What Would YOU Do With the Cooper Flagg Logoman? | The Biggest Card Pull of the Year

It's been an interesting week for the hobby. I mean, frickin' Cooper flag, Logo Man, Patch Auto being pulled on a break. If you were the one to have pulled this card, and your options are taking the Mavericks bounty of 32 years of tickets, whatever, Golden's a million plus front plus the auction, or Alt Steel that they announced last night. Surely, what I think is going to be the biggest number, and I just want the most fun and sizzle out of it, is golden. He's going to play it up. He's going to drive a number that no one else can, and that's why he's golden. The real answer is you don't sell it. The real answer is how do you make continual money on it forever? You put it in an RV, you put a camera on it, you run a live stream, and then you never sell it, and it makes a million a year and you still own it. Okay, I have two counters to that. Okay. One. I'm Ryan Alford. And I'm Bella Schaefer. And this is Collector Nation. We are curating all of the content in the hobby just for you all in one place. All the videos, all the podcasts, all the reels, all those drops you want right here, right now. What's up, guys? Welcome to Collector Nation. Ryan and Bella today. It's just R&B. We're just R&B. Yeah, we are. Always. I guess that's, I don't know if that was R&B or not. So, I feel that it's not. R&B music here. I don't know. What comes to your mind when you hear R&B music? Not that. Luther Vandross? Not you being the one singing it. I know. So not R&B. But it's been an interesting week for the hobby. I mean, freaking Cooper Flag, Logo Man, Patch Auto being pulled on a break. You probably couldn't ask for a more exciting and captivating break, especially for a little breaker in Rhode Island. I know. And you know what I like and I hate about this story as it relates to the whole hobby? Is I'm falling victim to what I don't like, which is, you know, this product released. We're recording this a couple days before it airs. It actually hasn't been out a week. It released last Thursday. And I feel like it's been out for a month. Yep, I'd agree. Because two weeks ago, we were at the National. Yep. And that feels like a year ago already. Uh-huh. And so it's like, I'm like, man, you know, like I felt like it had been a month of people ripping this box. And it was actually just like four or five days until the Cooper got hit. Because I was writing the story we'll talk about. And... I caught myself. I'm like, because when I read the story, it had only been out four days. Like, this is what the hobby does to you. It has so many releases and you know, you're like, oh, it's been out forever. Six days. Yeah, I mean, it's insanity. And the insanity that it's brought to the mainstream news, not even just hobby news, but just mainstream news. I literally had my mom calling me up being like, what is this? And I'm like, I couldn't even tell you because the bounties that they got going on on this product and on this card is insane. I know. And like... I don't know. I'm sure for mainstream people that have nothing to do with it, they go, oh, you know. And I kind of made the analogy with the article. The golden ticket is found already. And the reality is there's still some ridiculous cards in the set. So that's not justice. But it does sort of leave this... oh, it got found, even though it shouldn't, even for me, I'm like, why am I thinking this way? Because even a year ago, I got like a $500 card, and there's still probably... a thousand, 500, I don't know how many, but a lot, uh, in these boxes that hasn't been found. I'd be thrilled. So it's like, it becomes when you have these things meet where a rare card, a cool card and a rookie that happens to be this good. And you know, I, I, I kind of, in one way, started to frame it like, well, how does tops outdo themselves? And it's true. Um, But they don't get to control what years get the big rookies, you know, and like this year with football. Yep. And which we'll talk about soon. But it's like, I don't know. It's all fascinating. And I think it's all starting to paint the picture for why the hobby is growing and it's exciting. And it's because it's actually like five things wrapped into one. And it's all entertaining on some level. Yeah, I do think it's interesting that, you know, like obviously going into the product, everyone knows it's a one of one. And the chance that you get it is probably less than getting struck by lightning. And the fact that the chance of getting that excites people enough that when it gets pulled, the price of the box is certainly going to go down over the next couple of days just because now people are like, ah, shit. The one card I wanted that I could probably get has been pulled, you know? But it's like, that's just not even... it's not even in the question. Yeah, exactly. And I'm looking that up because I actually want to know. Because these boxes literally, like the day they came out, you know, megaboxes were like 80, 90. Value boxes were like 40, $50. So they were on the high end anyway. And immediately they were 90 for a value, 180 for a megabox. And I told people this was, I thought this would happen because what happened when Topps Karma originally came out, the first, not the update. Yeah. It was first NBA came out and it was already more expensive than most stuff right from the get. And I would go in every, I'd go in Walmart, whatever. It was like, it sat on the shelves because it was like 90 a mega, like when most mega boxes to date had been 45 to 60. Mm-hmm. Topps Chrome, they set the standard right out. They go, all right, Blasters are 45, the Mega is 90. And for the first couple of months, it was on the shelf every time it went in. And then people started opening it and they started, Cooper Flagg was playing because it was beginning of the season. And then everybody started to realize how transcendent a player he was going to be and how good the rookie class was. And then it disappeared. Yep. And it shot up to $200 a megabox. And this market actually started where the other one ended. Yeah. Because everybody, the secret was out. Everybody that was, you know, the scalpers, whatever you want to call them, people that collect, they were going to get their hands on it early and often. And so it drove the price to where the old product took three months to get to. And now you're actually seeing the reverse. Because now it's coming down. Yeah. Old products started, same price, same value, didn't get, didn't change really that first month or two. And it's the exact opposite because the demand curve's changed. The knowledge has changed. The rookie class is established. And now the Cooper's been pulled. A couple others have been con. I think that pulled, uh, I think a little bit of the maybe unnatural chase, like people that might normally dabble a little that bought a couple extra boxes. Yeah. Because it didn't take much. So people don't realize about the hobby. It's not as big a universe as you think. No. And so if just 1% of the population jumps back, jumps into something they don't normally do, whoa, whoa. It eats up availability quick. Yeah, for sure. So, anyway. I mean, you can talk to the sensationalism, if that's even a word. It is a word. Yeah. Sensationalism of the hobby now and of certain players. Like, I mean, we can talk about kind of the auction houses. Like, yeah. And before we talk about this product, we're going to rip it. So I'm just going to go. Okay. You start ripping it. But just like the sensationalism of all of the auction houses talking about it constantly. And like, I mean, some of these deals are literally insane. I mean, the Mavs starting at, you know, 32 years of courtside seats. And the fact that that is probably the worst option you could get out of all of them is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So I kind of want to pose the question. And that was only good if I don't maybe it included plane tickets. But if you don't live in Dallas. Well, there was like a list of like 10 things. It was like a signed jersey, like all these things. But look, oh, one one pack is like lower than the others. And didn't you say that if the if it was uncovered or did you open the bottom? Never mind. I opened the bottom. Started from the bottom, now we're here. And they're all upside. I would almost bet that there's no auto in here. Okay. There's not necessarily a guaranteed one, but we'll see. But anyway, keep going. Keep going. I like where your head's at. So if you were the one to have pulled this card, and your options are... Taking the Mavericks bounty of 32 games plus the long list, or 32 years of tickets, whatever. Golden's a million plus front plus the auction pristines. You get a hundred percent of whatever it sells for or all steel that they announced last night, which is they're starting an auction for the bounty. And if you choose to go with them, it becomes real, but you have a tangible number because all the bids that are currently being placed are true bids. Yeah. So, so, Do I get to share the idea I shared with you this morning or do I need to pick one of those? Pick one of those, then you can share the idea. I think differently, but I'll say this. Dallas is owned by Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban is a very connected person. I'd want to know if that got me bigger than the deal itself with Mark. Having Mark on your side, if you're a business person and need to get in certain doors, it might not be about a million. I mean, I know it's life changing money for most people. It would not change my life. I'm not a billionaire, but I've been in business for a long time and I've done okay. And... So a million dollars either direction on that isn't as important as relationships and bigger plays. So I'd want to talk to Mark to know, are we buddies? Are you hanging out with me at every game? Because that brings way more than a couple of, like, the connections, the relationships. And then second, if it's purely about the cash— I know Jared would do something crazy, and I just needed the cash, the most cash that I can get. Jared was going to pump it up. He's a great marketer. I'd work with him. I'm giving you every scenario. I'm not giving you any. Because it's complicated. It is. But then, if it's purely... What I think is going to be the biggest number, and I just want the most fun and sizzle out of it, Golden is going to play it up. And he's going to drive a number that no one else can, and that's why he's Golden. And he's been doing it forever, and he's the OG. And it is what it is, and I love him. So if I wanted the show, it's going to him. If I want the business, I'm going to Mark. And if I just want as much cash and to have a blast doing it with somebody I like, it'd be Jared. So there you go. And, you know, you start going down the business route, and I think that was the most you answer you possibly could have given ever. At least I helped people understand. Yes, and I think you're probably on an island of very few people that would take that offer. Yeah. But I see what you're saying. And especially like, you know, in the position you are in, like having a podcast, having a card shop, like things like that, you know, that would be a good publicity. The real answer is you don't sell it. The real answer is how do you make continual money on it forever? You put it in an RV, you put a camera on it, and you run a live stream, and you sponsor it, and you drive it all over the country, and people pay for it to show up, or you have sponsors. And then you never sell it, and it makes a million dollars. It makes a million a year, and you still own it. Okay, I have two counters to that. Okay. One. What if he gets hurt? It's like, well, okay. He gets hurt, whatever, something happens. That's point one. Point two, I feel like that's like telling, you know how like when you win the lottery, you're not supposed to tell anybody you win the lottery because like. Yeah, I wouldn't be on the RV. I don't have to tell anybody that I won. Well, no, but what if somebody steals the RV or steals the car? It's called insurance. That thing would be insurance for $20 million. Okay. And anybody would do it because they'd know it's worth it. It's more liquid than what most insurers insure cars that might secretly be clunkers. You know, your, you know, your Audi might be one, you know, gasket away from it. It's not, by the way, it's very nice. You never know. But you never know. And it gets insured. You think they'll insure a liquid, you know, hell yeah, they would. All right. They probably do it for free for the publicity. Yeah. Fair enough. I'll give you that one. It's not getting stolen. I'm not going anywhere. It could. That'd be the best thing to happen. 20 mil plus interest. Whatever it is. You can't tell them your secret. No, I'm just saying, man. Call me if you want advice on what to do with it. That's what they need. Hopefully they got a good advisor. They probably had a freaking lawyer on speed. And I was also thinking about this and watching the breaking video. When I first watched it, I was like, I feel like they're not that excited. Like I feel like if I opened that card, I would have- It almost looks like they didn't know what they got. No, I think they knew exactly what they got. I just think they were in shock a little bit. I think it was a mix of like shell shock, but also like a, oh fuck. Like- What does this mean? No, no, no, we just, we have to go give this to somebody. You gotta give it away to whoever got it. And some guy named Mark Jackson, I think, or I don't know, his name was on the breaker thing. I saw it. I don't know if somebody, you know, changed that or something. It's like, it's kind of like a mix. Jason Williams was his name. It was the name on the sheet. Oh. It had everybody's name on who got it. And I don't know if they changed that or that was a joke. I don't know. But anyway. But I just think it's like funny, like, you know, like, I'm sure a part of them kind of died inside. Yeah. But also, you know, they're getting, we're talking about it. I'd be pumped because I'd make t-shirts. Oh, my God. They're probably getting hit by every media outlet. They may not want to. Yeah. Um. So, hey, thank you. And I'm opening cards, so I've got to keep talking while I'm doing it. If I get anything crazy, oh, that's cool. Speaking of live selling, we have an exciting announcement. And if you follow us on social media, you may have seen. But our card shop collector station is doing our very first debut break slash live selling. On Sunday, August 16th from 6 to 8 p.m. approximately. Yes. I'm super excited. I'm going to be on there. eBay Live. I don't know if you said that. I did not, so thank you. eBay Live. Super excited. I hope to see you all there. It's going to be our boy Jason and yours truly. There might be some cameos. I don't know. We'll just see. Well, I think for the sake of your home life. You should go have dinner. I might bring the boys and everything with me. They can pop in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll see. See how confident I am. I've got it all figured out. You know, I think it's going to be wonderful and beautiful and messy and chaotic, and I think that's what makes it all part of the fun. Yes, exactly. And I am nervous, truthfully, but I'm like, you know, the amount of people that are doing it is a lot. And if they can figure it out, I have faith that I can figure it out. But it would be really sad if I put all this work into it and nobody joins. So if you're listening to this before Sunday, August 16th, please join. I would be eternally grateful. And you'll probably get a shout out from me. Yes, exactly. Live selling. Yep. I mean, everybody's doing it, so we got to get in. And here's the thing, we're going to lean into the fact that we're doing it at a full card shop. So obviously we're not going to make it like we're going to have a set structure, we'll have certain things lined up. But the great thing is we got a pack bar with packs of anything, so we can rip and ship anything. Yep. We got cases of stuff, so we're not going to make it, you know, unorganized. We'll have it organized. We're going to lean into the fact that it's a full store and we're in it because a lot of these guys, some of these guys are in full stores or I see, you know, the Dave Adams guy, but he's in the booth. He's kind of in. He's in. I call it the whatnot prison, you know, like he's in his booth. He's not leaving that thing. And of course not, but he might not have three other people that can run around, show stuff, you know, we're going to lean into experimentation. Yep. I think it'll be fun. And kind of on the experimentation. A lot of people, when I posted that we're going to be doing this, they were like, why not? What not? Like, why are you choosing eBay Live? You know, I think it's kind of exciting that eBay Live's starting and is kind of like the young guns in the chase. And I am excited to kind of grow with them. And I know it's probably going to be more self-explanatory and whatnot. But I think that that kind of makes it even more fun is kind of being part of that experience and being part of eBay's live selling endeavors. Yeah. We've got a good relationship with eBay and, you know, we're a free agent right now, but we've got relationships with eBay, people we've talked to, you know, they, they opened up the platform. I was going to do this last year. So we want to get on there and, you know, do what we intended to do, give it a role. But, you know, we've got, a live selling functionality within the collector station app. So we'll see how it goes. We might, you know, Hey, we might be on multi-channel, you know, like we, we gotta get standard. It's not that we're going to start something and move. We're going to, we'll keep, but we might do one night here, one night there. We might try a few different things while, while keeping a schedule. So people know to expect us on certain channels, certain times. But, um, you know, I think, We'll see how it goes. Yeah. I am super excited. But we'd appreciate you joining and checking it out. And hey, if you jump in and you leave it, there's a comment section. Like if you jump in live, say you heard us on the show. Yeah. We'll do something. We'll send you a shirt. We'll send you a pack. We'll do something, you know, to acknowledge that. Yes. Okay. Switching gears a little bit. Do you want to open any of these? Sure. I'll open one. Okay. How's it feeling? Okay. patch auto or something you know i mean that was i think the cleanest open of a oh wow i have ever had to be a pro uh that was like that was really clean um so just again reiterating we're opening tops chrome update and it's uh this is a mega box who was that um oh tyrese Halliburton? Yep. Yep. I wasn't even going to try. He's been hurt. It's going to be interesting how he comes back. He was a dog in the playoffs, single-handedly. And I think he's going to be back. Anybody else? No, that was a whole lot of absolutely nothing. I would guess five or ten bucks, that one. Um, so kind of switching gears a little bit, uh, today, since we are recording this on a Wednesday, it is the tops pristine baseball release day. Um, people, Oh, and an auto Kobe Sanders. I literally was going when you were like, oh, there's probably not an auto in here. I was going to place a bet with you. I was like, I bet you that there is an auto. I should have guessed. Kobe Sanders, the chromographs card auto. And I have to admit something. He's a rookie. I need to see where he played college. I don't know. Okay, let's see. Okay. I always think about, though, you know, people like us or whatever. These are pro athletes. Some people like. This is a crazy photo of this guy. Let me see. Yeah. So this is a Josh Giddy. And I mean, I don't think they could have chosen a worse photo for him. I'll put it up on the screen. You're always judging the photos. Yeah, but this one, that one's bad. I mean, as an aesthetics gal, that's Kyrie Irving. Base. It's always hard to tell. No, it's base. Oh, here's a refractor. Refractor who? Evan Mobley. Good player. Cavs? So you're not with the Cavs anymore? Cleveland Cavs, yes. Good player. Um, anyway, tops, pristine baseball. Uh, a little bit about this product is that it started in 2002, came back in 2022, and it's kind of supposed to be a more premium experience for a baseball collector. Um, and what kind of makes it that is on card autos, uh, which I think is kind of funny because, you know, we've talked with, uh, makes it special. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We talked to the Evan. We actually got him to sign the card. Yeah. Yeah. But I just think it's so interesting that that's now considered higher end. And I mean, obviously not now considered that, but like, that's what's making a set better is auto on card versus a sticker. And it just it kind of makes me sad that there aren't more on card autos and You know, I know brands like Onnit are staying true to that, as we heard at the National from Evan Parker himself. But I just I think that's a funny distinction between them and Topps. Yes. Those are moments in time. Jalen Brunson. Pretty cool. Oh, that's probably. That's a good timing for his. Yeah. I wish it was a refractor or something. I mean, this is bass. But I bet Sue, being the Knicks and him this year, it's got a little value to it. Probably got a little something. Ooh. Hey. Ron James on the X-Fractor. Hey, yeah. Okay. All right. Little LeBron-y. LeBron James, X-Factor. And Kessler, who actually just... The irony of that is he's going to the Lakers. He got signed to the Lakers. And it's in Utah. How do you know? And look. Oh. Bronny Jr. Oh. Wait, that's pretty good. Bronny James Jr. and LeBron in the same pack. They do that on purpose. I have to say... I really don't like the way the X-Factor looks. You don't like the checkerboard? I don't. I don't like it. I just like the X-Factor. The refractor. Yes, I like that. Also known as hollow. Yeah. Sorry. What maybe called it, but... Um, I just, I am not a fan and I don't know. I think there's cooler patterns. Yeah. And it's just not my favorite. Um, I like the super fracture one-on-one pattern. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. The patch auto pattern? Yeah, but pristine baseball. Nice. I did throw in on an EQL today. I didn't get it. Tops, I'm telling you. Like, I'm tired of throwing in these EQLs. I'm usually doing something else, so I just go ahead and see if I can get it. Steph Curry on a baseball. And then for the one millionth time, I got nothing on the QL for Pristine. I tried to get like a case of hobby boxes. And I can get it. But, you know, I was just, I like to try the UQL to see if it's actually equitable. Well. Did you get anything? No. Because, you know, I got all the good stuff. You always do. You always do. I mean, John Morant was cool. It's like, remember what it was? Yeah, I don't really think so. But I do have some tops series to this is a pack out of a hobby box and then top series to a hobby exclusive pack. Oh, so one which one would you like to open? Okay. That one. It's shinier. You're like Mr. Krabs. I don't know. Like the shiny thing. There you go. Okay. Top Series 2 baseball. It's all top trips today. Yeah. I like that Jalen Brunson, man. I'm such a junkie, man, for cards. I just get lost in the sauce staring at them. Hey, it's a good thing you own a card shop then. I know. And a card podcast. Yeah. The, but the on card thing, we've got it. I might get, we have to make some shirts. No on, no, no sticker autos. Yeah. And backwards is usually good. Director. Taylor Roshi. Pitcher. And nothing. Nothing. It's so funny. Baseball is the one that's like they've played 12 years where they're a rookie. This guy's a rookie. Taylor Oshie. He might be good. Ask him. Oh, that's good at the end. You can ask him. He's good. Okay. Let's see. All right. What did I get, Tops? You got the hobby exclusive. Are we doing this for fun or was this first with something specific? That was out of the hobby box that this came out of. Okay. And I thought it would be fun. It was fun. Shiny. I've actually never opened one of these, so. Mm-hmm. I know you're a pro with all your hobby bikes. And this makes me happy and sad. I'll just say this right now. I know everything's a story, but hey, I'm a podcaster. Grew up collecting. Probably the best, the first best card I got. 1986, 87. And he passed away last year. Oh, yeah. He's a cubby. One of the greats. Ryan Sandberg, spelled differently, but that's him. He is, he's a, I'm pretty sure he's in the Hall of Fame. And pretty all-star, amazing guy. But I had a, I've still got a baseball somewhere with his signature at the house. But anyway. That was so sentimental. I know. He is a good guy. I mean, he was not very old either when he passed away. Okay, Jason Wilson on the All-Star. Good player. Okay. Zack Nito. I was looking for Shohei, you know, just didn't get it. And then Chase DeLauder. Womp womp. I mean, he's okay, I think. But this wasn't... No Judge, no Shohei. Damn it. It's like we were chasing the one-on-ones or something. Exactly. Oh, okay. Well. That Ryan Sandberg's closing. Closing out here, you know, football, your favorite time of year. Yes, I'm so ready. It's starting. Oh, my God. Owning a car shop and then having to wait this long for football season to come back around. Probably makes it seem like it's 10 years longer. You know, like I'll actually come out of the dungeon because I'll be watching football. Yeah, so who are you selling before the season starts? And then who are you buying before the season starts? Caleb Wilson's, Caleb Wilson, Caleb Williams. Got Jacob Wilson staring at me. Caleb Williams, who I own quite a few of and bought actually five more this week. I'm buying up PSA. So I'll just say this PSA on PSA. Yep. That could be a thing. Uh, I'd be buying, at least in the short term, slabs. Nines and tens of, like, who you think is going to be hot. Because, again, if it's $7,500, you're not spending $85 on great. So, great cards are worth more right now. I mean, I think nines are going to be having a... That's why I'm buying nines. I wear surgeons. I do not buy all tens of Caleb's this week. That's a nice little round. I don't even want to know. Yeah, you don't. The... So I'm buying Caleb. He's lost like dude looks. I was like, I didn't know he was getting that. I mean, he's always, he's a thick guy. Like, not fat. But just like bigger, yeah, bigger built. And that's why I always thought he'd be a good pro because he moves around so well to be, you know, fairly thick and not just a, you know, total rail. Yeah. He's lost weight. He looks good. I think him and everybody on the team is locked in. Coach got him buying. Caleb Williams sort of unfortunate injury, something unexpected. I'm buying on him. I think he's going to prove. I think Jaden Daniels is going to have something to say. If he can stay healthy, if he can just not get banged up, Yeah. Then. Yeah. I didn't even know that was on there. Yeah. who put these on there? Was this like the recommendations? Yep. Like smart people? Yep. Okay. Ironically. How ironic is it? I did not look at this one. No, no, no. I know you did. I mean, Bella's pulling out the list that she had on screen. So I'm two for three for so far. Yeah, yeah. I'm selling Drake May. Oh, okay. Not because I don't believe in him, but because their schedule is ridiculous. Yeah. And I think they could be like three and three and people would be blaming it on... So I'm waiting and I want people to start selling him. I'm buying him game five, six. Okay. When they're two and three, maybe. But they still make the playoffs because they have the team to do it. And he's their coach. They also have the legacy. But I think they might go three and three to start and people are going to go, is he really? He was fool's gold. That's when I'm buying. Buy week four with Drake. This is not financial advice. Do not take any of this as financial advice. This is all personal opinion. Wait. Wait a few weeks on Drake. Buy Jaden and Caleb now because I think they're going to come out hot. Okay, what's your opinion? And speaking of that, we got a card. Oh, yeah, we do. Let me talk about it. I know every detail about it. All right. Because I bought it. This is a clearly downtown, pretty rare card, clearly downtown rookie for Jayden. And it's for sale here at Collector Station. It's online, thecollectorstation.com. If you're interested in it. But these are really rare. I don't know why, but the pop is just super low in general. I think it's, like, probably one of the most beautiful cards I've seen. If you get it in the light, we got it pretty tight enough in here because don't want anybody, like, scratching it. Like, I'm a 10-year-old or something. But, yeah, it is around 1,400. This is a cool card. Downtown. Classic. If you're going to have a Jaden Rookie, this is the one you want. Or something like that. A Downtown Jaden. Yep. But... I think this is 2,000, 2,500 by like week five or six if he does what I think he's going to do. Okay, we'll bring this back up and see how you did. Tambor is definitely buying. See that on there. Mendoza. Yeah, that's my question. I think it's kind of a toss-up of if you want to sell him before he can mess something up or if you want to buy him before he does really well. I'm waiting and seeing because I don't think he's going to – I think Cousins is going to start. Yeah. I think Cousins will start. They have him as of training camp as backup. Mendoza? Yeah. So it's like, what are you going to – I mean, he'll get to go in, like if they're either losing a lot or if Cousins stinks it up or if they're winning a lot. Like he's going to probably get some reps. But that thing might be for him to sit the first few games. So I don't know – that we're going to get answers. Maybe preseason, but preseason's like fool's gold. I mean, Carson Beck, who actually looked... Carson Beck looked really good. So did the guy from Georgia Tech, Hayden King. King. Both of those guys. I know it was backups. I don't overreact, but I'm overreacting. I haven't seen football in a while. They were throwing in some tight windows. I knew Beck... had a first-round talent, because all the guys were talking that two years ago. But he looked really poised, really comfortable. I don't care if it was the freaking Hall of Fame game. So we'll see with him. Beck, I would probably buy it because his cards are so low. Yeah. It's like, you can get him cheap. And if he doesn't play... They don't lose any value. Yeah. That's kind of the thing right now. That's kind of why Cam Ward, I feel like, I don't think, I think you could buy him cheap. And not get me wrong, I mean, his stuff isn't dirt cheap because he was viewed with Dart as a, you know, one, two, and sort of values with the quarterbacks after Tyler Shaw and Chuck or whatever the name is. Weirdest spelling of it all time. Yeah. But Cam will be interesting to watch, and I'd be buying him for sure. I feel like what's interesting about Carson Beck is that, you know, he went fifth round, correct? Yeah. Yeah. And we really haven't had... The value pick right there. Yeah, we really haven't had an all-star player that's gone that late in the draft that you could get into this early. Not one that was so perennial thought of as a, like, round one guy two years earlier. And just, you know, Georgia kind of fizzled. They didn't have quite the talent. He had some injuries, some things going on, I think. Then he transfers. Then he has a good year at Miami. He goes and wins the national title. Interesting. It'll be interesting. And then, Cade Klubnick with the Jets. Can he be... This was... Look, I'm a Clemson grad. Clemson guy. I knew you were going to go down this path. Anyone going, what the hell is he talking about now? You can't have... So after Clemson seasons and you put him on the jets, like, yeah, exactly. It's like a double whammy. It is. But he can't win the starting job over. I mean, you know, her new interception, um, you know who I'm talking about? Let's everybody figured out the, uh, let's just say he's got an Avenue. So we'll see. But, I own a lot of Cade, just for whether he does well or not. For your own personal collection. Yes. So my roommate's boyfriend is like a diehard Jets fan. And I tell her all the time, I'm like, girl, at least you know he's loyal. You know, like, at least you know he's loyal. And I think he... Geno Smith is the quarterback, and no personal offense to anything. We're all talking from a position. That's what's always funny with the breakers, like, busting on. I'm from Connecticut. I can talk all the shit I want about the Jets. I know. You can't. Oh, the Jets are the dumpster fire. Yeah. You can't outrun your realities and your history. We say these things because your record proves it. Yeah. They figure out a way to screw it up. So we'll see. But Geno Smith, if Cade can't replace him after like game three or four, then I don't know. Hey, you know, he might absolutely kill it. He was a fifth round, a fourth round, fifth round. I don't know. He was late, too. So what if him and Beck just had like a killer season? That'd be a great story. I think you'd be like kicking your little feet. Oh, I'd be so happy. I'd be so happy. And Cade's a great guy. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. You know, he didn't. No, he does seem like a sweetheart. We'll see. But so who am I selling now? Yep. Definitely. Let's see what's on your list. Shoulders Sanders? Maybe. Probably because they're too high. His problem is he's too high. Anthony Richardson. Yeah. That's on the list. Trevor Lawrence. Caution. What does this say? Production has plateaued. The market's playing or draft hype. Not results. Limited upside with a real leap. I will say some of his value is priced in, but he's got a way. If they go to the finals or start scratching the Super Bowl, and they've got the talent on the team, they surround it. That coach is not playing around. Yeah. They've had a turnaround the past couple years. I'll say this. Cade, I'm just sort of hoping, because he's a Clemson guy, a good kid, I'm not putting any money there. I'm going to hold Cade cards because he's a Clemson great and played at Clemson, put his heart and soul into it, regardless of how he plays in the pros. Trevor Lawrence, I can put in as another tier to go, like what my eyes told me last year and how good they hit their coaches and how they're, rounding into form. It doesn't guarantee it, but there's evidence and belief because I know what Trevor is. Like he's a, he's got the talent. He gets, he gets a little wash mentally sometimes. And I, but last year he brought it back together. Yeah. I think last year was the first year that I saw the Jags and was like, all right, Yeah, you you you have potential something there, but I think that's kind of where the caution of buying him comes in because it's still in that limbo of like. You know, he. This is his fifth year, right? Yeah. So, you know. But maybe he just needed a season to become seasoned, you know? He's now not a young guy. I don't know if the upside is the same as, like, some of these unproven guys because he's got some value already baked in. Yeah. So, like, he's taking a lot of dips and turns and all that. There's value already baked in. Like, Trevor's not going from zero to hero. He's going from mid to mid. Well, he might go to here. So it's like he might go if the car's worth a thousand, it might go to 1300. I don't know that it's doubling unless he's just on fire. But he has that ability. Like he has the sizzle ability. And I'm not I'm just saying he can throw he can put up five 300 yard games in a row and bring the sizzle. There's certain guys that are going to get value that can't do that. I feel like you're trying to, you know, with the immense Trevor Lawrence collection that you have. Oh, I could care. I just told you about way more invested in certain players that will never be good. No, no, no. I'm just messing with you. Mine's more that I believe that in him. Yeah. But I also think, and I'll tell you both ways. He also can get sideways mentally, like mistakes, like throwing interceptions. The guy came back and won the games and threw four interceptions in the first half like two years ago against the Chargers. I'm like, what made that happen? So he can go sideways as good as anybody. But I think that coach got a, in his year, that's just where I think the coach makes a difference with certain things, but. He's also got baby number two on the way, so he got a little extra pressure on him. And then, you know, Josh Allen's value's already there. That's what I'm like. You're playing, you're paying like for Super Bowl, like is he gonna become Super Bowl and become a Hall of Famer? So you're buying his. I hope he does. I like truly, he just, I want to like put him in my pocket. I don't, you know, there's just like some people you just want to put in your pocket because they just seem so like precious. He seems like one of them. He is. And I know probably every football fan is like, why would you say that? We're going to have my Josh Allen shoes up here. That's going to be on the table. I thought about that. like sit right there in the center. I didn't want to deal with the magnet to be 100% honest. We're going to talk about this beautiful artwork on our table. Oh, yes. That was before we leave. So if you are watching on YouTube, if you're not, you should go to YouTube so you can watch this. Should have been watching it all on YouTube. But we have the collector creative artwork in front of us. We got these at the National. So in front of me, I have Mr. Ken Griffey Jr. And then in front of Ryan, he has Michael Jordan. You have two guys you may have heard of. Yeah, I don't know. They're pretty cool, I guess. But these are their extra large size. So Zack Nygut, he is the one who makes them into the cards. And Murray Henderson is the one that actually does the art. They are probably some of the most amazing people that I met. And at least for me at the National, they were... some of my favorite memories, like talking with them, just their experience. Like they are just salt to the earth. We're actually going to be officially, unofficially carrying some of their products in store at the collector station. But I just, you know, we want to shout them out. Nobody buys them. I'll probably end up buying. Yeah. I mean, I always wanted to shout them out because they are truly, and maybe we'll have some content coming out that we shot a lot of. I don't know if it is, but like going into there, like all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, once we interview Eric. That's right. Yep. But truly wanted to just shout them out because they are awesome people. So go to The Collector Creative or Murray Henderson and go check them out if you like what you see. And they have a bunch of different. This was the Refractor one, I think. And Griffey Jr., my classic favorite card of all time, like his rookie from Upper Deck. And then a Jordan like collage montage, as I recall. And they're all like short prints. They make them once. They never make them again. They do commissioned work as well. Zach, if you're listening to this, we love you. Murray, if you're listening to this, we also love you as well. But yeah. Anything. Can't wait to do more partnering. They're doing awesome stuff. Yep. Anything else you want to share? Any final thoughts? You know, I think that's it. Let's get some football rolling. Yeah. Appreciate everybody for listening and like, subscribe, follow. Yep. Share, tell your friends. Tell your friends, leave some comments. Oh, actually, one final thing. Before yesterday, I was in the store and I was asking Cole if he needed anything before I left. And this dad was sitting at the bar, the pack bar, not an actual bar, pack bar. He's like, wait, Bella, like before you leave, like my my sons were watching your content at the National and they just really love you. And like, could could they get a picture with you? And his kids were like seven, maybe. I wanted to just simply pass away. It was the cutest thing I've ever experienced. And I was like, wait, I have fans. Oh yeah, you never know. But it was just so adorable. And then I walked into the shop this afternoon after doing some errands. And this guy was he that I heard him calling my name after he's like, Oh, I was just asking about you because I saw your content at the national and like, you know, you just appeared. And I was like, you know, my ears must have been ringing. But exactly. Anyway, that was my love that. Yeah. And look, I mean, that's what's cool. It's like we're actually approachable. Some people aren't. And I don't know, I'm not naming names or even suggesting that about someone specific, more that we're just here and wanting to share what we're doing behind the scenes and try to add value to your collecting. 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