for 12,000. His third highest sale is a flawless game use Falcons logo patch auto platinum 101 for 10k in March of this year. He has a manga PSA 10 that sold for almost $10,000 in April of this year. And then his 2011 finest super fractor sold. His 2013 tops chrome super fractor sold. So yeah, four super factor sales in the top six is pretty cool. You just don't always see that. When you go to a player and look at highest price, especially a skill guy like this, you. I feel like lately you're seeing more green kabooms, purple kabooms, stuff like that. But no, awesome card. Yeah, this is. This is a just. Yeah, awesome card. That's all I got. Pretty clean slate and a side here on Hulu. Is Julio in cannabis? Is he in the industry? Does he own stuff? Did I see that correct? Oh, is he? Well, the. The reason why. I thought I might have read that, but the reason I. There was a clip. Have you seen the. Julio Jones sued by cannabis company alleging fraud and money laundering. Wait, Julio was sued? Julio was sued. Okay, I missed some cannabis connection. The suit alleges the defendants illegally managed and operated a facility. Yeah. So he was. Seems like a business deal gone awry. Okay. When I thought about that, it triggered. Have you seen the Al Harrington clavicular clip yet? No, no, but I need to. Oh, dude, it's It. I gotta find it and send it to you. But he just happens to run into Al Harrington. And Al Harrington owns a dispensary in New York. And dude, the inner. He. He has no idea who Al Harrington is. And then Al Harrington like discloses he played in the NBA and has a cannabis store. And Al Harrison's basically like saying, do you come through here? I'll hook you up. Like, whatever. And. And clavicular. Just like. Yeah, I'm not. I'm just. I'm just not a big marijuana guy. It's. It's so good. Wow. Al Harrington. Weed maxing. Clavicular. That 100. So we haven't talked him. He weed bogged him. Weed mog. We haven't talked clav in a while, so I wanted to bring him up. Good. That's. But we need some more clap talk. Good. Yeah. To bring him back into rotation. The sad thing is, is I could have his kick stream up on the corner here and I just. Just have it running 24. 7. I'm sure I'd be entertained. Yeah. 2009. Bowman Chrome. Terrell Owen super fractor. This card, I think has popped up several times for us here, but this is his one of one. It sold for $4,320. So people just don't even care. It's like bills. I don't care. It's to. It's a super fracture. Four. $300. You got it? Yeah. This just has me. Because this is in. What do you call this raw card review. Yes. And where it's like Got the CGC sticker on it. Certified authentic, sealed shut. How do you feel about rock hard review cards? I've never bought one because I'm like, I'm not paying like graded card price for a card that's not graded. And that's what I feel like people want in a rock card review. I. I know this is a one on one, super factor, a little different situation, but I don't know, anytime I see a rock hard review card, I'm like, I don't. I'm not buying this. Well, so. So the raw card review cards. Yeah, not necessarily my bag, but any. Any raw cards that go through fanatics, they have the. They get authenticated by cgc and so that's what this is. But yeah, the raw card review, I. Dude, I haven't seen like a classic Beckett raw card review card on ebay in, in ages. Are they. Is it extinct? I just. I just haven't seen that. I feel like most of those have been cut out at this. Yeah, I don't know, I feel like it's more of a. At a show thing. And granted, I've never seen one with like a card that I'm actively after, but I just, I'm always like, what is the point here? Like, because you're trying to tell me that it's, oh, this is a BGS 9.5, but that's not GS 9.5. I don't care if someone looked at it and wrote with a ballpoint pen on a stick or circled something, but like, I'm not paying BGS 9.5 prices for this. So, like, why don't you just get it graded all the way? I don't know. It's just a. Interesting. I guess it's for the. The more fast flip, the more like, yes, but I could take it to get reviewed and authenticated and the person knows it's real. It does offer a level of protection, but I don't know that that's. That's what jumped out to me with this card. I didn't also realize that fanatics. I didn't realize you could sell rock cards through fanatics. Collect, I guess. Oh, yeah, it takes. It'll take a little longer, but because it has to go through the authentication process here. Interesting. Yeah. All right, next one. This is a card that was. I was eyeing this one a little bit. 2012 prism, Jordy Nelson Pylon. I think it kind of hung around this price for a while. $4,080. Which honestly, I don't think it's Terrible. And I know there's a lot of Jordy Nelson collectors. I was. It's kind of anticipating this one. Going for a little more but shout out pylon and Sea Dice cards. He what he started an Instagram handle dedicated to. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I don't know who want. I don't know who the winner is. But there is. There is some momentum in the community forming or there's. There's an arms race for the pylons. I've. I've observed through a few different entities in this space. So I'm. I'm wondering who won this on the other side. Yeah, that's. The price feels reasonable based on the amount. Yes. Hype around pylons. But I bet this card goes up for sale again soon. Packers fans never hold packers cards. Just move around all the time. Like even looking up. Jordy's highest selling cards of all time is 2013. Black Finite has sold three times since last February. And like, like that's his highest sale. It sold in September of last year for 6,000. It sold in February of last year for 4,200 and then it sold in November of last year for 3,700. So that's just been moving all through the. The vortex which if I were a Packers fan, Jordy was so sick. So sick. There was a moment like another play that is burned into my mind of just like Rogers similar to Manning, just kind of doing like a stretch play action and it's like, oh yeah, Jordy Nelson is going to be wide open in the middle of the field like on a post and he's going to get a 70 yard touchdown that was just unstoppable for a while. So. And cool card, cool image of Jordy like in a sprint. Yeah. Congrats to whoever won that. That's a good cool card. We've got the 1997 Flare Showcase Legacy Collection, Row 1, Andre Reed Masterpiece 1 of 1 PSA 9, $3,720. I just remember being a kid watching all of the Bills Super Bowls. Sorry Bills fans. You got there at least. But I just remember always watching Andre Reed on the sidelines warming up and he again, another player that because of the different receivers of the era, I don't think gets enough credit and recognition. Hall of Famer, but just he was such a great player. Jim Kelly just dropping balls to him over the middle of the field. Just tough guy. Great card, great sale. Yeah, I love the look of flare showcase with the kind of like casual picture in the background and Then the full uniform pick in the foreground. It's always a great combo on any kind of card. Yeah. Him with the bandana on just in the blue jersey and then his plain pictures in the white jersey. This card just does everything. Yeah, awesome card. Good contrast. And we close it out here with this card. I was watching it too. I was just very curious. What is a card like this that is very kind of off the radar. Go for it. Yeah. 1999 upper deck retro Randy Moss platinum one of one and a PSA nine. This thing. He's got a big smile on his face, helmet on the top of his head. Just a great portrait shot of one of the greatest receivers of all time. $3120. Never heard, never seen these cards before but damn, this is a great looking football card. Yeah, that is awesome. I mean I didn't know these exist. Like just at not calling this a random one of one but just a unknown one of one at least to me. Just popping up, going for 3100. Like if I had to wager, I bet three years ago this was a couple hundred dollar card. So maybe. Yeah, we're in a 101 world these days. But I mean what a cool picture. What a cool. I always like a throwback card or not always, but like I like 2006 tops heritage. Those like black refractors that look like the. They have like a throwback look. Yes. But yeah, this with the. The helmet on the head, that's just. That's an awesome picture. I'm just looking into Yansy Figpin, his version of this car. What a name. 2022 sold for 20 or $14. Were there any other sales of this exact car? Nope. This is the first sale of this car. That makes. That makes sense why? Maybe the price. Awesome card, dude. I think the background and the color match the expression on Moss's face and the helmet on his head. This is a great card. Like I, I was c. When I was scrolling through what was up for auction, I felt favorited this and I just kept looking at it. I was like, God, it just, it shows Randy Moss in a way on a card that is so Randy Moss. But I don't think he's been represented like this. And it's just. I love this card. This is probably my favorite sale of the week and I have never even heard about this upper deck retro ever. But now because of the sale, I want to go explore it. Really cool stuff. Yeah. I'm looking through other sales and there's not many but they all have different color backgrounds that really make the jerseys pop. Like, this is a cool one. It sold in 2018. Fred Taylor on, like, an orange background with, like, the teal jags jersey. Like, looks awesome for 90 bucks in 2018. Yeah, this is a. This is a fun set. Um, curious to see what else could pop up from this. All right, Sales. Thank you. Card ladder for the wonderful data provided. Collecting updates. Card. Call it. We'll get out of here. Collecting updates. What are the current collecting projects that you're focusing your resources on, Brett? Any. Any pickups or anything? No, no updates for me. Nice. I've gone into full. Try not to spend money until the national mode when I'm entering, which it's just I've. This will be my, I think, fifth straight national. It's always fun to go in with extra ammo y Whether that's cards you're ready to sell or sold cards in preparation. Just instead of. I'm. I have a loose budget for cards, but instead of my normal like, all right, I'll spend this much this month on cards. Like, treated. I have treated the national, like, on that same level in the past, and it's not as fun as when I go ready to just see what's out there, make some deals, buy some stuff, sell some stuff. So, yeah, I'm just trying to. And grading fees and all that good stuff. So just trying to kind of build up the war chest for the national. But that just also is to say the national is at the end of July. We are into July now. Maybe we'll do. Maybe just send us national related questions. Maybe we'll ask for that next week and we can kind of tackle that. Some sort of national preview. I don't know. I mean, maybe you're doing that on stacking slabs. I have no plans at this point. There are people who do that way better than me, so. But I would love to talk about it here. Yeah, I feel like the national preview, everyone's kind of. That's been done. It's been done. But I guess just yes, if you have national related questions at all, specifically pertaining to the football card pod. Yeah. Or just any thoughts, whatever. Please DM the football card pod on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. I have no collecting updates either. I bought a card. I don't have it in hand and I'm no longer talking about cards until I get them in hand. Good little. The curse card call out. We didn't talk about this. I figured it would come up during. I've got an idea. Okay, let's hear it. I want to see because this 1999 upper deck retro Randy Moss is such a killer card and I love it so much. I want to see you post cards of guys with their face shown helmet off. Oh okay. So it could be helmet could be on their head like Randy in this but or helmet off. We they can be full jersey pads, just no helmet, full face. No face covering the face. Yeah. What about situations where like a Red Grange he has the leather helmet on face out because that works. I can see him smile or scowl. So full unobstructed face is full points. Helmet propped up on the top of the head might dock you some points. But yeah, we want to see those faces. Or this is a good one. Helmet off cards Post them to the story Tag the football card pod on Instagram. We will reshare everyone that posts and tags. And thank you to for everyone who listens to the football card podcast. Shout out everyone who yeah there was. I gotta keep be better at writing these down. Someone was like on a road trip listening to the football card pod. I was like hell yeah. Happy to be the soundtrack to daily life for all you football card and football card fans out there. So thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. Great conversation. Felt a lot of energy with that one. A lot of topics, a lot of football, a lot of football cards. Appreciate your support. Shout out card Ladder. Really enjoying the momentum of this podcast. Looking forward to seeing you all out at shows. Make sure you're following us at the football card pod on Instagram. We will be back next week with another one. You you all take care. Talk to you soon.