The Hobby Through a New Collector’s Eyes + What Belongs in Your PC? + Collecting With Intention

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Michael Jordan Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now Jeremy Lee in the building and every guess that you ever needed Sports cards after hours keep the hobby heated Updates homie talk like you never seen it Sports cards live and I could ever beat it Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now welcome to another episode of Sports Cards Live with your host, Jeremy Lee. We're gonna switch it up and we are going to bring on our featured guest for the night. His name is Jace. Everybody goes by ace of grades 28 on Instagram. We've been talking for a while. We hung out at the expo in Toronto a couple of weeks ago and. And we're going to talk about a few things. We're gonna get to know him and, and hear a few things of a few things about kind of finding your way in the hobby. I see more comments coming in so we will perhaps get to some of them later. But guys, Sport David and to the Sports Cards live chat, please help me in welcoming. Are you ready? Jace, you ready to come up? Please help me welcome Jace to the show Ace of Graves. Jace, welcome. How are you, buddy? I'm great. How are you guys? Doing good. Doing good. David, Hello. Welcome to the show. Good to have you on. Thanks for having me. Nice to meet you, David. Nice to meet you. All right, guys. So listen, Jason, I were chatting and I thought he'd give us a good perspective of someone new coming to Hobby. Now, Jase, before we jump in with your origin story and all that, you've been in the back for about 10 minutes or so, 15 minutes listening to the conversation what do you think about what's going on with grading? Inconsistency and delays and expansion? How do you feel about that? Any thoughts based on the discussion that you just heard? Yeah, I mean, you guys have talked about it many times before, but I don't have too much experience in the space. But from what I can see, obviously there's definitely some inconsistencies and I don't know, as big of a company as PSA is, like, the billions of dollars that's being put into the industry, I'm kind of surprised that it's not more of a big deal that, you know, cards are getting resubmitted and they're getting different grades, authentic, altered. Like, I think that's a pretty big problem that needs to be addressed. That, you know, not just on podcasts. Like, I'm surprised. You know, it could be a real news story if you think about it. But at the same time, I think, yeah, for someone like me who doesn't know too much about, like, the details, for example, in vintage or 90s refractors, a bunch of error cards, some duplicates, I think that grading can definitely give you some comfortability to be able to jump into spaces that you aren't too familiar with. So I love it. But I'm like, you guys, I don't really grade too many cards. I mean, the cost and the time is just for me. My pockets aren't too deep anyways, so I would rather just buy graded cards. And I think, you know, you can find some good deals too. Find some low grade, good eye appeal stuff, like you guys always say. So, you know, there's, there's pros and cons with grading, but I definitely, I definitely get the good end of it sometimes as well. So. Yeah, I appreciate the comments, Jason. I'm just gonna update your. Your name bar here. There we go. Now we got your name, we got your Instagram handle beneath it. Guys, if you're on Instagram, go give Jace a follow at ace of grades 28. Speaking about Instagram handles, guys, help me. Let's. Let's lynch my good buddy David Chase here and say, David, what's up with your Instagram handle? It's all. It's about real estate or something. Do you. Can you just create a card account already? Like, what's going on? Seriously, buddy, I mean, I don't have a YouTube account, I don't have an Instagram account. I don't post on Facebook. Listen, I. I'm a regular person that doesn't like social media, all right? And the thing that I do respect about my Instagram account is I have a lot of followers. I have zero posts. And I'm kind of proud of that. But you're right, I probably need to change that someday. Yeah, chat. Let him know. Please let him know. We need David Chase to start. Nobody cares. They've seen me enough. Come on. I can't. That might be true, but that. That might be true. No, come on. We're going to see a lot more. If you see Charles saying, come on, David, get yourself an Instagram. My buddy Jace has an Instagram account. Ace of grades 28. Jace, tell us a little bit about your, your origin story. When did you get into the hobby? What kind of cards do you collect? What drew you into the hobby? Go ahead, let people know. Let people hear your, your, your journey so far. Awesome. So, yeah, I'm. I'm 24. I soon to be 24, so I haven't been around too long, but I really have been collecting my whole life. Cards have always been a thing for me. Growing up, it was mostly Pokemon with my older brother and my cousin, but I did have some sports cards. I remember Upper Deck, mvp. Hockey was a big deal for me back then. Some Topps, Chrome, baseball. That was always the big thing for me growing up. Still got those ones. But I've been a bit of a treasure hunter, as I like to say as well. It wasn't just cards. I got into comics growing up, some memorabilia, different, you know, media, things like Harry Potter I'm really big into. But as far as diving into cards, that didn't really happen until about 2020. And I started seeing a lot of people buying and selling and posting their stuff online. And I thought, you know what? I've always loved this. Maybe it's a great way to start a little bit of a side hustle. Maybe I can become a little bit of a flip flipper. And I remember I bought an RJ Barrett Prism draft pick, Silver Prism rookie card. And I thought it was the craziest thing. I thought I was getting the best steal in the world and started buying rookie cards. And trying to make the flipping happen was a lot harder than I thought it would be, first of all. But then along the way, I pretty much just kind of fell in love with the cards and really just held on to most of the stuff that I bought pretty much up until last year. I mean, I've been trying for the last year now to sell some stuff and really, I guess, figure out my PC lane and what direction I'm going. And so I'm just trying to balance out the flipping to fund the PC, but at the same time trying to build that collection up and see where it gets me. And yeah, yeah. You know, it reminds me, I remember talking a lot during the pandemic run up of the hobby, how the. There were all these new people coming in. A lot of them were coming in, you know, a lot of them saw dollar signs after those first headlines were making their way, after people were discovering their collections out of boredom. And then people discovered the marketplace and we had all these flippers coming in. And flippers, you know, especially in this, not especially, but often in this chat, aren't looked upon kindly in many, in many cases. And I think they're a part of the ecosystem, there is a place for them. But, you know, I remember thinking to myself, we have all. If we have a thousand new people coming to the hobby right now with dollar signs in their eyes when the, when the, when the party sort of ends. When we had, we had the, we had the correction, let's say we lost a lot of the hobby. A lot of people went elsewhere. But I always thought to myself, out of those thousand new collectors, some of them, 100, 200, 500, are going to fall in love with the cards and stay in. And you seem to have done that. Can you talk a bit about that transition from maybe, you know, you had collecting in your blood, you have treasure hunting in your blood. You want it to be. You had flipper dreams of being a flipper to make some money to help fund your own PC. But what was that transition like from being, okay, I want to, I just want to be in here, to be in the hobby, to be a flipper to. I actually love these cards and I want to build a PC that is meaningful. How'd that transition really play out for you? Well, I feel like I got caught up in a lot of this, like a lot of the trends early on. There were some sets, like an example I can think of is 2012 FLIR retro hockey. I got caught up in that early on when everyone was posting and Talking about the PMGs and everything like that, all the inserts and I don't know, I just kind of. I felt myself getting pulled in every direction by what I was seeing online. I was making a lot of mistakes, to be honest. Like, I thought. I thought it was easy money, you know, So I was kind of just buying whatever I thought was cool. And I figured, oh, this card is 200 bucks. It'll probably be worth 400 bucks. Like, you know, I really didn't know what I was doing. So I definitely was one of those people at the end of the party who was like, okay, maybe this isn't really what I thought it was. But at the same time I started to see a lot of things that I liked and so I was still okay just buying anyways because I still liked all the stuff I was buying. And yeah, when everything kind of crashed, I guess you could say in 2022, 2023, I was still around. So I, I was just buying stuff that was kind of cheap at the time. And fast forward a few years later, some of those things have become more expensive and now it's, you know, it's come around full circle. So, yeah, okay. No, I mean, it's interesting to just hear people's journeys and how they are transitioning and, and, you know, evolving as collectors. Now you have completed the assessment on hobby spectrum.com. where did you fall on the Hobby Spectrum? I am a perfect hybrid of 50 right smack dab in the middle. And do you, you know, do you see, do you think of yourself as being, do you have any aspirations to evolve and maybe, you know, head in, in a certain direction, you know, towards the more investor side, towards, you know, know, the next one would be the builder to the right or to precisionist to the left, towards the purist. Do you want to move in either of those directions or are you happy with kind of how you profiled out on Hobby Spectrum and you just want to continue down that path? I'm actually pretty happy with that because I think it perfectly describes like my mindset because I can definitely become more of a purist or a precisionist on the stuff that I like and I'll go deep dive and I'll spend hours and hours researching and looking for the stuff that I really like to collect. But on the other end of it, yeah, like, you know, there's so many things you can get into, podcasts or becoming a dealer or, you know, talking about auctions that are coming up, things like that. So there definitely is some aspirations there. I'd love to be a part of the space more than just as a collector and. Yeah, but I would hope to think that my, my profile stays the same because it goes, it goes back and forth. There's definitely, you know, I'm not going to end up being a full on purist at one point. I don't think I'm going to end up being a full on investor at any point. So you're right in the middle. David, I was just about to say to you. Any questions for Jace? Yeah, I have a couple, but. So you were heavily into Pokemon tcg, and I mean, that's as on fire now as it's ever been. It seems like. What made you transition to do a lot more sports and get out of that TCG lane? Or are you still in it? How did that change happen? Too much into it now. Mostly just my passion because growing up like it was. It was just because they were cool cards. I actually didn't know too much about Pokemon and all like the specificities, I guess, of all the sets and all that. And as I got older, I became more of a sports fan. And so a lot of my memories that I like, you know, collecting is. Brings you in touch with your childhood. And so I just want to collect all my favorite guys who I grew up watching. And Pokemon has kind of just become like something I'm not as into, I guess, as I'm older. So it's not as much of an interest. And then also because it's exploded as well, it's. It's kind of intimidating because the prices are just going up and up and up, and there's just 10 sets a year that are put out, and there's just too much information, I feel like, for me to really dive into it and. Yeah, but as far as the enjoyment, it's more so sports for me. So that's what I'm kind of sticking to. And it's also easier, I feel like, because I. I subtle some. Some way I know what I'm doing, I guess. Like, I feel like I understand sports more than I do. TCG. Makes sense. You good, David? No, I can keep going. But with you being like flipping and collecting for your PC, how are you determining which cards to sell, which cards to keep? Are you sometimes holding on to cards that you feel like you couldn't flip but just resonate with you a little bit different? How do you feel about doing that? Yeah, so I don't know. I guess I didn't really think about it for a long time until I got a whole bunch of cards and I realized, like, okay, this is. This is getting a little out of hand for me at least. Maybe not to you guys. You guys probably have a lot more cars than me, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it comes down to really what I care about the most. And if a card doesn't fit in my PC now, then I'm more comfortable letting it go. There are definitely some cards that, like, I'M sitting on still that I do have. Like I said, I'm a hybrid. So I do like to see my. My cards appreciate in value. And there's definitely a few cards that I'm holding on to that aren't necessarily my cup of tea, but I think are still kind of great value and a potential future flip. Whether that's in a couple of years, five years, 10 years, you know, that remains to be seen. In a way, David kind of jumped the gun there. Jace. Not without knowing, because we were going to. Because that's kind of what. One of. One of the topics, David, for Jace was, you know, finding your lane when you are. When there's so many cool cards out there that you like, how do you. I have it on my. On my notes here that one of the questions that Jace has for. For people for us to talk was how do you rank your want list? How do you prioritize your want list when you like so many cards? And I mean, for me, I'm able to. I have so many cards, you know, I kind of. I got. I've gotten. I've gotten past that stage of, like, it being overwhelming. I want a million cards or I want a hundred cards. I've got 80 of those cards now, so ranking 20 versus 100 is a lot easier. And I think. And that that's a topic. Jace, do you want to just actually, like, present that question in your own words? Because this is something that you brought to me. Sure. Yeah. So for me, I'm just. I'm into a lot of stuff, and I have a lot of memories, too, that I want to have a physical form of, I guess. And so I just kind of. I pick up a lot of different things. I pick up wrestling cards. I pick up baseball cards. Now, recently, basketball, hockey. There's just so much stuff, and I'm discovering something new every day. So it's kind of like, how do I decide what's worth my money, really? Because that's. That's more. So the thing for me, too, is that being a younger guy, I don't have too much money. I don't want to go crazy, and I want to make sure that I'm picking things that are the most meaningful to me, But I really don't know at the same time, because it's like, yeah, Sidney Crosby growing up, you know, one of the biggest names in Canada. So I definitely want to have a PC of him. But, you know, my basketball guy is Kawhi Leonard. So it's like, you know, how do I Battle. If I see two cards of both of those guys coming up, who do I go for? I don't know. It's. I understand. And I mean, we talk a lot about being like, what lane are we in? I, I. And part of this is maybe helping you find the lane or, or, or specializing, or even though you like Kawhi and Crosby, maybe, maybe you. And this is not just you, Jace. We're speaking to anyone. Anybody who's having this issue is you might have to sacrifice collecting one of the players because your budget isn't broad enough to collect two players. You might have to only collect modern and ignore vintage until you make more money in the future. Or ignore. Ignore modern and only collect vintage until you make more money in the future. These are, I think these are tough decisions that we have to make early in our collecting career. Now for me and David and a lot of other people who are older than you, Jase, these issues weren't as prevalent because cars were cheaper. They weren't, you know, they. Even the time value of money or, or, you know, with inflation, if you were to go back to the value of a dollar 20 years ago, you could afford a lot more cards based on salaries in the day versus today. So it must be more challenging for someone of, you know, 23, 24 years old here in 2026 who's trying to build a meaningful PC. But there's so many cards out there you want and so little money to spread around. So have you thought about maybe saying, okay, I like all these things. I'm gonna start, you know, voting some of them off the island because I just. There's not enough room for everybody. All these different interests that you have. Have you thought about that sort of approach? Absolutely, yeah. Right now, I guess I'm just basically going through the sports that I care about the most and then picking my top two or three guys and just going from there. But also the thing too is, like, I'm worried about the future and what, what the prices might look like even when I do have money. Because, you know, five, 10, 15 years from now, even if I have some more money in my pocket, these cards could be tens of thousands of dollars, some of them for all we know. So that's also, you know, I wonder about, is this a good time to buy this card now or can I wait? You know what I mean? That's a really tough situation, and that's one that we've all been dealing with for decades. And I've all. And I. If you've been listening, if You've listened to me from the beginning of Sports Cards Live. I know I've said this before and I've, I've behaved like this before, which is I try not to worry about what cars are going to be worth in the future. I like to be ahead of the curve. I like to be able to anticipate a trend or a certain card being more appreciated by the hobby. Players are tougher because anything can happen at any given time. Shohei could break something and all of a sudden he's not playing anymore. You know, God forbid something really bad happens off the court and somebody, somebody dies. A player, you know, Johnny Goudreau in hockey was killed riding his bike a couple years ago. That's not going to bode well long term for his cards, I don't think. Although some people are still, there's still a lot of sentiment for him out there. So that's. But that thing, these things can happen. And so what I've always done is just not worried about where the market's at. I'm just always adding cards to my collection that I love, that I can afford at the time. And try not to worry too much about where the values might go, especially in the world of vintage when these careers are done. And a lot of these guys are already dead, so they can't really do anything to hurt their marketability, their, their values. Whereas any, any living player, even Wayne Gretzky and Michael Jordan, something, it's possible they could do something stupid. You hope not. We like to think not. I mean, the hobby is kind of built on Michael Jordan in many ways. So you, you, you know, he, I don't know, maybe, maybe he is immune to that. I'm not sure. But that's kind of where I, where I, how I answer that. Jace and I saw a comment in the chat. Oh, Cy guy, just collect what you love, love what you collect. And maybe, you know, don't worry so much about those future values. It can be very difficult to, to navigate that. And then you're also gonna like, blame yourself for your mistakes. Sure, you'll take credit for the wins, but you'll be like, ah, I, I mispredicted that. It. And so much of the hobbies built up on prospecting and the, the most recent rookies, that's what, that's where card companies make their money on the most recent rookies. That's what drives those products. And the worst time to buy a rookie card is like the first one that pops up on ebay sort of thing, you know? You're often going to pay the most. So, anyway, those are some comments that I have for you. I, I'd like to get your thought, David. Do you want to jump in first with some of that? Because if you do, go ahead. Yeah, just very quickly. You know, I know you mentioned mistakes a few different times. We all make mistakes. Okay. Just know that sometimes when you're getting into a new lane or a new version of collecting, you're going to make more mistakes than when you've been following one certain path for many years. So don't beat yourself up about that. And I would just say you don't have to rush, okay? Like, these cards are around. You don't have to pick up everything tomorrow. Okay. And I would say it's a marathon, not a race. And I think that you will like and enjoy your collection more if you don't just go and buy everything in the next 30 days. Make it calculated, maybe look into things a little bit. Buy one thing, see what you think. But you don't have to buy the Crosby and the Leonard both tomorrow. Buy one of them, see how you feel, research other versions of it. So that's just a little piece of advice I'd give you. And, and great, great advice, David. Some great advice in the chat. We're gonna get to that too. Also, Jace, you know, are you a player collector? Are you. I saw there was one comment. We'll, we'll get to it. But you know, if you like a certain set, maybe you want to collect, you know, maybe you want to dabble with a Crosby Cardinal ovechkin card, a McKinnon card, and a MacArthur. Whatever it is, you don't. Just because a, A checklist has 20 cards on it for some insert set, just pick four and be con. I call that flight collecting, where you don't need every card on the checklist. That's a great way to collect because you're no longer beholden to all the players that you don't care about on that checklist. You know, a lot of people discover a set they love and they start buying the, the cheaper cards first because they want to get the whole set. And by the time they get to the bigger cards, the, the, the main players, in many cases, those cards have double, tripled in value. Should have just bought those and forgot about the cheaper ones and, and use that money for more car. More cards of players that you like. But that's me projecting how I collect. You might be a set collector. All the power in the world to set collectors. I have no issue with set collecting, just not for me, but I completely respect it, and I've lived that life before as well. So how. You almost have to decide. How are you collecting? You know, if you're, if you're shooting ducks in a barrel, you're gonna have a very scattered collection. And I'm kind of doing that right now. The last couple weeks, I've been just plucking different cards from different things, and none of them are even here yet. They're recent purchases and I'm having fun, but that's. That's just what I'm doing. I don't think that hard about it. I know that at the, at the end of the day, I've got all my great cards that I love that are very organized and well curated, and I'm not beating myself up about the duck in a barrel strategy, which I do a little bit of. So back to you, though. You just got to kind of figure out what kind. How do you want to collect? What's your collecting strategy versus your, your financial strategy, if that. Does that makes anything you want to. And does any of this make sense? And once you. Yeah, yeah. You guys, I mean, you guys are spot on. Like, I'm. I'm starting to have these thoughts in my head now. Like, as. As I've had a few years of experience, I'm starting to learn not to chase the new shiny thing all the time. Not. Not in a flipping mentality even, but just like in my own head. Oh, I find a set that I like doesn't mean I need to go spend a few hundred bucks on it right away. Like you said, David, you know, I don't have to buy everything in the next 30 days. But, yeah, I mean, I do have to still figure out what type of collector I am. I like a lot of, like, rare, ultra modern shiny stuff. And as far as the future values, I feel like the ones I care about the most, like, I'm afraid of them being more expensive, are those ones that you never see come up for sale, you know, because like you said, with the vintage or some of more of the base stuff, you can always get that stuff. It'll always be around. If anything, maybe there'll be more copies around as people, you know, get more stuff graded and everything. So there's that too. But when you're talking about maybe a gold prism out of 10, well, I don't know how many opportunities I'm going to have, and I would assume it's the opposite, you know, later on, there's probably going to be less of those cards coming to light. So, yeah, I would say that I'm, I'm starting to learn a little bit more and as far as like being aggressive and what I'm buying, keeping that aggression for the cars that really deserve it, I guess and the cards that really won't be around. Yeah, now you make some good points around. Like the prism out of 10. Sometimes you can't wait. You have to buy a card when it presents itself. If it's, if it's on your priority list, super high up and you really, really want it and you've settled in on that player or whatever aspect of the card it is, you just sort of have to get it. So. I completely hear you on that. I want to go to comments. Let's hear from David first and then we got lots of comments on this topic. So, David, I mean, you shouldn't listen to me about Ultra Modern because I don't know anything about it. But one thing, if I was still to give an opinion on it, if you're going on Ultra Modern and you don't have the largest budget in the world, I probably would not just pick one player and just go heavy on them in it. For these Ultra Modern cards, I would say diversify just a little bit. Right. Especially if these are cards that you're going to be holding for a while. I mean, if you're flipping them, that's one thing. But, but if you don't have a huge budget, just don't go on one player in this crazy market where we have right now because if that person gets hurt or something, you'll feel the pain. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, great. Such great comments. Or do you have anything you want to say back to that, Jase? Yeah, I will say, like, I usually don't get too crazy into the prospecting. Luckily I've, I've held back a bit. I stick with my guys mostly. And honestly, if anything like, you know, something happens about Kawhi Leonard in the media, it's okay to me. I still have my memories associated with him. Nothing's going to change my, my childhood of watching him win a championship in Toronto, that's set in stone. So, yeah, I definitely, I know how to hold back a little bit, I guess when it comes to the prospecting. I'm not a huge fan on that. Good. Well, that's great. And you're so you're, you're, you're already making, you're making progress. You're not brand new to the space, but you're inquisitive you're curious and I. And you're open to feedback and just learning from people who've been in the hobby longer than you. That's. I think that's a great place to come from. Chris C. Welcomed you to the chat. Thank you, Chris, for doing that. Jesse said, the day David Chase followed me, I knew I had made it. Greg, Midlife Cards is here. What up, buddy? What up, G? Nick Martelli says real collectors always stick around. Ain't that the truth, Nick? Absolutely. Chris here says, been collecting since 1987. I've had to pivot, but I'm still here and having a blast. That's. That's really important. I've had to pivot, but I'm still here and having a blast. Be willing to pivot. Understand that you might pivot. He goes on to say, it does. It does matter. I don't let the industry affect my hobby. That's not letting the industry affect your hobby, I think, is a key mental strength that we can have. Hello, red light. Welcome to the show. Mr. Mano says, Micro sets, cool way to collect and not breaking the bank. Very similar, maybe the same thing as what I call flight collecting. Flint hall says, I've been selling off a lot of my PC. This hobby's become extremely stressful. I have developed a lot of mental health issues because of it. Don't let this happen to yourself. Jace. That's a, that's a comment that. I mean, Flint Hall, I hope you are going to be okay. I hope everything's okay in your world. Literally. I mean that. But don't let yourself, like, we, we need to guard our mental health and make sure that we're not having issues because of the hobby. Jim Sholey says, Jace, decide if you're chasing PSA 10s or eye appeal or rarity might whittle things down a bit. I mean, it's so weird that. And it's so weird that we have to decide between PSA 10s or I appeal or rarity. Like, there are so many other ways to collect besides the condition of the card. Like, you know, but this is a decision that many people have to make. Are you chasing, especially in the world of vintage where you could sub out PSA 10s for whatever grade and just say, are you chasing high technical grade or eye appeal or rare cards? In which case, if it's, you know, and even with modern, I would say, are you chasing cards that have nice like design appeal and aesthetics, or are you chasing rarity? There's a lot of one on Ones that aren't nice. Take a printing plate for example. Situational Adventure says so much of the hobby is built on gambling. Prospecting is just a form of that. Absolutely. Here. Here's Greg's comment. Great comment. I read it earlier. Says one thing I consider will I have the chance to buy this card again in the future? How available is this card? Exactly what you were saying Jace about a Prism Gold where they just might not come up again. Shaheen says another method is to is to attain by rarity or scarcity. Take your time to find something special that will be tougher to obtain in the future. That's a great comment. Hydro Honda says collect a set that can't be completed. That way the hunt continues and you don't lose interest by completing a set. This is a really good comment for a couple of reasons. Number one I agree I have a couple of lifetime pursuits in the hobby that I will never complete and and I'm okay. I like it that way. It's like that you know they have living sets some like I think Topps has a living set. I think Upper Deck has a living set where the the same design comes out. They add players to it and they're not repeated sort of thing year after year after year. Well I like it's it's like a living pursuit of collecting a set. Not though I'm not those set those have Adam if you want but you can just find something to chase that comes out every year and you're never going to get you might not hopefully you don't ever get tired of it and it keeps it interesting. So I really like that. And then the other thing he said here was you don't lose interest by completing a set. You won't believe how many times I see people that are they're completing sets Hey I need this last set can they'll post can anyone help me find the last card for my set? They finally get that last card for their set after 5 or 10 years or 5 or 10 months whatever it is. Next thing you know that set's being sold and broken up because the the hunt was was what they wanted. Completing the set ended the game and now they're. They sell it and they almost start fresh with something else. So set collecting when you complete a set hey that's not everybody. A lot of people keep those sets together and enjoy them for many many years. But be careful of that approach of completing a set and wanting to get rid of it right away. David, can you just give me an example Jeremy of Like one of your living sets that you have right now. I've never heard you talk about that. Yeah, yeah. So I collect and this is not new. I think a lot of people know this about me. But upper decks, the cup puts out the base set every year and then they put out the base, the gold patch parallel and it comes out pretty much every year. Now they've started. It doesn't. It's not a full parallel set. Like it's. They don't get patches for all the players so they, they leave some off the checklist. It's like skip numbered for this. But that's basically it. And I've been collecting this for 15 years now. I've been working on it and I'll. Here, I just pull, I'll show it to you. I've showed a few times that this is my cup Gold patches PC. And these are all I can just start scrolling. There's 481 cards in here. And a lot of people know I collect these and I get people sort of reaching out and saying, hey, I saw this one. So you can see here's the oh,506 is up here. It transitions to the 06s 07s oh,708. These are all game use patches. And I'm always chasing these down. Like going back to these older years, you know, I might have 40 of 90 cards or 55 of 100 or whatever it is. It's just ongoing and I can keep on going here. Like I said, there's almost 500 cards in my collection here. And so that's one of them is. It's. It's like a lifelong pursuit that will probably never end and I don't, I don't want to complete it because then what am I gonna, what am I like? It's done. The hunt, the chase is so much a part of the hobby. So there you go, David. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Days of Detriment says, very insightful conversation. I can relate to Jace's story. Isn't that nice? Thank you. Days of Detriment. Welcome to the chat. Chris here says, listen, don't overthink it. Your collecting strategies are going to change throughout your life. That's just how it goes. Right. And, and a follow up from Luke Browning. At his age, collect parts of everything he enjoys. He will reign that in when it matters. So I agree with both of these comments. Jace, that just came, that, that came in there and I think, I think that you, you're, you're almost like this advice from Luke, you'll Reign. You're trying to get ahead of it and rein it in now is what I'm sensing from you. You're trying to mitigate the mistakes. You're trying to, you know, not regret, not buying something or buying something that you don't want. And like, it's so funny, guys, because, you know, as I discover or rediscover new categories of cards that I'm collecting and, and really like going all in on at. And I'm not, not expensive stuff, but as I'm buying new cards, I. I think to myself, you know, I knew about these cards 20 years ago when they were released, and I just didn't really care about them then, but I do now. If I cared about them then imagine how cool my collection of them would be today. But the truth is, if I collected them back then, I might have got tired of them somewhere 10, 15 years ago, sold them off and never cared about them again. I might have, you know, had my fill of them back then. I'm having my fill of them now. So I guess my point there is it happens when it happens. Don't beat yourself up too much about it. You can't go back in time anyway. So just kind of like, like Luke said in the, in the comment before, do your best and you will evolve. You will evolve as you learn and gain experience and are exposed to more opinions, more thoughts, more cards, more, more card shows and all these things. So I want to turn it back to you, Jace, for any feedback on all that. David. And we'll go to some more comments as well. But Jace, what do you think of all this? Well, first of all, thanks for all the advice. I really appreciate you guys and all the comments. It's very nice. But yeah, I definitely agree with a lot of the points that were made and I love the idea of a living set. And that's something I've thought about too, with some of the cards that are more available and not necessarily ones that I have to buy right now. I like the idea of finding things organically as well. And, you know, because it's also easy to just go on ebay and search for everything you want and buy it up for whatever price just to get it into your collection. But like you said, like, the hunt is half the fun. So I like the idea of just coming across these things at good prices out of nowhere. And it's kind of a surprise to you when it does happen. But those are some of the best, some of the best moments I've had is when something that I Wasn't really looking for. Purposely pops up out of nowhere. Oh, wow, that's the perfect copy for me. That's exactly what I wanted in the exact condition I wanted. And so, yeah, I think that I might have to take that approach as well. But at the same time, too, like, I hear what you guys are saying, like, basically just chill out is the moral of the story, kind of. But also, when I really think about it, I really have come a long way already. And I'm maybe not giving myself enough credit for that too, because like I was saying five years ago, I mean, I was chasing the Silver prism rookie cards, PSA 10 base cards, and, you know, I would never touch some of those cards now. And so speaking on some of the mistakes that I said I've made, well, the good thing about mistakes is that it teaches you and that's how you learn. So I've definitely made a lot of mistakes that have taught me how to collect in a better way. And yeah, I guess it's. It's the experience that is the fun part. And exactly as I go on, maybe one thing matters to me a lot right now, but maybe in a few years it won't matter as much. But trying to figure that all out in the moment right now is maybe probably not the best idea. Yeah, just enjoy the ride. Well, enjoy the ride and, you know, almost like wear your mistakes as badges of experience and. And they're going to become part of your story. And I think you're going to, like, look back in the future, in 20, 30 years and say, had I not made that mistake, I don't think I'd be where I am today. And that's that. That's okay. I think that's how life works. I think that's how the hobby can work. Some really good comments. We're going to go to them and then we're going to go to the next topic that Jase presented to me when we talked about him coming on in eventually. Well, Joe Perot is going to join the the show and we. David, you might stay on. We might swap it out. You're going to come back later anyway, but I'm going to go through some comments now, so pay attention, guys, because these are some good ones. Collector Charles says that Collector's MD is here to help if anyone needs it. No shame in asking for help with mental health issues and compulsive spending in the hobby. I agree. And I sit on the advisory board for Collectors md and it is a great option for anyone who does need some help. If you are spending too much money in the hobby and it's out control. Desert Shield Sniper says card collecting is like stocks. You don't need every single stock with high potential in your portfolio. You can have 10 great cards and still have a great collection. Well said. Well said. Chris C Says Jace is on the right path. Sometimes you have to pounce if a card is rare. I had something like that happen a few months ago with a rare Barry Sanders card. You rarely see them. Raw and graded are very expensive. Chris C says mental health is more important than any piece of of cardboard and fresh prints says protect your mental health. Days of Deferment Detriment says I think winning podcast seems like a real great platform pushing passions of the hobby forward. Best of luck Jace. Thank you to Days of Detriment for joining us. Jake Doll thank you. Likes my patch collection. So does Ken Fickle. Thank you very much. Tommy says Jace is the boss. There you go Tommy. Thank you for for joining. Yk. Hey Jeremy, what's your scanning setup like? The scans look great. Would love to see a video on it if you haven't done one already. Appreciate that yk. It's in the works. And Jim says Jace will fare well. He's. He is processing and learning and listening. This is an early ingredient to your journey. Good luck to Jace. That's. That's very nice comment from Jim right there for sure. A couple more comments I want to grab here. Dave Snyder has a question for you David. Do you have a card stand to display your slabs? Is PSA or tag your favorite place you buy Vintage first? And thank you Dave Snyder for the contribution. The Super Chat I think they're called thank and he also has another one for you. David Chase is Dallas or Chicago. So David Chase, could you answer both of David Snyder's questions and then we will go to his third super Chat. Dave Snyder is helping keep the lights on here at Sports Guys Live. But let's go to David Chase if you can answer Dave Snyder's questions and we'll bring Joe on momentarily. You're texting my short term memory, Jeremy, but here it is again. Chicago, Chicago National I like better than Dallas. I've never been to Dallas or been to Texas before. I'm sure it's a great place. But I have been to Chicago and I've been to the national so I'll choose that for display. That's a good one. Number one, I'm vintage so I don't use tag right. So most of my slabs are in PSA and SGC I like them both. But if I had the choice, I'd rather be in PSA only because I feel like they're long term outlook looks like is going to be around and SGC has, I hope that they're around but there's a chance that they might not be. So if I had the choice, I'd do psa. But I still buy SGC all the time and probably half my collection is in sgc. Do I display my cards? No, I wouldn't do that to my wife. She tolerates this hobby of mine as much as possible and if I had cards all around the house, she would tolerate it less. So what I do is I keep them in a safe where I don't actually look at my cards very often. But what I do is I scan my cards like Jeremy's fancy scanner and I look at them all the time, literally every day. I page through them on my phone or my iPad and I love them and view them that way. I don't need them to be around me. But when I look at some people's cards room and I see them, I'm jealous. I do think that they're cool. Thank you for answering David Snyder's questions. David Chase, he had one for me. I'm going to bring that one up now and answer this one. He says, jeremy, would you look at raw cards for a fee and recommend whether to grade? It's a great question, David, and I'm going to give you a longer answer. This is not a yes or no answer, but let me, let me explain my thoughts on this. So okay, my, I can give a yes or no answer but then I have to explain why my answer is no. I would not look at raw cards for a fee and recommend whether to grade. And here's why, here's, here's what I would do. I would look at cards for a fee. Sure. Happy to, happy to get paid for my time. I would look at cards for a fee and tell you everything that I think about those cards. I would tell you what I'm seeing, what I'm not seeing, how I think they compare to other cards. And if you were to say to me, you know, well, what do you think it would grade? I would say, Dave Snyder, I cannot predict inconsistency. I cannot predict what a grading company will grade. And the, the more recent the card is, the harder it becomes because of the production quality and the, and the, the, the, the preservation process, just behavior that people have taken over the years. So I could, I would not recommend to Grade modern. I mean modern. There's not much to it. Like it's either centered or it isn't or it has a pit or whatever. In the world of vintage, though, I would not, I think grade everything. Honestly, I, I think great. Like listen it. I know, I know, I know foul ball and others out there are saying, oh come on, raw is fine too. I know I like my vintage cards slabbed. I do. So take that for what it's worth. So I, I would recommend to grade it. The question is, are you going to be happy with the grade you get back? And even if I think that the car even if I think that the card is. If you want a six, you say, jeremy, would you recommend I grade this? Do you think it's going to come back a six? And I think it's six worthy. I can't tell you whether to grade it or not because just because I think it would grade A6 and it would be A6 according to the, to technical written standards doesn't mean it's coming back a six. It can go. It could come back a four, five, six, seven or eight. You just don't know because of the inconsistency. And I think it's just getting worse with the expansion, the impending expansion, the expansion we've had so far. So I would never grade cards for a fee and recommend whether to grade, but I would review cards for a fee and tell you what I'm seeing and tell you what I think where I think it has eye appeal or doesn't have eye appeal. But I cannot predict how grading companies and nominally paid people are going to in a very monotonous job, which makes it very hard for them to find people and have people stick around for a long time. I can't do that. I would be, that would be like me being a grader and grading the same way that they grade, which is, you know, inconsistently. So I, I couldn't do it that way. Long answer to a simple question, but I hope that gets my point across. Thank you for the and thank you for the contribution. David Snyder, Desert Shield Sniper says, you just answered your own question. Jace. Make it fun for yourself and enjoy the process. That is what collecting cards is really about. And then Jacob Dahl says it's never a bad thing to take a break from the hobby now and then sometimes it can be a good thing. Yeah, I don't, I don't know that I. Listen, I could never take a break myself but, but I was, I was actually messaging with a friend today who told Me that he just came back from a one week, like, retreat without his phone, and I'm like, you know, good luck getting caught up back at work. And I'm. And I'm jealous of your retreat without the phone. I. I don't know if I'll ever be able to. To do that, so. Okay, David, go ahead. I just want to mention one thing about taking a break. You don't have to always take a break from the hobby completely, but you can take a break from buying for a little while, right? You can still consume content. You can still look at your cards, put them in different orders, all those kind of things. I mean, there's so much content out there. Make spreadsheets, make your want list. So I'm just saying that you can still take a little bit of a breather from buying when you feel like you bought too many even. Even if you're not taking a full break from the hobby in general. Absolutely. That's good advice. Chase, do you have any thoughts, any comments on everything we just kind of talked. Any of those comments that came through? Did anything stick out to you there? Well, yeah, I will say I did. I did take a little bit of a break, I guess in the last couple years. I got. Well, not for a couple of years, but at some point along the way I did take a break because I got burnt out a little bit. Mostly because I was just spending too much time looking for cards. Like, I probably spend like a few hours every day looking at cards. Like, not just for fun, like, I'm always scrolling ebay, trying to. Just checking my, my save searches, seeing what pops up. And also for whatever reason, like whenever I do take those breaks, even for a week, I go and I check those searches and something sold. I missed something in that one week that I wasn't looking. The one card I wanted ends up selling. So I try not to take as many breaks now just because I always want to be on my toes. But yeah, when it, when it gets a little overwhelming or just becomes, you know, too monotonous, too much scrolling, too much screen time, I definitely take a little bit of a breather. Yeah. There's one comment that just came in a few minutes ago here. Chris here says, if I'm being brutally honest, you'd be better off taking a break from social media than the hobby, which I, I think is, is very, a very good point right there. Foul ball says great. Everything. Not my hobby. No, I know fallible. You do not need graded cards. And that's, that's wonderful. You know so but I collect so I collect. We all collect how we collect and that's I think it's just I think it's good to be accepting of how other people collect. As long as you're not hurting somebody as long as you're not trying to mislead anybody, you're not trying to rip anybody off, you know all those things. Collect however you want to collect. Dave Snyder I can foresee a PSA submission location in Dallas in the future and how can you send me cards to look at? We email me sportscards liveshow gmail.com David if you email me we can figure we can figure something out. I'd love to help you out sportscardsliveshow gmail.com we can start with a private video chat and go from there. Thanks for tuning in and being a part of the sports cards live community. Don't forget to like subscribe and most of all keep collecting. More great content to come. Sports cars is a lifestyle.