Three Sides to Every Story + The Panel Reacts + Nobody Has Answers

Sports Cars live. Yeah. Hobby talk. Sports cars live, here we come. This show bout to go. Jeremy Lee. Get it done. This hobby is a lifestyle, bro. Y' all know. This hobby is a lifestyle, bro. Let's go. Best guests in the industry. You gonna see it tonight. We gonna keep up with this energy of sports cars live. Y' all know. It's a lifestyle, y' all know that we live now. Welcome to another episode of Sportscars Live with your host, Jeremy Lee. So, yeah, so I never took a picture of the card myself. I saw it. That's why I didn't question it when he handed me the FedEx box. I never questioned it. That's why I never questioned. Because I'm like, well, this guy's gonna want his other half of his money, you know? And then, you know, he told me once he got the other half of his money, he was gonna give me $5,000 for putting the deal together. Never saw that money. Never saw anything. So when you spoke to Jorge about this, what. What was his reaction back to you when you were having these conversations over and over again about, like, pay him his money? What was his response? He goes, how do I know Steve. Is it just keeping the card? How do I know Steve isn't trying to just keep his? You know, I was just like, man, there's no way Steve would do that. You know? You know, I was just like, dude, just give him his money back. You know? And he just like, you know, I tried my best. I really did. I was, like, trying to tell this guy, hey, you're gonna go to jail. You better give him his. I tried to put a lot of pressure on this guy to give. Give Steve his money back. And his response was just staying that same way. Just. He says. He just said, I'm gonna work on it. I'll work on it. I'll work on it. And he had. And I gave him Steve. Steve had his number. So, like I said, I gave Steve his information. I gave Steve everything. What else? What more could I have done? What else could I have done? I put them in contact with each other. I. I told. I told Jorge, hey, you need to send that money back many times. Many times. So. Okay. Yeah, that's completely. Yeah. Jeremy, do you have any questions for him? No, not really at this point. No, I don't. I think we've heard. We've heard Bruce's side of the story, and I. I don't know. I mean, I'm certainly not a. I'm not law of enforcement. I don't know What I could say that would help this, help Steve get his money back. And, and, and in the event that Bruce is telling us the truth, to exonerate his name and I don't know, I, I don't know what to do. I would just, I would like, I would like to see the truth come out and I would still hear me because I can't hear Jeremy. Yeah, so, so I'll just tell you kind of what Jeremy's saying. He's just really hoping that the truth comes out and that he appreciates you coming on the show and you giving your side of the story. And David, I hope that the truth comes out. I've given my side of the story. This isn't the first time Steve's got on a show. It like slandered my name, but like, I've given my story many times to a lot of people in the hobby. You guys aren't the first, the last, you know, but like I said, I've talked to some big time players in the hobby, like people with collections in the hundreds of the millions of dollars. Okay. Yeah. And they know me and they know I didn't do this. That's what I'm gonna say. I understand. One second, Bruce, let me just hear from Jeremy and then I'm gonna get right back to you. Go ahead. The end of my comment there, David, was that like, I, I hope the truth comes out. I hope, and I hope that. I hope that truth is such that Steve, Steve gets his money back and Bruce is found to be not guilty. And, and the, I don't know. I can't speak to Jorge, haven't heard his side of the story. But I hope that's what comes out of this. Like that's what I would hope for. But again, I can't, I can't. I'm not, I'm not a mind. A lot of people in the chat are apparently mind readers. I'm not a mind reader. I don't know. I don't know the actual truth here. Yeah. So what Jeremy is essentially saying is that we just hope that this ends just the same way as we. It sounds like everybody wants it to, is that you get your name clear straightened out and cleared and, and that Steve gets his money. Right. And that it just all ends in that kind of way. We're all hoping that that happens. We don't. And we're not mind. That's what I want to mind readers, you know, like, we can't, you know, we're. But we do appreciate you saying this and I, and this is now just coming from me. I appreciate that you are willing to work with law enforcement to try to get an answer to this, which I'm actually a little surprised that they haven't contacted you yet. No, like I said, I talked to, talk to a lawyer. I have a friend that's a lawyer. I explained to him the entire situation. And you know, like I said, they, they just because I live in Mexico, I still go to San Diego all the time. You know, I, I, I, Yeah, I live in Tijuana, Mexico. I have for many years. Before I even met Steve, I've lived here. Okay. So I go back and forth all the time. I have a, a U.S. address to receive mail. They have my email. It's very easily for law enforcement to get a hold of me if they want to ask me any questions. Okay. It's been nearly 18 months. No one's reached out to me. Okay. And like I said, I'll say one more thing. And I, and I just want to let you know. Yeah, I haven't talked to the guy Jorge in a long time. But after that incident occurred, I was pressuring him for months to give Steve his money back. And Steve kept, even though Steve kept slandering my name and saying bad things about me. And I was wrong. I'm in the wrong, too, with Steve. I said some pretty nasty things to him too, out of anger. And I, you know, I'm, that wasn't right on my end. Okay. And I feel bad for some of the stuff I said there, but I was so pissed off. It was a very frustrating thing for me to go through as well, too. I know I didn't lose a half a million dollars, but my reputation's damaged. You know, I get you're a piece of POS scammer. You know, I get those kind of messages from people because they never heard my side of the story. And that's unfortunate, you know. No, Bruce, I appreciate you, you know, giving your side of the story and for saying it, and I, and I can see the frustration in you, and I totally get it. And, but we, you know, just. I know you want this to end too, right? Oh, yeah. His money too. Would you be willing. I know you said you've been to the United States a few times. Would you. All the time. So would you be willing, while you're in the United States, to talk to law enforcement while you're in the U.S. why not try to help in that kind of way where you can be a little proactive? I know it's okay. Would you do that? Okay, I'll say this. I've told Steve, Steve, you have my information. I'm sure Steve has worked with law enforcement. I told Steve many times, have them reach out to me. They never have. Yeah. So Steve, it was Steve's. Steve has all the information. Steve has all this stuff. I told Steve many times, have law enforcement reach out to me. You're the one who filed the case. I'm sure he did did whatever he had to do and I hope he did do goes to the ends of the earth to get his money back. But I've told Steve many times, have law enforcement reach out to me. They have. He, Steve has all my contact information. It would be very easy for Steve to go law enforcement. Here's Bruce's information. Please go ask him questions. I've never got that call. I've never got that email. I've never got that phone call. And I'm here. Call me, email me, anytime. I give all the information that I have. Can you hear me here, Josh, right now? No, I cannot. No, I cannot wait. Josh, try to talk. Hi, Bruce, can you hear me? No. Ask him if he's coming to the national. Why does he meet with law enforcement? The national. Would he agree to that? So Josh is asking, if you're going to the national, would you be willing to meet with law enforcement while you're in the U.S. like I said, it's. I'm going to say this one last time. It's not my job to go meet with law enforcement. Law enforcement has my info. You just. They want to get a hold of me. They can get a hold of me. But don't you. Why wouldn't you be proactive about it and just try? Because I understand what you're saying, right? They can get a hold of you and you've said that and I totally get it. But you, I, if. So, I'm just going to put myself in this. Okay. And this is not a judgment, okay. I'm just saying that if I was a broker and I and one of my clients lost a lot of money, I would be proactive in trying to help them get their money back. And I was saying, and I understand you've done it so far, but what. But now that. Is it because you're, you're mad at Steve? Why won't you go that extra step and just do it? Okay. Yeah, I've gone the extra step. Okay. I spoke to an attorney. I've been advised on what to do. Okay. Okay. I've done all the steps that I could possibly take to, to. With. With this. Like I said, you have to understand. Why hasn't law enforcement reached out to me? Why. Why haven't they reached out to me? This happened. Steve's told. I'm sure Steve has called him and told him Bruce Feldman ripped me off. Well, what's Bruce Feldman's name? Okay. What's his phone number? What's his email? Okay, let's get a hold of him and let's contact him. That's never happened. Why is that? Okay. It's a good question. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, like I said, I've. I've been instructed by my attorney to do what I have to do. I've explained the situation to him, and, you know, and I'm gonna go with what he told me. Well, that's the answer. That's what I was looking for. That, that makes more sense to me is that an attorney gave you that guidance. Right? That's what I was. The disconnect that I was getting, like, why you wouldn't be doing it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Jeremy, do you have any other questions? No. Like I said, like I said, I'm not avoiding any law enforcement. I never have. Okay? I never have and I never will. Like I said, you know, Steve sent the money to that individual. I was, you know, I brokered the deal. I tried to put two people together, and what happened was very, very unfortunate. And I had no bad intentions for this to happen to him. Okay. And it's just so frustrating. Like, people still look at me as a bad guy. Bad things happen. Unfortunate things happen in life. Unfortunate things happen. And Steve, I know Steve really wanted that card, and I know Steve is upset because he sold a lot of his nice cards to get to go after this card. And I know he's really upset about that too. So I know there's a lot of frustration from him because he did go through a lot to go on and go get this card. And I can understand why he hates me. I can get it. I get it. But, you know, I just don't like my name over and over again being called a scammer and a scumbag and this and that. Because Steve ain't the only one I've done big deals with. And this is the only time I've ever had a deal go bad. Only time. Out of hundreds. Hundreds. You've. You've. You've told your side of the story. So you got what you know, you were able to explain yourself. I have a question that people in the Chat. Keep asking. And I feel like, I feel like I want to ask it too. Sure, ask me anything. Yeah. So like the photo that Steve is convinced was AI. Yes. Have you looked at that photo and do you also believe that it's not a real photo? I honestly, that stuff's so good now I don't, I can't tell the difference, man. I couldn't tell you it. Does it look like AI? Does it not look like AI? They sent me that photo. I forwarded it to Steve. It looked like the car that I held in my hand, man. But how about now? Now that it's over now, have you, I'm sure you've looked at it again. Do you see what honestly talking about? Yeah, no, I, I deleted that photo and everything months ago. I didn't want nothing to do with it. I deleted the photo, to be honest with you. I looked. But I did look at the photo before and it looked like the card to me. So like I said, I couldn't tell you. Like how you go on Instagram, you see videos of people. Sometimes you can't even tell if it's a real person or if it's AI. You can't tell anymore. So I wouldn't be able to tell you. Yeah, I could tell that's AI. No, I can't tell that's AI. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell and I don't think most people could. You know, I'm not a computer expert, a graphics expert. I wouldn't know. And I understand exactly what you're saying there. But like when you know that there's probably going to be an investigation on this, which it's over 500,000. What would be the reason to delete the photo? Like, why wouldn't you keep it as evidence to support yourself? Because Steve already has it. Steve already has it. Steve has it. So they have it. Law enforcement has it. Why do I need it? They have it. I don't need it. Law enforcement has those photos. I'm sure whoever's investigating the case because I sent them to Steve to stop talking, I would send those photos that I forward to Steve. Let me make that clear. I never took a photo of the car and sent it to Steve. I was for those photos I forwarded with Steve. So like there's no reason for me to keep them. Steve has them. Steve sent him to law enforcement. I'm thousand percent sure. Or whoever's investing in case. So they have them already. Okay, got it. One second. I just want to hear Jeremy's he's going to say something. One sec. Yeah, just for you guys and the chat. I guess Bruce can't hear me right now, but, like, yeah, he's. We're just. We're just rehashing the same thing over and over again. So. So let's just tell them thank you for coming on and. Yeah, tell them thanks for coming on. We can't prove anything right or wrong here in this room, Bruce. I mean, we appreciate you coming on here, and I know that, you know, you wanted to come on and clear your name and do that, and we hope that we gave you a platform to be able to talk freely about this, share your story. And I want to say thank you for giving me the opportunity to actually listening to me. And you guys been very respectful to me. I appreciate that. And not calling me a POS scammer like some people do right off the bat without even hearing my side of the story. So I really. I just want to let you. I appreciate. Jeremy, I appreciate all of you here in the chat, and, you know, you know, I'd love to shake all your hands at the national, you know, this year. And, you know, I hope one day I could settle this with Steve and be friends with him again, to be honest with you, because I don't like having hate towards anyone. I. I know it's hard because I'm not the one out the money. I know that's hard. Or it could be easy for me to say that because Steve, you know, he's the one who's out the money, but, you know, I would just like to see Steve face to face to say, hey, man, I'm sorry this happened, dude, but it really wasn't my fault, man. Well, let. Let's hope it happens, and let's hope that Steve gets his money, and then that will solve all the problems. So, you know, we're all holding out hope that that happens. But thank you again, Bruce, for coming on. You know, we do appreciate it. Yeah, thank you for having me. And I'm just glad you guys listened to my side of the story. And thank you very much. Willing to do that. Tell them. Willing to do that. Thank you. Thank you again. All right, guys, too. Bye. Bye, Bruce. All right, let's just. Let's just. You guys can hear me? I want to make sure. Yeah, I can hear you. Okay. Okay. I mean, Josh, can you hear him? Okay. All right, let's not. I don't want to debrief this story anymore. I think we heard from him. I can. Following the comments there's a lot of, a lot of opinions towards what happened and, you know, Bruce's side of the story. No, what's that? I said we don't know, right? We don't know this. The, you know, we don't. We don't. It's easy. It's easy to listen. We know. We don't know anything. We, we heard Steve and we heard. And we just heard Bruce. That's it. I'm not judging Bruce. I'm not judging Steve. I, I would hope they're both telling the truth, but you don't know. There's a missing factor here, Mr. Jorge. We don't know. We don't know what's happening with, with Mr. Jorge, but I would like to see Bruce do a little bit more. Listen, he said what? He's. There's attorneys involved. There's attorneys of all involved, which is kind of the answer that he gave. Yeah, I just want to see this. I just want to Steve. I want to see Steve get his money back. I want to see. And I want to see, you know, if, if I say if, because again, I don't know. I can't read anybody's mind. You know, we think we can. We'd like to think we're good judges of people based on what we hear and watching their body language and all this, but you just. Unless you're, you're not. We're not in anybody's head here. So. Do you, do you think, Jeremy, that Steve dropped off because of frustration or because he had a phone issue? Oh, I talked to Steve. He. His battery died. Okay. I'm glad you hear that. Yeah, Yeah, I, I, he dropped off. And I, I did ask him. I said, yeah, you dropped off. I said, apologies for this experience. Really didn't intend to put you through this when we started, but he said, yeah, my phone died anyways. I'm okay, thank you. But, yeah, he was, he was vibrating. You know, based on being face to face with. With Bruce after so long. I mean, I, I certainly didn't want. I, I just hope Steve's okay. And you know what? Listen, I'm human and I have empathy. I, I hope Bruce is okay, too. I, I hope he's okay, but that's attached to. I hope he's telling us the truth. I don't know if he has risen. I hope he is, and I hope he's okay if he's telling the truth, if he's not telling us the truth, and I don't really care, but if he's telling us the Truth. I hope he's okay. If I. I hope Steve is okay. I. I don't know that. I don't know that he's lying. I don't think Steve's being dishonest. But so. And there's also. Yeah. You know, Dave here says there's three sides to every story, right? The two sides and then. And then the actual. The truth. Yeah, but I mean, we just. We just don't know for. Josh, hold on one sec. Yeah, just one sec. I'm seeing, like JB hat says, Jeremy Bruce is now 500k. That's fine, but you know what I mean, he might be out. His reputation every. This chat has been very unforgiving. And it's not 500 grand, but it's. It's something else that has been. That has been attacked and hit. And if he, if he did nothing intentionally wrong, then he has a right to be upset as well. Simple as that. So I just hope he's. I just hope he's telling the truth. But I don't know if he is or isn't. I mean, the chat certainly does. JB Hats certainly knows the truth. JB Hats has seen all the evidence and knows the truth. So, I mean, listen, it's. Yes, he says someone says he didn't check the box. Yeah, he didn't check that. That was a. That was negligence on his part as a broker. I would say he didn't check the box. But does that mean that he scammed the guy? I mean, I don't know. Like, I'm just saying, mistakes, people do wrong. People do dumb things all the time. People make mistakes. People take shortcuts all the time in life. Just because you take a shortcut doesn't mean you broke the law or scammed somebody. That was a bad. That was a wrong. And if Bruce is telling us the truth, you better believe he wishes he would have opened that box. Doesn't mean that he. That he was lying to us. I'm not. But listen, I'm also not saying he's innocent. I don't know. Have you heard me once say that he's guilty or innocent? No, because I don't know. But a lot. But a lot of the chat knows. The chat knows. But that's fine. Some people in the chat know at least. But it's very easy to. It's very easy to throw stones when you. When you just feel like doing it, I guess. So it's. Yeah, there's lots of theories in the chat and it's lively, but we, you know, Anyway, it's. It's an unfortunate situation, and I just hope. Listen, I just hope Steve gets his money back. It's. It's devastating. It's absolutely devastating. So I'd really like to hear from Jorge. You know, that's. That's what it comes down to is. Is. Is Jorge Alvarez, I think he said was his name. And I mean, that. That certainly narrows it down, doesn't it? I mean, that's got to be one of the more common names, right? It's a very common Alvarez. I mean, I can think of a. Yeah, we got the Jorge and Alvarez. I mean, several baseball players I've heard with each of those names, anyway. Yeah. Okay, well, what's that, David? The thing that, for me, I wish I could ask Steve, is that is he shocked that Bruce hasn't been contacted by law enforcement? And Josh, like, do you have any thought on that as an attorney? Like, do you think that law enforcement. Is it because he's in Mexico or. Like, what. How could Bruce not be contacted by law enforcement in this situation? Bruce said he wasn't contacted by law enforcement. Yeah, that's. Would you be surprised if law enforcement was involved? That. Like, would you be shocked if Bruce was not contacted? I would be shocked if Bruce was not contacted by law enforcement, yes. Okay. But do you know, Josh, what steps Steve has taken and his attorneys have taken on this? Like, Steve said, He's in for 15 grand in legal fees so far. Do you know what. What steps he's taken? No, but I would be very surprised if someone is out half a million dollars and didn't call the FBI for wire for fraud. So I would. I could. I'm gonna. I'm going to assume, based on my experience, that the victim would call the FBI. That's my. That is what happened in every case that I've had with fraud. So it's. I could be wrong, but in my. Based on my educated guess, based on my personal experience, in 20 years, I would hope he would have called the FBI. All right. Okay, well, listen, that was certainly eventful. Had. No. Did not. Did not. Did not see the show going in that direction tonight. But hopefully you guys enjoyed it from an entertainment perspective. But let's keep in mind, and I know a lot of you guys don't care, but let's keep in mind there are two humans at odds here, and they both are. There. There's a disconnect here. There's a gap in all this. The gap might just be Jorge. Jorge might be the only criminal in all this. That Might be. That might. That might be. That might be the. Josh, is that an impossible situation? You. You look very skeptical. Is it impossible that Jorge is the only criminal? I think that is 100 accurate statement. But the chat seems to agree with. I agree with what the chat is saying about Jorge's identity. So. But you. But you don't know? I don't know. But again, in my 20 years of doing this, whenever there's a mystery third person that no one can find, there's a reason no one can find that third person. But do you think that him. Him coming on a show like this, which I'm sure his attorney does not like, is my guess. Does that say anything in your mind, Josh? Yes. Fraudsters usually will do this to perpetuate a fraud and use the line that he said, why would I come on a show if I had nothing to hide? Because it perpetuates the fraud. Like that's exactly why they would do it. This is all very text book. Every answer he gave was textbook. Does that it? Is there ever a case where textbook is not correct? No, that's why it's textbook. I've never had a case where some guy was charged with you. So you are 100% convinced, Josh, you are 100% convinced that Bruce was lying to us? You are certain? 99. Okay, it can't be 100 I'm 99. Based on his answers. 99. He said he would talk to law enforcement. When asked talk to them in, in Chicago, he gave an excuse as to why he can't. He stopped talking to Jorge right around the time that this happened. Also, Steve said this other one caught this, that he got a phone number from Jorge that misspelled the same words wrong. That Bruce misspelled the same words wrong. Again, that's textbook fraud. Using a Google voice number. Also. That's weird. But you know, again, that's it's, it's all textbook. Like this is all like happens to every fraud case I've ever seen. Finkel is Einhorn says Papa Funk. Jesse double says Jorge is Stan and he just bought a Jackie Robinson patch. Guys, I got a. That's a great comment. I gotta do that thing that happens four hours into a live stream to me. So unless you guys want. You guys want to continue chatting while I just take a 90 second break? Yeah, go for it. Okay. I'll be right back, you guys. What chat? What are we gonna talk about? Josh, what are you doing, buddy? What's new, man? Anything going on? I went to a card show today. That was a hipster card show. That would be your nightmare. It was all shiny and Pokemon. I went with my 8 year old and I like, is it like old Pokemon or like new Pokemon? I don't know about the new Pokemon. I don't know the difference. It was very shiny and they were all like anywhere from 500 to $5,000. I know, right? It could be. How much is worth like a billion dollars? Like, okay. I don't know. I get between a 1, a 10 cent and me there can my son, which thankfully he's happy with because he can go through the dime bins and be just as excited to pull out a Pikachu as he would finding $1,000 card. Which is kind of cool. That's awesome. That sounds cool. I didn't go to a card show today. I want to go. I want to go to a car. We're going to a card show next month. I can't wait. I know. We're hanging out at the National. I can't wait to walk around and look at short print leaf cards with you. Oh my God. I. I want a Kel. I know someone has got a Kel. I heard it's very expensive. That person that has one. It's very expensive. I know. I just gotta find one with a pinhole in the front and a one and call it a day. I heard that guy with the cow might sell. Trade one for the. For the new houser that. That his friends in love with. I need that card very badly. So I still. I need a fellow. Doesn't have those. Do you have anybody that. That has those kind of cards? Yeah, but they're not getting rid of them, you know, they're like locked up. I need a fellow, I need a cow, I need a feller. I need them all, actually, because I, you know, started over, so. And you need a page. I do need a page. That's all I need is, you know, maybe Bruce will hire me, I don't know. And then, you know, when he gets indicted. Would you. Would you sell a large part of your collection for that? Not anymore. Because the stuff I have now, I whittle down to like stuff that you really can't find or kind of rare. So like all the mostly common, like your 189 Frank Thomas Leaf cards. I would never give them 119. Soon to be 120 next week probably. I'll probably pick one up for like five bucks. It's the greatest card ever. What I missed. What I missed. I hate missing stuff on the show. It was just us, you know, talk about Pokemon, you would have hated it. David went to a card show, then we talked about 48 leaf and now we're talking about the National. I'm with, I'm with, I'm with Mike Petty. It's called Pokeman, right? It's Pokemon. And Chris. Chris C just got a 93 finest Ryan refractor, which is an awesome card. That's a sick card. Congratulations. When we were little, like when I was like 15 when that, when that came out, it was so hard to find then. And the Griffey were the two most expensive cards and the Ripken, those three were like the three most. And the Ryan still is more expensive than the Frank Thomas, which is great. Fresh print. Steve says. First time going to the National. Looking forward to running. Well, we. Steve came, he came to my. The book signing I did at Burbank for Pops and Comps in February. So I got to meet Fresh Princess Sports cars. But look forward. Did I meet him again there? Hey, did I meet him? I don't know. Did I meet you at, at Bourbon? Because I was there with Jeremy. With Petty. Let me know. Do you remember him? Do you remember meeting him there, Steve? Fresh Prince. Yes. Yeah. I am so sorry, Steve. I can't wait to meet you at the national again. Hit me on the side of the head and, and remind me, I had so much stuff going on that day. Yeah, you, you and Petty kept on going out to get food. Oh, good. He hasn't met me yet. Okay, good. The guys can eat. Okay, so you maybe did not. Did not communicate, but good. There you go. All right, guys, let's wrap this one up. This is. Wow, this is very eventful. That was crazy. Very eventful. I do. I, I was really glad to hear back from Steve though, that he dropped off because his battery died versus any sort of, you know, going through any stress and. Yeah, we'll see what happens. I said, I did say to Steve in the DMs that I wrote back, I did say, you know, I'm glad it was just a dead battery. Again, sorry about this, but hopefully it helps drive some sort of progress. Like that's truly my, my hope for having Bruce come on. So anyway, all right, guys, we're gonna, we're gonna wrap it up back tomorrow for the fanatics show. Thursday is the premiere with Adam Gray and then watch for a press release. Oh, today's Saturday. It's Sunday right now it's. Okay. Well, I'm going to be involved in a, in something going on at and during the national and there's a press release coming out on that on Monday, Monday morning, 9am Eastern. So watch for that. And once you, once you understand what that's all about, let anyone, you know who might want to respond, respond, help, help spread the news. That would be, that would be, that'd be fun and cool. Appreciate that. Will it be discussed on the Hangover? Possibly, yeah, because it's coming up before we record. So it's very well about it on the hangover coming out very soon. By the way, guys, the hangover this week we are, we are going to be recording on Monday at 2 o', clock, 11 o' clock Pacific if that works for, for you guys. You don't have to answer me right now. We can talk about that off the air because we are still recording here, but we're still, we're still live. Okay. Thank you guys for, thank you guys for joining us tonight. Jim says this was what news reporting used to be. Thanks for. Thank you Chris. I saw you came away but glad to see you back here. Paul Santos says Josh is like an umpire. Calls him like calls them like he sees them. Thank Yankees fan. Appreciate it. Time for Penny Hill. Appreciate everybody joining us. Yeah. So as we like to do here on June 13, 2026, this episode of Sports Cards Live is now over. Over. And with that, good night everybody. Thanks for tuning in and being a part of the Sports Cards Live community. Don't forget to like subscribe and most of all, keep collecting more great content to come. Sports Cards is a lifestyle.