The Next Hidden Market? + Hidden Hobby Gems | The Hangover Ep 8 Part 2

Do this. The hangover. So I bought a card the other day, guys. I bought a card and this is a card that probably. David, you were. We were together when we even discovered that this card existed. Why don't you tell the story about this process that you and I sometimes go through when we're on late night phone calls? Yeah. Part of our different ways to experience this hobby, Jeremy and I are, are just putting our minds together and thinking of cards that are just not on the top of our mind. Especially in today's market where base vintage baseball cards are getting to be so expensive, it's kind of hard to find cards that are under our radar that we don't know very much about. So we're just trying to explore new lanes. And as Jeremy bought his Superman card and then we started looking at these 66 Marvel Donrus cards, we just started kind of saying like, huh, you know, these are only a few different superheroes. Let's think of the other superheroes that are not on our mind. And then we're both like nerds on our computer. Like, let's look at other superheroes. Then we start looking at like the Silver Surfers, the Green Lanterns. And then we're like, Wolverine. Wait, why is he not on our radar? Wolverine is one of the coolest comic people of all time. And you know what? I can't even think of what a Wolverine card looks like, especially an early version of it. So with us kind of going through that and going through these different lanes, that's how this topic ended up starting. So show them what you got, Jeremy. Yeah, so two nights ago. Oh no. This was. Yeah, this was, this was Sunday. This was Sunday night when I was doing the Fanatics weekly Auckland auctioneering watch party show on, on YouTube, on sports cars Live and on Fanatics Collect Originals. The card ended during that, so I had to, I had to put in a bid kind of. I think I might have done it while I was, while I was streaming. I just kind of put in the bid and, and set a timer and, and, but, but, but anyway, I bought the Wolverine card, which we have identified as being the Wolverine rookie card. You know, air, air quotes. Wolverine rookie card. So, so I'm going to share it. Here's the one I bought. This is. These are the images from PSA's website. I bought the 1980 Marvel Terra busy Wolverine. Yeah, we can, we can lean to the other direction if you want, guys. And this is card number 86 in the set. It is the earliest card shaped item in this Marvel Terabusi set to feature Wolverine. There is a POG earlier on, but I don't count that personally, so I don't care. This, to me, is his rookie card. And this is, if you notice, you can see the back as well. It's got some. Some design on the back. This is the Spanish version. There is also, David, is it the Venice, Argentina? There's also the Argentinian version, which is a blank back, which is misunderstood by some grading companies, actually. Anyway, I bought this card. This is a PSA. It's in a PSA5 holder. And the populations are actually very interesting here. So here's the population breakdown of the card I bought and you can see 68 total submissions. I bought a 5. Mine is very low grade. I mean, mine is a pop 2, but there's like 60 graded higher. But I looked at a bunch of those eights and even some nines and my five looks just as good. Not a cheap card. I paid over a thousand dollars for the five. The nines are offered at like, what, like nine, $10,000. So I'm not willing to spend that much money. But. But. So this is the. This is the Spanish version. It doesn't say it on the PSA census here, but you can. But we know that now. I'm going to also share the. The pop report for the Argentinian version right here. 44 total copies graded, the highest being a six. These are blank backs. I wanted the copy that has something on the back. To me, there's just so much additional value and like reward in owning a card that has something on the back as well when you have that option. So those are the two. There's a total of about 130 between. Or no, not 130. More like 112, I guess, between the two of them. And so that's it. Here's my purchase. Funny enough, I bought it from PSA on ebay there, as you can see, exactly what I paid. $1,131. Thirteen bids. And so that's my new card. Now it goes with. As David mentioned, I bought my Superman card at the national last year. I bought my first appearance of Lois Lane with that card. I've always owned. Not always, but for several years I've owned the 66 Batman Black Bat as well as the Robin card. So I got two Superman cards. I got two Batman cards and I got the Wolverine. I got five superhero cards. Oh, no. Plus I have. Plus I have an Iron man and a spider man from the 66 Don Russ. So I have seven superhero cards. I still want to get the Hulk and the Captain America, which will put me at close to 10, 11 superhero cards. And. And then I'm pretty much done with the superheroes until I find my Green Lantern, my Silver Surfer, some others that I liked when I was a kid. So that's where I'm at. That's my. That's my mail day. Yeah, I'm pretty happy to have Wolverine out of the way because David. And I mean, we're pretty bullish on, on the Wolverine card. And I'm glad I got mine now and you, you got yours already, David? Yeah, yeah, I ended up getting one too. You got one too. So we got ours. We hunted for. I mean, we probably discovered this card a couple weeks ago, I'm guessing. Does that feel right to you? Yeah, we both felt like we wanted one right away. We were like, we need this card and we need one now before everybody discovers it. We kind of felt like, how could it not be on people's radar, how cool it is. But here's kind of the interesting thing, right? It's. It's the marriage of pops and cops comps. Somebody should write a book about that. And you know, if there was 7,000 of those cards that were made by TOPS, I don't think that I would care as much. But what is so cool about this card is the universal pop between Argentina and Spanish versions. There's 134 of them. And just think about that extremely hard to get Superman card that Jeremy has that I want. There's 288 of those. Okay, so there is less than half of those Wolverine cards than those Superman cards. So I was kind of thinking about it. So I think, I think the. I think we just have to mention there though that I don't think that the Wolverine card has been on people's radar as a grade worthy card where Superman has been. So I think that. I think that yes, the, the pop is low right now. Global 137 PSA between the two. The two versions I just sold, I think 112 or so. I think that number has potential to go up. So we, we don't. So here we are talking about our new. Like, here we are pumping the Wolverine car. We're gonna pump it up like we are now influencers and we are gonna pump. We're pumping our new card very blatantly. You know, we're. Hey listen, I, if you, if anyone ever wants to accuse me of pumping up a card because I'm talking about a car that I bought and I like. I don't care. Call me a pumper all you want. Does. Doesn't hurt my feelings. But, but, but I think we have to be cautious that there will be more copies in PSA slabs, probably at a, at a. At a quicker pace than more Superman 1940 number ones will get in there. So I'm very excited to have the card and it's a nice card. It's not a, it's. It's, it's got a good size to it. It's going to look great with all my other superhero cards. I'm loving my superhero cards right now. I can't tell you how much. So anyway. J. Josh, Joe, any thoughts on. Any comments, Thoughts on that at all? Josh? Nothing. You're. Josh is. You know why Josh has nothing to say? Because he doesn't want. He, he's. He's practicing. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. That's why Josh isn't making any comments. Joe, what do you think, what do you think about this newly found Wolverine card? Oh, it's vibrant colors and I love the, the, the scarcity element of it. And to me, actually, I mean, I, I was a little surprised at the price. Price when you flashed it there. I mean, that's not insignificant. That ain't chump change, as they say. So clearly there is a following already. You're, you're not the very first adopter. Someone's already on this. And so probably more to come. The one curiosity I have is, you know, it seems like with the Batman and the Superman that those were released in the United States, is there a difference? You know, when there's international releases, does that, does that. Is that partly why they're more scarce and is there any sort of pedigree to be aware of? I don't necessarily expect you to know the answer since this is somewhat new in your world, but I bet some of the experts out there would have, you know, maybe a hierarchy of, of evaluation around those kinds of things. Great comment on the, you know, the international aspect of it. And I, Yeah, I mean, all I can tell you is the whole international card thing is new to. In the last five years when I first discovered the music and the Hollywood cards, the, the Swedish Samler Sakers and the Dutch HB sets and the, the, the, the, the builder cards. Like, I love this stuff. So this kind of like, fits right in for me. And so, yeah, I love it. But good comments. And, and I'm curious to Learn more. Ryan Nolan Breakout Cards does a lot of content on this sort of thing. And I've gone back and watched some of his old videos. I talked to him on the phone and actually we had him talk to him the other day here. He's gonna come on the show again soon. So, yeah, it's really, it's so much fun. And, and it's, we're learning. This is why the hobby's so awesome, guys. We get to discover new friends, we're making new friends, we're building relationships, enhancing our lives. We get to discover new issues. They're popping up all the time. New cards that I haven't heard about. I just hope that they're not like the best of the best and being. Being printed in someone's basement in, in Louisiana. You know what I mean? So the great state of Louisiana where Cajun cardboard happens to come from coincidentally. Josh, you had your hand up there. What were you gonna say? Yeah, I'm surprised that it took that long for Wolverine to have his own card given that, you know, X Men had that or the Marvel had that set in 66. I wonder what the reason is that they left out Wolverine in the 66 set. I think he was a tertiary character that didn't have a claim to fame until the more recent movies started coming out. So, you know, when David and I were like, we both were. I remember the night we were like on the phone, we're both searching online, looking at cards and I went into chat GPT and I said, who are the top 10 superheroes of all time? And like Wolverine, I believe, showed up on that list. And I'm like, okay, I don't care about this guy or that guy because, you know, just because they show up on a list doesn't mean I'm going to have to collect them. Like, you know, just like, I don't collect any checklist really. So. But Wolverine came up and we started researching and that's what we found. We found the, the Spanish and the. And the Argentinian Terra Busi, which is a comp. Is a company still in business. They make baked goods and they put the cards there's. You can actually go online on, on ebay and find unopened packs of this terribusi. Now I say a pack, it's a one card pack. I believe that it's like a very thin thing that was inserted in the, in the food packaging. So it's pretty cool. It's kind of neat to discover this. Josh, any before we go to David. Kind of like Bruner's Bread and those old, like, 1910 bread cards. That's pretty awesome. Exactly, David. Yeah, yeah, they were. They were in the. The cookies and candy packages. Right? Just like what you just said, Josh. And when you're asking about dates, the first appearance of Wolverine was in an Incredible Hulk comic in 1974. So it's already after the 66 set. And Wolverine's first solo comic, when he became popular was in the early 80s. It was like 82. So this was the in between of him even having his first comic before he even had his own title. That makes sense then. That's cool. Thank you. I didn't know that. That's awesome. Yeah. No, David, that's. That's incredible information, which, you know, he's. First appearance 74, his first card, 1980. His first comic of his own title. 82. I like that it. I like that it. That it precludes his actual title. His own comic coming out. Joe, you're kind of thinking like, that is kind of cool. Hey, yeah, no, I mean, again, and I. And I love the. The. The. The cardboard. The one thing I mentioned when I first saw it, Jaylee, was kind of reminded me a tiny bit of Batman, you know, just with the. The garb and. And the setup there, which, you know, the, the whole DC Marvel war, if you will, between characters and, you know, prominence in the. In the, in the. In the comic book character land, it always kind of interests me. But, yeah, I. I'm not sure I'm ready to go there. I'm. I'm. I'm down with the music cards. I'm, you know, I got my Bob Dylan and, you know, the, the Paul McCartney's, but maybe. Maybe I'll. Maybe I'll get on board. I think I'd start with a Batman or a Superman. Yeah. One thing also, you know, there's a very famous. And I'm so nerdy. I actually have that Incredible Hulk first appearance of Wolverine comic book. I love it. It's my favorite comic I have. But he looked very different. And even in that card, he looks different than what we all picture him as, looking like that one in 1982. There's, like, a very famous artist, his name is Frank Miller, who ends up designing the COVID And this is a way more like Batman version, just like what you said, of Wolverine. And it just kind of makes him look old school, which is kind of fun. It's like the old, you know, versions of Mickey Mouse compared to what he looks like today. I kind of feel like it has this Wolverine essence to it. All right, good stuff. Well, that's, that was my pickup the other night. I speak. You mentioned Paul McCartney. Joe, I don't have these sort of teed up, but I on com C. I've gone on a bit of a rampage there the last few days and I don't know if I've. Who I've even shown these to among you guys. But I'm gonna just. Here, I'll quick. I'm gonna quickly open up the. And just show you some of my other recent pickups. I'm very excited about again. I'm, you know, just like David. I'm. I'm a nerd about this. Well, we're all nerds about this stuff. So here, let me share with you guys this card. I just picked up this elvis from the 65 HB set. I love these 65 HBs because they're very portrait like and Elvis has a ton of. Of international cards, but this one really stands out to me. I also picked up the George Harrison from the same set. I already have the John Lennon. So now I got the George Harrison. I picked up the Ringo Star. I need the Paul McCartney. I don't have the Paul McCartney yet. I'm going to buy one of those soon and, and then I'll have the quartet. And then I also bought this Beatles card. This is 1965 TV film Idol, Idler. So this is some Dutch card or something. But it's really cool. It's got Lennon and George Harrison on it, which I thought was a cool. I like individual cards, but I, I don't think I paid much for these cards, so. But they were, they were fun. Also, these aren't mail days because I don't have them in hand yet. But I, I do plan on picking them up at the national. So. Yeah, that's fun. If there's a duo to have, I think Lennon and McCartney count for that. For sure. For sure. I, I agree. It's fun. It's just fun. I just love this stuff. Like, yeah, I can't wait till I can share my flight of Beatles from that HB set where they're just beautiful images, portraits with different color backgrounds. It makes for a very nice flight. So I'm very excited about that. Okay, David, you sent me two cards. Why don't I share the first one? Guys, have a look at date one of David's most recent mail days. Here we go. 1948 Bowman Stan Musial rookie card in a SGC 5.5 holder. David, this card looks to be an absolute blazer. Tell us about it. Yeah, so I had a SGC3 of this card. So I actually upgraded to upgrade, which I don't do very often, but it is very tough to find these 48 Bowman cards centered. And this one is. Is very nicely centered for me. I do also like that the registration looks pretty good. And it was just one of those special versions that I decided to pay up for just because I've looked at so many 48 Bowman cards of Bara, Spawn and Mutual, because those are kind of the. The three that I like the most, man. By the way, that Warren Spawn like original rookie card is dirt cheap. If anybody wants a dirt cheap rookie card, it's a terrible photo, but that's just a very odd card. So I really loved that card. And you know, Mule is one of those players where he's not spoken about at the top tier, but if you look at his stats, he is top tier. Right? He is. He is one of those really Mount Rushmore kind of players, but he's just talked about a little bit less, probably because of the team he was on. Right. He wasn't a Yankee. Right. And because it was a smaller market, I don't think he gets his due. But I just like this version that I ended up getting. Beautiful, beautiful copy, man. It looks. It looks fantastic. I love the card. I'm fortunate to own a copy myself. And. And then the other one you sent me. Joe's already said this guy's name today. This card, I think, is gorgeous. Here it comes. 1966 Sammo Chips Publish star Bob Dylan, pop and film, large PSA 3 holder, recently graded. Look at his eyes in this image. Bob Dylan looking. Maybe the best he's ever looked. I mean, this is a really nice looking card here. Tell us about this piece. I don't think I've ever seen it. So with this piece, I was talking to somebody on ebay who had some Bob Dylan cards and we started corresponding and they told me, have you ever seen these cards, these Sammo chips? Which, by the way, just like dandies, they were in the chip bags without a bag and the back of it has a little bit of a stain. And I said I'd never heard of those before. And. And he said they're one of the earliest Dylan cards and they're one of the most rare that you can find. He told this to me like three or four months ago. I've been always like, have it on my auction wire. I've had it on my ebay. And then this one popped up and I won it at an auction. And I just want to first. So to me, Musial and Dylan are relatively similar. Right. When someone's talking about, like the greatest bands of all time, the Beatles, the Stones. Right. And then like right below that is like Dylan. Right? Right. Where I don't think that most people just say it. The tip of your tongue, but he is obviously a pioneer as a songwriter, and I think that they're relatively similar. Now let's just kind of talk about why I'm in this new lane. Okay. That 48 Bowman mutual card has a population of 4200. Okay. This early edition Sammo Chips publish star has a population of three. Oh, okay, three. And there's a large version and there's a small version. The guy who told me about this said, you want the large one because the small version there's more of. Because there's a population of 6 of the small version. Okay. 9 altogether. This card, which is one of Bob Dylan's first cards, that has a barely ever population. Which, by the way, he told me after I won the auction, he said, was that you that won the auction? I said, yes. He goes, I was the second highest bidder. I shouldn't have told you about that card. Card. So he was actually the other person that was trying to win this card. What did you have to pay for this card? If I ask you, with a population of three, with one of Bob Dylan's earliest cards in existence, what would you. And by the way, there's zero. Higher. This is the highest pop. Highest graded card of this. What would you guess a card like this of a pop? Three would be. I mean, me, I. I would. I would expect this to be thousands of dollars, but. But it's also unknown. So there's a smaller market. If it was known. Thousands of dollars in its unknown state right now, where very few people are even aware of it, I would think maybe 800 bucks, something like that would be. But yeah. So this is the reason why I'm in this lane. Anyone else want to guess? You want to guess Josh? So it's a complete unknown. I would say no, Joe. Got it. I would say a thousand bucks. Joe. Yeah. I was gonna start with 15, but then I thought a little bit about what Jay Lee said. So I'll go to like 750 and remember. Right. And there are other big stars in this Sammo Chips set. So that is a known set for. I've heard. I might even heard Ryan talk about this card. But that don't hold me to that, David. Read the price. Yeah, so. So this card that has a population of three, that's one of Bob Dylan's first cards. And this is the highest graded one of all times. Cost me $360 at auction. Nice. This is the reason why I'm a little jaded with sports. And by the way, my. My Mutual, which there's 4200 of, cost me $3,000. Okay. Yeah. So this is why I really feel like. And by the way, I'm not selling any of these cards. This isn't me pumping. It hurts me to be speaking about this because I'm at the beginning stage of me buying and I'm not selling any of them. Okay. But I'm just saying that there's these crazy lanes, which I think is the Wolverine lane too that we just talked about. Right. There are these new lanes, which is why I think these non sport vintage is being talked about so much right now is because baseball cards are very expensive and there's these new cards that we're expanding our minds to that are still dirt cheap. And I'm just figuring them out and I'm loving it because that card is very exciting to me. And to tell you the truth, I think I even like it more than the mutual card that cost 1/10 of the price. Yeah, it's crazy how that. How that goes. Josh, Joe, any thoughts on that? Joe? Josh, what do you think? I mean, do you into this at all or just. I love it, I love it. I love Bob Dylan. He's like my favorite. He's my favorite song, my favorite artist of all time. So that's incredible. I wish I knew about that. I would have bid over 600 and snaked it from David. And did Bob Dylan ever play in the 90s? Would you like over. He. He played. He's playing next week in the Chicagoland area. I'm gonna go see him. So yes, he's played. He's been playing all the time since the 60s. Some of his best. He had a really good song in the 90s for that movie Wonder Boys. Yeah, I wonder like over. Because for anyone who doesn't know, Josh is a partner in a company called 90s Auctions where they sell. They auction. It's a niche auction company, which I think is great. And they auction off cards that are like from players that either cards from the 90s or of players who played in the 90s. Have you done any non sport like this Hollywood, this music stuff? No, no, we don't want Pokemon, but no Non sport. But, yeah, I would definitely sell non sports stuff. Also, oddly, we would sell a Nolan Ryan rookie card in there because technically he pitched in the 90s. He beat up Nolan. He beat up robin venture in 1991. 1990. So it works out. Love it. Joe, what about you? How do you like. Isn't that a cool car, that Dylan? Oh, it's amazing. I mean, it's got that kind of like that color, that vivid color that almost reminds you of like an old magazine or something, I guess, where my brain is going back. Oh, there's the back. Hold on. Regular back. And there is stain. There is a slight chip stain from it because it was part of. Just like Dandy's. It was in the bag. Nice. I like this oversized. Jeremy, don't look. Divert your eyes. I don't want you to turn the stones. It looks nice. Go ahead, Joe. Thank you. Oh, just, you know, because we were. We were going down this rabbit hole, like you mentioned Jay Lee about three or four years ago, and I felt like there was a little bit of momentum. Maybe it was just, you know, connected to the, you know, the. The pandemic and people, you know, going down rabbit holes. But I. I wonder. I guess what I speculate is whether the uprising, even though it's a whole different genre, but in. In t. You know, the Pokemon and. And Magic, the Gathering cards, if that's just kind of expanding everyone's vista to the wonders and joys of collecting cardboard and whether or not it's a historical figure, whether or not it's a Marvel character or a DC character, or whether or not it's a Pokemon character, whether or not it's a sports hero. I just wonder if we're kind of reaching a point. I agree with what you're saying, David. There's a value proposition that's hard to pass up, especially when you look at kind of the corollaries of the vintage sports market. But I also wonder if there's also kind of a rising tide lifting all boats with regards to people just wrapping their brains around. These are fun to collect. These are fun to have possession of and, you know, look over. Yeah, yeah. You know, talk about the timing of it all and, you know, are we. Are we early? Are we middle? I don't think we're late on this stuff as far as a wider trend happening. And I've. Historically, in my collecting, I've identified trends before they become. And I'm not. I'm not. I'm not Nostradamus, but some things are pretty. Have Been obvious to me, you know, as an example, looking at. Even in. In hockey when. When 2012 FLIR Retro came out with all these 90s insert throwbacks that no one was chasing. And I'm like, this is going to do something because look what's happening in bait in basketball. And this is in the late 2000 teens. And I went gung ho on these things and it became very good. I've got. I have a. I'm. I've had a good track record at sort of trend spotting or trend predicting even on these. It was five years ago, Joe, that I was buying a lot of music and Hollywood cards, and I ended up moving out of a lot of them for, you know, a couple. In a couple of my consolidations. But it's like I was too early on those and now I'm wishing I didn't sell some of those cars. Like there's, you know, some slight regret there. It's like, ah, I got rid of those cars and they go so cheap. I'd love to get them back. So now I'm kind of replenishing that collection that I was very excited about back then. So, yeah, I think. I think people. You talk about the rabbit hole and then there's the crossover look. I have no interest in collecting comic books. They just. It doesn't interest me. I love cardboard. I have respect for the superheroes of old. I used to read comic books and now I can bring them together as a card collector and own their early appearances of Batman and Superman and Wolverine and. And all these guys. Spider Man. I love it. I love the. The crossover appeal. Music fits in the same thing for me. I do not collect L. I do not collect vinyl. I do not collect CDs. I don't. Graded music things does not interest me just the way graded comic books doesn't interest me. And even graded video games, even though I have a couple, doesn't really interest me. I collect cardboard. I don't. Don't stop telling me that I can buy the whole jersey for the price of the card. Well, I. With a patch. I don't collect whole jerseys. You know, why don't you go start collecting vintage Heinz ketchup bottles instead of buying cards, like, get out. Get out of here. Get out of here, as they say, you know. So anyway, I'm being. I'm being funny, but. Or at least I think I'm funny. Maybe I'm too. Or maybe I'm early on me being funny. So anyway, just some thoughts there. Go ahead, David. So. And because I Love on sports Cars Live, how we have these well rounded discussions, I'm going to push back about why music cards might not be good. Okay. I think that, you know, when me, I, I'm in, I'm in the housing market, right? I'm a mortgage broker. And when the housing market is at an extreme high, the outside of the main areas, their houses, the prices of those houses inflate dramatically right outside of the main areas. And then when there's a housing crash, those cars get, those houses get killed. Okay, so like that happens to Vegas every year. That happens to anytime there's a housing boom. Same with Phoenix and Sacramento. Those kind of areas that are outside of San Francisco or things like that, they have huge increases in value as housing prices are up. So maybe because baseball card prices are so up, we're starting to go after these extracurricular kind of cards. And maybe if, when there is a crash, these will get hit even harder. But again, I'm just giving you that other side of it. At the same time, for me, I'm not selling them anyway and they're cheap enough where I don't care. Yeah, I, I, I think that's a really interesting point and it's been on my mind lately. I've been talking to a few of my collector friends about the soccer card market, right, which is seeing, you know, an uptick understandably around the World cup, which we've, we've seen this cycle. And so it kind of begs the question, do you know, baseball, football, basketball, collectors migrate over to the soccer card market for a while while it's interesting and hot and then go back to what their bread and butter is and, or are there new collectors emerging when a really exciting World cup is happening? You know, new adopters of, of, of card collecting. And I, I don't have the answer to that, but I think more often than not it is the card collector sensibility that already exists and they migrate as opposed to like, I think we all would like to see more people popping up. And that was my point about like the Pokemon. At least it captured some people into the overall gestalt of card collecting, which I think is a good thing overall as much as people complain about the shows being overrun with Pokemon. David, you know, you talked about when a crash happens, will they get hit the hardest? I think that you're basing that thought on the current popularity of them. But if there, if, if non sport is on an uprise right now by the time there is, you know, a big fallout from the whole cardboard market, if there, if there ever is going to be one. These things could have caught up to the point where they don't get hurt as much as we think because people might really love them. There might be more crossover collect coming into them. More music fans, more, more historical figure people, more fans of history, more fans of science fiction. And you know, how many movies is Marvel putting out and Disney and all these different things with? Disney owns one of these one or all these companies. So yeah, I mean, it's really interesting. It's really interesting. But, but again, to think about all plausible situations and explanations of what might go on. I wouldn't cut these things short. I wouldn't, I'm not cutting them short. I'm not saying that I would, they wouldn't be the first cards that I would sell. I mean, when I sold some of my other ones, they weren't the first ones I sold because they weren't that valuable. It's like, why am I going to sell these? But you know, when you're trying to raise a bunch of money, you, you, you, you know, you, you scratch for pennies. But yeah, I think there could, we could, we could be in store for a whole different thing. You never know. Well, we will know one at some point. I suppose so. All right, guys, any sort of final comments before I show you something funny? And so I shared on my Instagram the other day the, the, the, that new discovery of that, that new 48 leaf card that was, that was finally discovered from out of nowhere. This one right here, first graded copy ever is the 48 Leaf Jeremy Lee. It's in a PSA7 holder and it's a pop one. Uh, we also have the 58 Tops Jeremy Lee, uh, in a PSA6 holder there. And finally the 1914 Cracker Jack Jeremy Lee. This Jeremy Lee guy's got cards in multi sport. This Jeremy Lee is the new Bo Jackson, the new Dion Sanders of the hobby he play. He's got cards in, in those three sports and I hear there's a basketball card coming in due course as well. So the guy's all over the place. But yeah, Joshua, I mean, and also he's timeless. He's playing in 1914 and also 1948 and it's incredible. And 58 and I think the basketball, his basketball card might be from when he played in the 80s. So I mean, this thing's going crazy. I mean it really is amazing. Yeah, yeah, he's a, he's a wonder of the world. Joe, have you thought about getting those stickered I am in talks with Mike Baker Fanatics and I appeal Inc. To see if I can get the appropriate stickers on these cards. Four Sharp Corners is thinking about it because they have their elite grade stickers, I believe. And so I'm in con. I'm in talks with all of them. And then of course the Jeremy Lee sticker company might also just want to sticker their own cards. So we'll see. We'll see where that goes. All right guys, any final thoughts comments before we wrap up this episode of The Hangover? Episode 8 for the week of July 6, 2026. Guys, is that it? Anything else? I was not talking first there, Joe. Josh, go ahead, Josh. Go Josh. This is good trivia question and I'll answer in the comments. What? There are four players who are in the T206 set and the 33 Gowdy set. Who are they? Boom Boom. There's one for the comments below. Let's get your answers in the comments below. David, final comments for the Hangover. I was just going to ask, what's the pop count of those leaf cards that you're going to be giving out at the national? 4 billion. Well, these ones here. Yeah, yeah, those, those newly discovered with an old PSA label with a very old cert number. You got me. Oh, busted. I got busted on that one. Yeah, there's, there's enough to go around. I'll put it to you that way. Is it gonna be enough that you'll have extra? I will have extra to give to pretty much anyone who approaches me at the National. I will have a copy of the 48 leaf Jeremy Lee available for them to, to add to their, uh, to their blue chip collection. Absolutely. Joe, final comments. Uh, fun to be here, great to see everybody and hope everyone's week rolls, rolls smoothly along. Guys, thank you to the three of you. Check out the hunt on fanatics dot live giveaways then on Thursday, giveaway on Sunday, actually on the, on the weekly auctionee watch party. This Saturday's episode of Sports Cards Live is going to be another banger, some investigative journalism type of stuff going on there. So you'll want to check that out. It's, it's drama, it's controversy, it's crime, it's a whole bunch of things potentially. So we'll want to check that out. Guys. Have a great rest of your day. Thank you for joining us. And with that, Man, these sports cards clubhouse, the, the brass is going to be very mad at you for doing such a long episode. Look, look how excited Josh is. I'm excited as he is. I'm excited. I thought Jay Lee was the brass.