UPDATE: PSA's Reopening Date Revealed

PSA has announced new details about when they will reopen value submissions. We'll tell you the new information next and then discuss how this might change your grading strategy. Hello, sports card investors and welcome to another episode of Cards on the Table from the Arena Club Studio, Inside Cards HQ Teapot. Carter. We got more grading news, more PSA news to talk about today. Seems like everybody's favorite topic in the hobby over these last couple of weeks. Yeah, it's a hack in views. It is a hack, yes. When we do videos about grading, people seem to care. Well, and that's because so many people grade cards. It's a universal experience with most people in the hobby, not everybody. There's some people out there who are anti grading, but most people interact with graded cards in some manner, grade them themselves or buy graded cards, whatever it may be, it's a big deal. And when you've got a company like PSA that's grading over 2 million cards per month, and then they say the backlogs become so big that we can, we're going to have to cut off most of those incoming cards for months and months at a time by no longer offering any of our value service levels anymore. That's big news. And that's been the biggest news in the sports card hobby certainly over the last couple of weeks. Well, today we have new information that's come out this week from PSA with more certainty about when PSA will actually reopen those value levels. So this is, this is good information to talk about. And this comes from the fact that PSA launched to their website a backlog Tracker. So on PSA's website they now have a page that shows how many cards they have in their backlog waiting to be processed, which right now is 14 million cards. And that number, by the way, jumped up by 4 million cards between the time that PSA announced their shutdown, which was exactly two weeks ago today, and between the time then they actually cut submissions off, which I think is about five days later. So yeah, they gave people five days to get submissions in if they still wanted to get submissions in. At the value level. Four million cards were submitted during that five day period, taking the backlog from 10 million cards up to 14 million cards. An incredible submission of card volume. Just to put that in perspective, the 4 million cards that PSA received in five days was about double what Beckett, BGS and SGC graded combined for the entire year of 2025. That's crazy. In an entire year. That's crazy. Beckett and CGC combined or SGC rather combined did less than what PSA got in five days. Crazy numbers, crazy numbers. But here's where we have the a little more certainty about what's going on on this backlog Tracker PSA also included the following information. Once the backlog gets under 5 million cards on this tracker, PSA will reopen their value service levels. So that's good clarity. That is information that we did not have before. So right now they're at 14 million card backlog. Once the backlog gets down to 5 million cards, they will reopen their value service levels and PSA estimates that will take them between five and six months. So that is, that is the up to the moment projection from PSA as to when they will reopen, which means that we can likely expect the value levels to return in November or December of this year. So people who are sitting out there right now on a pile of cards that they would have liked to have submitted a PSA, but maybe they don't want to pay the $80 fee to go up to the regular level or above. They, they got, they got the choice. Now, are we going with different grading companies? Are we going to BGs, are we going to CGC, or are we holding these for PSAs reopening now, they at least have certainty that five to six months, November, December, that's your timeline for how long you will be holding if you then want to submit to PSA when they reopen. So we've got some good information there now worth noting. PSA also announced that in fact today PSA announced that their new grading facility in Europe, which is in Frankfurt, Germany, is opening this summer. It will begin accepting submissions in July 15 from European bulk submitters. Here's why this is very significant. This number, this number astonished me. But in May, 30% of PSA's grading submissions globally were from outside the US. 30%. That's a big number. That's a lot bigger number than I thought it was going to be. A lot bigger number. So PSA putting a grading center in Europe online during the midst of this shutdown will actually be very, very helpful because all of the submissions from Europe which are now coming to the US will stop going to the US starting in July, August and or at least most of them will. And then that hopefully will allow the US operations to recover more quickly in terms of grading turnaround time. By the way, wouldn't this be a funny little hack? You want to start shipping your cards over to Germany to get graded? How about that? Yeah, maybe you take a little Trip to your homeland. Tpot go to your homeland. I wanted to go to Japan. I've been thinking about that. There you go. Well, that's probably a hack too. Send them over to Japan. I did also want to note that the other grading companies have, right now there's no signs that they're going to shut down. In fact, a source inside Beckett BGS Grading recently said that they have full confidence that they are ready for the increased grading volume that is now coming their way in terms, you know, with PSA's value levels being shut down. So Beckett believes they'll continue to operate. CGC as of right now, as far as I know, believes they're going to continue to operate. So the other grading companies are viable options. We got five to six months to wait for PSA Teapot. First of all, do you think PSA will actually be reopened their value levels in November, December? And does this new information change your grading strategy at all? I had so many people reaching out to me when that news broke, saying, what should I do? What should I do? Should I send my cards in now? Should I send them in? And I just said, not unless you don't want to get them back for at least a year. That was my advice. Okay, so they're going to reopen. They're saying they're going to reopen. They said they were going to. They expected it to be five to six months when they announced the initial closure before they got the additional 4 million cards. Yeah, I think they said, I think they said four to five months maybe. Okay, so they had 5 million extra from 10 to 5 million that they wanted to get, and then they got four more and now they're only adding a month. Yeah, this is just a case of like fool me once, fool me twice. They've never been able to hit stated turnaround times. Why should I expect that? This is actually going to open in five to six months and there's no penalty for them being wrong about it. So I think they're just kind of managing this dynamic. One thing that was really interesting to me was we have our PSA submission drop off here. They have another one out at Burbank in California. Jeff, my favorite cardboard from, from the Spitballing podcast and blabbing about slabbing. He did his submission online, he got his paperwork, he took the cards into the submission center at Burbank and they said, we can't take those. We have too many cards. You're going to have to figure out you're going to send them in a different Way we can't take them. That was Mission center, the submission center, like at Burbank said we can't take those. So they must have gotten like everybody there trying to rush in and dump these orders in. And he was like, well, what am I supposed to do? I like, I submitted it. They're in. So I think he's still trying to figure that out or he was going to mail him in or something. But I think when they open this back up, whenever it is, whether it's the end of this year or next year, there's just going to be this huge glut of people waiting to send 4 million more cards or more. Maybe 10 million more cards by then. Probably 10 million cards by then. Yeah. They might get 10 million cards when they reopen this. They might get 10 million cards in a day. Their website might crash. So I want to know how are they going to manage this when it reopens? And I heard, you know, we've seen like, Windows, we've seen people, Companies say, we only have so much. We have a quota. Are they going to prioritize group submitters? Are they going to prioritize people? Like, how are they going to manage that? That's the piece. I'm still waiting for them. And maybe they're sorting through that. They got to figure that out strategically. On Sports Card Clubhouse, I think it was Greg from Midlife Cards and Mike Junkwex here were discussing the fact that they think the best strategy for PSA going forward would be to have dynamic flex pricing throughout the day, maybe hourly, just as demand is coming in. So they. We've seen them pull all the levers. They've changed prices, they've increased prices, they've increased turnaround times. It does seem like a more logical thing. I go to the website and I submit exactly how many cards I have. And then they know PSA knows what their backlog is. It just adds that into the number before I ever have to mail them off. So now you could have a dynamic where you get up in the morning and you say it's $25 for bulk right now, and by noon it's 50. So you're gonna have to wait and play the game like it's a Dutch auction or something like that. Now we're gonna have grading pricing tracker tools. Is that better than shutdown? You can have an app on your phone that's like. You get an alert. It's like, oh, grading price just dropped by $3. There you go. Can you buy futures on grading price? Can I Take a position. Grading prices hit $22. It's not a ridiculous cycle. It is a ridiculous cycle. It's not a ridiculous cycle. It is beyond a ridiculous cycle. Oh, y. Is the most ridiculous. Having grading shut down is a much better idea. Yeah. Okay, wait, I'm not. I'm not done yet. Regular service levels now are getting flooded. They're getting flooded? Yes, they are. Yes. So now that's going to be shut down at some point and they're going to have a bigger backlog. Last thing I will say is the European thing we've said since they announced they were going to Frankfurt, that was a big deal. I didn't know 30% came in from Europe, but that was a big deal. And so the bigger thing there is not just grading. That is such a sign of the growth of the hobby. Globally, internationally. World Cup. Today, everything's kicking off. Cricket cards are popping off. The world is getting notice of cards. They're going up a lot. Yeah, they're finally going up. Are they going up? They are. People have been telling me for four years, cricket cards are going up. Six people have been telling us for years, and they are going up. So the last thing we need here. The next thing we need is a separate facility for tcg. Split it up, manage the backlog separately. Let us. Sports cars. I agree with that. Get our stuff in. I agree with that. And let the people who want to multiply a card by 100x when it gets a PSA 10 in a TCG card figure that piece out on their own. All right. Teapot ended on a high note. Yes. This dynamic pricing stuff, I don't know, but teapot ended on a high note. He'll come around. Dynamic pricing. Carter, what's your take on all this, man? I see the first thing that comes to mind is that regular service level. I really think that's going to shut down. Yesterday, I saw a customer submit 200 cards at $80 here in the store. Yeah. And the PSA staff member said there have been consistent submission volumes at the $80. There are people submitting, and right now the card values justify it. Right. So it's either going to get shut down or that price is going to get raised. But right now I think that turnaround time is listed at like 40 to 50 days. No shot like that's just hard to believe today. I just think with the submission volume and stuff like that, I think I'm. I'm. I feel like it's realistic for them probably to open back up. I think in the like 6 to 8 month range. But I'm, I'm kind of the same fear and sense like how many people are going to have cards stashed away to submit now when I think back to the last shutdown, I think a lot of us were expecting that and that kind of didn't happen or PSA actually scaled up to take that in. So that's like, the critical part is like what is PSA going to do between now and six to eight months from now to actually scale, to take in that initial like blunt of volume in a sense. So if they can do that and they can get more graders, they can expand facilities quickly, then it doesn't matter hopefully how many cards they get. Just like they did back in 21, 22, they can take it in and they're going to roll from there. If they struggle with that and they can't get speed, then that's where the, like the closure is going to prolong even further and maybe get up to a year because they haven't scaled and they've struggled with the staffing, the facility build out. So that's going to be the key factor. I think when we, you know, six months from now when we're talking about this again, the big difference between this time when they shut down and last time when they shut down is last time when they reopened, the hobby had cooled off actually significantly. So probably the reason why they didn't get this huge glut of orders the day they reopened was because the hobby was kind of on a downward cycle at that point. The world had reopened, Covid was over, cards were falling in value. We don't know what the world's going to look like six months from now. We don't know how hot or not hot the hobby is going to be, but if current indications are anything but, the hobby is going to continue to be hot as ever in six months. So I do worry the day the value service goes back online that 10 million packages arriving at their office the following day, that's not impossible. I mean that could very well be the case. And Carter, you made a good point. I was shocked the second that PSA announced this news. My first thought was, what does this mean for our sub center inside, inside Cards hq? And I said, man, that place is going to be crickets for the next six months. And I was like, is PSA even going to keep it open? Are they going to keep their subcenter open? And they are. And they said, oh yeah, we'll keep it open. And they said, we Expect submission volume to slow down significantly, and that's okay. We'll just ride it out and keep the submission center open and, you know, everything will be fine. And yet every time I walk in the store and I walk up in the front area of the store, there's people at the psa. There's always a line, and I'm surprised. I'm, like, looking and I'm like, what are these people doing now? Because they're no longer submitting 25 cards to grade or, you know, now. Now it's every 80 plus grading fee every time. But it hasn't. I mean, I'm sure it's probably. I imagine it's slowed down holistically some, but I don't think it has slowed down probably to the degree that PSA expected or that we expected. Yeah, I think probably a lot of those $80 submissions are continuing to hit. And so, yeah, like you guys, I'm a little bit skeptical about this November, December reopening date. I think it's. I think it's probably going to be 20, 27. We'll see. Yeah. And I mean, if you're. If you're one of the ones that sent in 4 million cards at the last minute, those are the last of the ones. Yeah, they're gonna. They're gonna. You're gonna get this back a long time for quite a while. Yeah. So hopefully those players are still playing by the time you get your card back. Yeah. Okay. I do want to talk about World cup, because we are underway. I got to talk about some of these crazy gold logo man sales, which are insane. We got to talk about this. But let's rip a couple of arena club slab packs. First teapot. You had your eye on a particular slab pack today. The thing I love is you get to see exactly what you're chasing in the slab pack. So you obviously have the grails. I saw this really sick LeBron downtown that I thought if I hit that, I knew of somebody at least I could flip it to. I was gonna say you don't want that for your PC, but yes, you could. They got the stained glass gold, which is part of our origin story together. And I've always wanted one of those. They have it in a 10. They got some really good chases, including the Kobe. This is the Kobe boss. That's like pure nostalgia for me. Z force from the 90s. And then as I was scrolling down, they had a Grant Hill. That's jam. And as I scroll down, where was it? They had a Ben Wallace rookie card in here. Oh, somebody might have already snagged it, because I don't see it now. Unless I'm missing it. So that one might be. Oh, here it is. They just moved it. Just moved. There's a Ben Wallace PSA 10. He only has this, like, one Z Force rookie card. So. It's in the Bullets jersey. Old school Bullets. So I saw a bunch of things in there. We spent way too much time talking about Ben Wallace. Now you're. You're. You're. You're just too much time about Ben Wallace. Catch. Let's rip a pack. The greatest defensive center of all time. Let's rip a pack. What do you get? Oh, that's a tie dye. Is that a real tie dye? Is that a 25? That's actually a really nice card. Okay, so what is the value? What is the value? Because they make you the instant offer, baby. Two weeks in a row. A thousand dollars. This was the $500 emerald pack. Teapot just doubled his money. $500 emerald slab pack. I'm in the lead. Thousand dollar card. Okay. All right, so I opened baseball. Let's see what I got. Baseball, emerald, $500 pack. Oh, that's sweet. Little vintage action. I got the Mick. I got the Mick. Okay, Not. That's. That's a nice one. Good eye appeal on that card. Let's see what mine is worth here. Okay. $500. Okay, so that was a $500 slab pack. I got a $500 card. Carter, you opened two ruby slab packs. So these are $250 each. So we're going to see if Carter's two $250 slab packs produce more value than a singular 500 slab pack. So let's see what we got here. I rip soccer for the World Cup. There we go. That's classic. The Mbappe 10. What? That's been rising. Yep, 250. Okay, so that's exactly the cost of the slab pack. All right, what's the second one you got? Is that Euro? A euro to 10. Yeah. Or PSA 10, rather. Okay, what's that worth? Oh, $200. Okay, so TPAC clearly won. He had the best ROI this week at Arena Club. Here's the interesting thing. Anybody out there watching? If you have not yet ripped an Arena Club slap pack promo code, SCI gets you 20% off. And 20% off would have made you a winner. I think you would have broken even, Carter. I would have been a winner. Teapot was a huge winner. Even if you pay full market value for the price of those Slab packs. Download the Arena Club app or go to arenaclub.com then use promo code SC for your first slab pack rip. You're going to save 20% and you see the cards you can pull. Good stuff. All right, let's get into this next story. This really caught my eye. These Topps gold logo men cards. You know that Topps introduced this a couple years ago where the MVP winners and all the major sports and you know, rookie of the year winners, different players, they have the, you know, the logo man or the NFL shield in gold that they wear during games the following year after they've won the award. Topps has taken those, put those into cards. We've now seen several of these hit the market over the last couple of years. What astounds me is the prices that these continue to get. And so we just saw Shay Gilgeous Alexander's gold logo man auto from his MVP. You know, it's a one of one, it just sold for $1.06 million. So a little bit over a million dollars that sold. This is. And here's what surprises me. This is now Shay Gilguest Alexander's most expensive public sale of all time. Yeah. And his most expensive rookie, which was his 2018 National Treasures Logoman RPA one of one sold for $228,000. Now that sale was before. Now obviously that sale was a while ago, but still this thing 4x what his most expensive rookie card had ever sold for. How about Josh Allen? Josh Allen had the MVP winner gold shield autograph one of one that sold last month for $1.35 million. Josh Allen's most expensive card sale of all time prior to that was his 2018 National Treasures RPA number to 10 that had sold for $288,000. So once again, the gold logo manner, in this case gold NFL shield multiples of what their most expensive rookie card was of all time, Shohei Ohtani. His top two sales of all time were his gold logo man MVP cards. Top two sales of all time for Shohei Ohtani as of now at least. Does this surprise you Teapot? And do you think this is justified? Is this where the market's going? The Josh Allen one did really shocked me. That was just such a huge sale. And we know basketball's got like a different market in the high end space of people who will open up their checkbooks in a big way. So the Shay, it didn't surprise me. What did surprise me earlier this year is that his optic rated rookie one of ones, both the gold vinyl one of one and the black sold about two months apart. The black sold for $90,000. Is this on card optic auto. It's not a relic, but it's this black auto. And the gold vinyl did 150,000. So those were surprisingly low for me. Especially when we saw that green kaboom do like 444,000. That was not a rookie card. There's a shift happening. I've talked about how you know, rookie cards are really important and historically, you know, they have a lot of, a lot of importance. Victor, the rookie card specialist has built an entire channel and written a book around the importance of the rookie card and what is a true rookie card versus not. But there's a shift happening. There is a shift happening more toward wanting that really important moment like definitively captured. They're doing the thing with the NBA Finals hoops, you know, the netting on there and they're going to make that into a card tops. Now cards that have these game dated moments are absolutely blowing up. This doesn't surprise me in that regard. I think there's a shift, there's, it's a very, very limited supply. So it's instant scarcity. I did a video maybe a year ago, maybe a little more where I made a chart of the tiers T I E R S of relics and the different types of things. Everything from the logo man, which has typically historically been the big grail all the way down to the single color napkin that's not actually from anything and kind of rated all of these. This has now supplanted the logoman itself as the S plus plus tier of those things. You can only chase them. I'm kicking myself and so bummed because at the national last year you saw the Tarik Skubal patch, a guy had the redemption. Yes. For the Cy Young award winner. It was one of the four of four. So it's just the patch and I think you said he was asking for like 7 or 8,000 or something was like what he was shopping it around at. And I was like man, that's not where I play. That's not the space I play in with my PC. But it was such an important card I thought I could, I could push a whole bunch of stuff in and consolidate into this. And I didn't decided not to. And then Tyler Santiago bought it and now he's got it. And those things, all of them, they're just like becoming like stratospheric. They're just going all to the moon. So none of this really surprises me that much. This is kind of the new, the new flawless, the new exquisite on steroids with a very limited supply. And it's probably going to be limited in that regard to people who can spend a million bucks. I think I was about a million off on that 1.015 million. You were close. You were the under bidder. Well, you know, little, little down the list of bidders. Carter, does this surprise you? It doesn't. It doesn't in a way. Like I think, I actually think these cards are like showing the power of fanatics and the power of fanatics, you know, in like how they can get these game use patches and how they can get involved with the leagues at a bigger level and then also their marketing power, right. Like they have marketed these cards so effectively in these sets, right. And I think, I think a big deal and a part of this too is that they put these cards in mainstream sets, right. Like I agree with you that this is kind of like the new S tier and the new flawless, right. My concern is, is that you know, these types of cards not being in those highest end sets and being those biggest of the biggest chases, you know, like they should be in those sets, they should be in a transcendent set, they should be in a definitive set. But no, they're in Topps Chrome, right. And so, but it's like it's positive because now more general people, the general public has more access to it and more upside. I mean you know everyone's seen the story on who hit the Josh Allen, right. And that, that cool story for the grandkids that's going to have that money later on and but I'm like, because it's so mainstream, that's what's driving the market I think. And fanatics, marketing, they've said this when they, when they, when they got into the space, we're going to market the space and they've tied marketing and they've tired exciting, cool one of one type experiences with player type patches. And so I'm not surprised in that sense. I'm just like okay, how do we continue to make high end sets desirable where these types of cards are coming out of those high end sets at the same time, right. Like I kind of want both. How do you do both? Because right now I think it's a little like this is showing me that we're going to continue to get them in the standard sets and that's cool and all but I think there's some games in the high end sets where like we need some big cards, and sometimes they're lacking. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, is a bit of a shift teapot, as you said. It's interesting, but it's a shift that's not unknown to the hobby. I mean, if you go look at a lot of the biggest basketball players from the 80s, 90s and 2000s, their biggest cards are not their rookie cards. Their biggest cards are their late 90s inserts, their PMGs. If they had a PMG dwarfs every other car they've ever had, you know, so I, you know, it's. It's. It's happened before. It's like unlocking a new tier of value for different stuff. This isn't. It's not devaluing the rookie card, if anything. What's devaluing the rookie card is that Victor weMinyama has over 4,000 rookie cards. Like, that's. That's the bigger, you know, challenge. Yeah. Interesting. All right, I want to. Speaking of fanatics, let's talk about this antitrust case. So fanatics got a big win in court. We've had all these, you know, all these lawsuits have been going on, right? Panini vs Fanatics and other people have been suing both companies for, you know, for various things. This was a case where somebody had sued fanatics claiming. Claiming that it was a. Essentially a monopoly when they had gotten the licenses for mlb, NFL, NBA. And they sued, saying this is possible antitrust type stuff here. The lawsuit was originally dismissed in March and the plaintiff amended the lawsuit, but judge just ruled on the amendment saying that they did not adequately argue that they had suffered because the licenses from the NFL and NBA hadn't even taken effect yet. When the lawsuit was filed, they dismissed the case with prejudice. That means that this particular plaintiff is unable to sue fanatics for this reason. Again. So it's a legal victory for fanatics. It set some precedents here for fanatics to be able to defend itself potentially against future lawsuits. That doesn't mean there won't be future lawsuits. And of course, the thing with Panini is still brewing as well. Tpot, is this something that we should. Is this a big deal for the hobby? Does this kind of cement, you know, fnatic spot here, or is this just. Just kind of another step in what is this legal battle that has gone on behind the scenes now between some of these companies? I'm not a lawyer. I do not like law. It's messy. I had some people who thought I should have gotten into law, and I was like, I would never touch this with 10 foot pole. Normally the comments on our videos when we do these every week are like 95% on the main topic. For those who stuck around to this one, they probably will speak volumes in the comments about this, more loudly than anything I have to say, because this has been a hot button topic. We've heard this term applied to both PSA and fanatics over the last few years. The outcome on this particular one, based on what they're saying without the licenses having taken over, seemed a little bit premature, a little preemptive. And so that doesn't surprise me in that regard. I don't think this is going to go away. I mean, between the Congressman Patrick Ryan or whatever filing a suit against PSA and now this, there's a lot of consolidation of power and of position happening. And so these companies are probably going to have to continue to tow a fine line and stay within those trust antitrust boundaries and try to try to manage that. I don't have too much more to say about it. The money's gotten so big that now there's targets on all the big players in the space and people, you know, that means more lawsuits and more scrutiny and all that kind of stuff. What was your take on this? Yeah, I mean, that's exactly my take. As long as the business continues to get bigger and bigger and bigger, this is going to become a bigger and bigger topic and there's going to be bigger and bigger cases. This seems like a small win for fanatics today. I'm not surprised at the outcome. I think we're going to see more outcomes like this. But. But it's going to continue to be a major topic for the years ahead. Yeah, Panini's going to keep digging their heels in and then maybe two years from now a judge says like, oh, fnatics, you have to players associations, you have to allow somebody else to do this and they're going to be like, all right, wild card, you're up. They're not going to let Panini back in the game at all. Yeah, I agree. It's going to be interesting to watch how that proceeds. On a little bit of a lighter note, let's break some news for the audience. You want to break some news for the audience here? The World cup starts today. Wow. The World cup starts today. All right. And I would wager there's a lot of people watching this probably don't even realize that because it seems like all the headlines have been NBA Finals and you get a little bit of the NHL Stanley cup, which has, by the way, Also been a great series between Vegas and Carolina. That's been an awesome series. So you got two incredible series. The NBA Finals are getting the biggest ratings forever. I feel like the World cup has kind of gotten swept under the rug a little bit by all this other excitement. But it starts today, and those out there who are big soccer collectors, they're not surprised by this. They've seen the price of a lot of their soccer cards going consistently up for the last six months. But here we are, and the moment has arrived. The event is here. Who do you guys have your eye on? Are there any cards that you have stowed away or are going to be stowing away because you think there may be good investments or good cards to hold through this tournament? Carter, I'm going to start with you. I'm a big Mbappe guy and I think France, four years ago, France lost some penalty kicks, and I think they've reloaded in a big way and I think they got a big chance this go around to really go far. So Mbappe is just the easy one for me. I also like that he hasn't really been that good at Real Madrid this season in La Liga. So I think that kind of flips when it gets to international, and I think there's a lot of upside there. Still, a lot of focus has been on Lamine Yamal in a big way, and he's kind of hurt, you know, so he's probably going to miss the first match, but we'll see how he kind of turns it around in a sense when he gets back. I am hoping to see Yamal make a push. I scored that deal from the card you had mispriced at front row and still have that at home. So, I mean, I think he's got incredible talent. I hit that sick Messi last week in our Arena Club Slab pack, and that was a really big hit. So now and long term, I'm really bullish on that card. Don't forget about Dembele, too. That guy is a scoring machine for France, who has leveled up significantly since the last World Cup. So, yeah, overall I think France has got a great chance. Spain, they're obviously going to be in the mix. England's probably going to do England and not, you know, go deep, but maybe for the Brits, they'll have finally have a chance. Not too optimistic about Team USA this time around, but World cup, while soccer is not my favorite sport, World cup may be my favorite overall sporting event. You only get it. I get it every four years and it's just electric. I'm still trying to decide whether or not I'm going to pony up and try to go to one of the games, one of the matches or not. We'll see. Okay, well, you know, in my notes here from our producer say that the U.S. men's National Team, that there's not a lot of optimism or excitement around them right now. I'll just tell you this. I bought about three years ago. I bought a Christian Pulisic Gold Select Rookie on Golden that was going for what I thought was silly cheap. I think I. This was an out of 10, 2016 Pulisic rookie. It was. I think we got it for like, 700 bucks on golden. And I've had it in my little ebay vault this whole time. And I was like, let me. I was like, I wonder what the last sale on this card was. The last sale on it was $2,600 several. Like, several months ago. And I was like, I'm gonna pop it up for $4,500 on eBay, fixed price and. Or make, you know, get an offer, see what happens. 24 hours, boom. Someone hit it. Buy now. 4,500 bucks. Sold. I'm like, not bad. All right, people all time, all time high on that card by far. Yeah, people, there's still some people out there excited about the US Men's National Team and. And willing to, you know, take chances on their cards right now. I saw the police a kaboom out here. Was that the one I sold you, like, four years ago or totally different? It was the same one. I didn't know if you had, like, held that one. No, no, no, no. I traded. I traded. I had my. I had the Palisig Boom and I had the gold kaboom, too. I traded those ones, too, too early because those ones have ticked up recently as well. I traded. I got out of those, like, a year plus ago. Shouldn't have, should have, should have, should have held those. But I did hold this Palis. I actually held a lot of soccer cards. They're all up. I got. I got about 30 soccer cards currently up for auction at this very moment on both ebay and fanatics collect all US Men's national team cards. So if you're bidding. If you're bidding on a West McKinney or on eBay right now, you might be bidding on my card. They're all out there. So we're going to see how they all do over the next week here. Hopefully, the US Wins their first game, which is by the way tomorrow against Paraguay. Hopefully they win that, because I think all my auctions end Sunday, so I need them to come out there. I need McKenney to score goal. You got to win tomorrow, and I will do well on Sunday. All right, guys, thanks for watching. Don't forget to get one of those Arena Club slab packs. Download the Arena Club app or go to arena club.com and then it's promo code SCI for 20% off your first rip. 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