The Football Card Podcast #58: What Changes for Collectors When Football Returns?

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If you want to show your support for the broader Stacking Slabs Network, hit the follow button, tell a damn friend. Run on over to the Patreon Group. It is the Football Card Podcast. It is episode 58. Let's get into it. Hello and welcome to the Football Card Podcast. This is it. You made it. It's Friday and you're listening to the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly, football cards. I'm Your host, John, aka Pac Nicholson, and with me, as always, is Mr. Stacking Slabs himself, Brett. How you doing? Getting this one in before the national craziness. You're there. Once I get done recording this, I'm closing everything down, hitting the streets and getting to getting up to lovely Rosemont, Illinois. Been seeing all of the Instagram action so far. Excited to be there. It is going to be awesome. There's been a lot going on for me, just with my collection and everything else. There's been a ton of movement. So I feel like the national is coming at a really good time. I'm ready to rip it, man. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm very excited. I got up here. Today's Wednesday. I got up here yesterday. Tuesday, I got to go out on the short. The Fleer a little bit. Can't wait, man. The energy, nothing beats it. Just seeing all the, all the activations coming together, all the dealers setting up, there's just no better place than when everyone here is a card sicko. And everyone you talk to has this same passion, the same sickness. Yu-Gi-Oh just a lot of fun. It is Linebacker Summer and we don't just take breaks because we've got the biggest event in sports cards. We, we do the Content because you're all traveling. You're traveling in and some of you are at home. And we're not going to interrupt the routine. So we're here. We're dedicated to you, the loyal listener and the football card collector. And I say we just. I know we both have tight schedules, so let's just get into it. What do you say? Let's do it. I do have one quick. So I saw Josh Johnson yesterday and he requested that I give the coffee update. Like, how is the coffee situation in the hotel room? Because that's. I get become recurring part of the football card podcast in our no days off, you know, dedication. There have been many road games and I'm gonna say I skipped the room coffee because there's a Starbucks. Yes. Lobby of the Lowe's and the room coffee. This is the pod. Just this unlicensed medium dark roast pod. I didn't like the way it looked because I wanted to give the coffee maker a try. But I can't go unlicensed. I can't start off national week with an unlicensed coffee. I had to go down and rip a pack of bucks. So here we are. There we go. Yu-Gi-Oh So Lowe's Hotel is where I've stayed every year. That's where I'm headed. That sounds like that's where you're at. And I have already budgeted the amount of money I will spend this week at the Starbucks. It is. I can't get out of there without spending like 12 bucks. And I'm just like, how. How is this $12? You just like poured me a cup of coffee. But so it goes. I. They don't even pour it. You have to pump it yourself. That's right. You do have. They're very nice, though. I remember the words. Very, very nice. But Yu-Gi-Oh let's see. The breakfast sandwich and a grande, just black coffee. Ran me see. Yu-Gi-Oh Welcome to the national. It sounds like there's some inflation there. I was used to 12 something. We're up to 13 this year. I. Where's all my card money gonna go? It sounds like coffee. The market's gone up. They know I know everyone maybe has a little extra. Yu-Gi-Oh So I figured, like, opening topic. I don't know about you, but, you know, I've been consumed by my team's content. You know, dudes reporting in, we're there. I feel alive. You've got all of the content, the check ins, everyone's doing it. And I'm just like, man, these guys are hitting the field. We're Getting ready to go. And so this had me thinking, and I guess the thinking that I have, because not everyone collects active players, but I think there's an increased momentum when the football season is playing, and a lot of people do collect active players. So I want to start with this core question, and I've got a few little questions to dig into, but the broader question is, what changes for your collecting when the season is back? Is there anything that you think is different now that these guys are. Yu-Gi-Oh we're in training camp now, but soon will be preseason and then the big show will resume. Is anything change for you? I think it will re. Spark my. I mean, I'm always collecting Bears cards. I'm always watching. But in the season, and especially if the season's a successful one, I. I just can't help myself. Like, I just get too wrapped up in this team is good. I want to collect this team. That's really what happened last year. I feel like it didn't pivot a lot of my collection, but I went from going for older Bears teams to finally being like, oh, okay, I have players on this team that I want to collect. So. And over this off season, I feel like, you know, that's waned a little bit, maybe, or just I'm ready. I'm ready for the new season. I'm ready to see it unfold. I am also mentally then prepared for the letdown that could inevitably happen. I was talking to, I think, Ryan Green, and we were like, you know, the Bears haven't had back to back, like, good seasons since 2005, so just want to see it. Just want to go in 10 games and I'll be happy and I'll keep collecting these guys. But, Yu-Gi-Oh I think, Yu-Gi-Oh season's coming Black Lotus of. Lots of pros and cons to collecting active players. It can be the highest high. Like, there's nothing better than your guy having a monster game and you have an awesome card of them. And then there can be low lows when they don't perform well or they get hurt. And like the. The week to week of it all, like, you know, just remembering, oh, bad week one is just feels like the end of the world. And then you have seven days to sit there and dwell on it and look at your cards of the players who let you down. And you're like, God, why do I have. Why am I collecting these people? But they can all turn around at any time. So I'm ready for the roller coaster. Let's go. What about you? I alluded to the fact that my collection is going through quite the transformation. There's been some massive pruning off of my collection, specifically my Colts Prizm collection. And I found myself, as I was going through these cycles that, you know what? There's like, no. There's like, no way I can get rid of my PSA 10 Gold Prizm rookie of Alec Pierce, or my gold Prizm and gold vinyl of Tyler Warren. Because I need a little something to get me excited about having cards of guys that I'm going to be watching on the field. And I think that's fun. And we're. I think a video came up and I was talking about Colts reporting and I was, you know, mumbling to myself and I looked at my wife and I said, I don't have high expectations, but I do have one expectation. What is that expectation? And my wife just looked at me and goes, that the Colts make the playoffs. Because I've been saying this for just five years and it's been miserable. But Yu-Gi-Oh I wanted to just hit a couple of these really quick. The fact I'm gonna. I'll just run through them. I think season starting, you've got cards. The cards feel like they're connected to something again. The market is more active. Prices begin moving from. From conviction to the forming. And then you've got to deal with injuries like, you're gonna buy cards. Injuries suck. They're inevitable. And it's like, how do we get through those things? So those are like the top things that I was thinking about, which. All of those have good and bad things associated with them. But, like, what. What are your thoughts? Like, did any of those resonate with you? Oh, Yu-Gi-Oh The. I mean, all of it. It just starts to. Everything starts to move more. Like we were saying, like, up and down, good or bad, it's just a whole different. Whole different beast when the games are on. But that's why we do it. That's why we do it. Do you expect. What is your expectation? Okay, so Topps Chrome football came out obviously, during the off season. We've seen the prices. There's a lot of momentum. I can only imagine what tops and Fanatics are going to do once the season starts to push this license. What do you expect? Like, from a market perspective, I feel like oftentimes the narrative is like, sell now, like, sell at the National. I have not been there yet, but I would imagine there's a lot of guys that have a lot of preseason hype that dealers are trying to get rid of. Do you think prices are going to be going down during the season because everyone's trying to sell high now. Is it change because this is the first season that Tops holds the license? Does it not matter at all? Like, what are your expectations? That's an interesting call out. And I don't know if I'm biased or what. Disclaimer. We're just two dudes talking. We don't really know that much. But it feels like the cycle of like selling all your football at the national has kind of like not been as effective over the last couple years. I feel like three or four years ago that was like the pattern. I don't know. It just feels like there's more stability or just there seems to just be more interest in football in general, which then like, I think leads to more people looking to buy and looking to collect than just like the main flippers who are just doing that football playbook of like buy in the off season, you know, sell before the national. So. And then, Yu-Gi-Oh with the tops of it all, like, I'm sure with tops now and new releases, like, I don't know, it just feels like there's a more like always on presence of football cards and it's not going to drop because you, like. I can't see if Drake My House another baller season. Like his price is dropping off because everyone's selling at the National. Like, I think. I think on the field performance is still gonna like, dictate a lot of this more than necessarily like the. The calendar, but. And I'm sure I haven't like looked at a calendar. I'm sure there's all sorts of tops releases that are coming out during the season and who knows how fast they can get out. Like when, like the new rookies, like, are they ever going to be able to get to the point where like the next top scrum is coming out? Yu-Gi-Oh know, in season that would be cool. That. That I think would add more momentum too also to the whole thing. But what do you think? Yu-Gi-Oh I think I have an expectation that there might be more price stability based on the marketing push from Tops. That and like you mentioned, I haven't looked at that calendar yet, but in all likelihood I would imagine there will be some big releases throughout the season, which certainly will help. And that's not something that maybe has been as prevalent. I'm very interested in. I think performance probably matters like more now than ever before. And I just think about like your guy Caleb Williams. He had a lot of hype and then that hype waned a Little bit. Then he had a spectacular season with many moments, and now he's probably one of the most expensive guys to buy. So I would imagine, like, that price sensitivity being a thing more than ever before tied to performance. And I think personally, like, every year at this point, I go into the national being like, is this the year I, like, buy a Josh Allen card? Because I really, really like Josh Allen. And every time he doesn't make it or one-of-one the Zebra Bowl, I'm always just like, hey, remember that note. Make sure you go back and consider that. So I don't know, like, Josh Allen has been on my mind. He's my favorite player to watch. And my thinking is, like, I would really enjoy having a card or two of his that is really nice. And I would like to have one, obviously, before he gets a Zebra bowl, because if that's the case, it's going to be cheaper than trying to buy it after the fact. So that's kind of what's on my mind. But, Yu-Gi-Oh I think this ship might have sailed for me with Josh Allen cards, unfortunately. But I will be looking. Yu-Gi-Oh I don't know if the ship has sailed, but he is one of those guys that, like, I could see a world. The Bills rattle off two Zebra bowl wins in a row. It's like all of a sudden, Josh Allen is Certified, like, greatest player ever. It's like, why was I buying him? Kind of the, like, Mahomes, Like, Mahomes one-of-one the first one and then they didn't one-of-one and was kind of this wall and it was still clear Mahomes is the best quarterback in the NFL at that point, or one of the best. And then they run off two more Zebra Bowls and just becomes like, why wasn't I buying Mahomes? He had already one-of-one a Zebra bowl and an mvp. And that wasn't enough for me to think he's a good buy. But there's also the how fast everything changes. We've talked about it with skill players, but I saw a post the PSA Vault Social account just did like, a chart of Rookie Silver Prizm PSA 10s and their price and like, offseason change. Caleb Williams is at the time of this post was over $1,200 Silver Prizm PSA 10. That's 70% increase in the off season. Drake May is $1,100 down 20% in the off season. Drake May went to a Zebra Bowl. So, like, sometimes it doesn't always make sense based on performance. And then I look and see CJ Stroud is $300 for his PSA 10. So Caleb Williams is 4x that and I remember what DJ Stroud was 5x Caleb Williams, you know, like it just fluctuates so fast and silver prisms are their own. You know, that's just a more liquid car that's like moving. But I do think the fact that it transacts so much does kind of give an accurate representation or just depiction of the market of that player. So Yu-Gi-Oh it's. I don't like the Caleb hype. Now I'm getting all like nervous like some of my kale cards, I'm like, God, these are like. I like that they're up in value, I guess. But at the same time I, I have seen many, many quarterbacks that even Drake May. Drake May goes to a Zebra bowl and he's down 20%. Like it doesn't matter. Caleb Williams could go to a Zebra bowl and lose in horrific fashion and then he drops 50% even though he like made it further. But it's the hobby. The hobby's gonna hobby. It's just gonna. Whatever's gonna happen, you know. Yu-Gi-Oh And we don't have time to get into this and we need to move forward. But I think maybe it'd be fun as this the season rolls and we see these prices. That silver data is definitely interesting to see maybe the fluctuation of those numbers and then compare and contrast with rare and scarce cards and see if there's alignment. I think to me the opportunity, especially with attention with on all of these like very popular, Hyper up quarterbacks, typically the opportunity lies somewhere in the product that is off the radar but is really cool and is a, a rare and scarce card. Like a one of one out of that where if you look at it and it's like $4,000 and you compare and contrast that with like a you know, $1,200 card, it starts to make sense. So those will be discussions I think we can have as we move forward. But linebacker Summer is here. I don't want to impede that. Let's. What do we got? What we're on? 58. What a number, huh? Episode 58 Linebacker Summer Marching On. Number one on the. Well, let's see. First hall of Famers, only a few. We've got Jack Lambert, Max Speedy, Derek Thomas. First I'll just shout out Jack Lambert, middle linebacker for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steel Curtain nine time Pro Bowler, six time first team all Pro hall of Famer, four time Zebra bowl champ. Just a ferocious middle linebacker. One of his nicknames, Dracula in Cleats. I didn't know he was called Dracula in cleats. That. That alone makes me want a Jack Lambert card. That's badass. Yu-Gi-Oh so shout out Jack Lambert. Who'd you put down for 58? Derek Thomas. It was an easy one for me based on just childhood nostalgia. When I was. You sent over the sheet and I was selected Thomas. I instantly got up from my chair and went back and I should have grabbed it, but my 94 Sega NFL football with Montana on the COVID I was like, I'm pretty sure Derrick Thomas is one of like the six guys on the back of this game. And I flipped it over and Yu-Gi-Oh he sure was. So I always, I remember, like, I don't think that was my. That wasn't my first exposure to Derek Thomas because I had like a bunch of his starting lineups growing up as a kid. But that made him feel like such a big star at the time, having a defensive player get promoted like that. So I think Derek Thomas, easy one. If you're a Chiefs fan, he's beloved. He's defensive rookie of the year in 1989. NFL man of the year in 93. Two time first team all pro, three time second team all pro NFL sacks leader in 1990. A great story about Derek Thomas on Veterans Day in 1990 against the Seattle Seahawks, Tomics exploded for an NFL single game record of seven sacks after reading in a local paper that he was on a sack slump. So how about that motivation? Just know, you know, whatever. Like I'm going to go out there and just get seven sacks, which is. That is just such a feat. So, you know, unfortunately, Derek Thomas's life ended early. He was the only. He's the only player in NFL history to die during their career that was later inducted into the NFL hall of Fame. I see a ton of Derek Thomas cards and Chiefs fans collecting him. And so, Yu-Gi-Oh the highest selling card of Derek Thomas, he falls in definitely into the. The Kaboom category, where his 2020 Gold Kaboom sold for $10,380 in October of 2025. Probably one of those guys who doesn't have the most robust catalog. We all know the Kaboom story, but he also has. We'll throw this up because this card, this card rules. And I'm looking right at it for $5,520 in April of 26. He's got a 24 karat gold that sold in a PSA 8 pop too. So shout out Derek Thomas, one of the Alltime greats. That card, that 24 Garrett Goldin is sick gold. I don't know if I've ever seen it before, dude. Gold with the Chiefs, like some of my Priest Holmes cards, I, they just are meant to have, you know, when it works, it works. He has a red and green PMG right under there too. I was just looking up his sales as well. That green PMG is nasty. Sold for 4, $300 back in August of 2023 for a PSA 77500 CL value. Right now. I think this is a 10k card if it, if it goes up for auction today. Yu-Gi-Oh that red, it looked like sold for 5k recently. So if a red's going for 5 defensive players, man, this rules players. I was looking up, Yu-Gi-Oh I, we talked about Derek Thomas, I think 55, 55 for his college number for Alabama when he had, I forget the exact number. I think it was like 27 sacks in one of those seasons. But Yu-Gi-Oh his second year in the NFL he had a 20 sack season in 11 years. His career, which yes was tragically cut short. He was only 32. He had 126 and a half sacks through 11 seasons. So averaging over 10 sacks a year for his entire career is pretty awesome. And like was still clearly an effective player. He had had 12 sacks at 98, seven in 99 and that was his last season. But Yu-Gi-Oh just a beast. I, I, in reading about him and his life, the car accident that he got into, I didn't realize he was heading to the airport to Whatnot the NFC championship game. He was getting on a plane to go watch football. So to me I was just like, man, this dude was just all ball all the time spending his time away from the game, at the game. So that was a nugget that I wanted to shout out. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Also have to shout out a couple more. Von Miller, 58, eight time Pro Bowler, three time first team all probably two time Zebra bowl champion, a Zebra Bowl MVP, Zebra Bowl 50 for the Denver Broncos and then also one-of-one a another Zebra bowl with the Rams in 2021. But Von Miller, just Absolute stud, still playing, still doing it. And then who else on the top? Av. So Jack Lambert is number one on av. But if you look down, I saw some good. Oh, Panay Sewell is up there. Shout out the lineman out there. Matt Milano, Carlos Dansby, Peter Bulware. These are Peter Bulware. He was kind of scary, man. Yu-Gi-Oh Ray Malaga. Yu-Gi-Oh there's some, there's some names. Roquan Smith for a Few years with The Bears was 58 before changing to zero on the Ravens. And how about this? Shout out Gary Brackett. Yu-Gi-Oh I, I thought about, I didn't want to go too homer, but that was. He was on my mind. But yes, Gary Brackett definitely the linebacker for a lot of winning teams. Overachiever from Rutker. So shout out Gary Brackett. Yu-Gi-Oh he kind of came in, I feel like out of, not out of nowhere, but I just remember him being like a story, a feel good story. Like. Yu-Gi-Oh he was like a late round pick, right? Maybe. Yep. Shout out Gary Brackett, Zebra bowl champion. Or was Gary Brackett undrafted? That's what made so much time has passed that we're looking it up right now. Gary Bracket owned a bunch of restaurants in Indy as well. You look up his drafting. I'm looking up a highest selling Gary Bracket card. Does Gary Bracket. Yu-Gi-Oh I would love to see that. Okay, this is cool. A 2005 tops. Total Robert Mathis, Gary Brackett dual card in a PSA 10 sold for $160. Let's go. Last April in 03, Bracket signed with the Colts as an undrafted free agent and he was not selected in the 2003 NFL Draft. That's what I thought. There we go. Quick, Von Miller before we move on. I will always love Von Miller. Obviously great player, but Von Miller was responsible for. I believe it still sits at the record of my highest converting gamble of all time. I put Zebra Bowl, I put a hundred bucks on a parlay to have the Broncos cover or the Broncos one-of-one which I believe they were underdogs. And I said if the Broncos are going to one-of-one unfortunately it's not going to be because of Peyton Manning. It's going to be because of their defense. And the narrative I was saying was Von Miller was their best player. So I'll parlay this into a prop of Zebra bowl mvp, which Vaughn Miller one-of-one that. And it was a crazy, it was a crazy payout. So after that I was like pumped for Manning to be able to, you know, walk off into the sunset. But then I was just like, Von Miller, I will forever love you because of this payday you gave me on this Zebra Bowl. Yu-Gi-Oh I'd be PC and Von Miller after that, his highest selling card, $10,800 for purple Zebra bowl Kaboom. 20, 25 purple Kaboom. And then let's see his top five sales, all kabooms. And then let's see, six through 11 are downtowns. And then 12, 13, 14, 15. I'm just trying to get to. All right, November 2024. $2,900 for his 2013 black finite. One of one. This card looks badass. 2900 bucks. That's a bin. What year was that? His 2013. No, what year was the. The sale? The sale was 2024. So two years ago, November. That would be one that I would be like, this is probably three times that now. Yu-Gi-Oh Cl says 5700, but I. Yu-Gi-Oh I think so in January, one of his 2014 gold Prizm sold for 2100, 2200. So. Dude, dude, you know, funny. What year was that with the gold? 2014 gold. What year, though, was that sale? Oh, January of this year. Okay. When I got my 2014 Manning Gold on a gold Prizm on ebay, it was a bin smash. It's like twelve hundred dollars. This was, like, several years ago. I no longer own this card, but I remember vividly being like, it was a lot. A lot of money for me definitely at that time to, like, hit bin smash. But I was like, this is like, you one-of-one ever see this. But there was also a Von Miller gold, and it was like, it was so cheap, too. And I was like, should I get the Von Miller, too? I'm like, I'm not a Broncos guy, so I shouldn't do this. But I remember that being listed alongside the Manning. That. Yu-Gi-Oh All right, good. 58 linebacker. Summer marches on. Then 59 and then 60s. What? 60s is probably lineman, right? That's got to be. Yu-Gi-Oh because we're gonna get into big, ugly fall. I like the bra. I like the branding. We gotta shout out Card Ladder, by the way, the official sponsor of the football card podcast. I can't wait to spend some time with Card Ladder. I'll be there. That's where I'm getting in. Dropping my bags, and I'm doing some content over there. When I get in, I'll be there for a lot of the week, so would love to connect with you, loyal listener at the card letter booth at some point. Yu-Gi-Oh I was able to swing by there yesterday. Still very much under construction, but, Yu-Gi-Oh that's going to be the spot. That is like, that's the Plymouth Rock of. You just got to go get your bearings straight. Just head to the card ladder booth, set up shop, look around. You'll find who you need to find. Maybe we can get Josh to get the espresso machine going next year. Like, we can have a Josh. Could be the barista and, you know, talk Zebra fractures, talk finites, and maybe serve us Up a little cortado while we're talking cards. That's a good call. There's not enough coffee offerings on the national Fleer I don't think there's. I wonder if that fudge stand will be back. I always see the fudge fudge booth and I'm like, who's buying the fudge at Natural? How many monster energy drinks, though, will be crushed in that. That crowd? Oh, dozens. Too many. All right, should we get into some questions? Yes, let's do it. Okay. Episode 58. So first up, we touched on last week the reporting of sales or not reporting of sales and kind of gave our takes there. And a listener who wants to remain anonymous just sent a lot of messages about this and I'll paraphrase some of this. He goes, hey guys, I have a rather nuanced comment here. It'll be a little long, but I do think it's important. Your topic was around reporting, which is a great topic. Sounds like it was on your mind's. I have a career's worth of experience on this Topps now retired, but was a commodity trader for virtually all of my career at a large global company with large legal and compliance army behind me. All of that to say. Here's his summary. He goes when it comes to reporting private deals, I think it's important for everyone to decide for themselves if they will always price report or never price report. It is very important to be one extreme or the other. Otherwise, if you leave room to be a sometime price reporter, then you by definition leave room for consideration along the lines of, well, does it benefit me to report? At a minimum, that is a conflict of interest and quite realistically it is price manipulation. Some might say that they are not the type to manipulate a market. But if you leave yourself the gray area to decide on a case by case basis to price report, it is hard not to have a layer of motivation in some cases, but not others simply based on if reporting is a benefit to you or not. I think you referred to this exactly, but Yu-Gi-Oh because I'm not personally looking for a shout out. Glad you appreciate the comments. Just wanted to give it attention. Glad that you guys are talking about this topic. So I just thought it was a good perspective to think about. It made me think about yesterday. I may have sat at a blackjack table for a little bit and it's like either always hit on 16 or you never hit on 16. You just gotta commit one way or the other and just stay true to that. So I. I do think that's probably some sound advice on the reporting, like either do it or you don't. Dude. I've been having so many private conversations with people on this topic and that is the easily the best piece of advice that I have received so far. And this is such a real like timely feedback because I was sending cards to auction and I was trying to figure out what I value this patch auto auction and there was a card that I purchased privately that was a part of it and I looked up on Card Ladder, the card I was like I wonder when this sold last. And it was my sale and it was a private sale and I had totally forgotten that I had reported this card to Card Ladder. So it sounds like I'm on the hook because I have already done this, that I need to always do this when I can. So Yu-Gi-Oh this has me thinking about things a little bit differently. But great feedback. Yes. All right, got a few more. Next up from TKD Tickets, shout out TKD Tickets question Asker of the year so far. Last week you shared the 2003 Madden PSA graded pickup. I think that those kinds of companion pieces really round out a collection. They evoke nostalgia, make great display pieces and generate conversation. I've added a couple graded Sports Illustrated to my collection. I have the Phil Sims and Eli Manning Zebra bowl covers. Are there any Sports Illustrated or magazines in general that trigger that nostalgia hit for you? Mine was easy immediately. And I every time I go to my parents house there's this up in the bedroom where I sleep if I stay the night over there, if like my family stand there, there's like an old magazine rack and every time I like go pick up the magazine to look at it. So it was like burned vividly in my brain. But it's the cult heroes with Peyton Manning on the front. It was after apologies for the Zebra Bowl 41 one-of-one But that like Sports Illustrated I dude, I've looked through it so many times and the image is just like when I was reading the question burned into my brain. So I've never thought about grading video games. I've never thought about grading magazines. But all this talk track on here and all the constant conversations and the items you're showing, like it's got me thinking maybe I want to do this, get some graded stuff and just put it up on the back shelf. It keep that memory alive. Yu-Gi-Oh that is a great cover. I, I'm very cover curious right now. Or just alternate like I do love the Madden graded game and just like, like he's saying Like TKD saying it is like a cool display piece and kind of just add some variants to my bookshelf with all my collectibles in there covers for me. That's funny. One that jumped into my mind was the Bears after they one-of-one the NFC championship that year. It's Erlocker on the COVID and he's like exhaling and you can see his breath because it's cold and a little snowy in the NFC championship game after they beat the Saints. And the headline is waiting for Peyton, which is pretty sick. That was a great game by that NFC championship was awesome. Oh, they just crushed them. Yu-Gi-Oh that was awesome. The. The. Them winning the Zebra Bowl. I had that cover as a kid. I remembered. I mean I'm sure it wasn't in good condition, but it just was like the Prizm. The Patriots. But then what really I was thinking about when I first read this question because I've been looking into magazines. I go more of like non sports, like slam first. There's a lot of slams that come to mind. Specifically the one with like, I think it's Darius Miles, Lamar Odin and Quentin Richardson and they're all wearing like each other's jerseys backwards. It's just like the sickest cover ever. There is a signed raw copy on ebay that I keep looking at. I'm like, by all of them it says it is, but then I'm like, like it's not graded or authenticated yet. And I'm like, do I really want to spend. I think it's like 200 on this if it's like not real autographs. So I have a hesitation there. But then on the non sports side, XXL, the Eminem, 50 Cent, Dr. Dre, money, power, respect cover was just like an all time nostalgic moment. Like that was just such a sick cover and ego trip. And I don't know, there's a bunch of other just like older hip hop covers that come to mind that to me I want to maybe track down, get cool copies graded. But Yu-Gi-Oh it's definitely. If you're just a collector of stuff. Like I feel like it's natural to start looking at other things too. And why not like even looking at behind you right now on that shelf, it's like you got vinyl, you've got a belt. You know, like it's just having like the variants of sizes and things. It's. That's what we do. Did the magazines bring me back to playing football in high school and like hopping in my boy's car and like I just like. I mean, I just like talking about this. I hear like just three six mafia, just like Project Pat, like banging with the subs in the back and like just looking at the backseat and there's just like source magazines. Like I would just pull the source and I'd be like looking through it. I'll be like, this is awesome. So that just hit me pretty hard thinking about that. Oh, I had two Alpine 12 inch figures in the back. You had to three, six most known unknowns. So time and place, an era. Yu-Gi-Oh Shout Out. Shout out magazine. The one thing though is every time I see the magazine, I want to read it or I want to then read the article. Yu-Gi-Oh remove. So it's like you need the display one, but then you need the like the raw copy one that you can open it and look at. So like, what is it with sneakers? The one to rock, one to stock. You buy two pairs and stash one where the other. This is what we're gonna do. You and I are gonna just buy a bunch of old nostalgic magazines for cheap and we're gonna start like a arena club for magazines and make a ton of money. And so people are just like ripping packs of magazines. That's. That's what. That's where we're gonna become millionaires. So we're gonna start pumping magazines here on the football card podcast. Yu-Gi-Oh Just imagining the logistics of like 12 graded magazines wrapped in a pack. And it's like the first 11 are just base magazine. You're just chucking these slabs. That's the other thing. Like graded vinyl. I like the idea, but you as a vinyl collector, it's like, I want to be able to. Opening of vinyl and seeing all the inserts is like one of the best parts of it. And to remove that is just a. A mental hurdle. I like, I'd rather have a copy that I can look through than like a pristine copy that it's just like locked into place. But especially if you're spending the money on the deluxe with the double with the gate fold and all the inserts and all the stickers and the liner notes, all that stuff. Yu-Gi-Oh that's gotta. That's kind of hand. You got to be hands on with that. Yu-Gi-Oh All right, next up, from Bolt card crew, who's actually given TKD tickets around for his money bull carcass for question asker of the year. High Motor on both High Motor here. Here's the list of top 10 retired players by number of card sales last week on card ladder and he told me that he double checked this, that there's no Yu-Gi-Oh errors after the Erlocker Patriots debacle. If you were to invest in three of them, which would you choose and why? The order is Brady 1. Manning 2, Barry Sanders 3. Emmett Smith 4. Jerry Rice 5. Joe Montana 6. Dan Marino 7. Brett Favre of 8, Randy Moss 9, John Elway 10. So by the way, as we're recording this, I just look over, I'm like, what is that pounding? They're literally my next door neighbors. There's like guys just ripping their fence down. So there's like a massacre. I was like, what is that banging? So apologies, listeners. Hopefully. Okay, perfect. Good. Then certainly hear it. But you know, we like to talk about collecting, we like to talk about psychology, we like to talk about meaning. But you know what, let's put on our investor hat. You know, some podcasts one-of-one tackle this, but I'm going to answer this from the perspective. Actually, I'm just going to share it all. I'm going to answer this from players that resonate with me based on this list and what cards I would buy if I could. Because I thought these cards were good buys right now. So I'll start first. And this is the obvious one. 1998 Metal Universe Championship. Peyton Manning, PMG. It is his rookie. There's the one of one that is the Gym Masters is up for auction. Which Sweat 47 made me my favorite pop of the week. I laugh so hard because he was talking about the Gym Masters, basically saying it was an ugly card. And I was like, you know what? He's kind of right. Like this guy, it's this, this card's kind of stinky looking. Like if the PMG was the one of one, then it would be like an almighty card because of the scopes and everything. But if you look at the one of one, it's like dark and it smells like. I feel like if I pulled that card out of the slab, it would smell like cigarettes. Like it just. It has Michelob bottle. Like it looks like a Michelo bottle. Like that. So. But anyways, that one's up for auction at Heritage. So I mean, I just go buy the PMG right now because that card's gonna sell for God knows what. So there's one shout out, Peyton. You rule. I also. What else did I put here? I put any gold prismatom Brady. I just, I feel very good about that. I know they're expensive right now, but I low grade, like, whatever. If I can get like a PSA 7 of like a. I don't know, a random year. Like I would go for that because I just feel like there's only so many. That's a good one and it's not a one of one, so you might be able to afford it. And then I. Montana. So I went quarterback route, like safe Montana. I, I forever think is an undervalued guy again, like Josh Allen. Montana is another guy, which I'm in a new era of my collecting and I, I feel like there will be a Joe Montana card in my collection at some point soon. But I love his ultimate collection stuff. I just think it kicks ass and I think the fact that it might be post playing days deters it a little bit, but it has all of the elements. So I would probably pull something from the ultimate collection. There's some great Montana stuff in there. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm looking at the Manning on Heritage right now currently with buyer's premium at 164,000 with 24 days left. What's that going to get to? What's your. What's your prediction? It. It estimates. The estimate I think they put on is half a million. And I thought that was still like, I thought that was kind of low, like when you consider everything. But I don't know. What do you think? Yu-Gi-Oh I, I don't know. It's so hard because I feel like this is just going to draw attention from all different Topps of crowds. Not just like Manning collectors, not just sports collectors, but investment Topps like Mr. Wonderful. Is he coming for the Peyton? Are we going to see the Peyton Gym Masters around the neck. But I agree, the design of that year is just not my favorite. The. It's poopy and it looks. It looks a little cigarette. It looks like a beer bottle from the 1980s. Yu-Gi-Oh And now in hand, maybe. It's awesome. So who knows? I don't want to downplay this card for whoever ends up buying it. But the. Yu-Gi-Oh just not. Not my favorite one of one finish. I'll say that. No. Yu-Gi-Oh All right. Oh, for me, I don't know. I think Payton is a Goodbye Randy Moss and Jerry Rice. There's my top three because I think Brady is already like, Yu-Gi-Oh Brady's Brady. So I'm looking lower at the list. John Elway at 10 is kind of surprising to me. Like, I don't know. John Elway, Josh Allen. Copy. There's your. You know, like if Josh Allen were to, like I referred to earlier, one-of-one two Zebra Bowls. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean it could happen because it happened With Elway later in his career. Granted, his. It did help that he had trail Davis. So Yu-Gi-Oh I don't know, it'll be. I think Josh Allen's story arc is one of the more interesting ones we've seen in football in a while. Yu-Gi-Oh And he's just again, I think I point, like, if you've ever had Josh Allen in fantasy, you've had a good year. He always puts up numbers. He just never lets you down. So I feel like so many people are fans of Josh Allen because if you ever had him, you're like, holy, this guy's giving me 40 points a game. Like, hell Yu-Gi-Oh Josh Allen. The guaranteed rushing touchdown, maybe two, plus the passing. What is the. Here, let me look it up real quick just for an update. All time rushing touchdown leaders. Josh Allen's 23rd all time in rushing touchdowns was 79 ahead of running backs like Tony Dorsett, Earl Campbell, LaShawn McCoy, Steven Jackson. Like, that's insane. Eddie George. Josh Allen has 79 rushing touchdowns. He's going to break 120. Like he can get 21 rushing touchdowns in the next two years and he'll be past Marshall Falk and be in the top 10, which is just wild. All right, last question. Kind of maybe piggybacks into the Peyton Manning discussion. But from Pack to the Future podcast, give me your best all time starting defense that would stand a chance against the unstoppable force that is Drake's PC and his quest to Uptown every single Payton Manning card that I could ever wish to own. I'll hand up. I'll hang up and listen. Thanks. You know, I think it's probably some combination of blitz stunts from the likes of Mr. Wonderful, Shine, Josh Luber and Spinatron. Like those are. That's those guys. If they're blitzing those, those mega bids against Drake, Drake's toast, man. Those guys are. They're going to be bringing it hard. So, Drake, you got some competition, man. Those guys are going to get you. Oh, I was just thinking, Tracy Porter. Don't do that to me. I actually put in a text this week. That is one game I've never been able to bring myself to watching, not even the first half. I just, I want nothing to do with this. Never, never need to. You burn that tape or Ty Law. Tracy Porter and Ty Law back there. Drake's throwing his bids right to him. All right, good questions, everyone. There were more that came in, but admittedly I was traveling. All Tuesday. I'd asked the question Monday, I didn't get every not as prepped for this episode as normal, but we are fighting through. But we'll get to some of the questions that we may have missed this week, next week. And as always, keep asking your awesome questions. We appreciate it. Yu-Gi-Oh we're here for you. This is just a little abbreviated. There's a lot going on. So appreciate you being here. We wanted to make sure we had this piece of content out and Yu-Gi-Oh it's just a little less prepared than normal, but hopefully you're still enjoying. We'll do it live. Do it live. All right, Market Watch, let's do it. Market Watch brought to you by our good friends at Card Ladder. A guy that just seems like he is out of the conversation when he was so much a part of the conversation. By the way, I just got back and saw the video. It's been a while, but like the Roth card sale of the Black Friday night. Yu-Gi-Oh In the setting he's like $2 million. Like how about. How about half a million? Okay. But his which is a monster sale. So congratulations Roth cars. I'm sure you're still enjoying that one and all the clips that follow. But his nebula choice, one of one, just went off the board in a PSA9 for the second time. This sold in the premiere for eleven hundred thousand dollars. 111,000. Sorry, the coffee. The coffee hasn't hit yet. But what is interesting about this sale, which this card looks amazing. His this is the second public sale and this card sold in August for 192k. So definitely a fall from grace. But we know this. This is what happens when you sell a card like this less than a year apart. Like you're. It's gonna get a haircut. And that is. I mean that's a pretty substantial haircut. Yu-Gi-Oh And again the back to the Caleb Williams of it all in the I remember after their rookie years, Jaden Daniels went to the NFC championship game. He was like the next one. He was the most electric young quarterback. He the finite sale happened for half a million dollars. There's all that momentum and then just a not great sophomore year throwing some injuries. And like what this card after his rookie year would have sold for especially with the finite comp of 500,000 I would imagine is in the. In that range, you know, maybe a little lower. Even if you say 250, you know, like how that's, you know. Yu-Gi-Oh Easily a $300,000 card after his rookie year. But Yu-Gi-Oh And that. Yu-Gi-Oh that's just the nature of the active QBs. But we'll see what happens next. All right, we've got three PMG sales and I just want to shout out which I love it when listeners kind of open my eyes a little bit to, to some of this stuff. But so we have some quarterbacks. We've got John Elway and 97 Metal Universe PMG Reds selling for in a PSA 8 selling for 15K. We've got a Dan Marino and a PSA 8 selling for 19.2K. We've got a Steve Young and a PSA 7 selling for 16.2K. And I think we have. I'm going to pull this up. We have talked a lot about these cards and there being so many. But I think the story here is the desire of the market of collectors to want the highest graded copy. On July 5th, a PSA 7 Elway sold for 8. 400. And so this sale is a 8 selling for 15,000. So it's almost like one grade higher doubles it. The Marino in July or this sale was 19.2. Okay. And a PSA 8, his PSA 7 sold in July for 11,000. And then the Steve Young. You have 16 2K on the Steve Young. And then in June of this year that's a PSA 7 and a. A PSA 6 sold for $7,722. So that's. People want. Who are collecting this stuff want the highest grade possible and that's going to drive up the price for sure. I'll say the thing that jumped out to me because. But after hearing your point about the grade, that all makes sense. The Steve Young's A seven were the Marino and Elway both eights. The. The Marino was an eight and the O was an eight. Yep. The highest selling of the three. Dan Marino. Zero Zebra Bowls. Zero Zebra Bowls. That is so such an interesting point. I think that would be. Here's a question for you. Elway, Marino, Young, without looking at stats, knowing what you know, who in your opinion was the best quarterback between those three or how would you rank them? I think it's Marina like that's what I said. Marino was unbelievable. He just never one-of-one the Zebra Bowl. The numbers are ridiculous like that. My whole childhood growing up, it was like the Marino touchdown record 420. Like will it ever be broken and then like it's been shattered like five times over. But Yu-Gi-Oh I mean he just. And, and that, that's just interesting that like the memorable player who was the most skilled of the three because like Steve Young I feel like is always in Joe Montana shadow. Even though Steve Young had an MVP and one-of-one a Zebra Bowl. It was still great stats. Great stats. But Yu-Gi-Oh there's something about. Yu-Gi-Oh Marino pop culture crossover too. I mean, you have Ace Ventura. I was. When I was growing up, the Colts Goldin beat them. They were in the same division. And like when Marino was coming to town, it was like the biggest deal and he was just so good. Not saying Elway wasn't. Elway was and so was Steve Young. But I think for my money, Dan Marino was the best player of the bunch. Yes, agreed. I'm also. Let's see, real quick. I wanted to look up because I know Elway. As far as completion percentage chatter goes, that always is hanging over Caleb Williams because his career is 60% completion. Elway's career completion percentage is 56.9 and Marino's career completion percentage is 59.4 and Steve Young's is 64.9. Yu-Gi-Oh Steve Young analytics are pretty nice. But early on, Steve Young was his first seasons. Granted, these aren't always full seasons. 52, 53, 53, 53, 69, 61, 64. All just completion percentage. People need to shut up. That was never a thing until the last couple years. It seems like as like far as a benchmark for quarterback like young quarterbacks. I had a moment, I think I presented it here when we were doing the football Card podcast in season and looking at all the tweets and everything, all the, you know, criticisms and this and that. And I just remember being like, we've. We've jumped the shark this year on, on. On the coverage of each individual player. And I can't imagine what it's going to be like this year. It's like every pass is scrutinized and it's like, this is not a world I want to be a part of at all. No, it's. It's quite annoying. Every interview it comes up. Every like talking head does the same thing. And I'm just ready for the games now. Is not like everyone's just. All they can do is do the same talking points over and over and over until they have new material. So. Need new material. All right, we move over to another quarterback here. Which. Here's the question for you, pal. Marino, Elway Young or Drew Brees? Yu-Gi-Oh Breeze, right? Yu-Gi-Oh Breeze number one for sure. Dude. He beat my team in the Zebra Bowl. His. His seasons were nuclear. He had that stretch of seasons that were just like nuclear. Like you go play in the Superdome and he just toss it up and they score a touchdown every play Yu-Gi-Oh it's almost like it became so normal that it wasn't impressive anymore. But, like, then when you look back, like some of these passing yard seasons, let's start from 2008 to 2016. He went for 5,000, then 4,300, 4,600, 5,400, 5,100, 5,100, 4,900, 4,800, 5,200. Like, he has 80, 000 career passing yards. Like, let's see, most passing yards in a season, NFL. Like, I know Manning's number one, but Breeze has to just be all over the top 10. So Manning's one, Breeze is two, Brady's three, Mahomes is four. Brady, Breeze, Breeze, Breeze. Roethlisberger, Jameis Winston. 10th most passing yards in a season, 5109. Shout out to. But, Yu-Gi-Oh Breeze is all. Was that the season where he had, like, 30 touchdowns and 30 interceptions? I think so. What an iconic season. The 30. 30. 33 touchdowns, 30 picks. So sick. So. So Drew Brees, like, this guy, talk about, like, being over time, being lost in the shadow. I think us Manning fans feel that about the Brady factor and how it's like Brady is so overwhelmingly the, like, most recognizable and popular player because of his Zebra Bowls. And us Manning fans are like, it's always like, the angles are like, well, did you watch Peyton Manning play? But like, I can't imagine, like, the Breeze apologist because Breeze is even further down the list based on, like, the recognition over time. And Breeze beat Manning in a Zebra Bowl. I can't believe I'm saying that out loud, but it's true. I just think, like, I don't know, I look at all the players like a player like Drew Brees to me, like, I feels like from a collectibility perspective will age like a fine one-of-one just based on not only winning a Zebra bowl, but the stats are just insane. So the card is the 2014 Finest Superfractor in a PSA 10. And this card sold in 22 two times. First time for $1,232. The second sale in 22 was for $2,310. And then this card just sells in the weekly for $10,800. Yu-Gi-Oh Sick card. Very sick card. Sick card. All right, we're closing it out with you. Got to talk about Mark Sanchez, especially because he's got a pending criminal trial here in Indianapolis. I was just on jury duty recently. I actually got elected to the bench and was in a criminal trial as a juror, which was quite the experience. But when I got called in, I was like, dude, if it's the Mark Sanchez trial, like, I'm gonna lose my mind. I'm pretty sure I'd be disqualified because they would be like, aren't you the guy on the football card podcast? And I was like, Yu-Gi-Oh And they're like, you can't be here. So. But Sanchez, time and place actually, like, you know, he gets a lot of butt. Fumble. Hot dog on the sideline. Dude, this guy, like the Colts played him in the AFC championship. I mean, like, they had a run. Like that was a team that was like the last time the jets were like, really good. And so his 2009 Topps Chrome Superfractor Rookie Auto 1 of 1 went off the board MC Sports Cards for $3,557. So quite the sale for Mark Sanchez. Yu-Gi-Oh the Sanchez. Yu-Gi-Oh the back to back AFC championship runs as a rookie and his second year. Insane how much like one play the buff humble can like change your career. Yep, he was decent for, you know, three and a half years in the league. But that defense helped quite a bit. 100%. I wish you were on the San the trial. Can you imagine? That would have been amazing. Just given the football card pod updates, live tweeting from the. As a juror, I'm pretty sure I'd be arrested. I don't think you can do that, but. Yu-Gi-Oh But what a card. That's a, that's a sticker auto though, right? Yu-Gi-Oh it sucks. But the card itself is like the action shot at the rookie photo shoot. Like, it's. It's so good. I love, I love the card. Even though it's like a sticker auto, it's. Well, and it's hard to tell it's a sticker auto, which if you're gonna have a sticker auto, at least make it very difficult for me to know. Or. It's funny that I almost even prefer the like older Contenders where the autograph thing is like the silver block, like, which is even more clearly a sticker auto than a clear one. But for some reason it just kind of aesthetically looks a little better. Like if you're gonna give me a sticker, put some, put some weight on it. Make it like silvery or not just clear plastic. Whatever. Saran Wrap. But those are the sales. Thank you card ladder for the data. All right. Any pickups I got, I got nothing. I'm gonna see. No, I'm, I'm, I'm in sales mode right now. Yu-Gi-Oh it's been rough, but it's I mean, I'm feeling invigorated. It's cutting down the collection, building up the collection. I'm. I'm. I haven't. I haven't had one of these in, like, three years. And I'm going through one right now. So no pickups to report on. Oh, actually, I have one that pissed me off. So DeAndre Swift, 2025 Prizm Gold popped up in London or in the UK and it, like, I'm. So I'm offering, like, you know, it's doing the conversion on there, and I get it for US$20. Like, he accepts my offer for US$20. I was like, oh, sick. Shipping's 25 u. S. I did. I just didn't notice or pay attention. And I. Because then, like, I saw it, like, I sent the offer and then, like, it hit my card and I got the notification. It was like $50. I'm like, the. Well, there was not a 50 block card. And then I look and got me on shipping, so. Damn tariffs. I know I don't even have the card yet, but that pissed me off. What was the card? Shipping? Pay attention to shipping, everyone. It was a gold Prizm 2025 Prizm gold. DeAndre Swift. So I still feel like you. You made out pretty well on 50 bucks all in. Yu-Gi-Oh like, not mad at that. It was more the thinking I had landed it for 20, 25 and got blindsided by the. The pounds. They hit me with the. The pounds. All right, card call out. National pickups. Come on. National pickups. So, like, if you're not there, pass national pickups. Yes. And any card you've ever acquired at the national, send them. Tag the football card pod. We will share on our Instagram story if you are at the National. If you're listening to this on Friday, I'm still there Friday. I leave Saturday morning, but I leave Sunday, so I'll be there. Okay. Yu-Gi-Oh Come say what's up to the boys. We'll be around. Thank you all for listening. See you next week. So excited about getting into the mix at the national, doing content connecting with many of you. Make sure you share your pickups and tag us at the football card podcast on Instagram. Safe travels in Happy national. Happy collecting. Take care. Talk to you soon.