The Most Ridiculous Idea I've Ever Heard!! Surface Issues With Mike & Graig

In our massive country, there are card collectors throughout the land participating in the hobby. There's Mike of Junk Wax Hero and Greg of Midlife Cards. And while distance may separate them, here is where they come together to talk cards. Hey, buddy. How are you doing on this fine day? Hey, buddy. I am tired, man. I went to Fenway yesterday Saturday in Boston. I guess not yesterday Saturday in Boston. And just it's a long day for me because it's a two and a half hour drive. Plus I sit there and I'm. Oh, did you lose me? You still here? You're still here. You've come and gone a little bit, but I think we got the gist of what you're saying. Okay. I am a large man, and so I'm sitting in those tiny femway seats and had an amazing time. Absolutely spectacular time. But yeah, I'm. I'm very, very tired. But yeah, you, you. We persist. Did the Red Sox win? They did. Two in a row. Dang it. I mean, I'm glad you had a good time. Yeah, they're. They're not going to do any damage this year, so I don't think there's anything you need to worry about. The question is, will Aaron Judge be back for the Yankees game that I go to in six weeks? Well, I'm going to a Yankees game. And for six weeks, too, huh? Right. You didn't want to go to the game. I was going to. Well, I would rather go to Wrigley then. What do they call a comisty. Comiskey park now? Rate Field. Oh, okay. That's cool. Well, I mean, before we go too far, we have to address the elephant in the room. And the elephant in the room is I, I think we should just right out front say that we both like our buddy Teapot. Teapot. Good dude. Friend of the channel. Occasionally even is on the channel. He's a contributor here. Yep, he's a contributor here. We like Teapot, but huge Teapot fans. Yeah, but his, his buddy Jeff and Carter, I think his name is not really big fans apparently of the two of us. So. Which is interesting. But I want to show the clip to the people, let you hear what happened over there. And I have labeled this clip. Jeff scoffs at Greg and Mike. So here I will play it and then we will discuss. All right, here we go on Sports Card Clubhouse. I think it was Greg from Midlife Cards and Mike Junk Wax here were discussing the fact that they think the best strategy for PSA going forward would be to have dynamic flex Pricing throughout the day, maybe hourly, just as demand is coming in. So they. We've seen them pull all the levers. They've changed prices, they've increased prices, they've increased turnaround times. It does seem like a more logical thing. I go to the website and I submit exactly how many cards I have, and then they know PSA knows what their backlog is. It just adds that into the number before ever have to mail them off. So. So now you could have a dynamic where you get up in the morning and you say, it's $25 for bulk right now, and by noon it's 50. So you're gonna have to wait and play the game like it's a Dutch auction or something like that. Now we're gonna have grading pricing tracker tools. Isn't that better than shutdown? You can have an app on your phone that's like. You get an alert. It's like, oh, grading price just dropped by $3. There you go. Can you buy futures on grading price? Can I take a position? Grading prices hit $22. It's not a ridiculous sign. It is a ridiculous cycle. It is beyond a ridiculous cycle. Oh, y is the most ridiculous. The most ridiculous idea he's ever heard just right off the bat. Share your thoughts with the. With everybody out there. Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts here. First of all, thank you to Teapot for standing up for us and sharing your idea. This is your idea, which I love. First of all, let's go back to when you first proposed this. And then I did a video where I talked about it, and a lot of people were saying, well, hang on a second. How. How is the consumer going to benefit? And, well, the benefit to the consumer, I guess, is just that they won't need to close down because, you know, the prices are going to go up and down, fluctuate. But PSA doesn't care about benefiting the consumer. This was never about benefiting the consumer. You were proposing, if I may, a way for PSA to stay open and for them to maximize their revenue. This was not a. If we were to benefit the consumer, we would say PSA should do flat pricing at $5 per card. Come on. This is not about benefiting the consumer. Now, I think Teapot also kind of enhanced your proposal, which was prices would change daily, not hourly. And he was saying that they would go up throughout the day. Are you still with me? I'm with you, yeah. Okay. And then Jeff is shaking his head, and he's got this wry smile on his face. And I have to wonder, since we know that Jeff strongly dislikes me, if. If Teapot hadn't mentioned our names in this proposal or if he had just mentioned your name, how would Jeff have reacted to this proposal? I mean, okay, so not a rhetorical question, an actual question. You there. I mean, there's five places I want to go with this. I want to say straight up, and I've said this many times, I don't really have an issue with Jeff Wilson. Like, yeah, I'm. I'm cool with as far as Jeff doesn't know I exist. So when he said Greg of Midlife Cars, it was probably blank stare. And then it was Mike of Junk Wax Hero, where then it was like, you know, that's probably. And Carter, who's next to Teapot during the episode or during the comment, he's. He seems fine with it. He's looking at Teapot and he seems okay with it. But then he looks over at Jeff, right? And then he starts to snicker because Jeff is clearly off screen snickering at this point, making faces and stuff. Exactly how I perceive this. And so it's disappointing to me that Jeff wasn't at least open to the concept because, you know, I. To me, it's. It. It's a decent idea, again, from a business perspective. But if it works for airlines, right? Airlines do this. Check the flight prices today and tomorrow. They might be different. It works for hotels, it works for gas stations based on the supply, based on the demand. What's happening? Labor Day weekend Gas is more expensive than it is in February for a reason, you know, And. And so I don't understand why it's so scoffable. And I don't like to launch counter attacks, so I'm not going to, like, play an old clip of Jeff. I think that Will Greer right now is about four times better of an investment than Kyler Murray. I mean, this is the same guy who says this is the most ridiculous idea he's ever heard, but he's giving investment advice about Will Greer, so it's at least the second most ridiculous idea he's ever heard. Yeah, well, he also recommended. Said that Ben Simmons was a buy, which Ben Simmons was never really a buy. And I'm not. I'm not a tip for Jack guy, and I'm not a. Oh, let's go at Jeff. Like, I'm just having fun with this whole thing. But I was, you know, I was a little surprised that he at least didn't weigh some of the potential positives of the idea, because where we stand now is all value tiers are closed. And if you were to ask people who use PSA, would you rather be paying $28.50 right now to submit at a value tier or have it closed? I think they would rather have 2850, which is what this concept would have created. Yeah. So at least then you have the choice, do I want to pay 2850 or do I want to wait? And you can. You have that choice. Right now, you don't have the choice unless. Well, unless you think $80 is reasonable. That's the whole point of dynamic pricing, is that there's still an option. And if it seems too high, then what you do is you back off of it. Now, another thing I'll say, or I want to ask you, you said a second ago, we all know that Jeff. I don't remember the exact term. We all know that Jeff strongly dislikes you. I think you said. Why do you say that? Do you really think Jeff doesn't like you? Oh, yeah. He's come after me on Twitter at least twice, and it's. He made it very clear both times that he's not a fan of Mike Junk Wax Hero. And is there a reason for him to not like you? I've done, over the course of my time on YouTube, I've probably done a grand total of 1200, 1300 videos. And in like three or four of them, I have mentioned Jeff and talked about the ideas that Jeff has or the things that he has said, usually about vintage cards, and talked about why he is wrong. I have never attacked Jeff. I've never attacked his. Anything to do with Jeff, just his words. And he said, I sure do love me. Love to take Jeff's words out of context. This was in a tweet he sent out publicly. This, I don't know, six months ago maybe. And I said, can you give me an example of something I've taken out of context that you've said? And he just started attacking me instead of, you know, actually answering my question. And I don't remember the whole thing, but he made it abundantly clear that he doesn't like me. I have nothing wrong with Jeff. Jeff's very good for the industry, not particularly good for the hobby, in my opinion, but he seems like a fine person. I've heard from people outside of Teapot, people who have worked from in the past that he's an amazing boss. These are very trustworthy people who don't even work for him anymore and have no interest in fluffing him up, who say, no matter what you think of him, Jeff is an amazing boss. And I believe that. How can I not when these people I trust have told me this and have worked for him in the past. Yeah, I, I love that he involves his family in the whole thing, in the hobby. He's got his younger, his, his younger son is into Pokemon. He's gotten him involved in some stuff. He's got Reeves coming all over, going to shows with him. He's got, he's had his wife on a couple of episodes, which I think, I think all of that is cool. I think this is a family friendly hobby. I think he's displaying that. The only thing I've ever said about Jeff. And again, I think I would like the guy. I think if we had a meal together, I think I would have a fine time hanging out with him. The only issue I've ever had is that I think at times we call certain things investments that are very speculative. Like, I don't think you invest in, in a prospect, baseball card or football card. Like a guy who's in Shador Sanders. I don't think we're investing in Shador Sanders. I think we might invest in Ty Cobb, but I don't think we're investing in Roman Anthony personally. And, and that, that terminology is the one hair that I would split. But I do want to say this, I want to throw this out there, Jeff. I know you're not listening and that. But if you were to listen, I want to invite you on with myself and Mike to just talk and help you realize that we're actually pretty decent guys. And the idea of dynamic pricing is actually, I think, one that has some legs. And we could talk about that, or we could talk, whatever you want. But you're welcome to come on. I'd love to have you on, Jeff. Whether it's. It be just with Mike and you. Mike's a great interviewer. Or myself and Mike and you, Jeff. Well, I'd love to have you on. So this is an open invitation should you find it interesting to you in the least. And, but yeah, I, I, that was. I was not expecting to get texts that day saying, Jeff just laughed at your idea. I was like. But in all seriousness. Total seriousness. All good. All in fun. But Jeff, you are truly welcome on. Okay. A couple other things we wanted to talk about. So something a, A thought or an idea. There's the, there's the eye appeal sticker thing happening all over the place right now. Yeah. And you know, the prices of cards that have the gold eye appeal stickers really seem to be going up in value. And so people that are thinking about selling cards have been tempted on getting the eye appeal stickers before that to maximize the value. Now my thought is if you were thinking about selling cards, what you should actually do is go to Sports Card Clubhouse, go to the partners page. And when you got to the partners page, you would see our friend Chris Sewell, collector, investor, dealer, in that order. And you could go to his website and you could learn more about him and you could sell your collection, whether it be all or part of it, to Chris and contact him@se sportscardsgmail.com his website. Collector, investor, dealer.com. your thoughts on that idea of reaching out to Chris if you were looking to sell some cards? I would definitely do that. You know, I'm a huge Chris Se fan. He is the best at this and he's, he's expanding his business and he provides the fairest offers and most transparent. Huge fan. Definitely, definitely do it. If you're not looking to sell your whole collection or part of your collection and you were looking to maybe sell a single card, a lot of people have been going down the eye appeal sticker movement and you wanted to discuss this topic as it refers to autographs. Yeah. So on my way either to or from Fenway Park, I was listening to all the amazing podcasts we have here on the Sports Card Clubhouse. And so I don't remember which one it was or who was talking about it. It was probably, I want to say it was Petty and Tony who were talking about eye appeal stickers and they're actually talking about an autograph and how the autograph had been graded a 10. Does this sound familiar to you? Yes. Yes. But it was really in a bad spot and you could barely see the ink from the autograph. Now, I might be wrong. I think it was our friends Chris Sewell, Jeremy Donson and Theo on Collector, Investor Podcast and they were talking about grading, how good, how easy it is to read the autograph as a thought or something, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, you're right. And that made me think we should have. And I'm mostly joking here because I don't think we should have more eye appeal stickers. But if we're going to have an eye appeal sticker, why not have I appeal stickers for the autograph itself where somebody is grading the appearance of the autograph, the placement of it, the. The legibility of it, the. Not. Not just the technical grade, but there's so much more that you can do with autograph grading or assessment. And you could do a, some sort of a sticker or a grade somehow that doesn't just say, yep, they signed it. And, and the signature is good. You have to consider the placement of it. You have to consider the legibility. If somebody just says AR like Anthony Richardson does, that sucks. That shouldn't be considered a good autograph. No, that, that wouldn't be a good autograph. My question is, would it move the needle for you? Like, if, if, you know, we, we could have this conversation. A lot of us have had this conversation. Do we need grading of cards to begin with? And do we need eye appeal stickers on slabbed cards to begin with? Like, is there actually a need for either of those things? I, because a lot of the time when I talk about grading of cards, the number one thing is you're, you're buying the authenticity. You're buying the fact that they're claiming it hasn't been messed with. You're buying the, the insurance that goes along with it with, with PSA in case it were to come out as not authentic. And you know, I have said, you know, I, I feel like I've been very neutral on the sticker thing. I've been told by people that I'm not neutral on the sticker thing, but I feel that I am neutral. I could see why, if cards with stickers sell for more, why somebody would want to get it stickered. That said, I personally would not pay more for a card with a sticker because I don't need a sticker to tell me that it's nice. Right. So with the idea of an autograph, can't we see if the autograph is, is easy to read and well, well, you know, written and all of that stuff. Your thoughts? Yeah. So as you said, the most important part of a third party grader is the authentication of the card. The only reason a card can, or the only reason a card gets graded or an autograph gets graded is for monetary purposes. You say, wow, this one's a 10. I have a 7, even though this 7 looks like a 10. I want to tell you, don't say this, of course, but I want to have the 10 because it says it's a 10, even though it doesn't look any better than my 7. And so same thing with an autograph. The only reason is to enhance the industry of sports card buying and selling. And so that's why I'm mostly joking. But it's got to be coming Right. Where somebody says, hey, there's a little bit of a gap in the industry here where we can assess the appearance of autographs instead of just the technical skills. Whatever. Whatever it is that autographs are graded on. It feels like there's potential there to make some money. I'm not going to be doing it. I have a feeling you're not going to be doing it. But, like, why hasn't it been done yet? Because there are millions and millions of autographs out there, and somebody could be making money using this. Yeah, we don't need it. We don't need it. You and I can look at an autograph and know, that looks awesome. That looks terrible. Well, I think that. I think that the whole point of grading and stickers to begin with is really more beneficial for the novice than the expert. The more, you know, the less you need a grade on a card to tell you how nice it is, and the. The more, you know, the. The less you need a sticker to. On it to tell you that this one is high eye appeal. Because a person who's new to the hobby might come in and go, this Card's got an 8. It must be really nice. But the lack of an eye appeal sticker might go, wait a second, why doesn't this one have an. Well, it's because it's way off center and they get person go, oh, that matters. And the sticker tells the novice, oh, that matters. Like, that's one of the things that I think, again, I'm not a defender of stickers. I'm not a defender of grading. I don't really care. But what it does is it provides information for somebody who is on the earlier entry into the hobby. And it is an assist. It's a scaffolding technique to teach that person that this one is better than that one, and it helps people learn. And so I could see why somebody might say, well, that one's signed and that one's signed. Who cares? And someone else go, no, you see how that one went off the edge of the page because it. Or off the edge of the card or the photo that's not as good as the one where the signature finished on the card. I, again, I know that it's kind of just. We're just talking here and we're just kind of spitballing. I could see that becoming a reality. I also don't think that most people would need it, and I think that if they did it, they would probably make money because there are some people that would see it as an added benefit. Yep. Yeah, for sure. Let me ask you something. I'm listening. As I'm talking, you've probably heard maybe you've heard a couple of times in the background. We got the TV going in the adjoining room here. Lucy is watching right now, a World cup game. And we went to the World cup on Saturday, which I gotta tell you, you know, I've been to a lot of different events. I've been to playoff baseball. I've been to basketball games and football games. I've been all this stuff. But there's something different when you attend an international sporting event. And to a certain extent, you get a little taste of that. I've been to multiple US Open golf, US Opens, and you get a taste of that. Of. Of. There is a, you know, the flag by the name, and people from all over the world are there to watch it happen, and they've got flags and they're rooting for people. But there's something about the World Cup. And when, you know, we bought our tickets to the World cup like, a year ago, they hadn't even done the draw. So literally, you buy a spot at a field on a day, that's all you buying. And then they come in and they, you know, pull the ball and pull the slip and pull the thing, and, oh, this team goes here and this team goes there. And then you find out who you bought a game for. And when we. When they did the draw, we found out we had Switzerland versus Qatar for the game that we're going to. And on first blush, you're like, couldn't it have been Argentina versus Brazil or something, you know, like, with a couple of huge names? But I gotta tell you, on the way back to the car, as we're walking back yesterday, and I'm talking with the girls and Lucy's talking about the experience, she says to me, at one point, you know, dad, at one point, I almost forgot we were in the United States because there are flags from Qatar, there are flags from Switzerland. But then there's fans visiting from all over the world. There are a bunch of people in Mexico jerseys and US Jerseys and different languages being spoken. And as we're walking in, you have people in their Swiss. They got the Swiss jerseys on the Swiss flags. You've got people in the traditional, you know, Middle Eastern garb walking in, sitting together. And the fact that it was two extremely different cultures that were on the field and in the stadium made it a really cool experience. And the fact that there were, I mean, because, you know, a person from France might dress similarly to a person from, you know, Maine. But a person who's visiting from Qatar is not usually dressed like a person visiting from Sacramento. And that made it like extra cool to me. Have you been watching the games? Ah, well, that's the question. Greg, you would agree that I'm a sports fan, right? Yeah. I collect sports cards of every single sport. I have a skateboarding card on my wall. I have tennis cards, I have a, an ice skating card that you make fun of me for. I am a sports fan. I watch SportsCenter every single morning for the last five years. I've maybe missed it a dozen times in five years. I watch it every morning. I love sports. And a couple of weeks ago somebody mentioned at work, coworker of mine mentioned the World Cup. I said, oh, when's the World Cup? And he was like, it's happening right now. I said, oh cool. What? Like I was asking him some questions like Mike, it's happening in the United States right now. I had no idea. Hadn't heard a single person talk about it. I don't watch SportsCenter per se. I have it on but you know, I'm, I'm doing stuff and you would think something would have got gotten through to me. I would have seen a headline somewhere. I pay attention to the news very closely and until a week or two ago I had no idea it was, it was here or that it was coming and that it was in the United States. That seem strange to you? Is that a me thing or is that a marketing thing? I think it's a you thing because my kids have been saying, I call them kids or 19 and 20. They've been going, dad, like everything is sponsored by the World Cup. You get a Coke, it has World cup on it. You get a, you go to crumble and get cookies and they've got soccer decorated cookies there that I drink, Pepsi, Cheez, its and everything has got World cup on it. Greg, now you've gone too far. I eat ch every day. I don't think it's a marketing thing because the marketing for the World cup has been off the hook. I don't know, I don't know what to say. Maybe if you're out there listening, you know, because you know, as this relates to cards too, for the last year and a half, two years, there have been, there has been a big push for soccer cards and how soccer cards are going to just explode in the United States allegedly, because we are co hosting. And by the way, it's not just The US that's hosting. It's Canada, Mexico and the United States are. There's three countries hosting this. I didn't know that. Yeah, there. There was a game last night in Vancouver. And so, you know, we went to the game in Santa Clara, which is just outside of San Francisco. San Francisco, San Jose, and Mexico's first game was in Mexico. They're all three are hosting. And I think that that's something that they're moving toward in the future, too. And it is interesting that people have been saying, you know, get soccer cards because the World cup is going to make them go up in value. But then, I mean, you didn't even know the World cup was happening in the United States. I think the problem is me. I think it's that when soccer gets mentioned, my brain just shuts off. It focuses on something else. I just can't with soccer. It doesn't do anything. It's like talking to me about Formula One or nascar. I don't have anything wrong with any of these things, but I just have no interest in it. The world's most popular sport you have no interest in Cricket is above soccer. You're saying, I don't know. Formula One, cricket, soccer, they're all up there. I mean, I. I don't. So what you're saying is, with the World cup happening in the United States, you've not been out buying up a bunch of soccer cards? I would never. I would love to have a Pele card, a Messi card. Who else? Who's the other big guy? Maradona was a Maradona. Yeah. He was just after Pele. I mean, Ronaldo, obviously, right? Yes. I would love to have these. These are my iconic 100 list. But I'm not. I'm not going to go out and buy cards speculatively, hoping that they go up because of the World Cup. Do you buy many cards speculatively anyways? No, I do. Very little Baseball hall of Fame speculation where, you know, I think that Felix Hernandez is going to make the hall of Fame someday. Dustin Pedroia could make the hall of Fame. So I bought their rookie autograph cards. One. One each. That's. Do you think Dustin Derea should make the hall of Fame? I don't think he should, but based on his results this year, I think that there's a better chance than I would have ever thought. I do think Felix Hernandez should. I agree with Felix Hernandez. I think that Felix Hernandez is a perfect example of how the. The stat compiling needed for hall of Fame versus the sheer dominance while pitching Is is changing. I mean going to the five man rotation, I mean if I'm not mistaken, Roger Clemens when he was on the Red Sox in the late 80s was the last four man rotation and then they eventually went to a five man rotation and were the last team to do that, if I'm not mistaken. And so the compiling of stats when you're pitching 20% of the games instead of 25% of the games, plus the amount of money that they make, more guys are doing the Sandy Koufax thing of well, if I keep pitching my arm's gonna fall off so I'm gonna just stop pitching because I'm already crazy rich. Exactly. So I think that that is definitely a thing. And you know, as this relates to cards, because I do want to talk a little bit about cards today. My, my buddy, our buddy Tony Southern collector made a really interesting comment recently and I don't, I think it was just, just directly in like a group chat or something. But he was saying autographs on cards. So like will, will back in the day, in the golden era, you know, those guys didn't make a ton of money. So I would go to card shows as get. I have pictures of me, not me, but pictures that I took of Harmon Killebrew, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, you know, all of those guys signing at every card show, they were literally on tour to sign because they weren't rich. But these guys nowadays, like Garrett Cole who makes like $40 million a year, I don't think he's going to be going to the national every year like Reggie Jackson is or like Jim Palmer is or Steve Carlton is. Like those guys aren't going to sign forever. Which means, you know, I know everybody likes the pack pulled autos. But then there's the in person autos on cards. I think that some of those cards are not going to have a ton of autographs on them because you're not going to have these ultra rich guys sitting down. Charles Barkley is not going to be at the hall, is not going to be at the national every year signing and signing. Well, maybe Charles will, but you get my point. Is there something to be said for in person autos being underappreciated in the hobby of these ultra rich guys who aren't going to just sign for the rest of their life. Absolutely. The, the problem comes in when let's say you're buying Albert Poo Hol because he doesn't out of it. Oh, he froze for a second. I think you're back. Oh, he's autographs. He. He didn't even know that you were here for a minute. Well, I'm here. You're frozen on the screen, which is perfect. And I can hear about every fourth word, which is. Okay. It looks like you're back now. Sorry. Hearing every fourth word is probably better, I would imagine. We good now? Yes. So the problem comes in when you're. You're buying pooholes. Let's pretend that I'm investing in Pujols on card autographs or in person autographs or whatever I'm investing in. I don't have any Pujols autographs, by the way, but we're just going to pretend. And Pujols, because he hasn't signed a ton, he charges. Even when he was signing a lot, back when other people were charging like 50 or $60, he was charging $300 for an autograph. I don't know what he charges now, but it has to be a lot more because he used to be way above anybody else. Now 300 feels like any superstar problem comes in when if one of these guys, and I'm not saying Pujols will, but one of these guys could go broke. We've seen a lot of professional athletes make hundreds of millions of dollars and then go broke. Then what are they going to turn to? They're going to turn to autographs, and then they're going to become the next Pete Rose with a million plus autographs out there. And so if you think that you're investing in a guy like Pujols now, you still have to worry about the fact that they have 40 years ahead of them of signing years. Yeah, that's a fair point. But. But Tony is. Tony's buying like Jackie Robinson and Ricky Mantle autographs, and those two guys probably aren't going to sign much more. Just. Yeah, I don't think they are. I don't. I think that's a good hypothesis. But Antoine Walker of your Boston Celtics who has gun has got. He's probably signing with a, you know, with an oil change at the local Jiffy L. I mean, buy a bag of chips and dip. And then all of a sudden Antoine Walker is signing the bag or your napkin or arm or anything you want for five bucks. He is. He's famously known for his Walker Wiggle. So he should say, you should get a the Wiggles DVD and have him sign that. I watched a lot of Wiggles about 18 years ago. Watch that show a lot more than I'd like to admit. Yeah. And Jojo's Circus Was a big one in our house, too. Yeah, you did also want to talk about chips and dip, as I mentioned them a second ago. Chips and dip. So if you can go into your email, your midlife email right now, you'll find a recipe there because we love talking about food, and we haven't in a while. Last week, I was at a card show, and Steve, a long time fan of my channel, came up to me and he told me he loves what we're doing here. But the thing he called out is he loves when we talk about snacks. And I hear that. That's the most common thing I hear from people. They don't want to hear. They don't come up to me and say, I love how you guys talk about sports cars. Well, of course, that's what we do. Everybody talks about how we talk about snacks. So here's. Here's a dip. It's the greatest food I've ever eaten in my life. I'm going to tell. Yeah, my head just exploded. The greatest food you've ever eaten in your life is the dip you're about to reveal. Yes. The recipe is on the screen right now. Anybody can have it. I want you all to go make it now. This makes a lot. This makes a crock pot full of dip. Chop it in half, whatever you want to do. Here's the thing. I had this at my neighbor's house. This is my neighbor's recipe. I had this at her house, I don't know, 16, 17 years ago for the first time, and I couldn't get enough. I. I probably embarrassed myself with how much I was eating of it. There's actually, there's no doubt. I mean, people probably talked about me for years afterwards. That guy who ate all the dip, and it was the most amazing thing ever. And so I said, you got to give me the recipe. So she sent the recipe over, and you can see the recipe right here. My wife made it for me, and I texted my neighbor afterwards, and I said, hey, it's a little bit different. She followed the recipe perfectly. And my neighbor said to me, she probably drained the fat out after cooking the meat. And I was like, well, of course she did. And she said mine had all the fat included. And. And I can tell you it was 85% lean ground beef, which. There is a lot of fat in that, right? Yeah, I mean, a lot of fat. I mean, people throw that out. I just drink it. And Mike froze. That was a perfect. My Mike is frozen right now with excitement at my. My joke of drinking the fat from the hamburger. Look at him. Look at him on the screen. Oh, you're. You're. You're frozen. Internet, full WI fi. Everything's perfect. And I'm hardwired in. This is a Stream yard issue. This is a streamyard issue. Well, it's not like, repay them a lot. I want video calls. I know. $45 a month each. So my neighbor leaves the fat in the dip. Wait a second. Did you hear my joke? Did you hear my joke? You missed my joke. You. I said. Right before you froze, I said, wait. Some people throw out the fat. I just drink it. See, that was the. That was what I was expecting. And then I look, and you're frozen on the screen. It was. It was like. I was like. That was. I thought it was funny. In all seriousness, Greg, do you drain the fat? Of course. Right? I was flabbergasted. And we've been making it, you know, maybe once a year, Super Bowl Sunday, my wife will make the dip for me. And we've always drained that. It's still unbelievably delicious. It's just slightly different. There's like a less, I don't know, Tang to it maybe. I don't know, but it's just. It's always stuck with me that she leaves the fat in. And it's. I mean, it's a. The crock at the bottom of the. That's so much fat. And then to dump that into the. Oh. Oh. I gotta tell you, I mean, we are now the one stop shop for all things entertainment and dip. I mean, you come to the sports card clubhouse, you think you're gonna hear about cards, and you're getting recipes. I mean, at this point, gotta be the top. Gotta be the top podcast in all of existence. I mean, Joe Rogan's gotta be just like, what are these. Who are these guys coming at me? Joe who? Exactly. Precisely. I love that you shared it. I'm absolutely gonna try it. Now. The question is whether I'll be able to try it before the next time we hang out. And I'm gonna try to make that happen. Yes. And you put it on video like you did the. What was the thing? It was. Oh, the Oreo peanut butter cup sandwich. I mean, it was. That was. That was legit. You have to have Tostitos to scoop. I use scoops. Tostito Scoops. Okay. You gotta dip those in. So Tostito Scoops are a must. Absolutely. Okay. I mean, I don't even know what I'm doing the rest of the day. So maybe I'll just do it today. Possibly. It's a four hour crock pot cook. Oh, well, I don't think, I don't think I'm going to be doing it today then. Yeah. Yeah, maybe it'll be my dinner tomorrow. I have done that before. Boy. All right, well, another one in the books. I don't know what episode number this is, but we are, we are quickly approaching 9, 10 months of these. So. Yeah, it was September, late September that we started this, I think. Okay, so nine months or so. Yeah, I mean, heck, to infinity and beyond. It's been a blast. It truly has. And if, if, if you're out there and you don't agree, I don't know what to tell you. I just don't. All right, buddy. Well, a month and a half from the national, we'll hang out. Our buddy Adam Splendid Sports is going to be at the national. That it will have to get a picture. Oh, right. I have to get a picture. Adam, Jeremy, you, me, plus yeah, we gotta get another one with all of our contributors. Everybody. Everybody. I mean, except for Dylan because Dylan doesn't like us. We could say Dylan's in the picture. It just. He got cut off or something, you know, There you go. I mean, that's the easy solution. I'll, I'll make him look taller, put them on stilts. He'll be in the back on a, on a box or something. All right, buddy. Well, and appreciate the, the advice on the dip. I'm absolutely gonna try it. And I think we solved all the world's problems. Yeah. Maybe we should just put the recipe right in the description for anybody who wants it. I mean, if we didn't, it would be like we were withholding information. So we will do that. It look in the description down below for the dip recipe. Is there a name for the dip or is it just dip? It's the dip. The dip. Capital T, capital D, the Dip. I, I believe in high school, a few times that was my nickname, possibly. All right, good. I'll, I'll talk to you later. Let's see.